EP East Coast Fall Trip (Location Thread) October 20-23, 2006

[HongerVenture]

Okay, I think we've officially decided we want to make this happen. Additionally, we've decided we want to make it a fall trip. That settles it. I've volunteered to spearhead and I'll try to not disappoint. I want to officially determine a location. Please do some reasearch on the following options. I have included the name of the location as a link to a very basic website about the location.

Please post additional suggestions to this thread. Also, please post additional links for these locations. That is, if you have a more detailed link, post up.

I'll update this top post to reflect all the suggestions. This should get us going. As we start to clear up a location we'll start to iron in on a date. But for now, lets plan toward October 20-23.

1. Blackwater Canyon, Dolly Sods, Monongahela National Forest (West Virginia) (http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/mnf/)

-Write-up by 4x4Icon guy (Paul Provencher) (http://www.4x4icon.com/offroad/100904_canaan_dolly/index.htm)
-Flagpole Knob, again by 4x4Icon (http://www.4x4icon.com/offroad/010106_flagpole_knob_brandywine/index.htm)

2. Land Between The Lakes (Kentucky) (http://www.lbl.org/)

3. Big South Fork National Recreation Area (Tennessee) (http://www.nps.gov/biso/)

-Write-up on Joel's Visit to Big South Fork (http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/showpost.php?p=53033&postcount=2)

4. Boone National Forest (Kentucky, adjoins Big South Fork) (http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/boone/)

-Scott's Visit to BNF. (http://www.expeditionswest.com/adven...R212andFR2045/)

5. George Washington National Forest (Virginia) (http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/gwj/index.shtml)

-Pics of wheeling in GWNF (http://www.davenjeip.net/pictures.html)

And finally, to whet your appetite!
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b247/honger01/Trip%20to%20Smokeys/CreekCrossing3.jpg

[cshontz]

WV is a viable option - sounds like it may have alot to offer. I suppose I'm leaning toward this destination ... as long as I block the movie Wrong Turn from my mind.

LBL is a hike for me at 800 miles. I'm interested in LBL, but the further the location, the more difficult it may be to arrange. I certainly wouldn't rule it out, though. I'm only one person, and everyone else should feel free to chime in regarding distances.

Boone/BSF is also a somewhat longer trip, but still viable in my opinion. We've gone down to Tellico for a long weekend before, and this destination isn't that much different. However, I'm not clear on what these locations have to offer without more sleuthing on the web.

GWNF is close, however I've been there a handful of times. While it is a really nice place that I'd like to visit more often, I don't think it is ... "exotic" enough for an EP gathering. Exotic isn't the best word for eastern US travel, but you get my meaning. :)

I'll keep an eye out for more options. Thanks for getting the ball rolling!
:xxrotflma

[CLynn85]

I have no qualms against any of the above. And I'm confident in Joel handling most of the planning, but if there's anything I can do I'll be glad to help.

[OverlandZJ]

If i had a preference it would probably be the West Virginia area, only because i'v found myself interested in the area recently. But like i said prior, i'm flexible.

The important thing to me here is the opportunity to get a group together and meet some good people and form new friendships with others who share a common interest.

Joel where is that pic from?

[Wanderlusty]

I would vote for either West Virginia (I was born there and lived there until I was 13. It would be nice to go "home") or Tennessee.

I am at best a 50/50 shot for making the trip, but am REALLY interested. Just have to make my schedule agree with my desire to go.

I spent many many days of my childhood not too far from Dolly Sods, near Weston at Jackson's Mill, the boyhood home of Stonewall Jackson. My father helped disassemble, move, and reassemble Blakers Mill near the original Jacksons Mill building. A lot of good memories there. I think I even have my name on one of the pegs used to hold the place together (everyone signed them). We lived in Wheeling, up in the panhandle, but this was a lot like a second home growing up.

http://www.wvu.edu/~exten/depts/jmill/jmh_area.htm

Fun little fact: There are cabins there each bearing the name of one of the counties of WV, one such cabin is Calhoun. Well, one day, we had a VERY close encounter with a skunk, curled up like a cat right in front of the door and from that day on, we have always referred to skunks as Calhoun Kitties. Oh, the memories....

[Nullifier]

Well since Boone has no trails, and G.W. only has one open to regualar vehicles I would say both those are out. Of the remaining 3 land between the lakes has 100 miles of trails all of which seem to be open to our class of ohv. It also looks like a great area to do some paddling. Seems to be planty of camping as well. As of now that gets my top vote on just a preiminary scan of the links you posted.

All of these are a haul coming from Florida but tenesee is the closest. I would say if we go to tenesee we should probably go somewhere near murphy since we would be inbetween the 2 national forests and be cloase to to both the tellico OHV but also the OHV area in Blairsville , GA.

Have you looked into Uhwarrie OHV in N.C.?

[HongerVenture]

Joel where is that pic from?

That picture is from Big South Fork... it was mid-October of 2005.

[CLynn85]

My initial first thought is LBL just due to the shear size of the area and multiple opportunities for recreation.

There are however more than one multiuse trail in GWNF. In addition to a few marked OHV trails there are innumerable fire roads open to licensed vehicles. Just to clarify.

Here's a site with a bunch of gwnf pics
http://www.davenjeip.net/pictures.html

[HongerVenture]

Regarding Boone and Big South Fork, there are numerous forest service roads to explore and the O&W Railroad Right-of-way in BSF itself. Mild wheeling, but definitely plenty of hiking and camping.

Both West Virginia and LBL sound great... it seems like these are the two most favored. I'll have a better feel for WV at the end of June when I visit there. I've never been to LBL... has anyone here been there before?

The more I look at the LBL website, the more interesting it looks.

Additionally, I sent Scott Brady a PM asking for more info on the location in Kentucky he referred to in his previous post... I'll post up once I hear back.

Joel

[Scott Brady]

The trip is shaping up nicely! I really hope I can make it.

Here are a load of pictures from my KY trip, which also reference the GPS data

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/kentucky/DanielBooneFR212andFR2045/

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/kentucky/DanielBooneFR212andFR2045/images/DSCF2243.jpg

This particular trail became much more challenging, and was pretty remote too.

[HongerVenture]

Flagpole Knob would take us into Virginia, but it looks to be within an hours drive from Blackwater Falls in West Virginia. Over on his 4x4Icon site, Paul Provencher has a review of a Flagpole Knob run and it looks quite nice!

Flagpole Knob (http://www.4x4icon.com/offroad/010106_flagpole_knob_brandywine/index.htm)

So that would be an additional option in the WV area.

I'll add it to the first post... I've added some other links up there as well.

[HongerVenture]

The trip is shaping up nicely! I really hope I can make it.

Here are a load of pictures from my KY trip, which also reference the GPS data

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/kentucky/DanielBooneFR212andFR2045/

...image removed...

This particular trail became much more challenging, and was pretty remote too.

Scott,

Thanks for the pointers on Kentucky... looks like there is a lot more to Boone National Forest than I realized.

We'd love to have you come along! The colors out here in the fall are simply amazing. Not to mention it would be great for those of us east of the Mississippi to get a chance to meet you.

Regards,
Joel

[kcowyo]

The colors out here in the fall are simply amazing.

Yes they are. Hmmmmm........

I've been following this thread closely since I had to cancel my trip to NC this past March. I told my sis in Charlotte that I would try to make it out again, maybe in the fall for peak week on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Hmmmmm...



The trip is shaping up nicely! I really hope I can make it.

Carpool amigo?

[jim65wagon]

Flagpole Knob would take us into Virginia, but it looks to be within an hours drive from Blackwater Falls in West Virginia. Over on his 4x4Icon site, Paul Provencher has a review of a Flagpole Knob run and it looks quite nice!

Flagpole Knob (http://www.4x4icon.com/offroad/010106_flagpole_knob_brandywine/index.htm)

So that would be an additional option in the WV area.

I'll add it to the first post... I've added some other links up there as well.

Flagpole is very nice but if any camping were to be done there I would have to say Meadow Knob is a better choice. I think the view from Meadow is better (no houses in sight) and it has a large open area for multiple vehicles. Its only drawback would be the trail runs pretty much down the middle. For those inclined to do so there are a few trails within a short drive of Flagpole. If Paul would come on he could tell you quite a bit more than I. For pics we have a view of Meadow Knob, driving up the VA side to Meadow Knob (Slate Spring Road?) and a pic of Dry Run (nearby trail).

[upcruiser]

My recomendation is for the upper peninsula of Michigan, but I might be biased....:elkgrin:

[offroad_nomad]

I recommend avoiding GWNF in October for a trail run location for a few reasons: (1) October is when the leaves begin to change color and GWNF will be a popular destination, (2) many local Virginia and Maryland clubs will be in GWNF on the weekends, (3) non-offroaders will be in the area as well, (4) I would expect the popular trails to have some trail traffic on them, and (5) good camping locations maybe taken.

Trails in West Virginia don't appear to have as heavy of a 4x4 traffic on them as do the Virginia trails. Of course West Virginia leaves will be changing as well. But I don't believe there will be nearly the amount of offroad clubs in WV as in VA.

