Flippac Info?

[ErrinV]

Trying to find out the cost of a Flippac. I've emailed and called with no replies. Will try again this week, but wondered if anyone has bought one recently.

Also, has anyone fit one to a '05 or newer Toyota Tacoma with the composite bed?

Thanks,

Errin

[VikingVince]

Errin,

New Flippacs are retailing for about $3200 from their dealers...maybe they're still $3000 direct from the factory...although probably not since they'd be undercutting their dealers. Just keep calling and asking for Dianne. They have a bad reputation for responding but they will respond if you tell them you want to buy one!!!

[TACODOC]

Hmmmnn... I wonder what one would look like on an 05?
:camping:

[ErrinV]

Thanks Vince. We just got back from a weeklong trip towing a 1947 Ken-Skill Teardrop. We went to visit my sis in Montana and then spent 2 nights at Yellowstone. Here's the trailer.

http://errinv.smugmug.com/photos/78768373-M.jpg

This was the first long trip that my wife has joined me on. So I looked at this trip as a test to see what worked at what didn't. A big issue for her is the ability to use the restroom at any time during the night. Not to get too personal but it's a health issue that became a real priority on this trip. The teardrop doesn't offer anything in that department of course so when we got back I started looking at options to make her more comfortable. The great things about the teardrop is keeping it packed at all times and ready to go for any trip, and then having a place ready to sleep in 2 minutes. At one point on our trip we'd been driving for a while and I was tired, so the dog and I just climbed in the trailer for quick power nap.

Daisy ready for a nap in the trailer.

http://errinv.smugmug.com/photos/78783772-M.jpg

So here's what I needed to find. Something that:
A: Has some sort of bathroom or porta-potti
B: We can sleep in
C: Allows me the option of bringing along a motorcycle (this is the toughest).
D: Room for a Engle Fridge. Looking for ice every day just sucks.


Since I have the Taco DC Shortbed, both sleeping and towing a trailer become an issue. I can't get a basic shell because the bed is too short to lay lengthwise in. And towing becames an issue, because to carry a bike in the bed of the truck the tailgate must be down. This requires a hitch extension which then halves the tongue weight capacity.

Before we left I came across this. The Fleetwood Evolution.

http://www.fleetwoodrv.com/img/galleryZoom/EV_large.jpg

I know I know, it's a lame tent trailer, but it meets just about every need. It has a toilet, shower and lots of room. More importantly it has a small deck for a motorcycle in front. Also, it's the off-road version so it sits higher and is more capable then a regular tent-trailer. So this is still a consideration, but the reality is that since the wifey may only be along for the ride a percentage of the time, it's really big for just me.

The Adventure Trailer is a really close second, but I can't carry a bike in the bed of the truck and tow the trailer. Both an outfitted Adventure Trailer and the Fleetwood cost about the same, with the Adventure Trailer being much more capable of course.

Since a porta-potti is really all that's needed, the 4Wheel Camper and Flippac are now back in line. With either of these I can tow a small trailer for my bike when needed. I like the 4Wheel camper, but the price puts it up there with the trailers, and for my size truck it feels really small. One option of course would be to get just the shell and do some outfitting myself.

After seeing the Flippac in person (thanks Vince) it seems like it would be a quick setup, roomy enough inside to make some sort of privacy area for a porta-potti and still be able to carry a fridge and some gear. Plus I should be able to tow a small trailer without any problems.

I've read that the porta-potti isn't a good solution for expedition travel, but with the wifey along it wouldn't be an issue I think. We'd be staying on pavement for most trips and just easy gravel roads, so I think it'd be ok.

Damn, that's alot of typing but if anyone can think of something I've missed or should consider, please let me know. There is no perfect solution, and everything seems to be a series of comprimises. When I bought my truck last year I never would have thought I'd be towing a motorcycle, but in the last year I've been riding more dirt and lighter less-highway friendly bikes, so it's become my new reality. A regular bed truck would make both sleeping and carrying a bike much easier, but I like my shortbed for daily use, so I need to find a way around this issue. So far I think the Flippac and a small trailer address just about everything.

[TACODOC]

Nice teardrop!
My question is: Does FlipPac make a unit for an 05 short bed???

[ErrinV]

Nice teardrop!
My question is: Does FlipPac make a unit for an 05 short bed???


I'm still trying to get an answer from them. Four Wheel Camper does list the 05 Tacoma, so that would have to be the backup plan I guess. However the Four Wheel Camper costs twice as much.

[VikingVince]

They have pics of DC/SB Flippacs on a domestic truck on their website plus specs on SB imports...so I would be surprised if that didn't include the '05 Tacoma

Errin...seems to me that you've thoughtfully and thoroughly considered all the options that will best fit your needs and compromises. One other thought though: You know more about motorcycles and transporting them than I do...but are you definitely relegated to using a trailer...at least for the KTM? Couldn't you feasibly use a hitch carrier? You'd have to reinforce the rear quarter of your frame rails (both Scott and I had this done at Demello...click on my signature below to see pics) and get some rear suspension air bags. (Firestone is good) I'm guessing the KTM weighs around 340 lbs or so? I'm planning on going this route with a 250 or 400 bike which weigh about 250lbs and 290 lbs respectively. But with reinforced frame rails, air bags and a good hitch carrier, couldn't you possibly eliminate the trailer if you wanted to?

PS...definitely get the fridge/freeze...your life will be so much more enjoyable...ice sucks! (as you know) :D Also check out Coolmatic...that's the brand I have.

[njtaco]

A couple of options:

1. The pop-ups, like you posted are available from a vaiety of manufacturers. Check Jayco, too.

2. There are travel trailers set up with rear drop gates for the bike. Some even have "movable" axles so you can trim the tongue weight with/without gear in it.

3. Check out haulmark, pace, wellscargo, etc. and any horse trailer manufacturer for setups like #2, but biased more to the gear-box with a camper inside as opposed to the camper-that-carries-gear.

4. Go to an RV show, if for no other reason than to get ideas.

5. gorving.com has links to many manufacturers' sites. I don't know what sells on the left coast, so can't suggest any like I could here in NJ.


None of the above compare even remotely to an Adventure Trailer, or the like. These are strictly a compromise solution, but fit the basic criteria of a comfortable bed, a potty, and a motorcycle.

If your wife is at all like mine, a hardsided trailer vs. a pop-up may make the difference between a happy wife and a miserable trip. Think about when you are off riding, and she is back at camp, for example.

The porta-potty can get messy, as you said. A cartidge toilet may fare better (popular in pop-ups), or the bag system suggested else where on this forum. (Can't remember the name right now...)

BTW- I love the teardrop. The wife and I just got a 22ft Travel Trailer for some of the same reasons you are looking (midnight potty). We are lightening it up now, to tow with the Taco, and I am planning to install straight axles (instead of 4 inch drop axles) and larger tires to improve the clearance. I would have preferred the teardrop idea. :)

[ErrinV]

Couldn't you feasibly use a hitch carrier? You'd have to reinforce the rear quarter of your frame rails (both Scott and I had this done at Demello...click on my signature below to see pics) and get some rear suspension air bags. (Firestone is good) I'm guessing the KTM weighs around 340 lbs or so? I'm planning on going this route with a 250 or 400 bike which weigh about 250lbs and 290 lbs respectively. But with reinforced frame rails, air bags and a good hitch carrier, couldn't you possibly eliminate the trailer if you wanted to?


Yes Vince, I think I can, with some reinforcements, use a hitch carrier. I've read both good and bad about them though, so for the heavier KTM I think there's just too much weight back there. The bike is about 350pounds, but it has a 7-1/2 gallon fuel tank (about 63 pounds), plus the extra weight of the spares that I keep on it. So it's pretty heavy.

The 2 bikes I'm looking at getting next will be ok back there, and I will get one for those bikes. Here's the bike porn for you guys.

http://www.husqvarnausa.com/images/home/TE510_BEST.jpg

http://www.gasgas.com/Gas-Gas-Media/2003-bikes/200-pro-yel-side.gif

Both of these are considerably lighter, with the Gas-Gas the winner at only about 150 pounds!

