Look at these idiots.

[Scott Brady]

We need to find out who sponsored these knuckleheads and let them know what we think.

Their only saving grace could be if this was private land:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcOZJo2mlJs&mode=related&search=Jeeps%20Ultrapotenciados

Here is at least one of the trucks: http://www.teamkcm.net/

need to ask them if it was private land...

[articulate]

I've never heard Scott be so undiplomatic before! So I had to watch that video. It turns out you were being very diplomatic. Those rigs were so large (and toting the American flag, of course) that they actually broke boulders - in addition to thrashing the desert plant life.

[Dave]

The last time I was in Moab for EJS, they were actually showing that segment on the the 24 hour 4x4 television channel.

[Ursidae69]

At the end of the video, the little boy asks about the oil dripping from the engine. It is off screen, but I'd bet it's right into the soil based on the rest of the video.

Is it just me or is "this" type of OHV personality growing in number? These sort of folks are why I've slowly removed my association with many truck forums/clubs/BBS.

[DaktariEd]

That's what most people think about us when they hear we drive 4x4's...

And having an american flag on the rig makes it all ok...it's patriotic...

[BajaTaco]

For some reason I get the feeling it might be in Mexico.

[Scott Brady]

Could be...

I know that in Morocco, the Outback Challenge got permission to drive off the road for certain sections of the event. Still felt wierd though...

[Boston Mangler]

Morons

When you go to that site to view the vid, check out the readers responses! :Wow1:

[BajaTaco]

Ahh, here we go:

http://www.sportsflicks.com/DVDinfo/Rock_Crawling/hammerdown.htm

Sounds like Desert Mountain, UT.

[Boston Mangler]

Funny (yet sad) is that the "obstacles" they are THRASHING over look like they could be conquered fairly easy in a slightly modified 80 or Taco with a little bit of driving skill. Sad really! I just looked up "Slack Jawed Yocal Redneck" on www.dictionary.com and all of those drivers were listed!

[flywgn]

I've seen Kreg Christensen's name connected with the monster truck, Dragonslayer (also on the side of the semi in the video) but I thought that he was more into the stadium car-crunching stuff.

I hate to think that this video was on public land, but then I hate to see OHV using streambeds as 'tests' to see if their new lockers are really as good as they are advertised to be...or driving off the track to put a wheel up on a boulder just "because it can be done". Grumble, grumble, gru.....

Allen

[Willman]

:iagree:

This is a great example of why the tree huggers want to shut us down!!!

This is EP Gang vs. the event!
:ar15: + :truck: = :campfire:

:costumed-smiley-007

[flywgn]

Before we all (including me) go and get in a lather about this video I made a call and my 'source' tells me that it was more than likely filmed in the Black Mtn OHV area near Jericho, UT. Desert Mtn is west of there and technically not in the OHV section, but the 'source' thinks the DMtn designation was used for the vid 'cause it has a better ring than the OHV.

But, nothing is certain. I hope it was in the OHV area, but that still doesn't lessen the destructive nature of this 'trial'. Yuck!

There's some really great rock art in the Desert Mtn area. Neat stuff.

Allen

[Ursidae69]

Yes, I think it is. Most of the off-road community gets off on that kind of stuff or at least tolerates while paying lip service to the need for proper responsible off-pavement driving.

That is a compelling point and likely not well received, though I tend to agree with you.

[gjackson]

Wow, what an expedition rig I could build with the coin in those useless trucks!! :confused:

cheers

[Boston Mangler]

Wow, what an expedition rig I could build with the coin in those useless trucks!! :confused:


Yeah!

[calamaridog]

Frankly I have no idea where that was filmed, but if it was on public land then I'm disgusted AND angry. Even if that was an "open" OHV area, that was still totally unacceptable.

I'd really like to know exactly where that was filmed.

