H3t

[Ron B]

I know it's been discussed here, and pictures have been floating around of this thing in Moab -- but I came across these pictures on another site and thought I'd pass them along.

rb

[FlyNdrive]

I admit it looks good, but it's another one of those vehicles that looked better as a concept vehicle and the manufacturer didnt want to take a risk to make it a reality.

Oh well.

[adrenaline503]

Man those windows look small.

[mcm4090]

The bed looks good.:ylsmoke:

[Ron B]

I'd like to see this thing next to a tacoma or something similar for comparison...hard to tell what's up sometimes just from pictures.

I too liked the concept, but I also liked the jeep hurricane -- so the cool stuff never really makes it to us mortals.

rb

[ZR2nit]

I like the H3T's. And now you can get then with a V8 :) . Thats a big improvement over the Colorado's inline 5.

[calamaridog]

If I had the cash right now, it would look good in the driveway. Especially with 0% financing... but alas, I'm in cost cutting mode this year:)

I still say it will be an awesome vehicle if they put the 4.5L V8 diesel in it.

[Scenic WonderRunner]

I like it!

But I just know I would be bumping my head just trying to look out the window.

I know..........we could market...........

Hummer Helmets! ........:arabia:




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[haven]

IF GM were to sell Hummer to some foreign investment group, the H3T would probably become a Colorado model (they are built in the same factory). Then eventually we might actually be able to buy the H3T running gear under a Colorado single cab.

Remember this project assembled by GM engineers?

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z241/expeditioncampers/h3colorado.jpg

[calamaridog]

Yeah, that is one sweet Colorado.

[The BN Guy]

I missed it. What's the story on it?

[haven]

The single cab Colorado with H3 running gear turned up at the press introduction to the H3T in Moab earlier this year. It was used by GM as a support vehicle during the days when the journalists were driving the H3Ts around on the trails of Moab.

The single cab truck was assembled by GM engineers working on the H3T as an after-hours project. It has the stock Colorado 5 speed and auto trans, and the H3 transfer case, axles and tires.

Chip Haven

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Did I hear correctly on CNBC today that GM is now trying to sell Hummer?


Is this true?


Oh wait..... (the Brand)


http://www.wsbt.com/home/video/19489539.html



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[Ron B]

they've been shopping around for a while. GM really had eyes bigger than their stomaches...they leased the name from AMG in '99 (originally a 10 yr lease) and started pumping out trucks as fast as they could from '02 to the present. Got a soccer-mom and poser rep because...uh...alot of soccer-moms and posers drive them!

In recent years scientists (and Arianna Huffington) have proven that hummers are responsible for global warming, child obesity, and the death of baby seals. There is also speculation that Hitler drove one. If only we knew then what we know now!

that being said, few people realize that they are quite comfy, capable, and get the same gas mileage as any other 4x4 truck on the road.

rb

[Scenic WonderRunner]

they've been shopping around for a while. GM really had eyes bigger than their stomaches...they leased the name from AMG in '99 (originally a 10 yr lease) and started pumping out trucks as fast as they could from '02 to the present. Got a soccer-mom and poser rep because...uh...alot of soccer-moms and posers drive them!

In recent years scientists (and Arianna Huffington) have proven that hummers are responsible for global warming, child obesity, and the death of baby seals. There is also speculation that Hitler drove one. If only we knew then what we know now!

that being said, few people realize that they are quite comfy, capable, and get the same gas mileage as any other 4x4 truck on the road.

rb


WOW!

In that case............

Maybe I should Buy it!

Think I could get a great deal on a 2nd Mortgage>?!!!!!!:shakin:



......with no closing cost's................!:ylsmoke: :friday: :beer:



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[pskhaat]

get then with a V8 :) . Thats a big improvement over the Colorado's inline 5.

What's wrong with the I5?

[Guinness44]

rb, well said, everyone blaims Hummer for their missery. To the point that the Sierra club sponsors hatewebpage (hummerdinger).

The I-5: Driven the I-5 over the testtrack at the dealer. Its got good lowendtorque esp. with that 4:1 TCase. Drove the demo over the transmountainpass, it will move, but you got to put the foot into skinny pedal. Havent testdrove the V8 yet. If in doubt, testdrive them both.

[haven]

Here's a photo from Truck Trend's report about Easter Week in Moab

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z241/expeditioncampers/hummer4inchlift.jpg

This H3 is a GM engineering project that uses a spring-over-axle conversion
on the rear to add 4 inches of room for taller tires.