Another thing that I've tried to keep in mind is that there would never be much off-road done with the trailer, mostly pavement with an occasional fire-road, and then the bike comes off for the good stuff.:D

[ErrinV]

If your wife is at all like mine, a hardsided trailer vs. a pop-up may make the difference between a happy wife and a miserable trip. Think about when you are off riding, and she is back at camp, for example.



I have thought about that. Here's the answer, but it's an expensive answer.

Sportsmobile Sprinter! (http://www.sportsmobile.com/2_sr_exp_eb.html)

I can't wait to see these at the RV show. This answers everything, can tow or use a hitch carrier, has a bathroom and can be configured to carry the bike inside!

Bike Sample (http://www.sportsmobile.com/3_bikes.html)

http://www.sportsmobile.com/sections/sprinter/examples/images_ex/toy01_rear.jpg

http://www.sportsmobile.com/sections/sprinter/examples/images_ex/miller06.jpg

[njtaco]

Three thoughts...

First, would this be a DD for either of you? That is, would it replace another vehicle? This could help the cost issue.

Second, is the Sprinter available 4x4 yet, or can you get a conversion done?

Last, what is the "hitch" rating for a carrier?

[paulj]

Here's a homemade Sprinter conversion, by a windsurfer:
http://www.steynfamily.com/ultimate_windsurfing_van_02.htm

[ErrinV]

The Sprinter could be a daily driver. It gets about the same mpg as my Tacoma.

I don't think it's 4x4. Not yet anyways.

It can tow 5000 pounds I think. Not sure about the tounge weight.

It also counts as a second home, so there's a tax break available.





Three thoughts...

First, would this be a DD for either of you? That is, would it replace another vehicle? This could help the cost issue.

Second, is the Sprinter available 4x4 yet, or can you get a conversion done?

Last, what is the "hitch" rating for a carrier?

[paulj]

A Sprinter page that mentions a 4x4 version (but not USA)

http://www.whnet.com/4x4/sprinter.html
http://www.iglhaut-allrad.de/htm/e_home.html

Here's a Ford van based 4x4 camper:
http://www.sportsmobile.com/4_4x4sports.html

[VikingVince]

Errin,

It occurred to me to relay the following...might figure into your decision-making: A guy emailed me recently...asking my suggestions...because his brand new flippac was leaking in the rain. (he didn't have the factory raincover) So I detailed the rain cover that I rigged up...I have no leaks in the rain...just some minor condensation in heavy rain...and I think I could eliminate that if I rigged up a vapor barrier. Anyway, just wanted to give you the heads-up on that. Flippac sells a storm cover...about $250 I think...don't know how it works...I cut down a big blue tarp and it's held in place with tarp grips, 3/8" rope, and CalGrips. The CalGrips work great www.roperatchet.com

[ErrinV]

Errin,

It occurred to me to relay the following...might figure into your decision-making: A guy emailed me recently...asking my suggestions...because his brand new flippac was leaking in the rain. (he didn't have the factory raincover) So I detailed the rain cover that I rigged up...I have no leaks in the rain...just some minor condensation in heavy rain...and I think I could eliminate that if I rigged up a vapor barrier. Anyway, just wanted to give you the heads-up on that. Flippac sells a storm cover...about $250 I think...don't know how it works...I cut down a big blue tarp and it's held in place with tarp grips, 3/8" rope, and CalGrips. The CalGrips work great www.roperatchet.com


Thanks for that Vince. I was wondering if the Flippac had some sort of rainfly or if it was built into the tent. It was on my list of questions, but I still haven't heard back from them. Will try again today.

[ErrinV]

Nice teardrop!
My question is: Does FlipPac make a unit for an 05 short bed???


YES! Got a hold of them today. They can make one. $3300 for the shell. An extra $450 if you want it color matched, and $250 for the Rain Fly.

I'm going to try and go down there next week to talk to them in person.

[TACODOC]

Nice but.... That is alot of $$$! :exclaim:

[ErrinV]

Nice but.... That is alot of $$$! :exclaim:


What is? The Flippac? I think it's the cheapest option out there for what I'm looking for, unless I've missed something.

[ErrinV]

Hey Vince,

Nice pics in the new 4WD Toyota mag. Your rig got some good coverage in there. Nice way to sell Baja to the lil' lady with your rig sitting on the beach in there.

[VikingVince]

Hey Vince,

Nice pics in the new 4WD Toyota mag. Your rig got some good coverage in there. Nice way to sell Baja to the lil' lady with your rig sitting on the beach in there.

Errin...yeah, thanks...I got a real charge out of those pics and will hopefully get some "mileage" :) as well!! Re "sell Baja to the lil' lady,"...well, your comment could not be more timely! That's exactly what I did on Saturday night...are you ready?...her first question was "where do you shower?":exclaim: :exclaim:
We had a good laugh and she was impressed with the beauty of it. But then she finally summed it all up with:

shower = sex
no shower = no sex

That's pretty much what it comes down to...I'm ordering a new shower enclosure pronto :shakin: :exclaim:

[ErrinV]

That's funny. Is there where the "Sex on the Beach" drink got it's name?

I know these things are crazy expensive, but what do you know about theKimberly Kamper? (http://www.kingkampers.com/kamper/overview.html) I saw them at the show back in February and didn't really look at them much, but I just came across them again and noticed that you can carry a bike on them, and they have an enclosure for a bathroom/shower. Way more expensive then alot of other options, but way cheaper then a Sportsmobile. Looks like it'll last forever, but hopefully you or someone else here knows more.

[VikingVince]

That's funny. Is there where the "Sex on the Beach" drink got it's name?

I know these things are crazy expensive, but what do you know about theKimberly Kamper? (http://www.kingkampers.com/kamper/overview.html) I saw them at the show back in February and didn't really look at them much, but I just came across them again and noticed that you can carry a bike on them, and they have an enclosure for a bathroom/shower. Way more expensive then alot of other options, but way cheaper then a Sportsmobile. Looks like it'll last forever, but hopefully you or someone else here knows more.

Don't know the "sex on the beach drink"...I've obviously been staying with beer too long:exclaim: I need to try that one!

I remember those Kimberly Kampers from the show where we met and just went to their website...am shocked at the $25K+ price plus cost of options!!! I remember not being very interested in what I saw at the show...it looked time consuming to set all that up and take it down...contrary to their claim of "two minutes" on the website! But really don't know anything about them. Initial reaction is that I'd prefer a Fleetwood E2 like you posted pics of

[geophile]

Vince,

I just got a flip pac (used, great shape) and was half way through sealing the seams in the tent when I found out that they sell a rain fly for it. Then I found a few posts from you here and in some other forums about the fly you made. Would you mind sending me some details on it? The prefab one is pretty pricey, but sounds like it pitches super quick and easy. Just attach to the back of the camper before opening, and it pitches its self when the pac is flipped. What's involved in setting yours up?

I'm curious about your hinged fuel-can mounts, too. Off-the-shelf or custom? The pictures at bajataco.com look just like what I've been looking for.

Thanks,
Gregory


Errin,

It occurred to me to relay the following...might figure into your decision-making: A guy emailed me recently...asking my suggestions...because his brand new flippac was leaking in the rain. (he didn't have the factory raincover) So I detailed the rain cover that I rigged up...I have no leaks in the rain...just some minor condensation in heavy rain...and I think I could eliminate that if I rigged up a vapor barrier. Anyway, just wanted to give you the heads-up on that. Flippac sells a storm cover...about $250 I think...don't know how it works...I cut down a big blue tarp and it's held in place with tarp grips, 3/8" rope, and CalGrips. The CalGrips work great www.roperatchet.com

[Photog]

Vince,
Do you have your fuel can rack on a different link?