[bigreen505]

To be honest, I don't really care whether it was public or private land. We need to view this in the context of what it is, a public relations video. And as such, we need to view it as the general public might. What makes it a PR video is that it is being disseminated through communications channels to reach a large number of people -- the Internet. [Edit -- this is written from the POV of a casual observer, I'm not saying I agree with this]

Is it on public land? Yes, because it does not clearly show/explain otherwise.

Was irrepairable damage done to the environment? Of course, we can see that.

Are these people representative of four wheelers (i.e. people with trucks) in general? Yes, that is why you see people just like them on the covers of off-road interest magazines, television shows, etc. It is further example that people who drive off road are a menace to our planet and our society and vehicles like that should be banned.

Honestly guys if I had a client with an axe to grind against the four wheel community I would hire a team to put together a video like this because everyone but teenage boys (regardless of age) will be put off and outraged by what they see and march down to their local Greenpeace/PIRG/Sierra office and sign a petition to close trails to motorized vehicles. Lots of trails have already been closed to motorized vehicles and now the same people are coming back trying to show how much damage those crazy renegade mountain bikers are doing -- and they are WINNING!

There was a big thread recently on one of the Colorado boards (I think it was CO4x4.org) about Greenpeace showing up in force at the Telluride Bluegrass Festival, and I think the Aspen Jass Festival too, preaching to a relatively confined audience about how off road travel of any kind is destroying the environment and the sacred Colorado mountains. Guys, they were collecting signatures left and right.

Bottom line, if a picture is worth a thousand word, a video like this is priceless.

[Boston Mangler]

To be honest, I don't really care whether it was public or private land. We need to view this in the context of what it is, a public relations video. And as such, we need to view it as the general public might. What makes it a PR video is that it is being disseminated through communications channels to reach a large number of people -- the Internet. .

That just about hits the nail square on the head! ;)

[datrupr]

I am speechless at what I saw, and I couldn't even watch the whole thing. I think everyone else summed up my thoughts on this matter already.

[cruiseroutfit]

That is the Desert Mountain area (not 100% on the exact location). Some of the West Desert area (the area basically from SLC West into Nevada) IS open to unlimited cross-country travel, sadly enforcing "ethics" in these areas is nearly impossible.

As for the video, that 5+ years old. It was featured in a movie called Hammerdown 1, which was one of the first rockcrawling video's and had alot of footage from UROC and Supercrawl. I've been to the area a half-dozen times in the last couple years, I don't think you would be able to see any damage to this day. One because the flora grows back pretty quick in the area, and the other is because that area sees so much use :yikes:

As disturbing as that video may be for some, I personally find this one worse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibpFvT9IZm8

Forest Lake is a major feeding area for deer, elk, moose, bear, etc. Besides the half-dozen signs around the lake, one should still know better :smilies27

You could easily spend hours finding un-ethical video's on the internet. Sad...

[calamaridog]

Kurt,

Thanks for making things more clear, as you often do.

And yes, the FJ video is disturbing.

[cruiseroutfit]

I don't care if it's...........

Private land.....Public land.....no limit on overland, travel land......

Just don't do it!

It can not be explained away!

It's NOT OK..........!

............and!.........It gives us ALL a bad name!.............:gunt:


I don't know if the "explained away" was aimed at me... but I cleary stated that "ethics" are hard to enforce in these situations. Even if a BLM ranger were on hand during that situation (which is likely), its probable they would have done nothing about it assuming it is in a cross-country travel permitted area. I know the "bad name" situation as well as the next. I spent 100+ hours a year working with the BLM/FS, etc on projects throughout the state, many aimed at improving our sports bad image. I would never condone this type of activity on public land (private is private, I don't see your contention there?).

Thankfully this seems to be a pretty isolated issue, as I mentioned I recreate in that area of the desert quite often and have never seen evidence of lasting damage. There are areas even closer to SLC (the population base) that are still open to cross-country travel, I don't advocate destroying flora, etc, but its not illegal and nor enforced. The new mandatory BLM travel plans that are taking place all over the West are a mixed blessing in some respect as they will likely eliminate most (sand dunes being an exception) of these areas...