Something to consider when trying to pick an area for the meet.

[OverlandZJ]

My recomendation is for the upper peninsula of Michigan, but I might be biased....:elkgrin:

I was planning to hit that area on the way back from WY, was going to run RT2 into it. I'v been wanting to visit that area for years, someday i'll get there.


Sorry i havent contributed to this effort in the last few weeks, my desktop went and finally got my laptop. I'll start some research also but it looks like we have a good start on it....thanks Joel.

Just out of curiosity and to help us settle on a location, how many participants would be looking for other recreation vs sitting around camp or spending alot of time on trails?

If i have the opportunity i may wet a line, i see Nullifier commented on paddling and others mentioned hiking/climbing.

I personally am looking forward to this. :jumping:


:camping:

[cshontz]

I would enjoy going for a hike or something - I don't have equipment for much else, but I'm open to the idea. Its nice to get out of the vehicle and enjoy our surroundings. That's what the gang seems to do out west. :)

[jim65wagon]

Hiking=Good. I'm always ready for a fall hike. A vehicles main purpose is to get us to a destination, so we can enjoy things like hiking. It just so happens our vehicles allow us to reach destinations that others may not be able to reach. Of course out here (East) its a little more difficult to find a remote, less touched area.

[HongerVenture]

Sorry I've been out of touch on this recently... I've been in NHI Bridge Inpsectrion Training the last two weeks. Not to mention that I'm planning a trip to WV and GWNF over the 4th of July weekend. Once this trip to WV is through I'll start the planning/ringleading for this Fall East Coast trip. I'm very committed to making this happen.

Ian, thanks for the valuable input on GWNF, that's good to consider. One thing I want to avoid is traffic on the trail... and competition for campsites. Remote is the key... Big South Fork, being a still-relatively unknown location, may be the ticket. We'll see though... I'm biased. =)

Joel

[Nullifier]

Well I'll tell ya I drove up to tennesee this weekend. It was a last minute trip we threw togehter on wednesday and left thursday morning LOL! Townsend is just outside of Knoxville and that is a 12 hour drive for me! I'm guessing places like virginia will be pushing 18 hours. Lets count those out if possible.

I'll tell you that townsend is a great area to keep in mind. We hiked about 15 miles this weekend, went tubing, went to a great place that has live bluegrass music on saturday night. We explored the old town of cades cove by car and foot. We saw bear, turkey and deer. We also went to the tukaleechee caverns. It is a massive under ground cave system it was cool. Best part was we camped right on the little river. It was in a camp ground but it was still fun. There is an unmaitained road in the national park but unfortunetly I was pressed for time and did not get any info. I am going to follw up and get more info on that route.

The chilhowee mountains are right there and there are plenty of back country campground as well.

[HongerVenture]

Just got back from a trip over the holiday and...
West Virginia and Virginia are beautiful! We camped on the top of Meadown Knob one evening...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b247/honger01/MeadowKnob.jpg
And then stayed in a campground at Blackwater Falls State Park...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b247/honger01/BlackwaterFalls.jpg

And while I think these areas offer plenty in terms of remote camping, they are a little far for some. I'm leaning more towards Kentucky or Tennessee for this outing in the fall. This seems the most central to the general Expo East Coast group.

Any additional thoughts?

[HongerVenture]

Okay, to make a more definitive post, give me your reaction to this...

Dates: Friday, October 20th through Monday, October 23rd.
Location: Kentucky/Tennessee
Content: Remote forest roads and 4x4 trails; camping in remote locations as available/allowed, established campsites as necessary; day hikes and/or half-day hikes.

[Wanderlusty]

Sold!

[datrupr]

Man, this trip sounds like it will be a fun one. I wish I could take the time off to make out there with you guys.

Who knows, we'll see.

[OverlandZJ]

Okay, to make a more definitive post, give me your reaction to this...

Dates: Friday, October 20th through Monday, October 23rd.
Location: Kentucky/Tennessee
Content: Remote forest roads and 4x4 trails; camping in remote locations as available/allowed, established campsites as necessary; day hikes and/or half-day hikes.

I'm looking at around 900 miles and 14hrs from Philly (if we do LBL) certainly doable but at my limit for a long weekender. At this time i'm in :exclaim:

[Nullifier]

At this time I'm in as well. I will have a better handle on my attnedence in Sept when I get back from Idaho. I am leading a week long kayak trip in North Florida the first week of Oct but that shouldn't be a problem since it's actually a work trip.

[CLynn85]

Aside from pending college issues, I'm in for sure!

[91xlt]

I'm looking at around 900 miles and 14hrs from Philly (if we do LBL) certainly doable but at my limit for a long weekender. At this time i'm in :exclaim:


i am in the same boat!! i am scheduled to work all of those days...how definate are these dates?
if ther is any flexibility, would the week before be possible? i do understand this is not revolving around my schedule, but if asking for input may i suggest this. it would cut in half the vacation days i would have to use.
as far as location they all sound and look great!!!
just my $.02
respectfully
jeff

[Cowboy]

Howdy fellas -

This trip here open to anyone? Is this back country primitive camping or a national forest campground?

Thanks.

[Wanderlusty]

Trip is definitely open to anyone, even those folks out west, if they wanna make the trip.

Camping probably depends somewhat on the final destination, but I would say prepare as if it was going to be back country primitive camping.

:camping:

[OverlandZJ]

Howdy fellas -

This trip here open to anyone? Is this back country primitive camping or a national forest campground?

Thanks.



Nope.... ;) Good to see ya here Bud. :D

I THINK that most of the campsites for those using the OHV area are designated campsites.

[HongerVenture]

Okay, to make a more definitive post, give me your reaction to this...

Dates: Friday, October 13th through Monday, October 16th.
Location: Kentucky/Tennessee
Content: Remote forest roads and 4x4 trails; camping in remote locations as available/allowed, established campsites as necessary; day hikes and/or half-day hikes.

Okay, so if we change the date, does it exclude anyone that has already indicated they are in? If not, we'll move the date. :)

[HongerVenture]

Howdy fellas -

This trip here open to anyone? Is this back country primitive camping or a national forest campground?

Thanks.

By all means, please join in. In any case, I'm hoping for back country primitive for at least part of the trip. Sometimes I like to break up the back country stays with an evening in a National Forest campground to grab a shower. I need to make some phone calls to Land Between The Lakes in Kentucky to see what's available. I'm thinking I may make that our proposed location.

I'm open to input on any/all details.

[Wanderlusty]

The occasional shower is good....:D

Date is as good for me so far as I can predict this far ahead of time.

For me, it will depend on the progress on the house. As of yesterday, it has the foundation walls up. Rough plumbing and slab work should be done by weeks end.

We are responsible for a lot of the finish work, and the earliest of that may be happening in October, so that would exclude me, but if they aren't needing us to do our part that weekend, I am sure gonna try MIGHTY hard to make it.

Wish me luck!

[CLynn85]

Dates still work for me since school hasn't even started yet and the syllabuses haven't taken control of my weekends. I'd potentially have to bail out early to make it back monday though.

LBL sounds great, just hope the route provides for quick backtracking or an easy detour out to public roads, all still TBD.

[Cowboy]

Well Alright! Much appreciated fellas.

Haven't been to Kentucky before and am always up for exploring new terrain. My wedding anniv. is Oct 10th so I may need to negotiate this at home, if I'm still married that is!

[91xlt]

:victory: hey, i gotta say... i am getting pumped about this, i think we are going to have a blast!!

[HongerVenture]

:victory: hey, i gotta say... i am getting pumped about this, i think we are going to have a blast!!
:iagree:
You going to bring that new trailer of yours?

[OverlandZJ]

:victory: hey, i gotta say... i am getting pumped about this, i think we are going to have a blast!!


:wings: I can hardly contain myself. The Philly chapter of ExPo will be there in force. :wings:

[OverlandZJ]

Okay, so if we change the date, does it exclude anyone that has already indicated they are in? If not, we'll move the date. :)

Joel, will there be a date change? I return to work this coming Monday and will put in for the time off.

:1888fbbd:

[HongerVenture]

Well, I did some checking and I can't move the date. Have to keep it for set for October 20th - October 23th. I apologize to those who this may exclude.

Joel

[Wanderlusty]

That may exclude me, if my builder's schedule holds true...:( ah well...I just hope that this becomes an annual gathering...

I guess there still may be hope, but just ever so slim....

[91xlt]

That may exclude me, if my builder's schedule holds true...:( ah well...I just hope that this becomes an annual gathering...

I guess there still may be hope, but just ever so slim....


yeah, me to...we will see. possibly maybe an overnight thing, just so far for an overnighter.
:tent:

[CLynn85]

So is it definately LBL now?

Hope I can get all the little issues resolved with the jeep before then. Otherwise, anyone need a navigator? lol

[Cowboy]

Are y'all doing something during the day (hike, mountain bike, etc) or is this more like everyone camping in the same location but on our own during the day?

[91xlt]

are there any updates? definate dates and places?