[VikingVince]

Vince,
Do you have your fuel can rack on a different link?

No, there really arent' any good pics of the swing out fuel can assembly on any other links. I put it together over two years ago and it's held up fine. You could make your own variations but here's the basic process:
1. Cut some 1/8" diamond plate to slightly increase the surface area of the bumper and bolt to bumper. (Don't put any bolts where the cans will sit.)
2. Use the basic blitz can holder and beef it up a little with some flat metal strips. Add an approx 12" vertical piece of angle iron that the hinges can be attached to. (I just used 3 cheap door hinges on each side)
3. Create a vertical post that the hinged can holders can be attached to. I used a approx. one foot 3/4" threaded bolt that I bolted to each side of the bumper. Then slide a square piece of metal tubing over this bolt (so the hinges from the can assembly can be attached to it) This vertical post assembly sits just barely outside the tailgate when it's dropped. The vertical post assembly is anchored to the stock tailgate latch "catches" that you can see when the tailgate is down. (sorry, don't know exactly what they're called). Span the gap between the vertical post assembly and the latch "catch" with a short piece of steel sheet.

Not very clear I know...but that's about the best I can do. One of the benefits that I didn't think of when I made it is that I frequently put a tall, large ammo can holder from army surplus (virutally the same size as the blitz can) in one side as a garbage can...then I don't have to carry my garbage in the back living/camping quarters of the truck.

PS - If I were to do it over, I'd use Wedco cans and can holders because, if I remember correctly, it's the Wedco cans that can sit horizontally. (although they're more expensive) The one drawback of my design is that when I have cans in the holders, they have to be swung out in order to open the rear window of the flippac...because the top of the blitz cans sit just above the lip of the tailgate so you can't open the rear window unless they're swung out.

[Photog]

Thanks Vince,
I see a photo of it in "Signature Link". The photo and your description fill in the blanks. Great job.:)

[Bella PSD]

The prefab rain fly is pretty pricey, but sounds like it pitches super quick and easy. Just attach to the back of the camper before opening, and it pitches its self when the pac is flipped.

I have a Flip Pac and also have the Flip Pac rain fly. It does go up very easy. Perfect fit. Like you said, just attach the rain fly to the front of the flip and open it up. The rain fly will cover the tent area. After you tie it down at the corners and middle, its not going anywhere.

I deployed the rain fly last weekend on a camping trip. I thought it was going to rain for sure. Well that rain fly works real well. It never did rain:shakin: I have had the rain fly in light rain and some wind and it works very well!

I camped on a beach in the Outer Banks for 3 days last month and the last day the winds were gusting to 40 mph and the tent (no rain fly) was surprisingly strong. What I mean is that the tent did not flap around and move with the wind. When the Flip Pac opens up it get pulled taught.

About the price of a new Flip Pac. Add up the cost of a real good fiberglass cap like ARE, roof top tent and a rack for the tent. I bet you will be over the cost of a Flip Pac. And remember, the Flip Pac is nothing like a RTT….not even in the same league. You get a flush mount when it’s closed, about 8 foot height in the main area and over 3 ½ feet (I think) over the cab. And the sleeping area over the Flip is queen size if not bigger. I am 6’2” and fit easy up there and can sit up on my knees.

One thing I should mention is I am transforming my Flip Pac into a full blow slide in camper with heat, sink, cabinets doors, fridge and so on. But the flip part is still all Flip Pac.

I absolutely love my Flip Pac!!:)

Louie

[Bella PSD]

I do not have any pictures of the Flip Pac in my sig. Only the RTT I am using on my trailer now. Anyway here is a picture of my somewhat custom camper build. About 1/2 finished now.

http://bellaphotographics.com/FlipPacBuild/FlipPacCoreBanksNC.jpg

[VikingVince]

Louie,

that's a great pic of your rig...look forward to seeing pics of the interior when you get it finished...cool project.
How did you do the custom rear/back door of the flippac? Nice job...looks like a complicated modification...Is it fiberglass? Did you do it yourself?...job it out?...I don't believe flippac does that, do they? Is there a screen door as well?

PS - is your awning a permanently installed roll-up name brand? or is it a tarp type that you attach when you want to have it there? that's what I do, only on the back of my rig.

looking at your pic again...I just noticed the fold out steps...nice...I assume that's a fold-up, permanent mounting?

Are you able to leave your sleeping bag or bedding in place when you close the flippac? I use a double sleeping bag and always take it out...but I think if I lower, as much as feasible, the holders that the poles go into I can create a couple more inches and then leave the sleeping bag in place.

[Bella PSD]

Vince,


that's a great pic of your rig...look forward to seeing pics of the interior when you get it finished...cool project.
Thanks. Did you ever see the picture of your truck I used to mock up my build in Photo Shop? (before my Flip pac arrived) …I add a back door to your truck in PS.

The inside is in the beginning phase. I have installed a 12V battery and battery box (vented), 15 gal fresh water tank, sink with gray water tank, Small counter, a seating area with a table and a fold out bed for two. I can sleep 5 people if one small person (child) is in the hammock. Although, I have reinforced to hammock mounts with bolts that go all the way through the wall. So it could hold a full size adult. I also have a 30-amp converter so I can plug in at campgrounds. Most of the above interior items are installed temporarily. Mainly because I wanted to get camping in it, but also to try out how thing will work in the real world. I am planning to remove everything from the inside and build it to completion…after the outside is complete.


How did you do the custom rear/back door of the flip pac?
Lots of time planning and custom wood and fiberglass. Kind of built like a boat. I went with fiberglass because one of my goals was to have a smooth, paint to match, finish.


Did you do it yourself?...job it out?...I don't believe flippac does that, do they?
I have done all of the work myself. Got a few quotes but just a small portion of the build was $2,400.00. Flip Pac does not make anything like this.


Is there a screen door as well?
Not yet. But I am planning on one of those retractable type screens the roll up like a window shade turned on its side.


I just noticed the fold out steps...nice...I assume that's a fold-up, permanent mounting?
Thanks! It’s not a fold up step. I need all the departure clearance I can get so I made a step that goes into the receiver hitch. The steps gives me a there step approach into the doorway. There is a handle, by the right side of the door, as well. When I am traveling I can remove the steps and store it in the camper or turn it upside down, reinsert it into the receiver hitch and use it carry cargo. The step also works very well on the front bumper receiver hitch, as a way to access the hood. Makes a good seat on the front or back of the truck.



Are you able to leave your sleeping bag or bedding in place when you close the flippac?
Yes, but its tight when I leave the sleeping bags up there. I am thinking about replacing the mattress that comes with the Flip Pac with something thicker. That’s not going to help the closing up the camper, especially if I leave the sleeping bags up there when I close it up.


PS - is your awning a permanently installed roll-up name brand? or is it a tarp type that you attach when you want to have it there? that's what I do, only on the back of my rig.
The awning is a roll up type. It is mounted to an awning mount so I can slide it on or off anytime I want. I have an awning on both sides. Just one awning in the picture because of all the wind on the beach. I am planning an awning on the back as well. Have not figured that on out yet. I want the back awning to tie into a screen tent like you have.


Louie

[Bella PSD]

Found it. This is what yours would kinda look like with a rear door. I “borrowed” your truck to see how the rear door would look in PhotoShop before I received my Flip Pac.
http://bellaphotographics.com/FordSuperDutyImages/L_vince05_03.jpg

[VikingVince]

Hey Louie,

I do recall seeing that PS's pic of my rig...cool. But you did more than just take out the flippac rear door...you must have cut into the fiberglass, yes? Because yours looks so seamless, like it's part of the original fiberglass of the flippac. I would have no idea how to do that...that seamless fiberglass joint must involve technique similar to plastering??

Nice design and options with the rear step!