[Scott Brady]

Thanks for all of the work you do Kurt. It is appreciated.

I think spectacles like the link I posted are "ok" (i.e. acceptable), as long at they take a brief moment to advise the viewer it is on a public, open OHV area and to always tread lightly on state and federal lands.

Unfortunately, these guys are so self-serving that they do not understand the damage these types of videos do. For every 10 things we do right, just one video like that erases them all from public perception.

[crawler#976]

I really hate to disagree with folks on this board, but indeed, there are areas set aside specifically for OHV use.

The BLM has set rules for useage, and as long as they are followed, I personally don't have a problem with this type of activity. Perhaps the most famous, at least to those of us who participate in the sport of rock crawling or desert racing, is Johnson Valley OHV area in California.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/barstow/johnson.html

Having areas like this help to prevent the wholesale "wildcating" of trails - and we all agree that's no good.

Mark

[flyingwil]

I really hate to disagree with folks on this board, but indeed, there are areas set aside specifically for OHV use.

The BLM has set rules for useage, and as long as they are followed, I personally don't have a problem with this type of activity. Perhaps the most famous, at least to those of us who participate in the sport of rock crawling or desert racing, is Johnson Valley OHV area in California.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/barstow/johnson.html

Having areas like this help to prevent the wholesale "wildcating" of trails - and we all agree that's no good.

Mark

Yeah, but Monkey see Monkey do... They way I see it, anyone that is not properly educated will think that this type of activity is ok to do, just because they do not understand the differences of land use. Like Scott said it would be helpful if they had a disclaimer.

[Ursidae69]

I’ve been dwelling on this for a little while now. I’ve already posted my thoughts on the video, basically it’s not an activity I agree with. What I’ve been thinking about is the fact that this video is part of a larger land use issue. These issues are all relative. This video, relative to the OHV crowd, might be controversial and might cause some panties to get in a wad (including mine) over the fact that some soil was disturbed.

However, relative to larger land use issues, like development, this video means nothing. How much desert was disturbed by the yahoo driving the monster truck in the video versus the hundreds of square miles of pristine desert bulldozed for the Anthem development? (AZ residents know this one). Phoenix AZ, Tucson AZ, Sierra Vista AZ, Albuquerque NM, are all cities growing outwardly at alarming rates. Where is the outrage for that? :confused:

Relative to worldwide land use policies, this land development problem in the US means pretty much nothing. The Sonoran Desert in the southwest is the most diverse place in the country when looking at biodiversity. However, compared to forests in the tropics where there might be 10,000 different species on one acre of land, our losses here in the southwest don’t mean much. We are losing places that affect global health and climate daily, where is the outrage for that? :confused:

I guess my point is, the video annoyed me and I personally don’t support that type of activity, but in the grand scheme it doesn’t mean much, we have much bigger problems. Sorry, just the jaded greenie side of me talking here…:wavey:

[BajaTaco]

I guess my point is, the video annoyed me and I personally don’t support that type of activity, but in the grand scheme it doesn’t mean much, we have much bigger problems.

Interesting point Chuck. I'm just typing my first thoughts here... without really contemplating it. In the latter scenario you describe, the entire landscape transforms to serve another purpose on a permanent basis. There will be houses with families living in them, paved streets with traffic on them, sidewalks with people walking on them, maybe some postal routes with mail being delivered... maybe some business providing goods and services... it all changes completely and permanently. In contrast, these guys will come out to this site, do their thing, shoot the video, and then leave. What may have been a previously natural landscape will now be changed (in my opinion, "scarred") as a result, but otherwise, nothing changes. Is there really any consequence of environmental damage, other than the aesthetics? I'm not sure, I don't know. I think maybe the bottom line is that the guys in the video see that landscape as a perfect setting for the use of their trucks, and have no consideration at all of what the aesthetics of the place is after they leave, or for how how long the evidence of their actions remains. If indeed they are on private land or public land where the law allows what they did, it comes down to personal outlook and choices. In the eyes of the law, they may not really be doing anything wrong. On an environmental level, maybe the impact they create is insignificant to the survival of the ecosystem that is there. (I have no idea).

