The $15,000 Expedition Vehicle: How would you build it? [Archive]

bigreen505

08-16-2006, 07:42 PM

Honestly I think about half to a third of the mod threads address this exact question.

I think it needs to be pretty big (no Jeeps of the CJ/YJ/TJ style and an Unlimited would blow the budget), exactly how big depends on what the driver is comfortable driving and how much people are willing to put on the roof.

Instead of starting with the vehicle, I would be more inclined to start with the mods, and see how much is left over at the end. I know it sounds backwards. I will make the assumption that camping essentials (tent, stove, etc.) don't get factored into the cost of the vehicle.

1. Refrigerator, probably about $1000 with all the necessary odds and ends, shipping and/or tax.
2. Storage, say $300 - $600 for something reasonably simple
3. Rack to store what ever doesn't fit in the car $500
4. Extraction equipment $700 for the entire Black Rat package including hand winch.
5. $500 for battery system and solar panels to power the refrigerator when the vehicle is off
7. I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of stuff, $2000
8. Repairs, maintenance and spare parts for the new rig $4000; sounds high, but when the dust settles, probably not far off. Christo Slee told me to factor than number into the price of any used FJZ80.
9. Tires $800. Tires are the things that make contact with the road, and without good ones, we are walking.
10. Auxiliary food and gas storage, either tanks or cans, or ???

So assuming the car really won't need most of the $4k I've allocated to repairs, we are looking for a rig in the, roughly $4,000 to $8,000 range that is reasonable size and has a history of being bullet proof. You can weed the options down further if you want common parts availability.

Based on that, I would be looking for (in no particular order):
- 98+ Isuzu Trooper. If you find one with a blown engine the are about $2-3k and a new engine (with warranty) is about $4k.
- Gen 2 4Runner
- FJ62 Land Cruiser, these can be had routinely for less than $4000 and cleaned up nicely for another $6000
- WD51 Pathfinder (90-95). Later models have frame problems, so inspect carefully
- 96-2000 Pathfinder, reliable and comfortable
- Jeep XJ, as new as possible
- Very early Tacoma, the 4 cylinder, regular cab 4x4 are relatively inexpensive compared with regular cab and/or V6

I did not consider GPS, onboard nav, lockers or aux. lighting as these can push the price up considerably and very quickly.

sacto_patrol

08-16-2006, 07:45 PM

Start with a 1999 Jeep Cherokee (since 2 people a 2 door, because it looks cool). With the 29-spline 8.25" Chrysler axle and 4.0L automatic. Then ARB's, 3.5" Rubicon Express lift, OME long travel shocks, SYE, High angle drive line, 255/85/16 muds on steel rims, all the needed electronics, I would pull all the carpet and back seat out and diamond plate it, roof mounted tent, nice organization system for the back, and finally a 8,000 lb winch. Oh and lots of armor.

Reason I would start with the XJ. You can get a 1999 or 1998 (best years due to high pinion front dana 30 with dana 44 u-joints and 29 spline 8.25" axle) around $4000 with under 100,000K miles. Only disadvantage is the best MPG is around 18.

goodtimes

08-16-2006, 07:47 PM

1: White 1996 Dodge ram 3/4 ton 4x4 with the cummins.

2: Four wheel popup camper (or similar), used (obviously).

3: Fridge

4: Winch.

5: Air compressor.

done.

Scott Brady

08-16-2006, 07:56 PM

***The vehicle would be traveling solo most of the time.

The reason for the thread is that many folks want to do this stuff, but think $60,000 is required to build a truck and buy the gear. I do not think that is true. This thread will help shed some light on the important mods and the top vehicle choices.

I think it is fun to consider this...

mountainpete

08-16-2006, 07:57 PM

1. 2 Occupants
2. Camping out of the vehicle
3. 4wd for accessing remote locations
4. The 15k includes the price of the vehicle and all modifications.

How would you build it?

This is actually a really tough question and there is no one encompassing answer. It really depends on the person and how they want to "live" for 6 months and how much space they need.

Without those details, my first inclination would be to guide the person towards a Japanese spec RHD Diesel Cruiser or Prado.

