Roof Tent Mounting Options

[Scott Brady]

We have had some good discussions on the virtues of roof tents, and one of the things often discussed is how to mount them. They are heavy and awkward, and need to be solid to withstand the reciprocating mass.

So, I will share some of my research, and hopefully others will chime in too.

Here are the methods I have looked into:

1. Custom platform at bed height
2. Custom Cage to mount tent at cab height
3. Custom Cage to mount tent top even with cab height
4. Mounted to shell
5. Mounted to hard tonneau
6. Simple mount to load bars
7. Mount to Thule Xsporter
8. Mount above cab

[Scott Brady]

I really like this option, as it facilitates using tool boxes and having additional room under the tent. I seriously considered it before I built my custom platform.

http://www.thuleracks.com/thule/images/products/422.jpg

71" cross bars will work with all compact and mid-sized trucks.
450LB dynamic load capacity
Adjustable height

If you are using a smaller roof tent, like the 1200, there will still be room to mount a mtn. bike, etc.

Xsporter (http://www.thuleracks.com/thule/product.asp?dept_id=75&sku=422)

[The Swiss]

Those Thule look nice.

With my Tacoma Double Cap and a Maggiolina Adventure hardshell tent, I have to mount it on cab hight.

I'm debating whether I should mount it to some kind of decent looking contractors rack or on a shell. What I'm concerned of is fuel milage as the Taco is my daily driver, and with the weigth of the tent, I do not want to put it up on Fridays and take it down on Mondays! So for now, I might just leave the Maggiolina mounted on my ute trailer, which works well as long as the trails are not too bad.

[Scott Brady]

These A.R.E shells (LSII Models) can be fitted with the Thule load bars and then mount the tent. Upgrading the gas struts will make lifting easier.

Combined with a drawer system, like the Outback units would make for a killer combo.

http://www.4are.com/img/product/lsii/pics/46_lsii_06tacoma_blue.JPG

From the A.R.E. site: (http://www.4are.com/product/lsii/)

"Ultimate custom fit tonneau covers. The LSII Series is the ultimate in custom-fitted hard tonneau covers for today's pickups. A.R.E. designed each model to match the curvature and style lines of the pickup it is made to fit. Compound curves add strength as well as style.

The LSII Series is equipped with an exclusive Lift Assist System that captures the 200+ lbs. of constant stress. The Lift Assist System makes it easy to open and close your LSII by absorbing the stress exerted by gas struts within the system. Other tonneaus send the force to the front corners of the truck bed which are not constructed to handle the stress.

The painted Palm Grip handle blends in with the LSII body. An easy twist of the wrist unlatches the LSII without removing gloves or subjecting fingernails to possible breakage. The dual cut key goes into the lock easily the first time and turns to lock or unlock the LSII quickly.

The weight of the LSII rests on the rubber height adjusters of the mounting rail system, not on your truck's paint. This prevents unnecessary paint wear on your truck bed rails. The LSII is designed with a mounting rail system, which allows a clamp-on installation with a common 9/16" wrench. The LSII is fast and simple to remove and reinstall. There is no need to drill holes in your bed rails, which will hurt the resale value of your truck. Clamps are sold separately.

A.R.E. makes an LSII to fit all current model trucks plus most early models. the approximate weight is 90 lbs. for a mini and 120 lbs. for a full size."

[Ramdough]

I have said this before, but my tent acounts for 2-3 MPG!!!!


My setup can be found here. (http://www.ramdough.com/Taco/Roof%20Rack%20Install/RoofRackInstall.htm)

I use a rope-lift-tree system to remove the tent when not in use and scooter wheels to roll it into my garage.

[paulj]

A used Wildernest cap might be a good base for such a roof top tent, even if the Wildernest tent itself was no longer useable. The Wildernest people took a Guidon fiberglass shell, cut off the top, and glassed in steel braces in all 4 corners. The top also has hard points for mounting roof rack bars. I made my own mounting brackets, but Yakima's artificial rain gutter brackets would have worked.

Come to think of it, don't most people mount their roof rack brackets on the sides of the shell, rather than the top? I suspect the sides of most shells are stiffer than the roof.

paulj

[The Swiss]

I have said this before, but my tent acounts for 2-3 MPG!!!!
It set me back about 1.5 - 2 MPG on my Grand Cherokee. That's why it ended on the trailer...

[Nullifier]

I really like this option, as it facilitates using tool boxes and having additional room under the tent. I seriously considered it before I built my custom platform.

http://www.thuleracks.com/thule/images/products/422.jpg

71" cross bars will work with all compact and mid-sized trucks.
450LB dynamic load capacity
Adjustable height

If you are using a smaller roof tent, like the 1200, there will still be room to mount a mtn. bike, etc.

Xsporter (http://www.thuleracks.com/thule/product.asp?dept_id=75&sku=422)

Also note Scott the Thule bars can be cut down about 10" if the overhang is an issue for small truck owners. Just trimoff with a hack saw and then drill new holes to mount the end caps. I have trimmed a few for some of my customers but personally have left mine alone. Since I am always carrying a bunch of boats I need the width.

[DaveInDenver]

One thing to also watch out for on the Thule and Yakima racks is that they are telling you the load they can carry, not the force they can tolerate lifting. For example, I have Yakima 1A towers and Top Loader mounts on my WilderNest. They say they can hold something like 300 lbs. But if you were to try and actually lift my shell with a block & tackle roped to the cross bars the feet could open and slip off the mounts. The Thule that Scott shows is a much different design and seems more substantial, but be careful to understand the system when the tent is open and you have a couple of people sleeping, giving you a moment that is putting the rack in significant tension, so the connections and mechanicals are pulling up from the bed, rather than in compression like they are more typically designed to do. This is similar to the lowered rating that rack manufacturers give when you're using boxes and boat mounts which have significant lift as you scoot down the road, rather than a bike that does not try to fly nearly as much in the wind. I just wanted to point that out when you are comparing a Thule/Yak rack to a custom mount or ladder racks. Personally, I'd feel much more secure having my roof top tent bolted to a ladder rack or custom framework of square steel tubing.

[OutbacKamper]

These A.R.E shells (LSII Models) can be fitted with the Thule load bars and then mount the tent. Upgrading the gas struts will make lifting easier.

Combined with a drawer system, like the Outback units would make for a killer combo.

http://www.4are.com/img/product/lsii/pics/46_lsii_06tacoma_blue.JPG

From the A.R.E. site: (http://www.4are.com/product/lsii/)



Another similar option might be one of these (without the canvas, they sell it as just a hard tonneau cover), I am not sure about the weight capacity though:

http://www.topupcamper.com/demo.php

Cheers
Mark

[Scott Brady]

Mark,

That is slick!

[Hltoppr]

I've used Yakima A Towers and 72" load bars (3 sets under the tent, one additional set at the front of the rig) for my kayaks and roof tent/awning, and it works great.


-H-

[OutbacKamper]

Mark,

That is slick!

I like it so much I have played with the interactive demo at least 4 different times now. You wouldn't want to accidently hit the remote control "up" button while sleeping in the attached roof top tent though.
:eek:

[Mike S]

Scott has listed some of the more popular mounting options, which I can comment on, as we have several hundred tents in service in North America. I would also like to describe other options developed and used by AutoHome users for special needs. I am posting some photos of some examples. I will also limit my comments to mounting on pick-up trucks and trailers, as these fitments usually provoke the most questions and options.

A note on fuel efficiency:

Gas (fuel) mileage is often an issue. The best ways to minimize the impact of a tent on fuel consumption are; a.) employ a very streamlined tent, b.) Use a tent that is as lightweight as possible, consistent with long term performance, c.) place the tent in the slipstream of the vehicle - below cab height, or on a trailer.

Impact on mileage is very dependent on the type of vehicle that is employed, and how that vehicle is used. Example: an FJ40 Landcruiser, Land Rover series, or Jeep Wrangler is a 'brick' and somewhat under powered compared to other vehicles. Driven at lower speeds, as when in use on backroads and trails, the tent weight has more impact on mileage than the aerodynamics.

On highway mileage, traveling at speed, requires an aerodynamic solution. A traditional - folding, fabric - roof tent has a flat frontal surface of about 46" X 11" - 506 square inches of wind resistance at work. And the effect of this surface increases as the speed of the vehicle increases. This type of tent will have a penalty of 2 to 4 MPG or so, depending on a variety of factors - weigh, horsepower, altitude, etc. I prefer to use this type of tent on my trailer.

