'97 FZJ-80 1yr exped. prep advice

[Atomic Dog!]

Hi there,

Hoping to get some specific technical advice for my FZJ-80. I’m going to do a year long expedition through Central and South America. What are your recommendations on springs, shocks for a fully loaded truck. Scott has recommended OME 850 front, 864 rear with a 1-2” lift. The tires I’m planning on using are: 265/75 R16 BFG Mud, load E. I was planning on leaving my spare mounted under the truck. There is already a tow bar installed in the rear that hangs kind of low. So I’m concerned about ground clearance in lots o’ mud!

Additionally, any thoughts on specific spare parts I should bring? I’ve been advised to bring a spare birfield, I was also planning on bringing toyota brake pads. Should I bring filters & hoses or will they be readily available?

My truck runs super well (118K mi). I recently replaced the radiator with a larger metal one. What sort of preventative service would you recommend doing before I leave, (besides the typical top off fluids, lube etc.) On a different thread the engine gasket and heater hose were mentioned.
-Adriana

[Scott Brady]

1. Replace the heater hose behind the head
2. Replace ALL other hoses
3. Replace engine belt and keep original for a spare

The truck is 10 years old, which means the rubber is hardened and will likely fail. Hose failures are the only issue I have seen on the 80's (personally).

Tires:

I think we should discuss this in more detail too. Adriana will MOSTLY be on improved surfaces, hardened roads, highways and the typical remote routes. This does not require a big tire, and will allow her some good mileage, handling and ease of replacement with the 265/75.

However, she does want to be able to visit the remote Mayan and Inca sites too, in the jungle. So, maybe Henry can chime in here and advise on what is really needed. Maybe the jump to a 255/85 MT?

My original thoughts were to go with an AT for handling, wet road traction and efficiency, but now that these jungle tracks are on the radar I want to make sure she gets the best compromise.

She has no plans to regear, or add lockers due to the expense.

[TiredIronGRB]

The hoses (PHH) and the head gasket would be my only concern. It seems that most all FJZ80s eventually blown the head gasket, most go around 150K but I have seen a couple go under 100K. I would do a compression test and check the overflow bottle for bubbles at fast idle.

Also change the fuel filter, a lot of gas stations in that part of the world consist of a kid with various size fuel containers that have been lugged over half the country.

[Jonathan Hanson]

If budget is at all a concern I would probably skip the spare birfield. 80-series birfields are a lot bigger than the 40 series, and most of those who break birfields on 40s are running really big tires and lockers in really nasty terrain.

I agree that a slightly larger tire would be worth considering, but the ones she mentioned are a good choice, and as Scott mentioned a lot easier to handle.

Spare wiper blades - I'll bet the existing ones will wear out pretty quickly in rain and mud.

Upgraded headlights and/or driving lights mounted on the bumper. You can't always avoid driving at night.

[Hltoppr]

BTW...the OME 864 springs really...I mean REALLY...jack the rear end of these rigs up...try 4-5"+ depending on your load, so be careful. You might want to peruse the 80s section of IH8MUD.com for some pics and experiences. Only one guy I know, Photoman (Bill K.) on 'mud can really justify those springs..and his GVW is upwards of 8000lbs.

For "normal" expedition usage, go with the 863s, and review Mr. Brady's literature on loading and vehicle loads. If you don't have a copy, try to find Tom Sheppard's [U]Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide[U] and review it front to back....

Other than that:

1. Birfield repack w/trunion bearings (get ahold of CruiserDan on IH8MUD for the best pricing on OEM stuff...);
2. PHH...pesky heater hose....the one that Mr. Brady mentioned;
3. Brakes, hoses, belts;
4. Replace all fluids, including coolant, an put a new thermostat in.

Battery is going dead on the laptop...I'll add a bit later!

-H-

[upcruiser]

Regarding the tire topic, I would have been in full recomendation of a BFG AT if it wasn't just for one thing, the jungle goo mud. From my experiences, the AT lacks the lug clearing ability of the MT KM's in a big way. It is especially noticeable in mud with a high clay content. What the MT's lack in onroad refinement (noise and rougher ride) they buy back in the slop. I've been using MT's on my rig and been driving back and forth across North America a few times and it really isn't that bad IMO.

[Scott Brady]

BTW...the OME 864 springs really...I mean REALLY...jack the rear end of these rigs up...try 4-5"+ depending on your load, so be careful. You might want to peruse the 80s section of IH8MUD.com for some pics and experiences. Only one guy I know, Photoman (Bill K.) on 'mud can really justify those springs..and his GVW is upwards of 8000lbs.

For "normal" expedition usage, go with the 863s, and review Mr. Brady's literature on loading and vehicle loads. If you don't have a copy, try to find Tom Sheppard's [U]Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide[U] and review it front to back....


I worked with Adriana on a gear list, and she will be at 1,500-1,800 lbs over the rear axle. That will put her at GVW. Also given that she will have that load essentially continuous I recommended the 864.

[Scott Brady]

Given Adriana's goal of reaching some very remote site, including Cival, which is rumored to be quite challenging, I am thinking she needs a little larger tire than the 265.

Of course, going with the larger tires (and a Mt) will require some road and economy compromises. 315's are out of the question due to the regearing expense.

I think the 255/85 R16 BFG MT would make for a solid compromise. It would give her a 33" diameter and the rolling resistance of the narrower tire.

The 285/75 would also be a good fit, and likely easier to replace. With how heavy her truck is going to be, the extra flotation might be welcome...

[bigreen505]

Does siping MT tires have any effect on mpg -- i.e. does making the tire slightly more pliable with the sipes give back any of the mpg that is lost to the agressive tread? What about noise at freeway speeds? There is only one set of tires that I have run both siped and unsiped and while siping made a huge difference in snow traction (i.e. the difference between 4WD required and somewhat optional), any other difference have been lost to my bad memory. FWIW, the tires that I ran siped/unsiped were the Michelin LTX A/T, which were a decent tire, but nothing remarkable in any condition.

[Hltoppr]

I worked with Adriana on a gear list, and she will be at 1,500-1,800 lbs over the rear axle. That will put her at GVW. Also given that she will have that load essentially continuous I recommended the 864.


Yup, that makes perfect sense with that weight. :iagree: IIRC the 864s were designed for the OZ market, with the intention to have a rear swing out carrier (1-2 tires etc.), rear cargo drawers full of tools, and aux. undercarriage fuel/water storage. The 863s were designed for a constant 400 lb. load in the rear, which it appears will be easily done with Adriana's rig.

And when in doubt, I'd opt for the heavier springs. Maybe get a set of 863s to throw on when you get home for use as the daily driver.

-H-

[pskhaat]

I know this makes no sense, but the FJ80s seem to sit MUCH higher with 864s than FZJ80s. Makes no sense I know considering basically same truck, but the 864s are level with my 850s up front even under light load. fj803fe's 1992 FJ80 has 863s that with both trucks unloaded sit like 1" higer than my FZJ80 w/ 864s. Fo figure.

[calamaridog]

What plans for extra fuel?

[blupaddler]

Adriana,


I whole-heartedly recommend the 864's. I have them on my 80. Granted I have the spare tire carrier, 44 gallon aux fuel tank, tools, sliders, etc. They are over kill EXCEPT when I load the 80 up. For our Baja trip, fully loaded with my wifes gear and mine, plus dog and supplies. I actually sat level, probably a little lower actually. So, get them.

Shocks, just the regular OME shocks, not the "L", which are longer.


Also, like Scott said, HOSES...One of my power steering lines failed in Baja. Luckily it was fixed with some 1/4" fuel line. Granted my 80 is a 1994, and had 150K or so on it...It would at least be a good idea to change them out. Inspect them after removal and keep the good ones for spares.