What you're planning and designing on the inside is GREAT!! I've said in other threads that what you're doing more or less rivals the amenities/capabilities of the new Earthroamer XV-JP...for alot less $$$. And you have the extra space of a full size truck bed. Just wondering...did you consider designing in a toilet/shower? (of course you'd probably have to give up something else) But what I've thought would work is the type shower you find in the pop-up tent trailers - where the shower walls are zip-in or pull-up fabric curtain. You don't really need it...just wondering if you considered plans for it.

If you would...What's the brand name on that awning you're using?

Re mattress...I replaced mine with a 4" higher density foam mattress. It is soooooo comfortable. I bought my flippac used (10 years old!) and after about a year the original 3" foam mattress (which was lighter density) wasn't holding up...could feel the hard fiberglass underneath. It's about 7 pounds heavier too.

One mistake I made was the custom rack on top. It's too heavy. If you want a rack on top, I would suggest just two Thule or Yakima cargo bars. I really like having the rack for light items like chairs,roll-up table, shovel. (before opening the top I always take everything off except the shovel) Because of the extra weight of the rack and mattress, I now have to be "creative" when opening/closing the top. I prop the top up a third of the way with my hiking stick and then use the crank! And I tie a rope to the front of the rack and pull from the back to close

You're gonna have a great unit when you're finished...wish I could see it in person. If you're ever out SoCal way, let me know!

One last thing...I've added a Kawasaki KLR 250 dual purpose to my rig...I use a receiver hitch motorcycle carrier (MotojackRack). Obviously I'm not doing trails with that set-up, other than unimproved surface/dirt roads/beach. But for campgrounds and some remote basecamps, it's great...after getting everything setup, it's nice to have a means of getting around the local area or doing some trails.

Well, good luck with everything Louie...long live Flippacs!!:jumping:

[suntinez]

Hey just wanted to say thanks to Vince and Louie and others for posting the great images and info on the flip-pac shell.

I bought a 2007 4x4 Tundra with the longbed and did lots of online research to figure out what would work best for camping. For a 1/2 ton truck, it's big!

Had some trouble getting return calls from the folks at FRP, so I went down there to take a look and wound up ordering one. It should be done tomorrow :jumping: , waiting on the window for it to be completed. They have a new window available which both folds down and slides for a pass-thru to the truck.

So looking forward to customizing the interior and figuring out this forum to post some pics myself.

[Bella PSD]

Congratulations!! The waiting just stinks! I had to wait for mine to be shipped from CA to OH. Can’t wait to see the pictures!

Louie

[erod]

Hey just wanted to say thanks to Vince and Louie and others for posting the great images and info on the flip-pac shell.

I bought a 2007 4x4 Tundra with the longbed and did lots of online research to figure out what would work best for camping. For a 1/2 ton truck, it's big!

Had some trouble getting return calls from the folks at FRP, so I went down there to take a look and wound up ordering one. It should be done tomorrow :jumping: , waiting on the window for it to be completed. They have a new window available which both folds down and slides for a pass-thru to the truck.

So looking forward to customizing the interior and figuring out this forum to post some pics myself.

i agree, the flip pac is super cool, glad to hear they are still "popping" out campers. can't wait for the pics...

louie, that picture that you created on the back of vince's flip pac looks very similar to the backdoor of a FWC...cool idea...

[suntinez]

I really like what Louie did with the back door too, dying for a sneak peek at his interior.

Turns out that FRP is a small shop in Riverside, couldn't be even 5 miles away from the 6-pac/FWC factory - I went over there too. I like some of the things they did with the FWC, but pretty pricey for what you get, and sooooo little storage. Plus on an 8 foot bed the FWC becomes a bit heavy to actually pop-up. In fact they make some kind of mechanical assist option for $$$$ for the bigger units. I was able to crank the flippac one-handed :wings:

When I went to flippac, I ran into the owner Homer (?) in between sessions with Diane as he was leaving for an appt elsewhere. They had an 8-ft shell just about to be installed for someone else and he told her to have the guys put it on my truck for me, and to "come back with a contract". So they did, and she did, and it looked pretty good even closed, so hopefully this is all going to work out. Nobody else is even making shells for the new Tundra yet, seems they do the big 3 before the imports on new models, so I'm happy to be getting it. (ok there are a couple, but not what I'm looking for)

I found out that the tent part on short, regular and long-bed models is the same (at least on full size truck ones), and they have different templates for the shell part. So on a longbed, it sort of scoops backwards to the hinge part, instead of the little nose that goes over the cab on the other beds.

FRP has done an okay job of staying in touch during the wait, so I think I can wait a few more days. But .... it's all TALK until there are PICS.

Thanks for the welcome, this is a great forum.

[Bella PSD]

louie, that picture that you created on the back of vince's flip pac looks very similar to the backdoor of a FWC...cool idea...
Erod

Ahhh...look back one page (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1743&page=3) in this thread (post #29) for the real thing. Not a photoshop but a Flip Pac that is being converted into closed in slide in camper with a back door like the mock up above. And yes, I used a FWC back door for the mock up in photoshop. I am on to the real thing now!!

Louie

[peekay]

another option is this:
http://www.americansporttrailer.com
awesome build quality. The owner is a great guy and is willing to customize it for your needs, e.g. larger axles, bigger tires, etc.

[Bella PSD]

suntinez

Any pictures yet?? Don't forget we are waiting with you.:jumping:

Louie

[VikingVince]

Ahhh...look back one page (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1743&page=3) in this thread (post #29) for the real thing. Not a photoshop but a Flip Pac that is being converted into closed in slide in camper with a back door like the mock up above. And yes, I used a FWC back door for the mock up in photoshop. I am on to the real thing now!!

Louie

Louie,

As I've said...I love what you've done...would you tell us a little more about how you did your back door? I think we'd all be interested...thanks.

[suntinez]

Thanks Louie, I can now say YES, I have PICS!!! :) Truck is stock 07 Tundra, double cab, 4x4, longbed - everything except the flippac ...

They bolted it to the railing inside the bed which is great so I have something to connect the interior cabinets to, once I get those built. Truck rides alot better now with the extra weight - I am impressed. Tires/wheels likely to get changed out soon, so it can only get better, not that it was bad to start with.

I was curious about the storm cover and talked to Diane quite a bit about it, but didn't get one (yet) for $280 (ouch). She suggested a boat cover if I wanted to go a cheaper route and use bungees etc to attach it. Diane gave me an old brochure which shows the storm cover setup, when I get a chance I'll scan that in and post it. She's also going to call me when they have some in house so I can try it out.

Interestingly enough the old brochure was put out by Six-Pac, who used to own the patents for the flippac and sold them to the owner of FRP. FRP also produces the showers and some of the fiberglass parts for Six-pac/FWC. Small world ...

Already having fun with this thing, was hanging out inside with a friend and my dog this morning and planning camping trips. And lots of people stopping by to gawk, that was fun too.

OK let's see if I can make attachments work.

[Bella PSD]

Looks awesome!! I love the paint to match color, VERY stealthy, no one would think it’s a camper closed up. Glad to see someone else with the front supports almost laying flat! I had to make mine 6 inches longer just to make it to the back of the hood. I will see if I have any pictures of the storm cover attached to my Flip Pac. If not, maybe that will be my excuses to get the Flip Pac out for the weekend!!

And the looks from people when its opened up…They just look and shake there heads, sometimes they come up and ask all kinds of questions. FUN!

Congratulations!!!:clapsmile
Louie

[suntinez]

Come on get it out, you know you want to! Do you have the factory cover?

Here's the old brochure from the days when Six-Pac made the flippac. FRP says the same folks are making the storm covers now.

Vince, look at the door on the "Tradesman" "aluminum commercial topper" on the bottom right. Hmmm, not sure what it's made of though, guessing aluminum and not fiberglass.

[suntinez]

Here's the old brochure from the days when Six-Pac made the flippac.

Having technical difficulties (ahem) with the file upload ... will try again later. Site is rejecting me, sigh.

[Bella PSD]

Come on get it out, you know you want to! Do you have the factory cover?


