broken arrow trip

[lionsbreath]

New to the group here! I was thinking of a run on broken arrow followed by a fall leave drive up 89a or ?????????? Drive will be on a Sunday in the middle of Oct. I will set a firm date when I get my work my work schedule. :wavey:

[BajaTaco]

Hello and welcome to the forum!

Broken Arrow is one of my favorites.

In Oct. I know that on the 8th some of us will be trying to see some of the Rally cars that will be competing in the Prescott Rally (http://www.prescottrally.com/) . And on the 22nd, some of us will be doing the 4th annual DeSoto mine trip, which is on the east flanks of the Bradshaw Mtns. south of Prescott, AZ. If you are interested in either of those, let me know. On the 15th, I will likely be on a trip with my wife. October gets booked up fast :D .

Good luck with your BA trip. Being in Oct, I bet there will be some people definitely up for that! It is a perfect time to go.

[Hltoppr]

I just got shot down by the wife on the idea of entering her Outback Sedan in the rally :(

The website doesn't have much info....where can we go to watch this thing?

And....

I'm always up for a little Broken Arrow run if I'm in town....

-H- :victory:

[Scott Brady]

Lionsbreath,

Welcome to the forum! Broken Arrow is beautiful trail.

We are going to try to find a way to watch the rally, I will keep you guys informed.

[datrupr]

Baja, funny you mentioned the Desoto mine trip, I was just thinking of doing a run up there in the near future. I love the Bradshaws and the Senator Highway and that whole area. Is there room for one or two more vehicles on this trip? ;)

Welcome also to Lionsbreath. Broken arrow sounds like a good time, but will not be able to make it that weekend. I am not sure if my rig will be ready for Broken Arrow that soon. Perhaps next time or another trail in the near future. :wavey:

[BajaTaco]

Baja, funny you mentioned the Desoto mine trip, I was just thinking of doing a run up there in the near future. I love the Bradshaws and the Senator Highway and that whole area. Is there room for one or two more vehicles on this trip? ;)

Welcome also to Lionsbreath. Broken arrow sounds like a good time, but will not be able to make it that weekend. I am not sure if my rig will be ready for Broken Arrow that soon. Perhaps next time or another trail in the near future. :wavey:

datrupr, the DeSoto Mine trip is being hosted by Mark (Crawler#976) and I think there are still probably 7 or 8 spots left open. This is the same trip that you expressed interest in at 4wdtrips.net. He also posted it at Yotatech (http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=66825). However, if you don't think the Trooper is ready for Broken Arrow, I wouldn't take it on the DeSoto trip. There is a potential for rocker panel damage during the first part of the trip. I'm not saying you can't do it, just saying the potential is there. (Lionsbreath, sorry to drift off topic).

Back on topic, I just ran Broken Arrow today. Totally impromptu! I was just passing by, and Uwe (whitethaiger) was riding with me - we were returning from the Keen canyoneering expedition... and I realized he had not been on that trail, so we did it. I noticed the front side of the "gatekeeper" obstacle has been filled in a bit, and so has the first big step to the first slick-rock area (bummer!) and also another optional line (big step) on trail right shortly after that. Still a gorgeous trail though.

[lionsbreath]

I will be narrowing down a time for the broken arrow trip here with in a week or so. Thanks for the threads. Sorry some of you will not be able to make it, but I am sure we will meet up on a trail sometime.

[Hltoppr]

Yeah Baja, over the past 15 years the tour companies have filled in a lot of the obstacles....why...dunno, but it's still fun; just allows less capable rigs in!

-H-

[BajaTaco]

Yeah Baja, over the past 15 years the tour companies have filled in a lot of the obstacles....why...dunno, but it's still fun; just allows less capable rigs in!

-H-

I know, but I meant these were the most filled in that I have seen these particular spots in the past 5 years. I surmise that the Jeep tours can't or don't want to take as much time to train their drivers, so made the trail more tame so they could just "point and go"? I dunno.

[Hltoppr]

Yeah....that's exactly what I was thinking....After a few brews and some Ed Abbey literature...maybe a "deconstruction" party?

-H-
:archaeolo :D

[BajaTaco]

Yeah....that's exactly what I was thinking....After a few brews and some Ed Abbey literature...maybe a "deconstruction" party?

-H-
:archaeolo :D


:jump: By full moonlight? :p

[datrupr]

BT,
Let me see what I can do with the Trooper by then. You suppose with some spotting damage could be minimized? I do also have those stupid step bars that might help protect the rocker panels. What do you think? :rolleyes:

[Hltoppr]

Take the side steps off before going.....or during, if that's your choice ;)

Otherwise you should be fine.