Alberta and British Columbia are being flooded with them lately and there are many good deals to be found of vehicles outfitted with lockers and winches for that price range or less. I have even seen one 80 series that was a camping edition that had the raised roof and a rear inside bed deck that was all factory (I think it went for around $18k - it was in a small town in BC and the guy needed to sell).

They are extremely reliable, have an excellent cargo capacity, efficient (diesel) and easy to work on. Need to get over the RFD factor though...

Pete

datrupr

08-16-2006, 08:02 PM

Scott, you have it in your Trooper. Not uncommon in Central and South america, parts are available. Build a drawer system in the back (with the rear seats removed, or half folded) rack, etc. and you shoudl be good to go.

sacto_patrol

08-16-2006, 08:04 PM

I based my answer on vehicles available in Northern California and can handle the local terrain. If I could use diesel Toyotas a whole new world would open up. Including a 70 series pickup with a 4 wheel drive pop-up.

Ryanmb21

08-16-2006, 08:41 PM

Great idea for a thread, great learning potential. I will be watching!:clapsmile

pskhaat

08-16-2006, 09:02 PM

I say a solid FJ60, 16" rims and 235/85r16s. I'd say BJ60/HJ60 but that'll get much more pricey. Emissions equipment removed for reliability, no computer to fail. Distributor and carb changed to non-US to adjust for questionable fuels.

Truck: $5000
Dizzy + Carb: $700
Lift: $1500
6 Tires & Wheels: $1000
Fridge: $1000
Roof Rack: $1000
Winch (even PTO): $1000
TOTAL: $11200

It's big, roomy and bulletproof and dead reliable, no potential EFI issues. I'm quoting approximate new costs too. Roof rack can be had used much cheaper, same as winch, etc. You actually can sleep in the back of the 60 series. Got money to spare on spare parts and local brews.

I'd also swap in 4.11 3rd which are super easy to source from other LC years. Manual tranny for roll starting.

BajaTaco

08-16-2006, 09:22 PM

Private-party KBB for a 2000 Toy Tacoma Xcab/V6/4wd TRD package/75K miles is about $10,000. The TRD package will net a factory rear locker. I would add a set of good 31" tires, recovery and jacking points, some good stock-replacement shocks (Old Man Emu, Bilstein or KYB) and the essential recovery gear and spare parts. I'd mount a roof tent over the bed rails (a la ExWest style), and some Wedco water & fuel cans. Remove the jump seats and put some economical storage platform or bins in there. That should be under the 15K mark, and good to go. I think the key apects here are:

1. Reliability
2. Comfort
3. 4wd/locker will allow more dirt/mud road travel/exploration

Grim Reaper

08-16-2006, 09:56 PM

I'm the King of Cheap.

Toyota 4Runner. $3k including rebuilt engine, Transmission.

Need to fix A/C. Expansion valve stuck. $30. Unfortunately compressor eating itself dumping shavings is usually what plugs them $200. $30 in Freon.

$450 for a set of BFG 33X10.5 KO's on used aluminum wheels

$500 factory E-locker. (actually part of a trade fore a set of 35's I had from another truck. I decided I didn't want to go that big

Researching on how to build a Fridge with some Danfoss BD50f compressor I got for CHEAP. If it works out I will have around $300 in a 2 cubic foot freezer fridge.

Building my own Expedition trailer. So far I have $80 into salvaged aluminum cabinets. Figure $300 for axle with brakes to match the 6 lug of the truck. $300 in steel. Using the current set of wheels and tires on the truck for now. $200 in random items an it should be road worthy. Then little stuff like water tank, LP regulator etc.

Roof top tent the home version. Still researching.

I bought my last off road truck for $1 LOL

Scott Brady

08-16-2006, 10:18 PM

1985 Toyota 4x4 Pick-up with EFI: $5,000
OME Heavy's and shocks: $1,000
ARB Bull Bar with M8000: $1,200
235/85 R16 BFG MT x6 on factory steel wheels: $800
Four Wheel Camper (Shell model w/ heater): $6,000
Fridge: $650
Aux Battery: $150
Seats out of a car: $150

$14,500 and world ready
:truck:

I like Scott's FJ60 plan too.

jeffryscott

08-16-2006, 10:58 PM

1995 Suzuki Sidekick 4door, bad engine: $500
Acme Adapters VW diesel to Sidekick adapter: $1,000
New or remanufactured VW 1.6 TD: $3,000
Lift kit/underbody armor/winch bumper: $2000
Winch: (with synthetic line, etc ...) $1,000
OME shocks/struts: $650
Fridge/Tent/Rack: $2,000
Tires: 245/75/16 or 235/85/16 (with trimming): $750
Snorkel: $250
ARB lockers, front and rear, $1500.