Yes, its the big blue factory one they sell for $300 (price I was given)

Louie

[Beowulf]

Keep us posted. Now all they need to make is a replacement Flip Pac hardtop for a Jeep Unlimited. :)

[suntinez]

Keep us posted. Now all they need to make is a replacement Flip Pac hardtop for a Jeep Unlimited. :)

Wouldn't that be the shiznit? You know when I looked at the EarthRoamer XV-JP on the Jeep Rubicon body with that electric motor-powered Loftop tent I immediately thought - hey it's a (very) fancy flippac.

Except they put it on backwards ...

[Beowulf]

I'd be ok with it flipping backwards, sideways or whatever. Just as long as they made one.

Although backwards would make a nice canopy. However, over the hood means you could flip it in tighter spots.

[Bella PSD]

I had the opportunity to make my Flip Pac open to the rear when I was planning the camper. I even mounted the Flip Pac on the truck in reverse to test it out. But ultimately, it was better to have it flip forward, over the truck. Less of a footprint in small campsites. And if I need a covered area over the back door, I will deploy an awning.

As far as electric motor-power to open a Flip. Not sure why? Kind of like a power convertible top or a power moon roof. The power part is just not really needed. Goes against what most of us are after here.

OK....maybe in the rain, the power Flip Pac would be ok?? But in a stiff wind, that motor better be like 3hp plus!!


Louie

[suntinez]

I don't want a motor to open my flippac either, just thought it interesting they put it on a jeep.

[suntinez]

Had to split it in halves but here is the old flippac brochure, interesting.

[Bella PSD]

I think the motor is mostly a marketing thing. "Stand back while I open this thing up"!! Or they expect a lot of aging baby boomers to buy EarthRoamer XV-JP.

My first thought when I saw the EarthRoamer XV-JP was, hey that’s a Flip Pac!!!

Louie

[suntinez]

Hi Louie,

Did you get the flipper out this weekend? I'm still curious about storm covers and other possible ways to deal with leaking in the middle section near the hinge.

I'm thinking about an awning too, but on the side instead of the back because of the way mine opens (standard). Due to the height of my bed and since it's likely to get higher with new tires I keep thinking about your rear door solution too. Did you use a FWC door? Or something else?

Hmmm, so many options, not sure what to do first. :wings: But since it is currently a 4-ft jump with a ladder up to the bed part, I'm pretty sure that stepped cabinets will come first. Getting around easily once settled in for the night seems to be more important than that first step into the truck. And probably simpler than adding a door like yours.

Thanks ...

[Bella PSD]

Yes I did. And was going to get some pictures with the storm cover and inside…. BUT was shocked when I rolled it out of the garage and was getting it read to jack up onto the truck. The front torsion bar was cracked in half!!!!!!:( The one that controls how easy the flip opens up. No way to open it up now, to heavy and way to much stress on the one side with the crank arm. I have removed the torsion bar and was thinking I could weld it back together at the split BUT that may not be a good idea. Probable just break at the weld when twisted during opening?? I took some pictures that I can post later.

I thought the last time I had it open it seemed to hard to open….well it must of snapped in half on the way home from that last camp out.

Anyone think welding it back together would hold up under the twisting? It looks, and works, just like a torsion bar on an IFS set up!! Just longer and thinner.

This REALLY sucks!!

Louie

[suntinez]

Oh noooo, can't tell you how sorry I am to hear that :( Not sure if I'd trust a weld with that amount of torque, depends on how you do it I suppose and how far the break is from the crank. I don't know enough about welding to say anything useful. If it was me I think I'd contact FRP and see if they can send you a replacement.

Bummer! Bet that's not what you were expecting, I know it's not what I expected to hear. Let us know what you figure out. How old is your flippac?




Yes I did. And was going to get some pictures with the storm cover and inside…. BUT was shocked when I rolled it out of the garage and was getting it read to jack up onto the truck. The front torsion bar was cracked in half!!!!!!:( The one that controls how easy the flip opens up. No way to open it up now, to heavy and way to much stress on the one side with the crank arm. I have removed the torsion bar and was thinking I could weld it back together at the split BUT that may not be a good idea. Probable just break at the weld when twisted during opening?? I took some pictures that I can post later.

I thought the last time I had it open it seemed to hard to open….well it must of snapped in half on the way home from that last camp out.

Anyone think welding it back together would hold up under the twisting? It looks, and works, just like a torsion bar on an IFS set up!! Just longer and thinner.

This REALLY sucks!!

Louie

[Bella PSD]

7-8 years old. I have had time to get use to it broken, and really its not that bad. Just one replacement part (torsion bar). I wil call FRP and get a price and the best way to replace it. Hardest part looks to be adding the pre-load to the spring. I just hope the replacement price is reasonable??



But since it is currently a 4-ft jump with a ladder up to the bed part, I'm pretty sure that stepped cabinets will come first.
That would be one of the first things I would do along with some kind of step up to the tailgate. I made a 2 step that goes into the trailer receiver. I step up onto the water tank to get up to the top flip (4’6” up).

Louie

[Bella PSD]

Just called Flip Pac and the torsion bar is about $250.00 and that is the good part. The bad part...They are back ordered about 6 weeks!! I guess the bright side is I am good for another 7 years.

No camping for me till Christmas!

Louie

[VikingVince]

Louie,

I can open and close my Flippac without the crank if need be...because I have a rack on the top. Because I've added too much extra weight with the rack and heavier mattress, I partially do that now. I tie a long rope to the back of the rack before opening it and pull on the rope from the rear to close the flippac. (can't close it any other way anymore...for opening, I prop it it one-third open with a hiking stick and then use the crank...although if need be I could just open it entirely with propping it up and pulling the rope and just catch it as it comes down)

So if you were thinking of putting load bars on your Flippac (don't do a rack like I did...too heavy...but load bars (with Quick Fist clamps) would work great)...now might be the time to do it and then you can still open and close it...plus it's a great place to carry chairs, roll-up table, shovel, other light things...or even a kayak....plus you're set for opening/closing if it ever breaks in the field.

(Considering FRP's track record and my own history with replacements, you'll be lucky if you get your bar in 6 weeks!)

[Andrew Walcker]

Hijack on-

Hey Vince and Linda, loved seeing both of your Flippacs this weekend! I can't believe how much room those have, really a great set-up.

-Hijack off

[suntinez]

The bad part...They are back ordered about 6 weeks!! I guess the bright side is I am good for another 7 years.

No camping for me till Christmas!

Louie

That is too bad, but we will wait with you ... tick tock, tick tock. Did you order one or going to try something else?

I'm dying to see how you setup your interior, but understand might be hard to explain or get pics if you can't open the flippac.

And the rear steps up to the door? Is that a custom or did you get them somewhere? I'm looking at something like this for mine with the current tailgate setup: http://www.duluthtrading.com/82338.aspx?src=T27WSHOP1 or maybe this: http://www.truck-pal.com/ or cabela's version: http://www.cabelas.com/information/AutomotiveATV/TailgateFold-UpStep.html My knees (and my dog) are telling me this is rapidly becoming a priority.

Thanks.

[Bella PSD]

I did not order the torsion bar yet. I think I might try welding it back together and see what happens. If it fails after the repair I can just order a new one. The interior of my camper is just like a FWCamper shell model (empty). I have temporary fitted a sink, bottom bed, seating, water tank, battery and toilet. This was done the day before my trip out to NC Core Banks trip. Sleeps 5 easy right now. Just finished the interior off good enough to camp. I will try opening it up again tomorrow, but like Vince said. If I get it open I will shot some pictures.

My step is custom made. It’s a simple 2 step that fits into the receiver. So two steps up to the bumper and one more into the camper door. Cost about $15 to make. I just started welding and that step is the first thing I ever welded. Its kind of cool because I can flip it over and mount it upside down when traveling. That way its not hanging down and is right there when I need it. Also can be used as a storage platform while its upside down.