A streamlined, hard shell tent with a slick surface is many times more efficient. I have found that a tent like the Maggiolina AirLand has LESS impact on fuel efficiency than the roof rack alone - less wind resistance. To tell the truth, this type of tent on my Landcruiser or Ford Expedition is effiecent enough that it is hard to quantify the small impact on the mileage. On a lower powered vehicle, it becomes more noticeable, but is seldom more than 1 to 1.5 MPG penalty.

On mounting tents in general:

We much prefer tp recommend engineered aftermarket rack systems over factory or home made mounting systems. Thle and Yakima KNOW roof rack systems, and test configurations that are published in their fitment guides.

Bear in mind that factory rack systems may seriously limit the carrying capacity, or impose limits on durability under extreme conditions. We recommend that you fit your vehicle with aftermarket engineered rack system, such as Thule or Yakima.

Roof Rack System Load Ratings:

AutoHome roof top tents are designed to mount simply on engineered aftermarket crossbars, the same as you would use to carry your canoe, kayak or bicycle. The rack system transfers the weight to the structural parts of your vehicles's roof.

Like vehicles, roof racks carry a dynamic weight rating, which defines the tested limitations of the rack system when the vehicle is in motion. Most racks (in the USA) carry a maximum 165 pound dynamic rating, which means the rack can support 165 pounds of weight while driving down the road. AutoHome roof top tents weigh between 95 and 155 pounds, so the rack system can easily handle the weight. When you are parked and camping, this is a "static load", much more gentle and the racks can easily handle the additional weight of gear and occupants.

Off road Use: These tents are made to withstand a lot of abuse, but we highly recommend, when mounting a tent for off-highway use, that you employ THREE or more cross bars. This helps to distribute the load evenly under extreme use conditions.


Scott's tent mounting options:

1. Custom platform at bed height - I am not fond of this option, as it severely limits access to the bed and contents. It is strong and has limited impact on vehicle handling.

2. Custom Cage to mount tent at cab height - This option is often very similar to mounting on a 'lumber rack' a popular option that allows flexibility. I would place mounting to an 'exoskeleton' in the came category. Here is a photo of Gary Kardum's FJ45 trayback with a Columbus tent fitted to the exoskeleton.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/372852.jpg

3. Custom Cage to mount tent top even with cab height - a good functional option, but 'custom' _ $$, and the engineering must be solid, so that no functional problems ensue from the mounting structure. Desertdude chose to mount his Maggiolina this way, and it is a very tidy and workable arrangementHeres a Tacoma with this type of mounting:

http://www.hunt101.com/img/408671.jpg

4. Mounted to shell - This is a very simple and effective way to go. Most of our customers who mount tents to their pick-ups opt for this solution. Mounting to the shell does not need to be an engineering project. Most shells can be fitted with artificial rain gutters, standard cross bars, and the tent secured to the cross bars with standard mounting hardware. Here's two examples:

http://www.hunt101.com/img/408669.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/408672.JPG

5. Mounted to hard tonneau - Problem is opeing the tonneau cover without some serious gas ram upgrading, and the tonneau cover really limits what can bo done. We don't see this otion very ofetn ofr these reasons.

6. Simple mount to load bars - Simple, effective, flexible. A no brainer when combined with a cap or extended cab system..

7. Mount to Thule Xsporter - We like the Xsporter a lot. It is very strong, adjustable for height, and can be bought off the shelf. Quite a few of our customers use them.

8. Mount above cab - This may look a little weird, but more than a few of our customers do this, and report that it works well. This really works best with a extended or double cab truck. Standard roof rack systems are employed. Here's a photo of a couple of Maggiolinas mounted to the cabs of Toyota trucks -

http://www.hunt101.com/img/408668.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/img/408673.jpg

I have also seen customer engineer systems that allow the tent to slide to the rear on tracks - providing a sheltered area at the rear of the vehicle. I have seen them mounted in the bed of a Unimog, on motorcyle trailers, etc.

I will try to do a post on tents on trailers.

Mike S

[91xlt]

Excellent and creative ways...my fav is still on a trailer of some sort

[OverlandZJ]

That FJ-45 is SWEET!! :clapsmile :beer:

Anyone happen to have pics of an install on an aftermarket roof rack? Trying to figure a way to temporarily mount my Eezi-Awn to a Garvin rack, it'll be transfered to a trailer next season.

[cshontz]

Anyone happen to have pics of an install on an aftermarket roof rack? Trying to figure a way to temporarily mount my Eezi-Awn to a Garvin rack, it'll be transfered to a trailer next season.

That sounds like it might ride a little tall, John. Although it'd be temporary, could you spring for a set of low-profile Thule or Yakima rails in place of the Garvin - and possibly install a smaller basket in front of the tent?

I'm just throwing ideas out there - but as you know, I have no experience with the setup. :)

[Boston Mangler]

450LB dynamic load capacity


Me = 260
Tent = 100
Girlfriend = 130ish
No Bueno! :)

I have a very HD aluminum roof rack that i will be installing my tent onto. Here are a few pics:

Rack i have (shown with the 1/2 rail option, i have a full rail):
http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/images/african_outback/ao_80rack_500.jpg

Tent installed on said rack:

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/images/african_outback/rack_detail_4.jpg

http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com/images/productimages/eeziawn/100seriesAOBrack252.jpg

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/images/tents/tent_1200_5.jpg

Bathroom Skirt That Will Make The Misses VERY Happy!
http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/images/tents/tentshower.jpg

[91xlt]

Boston Mangler


NICE!!!!:clapsmile

[OverlandZJ]

That sounds like it might ride a little tall, John. Although it'd be temporary, could you spring for a set of low-profile Thule or Yakima rails in place of the Garvin - and possibly install a smaller basket in front of the tent?

I'm just throwing ideas out there - but as you know, I have no experience with the setup. :)

Exactly what i'm concerned about Chris!

I do have other options for this season as you suggested. There's a guy on NAXJA selling ZJ Thule towers and crossbars, the ZJ crossbars are shorter than an XJ needs. Fear not...i have wider crossbars from my old Thule that was on my Black 88, but the factory rail mounts are different. So, were discussing things and someone local chimes in saying he is interested....and all of a sudden i go to the back of the line?! Let the guy choke on them.

I put a call in and Thule setup will run me $200. I could take the center section of my Garvin rack out and bolt the front and rear sections together for a 2' deep rack (big enough for my Sceptor cans/cooler etc). Mount that in front of the Eezi-Awn as you suggested.That'd get me through the season till i can get the M100 setup enough to use it.

Or i can make my Garvin rack more like a deck...like BostonMangler posted below. Cut the sides off my Garvin and it's done.

Decisions ...Decisions bro. :Wow1:

[Ramdough]

I've used Yakima A Towers and 72" load bars (3 sets under the tent, one additional set at the front of the rig) for my kayaks and roof tent/awning, and it works great.


H,

Do you have more pics of that? I have been trying to figure out how to fit a few kayaks or a canoe on my truck.

Nice looking rig BTW:clapsmile

[Mike S]

H,

Do you have more pics of that? I have been trying to figure out how to fit a few kayaks or a canoe on my truck.

Nice looking rig BTW:clapsmile

Another option is to get a different type of tent - that takes up only HALF of the roof rack system. :coffee:

http://www.hunt101.com/img/317693.jpg

[Mike S]

Me = 260
Tent = 100
Girlfriend = 130ish
No Bueno! :)

Senor Mangler --

Dynamic weight rating would only include the load on the rack when operating the vehicle - I doubt that you and the girl friend would be in the tent when traveling...:Wow1:

When parked you suggested weights would not be a problem for this system.

I think the Xsporter is a great slution for a pick-up. I had a lunch with Pasquale - Desertdude - the other day, and got a good look at his Tacoma - a really sanitary and well thought out set-up. I was impressed with the attention to detail and the quality of components he assembled.

Mike

[Boston Mangler]

Senor Mangler --
Dynamic weight rating would only include the load on the rack when operating the vehicle - I doubt that you and the girl friend would be in the tent when traveling...:Wow1:

Ahh, ok, that makes more sense then! :)


When parked you suggested weights would not be a problem for this system.