:1888fbbd:

[CLynn85]

Well looking at mileage from blacksburg it'd be about a 8-9hr drive for me to LBL. Not sure how comfortable I feel with taking the Jeep that far in the middle of the semester so I'm downgrading my status to a maybe.

West VA's sounding better all the time lol.

[OverlandZJ]

OK, it's looking like a few of our far southern brothers might have issues making it in Oct. Specifically Fat Man as posted in this thread and Nullifier http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2010

Is their anyone further south i'm forgetting?

If everyone who still has plans to attend is further north perhaps we should reconsider WV and reschedule LBL in Kentucky for next years gathering?

Thoughts?

[Cowboy]

WV works for me. I'm about 505/50 on making it to Kentucky because of the distance for just a long weekend.

[Grouseman]

ok final destination? Dates? Just wondering?

SS

[CLynn85]

WV's fine with me, but I don't want to be selfish if that excludes the possiblility of someone else coming that was previously planning on it.

[jim65wagon]

WV's fine with me, but I don't want to be selfish if that excludes the possiblility of someone else coming that was previously planning on it.

Likewise; with school in session the LBL trip would be a bit tough on the kids for a long weekend. WV would make a much easier weekender with the kids. Don't change any plans because of us though; we don't want anyone put out from our lack of time to commit to a long drive.

[HongerVenture]

Wow, this is quickly moving to a more northerly location and I'm okay with that. I've PM'd Nullifier to verify his absence (or presence if he is able to make it). I'll let you know what he says or maybe he'll post here...

In the meantime, West Virginia may work out okay... its just a bit of a trek for me. At 10 hours, it will make it hard for me to justify the trip... I'd be driving more than camping.

I understand LBL is far for all you Penn folks as well as for the VA guy, so how much better does Big South Fork, TN work out for ya'll? Or the Boone National Forest, KY. That's on the eastern part of those states and perhaps it works out better. How does that change drive times for ya?

Joel

[jim65wagon]

Here's how the various places work out on my Magellan Direct Route from King George, VA:

LBL @ Golden Pond: 750 miles; 13 hr trip

Pickett SP @ Big South Fork, TN: 590 miles; 10.5 hrs

S Holly Bay @ Dan Boone: 540 miles; 10 hrs

Cave Lake (Zilpo) @ Dan Boone (northern): 495 miles; 9 hrs

Grandview SP @ New River Gorge WV: 290 miles; 5hr20m

Canaan Valley WV: 223 miles; 4hr20m

Did I miss any possibilities? LBL is highly improbable for me, Boone is better, excellent chance there. WV would make it a definite, but I realize that puts lots of other people out. Chime in; make your choice (or give alternates). I'm likely to show. If some of the "Out West" guys that always get their trucks in the mags would show I'd have to go just to see magazine material somewhere other than the bathroom!

[CLynn85]

Big South Fork works for me as well, I'm assuming you have the railroad grade in mind?

Is the date fixed? Am I the only one that gets off for columbus day making th weekend of the 7-8 a 3 day weekend?

[OverlandZJ]

Joel, has Nullifier gotten back to ya? Fat Man...how's it looking on the house, are you still possible? Is there anyone else interested in this gathering who would have a further distance to travel IF this were to move further north?

I personally want to visit LBL, and i'd like to do it with this group....but doing it this year is now going to be tough on me. But please dont let that influence others decisions.

Considering how many East Coast guys are on here now i see several organized trips every year, i bet every place we'v mentioned plus many more will eventually be visited by the ExPo Posse. :camping:

CLynn85...any info on this RailRoad Grade? I dont remember seeing anything when i was searching around.

[jim65wagon]

Future plans for LBL would be great, summer would be better for us as we won't have to pull the kids out of school in order to go. Big South is fine for me for a weekend (leave here early friday morning, leave there Sunday morn).
I would like to visit all these and more in the future, we already have plans for more trips next year.
And no, I don't get Columbus Day off.

[HongerVenture]

Well, I've got some bad news... I can't make this event unless we pushed it into November which probably isn't the best idea. I have my Professional Engineering Exam the weekend after the planned trip, and I really need to be devoting spare time to studying between now and then. I had thought that the test was the first weekend of October, but alas, it is the last weekend. However, I'm all about helping organize it, making phone calls, etc. to help this trip become reality! I REALLY want to see an East Coast gathering and it seems like many of you do as well.

I'm going to suggest West Virginia. Since I can't make it and since it looks like most of you are "definite" if that is the location, it just makes sense. I have plenty of GPS coordinates as does jim65wagon. Between the two of us we should be able to come up with a decent get together.

On our recent trip to West Virginia, we camped on top of Meadow Knob and had plenty of solitude... not a soul drove by as we were up there. So my first suggestion for plenty of 4x4 exploration and remote camping would be the George Washington National Forest (on the border of WV and VA). My second suggestion would be the Canaan Valley area. I can feed more info on that as well.

Any thoughts? Lets agree to a location and start planning the finer points...

I'm really sorry I can't make it. This test is huge and I'm really committed to passing it the first time so I gotta keep studying until :mixed-smiley-030:

Regards,
Joel

[91xlt]

well i have been working on my schedule also...not looking good. i will have to be counted out also, for the dates mentioned. PLEASE post many many pics!

[jim65wagon]

Well, we'll probably be making this 3 for 3 as Beth has a continuing education conference in NC that we may be going to. I'll find out tonight for sure. If the get together is not in Oct; how about in the spring of 07 or the summer of?

[OverlandZJ]

How did i miss these last few posts?

Is there interest in salvaging this trip if we do WV? Same date...or change it?

Saddens me everyone wont be there, although i realize thats a rarity that noone backs out on a trip.

[CLynn85]

So does this mean that everyone has officially bailed or been forced to withdraw?

[OverlandZJ]

So does this mean that everyone has officially bailed or been forced to withdraw?

Appears so....i'll be going somewhere....and doing something. Probably end up at Pa's Grand Canyon for a few days.

We should probably attempt another gathering next year. Maybe start a planning thread around Jan? Maybe we tried to get this together too quickly?

[91xlt]

Well, I have read all seven pages of this thread several times!!

There was/is a very strong interest by many, from many locations.

As we all know...life happens! Understandably as much as everyone would LIKE to do this...
...you know the rest.

Unfortunately with my work schedule I only get one weekend a month off.
In October it is the weekend of 14,15. My vacation time has depleated due to some personal issues, just not an option for me, for this year.

Most of the posts here where in favor of West Virginia/Virginia area.

Most did not object to moving date.

I REALLY hate to see this fall apart!!

If I may suggest we get together and finalize this for the WV location, for the dates 10-14,15,16.

Is there anyone else intersted in this? I believe it can still be done, maybe not to the extent we had anticipated...but, a good time can still be had!

[cshontz]

I still intend to participate. I was just waiting for plans to solidify before giving a final "yay" or "nay". Even if its just a few of us, I think we can still have a really good time.


If I may suggest we get together and finalize this for the WV location, for the dates 10-14,15,16.

I am flexible, and those dates should be fine for me.

:camping:

[Cowboy]

Y'all can count me in for a West Virginia/Virginia weekend. Let's hammer down dates.

Johnny B - Maybe we could do a Canyon trip for Thankgiving? I smell a turkey in the deep frier again! They open up a lot of trails for hunting season.

[Grim Reaper]

If I can get some stuff sold to free up some cash for a Gear swap and 33's I may be intersted as well.

I'm Flexible on the date. I have a week of Vaction already scheduled for first week of OCT but I can move it around as long as I can give a couple weeks notice.
WV or LBL is fine. Both places I would like to visit. Both are probably about the same travel time to get too.

[OverlandZJ]

Cool....we have a trip again. :wings:

Jeff, are those dates not the same you planned to camp between your Deer and Bear hunts? I think i see your plan, but thats alot of packing up and moving back and forth from Potter County to WV. But you know i'd like you to meet Cowboy and CShontz.

Hope fully with a new date it'll be better for a few more attendees?

Cowboy....we havent done a Turkey Day trip in awhile...last year my son went and they had tons of snow. I'll warm up the Turkey Fryer...:eatchicke

Chris, havent forgotten about you bro. I was expecting you and i going somewhere regardless of the outcome.

I propose we do the Dolly Sods area of WV unless someone has a better suggestion? I'v never been to the area, but i know we'd be legal and theres info out there that we can plan off of.

:jump:

[cshontz]

Dolly Sods sounds fine. Lets throw a dart at a topo map. :D

[91xlt]

Jeff, are those dates not the same you planned to camp between your Deer and Bear hunts?

I propose we do the Dolly Sods area of WV unless someone has a better suggestion? I'v never been to the area, but i know we'd be legal and theres info out there that we can plan off of.

:jump:

John,
hunting trip is in NOV.

Dolly Sods sounds like a plan.

Gettin' pumped again!!:victory:

[OverlandZJ]

John,
hunting trip is in NOV.



I'm an idiot... :victory:

Who's next to hop on board for this?




:1888fbbd:

[CLynn85]

Glad to see this is gaining momentum again. Although I have a Finite Element test on the 16th that may or may not prevent me from attending.