Read the Truck Trend report here
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/travel/163_0808_hard_core_heaven_moab/index.html

[calamaridog]

What's wrong with the I5?

It's generally accepted the I5 is underpowered for the H3 but fine for the lighter Colorado. There is currently a new more powerful I5 in the works as well as the Alpha models (5.3 v8) to address the power issue.

[pskhaat]

It's generally accepted the I5 is underpowered for the H3

I just say that half-trolling because the GM Atlas engines especially the L52 (and LK5 & LLV) was very off-highway cool due to it's over-stroke design and low torque peak.


a new more po52erful I5 in the works

This was introduced in 2007 though right? Pushed the displacement a touch, a little more bore and a much higher torque peak, right?

[haven]

Hummer has announced the MSRP for the H3T: $31,500. That buys the crew cab 4x4 with 3.7L 5 cylinder engine (239 hp and 241 ft-lbs), 5 speed transmission and locking rear differential.

The Chevy Colorado pickup is available in similar trim (substitute automatic for the 5 speed, and 15 inch rims instead of 16 inch on the Hummer). The price is about $28,000, and there's a $2500 rebate available.

No price was announced for the H3T's "Adventure" off-road package, which adds a front locking diff, 4:1 transfer case, off-road shocks, 33" tires (10 inches of ground clearance) and more skid plates.

Also missing from the pricing announcement is the optional 5.3L V8, available only with the automatic trans.

The standard H3T or Colorado 4x4 makes a good platform for the Four Wheel Campers "Finch" model:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z241/expeditioncampers/4WCFinch.jpg

The Finch is 10 inches longer than the H3T's 60 inch bed. The 700 lb weight of the Finch gives you 400 more lbs for stuff before you reach the 1150 lb GVWR of the truck. That's a bit marginal, but workable.

The V8 would be the ticket if you often use the vehicle to carry a load at highway speeds. I think the 5 cylinder is enough for back roads, and off-road use. And the manual trans is not available with the V8.

So, figuring $31,500 for the H3T and $11,000 for the Finch camper, and maybe $2,000 more for the off-road package, you could be heading to Mexico for $44,500.

Chip Haven

[haven]

OK, here's the pricing for the "Adventure" off-road package, as reported by PickupTrucks.com

"An additional $1,725 will add Hummer's Adventure package to the H3T, which includes: a low 4.03:1 transfer case for improved rock crawling capability, 36-inch tires, upgraded shocks and electronic locking front and rear differentials to climb over the slickest surfaces."

" the 5.3-liter V-8 powered Hummer pickup will start at $36,760 with standard cloth seats and a four-speed automatic transmission. "

So the pricing works out like this:

Base H3T 4x4.....$31,500
Adventure package.....$1,725
5.3L V8 and 4 speed auto trans.....$5,250 (ouch!)

Total for a base V8 with Adventure package.....$38,500

This is a bit of a good deal. The H3 Alpha, with the same V8 engine and trans, has a MSRP around $39,000, and the off-road package adds another $1400. So you pay $2000 less for the H3T, with its larger back seat and the pickup bed.

The Dodge Ram 2500 Power Wagon 4x4 crew cab is a competitor. With 5.7L V8 and 5 speed auto trans, the Power Wagon costs about $41,750. The Power Wagon is a larger truck, with a 6 foot long bed and 2000 lb cargo capacity.

GM announced some drastic restructuring today. It's more likely now that GM will sell the Hummer brand if a buyer can be found. If this happens, I expect the Chevy Colorado pickup will become available with the off-road equipment offered on the H3T. The two trucks are built in the same plant in Louisiana.

Chip Haven

[durango_60]

"An additional $1,725 will add Hummer's Adventure package to the H3T, which includes: a low 4.03:1 transfer case for improved rock crawling capability, 36-inch tires, upgraded shocks and electronic locking front and rear differentials to climb over the slickest surfaces."

Chip Haven

36" Tires? Really?

[evldave]

36" Tires? Really?

x2. Adventure goes to 285/75s or 33" tires...you can fit 35s w/some light rubbing, but I think it's likely a tpyo on the tire size...

Otherwise I totally agree this is a good deal...Assuming you pay full sticker and ignore the v8, you'll be in around 35-6k, not a bad price considering what you get. That's about what I paid for my H3 a few years ago, and wouldn't have hesitated getting the H3t had it been available at the time.

[haven]

Good catch. The standard H3T tires are 32" tall, and the ones in the Adventure package are 33". Still, not bad for a stock vehicle.