Preventitive:
#1. You said you are on ih8mud. Find CDan, he is a parts guru in New Mexico and will get you ALL the Toyota parts you need. He not only has like the entire parts book memorized, but will be able to give you insight into which parts to get. The best part is he gets you the parts at a discount. So...buy all Toyota parts from CDan.

#2 PHH...Pesky Heater Hose. A small $5-10 part that will more than likely fail at the most incovienent time.

#3 Hoses, Belts, Fluids, Plugs, Cap, Rotor, etc...Bring extra fluids (gear oil, motor oil, AT fluid, anti-freeze)

#4 Change your fuel filter, and either keep it as a spare or get a new one as a spare. Also, since you will be adding the bigger fuel tank they recommend you change the filter after adding the tank anyway.



I would recommend some sort of tire carrier. I know they can cost $$$. But, I would never want to try and dig a spare out from a stuck truck. Arghh. Kaymar makes a good spare bumper which you can add a spare tire carrier or two, if you want. Or even add a jerry can carrier, or both. I think Man-a-Fre sells the Kaymar for $800 and the tire carrier for $400. OR try Hanna Quality www.hannaquality.com they make a nice bumper with the swing out for about $1400. If I were to buy another one now, I would buy the Hanna.


Lights...I would upgrade your headlights with brighter bulbs and use Slee's upgrade harness. This will help. Some driving lights would be nice too.




Lastly, you mentioned you live in Newport. I live in San Diego. Although my days off tend to be weird, weekdays, if you need any help let me know. Boston Mangler also owns an 80, and is here in SD as well. I know we both need to do our PHH. Anyway...

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[Atomic Dog!]

Thanks to everyone for sharing your wisdom.


What plans for extra fuel?

I'm replacing the stock tank with a 38 gal. replacement and will probably carry a can or two just in case.

Seems to be concensus on the 864s and replacing hoses (esp. PHH) belts, fuel filter. Also sounds like the gasket should be looked at.


#3 Hoses, Belts, Fluids, Plugs, Cap, Rotor, etc...Bring extra fluids (gear oil, motor oil, AT fluid, anti-freeze)


Do you really think I won't be able to find fluids down there? Maybe I'm naive but I sorta thought I'd be able to buy normal stuff like that wherever I go.


#1. You said you are on ih8mud. Find CDan, he is a parts guru in New Mexico and will get you ALL the Toyota parts you need. He not only has like the entire parts book memorized, but will be able to give you insight into which parts to get. The best part is he gets you the parts at a discount. So...buy all Toyota parts from CDan.

Let me clarify, I lurk on ih8mud, I'm way too intimidated to jump in with that group! Sounds like CDan is an awsome guy to know. I do have a good mechanic who can set me up with all the Toyota stuff. He'll be my contact if I get stuck without something, I'll be able to email him and he'll ship it wherever I am.




I would recommend some sort of tire carrier. I know they can cost $$$. But, I would never want to try and dig a spare out from a stuck truck. Arghh. Kaymar makes a good spare bumper which you can add a spare tire carrier or two, if you want. Or even add a jerry can carrier, or both. I think Man-a-Fre sells the Kaymar for $800 and the tire carrier for $400. OR try Hanna Quality www.hannaquality.com they make a nice bumper with the swing out for about $1400. If I were to buy another one now, I would buy the Hanna.

I had been trying to avoid this expense, but I'm wondering if it may be a good idea for a couple of reasons a. the one you stated about digging the spare out from underneath b. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't this give me an additional lift point if I were to use a hi-lift jack? (so far I only have the front bumper) c. jerry can carrier so they don't have to go on the roof or inside. d. if I have to get an under mounted water tank I'd need the room...



Lights...I would upgrade your headlights with brighter bulbs and use Slee's upgrade harness. This will help. Some driving lights would be nice too.

Hmm, hadn't thought of that. Learning more and more..



Lastly, you mentioned you live in Newport. I live in San Diego. Although my days off tend to be weird, weekdays, if you need any help let me know.

Thanks, that'd be fun, matching a face to an alias! My schedule is flexible so maybe we can find a good day for it.

-Peace, Adriana

[michaelgroves]

Does siping MT tires have any effect on mpg -- i.e. does making the tire slightly more pliable with the sipes give back any of the mpg that is lost to the agressive tread? What about noise at freeway speeds? There is only one set of tires that I have run both siped and unsiped and while siping made a huge difference in snow traction (i.e. the difference between 4WD required and somewhat optional), any other difference have been lost to my bad memory. FWIW, the tires that I ran siped/unsiped were the Michelin LTX A/T, which were a decent tire, but nothing remarkable in any condition.

The main concern on an expedition is damage to the tyre. I'd steer clear of siping, especially an MT, because it makes breaking lugs more likely. Any effect on MPG (positive or negative) is minimal. If it were a good idea, BFG would do it at the factory :)

[calamaridog]

The main concern on an expedition is damage to the tyre. I'd steer clear of siping, especially an MT, because it makes breaking lugs more likely. Any effect on MPG (positive or negative) is minimal. If it were a good idea, BFG would do it at the factory :)

Excellent!

[michaelgroves]

Do you really think I won't be able to find fluids down there? Maybe I'm naive but I sorta thought I'd be able to buy normal stuff like that wherever I go.

It's a good idea to carry enough fluids to refill, in case you have a roadside problem and lose, say, your brake fluid. But basic oils are readily obtainable anywhere. Don't expect synthetics! (I found GL5 gear oils, and DOT4 brake fluids hard to find, so I had to tolerate GL4 and DOT3 when I changed oils).



I had been trying to avoid this expense, but I'm wondering if it may be a good idea for a couple of reasons a. the one you stated about digging the spare out from underneath b. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't this give me an additional lift point if I were to use a hi-lift jack? (so far I only have the front bumper) c. jerry can carrier so they don't have to go on the roof or inside. d. if I have to get an under mounted water tank I'd need the room...

Spare underneath is horrible. But be careful of too much weight out behind the rear axle - there's an awful lot of leverage out there, so a 20kg jerry can a metre behind the axle puts close to 30kg of load on the axle... Not sure a rear carrier would make a strong enough jacking point either, unless designed specifically.


Lights: I'd put in brighter bulbs, but maybe leave the driving lights. Expensive to buy good ones, desirable to thieves, and they make you look even more affluent. And you know not to drive at night. (If night-driving is unavoidable, good headlights are a must, but you can just drive within the limits of your lights). A mounted work-light or two is great though - switches in the cab.

[pskhaat]

Also sounds like the gasket should be looked at.

The easiest way to tell is that on each side of the engine between the block on the head you will see some wet or dried salty `seepage'. If you do or run your fingers alongside this junction and get deposits (other than the standard dirt) on your hands you may have a leaking head gasket.

The big problem is that even if that is not present, it may still be leaking internally. Some folks recommend getting the engine at operating temperature then look at the overflow tube going into the reservoir fluid. If there are small bubbles coming out then you very likely do have a blown gasket.

Mine needed to be replaced at 80k miles, and contrary to a scary steering/axle incident at Slee's recently, and my drving at the EP rally, I drive my 80 like it costs 10x as much and keep maintenance tops with synthetics all around and the whole 9 yards: still had a gasket failure;l leaking like a rabid dog on the sides of the engine.

[Hltoppr]

For gas cans, go with the steel NATO style wedco cans (www.expeditionexchange.com) or Scepter cans. I absolutely love my NATO cans...thousands of rough miles and not one leak....not even fumes!

-H-

[Mike S]

Repack the front wheel bearings and double check the pre-load. Check rears as well. Add a 12V fan inside the truck. In addition to the other items mentioned, carry a sat phone and numbers to call in various possible emergencies.

I added a large dual inlet/outlet fuel filter on the frame of the 80, a Mallory. Carry a spare filter or two.

Carry two spares.

M

[Boston Mangler]

For "normal" expedition usage, go with the 863s, and review Mr. Brady's literature on loading and vehicle loads. If you don't have a copy, try to find Tom Sheppard's

I HAD 863's in the back of my rig, and with the rig loaded with food and gear for 3 days they were sagging and that was with NO BUMPER at all on the rear and the spare was on the roof! Those springs were wayyy too soft!


BTW...the OME 864 springs really...I mean REALLY...jack the rear end of these rigs up...try 4-5"+ depending on your load, so be careful. You might want to peruse the 80s section of IH8MUD.com for some pics and experiences. Only one guy I know, Photoman (Bill K.) on 'mud can really justify those springs..and his GVW is upwards of 8000lbs.

Going to have to disagree here! If you plan on a heavy bumper and spare and some fuel on the back of the rig, those springs are perfect! I have added a 44 gallon tank and when loaded for camping with the fridge, food, and gear in the back, and 44 gallons of fuel the springs are compressed to level, if not a little sagging! I have even contemplated getting stiffer ones! And that is with NO REAR bumper yet as well!

I now run the J's in the front and the 864's in the rear and unless i am loaded to the max, they work perfect!

Thats my .02

p.s. i dont know where you are located but you are welcome to come to san diego and check out my rig for yourself. I have driven a dozen or so 80's and feel i have dialed mine in perfectly!

[Boston Mangler]

I'm replacing the stock tank with a 38 gal. replacement and will probably carry a can or two just in case.

You may want to rethink that if your talking about the REPLACEMENT tank that Man A Fre sell, i was thinking that route, but there are a decent # of folks out there that had problems with that unit, easily dented, one guy busted a weld and most people complain the driveshaft sits scarily close and if bent slightly would rub a whole in the tank!


Seems to be concensus on the 864s and replacing hoses (esp. PHH) belts, fuel filter. Also sounds like the gasket should be looked at.

The head gasket cant be looked at, its kinda weird, the original ones have an internal flaw in them and tend to all fail in the same spot inside. As for fuel filters, i carry a spare with me at all times in case i get some crummy fuel that mucks up my filter, i can change it out!



Let me clarify, I lurk on ih8mud, I'm way too intimidated to jump in with that group! Sounds like CDan is an awsome guy to know. I do have a good mechanic who can set me up with all the Toyota stuff. He'll be my contact if I get stuck without something, I'll be able to email him and he'll ship it wherever I am.



Dan is THE MAN for 80's! I have spent over $4k through him on my rig and not a single mistake on his part ever!

[Boston Mangler]

Other items that will help out a bunch:

-Georges LED lights for the interior, VERY nice upgrade over the stock lighting, helps out a bunch! Info here: http://www.taskled.com/

-Non US Rearmost Cargo Light to help you see your gear in the cargo area at night (i did this upgrade with a "Georges LED" and its one of the most useful mods i have done! Info here: http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=82720

-44 Gallon Aux Tank (for a total of 69 gallons). Info here: http://www.yankeetoys.org/mangler/auxtank.htm

-Upgrade your headlight bulbs to the Toshiba HIR's. These are the best bulbs available right now and dont require the upgrade harness (which many folks on mud have had corrosion problems with). Info on these lights here: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/

Oh, and of course a fridge of some sort, the bigger the better! :beer:

[Atomic Dog!]

Ok, I was planning on picking up parts up at MAF next week but it turns out they can’t help me find side panel water storage they originally told me about and this may affect how I build the truck because I need to carry 20-30 gal. of water. (I need a lot of water traveling with 2 dogs.)

What kind of water storage does everyone use? Michael, I appreciate your comments regarding the ability to clean the water tanks and carrying water of varying degrees of purity. I planned on having some portable storage as well as the onboard storage. I was going to transfer the contents of 5 gallon bottles into my storage system. Also, I’ll be bringing a water purification system so I don’t have to worry about bad water when I don’t find bottled. Without the tanks, I’ve got to find a way to carry 20-30 gallons of water. That would mean 4-6 jerry cans of water inside an 80 along with all the parts, camping gear, fridge, supplies for a year and room for dogs? Hmm, I’m having difficulty picturing how that is all going to fit. Everyone says I shouldn’t put heavy stuff like water cans on the roof. Suggestions?

Gas Tank: MAF told me the 44 gal aux tank was made of thinner material and hung a little low, thus easier to tear. Not true? BTW, nice build page Boston Mangler, but as you mention on the bottom, it is rather complicated and I’ve got to pay someone to do it. I thought for my purposes the 38 gal. replacement was better since it’d be simpler to install, no second/double neck second pump etc. and I wouldn’t need to move my spare (which of course I’m now considering for the afore mentioned reasons) Any other opinions 38 gal replacement vs. 44 gal aux tank? This may be a mute point if I need the space for a water tank.

Spare tire location: Not good under, not good over, not good behind, where then does it go.. on the hood? Do they make a fastener I can use on an FJ 80 hood? There are an awful lot of people out there carrying tires and cans on the rear bumper. Any other opinions on the stability of that set up?

Tires:
I think the 255/85 R16 BFG MT would make for a solid compromise. It would give her a 33" diameter and the rolling resistance of the narrower tire… The 285/75 would also be a good fit, and likely easier to replace. With how heavy her truck is going to be, the extra flotation might be welcome...
Any further thoughts? I really only want to take one spare and try to stick to tires I’d be able to buy there if I need to.

Lights: Michael, I agree about adding lights. Maybe working lights and getting brighter bulbs but I don’t know about adding lots of lights. BTW Boston Mangler, I have replaced my interior lights with George’s, they’re great!!:) I’ll look into the bulb suggestion you made for the headlights.

Shocks: 850/864 win hands up! :luxhello:

Michael: Good advice on the fluids, I figured I should take some things and buy others there.


Repack the front wheel bearings and double check the pre-load. Check rears as well.

-thanks for that input. I’m going to have a couple of fans for dogs, and already on the Sat phone search..

Awsome, input from all thanks so much,
Adriana

[upcruiser]

Adrianna, are you considering installing a roof basket? I can't remember now if you ruled this out or not. I have one on my 80 and I put jerry cans, water, my highlift, my spare, and other recovery equipment up there with no issues. Yes you want to avoid putting too much weight on the roof but I've tested this setup with mine and run some pretty hairy stuff in Moab with the roof loaded to see how it would react. Yes, there is more side to side movement, but really it wasn't THAT bad and I was doing more technical stuff. For what you are planning I don't think putting some nonvaulables on the roof would be that big of a deal. The advantages that I found are: 1. Not putting a heavy/expensive rear bumper on 2. Hanging alot of weight off of that bumper, 3. The load in the basket can be centered fore aft and side to side better, and 4. you are getting a ton more storage space with the basket.

The only concern I could think of really for you is security of items on the roof and if you really load it down being aware of the handling differences. My 2 cents.

Also, just for perspective, with my 80 I have the 850/863's. Unloaded the rear end sits noticeably higher then the front. When loaded (the last trip I used the truck on was 2 months) it sat perfectly level. I have the stock rear bumper but had quite a bit of equipment with me. I think with what you have planned for mods and the amount of things you are bringing that the 864's might be a better fit (I'm assuming you are going to have a heavier rear load then my uses). Here's a shot were you can see how I fit fuel and water on my roof on my last trip.

[blupaddler]

Water storage:

I believe you mentioned somewhere that you will be building a platform. You could fit a RV type water storage tank in there. Ideally towards the middle of vehicle to keep weight centralized. For other storage of water, I have and highly recommend MSR dromedary bags. I am using the 10L versions and have two. They are nice b/c they are soft and flexible, but tough, so you can easily stow them when not being used.

http://www.msrcorp.com/hydration/dromedary.asp

Also, check out Desert Dudes awesome water set-up in his 80. Maybe more fancy than what you're looking for, but the tank is good.




Lastly, I am sure you figured out by now. But, take out all the seats except for the front two seats. It makes for a great amount of storage, and the dogs will dig it too!

[blupaddler]

Cool, I posted in the correct section this time

:confused:

:clapsmile :clapsmile :clapsmile

[Atomic Dog!]

You could fit a RV type water storage tank in there. Ideally towards the middle of vehicle to keep weight centralized. For other storage of water, I have and highly recommend MSR dromedary bags.

Scott told me about those bags, so that's what I was planning on using for the portable stuff. As for the storage tank, I guess I should talk with some RV outfitters?

I'll have to check out Desertdude's water system.


take out all the seats except for the front two seats.

-Oh yeah! It's the first thing I do when I get a new truck. :sombrero:


Adrianna, are you considering installing a roof basket?

Yes, I thought I go with the African Outback rack but I'm also putting a roof tent on the back so that'll take up a lot of room too. I've actually been considering mounting the tent to the top rail and sliding some flat stuff underneath. I was told not to put heavy things like fuel/water tanks and such up top due to the maneuverability issues?

-Adriana

[Scott Brady]

Call Christo at Slee Off-Road. He had a very nice carpeted water tank, which I believe was 19 gallons. It secured with straps.

I have made a post to the water storage thread, just to keep things tidy: http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=26712#post26712

[upcruiser]

That's right, I was forgetting that you were planning on using a rooftop tent. Yes, you do want to avoid putting heavy loads on the roof whenever possible. My point was more around that fact that sometimes it gets blown out of proportion a bit. Some people get phobic about putting anything on the roof, but from my experience, even with some pretty heavy loads in an 80 series is that you can do quite a bit with even a big load. Emergency maneuvers can be an issue, but just like having the respect that an SUV takes over a standard car, if you are a smart driver, the issues are minimized.

[Atomic Dog!]

Some people get phobic about putting anything on the roof, but from my experience, even with some pretty heavy loads in an 80 series is that you can do quite a bit with even a big load. Emergency maneuvers can be an issue, but just like having the respect that an SUV takes over a standard car, if you are a smart driver, the issues are minimized.

Good to know, I'll keep it in mind, I'm definitely gonna use the roof for some stuff..

-Adriana

[Atomic Dog!]

Water storage..
Also, check out Desert Dudes awesome water set-up in his 80. Maybe more fancy than what you're looking for, but the tank is good.


::Wow1:Desert Dude's set up is IDEAL! Wow, so sophisticated, I really had no idea you could do that with an 80. All the brain storming from folks was terrific. Unfortunately I tried looking at the pics but some of the links have gone bad. Still I can just imagine..

Any volunteers to help me create a similar set up? I've got no tools but I'm pretty handy for a girl. :drool:

Peace, Adriana

[gjackson]

What kind of water storage does everyone use? Michael, I appreciate your comments regarding the ability to clean the water tanks and carrying water of varying degrees of purity. I planned on having some portable storage as well as the onboard storage. I was going to transfer the contents of 5 gallon bottles into my storage system. Also, I’ll be bringing a water purification system so I don’t have to worry about bad water when I don’t find bottled. Without the tanks, I’ve got to find a way to carry 20-30 gallons of water. That would mean 4-6 jerry cans of water inside an 80 along with all the parts, camping gear, fridge, supplies for a year and room for dogs? Hmm, I’m having difficulty picturing how that is all going to fit. Everyone says I shouldn’t put heavy stuff like water cans on the roof. Suggestions?

Obviously Michael knows his stuff, but often in smaller vehicles (with ONLY 2 axles!!:sombrero: ) mounted tanks are the only way to efficiently store water. We have a 10gal tank on the 110, plus we carried 2 7gal jerrys and one 5 gal jerry. That's 36 gal capacity. I would have preferred and am planning on building a system with a second mounted tank and a ceramic filter system with a 12v pump. In Africa we used a Pur backpacking pump filter, and you only need to filter 20L of water once to know that is not the best system for overlanding!! Brownchurch in the UK makes a really nice filter and shower system:

http://www.brownchurch.co.uk/waterpurification.html

But it is *very* expensive. My advise it to spend the time and the money on day to day living stuff like water, packing, sleeping food storage etc. Things like winches and lockers and lights are very useful if you need them, but the opportunity cost of buying them and scrimping elsewhere can make your day to day living a lot less comfortable!

Sounds like a mounted water tank and a rear tire/jerry holder w/ jacking points would be your best compromise.

Just my 2c

cheers

[Scott Brady]

My advise it to spend the time and the money on day to day living stuff like water, packing, sleeping food storage etc. Things like winches and lockers and lights are very useful if you need them, but the opportunity cost of buying them and scrimping elsewhere can make your day to day living a lot less comfortable!


Exactly, and coming from a guy that spent 9 months living out of his Land Rover...

[michaelgroves]

I'm going to stick to my guns here. But only to restate the alternative view: there are very few advantages to a built-in water tank (compared to individual loose containers), unless you have under-chassis space. Otherwise, you need pretty much the same volume of internal storage space, no matter what solution you choose. (But containers can be moved around, optimising what space you do have).

A built-in tank sounds like a good idea, (and is perhaps a good idea if you have good water all the time), but you'll curse it when you unwittingly top up with tainted water from a service station, or suddenly see the dregs from the bottom of a well swirling up through your filler hose.

None of these things are make-or-break. But I'd choose to spend less money on what I think is overall a better solution, even with only two axles :)

If you do go the Nato plastic can route, it's also worth getting a through-the-lid outlet hose, to a 12V pump. The pump and tap can be permanent fittings somewhere convenient, and the outlet hose screwed onto whichever can is appropriate. When the can's empty, just transfer the hose to the next can. A push-on hose from the tap to a filter is handy too, for filling drinking water bottles.

Be aware with filters that they vary in quality, the best ones removing pretty much all suspended particles and the flora and fauna that might otherwise give you a very comprehensive guided tour of the local toilet facilities (or worse).

What they won't do reliably is to remove dissolved impurities such as poisons, salts, foul tastes, heavy metals, etc. There is no good way of doing that, short of distillation. Since most of the likely poisons and metals have a cumulative effect, it's good practice not to drink water for a long time from the same (untrusted) source.

You will almost certainly be safe drinking bottled water, though research done a few years ago in Nairobi, Kenya, showed that all but 2 brands of bottled water sold, turned out to be Nairobi municipal tap water, with no additional treatment! The same thing is doubtless true in many places (though perhaps not on the same scale!), but even so, you are unlikely to get anything worse than a bad bout of Delhi-belly from most city water.

Regarding quantities of water to carry, I have no idea what your dogs drink, but figure on at least 4 litres per day of drinking water for yourself, and maybe the same for the dogs. Washing and dishwashing can be skimped on when you are short, but for normal use, I'd say another 5 - 8 litres. Call it 20 litres per day, and you'll be comfortable but not prodigal. Laundry and a more comprehensive shower can be done when water is plentiful. You can count on being able to get water of some quality on most days - but you need to be able to go 3 days or so without, in some places. And you need a reserve for the engine, "lending" to other people, getting clean after maintenance or mud, etc. I'd say 80L in total would be sensible and ample, unless I got the dogs wrong. Always keep the last 20L or so for drinking only, if you find yourself down on stocks.

Rgds

M...

[Boston Mangler]

One more note, be careful if you look into those Opposite lock tanks, most of those mount exactly where the sliders would, so if you have sliders they wont work.

Its a bummer because that was the solution i was hoping for! :drool:

[Atomic Dog!]

Sounds like a mounted water tank and a rear tire/jerry holder w/ jacking points would be your best compromise.


That's what I'm leaning towards at this point. I looked at the Slee tank which is nice but as Michael said, is still taking up interior storage. And can I just ask, What is with all the carpeting? Carpet on the water tank, carpet on the drawers. As a multi-dog owner and total girl when it comes to cleaning I've spent the better part of 14 years trying to avoid carpeting!!


One more note, be careful if you look into those Opposite lock tanks, most of those mount exactly where the sliders would, so if you have sliders they wont work.

Since I don't have sliders, this may be a good option. I'm kinda thinking I want to go stainless steel though. I know these tanks could rust, but if so might still be reparable. Once plastic breaks I'm afraid that's it.


I'd say 80L in total would be sensible and ample, Yep, 80L about 21 Gal that's about what I was thinking for a minimum. Dogs aren't great at conserving water. They some times spill as much as they drink. Also, when I travel with them and it is hot I often rinse them off and/or soak towels to keep them cool.

As for the purification system, this is the purification system I'll use: http://www.generalecology.com/ Seem like their system does it all, gets rid of the nasty bugs and takes care of chemical impurities and taste. Not cheap but when it comes to clean water I don't mind the expense. :p

-Adriana

[Boston Mangler]

Since I don't have sliders, this may be a good option.

I STRONGLY suggest putting sliders on your rig though! Almost as important as suspension and tires IMHO, especially on a rig that will see offroad use! Ask any 80 owner that has hit that area under the door, its a HUGE repair!




I'm kinda thinking I want to go stainless steel though. I know these tanks could rust, but if so might still be reparable. Once plastic breaks I'm afraid that's it.

Check out OOT4WD in Austrailia. That is who i bought my aux tank from and can honestly say the quality is AMAZING!!! They offer both Stainless and Aluminum water tank options for the 80 series.

Info here: http://www.thelongranger.com.au

Thats my .02

[tarbe]

I did not see this mentioned...you definitely want to replace the fan clutch with the new blue model if you are still running the original unit.

Lots of overheating in these trucks can be traced, at least in part, to a failed fan clutch.

Tim

[Atomic Dog!]

It was a grueling 9 hours in LA traffic but WooHoo! I’ve got my parts!!! :victory: I just got back from a trip to MAF where I picked up the following:

Replacement fuel tank 38 gal
OME 850/864 springs, LT shocks, steering stabilizer
ARB Bull Bar
Safari Snorkel
Dual Battery Kit
Water tank, (metal fits underneath slightly off center under passenger seat so no need to move spare. Yeah! Now I just need to get the Shurflo pump and figure out how/where to mount the fittings.)
Winch arrived yesterday

I wish I had a digital camera to take some before pictures. I’ve bought a disposable so eventually I’ll scan some pics in and upload so you can see.

Thank you everyone for your advice on this. I’m sure those Long Ranger tanks are great. It’s a cost thing.. I saved myself hundreds of $$$ by being able to pick the stuff up instead of ship it.

-Adriana

[Atomic Dog!]

I did not see this mentioned...you definitely want to replace the fan clutch with the new blue model if you are still running the original unit.

Lots of overheating in these trucks can be traced, at least in part, to a failed fan clutch.

Tim

Interesting, no I hadn't heard of this but will look into it, thanks..

-Adriana

[blupaddler]

Congrats!!!


I will interested to see how you like the water tank. I have heard they heat up the water b/c of their location.

Good luck!!!

:luxhello:

[rgsiii]

I may have missed it, but you should consider changing the starter contacts. As far as the PHH goes, I would place a high end job placed while doing the starter. This site sells a "kit" I think you could the same parts cheaper in some locations--I don't have access to the hoses locally. http://www.1fzfephh.com/

With the lift kit, I think extended stainless brake lines and lengthened breathers would be appropriate.

I have on board CO2, but I am not sure of the availability of refills and the size might make a portable air compressor system better for a one year trip.

Very likely you will need to add multiple 12v outlets. An OBDII reader might not be a bad idea along with a factory service manual.

I am not sure of your planned route, but malaria prophylaxis may be advisable. Some sort of first aid kit and medications would be a good thing. along with sunscreen and bug spray. Boiling water or a filtration system might be adviseable in some areas. Check on your health insurance and car insurance. There is an affordable air evacuation company Medjetassist and there are travel related health insurance companies. I am pretty sure my current health insurance would be worthless.

[Atomic Dog!]

I may have missed it, but you should consider changing the starter contacts. As far as the PHH goes, I would place a high end job placed while doing the starter. This site sells a "kit" I think you could the same parts cheaper in some locations--I don't have access to the hoses locally.


Thanks for that info.


With the lift kit, I think extended stainless brake lines and lengthened breathers would be appropriate.


Included in the kit.


I have on board CO2, but I am not sure of the availability of refills and the size might make a portable air compressor system better for a one year trip.

I'm planning on using a the Extreme Outback portable air compressor.


Very likely you will need to add multiple 12v outlets.

Right, one of the things, along with a water system and power converter that I'm going to have to take some time to plan.


An OBDII reader might not be a bad idea along with a factory service manual.

Hmm, my own reader? I hadn't considered that. The factory or Haynes manual goes without saying.


I am not sure of your planned route, but malaria prophylaxis may be advisable.. Boiling water or a filtration system might be adviseable in some areas.. There is an affordable air evacuation company Medjetassist and there are travel related health insurance companies.

I got the clean water situation covered, I just need to work on the plumbing and set up. As for the health issues, yep, there is a lot to do.. I got to get busy!

-Adriana

[rgsiii]

Also, I would go with the genuine Toyota air filter--it is washable and able to be reused.

This sounds like a fun trip!

[BajaTaco]

It was a grueling 9 hours in LA traffic but WooHoo! I’ve got my parts!!! :victory: I just got back from a trip to MAF where I picked up the following:

Replacement fuel tank 38 gal
OME 850/864 springs, LT shocks, steering stabilizer
ARB Bull Bar
Safari Snorkel
Dual Battery Kit
Water tank, (metal fits underneath slightly off center under passenger seat so no need to move spare. Yeah! Now I just need to get the Shurflo pump and figure out how/where to mount the fittings.)
Winch arrived yesterday

I wish I had a digital camera to take some before pictures. I’ve bought a disposable so eventually I’ll scan some pics in and upload so you can see.

Thank you everyone for your advice on this. I’m sure those Long Ranger tanks are great. It’s a cost thing.. I saved myself hundreds of $$$ by being able to pick the stuff up instead of ship it.

-Adriana

Hey, great news!!!

:jumping:

[cruiser guy]

The factory or Haynes manual goes without saying.

The factory manual as a reference to repair the truck and the Haynes manual for "hygenic paper"?:D

You might guess that I don't think very highly of the Haynes books!

[upcruiser]

Any pictures yet? I'm curious to see how this is turning out.:chowtime:

[Atomic Dog!]

The factory manual as a reference to repair the truck and the Haynes manual for "hygenic paper"?:D

LOL, Ok, the factory manual then!! :sombrero:

No pics yet Upcruiser, I took the before pics with the disposable but I haven't developed it yet.

I'm also going with BFG 285/75 Mud tires, I think it'll be really cool. It'll be done in stages since I've got to rely on my mechanic who doesn't do this type of thing normally. But he's cool, and really invested in this trip so it's all good.

-Adriana

[Atomic Dog!]

Hi all,

Just wanted to share the pictures I've finally processed. The modifications are only partly done, so far I've got the 38 gal fuel tank(w/ new fuel pump & filter), the bull bar & winch, OME springs, shocks, stabilizer & braided steel brake lines installed. I also got the larger tires mounted.

I'm leaving tomorrow morning to get some recovery/navigation training from Scott and Chris and can't wait to test out my new stuff. :jump:

Next week the mods continue with the dual battery system & alternator, roof rack/tent, power inverter, window grills etc. I'll also have the head gasket work done. We have figured out where the water tank mounts, but still need to design the plumbing for it.

I likie the front bumper so much am considering the rear too. :rolleyes:

~Adriana

[Boston Mangler]

Very Nice!! :wings:

Congrats! Love the Color!!!

[Desertdude]

Very nice LC - I know I'm late to this party - but thought you might like to at least have a look at what I built for the back - sorry about the link in my build thread I am re organizing and have not fixed those yet

new link to rear deck/drawer system (http://web.mac.com/desertdude/iWeb/80.series.landcruiser/deck.drawer.system.html)

[pskhaat]

Window grills?

[rgsiii]

Very nice LC - I know I'm late to this party - but thought you might like to at least have a look at what I built for the back - sorry about the link in my build thread I am re organizing and have not fixed those yet

new link to rear deck/drawer system (http://web.mac.com/desertdude/iWeb/80.series.landcruiser/deck.drawer.system.html)

I think that if you wanted to see what all 80's wanted to grow up to be, you might want to look at Desertdude's at this link

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=106713

I am impressed by the set up for an expedition type vehicle. It is truly amazing.

[Atomic Dog!]

:Wow1: Wow, nice drawer system! Giving me ideas. I need to figure out the where to put outlets and how to plumb the water.

I gotta give a shout out to Scott and Chris. They've been so helpful and generous sharing their wealth of knowledge. I had a wonderful time and I really appreciate all they've done to prepare me for the coming adventure. I feel more confident with my driving skills and now I know how to use my winch! Not only that but Scott was nice enough to help me put together a route for the first month of my trip through Baja. Little by little I'm getting there.

~ Adriana

[Atomic Dog!]

Window grills?

Coming up.. I gotta find a guy to do them and figure out how to design them. Scott gave me a great suggestion on a potential design solution for rear passenger windows. I'll post pics when done.

~Adriana

[flyingwil]

Adriana-

Looks like you got many things in the works and it is coming along very nicely!

;)

What system are you planning on using for your dual battery system? I am sure you have seen this thread (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2198) and I was wonder if you were going to use one of them or have another trick up your sleeve?

[Desertdude]

:Wow1: Wow, nice drawer system! Giving me ideas. I need to figure out the where to put outlets and how to plumb the water.

~ Adriana



Thanks ;) PM me if you need anything

[goodtimes]

I don't normally venture into this section of the board (being a jeep guy and all....), but I haven't seen one consideration mentioned. Quality of parts is important. Things like belts, hoses and even wiper blades....go with OEM stuff. The aftermarket is driven by price much moreso than OEM, which is driven by reliability. There are a few exceptions to this (high end shocks, etc), but for the basics...in my experience, no one touches OEM's for quality.

[Atomic Dog!]

Anyone have any suggestions on a rear bumper system with a swing out propane tank and swing out gas can carrier? The Hanna people aren't taking orders, they are back ordered. Same with Man-a-Fre. I don't think Slee's will work cause it just has the one swing out made for a tire. Ideas?

~Adriana

[GeoRoss]

I don't recall if anyone mentioned it, but you will definately need to extend the breather hoses from the front and rear diff's, especially with the 864 rear springs. The rear breather is stretched a bit on 864's unloaded. I run the 850/864 w/ 1.5" spacers in the front. Unloaded it rides like a pickup truck, but loaded it is much better. It is not the smoothest of rides with the normal loads I carry every day. The rear bumper that is on order will make things much better.

On the water end of things, I hate filters. They clog and waste calories :D. I use either chlorine or a saturated iodine solution. One comercial option is Polar Pure. It is a rechargeable, saturated iodine solution. With a bandana, stove and iodine I have drank and purified water from some sketchy places on three continents (my favorite was 5 days from the 'yak pooh pool'). In any event, I would recomend taking this Polar Pure iodine solution (not the tablets) as a backup. There is no taste with the solution unlike the tablets. It does take some forthought though.

Others have added their two cents on spare OEM belts and hoses and a good quantity of rubber fuel hose and 5/8" hose for on road repairs. Make sure your cooling system is in order, ie radiator flushed, new t-stat, fan clutch, etc. Don't forget a good set of metric tools in case you need them on the road. You might want to look over your mechanic's shoulder as he/she does the work just to familarize yourself with the vehicle, unless you already are.

Good luck and have fun.

Ross

[rgsiii]

Anyone have any suggestions on a rear bumper system with a swing out propane tank and swing out gas can carrier? The Hanna people aren't taking orders, they are back ordered. Same with Man-a-Fre. I don't think Slee's will work cause it just has the one swing out made for a tire. Ideas?

~Adriana

Give Luke Porter at 4x4Labs a call. He makes a very nice bumper and in my experience very prompt in his manufacture. It will require some cutting of the frame. It is not too bad of an install. He usually installs them at his shop, I was too far and it was a 2-3 person job and needed some cutting tools. He is located in northern California. He will build what you want as far as configuration. I have enclosed a link to pictures of mine. I wanted one built that would accomodate 3 jerry cans, with tire on left and he did it. My 1994 FZJ-80 on IH8MUD as the ROTW
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=72532

I have one of Luke's bumpers with another on its way. His number is 1 + (530) 477 - 0140.

His hacked and slow to recover web site is http://www.4x4labs.com/

If you are going to get it in time for Sept, you had better call him ASAP. He is building mine about now and I assume he could just add another to the batch. Let him know Richard sent you.

If I was carrying fuel/propane to a foreign country, I'd make sure about whatever laws they have in regards to this. As an example, some European countries do not allow exterior fuel.

[Desertdude]

You could also post a want add on IH8MUD.com - you might be surprised at what you could find or some independent who would build you one.

I would also call Slee and ask him if he has any proto types you could buy and modify...

[Scott Brady]

I gotta give a shout out to Scott and Chris. They've been so helpful and generous sharing their wealth of knowledge. I had a wonderful time and I really appreciate all they've done to prepare me for the coming adventure. I feel more confident with my driving skills and now I know how to use my winch! Not only that but Scott was nice enough to help me put together a route for the first month of my trip through Baja. Little by little I'm getting there.

~ Adriana



It was a great weekend and I am proud of your accomplishments. My favorite part was when I did a short rally demonstration (to show just how fast you can go on dirt if required). The first pass was at about 50% of race speeds.

I asked her what she thought; her reply was priceless:

"50% was fun, I want to see what 100% feels like!"

I think Adriana is ready for some global adventure :clapsmile

[tarbe]

Anyone have any suggestions on a rear bumper system with a swing out propane tank and swing out gas can carrier? The Hanna people aren't taking orders, they are back ordered. Same with Man-a-Fre. I don't think Slee's will work cause it just has the one swing out made for a tire. Ideas?

~Adriana

Slee is working on a dual swing-out bumper. I talked to him in early June and he thought he was a couple months away...so hopefully he'll have something soon.

I know Hanna is back-logged. I put my money down over two months ago. I am expecting my bumper to ship in the next 10 - 14 days (can't wait!).

You might call Christo and ask him where he is at on his dual swing-out model.

[rgsiii]

Slee is working on a dual swing-out bumper. I talked to him in early June and he thought he was a couple months away...so hopefully he'll have something soon.

I know Hanna is back-logged. I put my money down over two months ago. I am expecting my bumper to ship in the next 10 - 14 days (can't wait!).

You might call Christo and ask him where he is at on his dual swing-out model.

While ordering some stuff from Slee today, I asked about the bumper. It sounded like their new rear bumper is still a good ways off.

Also, when I talked with Ben a few months ago it also sounded like the Slee rear bumper was not going to be very amenable to customization. Ken Hanna or Luke Porter will customize stuff and do good work.

BTW Ken is a fireman and this is a sideline for him and it can result in a very long wait. I am surprised you were able to get on in 2 1/2 mos.

[Desertdude]

It was a great weekend and I am proud of your accomplishments. My favorite part was when I did a short rally demonstration (to show just how fast you can go on dirt if required). The first pass was at about 50% of race speeds.

I asked her what she thought; her reply was priceless:

"50% was fun, I want to see what 100% feels like!"

I think Adriana is ready for some global adventure :clapsmile


:clapsmile :clapsmile :clapsmile :clapsmile

[pskhaat]

I don't think Slee's will work cause it just has the one swing out made for a tire.
There's no real reason you couldn't easily make fuel carriers out of the 3 bolts that hold the tire, and you also have an integrated hi-lift jack carrier out of it too.

Are you looking to put a tire back there?

I have a 1st generation Slee rear tire carrier with which I will soon be parting, the lower system is an integrated spindle support system, bolting to the frame, that does not replace the stock bumper. At custom fuel carrier arm or whatever could easily attach to that if you are interested...would be less than buying a rear bumper.

[tarbe]

BTW Ken is a fireman and this is a sideline for him and it can result in a very long wait. I am surprised you were able to get on in 2 1/2 mos.


Ken said it has been a very busy fire season...so less time in the shop than normal.

It will actually work out closer to 3 months total elapsed time. Seems like forever! But good stuff is worth waiting for.

[Atomic Dog!]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm placing the calls and will let you know what solutions I find.

pskhaat, I'll pm you about your carrier that might be a good compromise.

~Adriana

[tarbe]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm placing the calls and will let you know what solutions I find.

pskhaat, I'll pm you about your carrier that might be a good compromise.

~Adriana


Check your PM on Mud.

[Desertdude]

Check your PM on Mud.

I think that is an incredible generous gesture on you part ;)

[tarbe]

I think that is an incredible generous gesture on you part ;)


Well, we couldn't make it work. Ken was out of pocket (probably fighting fires) and she decided to go with the Slee option rather than wait to find out if she could take my bumper without putting my November trip in jeopardy.

Nice to have options...I hope Slee can come through.

[Atomic Dog!]

Thanks again Tim, I appreciate the effort!

I'm confident Christo's solution will work out great. We worked out the weight distribution and it'll be under what he'd be comfortable with. Plus it sounds like his system is way overbuilt anyway.

I dropped by to check on my truck today, the header was off and at the machine shop getting all cleaned out. Turns out the gasket was definitely on it's way out so it was a smart call getting that done now. I think they are also going to replace the water pump.

Any favorite products to replace the PHH? I know to go with a silicone hose, will any one do?

The water tank was installed and will be filled from a spout under the hood so that it's hidden from public view. Which suddenly makes me think it could be very convenient to do a heat exchanger shower system.. hmm.. I hadn't wanted to mess with modifying the engine, but seems like these shower systems are pretty popular.. :rolleyes: Any comments/suggestions?

So here is the current list of mods:
OME 850/864, LTR shocks, steering stabilizer, BFG AT 285/75, ARB bull bar, Warn winch, safari snorkle, dual batteries, water tank, African Outback roof rack, Eezi Awn roof tent, hella lamps, ignition kill switch.. I've probably forgotten something.

I'm getting excited!!:jump:

~Adriana

[rgsiii]

This is a link for a "kit." In my area none of the stuff is readily available. I have the $20 dollar one on both of mine. The delivery time was quick.

http://www.1fzfephh.com/GreenStripe.html

I was on a roll with the 97 and got these hoses too.

http://www.1fzfephh.com/FHHkits.html

I believe that I mentioned the starter contacts in a previous post, be sure to get new ones. This is a common problem in FZJ80's.

[Atomic Dog!]

Thanks for the links to the hoses. Yes, I think you did mention starter contacts but with everything else it may have gotten lost in the shuffle. I'll double check that they are on the list.

~Adriana

[Desertdude]

Contact Kurt at cruiseroutfitters (http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/helton.html) if you are going heat exchanger type - I would add a 12v shurflo pump to this set up for trouble free maximum pumping pressure

[rgsiii]

Hi,

While you are doing all of the stuff and the engine is apart, there are somethings that might be worthwhile to have done.

I assume that you will have the air filter changed. Go with Mr. Toyoda's--you can clean it and is a top notch product. I would stick with factory everything--plugs, oil filter, belts etc and carry some spare oil filters for the trip. You don't want to find out that the Autozone part is defective in an area without a Toyota presence.:yikes:

Stick with Toyota red antifreeze or if you use the other stay with it--do not mix the antifreeze types. Some people think this accelerates the HG problem. I stick to the red.

This maybe overkill, I got some recalibrated fuel injectors from Man-A-Fre. I couldn't tell the difference with my '97 with 60K, but it made an improvement with the '94 that had 130K on it at the time. Since everything iwith the engine is in peices now, it might be the time to do this. The cost is something like $160 with a $400 core fee (refunded when you send your old ones back).

I assume the fuel filter will be changed too. Not having any idea of the fuel quality you might get, it could be a useful additional spare.

If you need Toyota parts there is no better person than CruiserDan. Dan is at American Toyota in Albuquerque and is one of the most knowledgeable people around when it comes to 80's. Say you go on IH8MUD and you get something like a 30% discount and no taxes. 800.432.6668

If you haven't noticed, I like Mr. T's stuff.:bowdown: :)

[Atomic Dog!]

Well the air filter is totally clean so it doesn't need replacement, though I'll probably take an extra.

I'll ask my mechanic about the fuel injectors should be replaced. What is the advantage of the Man-a-Fre ones?

We've installed an in-line fuel filter to pre-filter before reaching the real one. It's a big model, that according to Rocky, "will hold a lot of crap". It's accessible for me to change it out when I need to and I think I counted three or four spares so I think I'm set on that.

I saw the new fan clutch today too and it has larger blades than the factory so I'm told will be better. The head just got back from the machine shop this afternoon, it's so shiney!

I've heard a lot about Cruiser Dan sounds like a great guy to know. Luckily, I don't buy parts retail so I think I'll keep going through Rocky, he can get everything I need and show me how it fits!

~Adriana

[Atomic Dog!]

Contact Kurt at cruiseroutfitters (http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/helton.html) if you are going heat exchanger type - I would add a 12v shurflo pump to this set up for trouble free maximum pumping pressure

I'm going to install the shurflo pump for sure. But I'm going to wait a bit on designing the whole water system. I need to take some time to design my cargo system first and then see what I'll be able to do.

~Adriana

[rgsiii]

I'll ask my mechanic about the fuel injectors should be replaced. What is the advantage of the Man-a-Fre ones?



The new Toyota ones are about $160/injector IIRC. The Man-A-Fre ones are recalibrated/remanufactured and the cost is after everything is said and done about $25/injector. One time that I won't go with new Toyota.:D :D

I forget who does the injectors for MAF, but their propaganda says something like more uniform than originally from the factory and other stuff. It did make a difference in the older vehicle.

[blupaddler]

I believe the Toyota air cleaners are washable. Also a spare is a great idea. After three weeks in Baja mine was REALLY dirty!

[Desertdude]

Well the air filter is totally clean so it doesn't need replacement, though I'll probably take an extra.


if you have the OEM paper filter - you are in luck most folks believe it to be superior and it can be washed with water - the dried and re installed ;)

[rgsiii]

We've installed an in-line fuel filter to pre-filter before reaching the real one. It's a big model, that according to Rocky, "will hold a lot of crap". It's accessible for me to change it out when I need to and I think I counted three or four spares so I think I'm set on that.

If you have a pre-filter in an easily accessible filter, that may be a plus. The standard filter is not in a good spot for easy removal.

[MaddBaggins]

I haven't read this entire thread yet, so if this is already mentioned please forgive me.

Brakes-don't just top off the fluid, slap on new pads and walk away.
Besides tires, these are going to be one of your most important items. For not alot of $$ you can rebuild all 4 calipers, replace rotors, pads and rubber lines, and completely bleed out the old fluid and get fresh stuff in there.
I've recently done all of this to mine and I feel much better knowing my whole brake system is tip-top right now. The caliper rebuild kits from Cdan are cheap, the rotors cost a little more but not to bad, the rubber lines arent to much and changing out all the fluid on a regular basis is always a good idea.

Now I'm gonna go back and finish reading this thread:D

[rgsiii]

My experience with 80 brake pads is that they wear quickly and that on a 20,000 mile trip you may be at the end of the brake pad life.

Some people use 100 series pads with modifications. The experience with this modification ranges from "it stops much quicker" to "it it doesn't stop any quicker but it sure last longer." I believe that the squeelers have to be removed. I have not done this modification.

I have gotten drilled and slotted rotors and some of the super duper aftermarket pads. I don't know if they are any better than the factory. There are supposed advantages of less heating of the brakes/less warping of rotors/less glazing of pads.

The caliper rebuild mention is a quick thing for a mechanic and not expensive.

[tarbe]

I have 20,000 miles on my 100 series pads (half of those miles are nasty Houston commute) and the pads are only slightly worn.

If my driving cycle stays the same, I believe I will get 50,000 miles from them.

YMMV

[silverscout]

Any word yet on the window grills?

[Atomic Dog!]

Hey there,

Just wanted to send an update and include the newest pictures of my truck. I just got it back about 10 days ago and headed up to Yosemite immediately to break it in! Loved my roof top tent, except that I didn't think it would be that cold and didn't take a sleeping bag, brrrr...

Most everything is done. The inverter I have draws a small amount of power constantly but I don't think that'll be a problem. Since the fridge will be running constantly anyway I'll probably leave it alone. We did a test running an old school tv that draws lots of power off of it for about 8 hours and didn't drain the battery so I think it'll be ok. I've got electrical outlets in the tent, in the back, both 12v and 110. In the front ashtray we are going to stick another 12v for my navigator.

I've got a water tank, pump, purifier all installed. The faucet/hose isn't connected yet since I've still got to build my platform and storage area to figure where it will come out of.

The window grills were custom fabricated from metal shelving. We also added some lights up top for camping. Switches on the center console control all the lights inside and out. I also had a kill switch installed that looks totally stock, you'd never guess what it's for.

The heater hoses were replaced and then the heater valve broke so that got replaced too. The head gasket and valve work were all done too. Timing chain was replaced and the fan clutch. Lets see what else, gosh I can't remember it all.

Additionally, I'm postponing my departure date until January. I have the opportunity to volunteer on an archelological dig in Guatemala in May-June so I've decided to wait to leave so that I can be there at that time. Otherwise the timing wouldn't have worked very well. And that gives me more time to put the final touches on the truck and test things throroughly before leaving.

~Adriana

[MaddBaggins]

Looking good! How exciting! :bowdown:

[Atomic Dog!]

Thanks I'm really excited, especially about working on the dig in May. My interrest in archeology was a major motivating factor in my decision to do this trip so it's really cool that I'll be able to participate. :jumping:

Plus, I like the idea of being able to test my setup and fine toon things a bit before I leave. I just got notified that Slee has shipped my rear bumper so I'll post a pic of that too when it is installed.

~Adriana

[BajaTaco]

Adriana, it's looking really good! Congrats on the dig project. That is fantastic. Can you tell us more about what you will be working on? Or is it secret for now?

Did you ever decide on a jack?

Did you get the CD I sent?

Too many questions? :p

[Atomic Dog!]

Plus, I like the idea of being able to test my setup and fine toon things a bit before I leave.

~Adriana

Man, was that the understatement of the year for me. Since I last posted I've had the heater valve break, a crank shaft seal leak and the latest and greatest heater core fail. All of this AFTER I paid for the head gasket/valve job and the installation of my electrical system accessories, (additional 12v outlets, inverter w/multiple 110v outlets, accessory switches, kill switch etc.) much of which had to be removed with the rest of the entire dash!!:eek:

My mechanic keeps saying it's better that these things are failing now before my trip, but I've decided that's not so. The repairs have caused my budget to shrink and I've not had an opportunity to find work like I'd planned because I've been without a car for so long. So I've decided to leave as soon as possible. I figure it'll be cheaper for me to fix my truck in Mexico than here and at least I'll have an adventure.

So I'm trying to get organized to leave in the next couple of weeks. It's hard to get prepped without having my truck available to start packing it but I've gathered most of my stuff together and will be organizing my documents for the border crossings and stuff.

I've also been working on a website so that people can track my progress. If you are interested here is the address: http://web.mac.com/atomicdogtraining/iWeb/AtomicDogAdventures/Welcome.html (http://web.mac.com/atomicdogtraining/iWeb/AtomicDogAdventures/Welcome.html) If you have any problems with the site please let me know. I've got time to fix it now, whereas I won't when I'm on the road.

~Adriana

[rgsiii]

Bad luck in getting all of the breakages. :(

I think that it is best for things to happen now. If my recollections are correct, Mexico has only recently had a Toyota presence and it might be hard to get parts.

I really like the web site. It seems to be functioning perfectly and its design is very much along my tastes.

In all honesty, you will have a lot of us enviously checking on your daily progress!:jumping: :smiley_drive:

Good luck and have a safe trip!

[bigreen505]

Best luck on the trip! I hope it is way better than the run up has been.

[Scott Brady]

All the best Adriana. You know we are rooting for you!

[cruiser guy]

If my recollections are correct, Mexico has only recently had a Toyota presence and it might be hard to get parts.

This is a REAL concern if you need parts. You may be advised to continue to Guatemala is it's your intention to find cheap labour to fix your truck. The FZJ80 was NOT officially imported to Mexico and is NOT common there. You'll find many more FZJ80's in Central America.

Personally though, I would not trust most third world mechanics. I KNOW that many backyard mechanics in the states and Canada are MUCH better equipped than those in the third world (I have a better range of tools in my toolbox than the shop that did the frame swap on my truck in Tegucigalpa Honduras last year!) and that DOES affect the job they do! If you're mechanically minded and watch over and help as they are working you may be OK. That is what I did last year and my truck is fine.

[Atomic Dog!]

I'm not too worried about Mexico. If I have a problem and can't find anyone local to fix it, the guy who did most of the work on my truck is there and i think if I were in a jam he'd help me out. He knows Toyotas, has one himself and used to be a mechanic at a dealership. Plus I have all kinds of family in Mexico, so there'll be a support system if things go badly.

Still waiting for my truck.. :( After I get it back i still have to fix the exhaust leak, I think it needs a new muffler, and get the windows tinted. God, it's never ending.

~Adriana

[LUISJG]

Thanks I'm really excited, especially about working on the dig in May. My interrest in archeology was a major motivating factor in my decision to do this trip so it's really cool that I'll be able to participate. :jumping:


~Adriana


search for mamuth acheology sites in mexico,, they might be in your way

[LUISJG]

Adriana, i was reading on your site about Inanna having an ignition kill switch.,

is this for theft issues or for safety issues,, im kind of confuesed, a kill switch is used sometimes to kill the engine in case of emergencies or what not,
but keep in mind that your steering maybe wont work either,, so jsut checking what is it for? on your case

[Atomic Dog!]

Luis, The ignition kill switch is for theft.

Five days to my departure date. Its a self imposed deadline so I may or may not leave then but things are looking good I think. I've begun packing the truck and am starting to worry about space, of course.

I've reviewed this entire thread and am happy to say I've cheked off pretty much everything that many of you have suggested. My cooling system, heating system, head gasket/valve job, brakes etc. are all done. I sure hope the big breakages are done. The engine sounds and feels really good. I just can't think of what else could go wrong, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

I'm still gathering some spare parts and still have so much to do. I'm planning day and night but I think all is going well.

~Adriana

[rgsiii]

I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about her trip's progress?