Out of the 3 you picked above I like Truck-Pal Tailgate Ladder the best. But the Truck-Pal Tailgate Ladder might be awkward on uneven ground. Because of that, the Hitchmate Truck Step might be the best. I do like that it is not dependent on the ground for support.

Louie

[Bella PSD]

The Torsion bar carnage. Busted into two pieces! The aluminum cover did its job and kept the bar from flopping around after it broke. The last time I shut the flip I must of only used the aluminum cover. Looks like the aluminum is good for one closing if the t bar snaps. Good to know!
http://www.bellaphotographics.com/FlipPacBuild/Flip%20Pac%20Torsion%20bar%20005b.jpg
http://www.bellaphotographics.com/FlipPacBuild/Flip%20Pac%20Torsion%20bar%20006b.jpg
As requested…below is a picture of the inside. Now remember that I finished the outside construction the day before our big Core Banks NC trip. Most of what you see inside was done in a few hours. The day we departed for Core Banks I was up at 5am and just did what I could right up until it was time to go.

That morning I temporary installed the bench to the right. It folds out into a bed for two. The battery is all the way to the front left. Next to the battery is the 15-gallon water tank that’s plumed to the sink. The sink is to the left in the photo in the “custom” foam core cabinet (framed with 1x2’s). Gray water tank below the sink. Power Inverter to the lower left where a 12V fridge should be!! Toilet to the lower right.

The good thing here is I have the opportunity to change around anything I did not like on the 1st few camping trips. Like how the lower bed flips up. I will be ripping all this out for the real interior build after I get the 12V fridge.
http://www.bellaphotographics.com/FlipPacBuild/Flip%20Pac%20inside%20015b.jpg

Louie

[suntinez]

OUCH on the torsion bar, WOW on the interior. I really like what you've done ..... thank you for the pic! That looks really comfortable.

I'm working on a quick and dirty seutp because so far it's been alot of waiting and internet searching, but not enough travelling. But I'm learning all the way, thanks to you and others. Like you were saying, I think you learn what works best by doing, then modifying :)

Thanks again.

[suntinez]

Hi Louie,

So any update on the torsion bar? Did you weld or order a new one?

I've been having my own issues with a rain-test gone VERY wrong. Left the flippac open for 7 hours (don't ask) in a much heavier rain than was expected and wound up soaking the mattress, flooding all of the mattress area - yep right over the sides - and much of the interior. After a lot of sopping things up and removing the mattress to wring the water out, I'm having problems getting things back in order. The spongy thing that goes over the hinge subsequently froze and now wants to fold out instead of in, which means it's no longer a one person job to close the flip.

Fortunately I live near FRP and will be going to see them next week. And I bought the storm cover, talked to a guy in AK who has one and is pleased with it. Hopefully will get some pics of that to post.

[suntinez]

FRP took really good care of my rain fallout problems. They replaced the mattress, as well as the hinge cover and a few other waterlog issues. I'm back in flipping business! :)

[Bella PSD]

I ended up welding the bar back together for now. To install it back onto the Flip Pac you have to open the flip to a 90 degree. Support it some how and slide in the new (or fixed) bar. At the 90 degree is the spot the bar has no load on it (no twist). So it should slide in easy in this position. Just need to get it done and see if the weld will hold up??

Sorry to here about our water log…Glad they took care of you!! My foam centerpiece tends to fold out too. I use a long ice scraper that telescopes. Makes it a one person flip again.

Pictures would be cool….Every time my rain cover is on I never get a shot. Was going to take some pictures of the rain cover when the T-bar busted, so I am working on it. Maybe over Christmas holiday…

FYI, I asked FRP about a replacement tent just incase I ever need one. They will sell one for $600. That seems like a good price for as big a tent it is.

Louie

[suntinez]

Finally put the storm cover on today, it seems to work well - easy to put on, just tie it to the poles and flip - and I think it will keep rain out. It was a tight fit at the back, will play with it some and see if I can't get it on better - or maybe put it on backwards. It does require 4 bungees or rope to make it work right, I need longer ones to attach to the side step rail, hooked it on the bumper in the back.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/stormcovermid-flip.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/stormcoverstarthere.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/stormcover.jpg

[suntinez]

Louie,
Curious on how your torsion bar fix went?

I had something unexpected happen with mine a month or so ago. I was driving to lower altitudes to knock off ~15" of snow, here's part of it: http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/pileofsnow.jpg

As I pulled off on the side of the road, the whole load of snow fell off on the driver's side and popped the lid open! It was latched and locked when I started, but after I got out the passenger side hinge was still locked (barely), but the whole top was skewed about 3" to the left and the driver side hinge was hanging open off the side. And I could see the end of the torsion bar exposed beneath that aluminum casing.

Back to FRP - geeez - glad I'm nearby and within the first year warranty. They replaced the clips that hold the stabilizer bars, which broke in the process, realigned the torsion bar, and added an extra gasket to the top at the rear. I'll be driving carefully with a snow load in the future ... and tightening the adjustable latches down as much as possible.

[jayshapiro]

Hi There,

I spoke with Flippac on the phone today. They confirmed that they are working on a "Flippac Jr." for the Jeep Wrangler 4-door which should be ready by the end of the year. Their engineers are "trying to work out all the details now".

If this turns out to be for real, then I think there are a lot of us that would be very interested in a (AUS-spec) 4dr, diesel, RHD Wrangler, with the right spec' and a flippac in place of the standard hard top. Could be a very nice 2 person round-the-world set-up. If they make it flip 'backwards' (i.e. to the rear like on the Earthroamer) then they could even rig up a velcro 'room' attachment to create a living space below as a standard part of the setup.

Would be a very nice rig, and would allow the more capable do-it-yourselfers to essentially build a XV-JP and a substantially lower price.

http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/xv-jp_first_photos/img_0321_letter%20size_std.jpg
Not this one... but close! -- Photo copyright Earthroamer.


I'm excited...

Jay.

[VikingVince]

Jay,

I hope you're right and that they'll come through...but I wouldn't hold my breath.
They've been promising this for a couple years now. The Flippac is not their main business...that's why you don't see any advertising for Flippacs in any magazines whatsoever...at least I've never seen any. It's pretty much all by word of mouth.
Given it's price and features, I think the Flippac is one of the most under-appreciated and under-used options in the camping/offroad market. If they advertised a little, I think you'd see a lot more of them. In terms of price, living space, sleeping comfort it's a very viable choice. Earthroamer apparently thought so as well!

[Bella PSD]

I also think Earthroamer is on to something with their use of the Flip Pac style. I also gave Earthroamer a hard time about the use of a motor to flip the pac open. The more I deal with may broken T-bar on the Flip Pac, the more I am liking the Earthroamer motor idea!! In Flip Pac's defense, their T-bar did last about 10 years. Just a pain to get parts 2,000 miles away! With a motor, I could fix it anywhere, maybe.

Louie

[Rexsname]

I have a question in a different direction, When the FlipPac is closed for transport, Does the bedding stay on the bed? Does it fall off into the bed of the truck? Would resting the FlipPac on saw horses damage the mattress? Are the sides of the bed strong enough to support lift-jacks? If I get one I only want it on when we need to use it. The website shows a weight of 250lbs+/-. That seems very light to my sceptical mind, is the weight listed accurate?

Are the forward supports near the hood hidden/unobtrusive? Or do they stick up in an ugly way? I think I've read every thread on this forum and I thank you for your time and any new photos you may post to help with your answer. :wavey:

REX

[Bella PSD]

When the FlipPac is closed for transport, the bedding stays on the bed as long as you close the flip with the cover (cot) installed across the cap. Short answer Yes

Saw horses would damage the mattress. You could use a piece of plywood to spread the weight over the mattress. I bet that would be fine.

Not sure on the lift jacks or what you have in mind but the sides are very strong. My Flip Pac seems to be built better than the average cap.

I think mine "when new" was about #325. Thats for a full size truck. It took four people to move my when it was a stock Flip Pac.