$12650 - lots of leftover for miscellaneous.

The VW diesel in these rigs can give you up to 40 mpg, great torque offroad and easy parts availability.

Suzukis, like Toyotas, are everywhere in South America (at least active in the 4wd clubs whose pictures/videos I've seen) so I suspect parts would be fairly easy.

Take the rear seats out and you could build storage for water (footwells of the rear seat), low center of gravity, and storage platforms for gear.

I have the $500 Zuk, now, the other $12,000 and change is the challenge.

blupaddler

08-16-2006, 11:43 PM

Well...Scott & Scott took my first two ideas with the FJ60 and the Old Skool Toyota. Both very simple and effective.

Here is my solution:

1971 VW Westfalia $4000 (Disc Brake front/IRS Tranny/last year of the Type 1 upright engine...super simple...even an idiot could work on it - VW joke)
1600cc dual port engine $1000
KYB shocks $200
Aux. Battery $200
Upgrade rear bumper with gas can $300
BFG a/ts $500
Black Rat recovery kit $700 (shamelessly plugged from someone else)
Throw in some lightforce lights $300
Misc. repairs and spares $600

Total $7800

:orngartis

I think there is something to be said about not sticking out. You travel Baja and you see families traveling down the sandy beach in the Astro Van, no 4x4. Just basic simplicity.

No need for the $90000 Sportsmobile. Although it would be a lot more comfortable. ;)

Scenic WonderRunner

08-17-2006, 01:06 AM

What about this for an idea.

Of course I'm kinda biased!

Get a cheap 1st Generation 4Runner.

Get one old enough to have a solid axle.....or do an axle swap on a newer 1st gen. 4Runner.

Take the factory fiberglass top off.

Have your buddy build you the most awesome custom pop top shell for it with upper bunk sleeping.....full kitchen....all the goodies.

Extra.....water.....gas AND Propane under the rig.

Leave the back seats in place (they fold down really flat.)

Now you have the ultimate.....one of a kind.....small footprint.....5 seater exploration vehicle!

I have no idea how much this would cost........

But I bet Joaquin Suave could do it up pretty nicely!!!!!!!!:beer:

Colorado Ron

08-17-2006, 02:35 AM

I actually won a contest on Pirate4x4 for a similar competition.Heres a link:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488050&highlight=%243000

Im also the king of cheap when I wanna be. Heres a copy of what I posted:

Depends on how good a deal finder you are. I personally built the following rig for under $2700:

Late 80s fullsize bonco. 351 with blown C6 $300
Rebuilt tranny for $350
Found 4 inch Superlift kit from someone goin solid front axle for $300
Bought front TTB housing from same guy with 4:56 and ARB for $400
rear 9 inch with 4:56 and ARB for $400
Onboard air setup using york for $120
36 inch swampers with 15 inch wheels with 50% tread found for $375
Found Warn 8274 used for $400

TOTAL $2645

Now for EP I would change a few things. Id find a Bronco with the old Inline 6 300 and a 4 spd. Then Id add a pop up slide in camper. New fridge, locks and security and I bet I could build a world capable traveler for under $5k

Colorado Ron

08-17-2006, 02:40 AM

haven

08-17-2006, 04:17 AM

This thread has been interesting reading.

In my experience traveling off the main roads in South America, the most common limiting factor is overhead clearance. Trees grow rapidly in the direction of any available light, so the roadway quickly becomes a green tunnel. Side roads to small villages don't see traffic from tall vehicles like beer trucks, so the tree branches are quite low to the road in many places. Overhead obstructions will halt your progress much more often than any obstacle other than mud.

So I'd be concerned about a vehicle with suspension lift and gear mounted on the roof. A trailer will fit everywhere, while a roof tent or camper will cause problems.