-H-

[BajaTaco]

BT,
Let me see what I can do with the Trooper by then. You suppose with some spotting damage could be minimized? I do also have those stupid step bars that might help protect the rocker panels. What do you think? :rolleyes:

The steps will probably get munched. Then again, I have seen those protect rocker panels too, sacrificing the steps for the rockers (be aware they will be bent though). It just depends on how sturdy the steps are and what the situation is. However, I am not leading the trip - Mark is, so it would be best to direct your inquiy to him. I would just send him a PM at 4wdtrips or ask on the trip thread. In the past he has usually pre-ran the rock section to be informed ahead of the trip as to what rigs will make it through. The creek bed has likely changed since the heavy rains we had this summer.

Hltoppr - have you been there since the rains?

[Hltoppr]

Haven't done the trail since this spring. Chicken Point to Llama and Bell Rock singletrack is pretty chewed up, so I can imagine it's a tad washed out in places.

-H-

[BajaTaco]

Haven't done the trail since this spring. Chicken Point to Llama and Bell Rock singletrack is pretty chewed up, so I can imagine it's a tad washed out in places.

-H-

Well, understandably, you are talking about Broken Arrow, but I think datrupr is talking about the DeSoto mine route in the Bradshaws. Or is he? I'm cornfused :p I think a separate thread for DeSoto is appropriate.

[datrupr]

BT, you are right, I am talking about DeSoto. Perhaps another thread would be appropriate. I will check with Mark on 4wdtrips. Thanks though. Also, the right step bar got bent upwards on Greasy Spoon through my eagerness to catch up, but the left is still in the stock position. They do greatly reduce my clearance, but I think they also help protect the rockers, they are pretty sturdy. I am just kinda thinking out loud. I do not care if they get a little bent, they will be replaced by sliders in the near future, just an excuse to get them sooner. :D

[ShottsCruisers]

datrupr, the DeSoto Mine trip is being hosted by Mark (Crawler#976) and I think there are still probably 7 or 8 spots left open. This is the same trip that you expressed interest in at 4wdtrips.net. He also posted it at Yotatech (http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=66825). However, if you don't think the Trooper is ready for Broken Arrow, I wouldn't take it on the DeSoto trip. There is a potential for rocker panel damage during the first part of the trip. I'm not saying you can't do it, just saying the potential is there. (Lionsbreath, sorry to drift off topic).

Back on topic, I just ran Broken Arrow today. Totally impromptu! I was just passing by, and Uwe (whitethaiger) was riding with me - we were returning from the Keen canyoneering expedition... and I realized he had not been on that trail, so we did it. I noticed the front side of the "gatekeeper" obstacle has been filled in a bit, and so has the first big step to the first slick-rock area (bummer!) and also another optional line (big step) on trail right shortly after that. Still a gorgeous trail though.

DESOTO....I WANT TO RUN THIS TRAIL (preferably with amigos :D )
Where can I view the details Baja? THANKS!
BTW: I was talking about your Saturday. We did Powerline and we had a Taco go through the "canyon". Here:
http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/gallery/836156

[BajaTaco]

BTW: I was talking about your Saturday. We did Powerline and we had a Taco go through the "canyon". Here:
http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/gallery/836156

Wow - GREAT pics! I LOVE that place. Looks like you guys hit alot of the fun spots! Brett is a great guy. I dig the new bumper. He was with us on the coke ovens run at AZROCKS - remember? If you want to razz him a bit, refer to him as "berm surfer" or "wrong way" :p he'll get a kick out of it.

[BajaTaco]

Since this is a single-day adventure, I moved it to this section, from the planned expeditions section.

[ShottsCruisers]

Wow - GREAT pics! I LOVE that place. Looks like you guys hit alot of the fun spots! Brett is a great guy. I dig the new bumper. He was with us on the coke ovens run at AZROCKS - remember? If you want to razz him a bit, refer to him as "berm surfer" or "wrong way" :p he'll get a kick out of it.

I remembered Brett. He didn't recognize me.....no 100. :D

[datrupr]

Gret pics John. Looks like a good time was had by all. :luxhello:

[lionsbreath]

Got my Days off for the month I want to head up the run on Sundy 10/16/05 Will narrow down a meeting time and location here with in the week!

[Brian McVickers]

Anyone know of a nice place to camp in the area of Broken Arrow?

I'm thinking of Camping out Saturday night and meeting up with the gang for the Broken Arrow trail ride Sunday Morning.

:elkgrin:

[Scott Brady]

I know Bajataco has a few nice places you could camp. I dont recall exactly where it was though.