The pin up front coming out of the hood sticks out about 3/4 inch. Not much at all. I never notice it, BUT I get asked all the time, "what is that".

Louie

[VikingVince]

I have a question in a different direction, When the FlipPac is closed for transport, Does the bedding stay on the bed? Does it fall off into the bed of the truck? Would resting the FlipPac on saw horses damage the mattress? Are the sides of the bed strong enough to support lift-jacks? If I get one I only want it on when we need to use it. The website shows a weight of 250lbs+/-. That seems very light to my sceptical mind, is the weight listed accurate?

Are the forward supports near the hood hidden/unobtrusive? Or do they stick up in an ugly way? I think I've read every thread on this forum and I thank you for your time and any new photos you may post to help with your answer. :wavey:

REX

I'll add my .02 to your questions.

Regular bedding (sheets, blankets) would stay in place if tucked under the sides of the mattress. A sleeping bag (single or double) might collapse towards the foot end of the mattress and make closing the flippac a bit tight. (because of the bunched up bag). But you could easily rig up a couple buckle straps across the bag to make the bag stay flat and in place. You've got a good inch to work with in terms of leaving any type of bedding there. The stock foam mattress is about 3 inches and perfectly comfortable when new and should last about 10 years plus. My flippac is 15 years old and the foam was compressing and I was feeling the bottom of the flippac.. so I replaced it with a high density 4" foam mattress...VERY comfy...I can still close the flippac no problem but can't leave my double sleeping bag in place. (no part of the tent or mattress and bedding ever comes into the truck bed if you remember to put the cover/cot in place)

You could rest the flippac on 4 sawhorses and not even touch the mattress. The flippac would be resting on the sides...very strong and no problem.

The weights are accurate...IMO, one reason the flippac is a viable alternative to a shell...no higher COG issues...plus you get all the benefits of standing room and building a living space.

Forward supports...do you mean the bars or the little pin gizmos they attach to?
Regardless, both are unobtrusive. It's important to put the gizmos exactly in the right spot so the bed is level when you open it and attach the bars to the gizmos. On the website you see some beds that don't look quite level...the gizmos should have been a little further forward.

[Rexsname]

Are the gizmos permanently affixed to the hood channel? Where are the forward supports stored? If the truck was parked slightly nose up or down, would the levelness of the mattress be adjustable?

I'm guess ing there would be a gas mileage hit in town, but what about on the highway? The extra weight would allready be moving and it doesn't look like the FlipPac stands up too much into the windstream. Just thinking out loud...:coffee:

[VikingVince]

Are the gizmos permanently affixed to the hood channel? Where are the forward supports stored? If the truck was parked slightly nose up or down, would the levelness of the mattress be adjustable?

I'm guess ing there would be a gas mileage hit in town, but what about on the highway? The extra weight would allready be moving and it doesn't look like the FlipPac stands up too much into the windstream. Just thinking out loud...:coffee:

The gizmos are permanently affixed in the hood channel. The forward bar supports are hinged on the back top of the flippac...unobtrusive.

No, the level of the mattress is not adjustable if the truck is parked at an up or down angle. I carry a couple short pieces of 2x6 nailed together as levelers and they're all I've ever needed.

Gas mileage...the flippac has minimal impact, IMO...overall, my truck is really heavy and I can still get 18-20 mpg on the freeway if I set the cruise control to 64mph. As soon as you go over 70, mpg drops quickly and significantly...like 5 mpg.

[suntinez]

Rex, here’s a few photos that might help. Hope they come out the right size ...

Parts overview:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/partsoverview.jpg

Pin gizmos in the hood channel, they stay in place. I don’t really notice them anymore but sometimes people do.
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/pinsinhood.jpg

Pins with stabilizer bars tied down:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/stabilizerbarspinneddown.jpg

Halfway flipping open:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/halfwayopen.jpg

Canopy and brackets, closed:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/canopybrackets.jpg

Canopy as a hammock, halfway open:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/hammockwithBarb.jpg

Sleeping area:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/sleepingarea.jpg

I leave a sheet/blanket tucked in around the mattress, no problem flipping it closed, everything stays in place. Instead of trying to get a sleeping bag to stay put when flipping, I close the canopy halfway and lay the sleeping bag on top of that part, then finish closing the canopy.

I think the weight on mine is close to 300lb, but I have the longbed version – 8 ft bed. Was the only real viable option for me on a ½ ton truck. Gas mileage – didn’t notice a difference before and after I got it. Like Vince said, way more dependent on how fast I drive. I leave mine on all the time, but took it off once with two other people, not difficult.

It's been a great solution for me, really enjoying it.

[VikingVince]

Instead of trying to get a sleeping bag to stay put when flipping, I close the canopy halfway and lay the sleeping bag on top of that part, then finish closing the canopy.


OF COURSE...I can't believe I never thought of that or tried it! LOL...just goes to show how looking at something a certain way prevents seeing another possibility!

[Rexsname]

Suntinez,

Thank you so much for your photo illustrations. I didn't know/understand that the hammock would also fit all the way across the interior of the roof/bed. I'm not sure we would ever use the hammock as extra sleeping area but it would be a handy place to set out the next mornings clothing.

You mentioned lifting it off once.....were you able to get your fingers between the truck bed and the FlipPac? I guess I'm having a hard time picturing the process. When you had it off did you just set it down on the driveway or garage floor? Saw horses? I have a fear of pinching my fingers between a heavy truck topper and the truck bed and not having the strength to remedy that problem.

Nice new truck, nice new FlipPac.... Are there options available when puchased new? I haven't heard the price tag but I'm guessing about $4K or so, am I at all close?

REX

[Rexsname]

One more thing now that I've looked at the pictures again, The hammock looks really floppy, loose and not at all comfortable. Am I misreading the appearence? Is there a way to firm it up? I also noticed in the pictures that there was a board placed in the spot that the hammock. Is this something you added after learning what works and doesn't work for you? What led you to add this?

Have you used the FlipPac in bad weather? Do you have the rain fly? Do you find any problem with condensation on the inside of the tent? When the tent is zipped shut, does it stay warm enough? When you are standing up in the bed of the truck, how much of a big step is it to climb into bed? Is a step needed? Do you feel the truck move much when you roll over at night? Does the FlipPac squeak against the truck bed on bumpy roads?

REX

[VikingVince]

I'm sure Suntinez will answer your questions and I think you'd like to hear her experience. I'll just say that the hammock can be opened/setup in a different way so it doesn't sag like that...in fact it's quite firm...I'm sure she knows that and probably just happened to have it that way when somebody climbed in.

Both Suntinez and I put a piece of plywood across part of the hammock and use it as a table. You can also hang the hammock completely to the side and out of the way entirely.

[Bella PSD]

Canopy and brackets, closed:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/canopybrackets.jpg



This is how firm the canopy is when I use it. The smaller side to the right. You sleeping on top of that side. It does not sag down much at all.

[VikingVince]

The above pic shows exactly what I was referring to. You leave the middle bar where it is and fold the other bar (on the left side of the pic) under it and the hammock stays firm. Suntinez just had it opened up the opposite way...she moved the middle bar over and the other bar in the middle...and as you can see there's more fabric between those two...hence the sag which you otherwise wouldn't have.

[Bella PSD]

This is what the canopy looks like rolled up out of the way (sorry, best pic I could find at 1am!).


There seems to have been a problem with the Expedition Portal Forums database. No picture uploaded. I will try again in the morning to upload the picture....:rolleyes:

Louie

[suntinez]

Lots of questions, I understand! If it wasn’t for the folks on this board I wouldn’t have mine today, and I really like it. Plus I couldn’t get a call back from FRP, so I just showed up at their door.

The first flippac I saw was in San Diego on a Tacoma and the guy said his 10 yr old son liked sleeping on the hammock part – but like others have said he had it pulled over tight, not hanging like the pic I posted. I leave it hanging like that and throw my clothes in there for now, until I can figure out the cabinet build. I put the table/board in so I can set things on it once settled in for the night (this was really a pic of my dog ...)