Chip Haven

jeffryscott

08-17-2006, 03:23 PM

http://tucson.craigslist.org/car/194628337.html

http://tucson.craigslist.org/car/194702060.html

http://tucson.craigslist.org/car/185532770.html

http://tucson.craigslist.org/car/186198818.html

Amazing what options there are for this $15,000 expedition vehicle. These are from just glancing at the Tucson craigslist, I bet Phoenix or San Diego or another larger city would have some amazing finds as well.

calamaridog

08-17-2006, 04:00 PM

I'm with Ron on the FORD thing.

1996 Ford F150
extra cab
short bed
4x4
5spd manual
4.9L I6 (frankly, this is the most reliable Ford motor ever)
Tow package

70,000 mi. and excellent condition for $5,500.

Do some serious PM, buy some spares, buy all your equipment (fridge, shell, sleeping platform, etc.), and you are still well under the $15,000 cap.

Class III receivers at both ends for recovery. Custom sliders for jacking points and step.

Upgrade suspension to some heavier duty components and higher quality shocks (Bilstein). Run some 31's and have a couple spare tires.

Good to go:costumed-smiley-007

*edit*

The rational on this vehicle selection is as follows:

Reliable vehicle configuration
Cheap
Parts availability south of the border
Plenty of available cargo capacity and load

bigreen505

08-17-2006, 04:20 PM

I know it has been said here before, but part of what makes ExPo so great is all the different ways people can come up with for reaching essentially the same goal.

For people posting in the future, please explain the rationale behind your suggestion. My recommendations were based on overall expected reliability and the ability to fix most problems in the field, while still providing a vehicle that is large enough to be comfortable for extended travel. Building a vehicle that is comfortable on long highway trips is not hard. Building a vehicle that is capable off road is not that hard either. Combining the two into a vehicle that you can drive across the country, and then begin the off road travel is more difficult, and for me, and absolute requirement.

Scott Brady

08-17-2006, 05:12 PM

For me, I wanted the best combination of reliability and comfort. The 85 Toyota PU was a world vehicle, i.e.- it was sold essentially throughout the world with a 22R motor.

The truck is also very capable in near stock form and super easy to work on. The camper is what makes the whole package livable for a long time.

You would also get decent mileage out of the truck and for those who have traveled in the third world, speed is not important at all. Road speed can be half what they are in the US.

I guess that is my logic :truck:

pskhaat

08-17-2006, 05:50 PM

please explain the rationale behind your suggestion

Bill, I love EFI, and 99% chance nothing would go wrong, but...if it did? I have driven many miles on a non-starting gasser engine with someone dripping fuel or starer fluid down the carb. Anyway, absent of a diesel, I believe a carbureted gasser engine would be what I would take...and most any mechanic can at least get 'em going with aftermarket parts, and a carb can have some pretty nasty fuel go through them without too much issue.

Scott B said an 85? I thought 85 saw the 22RE, 84 and below were 22R? I know the 85 4Runner was 22RE, dunno about the mini-trucks though.

If one did want something a little more modern with injection, the 22RE can be retro'd to a 22R with some work as well as the 3F-E to a 3F carb'd version in SA. But this is where my knowledge of other makes and models fail, I don't know the same on non-Toyota :(

Scenic WonderRunner

08-17-2006, 06:03 PM

I love these little Toys!

....and must admit, I have been looking for one myself!

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/6/10/203/615/580882466.203615237.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

Scott Brady

08-17-2006, 06:05 PM

Scott B said an 85? I thought 85 saw the 22RE, 84 and below were 22R? I know the 85 4Runner was 22RE, dunno about the mini-trucks though.

22R was more common in the 85 P/U than the 22RE. The 4Runner was nearly all 22RE in 85.

My 85 (http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/past_ew_vehicles/1985Toyota/pages/brueno_jpg.htm)was a 22R and had 4WD and PS as the only option. Even had a blank out on the radio.

BMAN

08-17-2006, 09:18 PM

In the middle of my Expo/DD/family campmobile build right now.
I'm doing most of my own work and buying what I can when I can, used and on the cheap. I'm a budget whore and have a hard time justifying to myself purchases of more than a couple hundred dollars at a time (part of the reason my build has taken 2+years). For myself, my plans include US wheeling with some Mexican adventures thrown in. Because of this I chose potetially the most common drivetrain available on the Northern continent. You can virtually buy small block GM parts at any cornerstore in the US.