Having said all of that, and to express my own opinion... to me, it's no different than them going out there and dumping a few busted up old appliances, and then shooting them full of holes and leaving their shells all over the ground. Maybe a packrat might even find an old refrigerator dumped on the ground useful, who knows. But it looks like hell and I sure don't appreciate seeing it when I am out traveling in natural places. I think tearing up and/or littering an otherwise natural and beautiful landscape is just poor form.

On the flip-side, I guess I could potentially call myself a hypocrite, because I like off-road and rally racing. But I try to justify those activities by reassuring myself that they are sanctioned events, held on a scheduled basis (not constant use) and for the most part they use established roads (except cases like the Dakar rally where they travel over the open sahara desert) and they sweep the course after the events.

[cruiseroutfit]

Interesting point Chuck. I'm just typing my first thoughts here... without really contemplating it...

GREAT points!

It really comes down to a case by case evaluation of these events. Sadly that takes more manpower than those on "our" side of the fence can reasonably develop. Some would freak if they saw UROC rock-crawling footage that takes place on public land... though it all takes place 100% legit including permits, fees, and BLM in attendance. Watching a couple minutes of rock-crawling makes the monster truck look very minimal in perspective. Once again, you can visit these areas just months later and see really little "evidence" of the events.

[Ruffin' It]

It doesn't take a tree hugger to look at that and think it should be shut down.

I'll bet the guys on the videos ***** and moan about land closures everytime they hear about them.


:iagree:

This is a great example of why the tree huggers want to shut us down!!!

This is EP Gang vs. the event!
:ar15: + :truck: = :campfire:

:costumed-smiley-007

[Kermit]

Now wait a minute, how come I never hear "outrage" and "disgust", when you see some bloke blasting through The Bush in a Landy, "overlanding" in Africa, while on safari?

Infact, I just saw a guy on a television show doing just that, while chasing down some big cats.

How is that any different than some guys in monster trucks!?

[Shovel]

How much desert was disturbed by the yahoo driving the monster truck in the video versus the hundreds of square miles of pristine desert bulldozed for the Anthem development?

I say this sort of thing ALL THE TIME, and it's a major contributor in my decision to not make babies.

but virtually nobody chooses to agree with me that our biggest environmental concern, effectively the only one that matters... is in our pants.

All the tree hugging in the world won't undo the damage done by 2 people in one act, if that act leads a child, who now needs a mountain of plastic toys, who needs you to cut down more wilderness to make a bigger house and then later wants a house of his or her own and cars and now they need to make more babies, repeat

But this fact (I don't even call it an opinion) is highly unpopular, even angers people and it seems most folks choose to pretend it's not a problem. I even heard a Sedona homeowner say the 4x4 trails mess up the view from her house!

If you ask me, environmentalists should be lobbying for subsidized voluntary sterilization, birth control and "wait 'till you're 25 to breed" campaigns before they start on anything else.


Now on the topic of this video... I know it's not much... but should we start making "Responsible Outdoorsmanship" videos and posting GOOD examples on youtube? We may not get a million views since we won't be WOOO HOOO TEARIN SH UP!!! but at least some good PR is positive, right?

[Flounder]

Poor land use is not just left to red necks in monster trucks:

Guys in chi-chi Rovers and Cruisers are just as guilty of driving on muddy trails. Horse back riders are guilty of short cutting switchbacks or riding off trail and around low obsticals in the trail. Dorks on quads ride single track areas not appropriate for 4 wheels. Dirt bike riders claim a steep hill as a fun obstical and proceed to tear the piss out of it. Mountain bikers ride on mud days when they shouldn't or short cut trails. Hikers even do stupid things like tie surveyers tape from every other tree so they can find their way back to the Lincoln Navigator. Some backpackers bury TP and wash dishes in streams.