[haven]

Autoblog got to drive the H3t offroad recently, and wrote about it here
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/08/first-drive-hummer-h3t/

The article includes a couple of points I found interesting. First, although Hummer sales are down sharply this year in USA, the sales are up about the same percent in overseas markets. (That's on a percentage basis, not a unit basis. GM is losing lots of money on Hummer. But this explains why companies in India and China might want to buy the Hummer brand.)

Second, the 2009 EPA combined rating for the H3t with 5 cylinder and 4x4 is 16 mpg. That's the same as the Wrangler Rubicon with V6, and just one mpg worse than the Grand Cherokee or Toyota 4Runner with V6. Not good compared to a Prius, but you can't drive a Prius over the Rubicon Trail, either.

The H3t with V8 is rated at 14 mpg combined. That's the same as other 4x4 SUVs with V8 like the Grand Cherokee, 4Runner and so on. So maybe Hummer is no better, but no worse, than similarly equipped vehicles.

A diesel would be perfect for the H3t. GM is planning to introduce a V6 turbodiesel, developed with VM Motori, as an option for Cadillac CTS models. According to reports, the V6 makes 400 ft-lb of torque as low as 2000 rpm. That's more torque than the 5.3L V8 gas engine makes in the H3t. It happens to be more torque than GM's gas 6.0L produces, as well.

If that's not enough power for you, GM has a 4.5L V8 diesel on the way for the Silverado and Tahoe. This engine makes 500 ft-lb of torque.

Chip Haven

[evldave]

The H3t with V8 is rated at 14 mpg combined. That's the same as other 4x4 SUVs with V8 like the Grand Cherokee, 4Runner and so on. So maybe Hummer is no better, but no worse, than similarly equipped vehicles.



Funny thing is it's always been that way...even the H2 at 11-14 mpg isn't much different than a Dodge Power Wagon, and my H3, when not loaded w/roof rack, gear, etc., actually gets better mileage than my wife's JK. Even here on this board, we're gonna get haters no matter what, it's part of the reason I have an H3 :) and my hope is prices stay depressed when the H3t comes out so I can get one cheap!

[4Rescue]

Even here on this board, we're gonna get haters no matter what,
What really erks me about the H label is it's a really sad way to sell a truck that GM already makes for more money with terrible re-body's...

Make it a Colorado and give it the same underpinnings (IE the Lockers and T-Case mods). All the proposed Mods for the H3T are respectable, but frankly the type of people that H markets to hardly need anything like this. Give the stuff to the average Joe who would actualy buy and use a Colorado like that. The Colorado looks better (to me anyway) and it's not like GM has alot of money to throw around making new trucks eh ;)
Cheers

Dave

[Guinness44]

[QUOTE

Make it a Colorado and give it the same underpinnings (IE the Lockers and T-Case mods). All the proposed Mods for the H3T are respectable, but frankly the type of people that H markets to hardly need anything like this. Give the stuff to the average Joe who would actualy buy and use a Colorado like that. [/QUOTE]


If Hummer people would want a Colorada, thats what they would have gotten.

[4Rescue]

If Hummer people would want a Colorada, thats what they would have gotten.
Do you REALLY think it was that simple??? I don't ;) Hummer is to me just a reason to charge more for something...

plain and simple, these are "Hummers" not HMMV's which they are trying to assosciate with. Personaly,even though I'm not really a H1 fan either (I caon't tell you how many a-hole H1 owners I've seen cut down trees here in the NW to get these onsters in and out of tight spots...) I think the Model range should be H1 Alpha, H -500 (instead of H2) and H -250 (for H3) there should be no similarity implied in the naming or advertising because one is a purpose built military 4x4 and the other two are well, we know what I think of them.

Cheers

Dave

[Wanderlusty]

If Hummer people would want a Colorada, thats what they would have gotten.

That is probably true, but if they underpinned the Colorado with some/all of the H3 goodies.....I think it would eat into Tacoma and Frontier market share....

[haven]

Four Wheeler Magazine has named the Hummer H3T its Pickup Truck
of the Year for 2009. Only new models are considered in the contest.
This year the competition included the Hummer H3T,
Dodge Ram 1500, Ford F-150, and the Suzuki Equator.

The story is not up on the magazine's web site today, but I assume it
will appear shortly http://www.fourwheeler.com/index.html

[Guinness44]

Saw an H3T today, with the slantback top, looks nice. Of course for EXPO, the square top would carry more gear.

[RocKrawler]

Remember this project assembled by GM engineers?