Great!



I think the Xsporter is a great slution for a pick-up. I had a lunch with Pasquale - Desertdude - the other day, and got a good look at his Tacoma - a really sanitary and well thought out set-up. I was impressed with the attention to detail and the quality of components he assembled.
Mike

You should see his drawer system/shower setup! :D

[p1michaud]

On mounting tents in general:

4. Mounted to shell - This is a very simple and effective way to go. Most of our customers who mount tents to their pick-ups opt for this solution. Mounting to the shell does not need to be an engineering project. Most shells can be fitted with artificial rain gutters, standard cross bars, and the tent secured to the cross bars with standard mounting hardware. Here's two examples:

http://www.hunt101.com/img/408669.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/408672.JPG



MikeS
I’ve got a few questions about mounting a tent to a shell. I see in your post above that these guys have their tents mounted on their shell. Their rack is on the side of the shell instead of on top. My THULE rack has the 60” long rails that allow adjustment along the length of the shell and I’m not sure that this set up would be strong enough for a roof top tent.
Here is a pic of my set up:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/p1michaud/Tacoma/Camper-RoofRack/DSC02494.jpg
Have you mounted any tents to this type of shell mounted rack before? Are shells capable of handling 500 lbs of static load? I’m curious of the long term performance with this type of mounting solution (i.e. long term vibration resistance and fatigue cracking)? Can you share any additional information there?




A note on fuel efficiency:

Gas (fuel) mileage is often an issue. The best ways to minimize the impact of a tent on fuel consumption are; a.) employ a very streamlined tent, b.) Use a tent that is as lightweight as possible, consistent with long term performance, c.) place the tent in the slipstream of the vehicle - below cab height, or on a trailer.


My next question is with respect to roof vs. trailer MPG? I’m curious to know what the larger MPG penalty would be for a Tacoma. The fact that you are towing a trailer with tent on it and other gear in it would incur some MPG loss but would it be larger than simply mounting the tent on the roof?

Cheers :beer:,
P

[Mike S]

I’ve got a few questions about mounting a tent to a shell. I see in your post above that these guys have their tents mounted on their shell. Their rack is on the side of the shell instead of on top. My THULE rack has the 60” long rails that allow adjustment along the length of the shell and I’m not sure that this set up would be strong enough for a roof top tent.

Have you mounted any tents to this type of shell mounted rack before? Are shells capable of handling 500 lbs of static load? I’m curious of the long term performance with this type of mounting solution (i.e. long term vibration resistance and fatigue cracking)? Can you share any additional information there?

Yes we have mounted tents on this type of set up, and they are generally strong. I would DEFINITELY check with the shell manufacturer as to their top load limits. They could be unwilling to comment on any load on their campers ofr liability reasons, but it is worth a try. I don't know what shell you have, or what rating it would have, even guessing.


My next question is with respect to roof vs. trailer MPG? I’m curious to know what the larger MPG penalty would be for a Tacoma. The fact that you are towing a trailer with tent on it and other gear in it would incur some MPG loss but would it be larger than simply mounting the tent on the roof?


Depends on the roof tent you choose. An aerodynamic model will punish you much less than a trailer. But I have pulled my trailer wih my Landcruiser, and gottent what I thought was very good mileage. If you select a 'brick-like' tent, it will cost you several MPG, but much depends on the power of your vehicle, driving style and speed, etc. Comparing to a trailer, the trailer is out of the slipstream, but will add hundreds of pounds of additional weight. It might be MORE efficient on flat lands, and LESS efficient in the mountains.

But trailers have many other advantages you may wish to consider in your thinking process. I would say the choice depends on mileage traveled, use patterns, and the amount of gear you have to carry. I like my trailer, but don't always pull it along, sometimes I just use the Cruiser with a slim line roof tent.

I know - clear as mud, but we could have a long discussion on this subject, and consider a lot of details that we have not discussed here.

Mike S

[articulate]

I know - clear as mud, but we could have a long discussion on this subject, and consider a lot of details that we have not discussed here.

Mike S
Man, I gotta tell you I keep visiting this very thread because I am not sure at all what I want to do with my set up. And your posts are killer.

http://www.markdstephens.com/mexico/3-chacala4.jpg

My temporary solution is two steel load bars spanning the bed. (the tent is an Eazi Awn 1200). It works. I'm afraid of the Thule Xsporter, but I like the concept. But moving parts cause exponentially more wear and tear, so I'm concerned about that set up failing.

After reading your posts, I really like the idea of putting on a camper shell and mounting the tent to that. Damn! Then we'd have a ton of cargo space. If we had some kids then we'd have a place to set up a sleeping platform in the shell when they were old enough. Sweet. I wonder if the truck will last that long....

My wheels are turning now. :088:

[pskhaat]

Could an angled piece of plastic/metal be placed in front of the `brick' tents to assist in aerodynamics?

[Mike S]

After reading your posts, I really like the idea of putting on a camper shell and mounting the tent to that. Damn! Then we'd have a ton of cargo space. If we had some kids then we'd have a place to set up a sleeping platform in the shell when they were old enough. Sweet. I wonder if the truck will last that long....

My wheels are turning now. :088:

The absolute ideal expedition rig would, in my opinion, be a camper shell that has side lockable side openings (like those that tradesmen use), and a bed-mounted exo-frame of DOM tubing at each end of the bed, joined by tubing lengthwise on the top above the shell, with three adjustable load bars spanning it. The tent could go on top and all your gear inside. The camper could be used or not, depending on your needs, an it would be indestructible. You could fit a small basket in front of the tent to carry gas cans and driving lights.

This eliminates one of the major hassles in a camper shell... getting down on your knees and crawling inside through the tail gate to get at you gear, and he weight of the tent, occupants and misc. top load would be on the truck frame, which can easily support 450 lbs. - perhaps more. :costumed-smiley-007

Just a thot.

M

[Mike S]

Could an angled piece of plastic/metal be placed in front of the `brick' tents to assist in aerodynamics?

I think a fairing would help a lot. Mounting a single bar forward of the tent, you could also use it to carry your driving lights.

M

[p1michaud]

Yes we have mounted tents on this type of set up, and they are generally strong. I would DEFINITELY check with the shell manufacturer as to their top load limits. They could be unwilling to comment on any load on their campers ofr liability reasons, but it is worth a try. I don't know what shell you have, or what rating it would have, even guessing.

Thanks for the info. The shell I have is a LEER model 100R and I will be checking with them for their load capacity. I was curious if you had mounted roof top tents to these rail type systems before and you have. I have used this set up for a roof basket, two mountain bikes and a 20’ canoe without an issue (not all at once!). I do however recognize that the rails are only relatively light aluminium and would be the weak link in the system IMO.

I have looked a Ramdough’s set up and like it very much. For my purposes I’d like to maintain full use of the interior of the shell but don’t wish to go exo-cage. What I did think of was to build an interior cage to support the additional weight. Something like this (Ramdoug I hope you don’t mind that I butchered your pic!).

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/p1michaud/Tacoma/Camper-RoofRack/Ramdough_modified.jpg

Like Ramdough, I’d probably use aluminium for this structure. :camping:
Cheers :beer:,
P

[pskhaat]

MikeS gives some good info on the AutoHome tents. How does the Hannibal and Eezi-Awn mount to load bars/racks? Do they have similar mechanisms?

[Ramdough]

P1,

Butcher away.

There are some real disadvantages to the way I did my frame. It kind of locks me into a design for my deck, but I plan on using the frame as part of my deck so I guess it will work for me. The vertical poles do get in the way when hauling cargo though.

One thing to consider is if you get a fold down front window. I have one, so my forward stilts have to be 11" off of the front wall so I can fold my window down. That makes my placement of storage bins a little awkward in that area. On your design, just make sure everything clears.

I often wonder if I should have built my frame more like the way you drew yours, but for now I am happy. Please post pics once you build your frame.

:victory:

[p1michaud]

P1,

Butcher away.

There are some real disadvantages to the way I did my frame. It kind of locks me into a design for my deck, but I plan on using the frame as part of my deck so I guess it will work for me. The vertical poles do get in the way when hauling cargo though.

One thing to consider is if you get a fold down front window. I have one, so my forward stilts have to be 11" off of the front wall so I can fold my window down. That makes my placement of storage bins a little awkward in that area. On your design, just make sure everything clears.