No matter what your outdoor pursuit, you as a user have ample opportunity to do what is right, educated those who don't know better and clobber the crap out of those who just don't care.

[Funrover]

As disturbing as that video may be for some, I personally find this one worse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibpFvT9IZm8




Did anyone save this... It has been removed!

[grouch]

The monster trucks are absurd but are they really that different from the built truggys at The Hammers? That is the slippery slope with rock crawling because by deffinition they are running off known trails.

[Streakerfreak]

I say this sort of thing ALL THE TIME, and it's a major contributor in my decision to not make babies.

but virtually nobody chooses to agree with me that our biggest environmental concern, effectively the only one that matters... is in our pants.

All the tree hugging in the world won't undo the damage done by 2 people in one act, if that act leads a child, who now needs a mountain of plastic toys, who needs you to cut down more wilderness to make a bigger house and then later wants a house of his or her own and cars and now they need to make more babies, repeat

But this fact (I don't even call it an opinion) is highly unpopular, even angers people and it seems most folks choose to pretend it's not a problem. I even heard a Sedona homeowner say the 4x4 trails mess up the view from her house!

If you ask me, environmentalists should be lobbying for subsidized voluntary sterilization, birth control and "wait 'till you're 25 to breed" campaigns before they start on anything else.


Now on the topic of this video... I know it's not much... but should we start making "Responsible Outdoorsmanship" videos and posting GOOD examples on youtube? We may not get a million views since we won't be WOOO HOOO TEARIN SH UP!!! but at least some good PR is positive, right?


I share your views also. Actually my fiance and I both share your views. She takes birth control. I showed her your rant and she says you are the best. We have been verbally attacked for not wanting kids. Crazy I know. She has lost friends because of it also. Yup we all have to be just like every person out there, 2 kids, white pickets fences, etc. God forbid I decide to not procreate. Yes my family ends with me and not having kids ends my family, but we are getting so over crowded there is no point to adding to the worlds problems. Even driving a v6 4x4 Truck our carbon foot print is very small. If we had even just one kid it would triple over night. Again I say bravo to you:clapsmile for truly using your logic and not what's in your pants. I am not saying kids are bad. All I ask is for people to truly think before they act. Have and love your children. They are a gift to you. Just be responsible, do you really need to have 10 kids. Remember, they are the ones who have to live here after we screw it up.

[Streakerfreak]

OK............!

That's IT!

I will now..............

Not Officially........touch this thread with a ten foot...............



.


What! Oh I am so sorry for just giving my response to another post I agree with.


Anyways, I forgot to even comment on the video. Everyone on here has had a very valid point, from the people commenting on how horrible this is to the people saying hey wait a minute, hikers, bikers, horses, etc are just as bad to the outdoors when done irresponsibly. Again just like what I was talking about before we all just need to be more responsible with everything we do. Try and have a thread like this on TTORA. That would be interesting. That video makes me sick. I hate being grouped in with those kind of guys. It is frustrating.

[Streakerfreak]

Now wait a minute, how come I never hear "outrage" and "disgust", when you see some bloke blasting through The Bush in a Landy, "overlanding" in Africa, while on safari?

Infact, I just saw guy on a a television show doing just that, while chasing down some big cats.

How is that any different than some guys in monster trucks!?


Your 100% right. There is very little difference. But that still does not make this right. I would say the same thing about a video showing a guy blasting through the jungle with no regards for the environment around him.

[Ursidae69]

Your 100% right. There is very little difference. But that still does not make this right. I would say the same thing about a video showing a guy blasting through the jungle with no regards for the environment around him.

I agree, Kermit made a great point. No difference. I like seeing old Conservation and Land Use Threads revived. :)

To further flame Shovel's point, have you seen this website (http://www.vhemt.org/)? In all seriousness, exponential human population growth is a serious world issue.

