Need advice & feedback: LC 100 1-3+ year expedition

[dhackney]

Due to a recent change from imminent sailboat circumnavigation to LC 100 overland exploration, I need to tap into the LC 100 and overland expedition communities' collective knowledge and experience. We are complete and total virgins in this area, so please be gentle.

Background:

We have traveled extensively in and outside the U.S. on- and off-road by motorcycle (http://www.hackneys.com/travel/).
Our standard load on the bike for unsupported (independent) travel is about 250 Liters / 8.9 cubic feet.
Our primary reason for moving from the bike to another mode of transportation is to have sleeping and food storage/preparation capability


Current Needs:
1) input and advice on configuring a LC 100 for extended world exploration
2) referrals and recommendations for qualifed outfitters to prepare same
3) input and recommendations on proven stock and aftermarket equipment for same

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Trip length: 1-3+ years
Destinations: Central America, South America, SE Asia, possibly return to Bhutan & northern India. For full list of destinations click the “Going There” menu option at www.hackneys.com/travel (http://www.hackneys.com/travel)
Timeline: Immediate, departure in mid to late May 2006 or as soon as we can take delivery of the vehicle
# of people: two
Pets: none
Travel mode: Independent exploration
Activities: Photography, hiking, interaction with local cultures, philanthropic programs (Giving Pictures – www.givingpictures.org (http://www.givingpictures.org/) , art/craft activities)

Mechaincal experience:
Wife: minimal, quick learner, capable of doing anything, learns best from demonstration/hands on instruction
Self: Maintained, built, re-built and deconstructed all of my own street and race vehicles and motorcycles until 1993. Experienced with down to the mains rebuilds from the 1950s-1970s era motors. Minimal manual transmission experience. Zero automatic transmission experience beyond changing fluids & filter. Minimal differential experience. No experience with modern EFI systems. Capable, quick learner, learn best from reference material and hands-on, self-guided experience. My attitude is I can fix anything if I have the manual, the tools and the parts or something I can make into a part. Fully equipped with all common non-factory-special tools, including pneumatic.



Vehicle requirements:


Left hand drive
Reliable
International service network
International parts availability
Modern design
Rugged
Serviceable
As comfortable as we can make it given these parameters

Fuel Type:

Would prefer the MPG, simplicity and water crossing ease of diesel but can live with the quiet operation and wider fuel availability in most areas of gas / petrol.

Transmission:

Can be manual or automatic. Simplicity and serviceability of manual is preferred.

Vehicle Capabilities:

Reasonable ground clearance & suspension capabilities; we will not be rock climbing but will be seeking adventure, experiences and opportunities down small tracks and in remote villages. We anticipate water crossings, mud, sand, silt and very rough roads, tracks and trails. We are assuming front & front quarter bar guards, rock sliders, EMU suspension, lockers and rear bumper/spares/etc/combination, etc. We would prefer to be limited by our fears and common sense rather than our vehicle.
Recoverability – we will be traveling alone, so require maximum self-recovery capability, i.e. winch(es), straps, pulleys, chains, sand anchors, sand ramps, etc.
Basic sleeping and cooking capabilities; we will use the vehicle as a stand-by/backup sleeping & cooking system rather than our primary. Plan to sleep / cook in vehicle 30-40% of the time. Prefer proven and watertight top rack tent system with lower veranda/annex. Side mounting tent with hanging extension would be ideal. Would prefer to maintain access to rear of truck while tent and extensions are erected. Need camp-stove level cooking capability, i.e. no gourmet capability required.
Side deploying awning, wind & weather safe
Range of 250+ miles. Prefer internal aux tank rather than multiple external jerry cans. Need secure external capacity for at least two NATO jerry cans.
Excellent, reliable lighting, i.e. fog lights, driving lights, etc.
Refrigeration. Proven, reliable and rugged 12VDC. Freezer capable of making ice is a requirement.
Fresh water for 4-6 days.
Food storage capacity for 4-6 days.
Accessory power: 12VDC, 120VAC & 240VAC (pure sine wave AC, regulated & filtered). Would prefer regulated solar cell charging capability for deep cycle aux battery.
Personal storage: clothing; toiletries; laptop computers (2); wireless network router; disk drive data storage array; camera gear; photo printer & consumables (ink & paper); art & craft supplies;
Storage organization - require slide out drawers, size matched containers, secure stacking containers, etc. Prefer metal pullout drawer system (Stow-More type) that can be locked to provide secure storage for electronics in case of casual/petty thief break-in.
Security – require passive and active security, i.e. hood locking, manual ignition cut-off, cable/chain loops for locking off to trees, etc. This vehicle will be left unattended in remote areas.
We would prefer to avoid pulling a trailer.

Storage volume requirements:

Clothing – 80 liters (L) / ~2.8 cubic feet (CF)
Shoes / jackets / etc. – 87 L / ~3 CF
Primary camera gear – 84 L / ~3 CF
Secondary camera gear – 45 L / ~1.6 CF
Photo printer – 4 L / ~.14 CF
Ink / paper – 80 L / ~2.8 CF
Data storage – ~30 L / ~1 CF
Maps / guides / etc. – ~40L / 1.41 CF
Art / craft supplies – ~80 L / ~2.8 CF

Additional required capabilities / equipment / storage / etc.:

Complete tube & tire repair & re-inflation capabilities.
Two spare wheels & tires
Hi-lift jack and corresponding jack points
Complete vehicle spares kit, special focus on market specific spares, i.e. parts normally sold in US only
Complete vehicle repair manuals & documentation
Complete vehicle troubleshooting and repair tools (I can provide standard tools, will need any special Toyota tools required)
Secure storage, i.e. integrated safe or hidden, lockable storage area
External radio/sat phone/aerial cable runs
12VDC power run to top mounted tent
Rear and side area lights
Driver and passenger controllable spotlights and/or very high power handheld spotlight
2 camp chairs
Misc. camp equipment

Electronics:

Garmin GPSmap 478 (12VDC power & external antenna required)
Iridium sat phone (external antenna & 12VDC power required)
2 laptops (12VDC & 120/240VAC power required) (can use either power source)
1 data storage array (120VAC power required)
1 wireless network bridge/router (120VAC power required)
1 Canon photo printer (12VDC or 120/240VAC power required)(can use either power source)
Various Canon battery chargers (require 120/240VAC for one, others can use 12VDC or 120/240VAC)
AA battery charger (120VAC power required)
ORBCOMM satellite tracking/communications system (12VDC power required)
Pure sine wave 12VDC/120VAC/240VAC inverter
120VAC/240VAC power regulator/surge filter
Solar cell voltage regulator

Other:

Training: Due to our lack of 4x4 experience, we will both require off-road driving, vehicle recovery, etc. training.
Delivery: We would prefer to take delivery of the vehicle in North America and depart from there for Central America via Mexico. We can accept delivery elsewhere if required.
Support: We prefer a vendor who can provide ongoing product support during the duration of our ownership experience.


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We welcome feedback on these vehicle requirements, etc.


Doug

[Scott Brady]

Doug,

First: Congratulations on the opportunity for further exploration. There certainly is a challenge and joy associated with building a vehicle, but the real reward comes from using it (as you no doubt know).

Vehicle Selection:

I like the choice of the UZJ100. Do you intend to purchase a new vehicle? The Tacoma is also an excellent choice, and provides similar reliability, though reduced durability. Fuel economy and storage also improves with the Tacoma.

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/sierra_madre/urique_2.jpg

Here is a trip report (http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/sierra_madre/index.html) of my recent expedition into the Sierra Madre of Mexico with a 1999 UZJ100 Land Cruiser.

My experience has been that the minimal modifications to the core vehicle should be performed for the sake of reliability. There are a few exceptions, which I will note. Avoid the factory supercharger, engine modifications, etc. Use factory belts, hoses and air filters.

Recommended core vehicle modifications:

Suspension:
Old Man Emu Suspension: Rear OME863 Coils which allow a load increase of 4-500 lbs over stock. Up-rated torsion bar to accommodate bumper and winch loads. Maintain a lift height of less than 1.5" to retain sufficient extension travel. I will contact ARB to determine if the LTR remote reservoir shock is available (it is not listed for the UZJ100).

Differentials:
ARB locking differentials for increased case strength and reduced chance of diff failure (a reported issue with the UZJ100). The locking differentials are an important safety feature in extreme terrain, and a compliment to the traction control.

Protection:
The front of the vehicle must be protected from animal strikes and a minor accident. The radiator should be well protected. The ARB bull bar is the best choice here.

Rear protection and tire swing-out is also critical. Great offerings are available from Slee, Kaymar and ARB. The final choice should be a personal preference, though the Slee unit does provide better angles of departure.

Unless you plan to traverse VERY challenging terrain, I would avoid rocker protection to save payload remainder.

Tires: Avoid the urge to install big tires. Re-gearing the UZJ100 is not a standard modification, and would be difficult to service outside of the US. In addition, large (and heavy) tires increase the chance of drivetrain failure, and reduce economy. I would recommend the 285/75 R16 or 255/85 R16 on plain steel wheels. Avoid the large diameter wheels, as spares would be near impossible to source in the South. Flashy wheels also attract unnecessary attention and "label you" in poor countries.

Ok, so this is a start :) We will work on comfort and convenience next, along with racks, tents and other required mods.

[articulate]

I hate to detract, but it's all in friendliness. This page at your site is fantastic:
http://www.hackneys.com/travel/index-lessons.htm

Carry on, carry on.

Mark

[calamaridog]

Doug,

Outfitter:

The best outfitter for your needs may be Christo Slee at www.sleeoffroad.com. He is an expert with the UZJ100 platform.

Vehicle specific forum:

Check the forum at ih8mud.com, which is a Land Cruiser site. We have an active UZJ100 series forum there and you may find some answers to any questions you may have.