I often wonder if I should have built my frame more like the way you drew yours, but for now I am happy. Please post pics once you build your frame.

:victory:

Thanks for the tips. I do have a removeable front window and may have forgotten about it! I won't be building until next summer, but I will post some pics once the work starts.
Cheers :beer:,
P

[flyingwil]

The absolute ideal expedition rig would, in my opinion, be a camper shell that has side lockable side openings (like those that tradesmen use), and a bed-mounted exo-frame of DOM tubing at each end of the bed, joined by tubing lengthwise on the top above the shell, with three adjustable load bars spanning it. The tent could go on top and all your gear inside. The camper could be used or not, depending on your needs, an it would be indestructible. You could fit a small basket in front of the tent to carry gas cans and driving lights.

This eliminates one of the major hassles in a camper shell... getting down on your knees and crawling inside through the tail gate to get at you gear, and he weight of the tent, occupants and misc. top load would be on the truck frame, which can easily support 450 lbs. - perhaps more. :costumed-smiley-007

Just a thot.

M


Wouldn't this move the CG too far up!? There is no way I could do what I do with 450# that far up with out flopping onto my side! :yikes:

I like the ARE option, but wonder if drilling holes and such into the fiberglass would create weakness and reduce the weight load bearing... Which then leads back to a solution similar to Mark's and Scotts setup for P/U owners.

[Mike S]

Wouldn't this move the CG too far up!? There is no way I could do what I do with 450# that far up with out flopping onto my side! :yikes:

I like the ARE option, but wonder if drilling holes and such into the fiberglass would create weakness and reduce the weight load bearing... Which then leads back to a solution similar to Mark's and Scotts setup for P/U owners.

Will

I am not suggesting that you carry 450 lbs up high while driving - you'd just have the tent up there - maybe 100 to 135 pounds, depending on what tent you choose. But once parked you could put a LOT of weight up there without any concerns. As you know, a good rule for top loads is heavy stuff down low, light bulky stuff on top.

Using a set of QuicknEasy, Thule or Yakima artificial rain gutters on a camper shell requires only eight 1/4" holes be drilled at the side of the camper where the roof turns down to the sides. This area is very strong, and has very low flex. This is a good option for those who need the extra carying space and security.

One of the best executed truck set-ups I have seen is Desert Dude's Tacoma with the rack system over the bed. He doesn't use a shell, but has optimized the bed set up below the tent, which acts like a 'ceiling' above the bed. Mudrak also has a stout set up on his FJ45 trayback (shown below) and he takes this truck through the Rubicon and other nasty trails.


Desert Dude's Taco:

http://www.hunt101.com/img/408671.jpg

Mudrak's FJ45

http://www.hunt101.com/img/372852.jpg

[flyingwil]

Mike, I think I was thinking complete exo-cage and then a tent on top for your ultimate solution! I get what you are getting at. I have actually seen the Pasqual's taco in action and was most impressed! I think i get what you were getting at now.... LOL

[Equipt]

MikeS gives some good info on the AutoHome tents. How does the Hannibal and Eezi-Awn mount to load bars/racks? Do they have similar mechanisms?

The Eezi Awn tent utilizes an aluminum extrusion around the perimeter of the base of the tent. The extrusion captures a rectangular washer and allows that washer to slide anywhere in that perimeter. The washer is designed to hold the head of a bolt, and there are 4 of these that come with the tent. With this set up, there are an infinite amount of mounting options. This perimeter extrusion also gives the tent its rigidity.

My original set up was the use of universal mounts on a set of Thule bars on my factory rack on my UZJ 100. I mounted the bars on the rack as far apart as possible, drilled hole through the bars, and bolted the tent right to the bars. This set up seemed to work fine, for light duty use. My faith in the factory rack as a long term solution was not concrete. I think for a person not traveling off highway very often, this would be sufficient. Not for my type of travel.

I upgraded the rack a little. I removed the factory rack and I went with a set of 6 ARB roof rack mounts. They bolt right up to the factory locations above B,C,D pillars. The mounts above the B pillar are a bit different than the others and required redrilling. I utilized several load bars from Eezi Awn and I fabricated an 83"x48" aluminum rack to place on top of it. I mounted the tent to the top of the rack. I am thoroughly impressed with this set up. I'm about 240, and can walk around on the top of my 100. I have bolted my tent on top and leave it there year round.

Hope that helps

[TACODOC]

From my 05 Tacoma thread:
Looking for a rack to mount an eazi-Awn tent over my bed like this:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/100_0618.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/100_0597.jpg

Thanks to Mark for the idea. He has a CanBack, they dont make one for my 05... so I'm looking for an alternative. Anybody have a ladder rack or anything similar for an 05 Tacoma??? I just need a simple rack so I can mount the tent and still use my bed and retain my toolbox for overland.

I really like Desert Dudes setup as well!

Anyone in SD or OC know of any fab shops that could knock this out before the Trophy?

Anyone???

[Boston Mangler]

Thule makes a cool utility type setup that would probably work perfect for ya!

[Mlachica]

MikeS gives some good info on the AutoHome tents. How does the Hannibal and Eezi-Awn mount to load bars/racks? Do they have similar mechanisms?

This was taken from my mod thread (the link is in my signature)

Here are the mounting rails,
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/mlachica/IMG_6551.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/mlachica/IMG_6552.jpg

Mounting turned out to be a breeze. The can-back up rights used a set screw to keep the cross bar in place. The distance between the set screws happened to be the same distance between the mounting rails, so all I had to do was ream the holes and drill through the cross bar and the top of the upright. It worked out perfect. I ended up getting longer bolts than what's pictured. The nylocks didn't quite have as much bite as I wanted with the supplied bolts.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/mlachica/IMG_6559.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/mlachica/IMG_6562.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/mlachica/IMG_6563.jpg

[Mlachica]

Dave,

You should try Demello Offroad. I don't know what his work load looks like but with the right amount of cash I'm sure he'll build you anything you want before the trophy. You should have a plan drawn out with all the specifics just to make sure it's built the way you want.

You could trick out the rack to with some sort of light bar for above the cab, lights for your bed, and custom mounts for your gear that you frequently carry.

[Solid Taco]

I was looking at these as an option to mount a roof top tent. Here is the link
http://www.tracrac.com/general/image_gallery/tracrac_galley.html
What do you guys think. I like it in that you can slide out the tent when not in use as my truck is still a daily driver.
I plan to lower the upright bars inorder to lower the center of gravity. Only weighs 70lbs but with a capacity of a thousand which is more than I need.
4261

4262

[Equipt]

I've had an oportunity to see a few of these racks over the past few days, and they really look up to the task. Very solid construction. They have a slotted extrusion to allow accessories to tighen down on them on both the top and bottom, quite similar to the extruded slot on the Eezi Awn tent base. I believe this would make a great base for what you want to do.

[FlyingWen]

I like the tracrac idea. That set up looks similar to the ones used on the Adventure Trailers.

We are currently trying to figure out how to mount our tent. We also want to move our Engel and Two-Zone to the bed of the truck instead of the backseat to make room for baby.

:yikes:

[tele'n]

this is what i have done on my canopy.

i will be changing this to an external aluminum rack with extension so it is solid for years of use. See attached pics. my canopy will fit under this rack so it could be used with or without the canopy on.

i've heard only 200lbs is the load limit if you are using the side mount style! i've also found it will shift and move when used offroad. i can't ever seem to get it tightened enough to prevent it.

[Scott Brady]

Nice work.

Is that a Hanibal Tent?

[tele'n]

Nice work.

Is that a Hanibal Tent?

yes it is.... see attached pic.

this tent is awesome!!

[adventureduo]

As soon as my tent arrives , im going to mount it to my INTI roof rack. It has a aluminum rail floor. I'll post up some pics at the end of the month.:1888fbbd:

[erod]

Tele'n, that is a sweet set up! Got any more pics, mod thread, anything? I really like the tent/topper combo and have been contemplating it as an alternative to my current wildernest set up (see pic). Anyway, nice looking rig. Cheers!

[tele'n]

most of the other pics are kinda the same. i used those blocks of wood to provide the right spacing between the tent and the rack. i also made a groove in them with my router to allow the bar to sit in there without moving too much. drilled right through the tent floor and used some pipe clamps to secure it!
i am eventually going to move to a different type of rack like the one i posted above. much more stable and may even make it easier to setup.
i like the canopy idea over a camper because i can take mountain bikes, gear and still keep that all dry and locked while sleeping up top! dog has a spot in the canopy too.