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z241/expeditioncampers/h3colorado.jpg

Anyone have a link to or more pics of that Colorado? Cant figure out my fascination with standard cab trucks when xtra & crew cab models are more practical & useful... something about the look

[haven]

It must be lonely at Hummer dealers these days. GM's accounting of 2008 vehicle sales shows only 692 H3Ts were sold since they were introduced last August. That means every Hummer dealer is paying interest to carry a couple of H3Ts on the lot.

Looking around on Autotrader.com, I see the list price of a H3T Alpha (5.3L V8) with 4x4 is about $43,000. Dealer asking price is around $38,500. I don't imagine it would be hard to shave a few thousand more off that price.

Chip Haven

[evldave]

It must be lonely at Hummer dealers these days. GM's accounting of 2008 vehicle sales shows only 692 H3Ts were sold since they were introduced last August. That means every Hummer dealer is paying interest to carry a couple of H3Ts on the lot.

Looking around on Autotrader.com, I see the list price of a H3T Alpha (5.3L V8) with 4x4 is about $43,000. Dealer asking price is around $38,500. I don't imagine it would be hard to shave a few thousand more off that price.

Chip Haven

Took my H3 in for service yesterday. One H3t on the lot (didn't get a chance to take a look), but not one single person on the showroom floor looking at cars or trucks (was Caddy/Hummer dealer). Meanwhile the service dept was backed up (they had 38 rentals go out that day before I got there).

I think part of it is the market - those people who would want an H3T probably already have a hummer, it may/may not be paid for, but no matter how you look at it, you're gonna eat a ton of $$ at trade-in. I'd be first in line if i wouldn't take a $8k hit on my truck. Until GM gives some sort of significant 'repeat buyer' discount, i'll be happily driving my H3 around

[Kurt]

Some places were selling H3T's discounted under Red Tag and GM Employee discount prices so you could get a few grand knocked off.

Hummer sales are dead, no new products to get people back in the show room [the H2 is a dead duck], H3 and varients is fine, but we need to see new products [ie. Wrangler style H4 product, etc].

The showrooms here [Orange County,CA] are dead, service side of business is good. Although when I had my H1 in during a maintenance open house day where the GM dealership let us use their facilities and tools to work on our trucks, I saw an loaded H2 sold out of the blue.

Overseas businessman came with his family, picked out the color he liked, didn't even bother to haggle.

We'll see what happens when the hummer buyer is announced in the next few weeks.

[6Pins]

I'm not so sure there is going to be a buyer for Hummer. China may have wanted it a while ago, but they are starting to feel the crunch too, combined with that fact that new taxes on large vehicles are going to ad something like 30% to the sticker cost there.

I think the reality is that Hummer, Saab and probably Saturn are all going to be shuttered.

[SGV]

Anyone have a link to or more pics of that Colorado? Cant figure out my fascination with standard cab trucks when xtra & crew cab models are more practical & useful... something about the look

I suffer from the same thing. I think it comes down to Dad saying "A real truck doesn't have that extended thing on it," or something similar. I just think they look more clean. The Colorado is a nice looking truck IMO.

I saw the H3T at a car show this weekend. It was alright. It was very big.

It would be nice if Hummer survived long enough to make the H4.

[Kurt]

I'm not so sure there is going to be a buyer for Hummer. China may have wanted it a while ago, but they are starting to feel the crunch too, combined with that fact that new taxes on large vehicles are going to ad something like 30% to the sticker cost there.

I think the reality is that Hummer, Saab and probably Saturn are all going to be shuttered.

Hummer doesn't impact GM that much by selling it, much of the production is outside of GM owned plants.

H1/H2 production is AM General, with the H3 being the only product made by GM.

Hummer is a niche product with a small market that can be run by a company without a large overhead.

There's a few interested buyers, which is the reason the deal isn't finalized yet.

AM General retained the Humvee(tm) trademark separate from GM, which is interesting as it leaves another avenue that AMG could potentially exploit down the road.

The flavor of the week rumor as far as american interests are concerned, is Navistar who is on again, off again about buying GM's medium truck lines [ie. Topkick] and some of the Pickup line along with, supposedly Hummer. That would be odd as Navistar and AM General are competitors when it comes to military vehicles [on the other hand Navistar fabricates the Optimizer blocks for the military HMMWV's].

One recent rumor is that AM General and Chengfeng are partnering up to "buy back" the brand.

Then we have India/Arab and Russian interests who are interested in picking up the brand.

GM annouced they're talking with parties and an annoucement will be made "soon" [I'm guessing sometime this quarter]