Wish I could make the drive over. I am just swamped until after SEMA...

[ShottsCruisers]

Anyone know of a nice place to camp in the area of Broken Arrow?

I'm thinking of Camping out Saturday night and meeting up with the gang for the Broken Arrow trail ride Sunday Morning.

:elkgrin:

By Broken Arrow? Nope. It's in the middle of Sedona.
Nearby? Yes. Options:
1. About 2 miles south of the Village of Oad Creek you'll see a dirt road to the west that climbs the hillside. Fun road, nice open spot at the top. Pic below of a ridge climb on that road.
2. West of Sedona along the Pipeline Trail. Take US89A toward Prescott to FH525C north. Turn and go to the Pipeline Trail (see PNF Map). Follow this to a selected side trail (for privacy...Jeep Tours come out here) and drive a side trail to a spot. :luxhello:

[Brian McVickers]

Thanks for the info, Don't mean to hijack the thread.
Anyplace around there with water?

[ShottsCruisers]

Thanks for the info, Don't mean to hijack the thread.
Anyplace around there with water?

Oh yes...an amazing spot! Grab the Charles Wells book and hit the Oak Creek Homestead Trail. Nice trip in and out. The road is a bit easier now due to recent improvements. Here's a few shotts:

[BajaTaco]

Just an FYI - the pipeline (Greasy Spoon) trail is now "technically" within the Red Rock district, which means that "technically" a pass is required to park there and leave your vehicle, and no camping is permitted.

And the Oak Creek Homestead property is posted no camping allowed. (it is a gorgeous spot right on the creek though! Too bad it is restricted this way :( )

[ShottsCruisers]

Just an FYI - the pipeline (Greasy Spoon) trail is now "technically" within the Red Rock district, which means that "technically" a pass is required to park there and leave your vehicle, and no camping is permitted.

And the Oak Creek Homestead property is posted no camping allowed. (it is a gorgeous spot right on the creek though! Too bad it is restricted this way :( )

SINCE WHEN? Did they close the Homestead to camping when they activated it for Jeep Tours? ERRR.

As for Pipeline, I know the west end near 525C is the west boundary and I believe it varies in position. Ya, it be a good idea to get a free map from the PNF so you're safe.

[BajaTaco]

SINCE WHEN? Did they close the Homestead to camping when they activated it for Jeep Tours? ERRR.

I don't know when exactly, but it has been for a long time. I had also heard that there was consideration of closing the trail completely (my guess is that the homeowners near the trailhead were involved?) and I don't know if it is still open or not. I need to pay a visit.

[ShottsCruisers]

I don't know when exactly, but it has been for a long time. I had also heard that there was consideration of closing the trail completely (my guess is that the homeowners near the trailhead were involved?) and I don't know if it is still open or not. I need to pay a visit.

Heck with the homeowners. There's another way in there. A more scenic way from father down on US89A. ERR!

Well I guess then I'm really fortunate to being running Casner Mountain this weekend. Joe Chott (in our Club) has been trying for 10-years to get a permit. He got it and we're going. 10 rigs and 25 people max. Should be sweet. It goes between the 2 wilderness areas and tops out in the Coconino at 7000'. Should be an interesting run....the FS says:

“The Casner Mountain Trail #8 is extremely steep and rough. Attempting any portion of this route alone or by anyone who is not well versed in 4X4 mountain driving is not recommended. It is a long distance from help, should it be needed.”

I looked at the trail on TerraServer. It measure out steeper than Black Bear Pass in CO. :Wow1: It looks dangerous....I'm going to be losing my mind. Pray for me amigos.

[BajaTaco]

Heck with the homeowners. There's another way in there. A more scenic way from father down on US89A. ERR!

Well I guess then I'm really fortunate to being running Casner Mountain this weekend. Joe Chott (in our Club) has been trying for 10-years to get a permit. He got it and we're going. 10 rigs and 25 people max. Should be sweet. It goes between the 2 wilderness areas and tops out in the Coconino at 7000'. Should be an interesting run....the FS says:

“The Casner Mountain Trail #8 is extremely steep and rough. Attempting any portion of this route alone or by anyone who is not well versed in 4X4 mountain driving is not recommended. It is a long distance from help, should it be needed.”

I looked at the trail on TerraServer. It measure out steeper than Black Bear Pass in CO. :Wow1: It looks dangerous....I'm going to be losing my mind. Pray for me amigos.

WOW - COOL!!! Oh man, that sounds fun. We will pray for you.. LOL

[Scenic WonderRunner]

During my trip to Sedona and the Broken Arrow Trail in May 2005.....