[Boston Mangler]

As soon as my tent arrives , im going to mount it to my INTI roof rack. It has a aluminum rail floor. I'll post up some pics at the end of the month.:1888fbbd:

I will be doing the same with the African Outback rack! I have seen several posted that it cant be done, my reply is "Watch Me" :D

[adventureduo]

Why are they saying that ?

How is it so hard? its a flat surface... how much more easier can it get?

[blupaddler]

O.K...

Time to revive this thread.


Can those of you with Yakima or Thule type load bars post up pics of your mounting solutions. Also, if you have an Eezi Awn or similar, please add if you drilled through the floor in order to mount the tent.


Thanks



:box:

[tele'n]

...which reminds me... i'm going to be trading in my bars for the bigger rack setup i described earlier. i waited for the winter to pass so now it's time to start getting this changed out. the bars that i used are OK but the mounting system just isn't 'good enough' in my opinion. i'll post here when i get that rack installed. i also drilled through the floor to attach so i better be able to use the same points to install on the new rack.



O.K...

Time to revive this thread.


Can those of you with Yakima or Thule type load bars post up pics of your mounting solutions. Also, if you have an Eezi Awn or similar, please add if you drilled through the floor in order to mount the tent.


Thanks



:box:

[Equipt]

Here is an option that has been brought to my attention as an option for mounting to either the Thule or Yakima bars. It is called a Universal Snar, and can be found at

http://yakima.com/Product.aspx?id=97


The beauty of this item is that you do not have to drill your bars to mount the tent, and definitely do not have to drill the floor. This mount work on either the square or round bars and allows the mounting bolts to pass through and clamp around the load bar. I haven't seen it in use yet, but several friends are goin to try it out this week.

I prefer a heavier set of load bars if at all possible, but the sport bar style works well too. The Thule bars offer a flat surface, and thus have more contact surface with the mounting extrusions on the Eezi Awn tents. It helps spread the load. Hope that helps.

Paul

[tele'n]

Well a few posts ago i put a pic of a ladder rack up. i'm trying to get a pic of what should be the proper mounting method on the new tacoma box. i need something to show the guys i'm getting the rack from to make sure it will work. i'm not sure they completely understand that it is different than other boxes in how it is fastened.
any previous people out there that have it mounted on a new taco?

thanks

[tele'n]

anyone got their roof tent mounted above a canopy or attached to the canopy? can you post up some pics or thoughts on it?

[S.B.]

Hello - my first post here. I just got my 08 tacoma quad cab TRD. I was wondering why more people dont use an option like this:

http://www.diamondbackcovers.com/products_tc.asp
http://www.diamondbackcovers.com/images/photos/TC16.jpg

maybe it is the price? or the looks of all that diamond sheet? i think they are around 1300 bones. have not called the local dealer though.

from what ive read, the weight seems to be around 100lbs....less if you get the light duty one. and it can support 1600 libs. and its removable. I was thinking of rhino lining or powder coating it black. seems too simple, what am I missing?

thanks. this place rules bythe way.

[articulate]

Hello - my first post here. I just got my 08 tacoma quad cab TRD. I was wondering why more people dont use an option like this:

http://www.diamondbackcovers.com/products_tc.asp
http://www.diamondbackcovers.com/images/photos/TC16.jpg

Odd! I've got some pictures I recently took of a similar thing I built. Even used the Yakima stuff mentioned a little higher up on the page. I'm-a-go-dig-em-up. Hang on.......

[articulate]

Hello - my first post here. I just got my 08 tacoma quad cab TRD. I was wondering why more people dont use an option like this:
I'm not exactly answering your question, but I built a similar thing (had the welding work outsourced). The project is really quite simple, and you could spend about $300 instead, including the cross bars and other Yakima stuff (towers, etc):

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/rear_deck2.jpg

Sort of hit my attention because Paul mentioned using Yakima Snars on the cross bars, which I also did for the actual tent mounting:

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/frontier_bed_tent.jpg

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/nissan_navara_frontier_d40.jpg




Here is an option that has been brought to my attention as an option for mounting to either the Thule or Yakima bars. It is called a Universal Snar, and can be found at

http://yakima.com/Product.aspx?id=97

[Corey]

Just picked up the Airland a month back, and it is mounted to the factory FJ Cruisers rack via four Yakima 58" crossbars, and Yakima LowRider mounts.

http://www.pnw4runners.com/yotatech/6year/corey5.jpg

http://www.pnw4runners.com/fj/rtt/7thumb.jpg (http://www.pnw4runners.com/fj/rtt/7.jpg) http://www.pnw4runners.com/fj/rtt/8thumb.jpg (http://www.pnw4runners.com/fj/rtt/8.jpg)

Later goal is to move it to a small trailer such as one of those Chaser model, or a 416.

I have also seen an FJ owner who took off the stock rack and made mounting plates that go back into the stock holes in the roof, tnen added in the crossbars.

This way the tent sits a lot lower.
With it up high now, I can feel the rig getting pushed around more when encountering a strong wind when cruising at highway speeds.

[FourByLand]

Looks like you dropped your buttlight.

[Corey]

Looks like you dropped your buttlight.
Nope, not my Bud, but I did pack it out along with some other trash that hunters/winter campers left up there.

Just ran across this thread again.
Was surfin' here earlier in the week, and I ran across this thread.
http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5767

Looks like another great way to mount it to a truck.
If I ever had to switch rigs in the future, I think I would want to do something like that, or use a Canback system.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2100/2188693280_eeb2e3bf48_b.jpg

[pray4surf]

Well, I'm at this juncture. And wondering if there was any other conventional wisdom to be shared ...

I'm 'torn' between picking up a used fiberglass shell and mounting my CL RTT to the shell, or having a custom bed rack fabricated.

I'm also hoping that maybe some of the 'dead' pictures in this thread could be revived.... - As a reward for searching :)

Are there any examples of raised RTT mounting that allows use/access to the bed of my 98 Tacoma without putting the stowed tent above the cab height?

Rick

Edited - Stumbled across this thread/post when theferg revived it. Here is my final solution:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q312/pray4surfadventures/RTT%20and%20rack/DSC01723.jpg

Didn't achieve my primary goal of keeping the stowed tent at cab height and below, anything lower and my wife couldn't stand up under the tent (changing room), anything higher and I couldn't pull the truck into the garage.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q312/pray4surfadventures/RTT%20and%20rack/DSC01729.jpg

We've had it out for three trips as of this edit and both the wife and I love it....

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q312/pray4surfadventures/Big%20Bear%200809/DSC01962.jpg

[corbin8or]

I made a rack for my truck bed to raise the tent up a little but still kept it under the wind profile of my cab nad front rack so it doesn't effect MPG much if any.

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25199

[digitalferg]

I'm hoping to get into one of the smaller soft/folding RTTs in the next week or so here and I'm trying to figure out the best way to mount it to my 3rd Gen 4Runner. I'd like to mount it to the factory roof rack rails (no, not the factory crossbars) and its looking like the only people who've had an RTT on a 3rd gen have used either a roof rack, or thule/yakima solution. Both seem like sturdy solutions, but I am against the roof rack as it seems like just extra unnecessary weight (there's not really a full length roof rack option with RTT provisioning for the 4runner so there's no extra carrying capacity up top with any of them as the RTT will take up all the rack floor space), and I'm kinda against the thule/yakima solution as they seem to stand about 4 to 5 inches off the roof.

What do the RTT experts say about something like this:

http://www.defenderracks.com/catalog/DSMountingBracket.jpg

Defender DS Mounting Bracket (http://www.defenderracks.com/products.asp?id=69#self)

It's a total of 6 mounting feet. No cross bar. Is a crossbar necessary for all these RTTs? (All these as in the non hardshell type.) If so, is there a flat bar type cross bar that could mount in between these mount feet and the RTT? Do these mounts seem like a sturdy, viable solution for both mounting to the tent and mounting to the roof rack rails?

I've actually got a set of these sitting around in my storage unit so I'll try to get some better pics and such. Would be nice to not have to spend more money if these would work out...