Repair kit:

You need the FSM (factory service manual) and a OBDII scan tool for your repair "kit" for diagnostics purposes.

Wheels:

Unfortunetly, plain steel wheels are hard to source and were never available in the U.S. Stockton Wheel can make some custom ones for you at around $150 each if you really want steel.

Modifications:

I agree with Scott regarding the majority of his vehicle modification suggestions. I will say that I believe the OME shocks will not stand up to an extended, multiple year trip and I would bring extras...

I also feel you will want to run a second battery to power lights and a fridge. I suggest looking into the Powergate product to isolate the accessory battery from the starting system. www.perfectswitch.com

Vehicle:

If you are going to source a used vehicle, I would be happy to look at it with you or recommend a good (non-dealer) Toyota mechanic for a vehicle inspection. You can contact me at calamaridog@pirate4x4.com if you need any help with your preparations. I will help if I can or steer you in the right direction.

The US spec vehicles are all fully loaded (leather seats, power windows, etc.) and automatic transmission only. The 2006 model has the VVTI motor and variable height suspension (like the Lexus). You should stick with a 2005 or older vehicle. The VVTI motor will be hard to source parts for overseas.

Training:

Bill Burke is an expert 4wd instructor. In the very least, watch his videos. http://www.bb4wa.com/ Some of us locals could also arrange a local trip for you to familiarize yourself with some basic 4wd driving.


Good luck and let us know what you do!!!:bowdown:

[mountainpete]

Douglas,

Just a quick reply right now... Since your timelines are tight, have you thought about something other than a 100 series? Maybe this?

http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16284

Pete

[ChuckB]

So I guess you won't be needing it for frequent trips to the mall then? :D

Seriously though, any thoughts on the 98-99s vs. 2000+? I'm specifically referring to TRAC. What are your opinions on having it vs. being fully locked or both locked & TRAC'd. (Shotts, I think we already now where you stand :D )

[dhackney]

First off, thanks to everyone for the input, advice and support. Greatly appreciated. We've got a lot to learn and really appreciate the help.

I'll try to answer some of the specific questions.


Do you intend to purchase a new vehicle? The Tacoma is also an excellent choice, and provides similar reliability, though reduced durability. Fuel economy and storage also improves with the Tacoma.

1) We intend to purchase a used vehicle. As you've pointed out, we'll be pulling quite a bit of the suspension, bumpers, etc. off the vehicle immediately. We'll also be self-insured for property & casulty (unless we can find someone to cover the vehicle for that, please post or email if you know of an international carrier for theft, collision, fire, etc.). We are also assuming any factory Toyota warranty would only be valid for North America. Adding up all of those factors, plus the info about the VVTI motor noted in the thread (which we knew nothing about yet, we're raw newbies here, thanks!), and we think it makes more sense to buy used. Our goal is to find a lightly used LC coming off a lease driven by a surburban mom or an exec. We probably would not buy anything that had been modified or showed signs of off-road use. There's just no way to know what it had been through.

2) We have not considered Tacomas. I know nothing about them, or about service and support outside this country. It would give us the opportunity to stick a small camper in the back and gain a full time galley.

3) We have considered LR. We spent some time in and around LRs in Africa. We also have friends who own and have owned LRs here in the states. I'm leery of the reliability and durability of the modern LRs sold here. We're also headed to South America, and it is my understanding, again, very limited, that LR is less of a presence there than in Africa and Toyota is more common. I don't have much time to work with and had to make a call so I could limit my research and I chose the LC, rightly or wrongly. There is definately a huge industry in LR outfitting. Apparently less so for the LC.

4) Agreed on all the suggestions on minimal engine mods. I did all that stuff when I was younger and with the exception of adding a racing quality timing belt to a Fiat X1/9 cannot think of a single instance when I improved the overall reliability of anything I modified. Of course, that could have something to do with my subsequent repeated exploration of the red-line-regions as well...

5) All the suggestions on suspension & ride height are in line with our thinking and what we've learned so far. We have no need or desire for big diameter wheels, etc.

6) I am glad to fill the gap with some input on tire size. We wanted to get some recommendations on tires that we could have a hope of replacing outside of this country if required, i.e. multiple punctures, sidewall destruction, etc.

7) Agreed on the second battery. Electrical power is a big issue for me, so I'll be putting special focus into that area. I hope I can bring something to the party there from the last 1.5 years of sailboat research and development. 12VDC power is a critical and carefully managed resource on ocean going sailboats.

8) I took a quick look at Bill's web site for training. Our immediate challenge is that we won't have a vehicle to use and will need a training scenario where they can provide the vehicle and recovery gear.

9) Everyone keeps repeating the Slee mantra, so we're headed in that direction for outfitting services. No response from them yet to my email message.

10) Calamaridog, thanks for the offer on vehicle inspection. We will take you up on that if we can find something locally. We're going to start up here in North County and expand from there. I'll email you if we find something.

Thanks everyone for the input. Please keep it coming. As you can tell, we are starting from near ground zero.

[Scott Brady]

With the vehicles foundation complete, you should concentrate on the living space, sleeping space and organization. This will absolutely make or break the vehicle as a whole. All of the fancy off-road mods are forgot about once you cross the border and start living out of the vehicle.

So, from front to back:

Front Bumper:

Two driving lights, two fog lights (understated is preferred, and does not restrict radiator flow or invite thieves.)
Air chuck: compressed air run to front bumper
Remote winch control

Engine Compartment:
All stock, and a HD battery with separator. Some use an isolator, or complicated controller. I prefer a Surepower solenoid. Very robust (200 amps) and simple.
ARB locker solenoid manifold (Slee sells a great unit)
Compressor

Driver and passenger compartment:
Organization here is critical, and nothing should be distracting. A place for easy access to cameras, but not in plain view. GPS unit (The 478 is a great unit w/sat weather, so is the 376c). lots of 12v plugs and a 110 outlet for computer use and battery charging. The UZJ100 has great seats already.

Rear passenger compartment: Remove seats and install 20+ gallon water tank. Down low and towards the midline. Install water pump to provide water to shower and rear faucet. Second level will be compartments for quick access to maps, computers, survival sacks, recovery gear and first aid equipment. All in compartments and safely secured. Still below rear view mirror level for visibility.

Rear storage compartment: Remove third row seating and all associated brackets. Two drawer system for kitchen and dry food storage. Slide for 45l fridge.
http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/images/african_outback/100_drawers_250.jpg
Area next to fridge will be used for clothing storage. The 100 has a lift gate and tailgate, which will be used for food preparation. Incorporate an awning attachment point. There should also be a rear faucet and outlets for the shower and water heater.

Wagons are most useful at the rear compartment, so all critical activities (cooking, planning, etc.) should be easily done there.

Roof tent and awning: No roof rack, just a roof tent and awning mounted. I would recommend either the Eezi-Awn 1600 or the Autohome Maggiolina Extreme. Adventure Trailers sells a killer awning, and they are working on a great tent, but it will not be available by your departure date.

Fuel: Long Ranger Aux. fuel tank (40+ gallons)

We can work on the details of above as we progress.

[60seriesguy]

I hate to be the dissenting voice so far, but I don't think a US-spec UZJ100 is a good option for the length of trip you're describing and the regions you plan to visit.

My biggest concern would be the drivetrain, specifically the big V8 motor. It's complex electronic controls, relative scarcity in most countries (the 100 series was sold in most of these countries with either the 4.5 inline six or a diesel powerplant) and need to run on premium unleaded fuel has the potential to cause you problems throughout the trip, and the type of mechanic you're likely to encounter outside the big cities won't be very familiar with it.

The IFS is not that big of a concern to to me unless you plan to be very heavily loaded.

Here's a thought. If you're not planning on keeping the truck forever, why not purchase a lightly used 80 or 100 series (or 79 trooopie, although that will need a LOT more modification/prep) DIESEL Land Cruiser in Panama, have it shipped via container to Long Beach or Houston, apply for a temporary importation (I have all the paperwork, easy as pie), then have it outfitted in the US by a reputable shop, take delivery of it, then maybe hit a couple of short trips in the southwestern US to fine-tune everything and get a feel for the rig?

I've done a lot of traveling throughout South America and I just can't see a US-spec 100 series taking the rigors of such a journey, running on 82-octane gas and sketchy motor/gear oils, with all those sensors/modules vibrating and possibly shorting or failing and leaving you stranded, 5,000 miles from the nearest diagnostics machine.

One suggestion, regardless of the rig you choose, is to make friends with the parts manager, open an account with them, and supply them with key addresses throughout the journey, in case you needs parts FEDEX'd to you in an emergency. Carry not only the FSMs for the truck, but also the parts fiches, it's possible that Toyota dealers along the way won't have the specific fiche for a NA-spec vehicle.

[gjackson]

I agree with 60seriesguy on the truck, though I do have little experience with the 100 series.

Couple of other suggestions: most overlanding is not extreme off-roading, so I would avoid lockers unless you are very comfortable with them and know you will be going places where you will need them. Travelling on your own it is better to have a sense of fear and avoid getting stuck than relying on something and then getting really, really stuck. If you are comfortable with them and accept the cost, then, by all means, add them in!

If you have not already checked it out, see:
http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200
for some excellent discussion on what modifications people value the most.

cheers

[Scott Brady]

I do not have any major concerns with the 100 series, though Henry's idea of sourcing a diesel is compelling.

I have travelled tens of thousands of miles with a 100 series (Doron's 99) without even a single issue. I would not think a near new 100 series would be any more problematic than an 80 series with 80,000 miles on the ODO, yet the 100 is slightly larger and more friendly on the highway.