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/table.jpg

When it’s really cold I put a small propane heater on the board and it’s within arm’s reach to turn it off when ready to sleep. I could put my other stuff on the fabric directly but wouldn’t feel safe with a heater there. The tent holds the heat in pretty well, I’ve never woken up because of cold. I spoke with a guy in AK before buying the rain fly to see what he thought, he says it greatly improves heat retention, and works well in the rain. I haven’t used the stormcover yet (it never rains in socal! except when it pours ...) but expect to get weather on some upcoming trips, so we’ll see. Condensation on the inside is about the same as with any other tent.

Are you thinking about this for your Tacoma? 6.5ft bed? If so, Vince can probably better answer your question on the height to the sleeping area. My truck bed is almost 2 feet deep, then add the height of the shell. I believe fiberglass-master Louie added some height inches to his shell when he did his amazing mods (can’t remember where I saw that), but he has a nice convertible bench/bed inside to step up. Vince has cool cabinets/seats all around.

On mine it is 4 ft from the surface of the truck bed up to the sleeping area – so for me, I need a step. You can put one foot on the little shelf over the bed rail to step up, but getting down in the am is trickier cause I’m getting old and creaky. Plus it is a huge jump for my dog, she can do it but has bottomed out a couple times, ouch. I first put in a “floppy box” to help with that and storage, now I have raised the floor and set a storage ottoman on top of that so it’s easy. Getting up is definitely part of the interior design considerations.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/12vlights.jpg

Here’s the view looking down.
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/camper%20overview/DSC_0484.jpg


There’s a lip on the outside mine, so it’s easy to pickup. We just set mine on the driveway when removed since it wasn’t off for long. This is the only pic I have that kinda shows the lip. (floppy box here)

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/suntinez/box.jpg

Cost for mine was $3800, $450 for the paint match. I *think* the smaller ones are about $3300 new, that is just a guess. Options – only option is a fold down pass thru window which I wouldn’t get again – you have to fold the window down to open the slider, stupid. :confused: I’m changing that.

It doesn’t squeak (rubbery gasket underneath) or move around when driving offroad and the mattress feels very stable when you’re in it, even moving around up there. I don’t know how they do it but the torsion bar holds all the weight, and the stabilizer bars keep left/right motion to a minimum. It’s pretty bouncy (and not recommended) if the stabilizer bars aren’t pinned down.

Hope that helps, let us know if you get one. 6-8 wk lead time for mine, I had to wait for the stupid window.

[Rexsname]

Another reason this forum ROCKS!:punk03: I really apreciate the time and trouble you have taken to answer my 'nosey' questions. My situation is up in the air at the moment and it would need to be a desision made with my wifes input. Unfortunately, we wont know when she will get to come home for a while yet...........(see PTSD thread or PM for the gruesome details)

I'm firmly of the mindset that you get what you pay for, I dont think I'll be looking for a used one. For the cost of a new one and a quality 12v fridge I think we could learn to be quite comfortable. Lifes unexpected changes mean we will not be pulling a 35' 5th wheel anythime soon.

Thank you again for your helpful answers,

REX

[Bella PSD]

The Torsion bar carnage. Busted into two pieces! The aluminum cover did its job and kept the bar from flopping around after it broke. The last time I shut the flip I must of only used the aluminum cover. Looks like the aluminum is good for one closing if the t bar snaps. Good to know!

http://www.bellaphotographics.com/FlipPacBuild/Flip%20Pac%20Torsion%20bar%20006b.jpg




Looks like Flip Pac is finally shipping out my new torsion bar!!! Back ordered forever!! I will let everone know how the install goes.

Louie

[Rexsname]

Is the FlipPac held onto the truck bed with C-clamps or is it a drill-and-tap type of attachment? Does the rear window of the truck get real dirty from the dust sucking up into the small space between cab and shell? Is there enough room to get in there and clean the glass? How about dust intrusion into the living quarters after a day on the trail?

REX

[kcowyo]

Love your set-up Linda - :bowdown:
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[suntinez]

Thanks KC, getting there slowly but surely. I keep interrupting myself by taking it places ... but that's the whole point, eh? One day I'll get everything bolted down back there.

Louie ... can't wait ... you've been waiting a long time I know. Will be interested to see how that goes.

Rex, Mine attaches by six bolts through the bed railing, they don't suggest C-clamps for when it's flipped open and loaded with heavy humans. You can see a pic of one of them just above the fridge.

I got the flip-down window for cleaning between the cab and the shell. I have to leave windows open all the time 'cause my dog is a maniac (car herding, geez) and has to ride back there in her crate. So yep it gets kinda dusty ... one day she'll learn to ride in the cab like a proper spoiled dog, and the world will be a better place. :)

On the longbed versions of the flippac, there is a "scoop" on the bottom part up to the torsion bar - on the regular and shortbed versions there is a little "nose" that hangs over the truck cab. The shorter the bed - the longer the "nose". Both kinds pictured here (http://www.flippac.com/THE_FLIP_PAC/page_6.html). I really need to put a boot between the shell and the truck so snow doesn't get packed in there. On the shorter bed versions the nose would keep the snow out I think.

[Bella PSD]

On the shorter bed versions the nose would keep the snow out I think.

You would think so but not on mine! I get the same amount of snow falling between the space between cab and shell on my ARE cap as my Flip. No big deal, as the snow melts as soon as the truck warms up.

Also, I had mine C clamped down for 3-4 months before I started the Flip Pac camper build.

As far as dust intrusion on the trail... No, as long as you are closed up. Its very well sealed up when closed.

Diane, at Flip Pac, said the new torsion bar should be to me Today!!

Louie

[Rexsname]

I am less concerned about snow than dust. I also have a 'thing' about dirty windows, glass cleaner is allways in the truck:shakin: . Can you get your arm inbetween the topper and the truck?

REX

[Bella PSD]

My Flip was to old for the new flip down window Linda has on here new Flip Pac. Just get that option and you are set. My ARE cap has a flip down window and it is very easy to clean the dirt off of the rear glass on the truck and the front window on the cap.:)

Louie

[suntinez]

Louis, how's the torsion bar install going? Are you flipping again?

[vividartichoke]

Hello, new member seeking info. I went to see Flippac and am just about ready to order. I previously had a tent camper and loved the space and airiness. My concern is my 96 T100 4 cylinder 5 speed, 104K, stock except for belts, tires and shocks. It's an 8' longbed so it will be spacious. I'm concerned about weight and hills but I think the Toyota motorhomes have the same engine. I'm looking for feedback/opinions about if/what I should do to ready my truck for the extra weight. I have thought about trade-in but truck is too clean and worthless for that! Jean

[Bella PSD]

The Flip Pac is only about 250-350 lbs. Depending on the model. Your closer to the #350 with the 8 foot bed. That's not all that heavy. Now a 4cyl, that's a different story....

Louie

[Bella PSD]

Louis, how's the torsion bar install going? Are you flipping again?

I am Flipping again!!!! I took detailed pictures of the torsion bar install for a later post. Was easy to do and I did it a little different than Flip Pac said too.

Louie

[Bella PSD]

Jean,

:oops: Almost forgot.... WELCOME!!:)

Louie

[suntinez]

I am Flipping again!!!! I took detailed pictures of the torsion bar install for a later post. Was easy to do and I did it a little different than Flip Pac said too.

Louie

Excellent!! Will be interested to see the pics when you get them up.

Jean, welcome ... You'll be amazed at how much room you have with the longbed version of the flippac. Weight shouldn't really be an issue until you start adding things in the back. I've seen a couple of T100s sporting flippacs, no noticeable sagging . Like Louie said, under 350 lbs for the shell.

[Bella PSD]

Excellent!! Will be interested to see the pics when you get them up.



“Flip Pac torsion bar replacement”
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3702&page=9

Louie