[CLynn85]

Does anyone have a ZIP code for Dolly Sods so I can see how long travel times would be?

[OverlandZJ]

The Dolly Sods and Canaan Valley area look to be about 25-30 miles? North of Elkins,WV 26241

Theres a few links to indepth write up on page one of this thread.

Here's the NF website again.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/mnf/sp/special_places_index.shtml

Monongahela NF covers alot of area...

[91xlt]

here is an interesting link...http://www.fsvisimages.com/doso1/doso1.html

[HongerVenture]

EXCELLENT!!!:clapsmile

Way to go XLT, thanks for resurrecting. As I said before, let me know what I can do to help with your planning. I can provide topo coordinates for part of the Canaan Valley Loop road. In addition, visiting Blackwater Falls State Park is a must! The waterfall is simply beautiful.

[jim65wagon]

Carl:According to my Directroute: From Blacksburg (airport road at VTECH) its about 4hrs 20 minutes to Canaan Valley and about a half an hour more to Blackwater Falls.

Do I have the right area?

Also; and please correct me if I'm wrong (don't everyone jump all at once!) but the 14th,15th and 16th are Saturday, Sunday and Monday? In which case there is a possibility for me to be there. I work till 1:00 on Saturday and would have to wait till then to leave, but as it appears to be a 4 or so hour trip that would put me there by suppertime:luxhello: on Saturday. And I'm off on Sundays and Mondays so I may be good to go!(crossing my fingers!)

[91xlt]

Man Things Are Starting To Happen Now!!

Awesome:exclaim:

A quick head count looks to be,
Myself, John B, Cshontz, & Cowboy as confirmed...

Grim Reaper, Clynn, & Jim65wagon with possibilities!!

Correct?

I think we can squeeze a few more members in...


:1888fbbd:

[CLynn85]

I'd have to leave early sunday to come back. Any thoughts on starting friday eve through mon?

If I can get this !@#$% Jeep running right I hope to be able to at least come up fri afternoon or sat morn and spend the night sat.

[Nullifier]

well if were doing WV I'm out. Thats like a 15 hour drive for me and 2-3 days is not long enough to drive that far. I'm probably just going to shoot up to Beasley knob, tellico and uhwarrie Try and do a big loop and hit all 3 maybe.

[Cowboy]

Is Oct 14/15 set? I could probably get Friday and Monday off but we'd need to agree where to meet up.

For those who can make this are y'all making this a 4 day trip as well? Let's pin this down so we can make plans, and repairs.

[jim65wagon]

www.fs.fed.us/r9/mnf/sp/dolly_sods_wilderness.htm (http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/mnf/sp/dolly_sods_wilderness.htm) I like the part about the mortar shells!

[OverlandZJ]

Is Oct 14/15 set? I could probably get Friday and Monday off but we'd need to agree where to meet up.

For those who can make this are y'all making this a 4 day trip as well? Let's pin this down so we can make plans, and repairs.

IIRC NF Headquarters is in Elkins...about 25 miles south of where we'll be going. That may be a good meeting location.

I'll call the Ranger District office there tomorrow and ask him about the area camps and report back. That may also be a good place to leave info for those coming in later...maybe we could even post our location and directions there.

[91xlt]

hey...sound great!!

i would not have a problem making it fri thru mon either
:luxhello:

[CLynn85]

Just curious, would this be camping in campgrounds as a base camp and exploring during the day or backcountry and packing up camp each morning before heading out? Don't know how expansive the dolly sods trails are.

Put me down for Fri-Sun morning as a definite maybe :p

[Cowboy]

For such a short trip I'd think we'd be better off setting up a base camp in the backcountry and runnin' day trips from there. I'd rather spend time exploring or relaxing than setting up/breaking down camp.

[91xlt]

:iagree:

[OverlandZJ]

I'll be calling the local rangers district later today for some info.

Looks as though Cowboy and i will be leaving the Philly area Friday am early. 91XLT and CShontz, wanna run with us?

[cshontz]

Looks as though Cowboy and i will be leaving the Philly area Friday am early. 91XLT and CShontz, wanna run with us?

What is our official date range?

10/13-15?
10/14-16?
10/13-16?

I should be able to roll with you guys - just need to 1) consult my wife, and 2) let work know that I'm going to be away on those days.

You takin' the turnpike I imagine? That's cool - that means I can probably intercept you as you drive through the area.

[OverlandZJ]

Here's a map you guys might want to print and put in your vehicle. Click on map's sections for regional maps with Forest Road #'s and other info.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/mnf/general_info/forestmap.html

Chris, i'll PM you. Need some assistance.

[CLynn85]

If it's 13-16 I'll be leaving here Fri at noon, arrive there ~1700hrs, stay fri night, sat, sat night, leave midday sunday.

Went home this weekend to pick up my camping stuff. Getting excited... Still need to replace the O2 sensors and hopefully that'll clear up my cold/idling issues.

[OverlandZJ]

I personally plan to be there around noon on friday the 13th. OOOHHH... just realized that as i was typing it.

Will be departing early monday the 16th.

Were working on finding a suitable backcountry base camp that can also serve as the meeting location. Hopefully everyone will know exactly where the group will be and can simply drive in to meet us.

Camp will monitor CB Channel 4 periodically. Will also PM my cell # to anyone wanting it, dont know if i'll have a signal though.

Ranger station was a dud...they dont fax camp and forest road maps...you must stop in and purchase the bigger ones. She advised me to call Senecca Rocks VC, they might have the maps.


:smiley_drive:

[cshontz]

Hopefully everyone will know exactly where the group will be and can simply drive in to meet us.

I think GPS coordinates will suffice ;) ... unless you're a muggle. :p

:camping:

[cshontz]

I propose that we make 10/13-16 the official dates ... however, if one isn't able to attend for the entire duration, they may arrive and depart, without consequence, at any time that is convenient to them. We should operate from an encampment that will remain at a fixed location for the duration of the event. (unless an errant lava flow forces us to relocate)

[Cowboy]

From southeastern PA we'll take the TP west to I81 and head south from there. Pretty straight shot to the Shenandoah Valley.

Looks like from the posts that JohnB, 91XLT and myself will be there 10/13-10/16.

If we can pin point a good base camp I should be able to find it in the WV Gazateer topo maps. Then we can publish them here for anyone that wants to join us.

Chris - you could always swap out those 02 sensors in camp as well. You'll have plenty of help.

[cshontz]

Chris - you could always swap out those 02 sensors in camp as well. You'll have plenty of help.

I'm Chris. He's Carl.

:jump:

[Cowboy]

Sorry 'bout that. I'll get these names straight before the trip!

[CLynn85]

I'm Chris. He's Carl.

:jump:

Yeah, get your own problem! lol

Jeep - Just Empty Every Pocket

[ppro]

Chris Shontz sent me a note about your plans to visit Dolly Sods in October and asked a few questions. He suggested I take a look at this thread too. I scanned the ten pages and saw my name mentioned a couple times with regard to GWNF, and thanks for that.

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/061006_trough/DSC01470.JPG

I'm going to blast some info here but seriously, it's just a suggestion and answering to some questions Chris has. Please don't take it that I need to see it happen this way or anything like that - just trying to help.

With regard to Dolly Sods, I have a fair number of trips under my belt out there and live a little ways from there. It would be ideal for the weekend most recently mentioned. Here is some info. I have sent GPS coordinates to Chris Shontz so the sweet spots don't get scooped by outsiders (which I guess I more or less am...)

If your group is mainly an outdoors type group that is not looking for extreme wheeling you will be rewarded with a wonderful experience in the Dolly Sods area. That weekend should be incredible for the foliage, which peaks around that time.

There are a couple spots that I have personally camped nearby that would suit your group. The only warning is that both spots are primitive and do not have any services. You would need to bring water and all that. You would however be rewarded with wonderful solitude.

Town is nearby and there are good restaurants (though not cheap...) and stores with plenty of stuff in Davis (gpscoord).

Thomas (gpscoord) is coming back alive and there's a funky store that serves decent food and some "antique" stores that are interesting.

I have provided several waypoints below. You might want to load them into a GPS Map program like MapSource (or use Topozone.com) to get them all collected together so you can see the layout.

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/070806_Blackwater_Falls/blackwater_3D_track2_070806.gif

Three of the camping spots I marked and used are on the Canaan Loop road
(past Blackwater Falls go straight from gpscoord; the loop road exits to pavement again at gpscoord).

Here are the waypoints. Again, both "wide spots" on the side of the road where camping is allowed:

gpscoords

One of these above I have used and one I simply marked as a candidate. You would have to stop at the marked spot and walk off the trail a little bit to see the spot because it was a little set back from the road.

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/100904_canaan_dolly/f6b14265.jpg

Another, which involves fording a stream is located near the base of Mozark Mountain here:

gpscoord

The ford can be done by stockers and unless the water is really high, should not cause anyone any problems.

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/021905_blackwater_canyon/dsc08305.jpg

This one is by far the most scenic but could be a bit crowded for much more than 6 or 7 vehicles/tents. Also, I have only ever seen it empty once in February in the four or five times I have been out there.