I also believe that locking differentials are a valuable tool in recovery and safety, and the ARB units strengthen the case, reducing the chance of failure. I only needed to use a diff. lock once in Mexico, and without it, would have meant a much more dangerous situation, or retracing our path for nearly 100 miles. (it was a road washout, heavy cross-axle with no winch points). It does not appear that Doug is as concerned with cost, as performance and reliability.

It does not appear that Doug wants to seek out the most technical terrain, and they will be traveling alone too. That would lead my decision to the newest vehicle possible, with the most storage/payload and best overall road performance and safety.

[upcruiser]

Wow, this is going to be an interesting thread to watch grow. With the timeline of late May for departure, I'd be very nervous of having everything sorted. I mean, not only are you going to be modding this new truck, but you will also be getting familiar with it yourself, and learning off highway driving skills with it. Typically, at least in my experiences, after doing vehicle modifications, I end up fiddling around a week or so afterwards, adjusting and trying to optimize things. Seems like an awful lot of stuff to try and do in such a short period. I would just say, don't rush the vehicle testing, and don't skimp on some of the safety aspects. Good luck and I will be reading this eagerly.

[Scott Brady]

2) We have not considered Tacomas. I know nothing about them, or about service and support outside this country. It would give us the opportunity to stick a small camper in the back and gain a full time galley.



I think it is worth spending a few moments on the Tacoma, to review all of the options.

The best asset of the Tacoma is the ability to install a camper. The 2005 and newer Tacoma is available in a double cab, long bed configuration, which allows for excellent storage volume. The interior is also larger, and the seats improved. A rear locking differential can be purchased as a factory option, and you even have the choice to shift your own gears with a 6-speed manual.

You could purchase a double cab, long-bed TRD and install a coil-over lift in the front and an 11-12 leaf custom Deaver pack in the rear. This would support a Fourwheel Pop-up camper.

Key Benefits:
Light Weight - Weighs only 690 Lbs.
Sleeps 3 adults comfortably using a queen size slide out bed and a single bed.
6 Ft headroom when popped up.
Low Profile - Thickness of the cab-over is only 8 inches in the down position.
Heater
Galley
Weather-pack option

http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/images/eagletitle.jpg

This shows a similar configuration, though with a Nissan
http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/images/nissan3.jpg

These units have been used around the world (literaly) by the Turtle Expedition.

[pskhaat]

Allow me to chime in if I may?

I do think the LC100 is an excellent choice for a vehicle for this. I also think an 80 series is too, but I'll try and focus. I do have some reservations on some things about the 100, mainly the starter. The starter itself is located underneath the intake manifold on the V8. I would consider having the starter cleaned and internals (like contacts) checked and replaced if necessary.

For suspension: I would personally recommend against the OME865s and move to OME863s or better yet OME864s which have a higher load capacity, which I do believe you'll need and appreciate with your provision list. Obviously the front suspension too has the OME torsion bars which I would do immediately.

The newer year US-spec LC100s have 17" or 18" wheel options leaving you obviously with a limited tire choice. If you purchase an LC100 with some of these wheels, I will buy these wheels from you, I have 16" LC100 wheels that I would love to trade you for your trip. For tires, I second the 255/85r16s. I would say 235/85s but the LC wheel is 8" wide! Steel wheels that are the proper width AND the correct backspacing are very hard to come by and you may have to go custom made if you decide to go that route as I don't know anyone in the states that sells factory steel LC100 rims. Most aftermarket wheels will center too far inward.

Automatic transmissions are like bad politicians: you can generally not rely on them and they have personalities to match. However, it'll be next to impossible to reasonably get a manual tranny in a 100 series. (You can do it in an early 80 series). Luckily, most people have had very good success with the trannies in the LCs. I hate autos because you can't roll start them!

I've known Christo Slee for about 7 years now and though you'll pay more with him you will get service accordingly (read good & more), even I'm sure their help over the phone where need be; I've never had an issue with any product or service he or his shop has proviced. This said there also are other vendors on this board who are excellent parts resources who no doubt should chime-in in part.

[Mike S]

I cannot add anything about the 100 series TLCs, but I beileve that American Toyota in Alb, NM can provide OEM steel wheels at reasonable prices. The Toyo M55 tires in tall and skinny sizes should be excellent for the trip. They are 10 ply commercial tires, with a killer reputation for durability.

As for the roof tent, a fabric tent is not the best choice. I would definitely go with a hardtop roof tent. It is more secure, more durable, more waterproof, more comfortable, warmer, and easily vented. Some models have electric lights and can be fitted with Hella turbofans, heaters, radios, and 12V outlets for charging phones, etc. Check www.sandcruiser.com for Steve and BB's experience in Mexico and Central America. Add a LARGE attached fly like the MSR Expedition wing to provide shade and shelter. It is a quality piece of gear. If you have room, you should also explore the possibility of taking along a small teepee for showers, changing, toilet use, a smalll roll up aluminum table and two comfortable and durable folding chairs..

Get a Petromax lantern - it will burn gas, unleaded gas, white gas, deisel, kerosene, and is high output. It is solid brass and corrosion proof. They have an optional reflector which is worthwhile.Spare parts are available and recommended for a long trip.

I use and recommend the Camp Chef River Runner aluminum and stainless
propane stove and 2 (two) 11 lb bottles of propane. easy to fll store, etc. and the two units provide a back-up capacity.

I would also recommend dual deep draw batteries in the vehicle and either propane or electric 12V fridge. These will make ice.

Agree with the idea that you will need a drawer storage system to organize and keep all the bits and pieces,. and for secure storage of electronics, etc.

Sat phone is a very good idea. Most also offer a datalink service - slow but better than a note in a bottle. I use a Qualcom sat phone and the services of a provider that subcontracts connections from Inmarsat.

:clapsmile

[pskhaat]

I beileve that American Toyota in Alb, NM can provide OEM steel wheels at reasonable prices.

I have tried obtaining these wheels from this source a while back but this source was unable to get them at that time. Do you know if that's changed? :) I would be very keen on getting some.

[Mike S]

I have tried obtaining these wheels from this source a while back but this source was unable to get them at that time. Do you know if that's changed? :) I would be very keen on getting some.

Dan quoted me a price of $118 each for a set a few weeks ago. I believe he orders them from the Toyota Parts Depot. I'd like to have 8 of them, but other priorities come first.

M

[dhackney]

Thanks to everyone for your input. Greatly appreciated. We continue to climb the learning curve.


With the timeline of late May for departure, I'd be very nervous of having everything sorted. I mean, not only are you going to be modding this new truck, but you will also be getting familiar with it yourself, and learning off highway driving skills with it. Typically, at least in my experiences, after doing vehicle modifications, I end up fiddling around a week or so afterwards, adjusting and trying to optimize things. Seems like an awful lot of stuff to try and do in such a short period. I would just say, don't rush the vehicle testing, and don't skimp on some of the safety aspects.

I agree with your assessment of the timeline and the priorities on getting ourselves educated, ourselves sorted, the rig sorted and the systems sorted prior to blissful departure over distant horizons.

This rush to judgement is an unusual approach for me. My normal approach is to research it to death and be on solid ground before making any decisions. See http://www.hackneys.com/sail/index-sail-boat-shortlist.htm , http://www.hackneys.com/sail/index-sail-TCO-shortlist-comp.htm and http://www.hackneys.com/IP/IPsurveyresults.htm for examples of my typical approach.

Nonetheless, we've set up or lives, finances, real estate, etc. for a departure in this time frame, so we'll keep moving as quickly as we can in that direction.

We're developing a rough plan as we do research in parallel.

We currently see our transportation platform options as:
- our existing bike (upsides: well known and proven; downsides: nightly hotel, all meals in restaurants, picnics, etc.)
- our existing truck (2003 GMC Denali) with a lightweight camper (upsides: own it, know it, extremely maneuverable for its size - Quadrasteer; downsides: way too complex to get service and parts outside the U.S.)
- LC 80 with a tent on top (upsides: very rugged, simple and proven platform, worldwide parts & servcie; downsides: less ride comfort, handling capability & power than the 100)
- LC 100 with a tent on top (upsides: nice ride and amenities, new platform, more power than the 80; downsides: US specific IFS & gas V8, less parts & service capability outside US compared to the 80, IFS may not be as rugged long term nor as 3rd world serviceable as the 80 straight front axle)
- LC 80 or 100 with a trailer (upsides: quick galley & bed, ability to set up base camp and roam/explore with the LC; downsides: we've been on a lot of 3rd world mountain roads and wouldn't want to be up there crossing a pass with a trailer and have to back up)
http://www.hackneys.com/photos/tata3crop.jpg
- VW Westphalia (upsides: older versions known, proven, worldwide parts & service, galley, bed; downsides: dangerously underpowered, 2WD limited, primitive suspension)
- Full size 4WD US chassis van camper conversion (upsides: go anywhere capability, galley, bed, possible wet head/shower; downsides: US chassis may have limited/no parts & service, size, maneuverability)
- EarthRoamer (upsides: engineered & equipped with blue-water-marine grade systems, go anywhere that is not precluded by weight & size chassis capability, galley, bed, wet head/shower; downsides: cost (would need to have insurance on this valuable of an asset), build backlog 12/1 delivery, weight & size limit accessability, "rich, pampered Americans" syndrome inducing, outside US parts & service of Ford 550 chassis & EarthRoamer systems, small company viability/longevity risks, would need to carry the GS on the back to explore the places the EarthRoamer couldn't get to due to size & weight)

We could conceivably add Innovation Campers and Langer & Bock to the list with a modified LC chassis & custom camper. My wife speaks German and we have family & friends there.

We'll probably rent an LC with a top tent somewhere on the planet for a few weeks to check out that platform as a baseline.

I spoke with Christo Slee and he makes a compelling case for the 80 for an overseas expedition.

We are currently pondering our choices and reading as many forum threads as we can as quickly as we can to bone up on the LC 80/100 option.

Prerequisites before we depart:
- wilderness medical training
- off road driving training
- vehicle recovery training
- thoroughly test vehicle and systems

We're going to spend a month or two in language immersion so if we go with a straight LC top tent rig we can get that built while we're doing the language school.

Or we can start on the bike while we wait for something. We know that system very well and feel comfortable on it anywhere in the world. We're tying to stay flexible and let this evolve without making decisions any more rushed than we absolutely have to.

Thanks again for the input and feedback. We continue to learn from every post.

Doug

[asteffes]

Have you looked into SportsMobile?

http://www.sportsmobile.com/4_4x4sports.html

[Scott Brady]

Sportsmobile:
I agree with Adam. Now that you are entertaining larger vehicles, the Sportsmobile would be at the top of my list. I know Alan Feld (President) personally and would not hesitate to use their products for this type of adventure.

FZJ80:
They can be pretty comfortable too: DesertDude on this forum just completed a build http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148
I have traveled many thousands of miles with the 80 series trucks, and have never been disappointed. This vehicle will have the greatest durability available, and the greatest capability. They are also quite common in Latin America, and you would blend in much more. The biggest challenge is the vintage. These trucks are getting old, with the newest being nearly 10 years old.

[Scott Brady]

Since you are considering other vehicle options, it might be worth taking a step back and studying the requirements for an expedition platform:

These are in order of importance.

RELIABILITY:
The ability of a vehicle to perform over long distances and after years of service in rugged terrain without engine, electrical and support system failure due to component malfunction.

CAPACITY:
Payload as a % of GVWR. Ability to carry required equipment, fuel and water.

DURABILITY:
The ability of the vehicle to travel rugged terrain, fully loaded without chassis or drivetrain failure with years of continual use.

CAPABILITY:
The ability of the vehicle to traverse rocky, muddy, crossed axle terrain including deep water crossings, severe side slopes, hill climbs and descents.

Other factors of influence:

EFFICIENCY:
Fuel efficiency as it relates to payload, which provides the greatest opportunity for range.

The above criteria is why I most commonly recommend an 80 series or a Tacoma. The 100 series also falls into this category, but represents less of a value (if that is a factor)

[calamaridog]

The UZJ100 is a great platform. These are reliable vehicles which begin to show the need for maintenance and begin to display occasional electrical component failures after 80,000 mi or 5 years. This is just the nature of modern vehicle electronics. What I have found is modern vehicles are not as intimidating as people claim. I know of very few failures of components before these approximations based upon feedback from participants on the 100 series forum. Many people have few problems with high mileage vehicles.

My 2000 has had fluid changes, new tires, an oxygen sensor, and a new starter (when the contacts started going bad). I have 90,000 mi. Yes, the starter is a PIA, but when the contacts start going bad you have months notice before it quits.

The 2UZFE 4.7 V8 is used in overseas markets as well as the 4.5 I6 and the 4.2? turbo diesel, so parts ARE available. Probably not as readily available as the 4.5 I6. You can also source parts from the U.S. and get them within a week or so in any population center in the world (for the right price).

With a few thousand dollars worth of spare parts, the FSM, a handheld code reader, and the right tools, you will be good to go anywhere in the world with confidence! (I hope)

It would be insane to consider a high mileage FZJ80 over a low mileage UZJ100. Vehicle age should scare the world traveler! And since when did the FZJ80 vehicle become LESS complex than the newer UZJ100? The FZJ80 is a modern vehicle, with modern (older) electrical components. How is this any less complex?

The 4.7 V8 has proven to be one of the most reliable motors produced by Toyota in recent years. People will try and scare you because it has a timing belt instead of a timing chain. Is this perfect? No, but once again, show me a failure of the timing belt?

A LOW mileage Land Cruiser, (newer vehicle) should be considered if you go with an SUV. I would be looking for something between 03-05 depending on the budget. None of these vehicles will have ever seen dirt so that is not a problem.

Your timeframe of trying to leave in the next month is problematic:p

I can take you 4 wheeling locally anytime the week of May 8-12 and you can drive my LC it you'd like, assuming you are still around.

You can buy a truck locally and source your parts from online vendors. Then you can have one of the GOOD local Toyota shops build your truck for you. Protrux in San Marcos would be a good source or The Truck Shop in San Diego. They are both competant "dealer alternative" Toyota shops who also build race trucks and do custom fabrication.

Just throwing some different ideas around. Good luck!

[calamaridog]

A new Tacoma might also be worth considering...

I believe they share drivetrain components with other vehicles found in South America and Australia, although they are not as "heavy duty" as you may need.

[dhackney]

Thank you all for the ideas and input. Greatly appreciated, especially the "reality checks" on requirements, 80 vs. 100, etc.

RE: Sportsmobile
Yes, we have looked at them. We have friends who own one and are very happy with it. That's the option I was referring to with the "Full Size US Van chassis," but I didn't make it brand/builder specific.


Since you are considering other vehicle options, it might be worth taking a step back and studying the requirements for an expedition platform:
RELIABILITY:
CAPACITY:
DURABILITY:
CAPABILITY:
EFFICIENCY:


Scott, these are excellent criteria. For our purposes and intended destinations, I'd add:
SERVICE-ABILITY: A vehicle that has common parts available worldwide and is familiar to every shade tree mechanic within 1,000 miles has a huge advantage. It sounds easy to "ship in a part" from our perspective of everyday life in the U.S. watching UPS and FedEx ads with guys in brown shirts and RWB trucks pulling up to the Great Wall of China and Bedouin Tents. In reality, it is extremely challenging to ship in items overseas to remote areas, to say nothing of clearing customs, etc. We speak from experience on this one.

SHIP-ABILITY: a vehicle that requires Roll-On/Roll-Off shipping due to height will limit us when it comes time to jump from continent to continent. Even an 80/100 with a short lift and a top tent could be too tall for a regular shipping container (7' 10" / 2.388 m Standard; 8' 10" / 2.692 m HiCube). We're used to putting our bike on a plane, so this is a big criteria for us.

SIZE & WEIGHT: an 80/100 is a pretty HUGE vehicle overseas. This is another area where living here distorts our perceptions. Taxes, fuel prices, lack of space and lack of available capital, among other factors, limit vehicle size in developing countries where we prefer to travel. The transportation infrastructure is sized accordingly. Outside the US, a full size, short wheelbase, US van chassis is about the equivelant of the largest UPS / FedEx delivery truck you've ever seen. A "normal" US vehicle can be limited on where it can go outside this country. And that is before you head down that inviting two-track into the mountains.

IMPACT: A scruffy 80 with some dented Jerry cans strapped on the back wouldn't raise an eyebrow here, other than with the people offended because it was dropping dried mud on the parking lot. Any moving vehicle that shows signs of being from Somewhere Else is a human magnet anywhere in the developing world. Take a new 100 with lights, full front and back protective bars, winch, top tent, awning, etc. and drive it into a village and you might was well pull up with a carnival ride in full motion. To say nothing of the County Fair of a Sportsmobile or the Word's Fair of an EarthRoamer. This factor impacts both your interaction with the local people, something we prize, and your security profile. We've found security to be low to no concern in the developing world if you use common sense, but a big, flashy vehicle is a siren song for those so inclined. It might as well have scolling LED signs down each side reading "RICH AMERICANS, GOODIES INSIDE."

http://www.hackneys.com/travel/India/india-photos/Sikkim_Album/images/image024.jpg

http://www.hackneys.com/travel/India/india-photos/Sikkim_Album/images/image026.jpg
This is an example of what happens when you pull up on a bike. Imagine this scene with an EarthRoamer.

http://www.hackneys.com/travel/India/india-photos/Sikkim_Album/images/image040.jpg
Could you get it through the entrance of the monastery?

http://www.hackneys.com/travel/Bhutan/bhutan-photos/Bhutan_Album/images/image087.jpg

http://www.hackneys.com/travel/India/india-photos/Sikkim_Album/images/image060.jpg

http://www.hackneys.com/travel/India/india-photos/Sikkim_Album/images/image029.jpg

We don't want to lose the opportunity to meet and interact with kids like these and their parents.

[Scott Brady]

Doug, these are fantastic images.

I certainly appears to me that your passions for travel and interaction with local peoples are complicating the decision process.

I have often thought of how it would be to travel somewhat under the radar. For example, a basic Toyota pick-up is prolific in Latin America. I have considered the idea of taking a basic, white 4wd Toyota 4cyl (like a 1984-85) and putting a shell on the back, leaving the paint fading and unassuming, then completely rebuilding the drivetrain to better than new. That vehicle would accomplish all of the above goals without question...

[calamaridog]

I have considered the idea of taking a basic, white 4wd Toyota 4cyl (like a 1984-85) and putting a shell on the back, leaving the paint fading and unassuming, then completely rebuilding the drivetrain to better than new. That vehicle would accomplish all of the above goals without question...


This concept is brilliant actually. The key is to have a "like new" drivetrain.

[pskhaat]

And these aren't the split rims, and 100 series????? What were the specs? Are these the factory 7" wide 16" stell solid wheels? I may need to give Dan another call.


Dan quoted me a price of $118 each for a set a few weeks ago. I believe he orders them from the Toyota Parts Depot. I'd like to have 8 of them, but other priorities come first.

[pskhaat]

Calamaridog, I must respectfully disagree with the vehicle age thing. I think older vehicles (like the `beloved' 91-92 FJ80, or any 60 series) have generally seen all the gremlins and have been fixed and have many 100s of thousands of reliable trouble-free miles left in them.

I have never truly overlanded (by sea yes) for these kind of miles & countries, but theoretically I'd trust an older vehicle with spares on the consumables significantly more than even a 2-3 year old. Plus (as earlier stated) the blend-in-more factor is more on your side.