[DaveInDenver]

To further flame Shovel's point, have you seen vhemt.org?From their FAQs:

When Ice Age humans hunted animals to extinction, at least one of the Neanderdunces among them must have grunted in bewilderment. As the Fertile Crescent became a barren desert, and the Cedars of Lebanon were sacrificed for temples, someone must have thought, "this bodes ill." When Romans fueled their empire by extracting resources from near and far, surely someone remarked, "Humanus non gratis," or words to that effect. Someone had to get the idea that the planet would be better off without this busy horde.
I dunno if they are really a serious group or not, but I don't feel the need to add to the problem. Funny how many true blue environmentalists have kids, some how justifying it to themselves.
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[Shovel]

The difficult thing is when people get passionate or zealous about something, logic usually wanders off pretty quickly.

The fact that resource management and pollution difficulties are a direct and essentially unavoidable result of population suddenly becomes debatable when people suddenly start "feeling" about it.

I make the recommendation that people simply wait until they're 25 or older to begin having children, and only have as many as they can support. I think that's a perfectly reasonable proposition...


BUT, people get impassioned (AKA angry) about it and make it sound like the suggestion is eugenics, choosing who can or can't breed, "won't touch this debate with a 10 foot pole", inevitably some nazi germany reference has to be made... blah blah blah.

Nothing so extreme is prudent, in fact extreme measures are almost never prudent. Everyone who wants to breed should be free to breed. Everyone who can support 12 healthy children, hey rock on, have 12 healthy children (if you choose to).. Like literally every other aspect of existance, the only rule we should have to follow is responsibility. I don't know why that's so controversial?

Why is it controversial to say "If you have a family history of poor health, adopt children" or "Wait until you're *really* financially and emotionally ready to make a whole new human" or "it is possible to live a whole life without doing the same thing as everyone else.. because while they're changing diapers they're NOT doing what you can do" ?

We can't control the destruction of wildlands, pollution, or any other environmental concern until we are grown up enough to put our zealotry aside and talk frankly about real solutions.

All I know is, anyone with kids lecturing me about saving the environment is going to start that conversation at a disadvantage.

[Shovel]

I dunno if they are really a serious group or not, but I don't feel the need to add to the problem. Funny how many true blue environmentalists have kids, some how justifying it to themselves.

This is a difficult one... but I think even here, a responsible and workable solution is at hand.

First things first, I'm going have a moment of arrogance and talk about myself because I happen to be an authority on the subject of me. My parents are(were) both brilliant, healthy, amazing examples of humanity. I've never met a polymath as deep and wide as my father, and few people with the perseverance, determination, and ingenuity of my mother. My sister is a moderately successful model, even today in her 30's (so it wasn't just youth making her photogenic) and apart from being a bit emotional, shares the best intellectual traits of our parents. I'd say we're all uncommonly healthful, none of us have any criminal record whatsoever, and our vices are fairly benign.

All that said, I would have a reasonably good argument for my fitness to breed, right? Sure, I guess. But that doesn't mean I have any sort "responsibility to breed"... I don't even know where that idea comes from.

The world doesn't NEED my DNA, and it would be immensely arrogant of me to think it does. The world's gonna do what it's gonna do and the best thing I can do for humanity is improve quality of life.

We can virtually all agree that damage to the environment detracts from quality of life... and it should be clear to anyone where I'm going with that.

The last part of that argument is one that breeding is a necessary component of a "full life". It's the norm, true.. but "full life"? The very idea defies definition... true some people are able to do literally everything they ever wanted to do AND bring their children along with them. If this is you, then I salute you! Most of my friends in the real world struggle to work and maintain a roof over their head, in order to equip their children with food and fashion.. and virtually give up on their own personal aspirations in favor of the next generation, who will undoubtedly repeat the sad, dutiful cycle. I don't think that qualifies as a "full life" either... but that's just my opinion.

The solution then, is just simply to wait to have kids. Wait till you're 25... wait till you're 30. If you feel you must send your DNA down to the next generation... wait till you have your own life in order and can do more than just fold protein and see what it can do. You've done the future no favors if you can't also raise what you made, and pass down your moral legacy along with your genetic one. Meanwhile 3 generations per 100 years rather than 4+ per 100 will sure cut down on our rate of growth, no?