Here is another spot that WOULD accommodate your entire group with plenty of room for vehicles and tents off Route 219 at 717 and FR18:

gpscoord

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/071004_blackwater_canyon/dsc06019.jpg

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/071004_blackwater_canyon/mov06023a.jpg (http://4x4icon.com/offroad/071004_blackwater_canyon/mov06023.mpg)
(Movie)

It's a large clearing on a knoll and has a large field that can be reached on foot for anyone who wants to get away from the group.
This is near Olson Tower (gpscoord) which is a great place to go at sunset to see the whole area.

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/070806_Blackwater_Falls/DSC02080.JPG

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/070806_Blackwater_Falls/DSC02088.JPG


There are dozens of landmarks out there - I like Big Run Scenic Overlook that is on FR18 somewhere near here (it has a sign so you won't miss it):

gpscoords

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/071004_blackwater_canyon/dsc05973.jpg

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/100904_canaan_dolly/dsc07126.jpg



Check my trip reports for pictures and some ideas what it's like.

July 2004 (http://4x4icon.com/offroad/071004_blackwater_canyon/index.htm)
October 2004 (http://4x4icon.com/offroad/100904_canaan_dolly/index.htm)
February 2005 (http://4x4icon.com/offroad/021905_blackwater_canyon/index.htm)
July 2006 (http://4x4icon.com/offroad/070806_Blackwater_Falls/index.htm)





That weekend is the one after I go away with my wife for my anniversary but I might be able to go out there if you're interested in having me along?

Basically I could see something like the following based on times I have been there:

10/13 Set Camp
Check out Olson Tower at dusk
Hit town for items forgotten, dinner

10/14 Day two
Early departure
Wheel FR18 past Big Run Scenic Outlook and a cool wheeling spot I know
Continue through Douglas to Canaan Loop
Run Canaan Loop and break somewhere along it for lunch
Go up to Dolly Sods for dusk at Bear Rocks
Come back to Davis/Thomas/Camp for dinner
hit camp

10/15 Day Three
Early Departure
AM Hike Canyon Rim Trail (option)
Go to Blackwater Falls (option)
PM Go up to Dolly Sods for dusk at Bear Rocks
Come back to Davis/Thomas/camp for dinner
Wheel

10/16 Day Four
strike camp

[OverlandZJ]

Paul, thank you SO much! :bowdown:

I'm sure i speak for everyone when i say come on out, it would be a pleasure to have you along. Some of us here have never met each other....so no need to feel like an outsider.

Again, thank you and i hope to meet you on this adventure. :wavey:

[CLynn85]

Wow, thanks for the tips and pointers paul. I always seem to get lost in reading your site.

Could the GPS coords be PM'd to those on the tentative list so we can map them out?

[cshontz]

I've compiled a list of a half-dozen potential campsite coordinates based on Paul's information. I've also sent additional inquiries to Paul regarding privacy, vehicular accommodations, and other possible locations. I'm sure we'll have the list narrowed down to a few sites very shortly.

Original Resolution Topo Map (1920x1124) (http://static.flickr.com/90/241276025_d06f1d36d1_o.jpg)

http://static.flickr.com/90/241276025_d06f1d36d1_b.jpg

I'm personally leaning toward Camp6 if it is an actual campsite (it looks similar to Camp5 from satellite). Camp5 would be my next choice, as it looked really nice in Paul's video. I think these campsites would offer the most space and privacy of those listed.

Thanks, Paul! :)

[HongerVenture]

Chris Shontz sent me a note about your plans to visit Dolly Sods in October and asked a few questions. He suggested I take a look at this thread too. I scanned the ten pages and saw my name mentioned a couple times with regard to GWNF, and thanks for that.

Paul, welcome! I should have sent you a note before my wife and I made out trip to the Dolly Sods area, it would have made for a much better trip. Thanks so much for sharing your info for this Fall trip.

I'm growing more and more bummed that I can't go as this gains steam. You guys who are making this trip are in for a real treat.

Regards,
Joel

[Cowboy]

Paul, obliged for all your help! This is ramping up nicely fellas. I'm itchin' to leave now as a matter of fact.

My brother-in law just bought an 06' Wrangler and may join us as well. He's one of us. :1888fbbd:

I'm game for most all of the suggestions y'all have been throwing out. How many rigs & tents are we looking at now? Will these here sites handle our growing group?

[cshontz]

I've received further correspondence from Paul and he has made it clear that the Olson Tower site (camp5) would best suit our group. It should adequately accommodate 5-10 vehicles with ground tents, and/or vehicle-based camping platforms. He also states that it is the most accessible from town, though still remote, and would provide a great stepping off point for day outings.

Paul also provides travel times to the Olson site from Davis, WV.

Time from Davis on-pavement: 15 minutes
Time from pavement to site: 5 minutes
Total drive time from Davis: 20 minutes


Original Resolution Topo Map (1920x1124) (http://static.flickr.com/86/241671329_f7be0e0d93_o.jpg)

http://static.flickr.com/86/241671329_f7be0e0d93_b.jpg

Original Resolution Aerial Photograph (1920x1124) (http://static.flickr.com/91/241671177_6d79d1006c_o.jpg)

http://static.flickr.com/91/241671177_6d79d1006c_b.jpg

Based on the information that Paul has generously provided, I propose that we use the Olson site (camp5) as our basecamp for the weekend of 10/13-16. Most of the other sites were either unknown or ruled out with the exception of scenic camp4, which is otherwise viable, but at risk of being too small for our group.

What do you guys think - should we make it official? :friday:

[OverlandZJ]

I'll second... :wings:

Thanks Chris and Paul. :bowdown:

[ppro]

Thanks for the aerial image, Chris, and to everyone for the kind words.

This is a great place to have for a destination. There are a number of things to see and do, including just sit in the woods and listen to the crackle of the fire and the birds (with nothing else!).

For those who Geocache, there are a few interesting caches.

I've been here summer, fall and winter, and it's always been great.

Just in case there's any doubt, you will be at approximately 3280 feet at the campsite so plan on the temps at night being a bit cooler than you might expect for the lowlands in October. This is the highest county in WV. This is what we wore on those dates in 2004:

http://www.4x4icon.com/offroad/100904_canaan_dolly/dsc07135.jpg

It got cooler at night but I was fine in my 30-degree F bag.

I went back through my pictures and everyone looked comfortable in typical fall wear for daytime.

[OverlandZJ]

I'm growing more and more bummed that I can't go as this gains steam. You guys who are making this trip are in for a real treat.

Regards,
Joel

Joel, you'll surely be missed. See ya at the next one!

:campfire: :friday:

[jim65wagon]

Looks like I have an agreement with the family cooperative for a go on this one! It was touch and go there for a while as my son was opting for Dinosaur Land, but with that being a day trip we can do that the weekend before...and so; camp 5 looks fine to me.
We won't be there until Saturday afternoon, probably 5ish, just in time to set camp and fix some dinner. Some GPS coords would be helpful to find the right place. I think someone mentioned CB channel 4? Fine there too. Now I need those Geocache coords that Paul mentioned...

[cshontz]

Camp
N39 06.952 W79 35.773

Entrance from 219 (pictured)
N39 07.620 W79 35.090

http://www.4x4icon.com/offroad/071004_blackwater_canyon/dsc06019.jpg

10/13-16/2006

All ExPo members welcome to attend. Please feel free to arrive and depart at any time during the event. Campsite accommodates vehicles, ground tents, and vehicle-based tents.

:1888fbbd:

Remember to have a good time, tread lightly, and leave no trace! :)

[ppro]

Looks like I have an agreement with the family cooperative for a go on this one! It was touch and go there for a while as my son was opting for Dinosaur Land, but with that being a day trip we can do that the weekend before...and so; camp 5 looks fine to me.
We won't be there until Saturday afternoon, probably 5ish, just in time to set camp and fix some dinner. Some GPS coords would be helpful to find the right place. I think someone mentioned CB channel 4? Fine there too. Now I need those Geocache coords that Paul mentioned...

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/071004_blackwater_canyon/dsc05967.jpg
Canyon Rim Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=0e681b8e-a0f1-4a64-acd7-f0c6407ea531)

There are undoubtedly more that can be located by searching for other caches near this one, including
http://img.geocaching.com/cache/log/7c1c485d-5d65-4d87-a09e-0d1c43aeb534.jpg
Dolly Sods (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=24291581-6ecc-4fac-9869-a889699481f4)

ppro

[91xlt]

There is no "I" in team...or ...group.

This has TRULY become a "Team/Group" Effort!!!:wings:

It really goes to show the caliber of members here!!!:bowdown:

It has been an exceptionally busy week for me, only having a minute here and a minute there to watch the progress of this outing. I must say...I am impressed!!!:clapsmile

[OverlandZJ]

List of attendees looks like this:

ppro
Cshontz
Cowboy
Cowboys BIL
91XLT
CLynn85
jim65wagon
John B


Looks like a great group. :camping:

[cshontz]

The trip is shaping up nicely! I really hope I can make it.