I headed up Schnebly Hill for some views....and for a scenic way to get back up to the Mogollon rim and our camp site on Milk Ranch Point.

At the top of Schnebly Hill.....look for a two track on the right hand side as you crest up into the flat top area.....you can do dispersed camping up there and have some pretty nice views!....I bet the sunsets from up there are awesome!

I am also very frustrated how they are closing off most of the great dispersed camping areas......and it's almost impossible to get a reservation along the Oak Creek campsites.


LINK: Schnebly Hill Infohttp://www.desertusa.com/mag02/aug/sed1.html

[lionsbreath]

Got some way points for the meeting spot for the trip I was thinking about meeting around 9am 45 miles North of the 101 and I17 N34'19.542 by W112'07.142 Broken arrow is about 45min or so from there and we can say meet anyone else camping in the area at the parking ot of broken arrow at 10am so ok with everyone by the way at an advg. speed of 70mph around 45 min to get to that way point via the 17. If you don't have a GPS call me for more info and directions @ 602-647-1200 Hint we can gas up about 50 yard infrom the way point.
joe

[ShottsCruisers]

Got some way points for the meeting spot for the trip I was thinking about meeting around 9am 45 miles North of the 101 and I17 N34'19.542 by W112'07.142 Broken arrow is about 45min or so from there and we can say meet anyone else camping in the area at the parking ot of broken arrow at 10am so ok with everyone by the way at an advg. speed of 70mph around 45 min to get to that way point via the 17. If you don't have a GPS call me for more info and directions @ 602-647-1200 Hint we can gas up about 50 yard infrom the way point.
joe

Haven't looked at your waypoint, however, it's far longer to BA than 45-min from 45-miles N of the AZ101. BA is about 45-minutes from Camp Verde. :)

[lionsbreath]

I have us meeting at exit 262 Cordes Junc. I show the exit for broken arrow (hwy 179) as exit 298 would it be better if we all meet here at the North end of Phoenix an stayed together? Say meet somewhere around deer valley and 17 or something like that? How many do we have going?

[Brian McVickers]

Pencil me in.
It sounds like fun!
That weekends availability keeps changing for me.

[datrupr]

Joe, you convinced me, mark me down for this trip. I am not sure yet who in my brood is going to attend, but I will be there with my trusy Trooper. :luxhello:

[datrupr]

Joe, set up a meeting place for this trip, I know you had coordinates set for it but were thinking of changing them. Let us know where to meet and I will be there. How about at the Chevron at Carefree Highway and I-17? :confused:

[lionsbreath]

I think I17 and Carefree @ the Cheveron Station is a good idea. Say 8 am and We will leave @ 8:30 Sound good to everyone

[datrupr]

Sounds good to me Joe.. I will see you there and then. :jump:

[ShottsCruisers]

Before running Broken Arrow and Casner Powerline last Saturday I picked up a map showing camping areas.

I was correct (for once :D ), camping is allowed on on the Pipeline section of the Pipeline/Greasy Spoon Trail. Basically everything is open on the WEST side of Greasy Spoon (FH152A) and both sides of Pipeline (west of the FH152A jct).

This will be warmer camping than atop Schnebly Hill.

Broken Arrow has been made easier again. :mad: Very little challenge now. All the ledges have been filled in more. The Devil's Staircase did seem a little more cut up than normal though? Still though, a lot of fun and really scenic. An Arizona favorite!

[lionsbreath]

Just so everyone is on the same page we will be meeting at the cheveron station @ I17 & Carefree Hwy @ 8am and leaving at 8:30 We should be able to be at broken aroow by around 10:30-10:45 for anyon meeting us up there. I will run my CB on chan. #4 I look forward to a great trip and meeting everyone. Please make sure you have all the standard eq. for the trip.
Ie: recovery strap
tow points
first aid kit
water
Fire Extingisher
Broken Arrow is a fun trail to run and able to be done with a good clearance stock 4x4 and a great place to learn. No need for lockers, just pick good line and don't be afraid to ask for a sencond set of eyes if you feel the need.
We can vote where to go after Broken Arrow. Any question PLEASE CALL MY CELL 602-647-1200 I wil be working on Sat. and will be away from my computer. If you are running late call
Joe :elkgrin:

[datrupr]

Joe, sorry I missed this trip, I woke up Sunday morning with a flooded back yard and some sprinkler system work that needed tending to. Are you going to post a report soon? I would love to hear about it and see some pics so I can be jealous that I didn't make it. Next time though.

[lionsbreath]

Thats Ok the trip was fun and had three jeeps show up to ride with me I will post a full report in the next day or so.