Any other mount options out there for the 3rd Gen 4Runner that you'd like to suggest? Ultimately, I'm going with a trailer top solution, but for now I need it up top and would be nice to always have the option of moving it from the trailer to the 4runner for solo/two-person trips (yeah, i know they're heavyish and suck to get on and off).

-Ferg-

[davegonz]

Ferg,
Are you getting a Camping Lab one? Those have two aluminum rails underneath that you might be able to tie in directly to your mounting feet. Won't hurt to try it out.

You could also use some aluminum c-channel to mount your mounting feet to and use as a crossbar. This would give you a nice low profile setup (the mounts fit into the c-channel).

[digitalferg]

Dave,

The new smaller Camping Lab one is currently winning out for me. Size is good, price is awesome, and the quality has been proven well enough i my book.

The c-channel idea may just be the ticket--thanks for the input.

I've asked these questions in the new smaller CampingLab tent and awning!! (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32034) thread (and some direct emails) asking about these mounts and Fernando from Camping Lab has responded and he feels these mounts should work pretty well with this tent with the tent mounting rails running perpendicular to the factory roof rails. Otherwise, one would need some sort of crossbars if the tent is to be mounted with the mounting rails running parallel to the factory roof rack rails.

Fernando was also kind enough to email me some pics of the tent mounting rails and the mounting bolts. I'm 100% confident these defender mount feet I have will work perfectly.

Sounds pretty good to me. Running these mounts directly to the tent mount rails seems like a nice and low option (relateively speaking of course, LOL).

-Ferg-

[davegonz]

Cool. I hope it works out for you. Post up on how you like that smaller tent.

[timber]

Out of sight out of mind! All the rest fits in action packer boxes under the tent frame. With enough room for firewood, 10 gallons of gas and 10 water. chairs and a table even a pit to go. Low CG Too. You just loose all sight out the back of the truck and it adds an extra 10 min or so setting up or breaking down.
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=149&pictureid=835
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=149&pictureid=849
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=149&pictureid=850http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=149&pictureid=899
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=149&pictureid=1050

[wRadar]

Timber, what kind of rack is that (or did you custom make it)? I really like this option, as being able to get my truck back into my garage with a RTT on top would be great - especially since I may end up living in SF (parking garage central). :)

Thanks!
-Radar

[timber]

It is something I made out of 1 1/2" square tube I had laying around. The rack sits on top of the bed sides with 2x2" angle. It is held in place with 4 nuts I made that slide into the bedside tracks. You could probably do the same with another type of rack system but by building it myself I was able to get the top of the tent all the way up under the Bestop, That also leaves more open space below. The rack is overkill and a little heavy but I think it holds the bedsides together and supports the weight of the tent nicely. Plus I have found that its easy to store stuff and mount things in those square tube ends.

[wRadar]

Right on. I'll definitely consider that as a potential rack option. It also sounds like it's easily removable, which is a plus. I have an '02 that doesn't have bed rail tracks, but I could just as easily mount it to the rails with nuts and bolts for simple installation and removal, should I need to carry anything tall in the back of the truck.

Thanks for the info!
-Radar

[Youngunner]

I have a thread going over on the toyota section, but for those of you who haven't seen my roof rack setup...
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/40/l_5de04594962a41e5a2144baf670bef9a.jpg

I'm leaving it up on top during daily driving for the first tank of gas, then I'll report mpg drop. I can feel it at 70 mph, but it's an expedition truck now.
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/112/l_91dc3f66a72b40c3832519ca7df4d88a.jpg

[digitalferg]

Been a while, but I did end up with the smaller CampingLab tent and got it all mounted up with the Defender mounts I was talking about.

The tent floor is super close to the roof as you can see. I had to purchase shorter bolts to go from the tent mount rail to the Defender L-bracket as the included bolts would've hit into the top of the roof. I also am planning to add a second bolt for each tent rail to L-bracket.

I really like how it turned out. Unfortunately, I haven't really had the rig offroad since I added the tent so I can't really comment on the way it behaves offroad. I can definitely feel it dragging on the highway after about 65mph and can feel it in heavy crosswinds. And I've not got a chance to spend a single night in the tent yet either... :(

-Ferg-

http://www.desertcruzer.com/images/tent-defendermount1.JPG

http://www.desertcruzer.com/images/tent-defendermount2.JPG

http://www.desertcruzer.com/images/tent-defendermount3.JPG

http://www.desertcruzer.com/images/tent-defendermount4.JPG

http://www.desertcruzer.com/images/dsrtcrzr-2010-01-11.jpg

[Corey]

Just picked up the Airland a month back, and it is mounted to the factory FJ Cruisers rack via four Yakima 58" crossbars, and Yakima LowRider mounts.

http://www.pnw4runners.com/yotatech/6year/corey5.jpg

http://www.pnw4runners.com/fj/rtt/7thumb.jpg (http://www.pnw4runners.com/fj/rtt/7.jpg) http://www.pnw4runners.com/fj/rtt/8thumb.jpg (http://www.pnw4runners.com/fj/rtt/8.jpg)

Later goal is to move it to a small trailer such as one of those Chaser model, or a 416.

I have also seen an FJ owner who took off the stock rack and made mounting plates that go back into the stock holes in the roof, tnen added in the crossbars.

This way the tent sits a lot lower.
With it up high now, I can feel the rig getting pushed around more when encountering a strong wind when cruising at highway speeds.
Another resurrection of this thread.

With newer racks now out on the market for my type of rig and others, BajaRack sets the bar with making a top quality rack for half the price and more than a lot of competitors out there.

Compare how high my AirLander tent is on the factory rack with the Yakima bars, and now on a BajaRack model MG, MG standing for Maggiolina.

http://www.pnw4runners.com/pics/bos_5_15_2010/3.jpg

http://www.pnw4runners.com/fj/bajarack/2.jpg

Tent is much lower, rig handles better at highway speeds, and MPG has gone up about 1/2 MPG.

I will have better pics in August during my vacation.
During a heavy wind I still feel the rig being pushed around some, but it is not as bad as before.
Had the rig up to about 70 MPH earlier in the week on the way home from work with no wind, and it felt very stable.
Before with the factory rack I was nervous taking it to that speed, I thought I might have to file a flight plan with the FAA.

[Uglyduck]

After reading through this thread I didn't see a setup quite like mine (although I know its been done before) so I thought I'd post it in case someone else was thinking of doing the same thing. Its nice to have all the mounting ideas in one thread.

I installed Yakima Roof Tracks on my fiberglass shell and wanted to keep the tent as low as possible. Yakima Control towers were an option I considered but i planned on leaving the mounts attached to the tent when stored off the shell and spending $150.00 plus on them didn't sit well with me.
I went in search of some brackets that would suit the application and even designed some in Sketchup that a friend was going to fabricate when he had some time. During my search I ran across the Front Runner Tent mounts for $50 at Equipt. These are designed to be used on Front Runners rack system but I didn't see any reason why they wouldn't work with the Yakima tracks. I was days away from a weekend trip and needed them quick so after some brief emails with Paul at Equipt to confirm my idea, they were shipped and arrived 2 days later. I had to grind off a fraction of the bolt head so it would fit in the track and once that was done I mounted them with some help from friends and am quite pleased with the results.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/uglyfireduck/IMG_5307_product.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/uglyfireduck/P1010001-4.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/uglyfireduck/P1010002-4.jpg

[Corey]

That is pretty cool.
I have only seen a few roof top tents mounted to a shell.

[taco2go]

I thought I'd post this up for anyone with a soft tonneau type cover. For a while now, I've have been mulling over several options for mounting the tent over the truck bed for solo trips; and had a few criteria that the platform had to conform to:

Be relatively easy to remove/replace. (full use of bed, when required)

Retain use of the soft tonneau cover and rails. (I have one by Truxedo)

Keep tent height below or equal to cab height (garage constraint)

Sturdy enough for prolonged, albeit moderate off road travel. (dirt trails/washboards)

Accommodate the tent within the bed’s dimensions (to allow for a future bumper mounted tire carrier)

In the end I settled for a fairly simple set up that has held up very well......so far.