Well? :ylsmoke:

[CLynn85]

Is studying around the campfire an option? :camping: lol Freakin finite element class....

[jim65wagon]

Carl; I'm sure we could all help you study! Of course if you want the correct answers...

[cshontz]

There were entirely too few posts pertaining to this trip today ... one! :smilies27

While we're on the subject, I took off work on those days. Now I just have to find a place to ditch the boy, and I'm set!

[ppro]

Any reason not to bring him?

[cshontz]

Any reason not to bring him?

I'd love to, but we're not sure how well a long weekend in the woods would go with him. I'd really prefer if he was out of diapers before going on such a trip. Plus, to a feral badger, he is a tasty morsel. :)

Not to mention, someone has to keep mom company. She just got a new job last month and has no vacation time yet. :(

http://static.flickr.com/82/241040435_898d362cde.jpg

[Grim Reaper]

Made another step towards hopefully making this trip. I ran the truck to FL last weekend and the Uniroyalpeicesofjunks about rattled our teeth out. Not out of balance either. At about 60mph they come out of round. So this accelerated my tire purchase and I found a really great deal.

Do you know how many 33 x 12.5's you can get in a 1st Gen 4Runner?


8 LOL

I am running over to Costco in a few minutes to get the bald 33's off the rims I will be using and the nearly new set of 33x12.5x15 AT KO's mounted. I picked up the from set for $350 including 2 spares. :sombrero: So Saturday we will see just how much pounding the floor takes to fit these with no lift. :smilies27

Actually the truck is getting a 4Crawler.com 2 inch body lift, a 1 inch ball joint spacer, 2 inch drivetrain lift, 2 inch tank lift and longer shackles in the next couple weeks.

[ppro]

Ah yes, the diapers... Now that you mention it, mine didn't go camping until we were through that...

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/old_long_run-kephart_072702/ted_mud_04.jpg

These days...

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/091006_trout_run/DSC02361.JPG

[cshontz]

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/old_long_run-kephart_072702/ted_mud_04.jpg

I think I was with you when you took that one, Paul. Geez, they grow up fast! :)

[ppro]

I believe that was, in fact, their first overnight camping trip. I gave them two dry runs in the backyard before we took it on the road. They sure do grow up fast. One I can barely lift off the ground and the other I can barely keep up with his tricks!

Yes, you were with us; Steve and Jandy pulled that trip together much like this one we're working now. Ah yes, there you are...

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/old_long_run-kephart_072702/jc_img_2221.jpg
http://4x4icon.com/offroad/old_long_run-kephart_072702/mvc-384f.jpg
:)

[jim65wagon]

I don't know how old your boys are now, Paul, but my kids (9 & 10) will be there. They like to go geocaching (treasure hunt; like pirates!).

[CLynn85]

Dropping off the Jeep at the stealership this week and telling them to "JUST FIX IT!" so hopefully it'll be in tip top shape for the trip.

If this one works out we should plan an east coast expo trophy event for next year ;)

[ppro]

I don't know how old your boys are now, Paul, but my kids (9 & 10) will be there. They like to go geocaching (treasure hunt; like pirates!).

They're 7 and 9 and yes, geocaching is in their blood.

Thanks for letting me know - they'll be glad to have some kids around!

ppro

[OverlandZJ]

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/old_long_run-kephart_072702/mvc-384f.jpg



Thats how i remember Chris...even a tad younger. I hear he's having trouble getting into his wardrobe as of late tho...(arent we all!?) :shakin:

There are a few variables for me around this trip. I MAY leave sunday for another week elsewhere.

I MAY arrive a few days earlier in WV.

I MAY stay for a few days after the gathering.

I MAY not make this trip at all, might end up out west someplace.

I'm being pulled in several directions at the moment, try'n to figure a way to have it all. :costumed-smiley-007

[cshontz]

I MAY not make this trip at all, might end up out west someplace.

Okay, that would ruin Millertime. :(

Edit: Y'arr!!

http://static.flickr.com/98/247570491_278aca3807_o.jpg

[cshontz]

What is it about this trip that makes it difficult to solidify? It's still on, of course, but there has been alot of participant fluctuation since the very beginning. I suspect there are supernatural forces at work - spirits communing with us on a subconscious level, silently urging us to establish other plans. Could it be for our well-being?

For instance, I just noticed John's "maybe-backing-out" post was on the 13th page of the thread - for a trip that begins on Friday the 13th ... of October, no less! Only weeks before Samhain!

What is going to happen to us when we do go? What lives in those woods? This trip is cursed.

Wrong Turn (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0295700/)

Mothman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman)

[OverlandZJ]

Okay, that would ruin Millertime. :(

http://static.flickr.com/98/247570491_278aca3807_o.jpg

Miller....i have higher standards...Bud. :sombrero: The odds of me not making it at all are slim Chris.

[jim65wagon]

What is going to happen to us when we do go? What lives in those woods? This trip is cursed.

Ever see Deliverance?:smileeek:

[ppro]

OK, now being a recently established West Virginian let me say that nothing like "Wrong Turn" ever happened in WV. Those vehicles don't have enough rust and the women have too many teeth...

:smilies27

[jim65wagon]

OK, now being a recently established West Virginian let me say that nothing like "Wrong Turn" ever happened in WV. Those vehicles don't have enough rust and the women have too many teeth...

:smilies27
:jump:

[OverlandZJ]

I have to pull out guys.....i'm actually not gonna be able to go anywhere.

Long story short. I returned back to work after surgery and company relocated to Maryland, they renig'd on their promise to reimburse me my travel expenses of $200+ week. I had no choice but to resign... Just found out they are fighting my UC benefits. Sorry Guys...really.

Hope evryone has a blast...and tip a few for me. I WILL be at the next one....that we'll start planning right after you guys get back!


:1888fbbd: :campfire:

[cshontz]

I have to pull out guys.....i'm actually not gonna be able to go anywhere.

Long story short. I returned back to work after surgery and company relocated to Maryland, they renig'd on their promise to reimburse me my travel expenses of $200+ week. I had no choice but to resign... Just found out they are fighting my UC benefits. Sorry Guys...really.

Hope evryone has a blast...and tip a few for me. I WILL be at the next one....that we'll start planning right after you guys get back!

Sorry to hear that, John. That's not cool of your former employer. Hope you get things sorted out! We'll be thinking of ya, and look forward to getting out with ya sometime soon! :friday:

[jim65wagon]

Yes, John, we are all sorry you won't be there. I'm rather excited to actually meet all these people I've been talking to all this time; and sorry we won't be able to meet John this time around. Hope you get everything situated soon and maybe we can do this as an annual event.

"The First Annual East Coast Expedition Portal Junket" (or Gathering, Expedition, Camp, whatever term you want to use to call our little git-together)

[cshontz]

"The First Annual East Coast Expedition Portal Junket" (or Gathering, Expedition, Camp, whatever term you want to use to call our little git-together)

How about "box social"? :D

The thread has quieted down since the trip solidified. Everyone still out there and excited for the trip? :)

[jim65wagon]

Starting to plan foods to pack. Beverages. Some places I've needed to bring my own firewood. Yeah, I'm still in.:camping:

[ppro]

I am still planning on going.

As for wood, there is some dead wood laying around the site and the IGA and a couple places in Davis sells bundles of firewood for reasonable prices. For the weight it represents, I plan to get it on my way through town. Matter of fact, I probably will make a shopping list for the grocery store and pick up most of my food there too. That way I can use my cooler to transport something else - my sleeping bag usually fits!

[91xlt]

have been very busy...i too still plan on attending.

john...very sorry to hear your situation, you can ride shotgun if you would like? if you can squeeze trip into your time schedule?

[CLynn85]

I still plan to attend and still very excited. A bit concerned that school stuff's going to hit the fan about that time but we shall see. Going to put the hard top back on the jeep this weekend and make a sleeping platform.

[jim65wagon]

Carl, I thought you weren't going to worry about school since we'll all be there to help you study! By the time we're through you'll know everything!(or nothing)

[DBS311]

If you can reschedule for 2008, add my name to the list. I've been following this thread with interest because I am from NoVa but now reside in San Diego. Unfortunately I wasn't into wheeling while living in VA, but I can't wait to move back and hit up some east coast trails (moving back Jan of '08). Funny thing, I have a ski cabin on six acres in Canaan Valley. If this event becomes an annual thing we could always base camp at my cabin. Plenty of room for vehicles and their drivers. Then again, that wouldn't be roughing it, would it??

[Grim Reaper]

If you can reschedule for 2008, add my name to the list. I've been following this thread with interest because I am from NoVa but now reside in San Diego. Unfortunately I wasn't into wheeling while living in VA, but I can't wait to move back and hit up some east coast trails (moving back Jan of '08). Funny thing, I have a ski cabin on six acres in Canaan Valley. If this event becomes an annual thing we could always base camp at my cabin. Plenty of room for vehicles and their drivers. Then again, that wouldn't be roughing it, would it??