[calamaridog]

Calamaridog, I must respectfully disagree with the vehicle age thing. I think older vehicles (like the `beloved' 91-92 FJ80, or any 60 series) have generally seen all the gremlins and have been fixed and have many 100s of thousands of reliable trouble-free miles left in them.

I have never truly overlanded (by sea yes) for these kind of miles & countries, but theoretically I'd trust an older vehicle with spares on the consumables significantly more than even a 2-3 year old. Plus (as earlier stated) the blend-in-more factor is more on your side.



I respect the opinions of the more seasoned members of the forum and world travelers, however, there are electrical components on all newer vehicles that will disable the vehicle if they are not working properly. While the new vehicles are certainly more complex, the difference between a 97 FZJ80 and a 98 UZJ100 are nominal in this respect.

This guy in particular is looking to outfit a vehicle and leave VERY soon. If you had a year, you could build an ubber reliable Toyota based on 1985 technology that would travel the world without problems and without drawing attention from anyone.

If I had to travel the world in a few weeks, I'd buy an almost new Land Cruiser with less than 20,000 miles on it, buy a ton of spares, and go for it with the available off-the-shelf OME and ARB goodies equipped for my driving comfort and safety.

[bigreen505]

This guy in particular is looking to outfit a vehicle and leave VERY soon. If you had a year, you could build an ubber reliable Toyota based on 1985 technology that would travel the world without problems and without drawing attention from anyone.

If I had to travel the world in a few weeks, I'd buy an almost new Land Cruiser with less than 20,000 miles on it, buy a ton of spares, and go for it with the available off-the-shelf OME and ARB goodies equipped for my driving comfort and safety.

I have to agree with Calamaridog here. A vehicle that has a few miles on it probably has most of the surprises worked out. An older vehicle could be cleaned up into an ideal expedition vehicle, but on short notice I think you need to play the odds. The reality here is that if you buy a newer low-mileage LC, you are taking a used (albeit newish) vehicle into areas where spare parts may be hard to find, but it is unlikely you will need them. If you buy a FJZ80, you are taking a chance on the previous owners ability to properly maintain the truck and their honesty. While spares will be more readily available, you will not have enough time with the vehicle to truly get a handle on its condition. What has been replaced, what is behaving today but is problematic most days, has the heater hose been replaced, etc. I also think the ability to get a good condition, low mileage FJZ80 is highly overstated. Sure they are out there, but finding a low mileage UZJ100 in good condition will be a lot easier. I am still under the impression here that getting out of town on time with a vehicle that is good enough for your trip is still the top priority. We can go on for months planning the ideal truck, but the reality is it just needs to be good enough to get them where they need to go and home again. When you sail do you buy a boat that is good enough for the trip or do you have Farr or Reichel-Pugh custom design something for you?

If I was in that boat and cost was not really an object I would get the Sportsmobile. I have never heard of an owner with anything but the highest praise, though I have heard a couple that wished they bought a diesel. Remember, the Sportsmobile is technically a RV which gives special financing and insurance rates.

Choice number two for me would be a Toyota Tacoma, built up like Scott's. The reason is it is a proven vehicle and you have a few that you can use as blueprints/prototypes. If you go this route, my first stop would be to a good car stereo shop to have the entire cabin lined with Dynamat. With that many hours on the road, quiet is good.

Last choice would be a Landcruiser, any of them. Again, we are dealing with short time lines here. An old vehicle is a bit of a gamble (though in the long run would probably be close to ideal), and a new one requires the use of premium fuel. This may not be an issue in reality, but I would want to make absolutely certain that premium fuel is available in the areas you plan to travel. One possible workaround would be some sort computer controller (lots of places sell these) that allows you to manually control/overide the engine computer and adjust the timing and fuel mixture as necessary. One possibility would be something from www.tlc4x4.com. I think their offerings may be a bit on the side of high price/low value, but you have the option of a completely restored Land Cruiser from what ever vintage you like.

Food for thought.

[pskhaat]

a new one requires the use of premium fuel. This may not be an issue in reality, but I would want to make absolutely certain that premium fuel is available in the areas you plan to travel.


I was just thinking that today, that I forgot to post that many gasoline/petrol 100s require high-test fuel. I'm digressing, but a desmog'd, de-computer'd, carb'd FJ80 w/ manual tranny & manual adjust dizzy would be my choice, but I'm weird like that :-)

[Scott Brady]

One possibility would be something from www.tlc4x4.com. I think their offerings may be a bit on the side of high price/low value, but you have the option of a completely restored Land Cruiser from what ever vintage you like.


Great suggestion. Jonathan Ward takes great pride in the condition and reliability of his reconditioned units. I would highly suggest a call to him.

Toyota even recognized his skills, saying that the FJ40's he sells are BETTER than Toyota made them. Quite a compliment.

I have also been to his shop and spent time with Jonathan. No issues there.

[ChuckB]

When I win the lottery I'm going to TLC with a blank check and coming home with a 40, 60, 80...and a 100 for wife :jump:

I agree with big green and Calamaridog, because time is such a constraint, a newish Tacoma is probably the best way to go. I'd be confident with any new toyota and a bunch of spares. Of course if time wasn't an issue, I personnally would go with a well sorted out 60 or 80. But that's just my inexperienced opinion from a wagon guy.

[Scott Brady]

Well, now that I have had a few days to mull on your requirements and do some research, this is my recommendation.

It satisfies the most compelling need, which is to leave quickly.

Vehicle:
2006 Toyota Tacoma Access Cab 4wd, 6-Speed manual

Options:
Convenience Package (CP) -- power windows/door locks/outside mirrors, remote keyless entry system, cruise control and sliding rear window with privacy glass

SR5 Package #2 (SL) -- Convenience Package #1 plus chrome grille surround and rear bumper, color-keyed front bumper and color-keyed overfenders (PreRunner and 4x4 models only), metallic-tone instrument panel trim, leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift lever, variable intermittent windshield wipers, sun visors with sliding extensions and vanity mirror, SR5 badging, upgraded seat fabric, driver's seat with lumbar support, and fog lamps (V6 models only).

TRD Off-Road Package (OC) -- SR5 Package #2 plus off-road tuned suspension with Bilstein® shocks, 16-in. alloy wheels with P265/70R16 BFGoodrich® Rugged Trail T/A tires, locking rear differential, engine skidplate and fuel tank protector, front tow hook, 115V/400-watt deck mounted power outlet, multi-function overhead console with compass and temperature gauge, sport seats with sport fabric and driver's lumbar support and sport fabric, and TRD Off-Road graphics (V6 models)

V6 Towing Package[2] -- Class-4 towing hitch, transmission oil cooler (automatic transmission models), supplemental engine oil cooler, heavy-duty battery, 130-amp alternator and 7-pin connector with converter

Vehicle Modifications:

Suspension- Front: Donahoe 2.5" Coil-Overs set to 1.5" lift. Rear: Deaver 11 leaf pack set to 2" lift. Alignment.

Tires- Set of 5, BFGoodrich 265/75 R16 Load Rating E. Provides greatest load and damage resistance while maintaining fuel economy and road traction. Size is common in the Americas.

Front: Install ARB Bull-Bar (http://www.arbusa.com/tacoma_tundra.htm)and Warn 9.5XP (http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/95xp_winch.shtml)winch. Use new Viking Off-Road (http://www.winchline.com/) roller fairlead and synthetic line for weight savings and improved safety. Install CB antenna. Install one each, IPF 900xs (http://www.arbusa.com/IPF_USA_900XS.htm) (fully sealed and waterproof, all metal housing) in spot (mounted to drivers side) and driving (mounted to passenger side).

Engine- Upgrade battery to yellow top optima or Odyssey. Install Sure Power battery separator (http://www.surepower.com/separator.html) (model 1314-200). Purchase the following spares: Upper and lower radiator hose, alternator, starter, oil filter (x2), air filter (x2), engine belt.
Note: do not use aftermarket alarm system. Ignition kill switch ok.

Cab- Install CB, install sat phone, driver and passenger headlamps around headrests. Install seat covers, install HD floor mats. light tint on all side window (security). secondary door locks, steering wheel lock. Install Garmin 478 GPS

Access Cab- Remove seats, install Engel 45 fridge on slide-n-lock, secure storage for computers and cameras. document file. Mount aerial flares (security and safety), mount road flares, mount fire extinguisher.

Bed- Fourwheeler Eagle Camper 6'5"
http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/images/eagletitle.jpg

Options:
REFRIGERATOR (3-WAY) 1.9 CU.FT $700.00
POWER ROOF VENT (Fantastic Fan) $295.00
AUTOMATIC FORCED AIR FURNACE (16,000 BTU) $495.00
FRONT SLIDING WINDOW $175.00
SLIDING WINDOW BOOT $85.00
ELECTRIC WATER PUMP (standard on Hawk & Grandby campers) $95.00
SWING-OUT BRACKETS FOR FRONT JACKS (Required for Mid Sized Trucks) $125.00
AUXILIARY BATTERY SYSTEM $395.00
AWNING $585.00
AWNING LIGHT (PASS. SIDE ONLY) $45.00
PORTA-POTTIE $86.00
SCREEN DOOR $235.00
ARCTIC PACK (REMOVABLE INSULATED LINER) $475.00
REAR WALL STEPS (For Access To Roof) $195.00
12 VOLT OUTLET (Optional on Shell Models - otherwise 1 standard) $45.00
FLUORESCENT LIGHTS - SET OF 2 (upgrade from incandescent) $95.00
OPTIONAL FURNACE FOR SHELL MODELS w/ PROPANE TANK $675.00
SOLAR PANEL- ROOF MOUNT - 50 WATT $560.00
EXTENDED LENGTH YAKIMA "TRACKS ONLY" (UP TO 120") -- INSTALLED $230.00
YAKIMA ROOF RACK SYSTEM (120" tracks, 4 towers, 2 bars, 4 locks) $515.00

Additional camper modifications:
Dual Wedco fuel cans on roof rack, Yakima luggage pod. Possible second spare.