I found some old Thule gutter mount towers (1050) on ebay, and used three 58 inch load bars. Tent was secured using a set of RTT mounting brackets from Adventure Trailers.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm264/joashr/Miscellaneous/_1010153.jpg

The design of the gutter mounts allows the weight of the tent to be distributed along the vertex of the tonneau cover's rails, where the metal is the thickest and strongest. They clamp on viciously well- althougth if I was being redundant, I could bolt on some of Thule's fake gutters, for additional grippage. No bed stretching so far- fingers crossed.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm264/joashr/Miscellaneous/_1010152.jpg


A nice benefit is that I can still unroll and use the bed cover with tent mounted, for additional protection/concealment.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm264/joashr/Miscellaneous/_1010151.jpg

[Equipt]

Great job Mitch and Roash! The mountings look very solid. Unique applications to suit your needs. It's always good to see what can be done with a little ingenuity.

Cheers,

[taco2go]

Thanks Paul, the 1400 fits the bakkie perfect.
appreciate your help with my Q's over the phone- and quickly sending out those replacement tent rods.

[digitalferg]

I'm trying to find a good way to mount my tent about 8-10 inches above the topsides of the Tacoma bedsides. Similar to what the FrontRunner Bakkie pickup bars or Xsporter can do, but for a lot less money. I'm thinking maybe attach some tall gutter mount thule bars to the topsides of the Tacoma bed. Someone in this thread is using the rails of their soft tanneau cover which looked slick, but I don't want to spend money on a tanneau cover just to get the rails.

My idea is to run the thule bars for carrying the tent but also for carrying bikes etc. Maybe even at the same time if the fit isn't too wide. i'm also wanting the bars about 8 inches above the topside of the bedsides.

Anybody got some good ideas for this? I don't have a welder or any good metal saws right now so custom isn't really going to work.

I've found some thule artificial rain gutters that mount to a side or flat top surface that I think might work if the bolts are beefed up. #542 Thule Artificial Rain Gutters (http://www.prolineracks.com/thule-542-artificial-rain-gutters.html) I'm thinking bolt them to the topside of the bedside and then use them with the thule #387 tall gutter mount towers (which have about 8" clearance). Could also use the thule #953 super high gutter mount towers which have 11" of clearance....

I figure if I can find the towers and bars used, this can be a very affordable way to mount the tent.

-Ferg-

http://www.prolineracks.com/thule-542-artificial-rain-gutters-240.gif
http://www.prolineracks.com/thule-gutter-foot-packs-240.gif

[digitalferg]

I actually ran out and picked up some artificial gutters last night....

What do you think about mounting them inverted and on the inside of the side of the bed? I would think it would end up putting a ton of stress on each of the two bolts...but I like the idea of it better. Not sure the gutter towers would actually work on them this way, but they might. I'm gonna find some and just see.

My reasoning is that with the artificial gutters mounted flat on top of the bedside, it looks like the towers are going to be hanging over the side of the bed--which I don't want. But maybe the little bit that hangs over is acceptable... I'll see when I find some towers to try out I guess.

-Ferg-

http://desertcruzer.com/images/falsegutter3.jpg
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[paulj]

The rain gutter mounts (e.g. the original Yakima version) are meant to rest in a groove like the raingutters on older cars. The weight rests on padded 'feet' that fit in the groove. There is a clamp that fits around the outside of the gutter, holding it in place. I don't think those brackets will work except as intended, on the outside of a camper top, or in your case on the outside of your pickup bed.

I suppose you could bolt them to the inside of the bed rim, with the gutter on the bottom, and mount the rack mounts with the tightening knobs facing inward. The bar clamp on the top of Yakima mounts can rotate all the way around, since it is just held on with a 3/8" bolt.

[digitalferg]

Buddy of mine found this one over on TacomaWorld from All-Pro. They have them for 1st and 2nd Gen Tacos. Nice to see somebody making something of this sort. Not too bad of price for what you're getting. I would love something like this but about half the height and less coin is always good too... Sorry if I'm a cheap bastid.

I'm really leaning towards building something now. A good buddy of mine has a welder and tools so we're gonna try and make something up. Just don't have a tube bender. :(

http://www.allprooffroad.com/05tacomatrailarmor/tacomabedracks

http://www.allprooffroad.com/images/stories/Tacoma/trailarmor/bedracks/95-04tacoma_bedrack-600.jpg

[Corey]

I have seen setups similar to the one above on the forum here.
They were custom made, and that is probably how I would go with a setup like that if I had a Tacoma, or I would put it on a Canback.

[digitalferg]

I decided to just give the false gutters and gutter towers a try.

The false gutters are Thule 542s. The gutter feet I used are the 953s and they are 11" tall. (I wanted to use the 387s which are only 8" tall, but I happened across the 953s for a killer deal so I'm giving them a try.) And the bars I used are the 65".

The tent floor sits about 12" above the top of the bedsides and about 26" above the bed floor. When closed, the tent sticks about 3" - 4" above the roof of the cab.

The bars stick 6-3/8" past the tent on each side, but the fender flares stick out much farther and so do the side-mirrors so I'm not really worried about them being too wide. I may cut the bars down later though if I don't find good use for them sticking out past the tent.

I'm pretty sure I'll be stepping down to the 8" towers, but this works for now. I drilled out the falsegutters to take M8 size hardware as the stuff that came with it was about half that. Otherwise, the whole thing is super sturdy and isn't going to go anywhere without some massive force. Actually the weakest part is now the puny 4 bolts that bolt the tent floor to the tent crossbars--I'm going to add a few more bolts there.

http://desertcruzer.com/images/falsegutter-mounted1.jpg
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[dblosch]

I decided to just give the false gutters and gutter towers a try.

Hey Ferg- What made you change from the defender mounting brackets? Was it just to get the tent lower/out of the wind? After seeing your first set up, I was ready to pick up some of those DS brackets for my rig. Are they a strong, viable set up? I'll likely be mounting a medium size camping lab tent and sleeping a couple of good-sized people up there... also, did you end up going with 4 or 6 feet?

Thanks!
Dan

[digitalferg]

Hey Ferg- What made you change from the defender mounting brackets? Was it just to get the tent lower/out of the wind? After seeing your first set up, I was ready to pick up some of those DS brackets for my rig. Are they a strong, viable set up? I'll likely be mounting a medium size camping lab tent and sleeping a couple of good-sized people up there... also, did you end up going with 4 or 6 feet?

Thanks!
Dan

I used the defender brackets on the 4runner and I sold that rig and got into a quad cab pickup. The defender mounts might have worked down low on the bedside of the truck still, but I didn't want my tent quite that low so I never bothered to try them and I've since sold them. They were definitely perfect on the 4Runner--super low, but not so low that it was impossible to remove the tent. Had just 4 feet as there is only two tent cross-bars.

[dblosch]

I sold that rig and got into a quad cab pickup.


DOH!! I read the whole thread, saw all of your posts, and I guess I just thought your 4Runner magically grew a shortbed. :oops:

Thanks for the reply- I'm trying to decide between the low profile route, or planning ahead with triple load bars (for a slide-out solar array underneath the RTT...)

Dan

[bsl]

Hi all,
Nice thread! I am planning to mount an eezi awn RTT 1600, alternately a maggiolina/airtop on my F150, and I would prefer to have an over the bed mount.
However I also have a bakflip G2 folding tonneau cover installed, and it seems difficult to find an compatible rack off the shelf.
The alternatives seem to be:
- as shown by theferg earlier in this trail, use artificial rain gutters like the Thule 542 to install on my rails, and add an heavy duty van rack like the DeWalt 332 http://www.orsracksdirect.com/thule-332-van-rack-system.html or the frontrunner gutter mount legs with their load bars http://www.frontrunneroutfitters.com/Roof-Racks-c35/. This would have the advantage to sit low on the bed, and also offers a 500 lbs load for the thule, however would require some drilling on the rails.
- the Adarac agri-cover, nice 500 lbs load advertised. I could not find any review, only a short video
YouTube - Access Adarac Truck Bed Rack System (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egh0jmQ9ewg)
It uses the stake pocket holes for an easy install. However the load bars are really high (25 in. over the bed),
http://www.agricover.com/index.php/products/category/C204/

- the backflip CS, only 300 lbs load, I will need to replace my existing rails so it is quite expensive, and very high mount too,
http://www.bakliner.com/bakflip/bak_flip_CS.html

- there are plenty of other bed level racks (like the frontrunner truck bed rack, or the thule xsporter), but they mount from the inside of the rails so are not compatible with the tonneau cover.
What do you think, any opinion welcome ;), thanks!
(I hope to take soon the same pictures as below but with the RTT on the raptor...:wings:)

[Gifu]

been searching high and low, and can not find an answer. For those using Thule or even Yakima, gutter mounts...
how do you clear the towers?

this is a small columbus on Thule mounts on a 1995 80 Series land cruiser.

i'm worried that the weight sitting on the thule towers will crack the tent.70917

[wardrow]

I mount these tents often. What I have found is that if you remove the tent and install some auto / marine weather striping http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Hardware-Fasteners-Weather-Stripping/h_d1/N-5yc1vZard7/R-100175299/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 to the top of the bars you will fill that void and it will also get rid of annoying squeaks and scratches. Just my .02

[Gifu]

thanks. I'm just worried about the weight being on the towers causing cracks in the fiberglass.