No but we would have a place to keep the beer cold. LOL

[Grim Reaper]

I'm still in the air. That weekend is a busy one. There is a Airstream event I want to go to in Nort GA, My club has a clean up dary at Beasly Knob ORV and this event. I still don't have my truck trail preped either. :confused:

[CLynn85]

Carl, I thought you weren't going to worry about school since we'll all be there to help you study! By the time we're through you'll know everything!(or nothing)

In that case I suppose it's a good thing I'm taking the class Pass/Fail lol.

[CLynn85]

Jeez my trip's getting shorter all the time. As of right now it looks like I'll still be showing up fri afternoon but I might have to pack it in sat eve and head on back down the road. Stuff's just piling up waaaay too fast.

[ppro]

I'm still in - expecting to arrive Friday afternoon and leave Sunday afternoon

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/100904_canaan_dolly/dsc07125.jpg

ppro

[cshontz]

I'm in as well - Friday until Monday. In fact, the trip is constantly on my mind now. I'm really excited! Looking forward to seeing everyone!

:1888fbbd:

[The Swiss]

ppro.

Nice you made it over here, it has been a while (maybe you remember donkey boy from over at JU). I have not been over there for a while since I traded my WJ for a Taco.

Guys, there is unluckily just about a 5% chance I can make it to the meet.

[jim65wagon]

We're still on for Saturday eve (we'll wave as we pass by you Carl) till Monday morning. See you all on Saturday.

[cshontz]

I was picking through this thread to try to get a head-count. This is what I came up with. Handy to put names with vehicles. How does this look?


jeff (bronco) friday - monday?
carl (tj) friday - saturday?
jim & beth (tundra) saturday - monday
paul & kids (black tj) friday - sunday
paul (yj) friday - monday?
fred (tj, paul's bro in-law) friday - monday?
chris (gray xj) friday - monday


Is anyone else able to attend? Any lurkers out there who plan on dropping in by surprise? If so, please feel free to chime in. (no stalkers or psychos please)

How are you doing, Carl? Any chance you could grind this week to enjoy a nice full weekend with us?

How about you, John? Your situation still the same? It'd be great to have you, but we understand if you can't.

10-Day Forecast, Davis, WV (http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/tenday/USWV0189?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_driving)

:camping:

[OverlandZJ]

How about you, John? Your situation still the same? It'd be great to have you, but we understand if you can't.



:camping:

Situation still the same, were still living on one paycheck which is my wifes. I have a hearing scheduled for the 20th of this month, hopefully i'll get what i feel i'm entitled to.

I'm embarased about this guys, it was my idea that we have this gathering and through all the hard work and sacrifices everyone was making to attend i ended up having to bow out.

It's been a tough year for me health and professionally speaking. But my family is tight and were fighting through it and will emerge stronger.

Hoping everyone has a blast, take tons of pics and tip a few for me.

BTW....those who PM'd me with offers of assistance so i could attend this trip....your class acts! There are some incredibly generous people on this board...including my best friend (of 20 years) Cowboy. Thank You all for thinking of me.

[CLynn85]

By a strange twist of fate I'm still in for at least friday pm - saturday pm.

John, sorry you're still not able to come, thanks though for relighting a fire under this one and helping to get it all sorted out again.

[ppro]

:camping:

Thanks for the head-count. I 'm not following well enough to audit it so I will put my faith in you Chris.

Thanks also for the weather forecast - that's why I was logging on.

Put the weather in context. The daytime high on Friday predicted to be Highs in the mid 30s and lows in the upper 20s. Times of sun and clouds.
Saturday: Sunshine. Highs in the low 40s and lows in the low 30s. Precipitation change about 20%.

Here's the thing: This area is the highest elevation in West Virginia - about 3700 feet at the campsite. Though it is well shielded with trees, there will be wind when we are out and about. Also I would translate that 20% chance of precipitation to be delivered as snow if it comes.

I camped here this same weekend a couple years ago and it was very tolerable but please please be sure you are ready for cold days and even colder nights!

:campfire: :campfire: :campfire: :1888fbbd: :campfire: :campfire: :campfire:

[cshontz]

I picked up a new tent today in preparation for the WV trip - a Coleman Cimarron. This replaces a small, decrepit, three man tent that I have. We also have an enormous family tent that would be entirely too cumbersome for the trip.

http://static.flickr.com/115/266641490_243b45b2b7.jpg

Hoping to acquire a roof-top tent in the future. Until then, this Coleman seems like a good value. :)

:camping:

[ppro]

We've got the huge family tent and the space need to go with it. The small tent I got for the boys is too small for the three of us so be ready for the condo!

[ppro]

http://www.dto.com/images/managed/2385.jpg

Winter Camping Tips (http://www.dto.com/camping/article.jsp?articleid=482)

Winter Camping Checklist
Before setting out, check your list to make sure you have every item you need.

Here are essential items that a winter camper should never leave home without:

__ Thermal socks and underwear
__ Easily layered clothing
__ Insulated gloves, boots, caps
__ Flashlight, extra batteries and bulbs
__ Signal mirror and whistle
__ Maps and compass
__ Cell phone and extra battery
__ Pocketknife (or Gerber or similar multi-tool)
__ First-aid kit
__ Waterproof matches in container
__ Candles and other fire-starters
__ Emergency change of clothing
__ Emergency food (C-rations, MREs, freeze-dried meals)
__ Water-purification tablets or filter unit
__ Snow shovel
__ Ax or hatchet
__ Waterproof bags
__ Sleeping bag (low temperature rating) and insulated sleeping pad
__ Space blanket and waterproof ground cloth
__ Cooking equipment, fuel and food
__ Water containers (insulated if possible)
__ Can-opener
__ Toiletries

[ppro]

Just throwing these things out as they come to me.

There is a local grocery store and outdoor supply both in the same building - it's an IGA located in Davis. ( N39 07.752 W79 27.728 (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.1292&lon=-79.46213&datum=nad83&u=7&layer=DRG&size=l&s=25) )

I am planning on getting my perishable foods for breakfasts, lunch and snacks there when I arrive in town. I am thinking it might be easy to eat dinners in town but we can work that out.

I am planning on getting firewood there as well, though I think there is a place at one of the gas stations on the way down the hill toward Thomas that might sell it too. (N39 8.83 W79 29.92 (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.14705&lon=-79.49867&datum=nad83&u=7&layer=DRG&size=l&s=25))

However you choose to do it, I would recommend each group bring a few armloads of firewood so that we have a good supply for morning and evening fires. There's not much deadwood around the camp site and town is close but not that close.

Trail Entrance ( N39 07.565 W79 35.159 (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.12687&lon=-79.58467&s=25&size=l&u=7&datum=nad83&layer=DRG) )
Camp Site Entrance off hardpack road (N39 06.882 W79 35.794 (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.1147&lon=-79.59657&datum=nad83&u=7&layer=DRG&size=l&s=50))
Camp Site (N39 06.943 W79 35.758 (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.11572&lon=-79.59597&datum=nad83&u=7&layer=DRG&size=l&s=50) )

[CLynn85]

Ok Guys I've been hanging on to this as long as I can but I'm going to have to bail. My winter weather gear isn't up to snuff (just realized everything but my cheap stuff is back home) and I may need to run a "special" errand friday or saturday. 10 hrs was a lot of driving for an overnight trip to begin with anyways I guess.

Sorry to bail at the last minute but I didn't want to abandon hope to early. Maybe we can get something together in the spring.

:camping:

[cshontz]

Ok Guys I've been hanging on to this as long as I can but I'm going to have to bail. My winter weather gear isn't up to snuff (just realized everything but my cheap stuff is back home) and I may need to run a "special" errand friday or saturday. 10 hrs was a lot of driving for an overnight trip to begin with anyways I guess.

No problem, Carl. Looking forward to getting together with you another time. :)

[cshontz]

I am pretty much packed - except for last minute items such as my clothes bag and stocking the fridge. Good times! :elkgrin:

N39 06.943 W79 35.758, here we come!!! :smiley_drive:

:1888fbbd:

[ppro]

I'm planning on leaving when my kids get home from school. That puts me on location at about 6pm.

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/091606_holly_river/DSC02385.JPG

[ppro]

For those who will attend this weekend, I am posting a GPX file which contains waypoints and tracks for likely destinations this weekend.

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/070806_Blackwater_Falls/blackwater_3D_track2_070806.gif

It also has waypoints for the 100 closest Geocaches...

Please contact me for the URL.

ppro

[cshontz]

I just spent the last hour looking for a single glove. It was under a vacuum cleaner in the coat closet. That's enough to make you nuts - I'll tell you what. :mad:

[ppro]

I'm just working my list...

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/093005_flagpole_knob/dsc08825.jpg (http://4x4icon.com/offroad/camp/campsite_list_blank.htm)

Extra gas... No Extra Gas... Gas...