If anyone finds THAT controversial... maybe they shouldn't breed. :oops: :oops:

[DaveInDenver]

I've never met a polymath as deep and wide as my father
A modern day Uomo universale, eh? No kids (at 36), so I got time to read about da Vinci, who was the pure definition of the 'universal man', if ever there was one... Just had to point out the good vocabulary usage, polymath. Nice. Oh, and just to make the post sorta on topic, yeah, I'm of the same mind as you.

[kcowyo]

To further flame Shovel's point, have you seen this website (http://www.vhemt.org/)?

Ok, I read enough of that site, until I got a headache anyway....

So just who is it that they are attempting to save the world for? Will a healthy planet not once again spawn organisms that may one day develop the abilities to devour their host? Maybe population growth is a real problem, but that website's arguments are just more nihilistic eco-drivel.

I think they're pissing up a rope.

[Kermit]

How many carbon credits does one have to buy, to cancel out having a child?

[DaveInDenver]

How many carbon credits does one have to buy, to cancel out having a child?
The enterprising young family will start their own carbon credit trading company. ;-)

[Kermit]

The enterprising young family will start their own carbon credit trading company. ;-)

Hey, that was quick! Glad you got my joke.

Aren't we supposed to be talking about monster trucks and rocks....?

Gee-Saas....Shovel! You sound like me...We are choosing a sprog free life also. ;)

People look at us like we are from a different planet, when we make such statements. Truthfully, I am not doing it for some political or evironmental reason...when it comes to it, I am selfish, and having children cuts into my lifestyle. For those who have children, more power to you...not a life I want to live.

[kcowyo]

Aren't we supposed to be talking about monster trucks and rocks....?
Thread-swerving is it's own entertainment. But to stay on topic.....

big trucks on rocks > overpopulated earth

[DaveInDenver]

Hey, that was quick! Glad you got my joke.
Dude, I'm looking through you.

[Kermit]

Dude, I'm looking through you.

Like a book, eh?

[Shovel]

Thread-swerving is it's own entertainment.

We might be looking at the horizon too much or reaching for that CD wallet in the back seat... but I think we're still between the lines - after all, a point was made to contrast monster trucks with other forms of earthen plunder.. and it's a valid one.

[toddunderscore]

Before you ask, the answer is no. The world cannot do without them.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u185/toddunderscore/CaliforniaPass2.jpg




This guy, however, feel free to boot off the face of the earth.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u185/toddunderscore/ToughestKeyboard.jpg

[Kermit]

This guy, however, feel free to boot off the face of the earth.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u185/toddunderscore/ToughestKeyboard.jpg

Not all brilliant minds are neat and tidy....just saying.:shakin:

Photographs always tell a story, but, not always the truth.

[toddunderscore]

Not all brilliant minds are neat and tidy....just saying.:shakin:

Photographs always tell a story, but, not always the truth.

Oh, I'm far from tidy, but I can't imagine that guy leaving no trace on the trail. Did not mean to offend the unkept. I'm the token comic relief and mood lightener. It says so in my sig.:)

—————

- token comic relief & mood lightener -

[Kermit]

Did not mean to offend the unkept.


Oh, didn't offend me...;)

That picture made me think of the mad geniuses...great writers, artist, poets, musicians...what is that saying about a cluttered desk? :)

I like the bottle of gin and the antacid...and what the hell is in the foil...baked potatos?

[toddunderscore]

Oh, didn't offend me...;)

That picture made me think of the mad geniuses...great writers, artist, poets, musicians...what is that saying about a cluttered desk? :)

I like the bottle of gin and the antacid...and what the hell is in the foil...baked potatos?


I'd say it's an impromptu ashtray but that just can't be the case...

[PhulesAU]

Yep, those guys are as bad as the people who idle their motors for a half hour or so, just to take a shower.