[TRegasaurus]

Not too bad of price for what you're getting.

Checked out the link, and to say the price isn't too bad is an understatement.
when you compare this to the cost of a Thule system these things are dirt cheep.

[cruiseroutfit]

been searching high and low, and can not find an answer. For those using Thule or even Yakima, gutter mounts...
how do you clear the towers?

I used a stip of aluminum flat stock between my load bar and rack, just enough to clear so it make no contact. On my trailer I used some high density foam weather stripping and it has held up OK for the last 5 years.

[Detslider]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b53/Detslider/Frontier/9de52e4e.jpg


Custom frame built by Armor Tech Offroad
http://www.armortechoffroad.com/

[Mike S]

I mount these tents often. What I have found is that if you remove the tent and install some auto / marine weather striping http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Hardware-Fasteners-Weather-Stripping/h_d1/N-5yc1vZard7/R-100175299/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 to the top of the bars you will fill that void and it will also get rid of annoying squeaks and scratches. Just my .02

If you use a foam spacer between the tent mounting surface and the bar, be careful to check that the foam does not become compressed and thus loosen the grip of the clamp system.. This may cause your tent to start shifting while under way. In any case you should check the tent mounts before every trip.

[Fresno]

@bsl

Something to conside. Add a ARE (available in Tux Black with load bars). The Air Top is the way to go, but go with it in BLACK. Worth it. Ill post some pics.

[jeffrro1]

I have read all the pages of posts and there have been some good ideas. I have a 2006 GMC Sierra 2500 hd crew cab short bed disel. I like the idea of mounting the rtt over the bed but under roof line when stowed. I also have a toneu cover. It is nice to be able to cover all of your stuff in the bed so no one sees it. Anyone come up with a good way of doing this.

All of the RTT I have seen are mounted right on the roof. Anyone have an idea how much it would effect my gas mileage on this type of truck? I know if matters on the vehicle but thought I would throw it out there.

Always interested in hearing any ideas.

Thanks for any help.
Jeff

[Mike S]

Jeff

Impact of an RTT on mileage is affected by a number of factors...

- Shape of the tent
- Mounting position (including distance from the windshield wind envelope)
- Weight of the tent
- Dynamics of the rack that the tent is mounted on
- Horse power of the vehicle
- Your driving patterns and habits

The impact might be anywhere from zero to 4-5 MPG.

[clcoyle]

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[Wormfood66]

Great info, I believe I am wiser at this point.

Did I miss it or has anyone posted a pick of a tent mounted using the: Thule-422XT-Xporter-Multiheight-Aluminum Rack (http://www.amazon.com/Thule-422XT-Xporter-Multiheight-Aluminum/dp/B001PQP8D2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3EEWW8S590LX7&colid=1UF2BHU4HVWR2)?

I like the versatility this option would offer, with also allowing a tool box to remain mounted in the front of the bed.

This site is costing me much $$$, well spent! :)

[enzo]

Great info, I believe I am wiser at this point.

Did I miss it or has anyone posted a pick of a tent mounted using the: Thule-422XT-Xporter-Multiheight-Aluminum Rack (http://www.amazon.com/Thule-422XT-Xporter-Multiheight-Aluminum/dp/B001PQP8D2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3EEWW8S590LX7&colid=1UF2BHU4HVWR2)?

I like the versatility this option would offer, with also allowing a tool box to remain mounted in the front of the bed.

This site is costing me much $$$, well spent! :)

I have my ARB mounted on one of those. Ill try to post some pics up later when get home.

[YotaPilot]

4. Mounted to shell - This is a very simple and effective way to go. Most of our customers who mount tents to their pick-ups opt for this solution. Mounting to the shell does not need to be an engineering project. Most shells can be fitted with artificial rain gutters, standard cross bars, and the tent secured to the cross bars with standard mounting hardware.

Does anyone have any longterm experience with this? Has there been any fatigue cracking in the fiberglass from having so much weight on the shell and no rigid frame support?



8. Mount above cab - This may look a little weird, but more than a few of our customers do this, and report that it works well. This really works best with a extended or double cab truck. Standard roof rack systems are employed.


Does anyone have any photos of the type of setup. I have a DC Tacoma with a shell. I am not sure the load capacity, so this may be the best/most conservative option in regards to the cab rooftop load capacity vs the cap.

[tele'n]

i run a Hannibal RTT on my canopy and used gutter mounts on the side and a Yakima rack to support it. inside the canopy i made some reinforcements that run from the bed rail vertical to the back-side of the gutter mount. i just did this on one side as i have the tent hinging on that side so it has a bit more of the load on it when we are up there.
i would like to have a bed rack but you lose all that cargo room when you do that. i've opted to stay with the canopy setup and it has worked very well for us. i haven't had any issues with it cracking... about 5yrs. now but i primarily stay to FSR and such when we are loaded up. if it becomes really rough i just slow down.

[mjohns2]

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[Mike S]

Does anyone have any longterm experience with this? Has there been any fatigue cracking in the fiberglass from having so much weight on the shell and no rigid frame support?

Many of our customers have the tent-on-the-campershell arrangement. I have heard no negatives with quality fiberglass shells. I have used this arrangment on my F350 and ARE cap. I will have this vehicle at Expo - come take a look.


Does anyone have any photos of the type of setup. I have a DC Tacoma with a shell. I am not sure the load capacity, so this may be the best/most conservative option in regards to the cab rooftop load capacity vs the cap.

Go here: http://www.autohomeus.com/gallery/ford.php

[Mike S]

i run a Hannibal RTT on my canopy and used gutter mounts on the side and a Yakima rack to support it. inside the canopy i made some reinforcements that run from the bed rail vertical to the back-side of the gutter mount. i just did this on one side as i have the tent hinging on that side so it has a bit more of the load on it when we are up there.
i would like to have a bed rack but you lose all that cargo room when you do that. i've opted to stay with the canopy setup and it has worked very well for us. i haven't had any issues with it cracking... about 5yrs. now but i primarily stay to FSR and such when we are loaded up. if it becomes really rough i just slow down.

Suggestion -- if you haven't already, check ut the Thule Xsporter rack - mounts to the bed rails, adjustable for height. A very good solution for many people.

[YotaPilot]

i run a Hannibal RTT on my canopy and used gutter mounts on the side and a Yakima rack to support it. inside the canopy i made some reinforcements that run from the bed rail vertical to the back-side of the gutter mount. i just did this on one side as i have the tent hinging on that side so it has a bit more of the load on it when we are up there.

Do you have any pics of the supports? I would love to see this setup.

[pennieslj]

Suggestion -- if you haven't already, check ut the Thule Xsporter rack - mounts to the bed rails, adjustable for height. A very good solution for many people.

We use the Thule rack and have really liked it.

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[mjohns2]

Does anyone know how to mount a RTT like this person did. I like the added security of the tent being low and covering any items inside the bed of the vehicle.
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx275/ColumbiaRovers/Alvord_015.jpg

[cruiseroutfit]

Looks to me like its mounted to Thule load bars which are directly mounted to the bed rails. Would be a very simply install method. Downsize is the height of the Tacoma bed is very limiting in terms of storage as your standard cooler won't slide underneath.

[mjohns2]

You're right, I would like the RTT a bit higher, but I'm not finding many options for mounting over the bed of a truck that aren't custom made. Is there a special adapter that attaches the RTT to Toyota's deck rail system?

Also, I'm assuming the special adapter rest of the top end of the bed of the truck to be able to support that type of weight.
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