Rear of truck:
ExtremeAir Compressor, frame mounted with 5 gallon tank.

[Scott Brady]

Why I made the above recommendation:

1. Availability (everything can be sourced today and installed locally)
2. Fuel Economy: Even loaded, the Tacoma should return better than 18 mpg on the highway.
3. Maximum galley and sleeping comfort, inclement weather retreat
4. Maximum payload (1,600 lbs.)
5. Simplicity: No unnecessary features, no leather, 6-speed manual, etc.
6. Excellent road and terrain performance (good GC, factory locker, etc.)
7. World platform: The Tacoma now shares much with the drivetrain and systems of the hi-lux.
8. $50,000 solution, turn-key and engineered. All products are tested, no custom work required.

[Jonathan Hanson]

Having owned a FourWheel Popup for many years, I agree with Scott on this, and with the choice of a Tacoma as well. I think the combination would make a superb expedition setup, and be much handier than a Sportsmobile.

The great thing about the Four Wheel camper, besides its durability and light weight, is the speed of setup. It takes 30 seconds to raise the roof and provide yourself with a home. When you're tired or sick - or just want a quick lunch - this is a fantastic feature. And the Tacoma/Four Wheel combination is modest enough not to set off as many rich-American alarms as bigger vehicles. The Four Wheel camper is reasonably secure - we installed window bars on ours to prevent casual break-ins. As Vince has pointed out in another thread, storage is not a strong point, but if you store your extra personal luggage on the floor, you just toss it up on the bed while cooking or sitting.

I agree about the problematic need for premium fuel. A truck should run on regular gas. I wonder if the computer could be tweaked? It's supposed to compensate anyway with the knock sensor, but I'm not sure what leeway for octane is built in.

I wouldn't expect 18 mpg on the highway with a new Tacoma and a camper. We got around 16-17 with our 2000 V6 automatic Tacoma and the camper. Still not bad for a full-on expedition vehicle and house.

[ShottsCruisers]

What are your opinions on having it vs. being fully locked or both locked & TRAC'd. (Shotts, I think we already now where you stand :D )

I know nothing. :xxrotflma

[ShottsCruisers]

It would be insane to consider a high mileage FZJ80 over a low mileage UZJ100. Vehicle age should scare the world traveler! And since when did the FZJ80 vehicle become LESS complex than the newer UZJ100? The FZJ80 is a modern vehicle, with modern (older) electrical components. How is this any less complex?

I remember last year in Moab where the question was asked of master mechanic Robbie (Slee's ex lead machanic): "Between the 80 and the 100...which model would be more reliable overall and the easier to diagnose/make repairs on"? His answer was the 100....keep in mind the term "overall" was used.

[ShottsCruisers]

Well, now that I have had a few days to mull on your requirements and do some research, this is my recommendation.

It satisfies the most compelling need, which is to leave quickly.

Vehicle:
2006 Toyota Tacoma Access Cab 4wd, 6-Speed manual

Options:
Convenience Package (CP) -- power windows/door locks/outside mirrors, remote keyless entry system, cruise control and sliding rear window with privacy glass

SR5 Package #2 (SL) -- Convenience Package #1 plus chrome grille surround and rear bumper, color-keyed front bumper and color-keyed overfenders (PreRunner and 4x4 models only), metallic-tone instrument panel trim, leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift lever, variable intermittent windshield wipers, sun visors with sliding extensions and vanity mirror, SR5 badging, upgraded seat fabric, driver's seat with lumbar support, and fog lamps (V6 models only).

TRD Off-Road Package (OC) -- SR5 Package #2 plus off-road tuned suspension with Bilstein® shocks, 16-in. alloy wheels with P265/70R16 BFGoodrich® Rugged Trail T/A tires, locking rear differential, engine skidplate and fuel tank protector, front tow hook, 115V/400-watt deck mounted power outlet, multi-function overhead console with compass and temperature gauge, sport seats with sport fabric and driver's lumbar support and sport fabric, and TRD Off-Road graphics (V6 models)

V6 Towing Package[2] -- Class-4 towing hitch, transmission oil cooler (automatic transmission models), supplemental engine oil cooler, heavy-duty battery, 130-amp alternator and 7-pin connector with converter

Vehicle Modifications:

Suspension- Front: Donahoe 2.5" Coil-Overs set to 1.5" lift. Rear: Deaver 11 leaf pack set to 2" lift. Alignment.

Tires- Set of 5, BFGoodrich 265/75 R16 Load Rating E. Provides greatest load and damage resistance while maintaining fuel economy and road traction. Size is common in the Americas.

Front: Install ARB Bull-Bar (http://www.arbusa.com/tacoma_tundra.htm)and Warn 9.5XP (http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/95xp_winch.shtml)winch. Use new Viking Off-Road (http://www.winchline.com/) roller fairlead and synthetic line for weight savings and improved safety. Install CB antenna. Install one each, IPF 900xs (http://www.arbusa.com/IPF_USA_900XS.htm) (fully sealed and waterproof, all metal housing) in spot (mounted to drivers side) and driving (mounted to passenger side).

Engine- Upgrade battery to yellow top optima or Odyssey. Install Sure Power battery separator (http://www.surepower.com/separator.html) (model 1314-200). Purchase the following spares: Upper and lower radiator hose, alternator, starter, oil filter (x2), air filter (x2), engine belt.
Note: do not use aftermarket alarm system. Ignition kill switch ok.

Cab- Install CB, install sat phone, driver and passenger headlamps around headrests. Install seat covers, install HD floor mats. light tint on all side window (security). secondary door locks, steering wheel lock. Install Garmin 478 GPS

Access Cab- Remove seats, install Engel 45 fridge on slide-n-lock, secure storage for computers and cameras. document file. Mount aerial flares (security and safety), mount road flares, mount fire extinguisher.

Bed- Fourwheeler Eagle Camper 6'5"
http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/images/eagletitle.jpg

Options:
REFRIGERATOR (3-WAY) 1.9 CU.FT $700.00
POWER ROOF VENT (Fantastic Fan) $295.00
AUTOMATIC FORCED AIR FURNACE (16,000 BTU) $495.00
FRONT SLIDING WINDOW $175.00
SLIDING WINDOW BOOT $85.00
ELECTRIC WATER PUMP (standard on Hawk & Grandby campers) $95.00
SWING-OUT BRACKETS FOR FRONT JACKS (Required for Mid Sized Trucks) $125.00
AUXILIARY BATTERY SYSTEM $395.00
AWNING $585.00
AWNING LIGHT (PASS. SIDE ONLY) $45.00
PORTA-POTTIE $86.00
SCREEN DOOR $235.00
ARCTIC PACK (REMOVABLE INSULATED LINER) $475.00
REAR WALL STEPS (For Access To Roof) $195.00
12 VOLT OUTLET (Optional on Shell Models - otherwise 1 standard) $45.00
FLUORESCENT LIGHTS - SET OF 2 (upgrade from incandescent) $95.00
OPTIONAL FURNACE FOR SHELL MODELS w/ PROPANE TANK $675.00
SOLAR PANEL- ROOF MOUNT - 50 WATT $560.00
EXTENDED LENGTH YAKIMA "TRACKS ONLY" (UP TO 120") -- INSTALLED $230.00
YAKIMA ROOF RACK SYSTEM (120" tracks, 4 towers, 2 bars, 4 locks) $515.00

Additional camper modifications:
Dual Wedco fuel cans on roof rack, Yakima luggage pod. Possible second spare.

Rear of truck:
ExtremeAir Compressor, frame mounted with 5 gallon tank.

Wow....how can one argue with this setup? :luxhello:

It's amazing how with Toyota (many models) you simply cannot go wrong!

[bigreen505]

And the Tacoma/Four Wheel combination is modest enough not to set off as many rich-American alarms as bigger vehicles.

Jonathan has, in one sentence, perfectly described my biggest concern about the Sportsmobile. That would be quite a leap from the motorcycles.

The expedition vehicle that Scott outlined for you sounds perfect based on all your requirements. Again, I would still recommend getting the cabin lined with Dynamat or similar.

[pskhaat]

Dan quoted me a price of $118 each for a set a few weeks ago.

Mike, I just called Dan and the 100 series steel rims are still not available; are you talking about the 80 series steelies?

[mountainpete]

Having owned a FourWheel Popup for many years, I agree with Scott on this, and with the choice of a Tacoma as well. I think the combination would make a superb expedition setup, and be much handier than a Sportsmobile.

The great thing about the Four Wheel camper, besides its durability and light weight, is the speed of setup. It takes 30 seconds to raise the roof and provide yourself with a home. When you're tired or sick - or just want a quick lunch - this is a fantastic feature. And the Tacoma/Four Wheel combination is modest enough not to set off as many rich-American alarms as bigger vehicles. The Four Wheel camper is reasonably secure - we installed window bars on ours to prevent casual break-ins. As Vince has pointed out in another thread, storage is not a strong point, but if you store your extra personal luggage on the floor, you just toss it up on the bed while cooking or sitting.

I agree about the problematic need for premium fuel. A truck should run on regular gas. I wonder if the computer could be tweaked? It's supposed to compensate anyway with the knock sensor, but I'm not sure what leeway for octane is built in.

I wouldn't expect 18 mpg on the highway with a new Tacoma and a camper. We got around 16-17 with our 2000 V6 automatic Tacoma and the camper. Still not bad for a full-on expedition vehicle and house.


The FourWheel Campers are very nice units...

Not sure if it's an issue, but I noticed that with the 2006 Tacoma requires external tie downs in order to accomidate the composite bed. Anyone know if the different system creates any issues for off-road durability or security of the shell?

[Mike S]

Mike, I just called Dan and the 100 series steel rims are still not available; are you talking about the 80 series steelies?

Scott - yes. FZJ80 wheels. Sorry for the confusion. I don't know much about the 100 series.

M

[Jonathan Hanson]

MountainPete, good question about the composite bed. I can't imagine Toyota didn't take campers into account when designing it, but you never know. I suspect you might have to mount the camper through the bed into whatever the compsite bed is anchored to itself.

A nimble, self-contained camper setup is wonderful for true overland exploration, when you won't always be able to schedule a scenic wilderness campsite for the night. Often on the road we would hit the wall well short of our goal, but be able to pull off in any convenient spot and have a secure and comfortable night. Truck stop, someone's driveway, any place would serve. A couple of times we slept in dicey enough circumstances that we left the window sliders open into the cab, so one of us could dive through and drive off if there was trouble.

[CLynn85]

A couple of times we slept in dicey enough circumstances that we left the window sliders open into the cab, so one of us could dive through and drive off if there was trouble.

I have to ask, did you ever have to do this?

[Jonathan Hanson]

Nope: Seattle turned out not to be such a bad place after all.

[calamaridog]

I'm liking Scott's brand new Tacoma idea:p

I think this would be the best possible solution on short notice.

:beer:

[gjackson]

SHIP-ABILITY: a vehicle that requires Roll-On/Roll-Off shipping due to height will limit us when it comes time to jump from continent to continent. Even an 80/100 with a short lift and a top tent could be too tall for a regular shipping container (7' 10" / 2.388 m Standard; 8' 10" / 2.692 m HiCube). We're used to putting our bike on a plane, so this is a big criteria for us.

Just for reference, we have a 2.5" lift on a Defender with a roll cage, roof rack and roof top tent and we fit it into a standard 20' container. Had to take the tent off (no problem) and lower tire pressures to get it in, but that was it. And a Defender is taller than either an 80 or 100 before the lift.

A lot of people who run Pinzgauers on overland expeditions just go to a local machine shop and have steel disks made with the lug pattern. Use those for shipping, instead of the wheels, and discard at the other end. There's plenty of space in a container to load the wheels loose. With a little creativity you can get most things into a container. Mogs tend to be a bit big though! :D

cheers

[60seriesguy]

Folks, I'm still concerned about the reliability of a US-spec 80/100 series in some areas of South America where fuel quality is suspect. I had to drain the whole tank on the side of the road and clean up carburators, and I had to filter "gasoline" (if it can be called that) from sketchy vendors using multiple coffee filters. You'd be amazed at what stayed on the filter. My 70, 75 and 60 series Land Cruisers ran like *sh*t* on that stuff, I can't imagine subjecting a 100 series to that kind of abuse.

And while I respect that trucks like Doron's are used on very long expeditions in the Southwest, you guys have to see some of the roads out there to understand my concern. The road that connects St. Helena de Guairen in Venezuela's famed "Gran Sabana" area to Brasil is absolutely horrible, it's not uncommon to lose shocks, studs, and suffer loose components from the jarring vibration and the abrasive silica from the "road".

My vote, given the time, is still to source a turbo-diesel 80 or 100 series in Panama, drive it or have it shipped to the US, take it to an outfitter like Christo Slee.

[calamaridog]

Henry,

Fuel quality could potentially be an issue. The 2UZFE does not mind the 87 octane stuff but I don't know how it would react to "bad" gas. A big box of SEAFOAM might be in order!

Once again, in a ideal world, he would have TIME to find the perfect vehicle, but this is not ideal... He's trying to leave almost immediately.

If this person is serious about leaving in a few weeks, then I remain convinced that the best option remains the new Tacoma similar to the one Scott described.

[dhackney]

All,

Thanks very much for your input and suggestions. We can't thank you enough for the energy that you are all investing into helping us out. We could never duplicate the amount of knowledge and experience that exists in this community and greatly appreciate your willingness to share and kind offers of assistance.


Calamaridog,

My initial instincts mirrored yours, i.e. buy a new vehicle, load it up with spares and head down the road. Thus the "100" in this thread title. We had good luck with the "buy new" approach with our bike over the last few years, and like most humans, sought to apply a past successful approach to this new challenge.

As noted earlier in this thread, however, the realities of the 3rd world are harsh, in road conditions, fuel quality and repair/parts (or lack thereof). We've seen it first hand now, and cannot deny what awaits us. I wish I could say we were decided on new vs. old, or at least definately leaning one way or another, but I can't yet. We're still reading and learning from you and the others in this forum who have the experience with these vehicles.

I'd personally love to do the temporary import and prep of the diesel 80 option, but we've got the challenge of where to register it while we're in the vehicle over the next few years. I'd like to avoid establishing residency outside the country for that purpose if possible. Plus, as you've noted, our timeline is very aggressive for that type of option.

And along those lines...


If this person is serious about leaving in a few weeks...

Guess where I'll be spending the next few weeks:
http://www.hackneys.com/photos/juror-small.jpg

I could have weaseled my way out of it considering we're moving out of here one way or another in a few weeks, but I think it's important to fulfill civic duties like this.

I'll use my breaks and downtime to study up on our options.

BTW, we may still be interested in taking you up on your offer of showing us how a 100 performs off-road if we can work out a time before we head out.

thanks,
Doug

[BajaTaco]

Doug, this is a really fun project that you are undertaking, and I'm sure you have had such a good response here because this is exactly the kind of thing that we all love to discuss. I think we are all excited for you and your wife to have another spectacular adventure. Good luck with jury duty ;)

I haven't said anything up to this point, because I think there are others here that are much more versed on the LandCruisers than I. Now that a Tacoma has been thrown into the mix... I just thought I would add a couple of comments. Scott, even using the 265 tires, I'm not so sure about your MPG estimate - I think 13-16 might be more realistic once a 4-wheel camper and other mods (i.e. weight) are added, and also especially when the mountains are encountered. Except for fuel costs, I do think that would be a great setup to cruise through SA in, especially considering it as a new vehicle. I would be very willing to take the risk on parts availability in exchange for the peace of mind I would have driving a new Taco on the trip. Common spares would be easy to take along and would mitigate the parts risk quite a bit. I think a washable or replaceable pre-filter could be installed for the fuel system (check marine supply).

FWIW, regarding Hilux compatibility:

Most SA countries - their current Hilux will likely share the same suspension/steering parts from what I have seen in photos - although this is a big assumption without closer comparison.
Venezuela - as a petrol option, appears to use the same V6 as the US.
Chile - has a petrol engine avail, but only 4-cyl.
Peru - has a petrol engine avail, but only 4-cyl.
Brazil and Argentina - Diesel engines only

A diesel sure would be nice for this kind of trip.

[calamaridog]

Doug,

I still believe in the "buy new" approach due to your timeline.

As Scott pointed out, the best "new" option might be a Tacoma at this point. All the upgrades could be easily sourced, the suspension choices are better, and a truck could be prepared very quickly.

A brand new Tacoma will cost less than an acceptable used Land Cruiser.

When you decide on a vehicle, start a new thread for your "extra parts" list to gather ideas. There are several vendors that forum members use who offer great prices on Toyota OEM parts and can also offer feedback on what spares to take with you.

[Cruiser99]

Doug,

This is a very interesting discussion and as a matter of fact I bought my 100 back in 1999 for the reason you what to get one but, in my case, the plan did not work out.

A couple of points on the 100

So far Henry plan sound the best, if you have the time to execute it. I share his concerns about the quality of the fuel that you might be forced to use.

The v8 can take low octane fuel, but there is a limit. Even though on Occasions I fueled my truck from some shady sources, I suspect that the quality of the fuel in Mexico is comparable to the US. To prevent fuel delivery problem, I always feel the aux tank. And use a smart filtering scheme to transfer the fuel to the main. The disadvantage here is that it does reduce the effective range.

I don’t think that vibration is an issue, especially not on the electronic. I am in a business of making quite sophisticated electromechanical systems and I have never seen the level of design/execution that I see on my truck – Tacoma included. Not to mention Domestic. I don’t begin to have the experience that Henry have, but I took my truck through hours BAD roads inducing the full spectrum of frequency response from the vehicle (including dropping a tire into a pot hole that practically swallow the whole tire) and never experience any issues. BTW never had any warranty issue with this truck

If you have more specific questions about the UZJ, ask away…

Doron.

[dhackney]

My vote, given the time, is still to source a turbo-diesel 80 or 100 series in Panama, drive it or have it shipped to the US, take it to an outfitter like Christo Slee.

All,

If we pursue this route of sourcing a foreign market diesel 80, we face the challenge of registering & liscensing the vehicle during our travels. We have experience with Carnets, so bringing it into the country for the build-up and getting it back out is not the issue. The challenge is: Where do we register/liscense the vehicle while we are traveling? It will not have a DOT valid VIN, so we don't know of a way to register / liscense it here in the U.S.

Anyone with experience / knowledge on this issue?

Doug

[pskhaat]

You'd have to go through a registered importer (RI) (as you most likely know). They're the ones who need to certify that compliance work has been done and get your properly regsistered in any US State, but due to the ``full faith and credit'' clause in the Constitution Article IV legal in one state means for the most part legal in another (minus Kalifornia where they're their own country and thrwart other legal means... :D ).

This costs big $ as I understand. There was a time when I was very much considering starting an RI business in Galveston for foreign Toyotas; I was amazed at the fees.