[CLynn85]

Man I wish that was my jeep all loaded down :smiley_drive:

Have fun guys. :beer:

[ppro]

ETA 2-3 hours

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/100606_holly_river/MOV02834A.JPG (http://4x4icon.com/offroad/100606_holly_river/MOV02834.MPG)
(Click for short movie) :lurk:
See you there!

ppro

[jim65wagon]

ppro; your tires make a wonderful hum. I'm packing today and leaving tomorrow by about 1:30 pm we should be there right before dark. Just soon enough to unload and setup camp. Later.

[Wanderlusty]

Man, I am so jealous. I really wish I coulda made it. Hopefully this is a "1st Annual" and I can make year #2.

[ppro]

We missed those who did not come along, and enjoyed those who did! I am just landing exhausted after three days full to the brim of driving with fall foliage, camping, wheeling, hiking, geocaching, climbing, and needless to say, photography. Stay tuned for the details.

[ppro]

Chris, Jim and Family are probably wrapping up their trip today. Here are a couple teasers showing what we saw. Many more to follow on our sites...

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/101406_blackwater_canyon/DSC02900.JPG

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/101406_blackwater_canyon/DSC02956.JPG

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/101406_blackwater_canyon/DSC02968.JPG

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/101406_blackwater_canyon/DSC03000.JPG

[ppro]

I will probably update this again later but here's the draft version...(caution dial-up users)

Blackwater Canyon, Dolly Sods (http://4x4icon.com/offroad/101406_blackwater_canyon/index.htm)

It was a great weekend. Thanks Chris for inviting me along!

http://4x4icon.com/offroad/101406_blackwater_canyon/DSC02839.JPG

[cshontz]

Mods,
Can you please move thread to Completed Adventures and Events, omit "(Location Thread)" from the title, and change date to October 13-16, 2006?

:littlefriend:

I'm home! It was a pleasure meeting everyone! Paul, it is insane that you have such a concise trip report so soon. Great job! I had pretty much the best time in the world --- ever. We need to do this again soon. I'll be back later with more. :)

[articulate]

I peek into this thread every once in a while....

So did this get bumped ahead a week from October 20-23? And you've already done the gathering? Or were these shots from a pre-run of sorts?

Whatever goes, sweet photos boys.

:beer:
Mark

[cshontz]

I peek into this thread every once in a while....

So did this get bumped ahead a week from October 20-23? And you've already done the gathering? Or were these shots from a pre-run of sorts?

Whatever goes, sweet photos boys.

:beer:
Mark

The title date was the original proposed date. It ultimately got bumped ahead to the weekend of 10/13-16. I put a request in to the mods via PM to have the title changed.

We have great stories and pictures to share. I took 429 pictures that I am filtering as we speak. I'm sure a handful of them will be omitted. Thanks for checking in, Mark. :)

[articulate]

The title date was the original proposed date. It ultimately got bumped ahead to the weekend of 10/13-16. I put a request in to the mods via PM to have the title changed.

We have great stories and pictures to share. I took 429 pictures that I am filtering as we speak. I'm sure a handful of them will be omitted. Thanks for checking in, Mark. :)
Gotcha! Well, good deal! Getting together for adventure beats talking about it on the 'net any day of the week.

"a handful" :) that 's funny. I can't wait to see 'em.

Now the mods around here aren't your run-of-the-mill internet geeks. Bless their souls, they're acutally planning and executing trips. Someone will be by to move this sucker and change the title.

[cshontz]

There is nothing more uncomfortable than waking up in the middle of the night to find that you've been drooling in 20-degree weather.

[cshontz]

This is not my photo, but it pertains to our trip somewhat.

:campfire:

http://static.flickr.com/12/18439851_b475f98dfc.jpg

Original:
http://static.flickr.com/12/18439851_b475f98dfc_o.jpg

[Grim Reaper]

Looks like great fun was had. Wish I could have made it.

[cshontz]

I tag each photo with keywords pretty extensively, so it takes a long time to get them all online. However, its worth it in the end. I'm only 1/4 of the way done, but here are a few. (in no particular order)

http://static.flickr.com/88/272426723_8f311b1e26.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/109/272431093_5a3282e8fd.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/84/272419330_ae9a929a37.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/101/272387746_b8c633b761.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/104/272386398_244eb22a39.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/113/272329438_d696e6180c.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/107/272328090_913b74c10e.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/102/272245735_523dbda321.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/110/272242479_777ccaab11.jpg

[jim65wagon]

This is not my photo, but it pertains to our trip somewhat.

:campfire:

http://static.flickr.com/12/18439851_b475f98dfc.jpg

Original:
http://static.flickr.com/12/18439851_b475f98dfc_o.jpg

Chris; there is no ceiling!

[jim65wagon]

I would like to thank Chris , Paul and the kids for the excellent time we had. Other than the frigid cold, it was the absolute best fun. I wish we could have been there the day before for more of the fun we missed (the wheeling). Can't wait till next time!

[OverlandZJ]

Awesome Photo's guys!

I'm so disapointed i couldnt make this trip.

[cshontz]

http://static.flickr.com/108/272833437_e5996abb2d.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/84/272834560_a40f996e0b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/111/272800880_ad160ce8f6.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/105/272769806_6d6783436f.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/89/272770398_72e2f9ee8a.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/108/272767314_270af3eb13.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/122/272730469_edf94352e0.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/96/272729564_b8bf61a6db.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/117/272541655_d73f6acd98.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/97/272728477_2bb8511c4d.jpg

Still more to go ...

[cshontz]

Okay, all of my pictures are up - 388 of them. Overall, they're okay, except I think alot of the compositions seem noisy and oversaturated due to bright sunlight. High resolution versions are available online by clicking on "all sizes".

This is the lot:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshontz/sets/72157594334335200/

Pictures that pertain to ppro:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=ppro&w=19972326%40N00&z=t

Pictures that pertain to jim65wagon:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=jim65wagon&w=19972326%40N00&z=t

You can also view the approximate locations for each picture on a Google map by clicking on the following links. Please be patient and allow these pages to load completely. There is a large amount of photo and track data being processed.

Displaying w/out track lines: (faster performance)
http://ixplor.us/map.php?u=cshontz&s=72157594334335200&f=expo_wv_1006_4.gpx&c=7210&r=0

Displaying with track lines: (slooow performance)
http://ixplor.us/map.php?u=cshontz&s=72157594334335200&f=expo_wv_1006_4.gpx&c=7210

NOTE: My GPS stayed in the Cherokee throughout the weekend, so photo positions are based upon where my Jeep was at the time each photo was taken. Its still a pretty good representation for the most part.

Enjoy! :sombrero:

[articulate]

Nice work, fellas. Nice.

I notice that your trees don't have pointy spikes on 'em. Very interesting foreign lands. It's been a while since I've seen a leaf. :)

[cshontz]

I notice that your trees don't have pointy spikes on 'em.

Please. Tell us more of these "pointy spikes". :confused: ;)

[ppro]

Please. Tell us more of these "pointy spikes". :confused: ;)

cacti

[ppro]

I have finalized the write-up to include low-res versions of all images, broken it into four pages to somewhat mitigate dial-up user loading times, and fixed teh tpyos I could find...

http://www.4x4icon.com/offroad/101406_blackwater_canyon/img6342.jpg
Write-up (http://www.4x4icon.com/offroad/101406_blackwater_canyon/index.htm)

Once again I would like to thank Chris for inviting me and the boys. We really enjoyed ourselves. It was good to meet jim65wagon and his family.

ppro

[Evans]

Looks like a great trip guys... hopefully I can get in on the next trip !!!

[kcowyo]

Great write up ppro and great pics from you and Chris! :clapsmile

Looks like you timed it right for the great Fall colors back east. Love seeing the kids getting out and exposed to the outdoors too. X-box ain't got nuthin' on a Fall sunset in the hills.

Great job guys! :beer:

[Scott Brady]

Great trip all! Hopefully I can make it next year.

I really like the bridge photo's :)

[Redback]

Outstanding stuff, great write up and excellent photos, i like the underwater photos.

I notice the soil being black and was wondering if it was natural, then noticed the photos of the coke ovens, amazing the differance from 100yrs ago.

Baz.

[cshontz]

We're not done with this thread yet! :violent-smiley-031:

I just finished composing a reasonably verbose trip report (http://ixplor.us/index.php?/expedition_portal_trip_to_monongahela_national_for est/) on my blog (http://ixplor.us/) that details our adventure from my perspective. Hopefully everyone will find it interesting. Please enjoy, and let me know what you think! :)

Expedition Portal Trip to Monongahela National Forest (http://ixplor.us/index.php?/expedition_portal_trip_to_monongahela_national_for est/)

[articulate]

We're not done with this thread yet! :violent-smiley-031:
Ha! Beautiful photo:
http://static.flickr.com/107/272328090_913b74c10e.jpg?v=1161101730

But didn't you know? If you supply coordinates, it's bad form to write accompanying directions. :ylsmoke:

Hilarious:
"The next morning, I heard the <whoosh> of our campfire being ignited, as I saw the side of my tent glow orange from the light of the flame. Paul douses his logs in lighter fluid as one would butter a cob of corn."

And another photo I like:
http://static.flickr.com/81/272535603_69b3dd0406.jpg?v=0


Good job. :rockon: