A little love for 2002-2006 Montero

[haven]

While Land Cruiser, Jeep and Land Rover are getting all the attention, Mitsubishi Monteros have been overlooked and under-appreciated. The 2002-2006 Montero is a very capable vehicle on and off road. And prices are getting cheap for this great dual-purpose SUV.

Here's an example:

2002 Mitsubishi Montero Limited $9000
3.5L V6, 5 speed automatic, full time AWD
35,000 miles St George, UT
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=251616338

The Montero Limited was completely redesigned for 2002. Mitsubishi followed the example of the Grand Cherokee and Range Rover, and designed an SUV with unit body. Front and rear suspensions are carried on sub-frames. They added independent coil springs front and rear, 5 speed automatic trans, two speed transfer case, limited slip rear diff with manual locking, and P265/70R16 tires on alloy wheels. The Montero has more than 9 inches of ground clearance, and can tow up to 5000 lbs. EPA rating for the 3.5L V6 is 14 city, 19 highway.

The Limited received lots of luxury touches: heated power driver's seat, leather seating, big sunroof, climate control, heated mirrors, fog lights premium sound system, 3rd row of seats that folds into the floor, and so on. These aren't important to its success as an ExPo vehicle, but they are appreciated in a daily driver.

The price in 2002 was $36,000, a bit of a bargain compared to the import SUVs of the era. Being able to buy a low mileage example 6 years later for less than $10,000 seems like a bargain.

The unit body and independent suspension are anathema to the rockhopping community, who look down their noses at vehicles that don't have a solid front axle. It's true that the 2002-06 Montero will never be a star on the Rubicon Trail.

I think the primary reason people shopping for an ExPo vehicle are overlooking the Montero is that the 2002-2006 model has swoopy styling. Mitsubishi was trying to appeal to a wider audience, and in doing so, made a vehicle that doesn't look like a utility truck.

But don't underestimate the Montero. The Montero is a great choice for weekend trips on unimproved roads. If you want more off-road capability, there are bumper, winch and suspension kits from ARB for this model. It will easily tow an off-road camping trailer.

The Montero is a comfortable daily driver, capable of dealing with rain and snow without drama. It's the epitome of a dual purpose vehicle.

Chip Haven

[net4n6]

I am second to Chip's post above.

I worked for Mitsubishi HQ for 5 yrs and drove 6 different Monteros (company car) throughout my 5 yrs there.

Montero was an excellent SUV. It was a best value for your money SUV out there. I was sad that Mitsubishi decided to discontinue to have Montero in the US.

[tdesanto]

The redesigned package, AKA, "Generation III" model, was actually released in parts of the world in 2000 and in 2001 in the US.

Slight modifications in 2003 with the addition of traction control.

Too bad they never brought the OEM air-locking rear differential to the US. :smilies27

These are tough trucks that are overbuilt in many areas. Lots of cargo capacity and comfort too. True, these will never be rock-crawling rigs, but there's so much else going for them.

As for towing off road: how 'bout to over 13,000 ft?
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[kcowyo]

I was always partial to the '95 Montero SR, with the 3rd row and locking diff, but Tony's '01 has made me a believer in the newer models. Just look at the Montero's success rate at Paris-Dakar. These are amazing machines. Underrated indeed.

A great vehicle under the radar from most buyers in NA.
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[Gurkha]

Wonder why they removed the chassis. The older IDI engine Panjero with chassis is a highly competent and reliable off roader.

[RocKrawler]

Personal experience: had a Diamante with under 100K miles that dripped oil everywhere. I know a few people with Montero's, none are leak free. same for the Eclipse & GT owners I've talked to. I had a FJ62 with 300K on it and it was drip free, and a buddy has an F350 with a powerstroke that has 892,000 miles on the original motor & no leaks. As soon as DSM can build a sealed motor I'll consider them again, until then I like a clean driveway.

[tdesanto]

I was always partial to the '95 Montero SR, with the 3rd row and locking diff, but Tony's '01 has made me a believer in the newer models. Just look at the Montero's success rate at Paris-Dakar. These are amazing machines. Underrated indeed.

A great vehicle under the radar from most buyers in NA.
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I'm still partial to the 2nd gen model as well. I still miss my '94.


Personal experience: had a Diamante with under 100K miles that dripped oil everywhere. I know a few people with Montero's, none are leak free. same for the Eclipse & GT owners I've talked to.

My '94 had some oil leaking from the rear side of the valve cover gaskets. Replaced those and had no trouble otherwise for 135K miles.

My '01 has 73K on it and hasn't leaked a bit.

[cydonia-jacc]

I have always loved the Montero. But, didn't some publication award the last gen "most expensive production vehicle to insure?" I always figured that publicity killed the resale.

[Martinjmpr]

I agree the Monty is a great "sleeper." My 1st gen (1990) was one of the best used vehicles I ever purchased. Bought it from a dealer in May of 1992 with about 18,000 miles on it, sold it in 1999 with about 147,000 miles.

No major problems, although I did have the dreaded valve guide issue that plagued the 1st gen 3.0l V-6's. Cost about $1500 to fix (and the thing about the valve guide problem was that while it did rob you of a few HP and burned oil, it was not the kind of problem that would leave you stranded by the side of the road.)

Mine was pretty simple and rugged: Manual trans, no AC and no power windows, which is how I wanted it. It's the only vehicle I've ever had on all four "coasts" (East Coast at Cape Hatteras, NC, West Coast at San Francisco, Great Lakes at Chicago, and Gulf Coast at Fort Walton Beach, FL.)

Why doesn't the Monty get more respect here in the US? Well, a couple of reasons. First of all, it's a tiny player in the market. Mitsubishi sells Pajeros in every part of the world and the US is just a tiny drop in the bucket for them. That's why they don't spend much time or money advertising the Monty.

Also, whether we like to admit it or not, fashion and fad play a big role in determining how people spend their discretionary income. People who will never get their tires dirty will spend big $$ on an FJ60 or 80 because of its "superior off road ability" - never mind that they won't use it. They'll buy it because they assume the FJ is "better." Since more demand = higher price, and higher price creates the illusion of "quality", it becomes a vicious circle.

I sometimes wonder if part of the problem is the name issue. The fact that the vehicle that is so famous worldwide (Pajero) is sold under a different name in North America means that much of the favorable press that the Montero gains worldwide never hits the US. I still don't understand why Mitsubishi refuses to use the "Pajero" name in the US (yes, I know, in Spanish it's a nasty slang term, but it could still be sold in the US under it's traditional name and most of us wouldn't care.)

I'll say this: In 23 years of military service, I've been to some pretty awful parts of the world and there were Pajeros in every one of them. They are right up there with the 80 series Toyota and the Nissan Patrol in terms of their "tough car" reputation.

In the meantime, though, the Montero's small "footprint" in the auto market is a boon to those who own them (except for the sucky aftermarket, which is a pity. But the internet helps a lot with that.) People who will shell out $5k for a rust bucket FJ60 with a blown engine will pass right by a mid-90's Monty for $2500. I've often thought that if I could pick up a mid 90's (2nd gen) Monty for under $2k it would make a great daily driver + a good rig to "build up" into a trail runner.

Photos of my 1st gen below: First one is climbing a steep ledge at Hole-in-the-Rock trail in Utah in 1999, second one (one of my favorite pictures ever!) is my campsite in the Black Rock Desert in Nevada in May of 1998.


http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z256/ZappBranigan/Misc%20pictures/RALLY11.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z256/ZappBranigan/Misc%20pictures/blacroc6.jpg

[Martinjmpr]

Also, I wanted to share this: Back in 1992 I bought my Monty in Denver and drove it to my next duty station at Fort Bragg, NC. At that time Montys were not common anywhere, but they were apparently more common in the Western part of the US than they were in the East.

So I got to North Carolina, and on at least 3 separate occasions, people came up to me at parking lots and said "What is that thing? Is it a Land Rover?"

I even had one guy chase me down on the street to ask me what it was. He had never seen a 4 door Montero before (remember that the 2 door version had been sold in the US since 1983 and was also sold as the Dodge Raider.)

[tdesanto]

I have always loved the Montero. But, didn't some publication award the last gen "most expensive production vehicle to insure?" I always figured that publicity killed the resale.

I've never heard that, and I've never experienced that.

I currently insure a 2005 Volvo S80, a 2003 Honda S2000, and my '01 Monty. All have the same coverage through State Farm and I pay less than $100/mo for each vehicle. The Monty is about the same as the other two.

[Martinjmpr]

I've never heard that, and I've never experienced that.

I currently insure a 2005 Volvo S80, a 2003 Honda S2000, and my '01 Monty. All have the same coverage through State Farm and I pay less than $100/mo for each vehicle. The Monty is about the same as the other two.

Me neither.

One of the problems with the Monty is that it's frequently mistaken for an Isuzu Trooper (I even had one person insist to me that the Trooper and the Monty were the same vehicle with different badges.)

I think the Trooper may have been more expensive to insure after CR and 60 minutes (or whoever it was) did a hit piece on it saying it had a high rollover risk (same thing CR did with the Jeep CJ-5 and the Suzuki Samurai.) But I never heard anything about that regarding the Monty.

[haven]

A little googling turned this up

"The 2002 Montero Sport isn't costly to insure because it's expensive to buy. It's because it has the highest number of claims for injury, collision, and theft. Its rollover rating is a dismal two stars out of five from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meaning there is a 30 to 40 percent chance of rolling over in a one-car accident."

http://www.insure.com/articles/carinsurance/2002-expensive-cars.html

Remember that in 2002-2006, the Montero Sport is not the same vehicle as the Montero. The Sport is a body on frame truck similar to the 1990s Monteros. The 2002-2006 Montero XLS and Montero Limited are unit body models with four wheel independent suspension.

However, Consumer Reports tested a 2002 Montero Limited and found that, even with the independent suspension, the vehicle had a greater tendency than other SUVs to tip onto two wheels during emergency accident avoidance maneuvers. So Consumer Reports gave the Montero Limited its rarely-used not acceptable" rating. Another SUV rated "not acceptable" by the magazine is the mid-1990s Isuzu Trooper.

Mitsubishi fired back that the tests were unrealistic and had no connection to real-world driving. Neither the magazine nor Mitsubishi could find a single example of a rollover caused by conditions similar to the test.

Mitsubishi vehicles do seem to have high theft rates. Perhaps the bad guys know easy ways to defeat the locks.

Chip Haven

[RogerH]

I became a Montero lover back in the mid 90's. I had always wanted a Land Rover but couldn't afford one as I was a student at the time. I came across an '89 2 door 5 speed with little miles on it and the owner was an engineering student from Japan that had to dump it as he was moving back to Japan. I paid only $3900 for it when the blue book was around $7000. I moved to Phoenix, Az in 2000 and drove it for 2 years without AC! The time came to go for that Land Rover I had always dreamed of and found a nice '98 Disco with 24k miles at the LR dealership. It had full warrantee! That same year my Dad bought a new 2002 Discovery. We were on the phone often talking about our new purchases! Sad to say it was a short lived romance with Land Rover. We both got rid of our LR after one year. So many issues to even list...vapor lock, electricals, oil leaks, gas mileage 10-12mpg?? His was brand new and the ACE, and other bells and whistles kept going out. Needless to say we both still like Land Rover and know that many owners have few problems.
This took me back to Mitsubishi. I love Toyotas, etc..but really like the uniqueness of having something a little different. I currently have a 2000 Montero (gen II.5--not current body style) with snorkle, ARB suspension, 32" BFG's (looking at getting 16" wheels and a taller tire), and various attachments. It will be turning 100,000 miles before years end and I have never had a leak, moan, squeek or hiccup with this truck! I get 24 mpg (short commute), have obtained a best of 26mpg on highway and also a worst 18mpg. I take out the back seats and it becomes a truck or camper. When this one dies I hope there will still be one around to replace it as I plan on driving this for many years! The local dealership in town (I am back in Colorado)say that there are 3 other Montero's in town with over 300,000 miles on them so I have a ways to go.
Thanks for letting me put in my 0.02:safari-rig:
Roger

[dapolrbear]

From the snow to the desert, with 85K miles of trouble free service, not even a drop of oil in the driveway. I have come close to replacing it many times with an LR3 or a 4wd Honda Pilot(new ones), I tried to come up with a reason to replace it but just could not come up with a good logical reason.

http://dapolrbear.smugmug.com/photos/243449947_Zy28F-L.jpg

http://dapolrbear.smugmug.com/photos/338034278_8w93W-L.jpg

http://dapolrbear.smugmug.com/photos/46470011_BtbTJ-L.jpg

[preacherman]

My insurance was cheap on mine. In fact my insurance went up when I sold it last month even though I did not buy anything else...something about a multi car discount.

I have always maintained they are the most under rated expo truck. Best bang for the buck IMHO.

[tdesanto]

I became a Montero lover back in the mid 90's. I had always wanted a Land Rover but couldn't afford one as I was a student at the time. I came across an '89 2 door 5 speed with little miles on it and the owner was an engineering student from Japan that had to dump it as he was moving back to Japan. I paid only $3900 for it when the blue book was around $7000. I moved to Phoenix, Az in 2000 and drove it for 2 years without AC! The time came to go for that Land Rover I had always dreamed of and found a nice '98 Disco with 24k miles at the LR dealership. It had full warrantee! That same year my Dad bought a new 2002 Discovery. We were on the phone often talking about our new purchases! Sad to say it was a short lived romance with Land Rover. We both got rid of our LR after one year. So many issues to even list...vapor lock, electricals, oil leaks, gas mileage 10-12mpg?? His was brand new and the ACE, and other bells and whistles kept going out. Needless to say we both still like Land Rover and know that many owners have few problems.
This took me back to Mitsubishi. I love Toyotas, etc..but really like the uniqueness of having something a little different. I currently have a 2000 Montero (gen II.5--not current body style) with snorkle, ARB suspension, 32" BFG's (looking at getting 16" wheels and a taller tire), and various attachments. It will be turning 100,000 miles before years end and I have never had a leak, moan, squeek or hiccup with this truck! I get 24 mpg (short commute), have obtained a best of 26mpg on highway and also a worst 18mpg. I take out the back seats and it becomes a truck or camper. When this one dies I hope there will still be one around to replace it as I plan on driving this for many years! The local dealership in town (I am back in Colorado)say that there are 3 other Montero's in town with over 300,000 miles on them so I have a ways to go.
Thanks for letting me put in my 0.02:safari-rig:
Roger

Roger,

You have to post some pictures and start your own truck modification thread. I can't wait to see this one. This is probably on of the best year models of any Montero. I really miss my '94, but the later gen II trucks really had everything sorted out.

Did Mitsu offer the rear air locker for the 2000 in the US?

[RogerH]

Hello, and yes I do believe they did offer a rear locker. Mine does not come with one. I think in 1999 and 2000 you could get the Endevour package which included rear locker, leather seats and a big sunroof, also adjustable shocks. Once I figure out how to post pics I will try to add them!

By the way I follow your threads closely as I like what you have done with yours.:bowdown:

Roger

[tdesanto]

Hello, and yes I do believe they did offer a rear locker. Mine does not come with one. I think in 1999 and 2000 you could get the Endevour package which included rear locker, leather seats and a big sunroof, also adjustable shocks. Once I figure out how to post pics I will try to add them!

By the way I follow your threads closely as I like what you have done with yours.:bowdown:

Roger

Thank you for the compliment. I'm actually delinquent in getting the latest modifications added to my thread. :snorkel: :box:

Try this link...it explains photo uploading better than I can.

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2376 This is for hosting you pictures elsewhere.

If you want to upload to ExPo and then post, just use the paperclip button and follow the files sizes shown in the window. I've attached a screenshot.

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[RogerH]

I will attempt to post a pic. If it doesn't work I will have to get my wife to help as she is the picture guru! This pic is before my mods but I always liked it.

[RogerH]

Hey I got my pic in the avatar! Thats a start! Grab a magnifying glass!

[tdesanto]

Hey I got my pic in the avatar! Thats a start! Grab a magnifying glass!

You can do it Roger...I have faith in you. :REExeSquatsHL1:

[mauricio_28]

I drove a second-generation TDI Montero all over East Timor. It was light and nimble, with everything that you need, nothing that you don't. The third-generation, however, by moving into a different niche left the 2-gen's niche empty while bumping into Toyota's LandCruiser and Nissan's Patrol. I'll take a second-gen, over the 3rd.

[RogerH]

http://picasaweb.google.com/heinsr/DropBox?authkey=hI_AQi1k5i0#5266773206827161378

Before snorkle,suspension, etc...

[agerb]

I have a 2003 Gen III Montero NP, truly the most dynamic vehicle out there. I had 2003 and sold it, went through a few different rigs (80 series, 2002 trooper, Syncro Vanagon) and have come back full circle to another low mile 2003. 2003 was a great year as it had all the upgrades over the 2001-2002 NM, but could still be had in the XLS trim. 2004 and up were only available in the fully loaded limited trim. Yes, it may not be a rubicon crawler, but it will fly through washboards and washouts better than anything out there. The reality is most adventures include alot of highway, gravel road, and washboards- here it has no rival in my opinion. The amount of cargo space for its size is only eclipsed by a vanagon. 190" overall length and 90 plus cubic feet of cargo- not including the huge in floor trunk you get after you remove the 3rd row. I am actually thinking about finding a low mile 06 and mothballing it until my 03 wears out. I am going to stop cheerleading for the Montero- dont want the demand to rise.

[isaac]

The updated 2nd gen Pajero is ALL over India these days. It's sort of the Indian Hummer, i.e. everyone who drives one is perceived to be a nouveau riche dickhead by everyone who doesn't drive one. I like it a lot.

http://img.carwale.com/cars/1331b.jpg

I would happily buy one of these, as-is, for whatever Mitsu USA is charging for the newer 3rd gen versions. (The TDI version of which I have driven in the middle east, and enjoy a lot also.) But I cannot in clear conscience buy one here in India (I live in Hyderabad right now) as they cost about $50,000 USD and for this I could buy 10 nice Mahindra Willys (http://www.mahindra.com/OurBusinesses/automotive_domestic_products_UV_mahindramajor.htm) +10 Royal Enfield Bullets (http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/models/military.html). Maybe twice that number of vehicles, even, if I hire a local guy to do the buying and don't pay the melanin-derived premium price.

In general I am just flabbergasted how Mitsu USA has managed to NOT succeed, given their wonderful product line, and global scope.

Whoever has been managing that company the last 10-15 years has some explaining to do.

- Isaac