[dhackney]

You'd have to go through a registered importer (RI) (as you most likely know). They're the ones who need to certify that compliance work has been done and get your properly regsistered in any US State

Scott,

Our goal is not to get the vehicle registered in the US, but to have a valid registration on the vehicle while we are using it the 2-3 years of the overseas international expedition. While the vehicle was in the US getting outfitted, I would bring it into the US under a Carnet, full name: Carnet de Passages en Douane, which is conceptually a passport for a vehicle. (learn more about getting a Carnet at: Canadian Auto Club Carnet Info (http://www.caa.ca/english/travel/documentation/passages-cdn.html))

I do not plan to use the vehicle in the US beyond break-in, testing, final systems check-out, etc. Once we leave the country with it, it will never come back to the U.S. When we are done with the expedition, we will sell it in its country of origin we establish with the Carnet.

My challenge is to have valid title, registration and liscense plates for it while we are overseas. I'd rather not establish residency in another country for that purpose.

Doug

[gjackson]

Going through an RI will cost you plenty. I was quoted $10,000 for just the service, independant of what it cost to modify the car to get it to US standards. To get plates over here, you will have to register it, and I don't believe there is any way to do that on a temporary basis for a non-US car. Talk to an import/export lawyer. That is what I did.

cheers

[pskhaat]

Please excuse me if I missed a post where you said this, but are you expecting/wanting US registration? Canadian/Mexican/Etc registration would not be easier?

If US residency is an issue, can you establish a foreign corporation in the US (like Nevada) and have the corporation own the vehicle. A statutory agent for the corporation in a state should establish a proper and legal address, all transactions would go through said corporation which would have you as sole member.

[dhackney]

Scott,

Goals:
1) Use of foreign market 80 series diesel LC in non-USA countries
2) Temporary import of foreign market 80 series diesel into USA for build-up and testing (can use Carnet to achieve this)
3) Valid title, registration and license on foreign market 80 series diesel LC while in use in non-USA countries (don't have a solution for this, need help)

We are US citizens.
We DO NOT seek to register this vehicle in the US.

Doug

[pskhaat]

3) Valid title, registration and license on foreign market 80 series diesel LC while in use in non-USA countries (don't have a solution for this, need help)...We DO NOT seek to register this vehicle in the US.

Yeah, I was curious as to the desire on the last part also about wanting registration in the States. Sorry I can't be much further help on non-domestic registration & things as I have very little knowledge there. However, is it possible to register a US not-for-profit company for business/research/writing in Canada and then register said vehicle under Canadian company?

[Scott Brady]

How is your trip preparation and vehicle selection coming? Looking forward to following your progress. :coffee:

[dhackney]

How is your trip preparation and vehicle selection coming? Looking forward to following your progress. :coffee:

Timely question. I've been offline working on a project for that last few months and have just returned to reality. Now 100% focused on "what's next."

Before submerging for the last portion of that project my last official act was to have a long conversation with Christo Slee, who lived up to his stellar reputation for honesty, experience and insight.

His first comment to me was "these things work great for 2-3 weeks of camping, but for what you are looking at they will get very small, very fast." After much consideration, conversation and several soul searching reviews of what we are lookinig for in a four-wheeled transportation platform, I think I've got to agree with him.

Here is the list of our decision points, our decisions in ( ):

Trailer Y/N (N)
U.S. registered vehicle Y/N (Y, want all of our documents to match)
U.S. market chassis Y/N (probably Y due to previous)
Diesel Y/N (Y)
4x4 Y/N (Y)
Factory 4x4 Y/N (Y if possible with chassis)
Global parts and service capability Minimal / Doable / Maximum (Maximum if chassis allows, must be at least Doable)
Toilet / shower Y/N (Y)
Permanent bed Y/N (Y)
Canvas side or hard side (H)
Level of mud / rough road / off road capability – Minimal / Capable / Anything (Capable)
Self recovery capability - Minimal / Capable / Maximum (Maximum)
Amount of interior space – Minimal / Compact But Doable / Plenty (CBD)
Amount of storage space - Minimal / Compact But Doable / Plenty (CBD)
Standard/HiCube/RORO shipping (container if at all possible)


For a U.S. registered vehicle in the price range of what we're willing to put into a self-insured (once we leave the U.S.) depreciating asset, that list of decisions pushes us towards:

- Sportsmobile EB Ford E350 w/aftermarket 4x4
- Provan Tiger Chevy Diesel 3/4 or 1 ton factory 4x4
- Xplorer Ford Diesel 3/4 or 1 ton factory 4x4
- Mercedes / Dodge / Freightliner Sprinter 158" LWB w/custom aftermarket 4x4 conversion

Optimally, we'd prefer a foreign chassis set up for 240VAC, etc. but given our experience at land border crossings, we feel having all of our documents be consistent, i.e. same address, same country, etc. is more of a priority.

Width is a real factor in the developing nations we prefer to travel in, so the Sprinter is best there. It also has by far the best parts and service availability worldwide of these choices. Downside is a hodgepodge custom aftermarket 4x4 conversion that will also be very expensive to implement.

I'd like to post a general query for input on these choices and a long list of considerations that go with them and the results. What is the appropriate forum here where I can get the maximum feedback?

Doug

[calamaridog]

I'm glad you spoke to Cristo Slee and I'm glad he lived up to his reputation.

I figured two people living off the back of motorcyles would find the LC to be rather spacious;)

I was thinking about the Sprinter conversion idea but I keep getting hung up on this little fact:

"2.7-liter I5 Turbo Diesel engine produces 154 horsepower at 3,800 RPM and 243 pounds-feet of torque from 1,600 to 2,400 RPM."

I'm just not seeing it. Call me skeptical, but I don't see the power numbers to move a large 4x4 RV around the 3rd world. Then again, your not in a hurry right? The the Mitsubishi diesel makes similar power...

The good news is that several people who participate here will have some good ideas about this new approach.

I'm sure Scott will direct you to a more appropriate section, I'm not 100% sure.

Here is a link to another idea, but maybe it is too wide for your needs:

http://www.ruf-inc.com/aatrec.htm

[dhackney]

I was thinking about the Sprinter conversion idea but I keep getting hung up on this little fact:

"2.7-liter I5 Turbo Diesel engine produces 154 horsepower at 3,800 RPM and 243 pounds-feet of torque from 1,600 to 2,400 RPM."

[snip]

Here is a link to another idea, but maybe it is too wide for your needs:

http://www.ruf-inc.com/aatrec.htm

LC vs. bike: After we allow for basic gear, spares, recovery, etc. we don't gain much in the way of cubic carrying capacity. It comes out to about one to two pannier boxes of space. The primary advantage is it allows my wife to share the driving duties, but it remains primarily a "hotel to hotel" type of platform since, in her words, she's "not a tent girl."

Power: In the developing economies we prefer to travel in the road conditions severely limit your rate of travel anyway, so speed is not much of a limiting factor. You need enough torque to climb the passes, but flat out speed isn't used much outside of open desert, savannah areas or the Oz outback. You are usually very limited by the "target rich" environment...

http://www.hackneys.com/travel/India/india-photos/India_Album/images/image078.jpg

Here's a really well done web site from a Swiss family out in a Sprinter: http://www.escampette.net/ They are currently in Pakistan up near Kashmir and started over in Viet Nam, so I guess its working for them. Note, however, that they are in the medium wheelbase (228" / 19 ft / 5.79m) version.

Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen them before. Actually pretty perfect for our needs. Size is OK compared to what we're looking at, only 1" wider than the Sportsmobile & Tiger. Big limiting factor in size is the ability to fit into a shipping container. Looks like you'd have to take the box off the RUF to fit it in.

Check out the turning radius comparison:

- Tiger extended cab: 50.8 feet
- Toyota Land Cruiser: 39.7 feet
- RUF AATREC: 37.7 feet – it actually turns tighter than a Land Cruiser!

[calamaridog]

I'm understanding your needs better now that you said your wife is not a "tent girl". I can certainly understand that, I've lived out of a tent for a month before, and it's not for everone. I'm sure my wife would not live out of a Land Cruiser and sleep on the roof for a world tour:D

The newer Mitsubishi diesel offers more torque than the Sprinter, but if you are going for a smaller/lighter design similar to the one you linked, then I can see how it would work for you.

The issue with the shipping container is interesting too. Definitely a limiting factor. The AATREC site says "Complete camper autonomy from the chassis when required, enabling the fully functional shelter to be removed and operated independently from the chassis while the chassis is used for other purposes". Then you have the expense of shipping two large items.

800 mile range with 73 gallons of fuel capacity? Don't know if that is important to you?

The turning radius of the cabover design is amazing.

And at perhaps $150,000 for that AATREC thing, you could sure stay in a ton of hotels!

This is all very interesting:) Have fun planning, and keep the updates coming. This is much more fun than reality TV:D

[gjackson]

Couple of issues to throw into the mill: You are completely right to not worry about the power. The TDI in my D110 produces something like 115bhp. For a truck that big it is very low power, but it wasn't until we got back to the States that I felt I needed more power. Even places where you can go fast in the 3rd world, it usually isn't wise to.

Just from our experience in Africa, we started by stopping at a hotel almost once a week just to break from camping, but after getting ripped off, getting fleas and worrying constantly about the safety of the truck, we found it much more relaxing and enjoyable to camp. Everyone is different, but the truck security issue really brought it home to us.

cheers

Graham

[kbellve]

Something not mentioned is a Ford Diesel Excursion as an option.

It has a very simple but strong suspension with a common solid front axle.

It has plenty of room for storage, even sleeping inside.

It has a decent diesel engine.

On the con side it is heavy and large.

[Scott Brady]

Good suggestion kbellve,

I also like the Excursion, and have even considered it as a solution. It could easily be built into a serious expedition platform. :clapsmile

Oh, and welcome to the forum :)