1985 FJ60 $3200

Included with purchase:

Front and rear lockers
4” lift
33”tires
CB radio with Wilson 1k antenna
Old Magellan GPS (obsolete but still tells me where I am)

Mods needed to be complete and expedition ready:
350/700r4/splitcase conversion Approx $6000 into completed running conversion
Storage drawers (rear) $400 homebuilt
Bumpers/tire carrier/ side protection all homebuilt… $1000
Winch and recovery gear $1000
Added fuel capacity $500
Potable water storage $300
OBA $250
OB Shower $250
OB Welder $300
Aux. Lighting $1000
Cargo Barrier (hb) $200
Used Roof top tent $500

That puts me around $14600 ready to roll. Granted, 90% of the work will be or has been completed by myself and a few friends. Total build cost will be in the $15k-$16k range. And it’s going to be a SOLID expedition/driver.

I see no reason why you couldn’t build a SOLID expedition rig with $15k and about 6 months to build it. Heck you could really do it in a month or so if you could spend a fair amount of time every day hunting parts and doing your own fab work. I’ve found that being able to perform my own work has really made me appreciate this truck and has also saved me hundreds and probably thousands of dollars by the time I’m done

seth_js

08-17-2006, 11:20 PM

Is diesel gas as readily available in places like Central/South America as it is in the states?

Boston Mangler

08-17-2006, 11:45 PM

How would you build it?

Buy a slighty damaged low mile 80 series LC for $5300 and go hog wild on it mods and replacing each and every item known to fail.

Hmmm, sounds familiar! :hehe:

I gotta run to a game now, but when i get back i will detail my costs of building my 80 over the last year or so.

I am sitting at almost exactly 15k and think i have one hell of a reliable expedition rig right now! :D

All that i need now is the roof tent/awning and i am done! :) Well of course for the CRF450X that will be in tow! :D

datrupr

08-17-2006, 11:53 PM

Is diesel gas as readily available in places like Central/South America as it is in the states?
Diesel is very readily available in Central and South America. Most of the trucks/SUV's are diesel powered in SA. The price of gas is still very comparable to here, but they do not have the restrictions on diesel like we do here. Should have no problem finding it in that part of the world.

Colorado Ron

08-18-2006, 02:21 AM

Used Roof top tent $500

Not sure where your finding these, but Ill take 2!

Jonathan Hanson

08-18-2006, 03:44 AM

What a great bunch of responses!

I'd be tempted by the FJ60 option. However, for such a trip I think having the most self-contained, secure, weatherproof, comfortable, and convenient home would be the number two priority next to a reliable vehicle. Therefore I'd look for a used Four Wheel Popup camper and mount it on the best four-wheel-drive Tacoma that would fit in the budget. The four-cylinder would be fine, perhaps even preferable since you'd get a vehicle in better condition (and lower mileage) for the same price. Manual transmission, of course. I'd install heavy duty shocks and rear air bags, and carry an extra bag or two (or, if the budget allowed, Deaver springs). I believe I'd skip the winch and carry a Hi-Lift jack with kit to set up a manual winch if necessary. I'd install a heavy duty front bumper for protection from wayward third-world farm animals and tapirs, and a simple, heavy duty rear bumper with recovery points. Optima or Odyssey batteries. Replace the three-way fridge with an Engel. New BFGs or Goodyears.

I'd feel perfectly sanguine leaving for Tierra del Fuego with such a rig.

pskhaat

08-18-2006, 04:26 AM

common limiting factor is overhead clearance.
Very good point. When I say `lift' I truly mean a severe load capable spring which of course generally results in a mild couple-inch lift. Certainly no 6" lifts here.

Though maybe the roof rack could be substituted for a rear bumper/carrier for fuel and other gear...

jeffryscott

08-19-2006, 04:45 AM

One of the reasons I brought up the Zuki with a VW diesel conversion is I have the Zuk and have played with converting it, so it was a fun mental process getting it ready to go. Plus it is fun to be a bit different.

But, I also think it is a good candidate for such a trip:

first and foremost, capable.

gas mileage, and range, would be tremendous with the diesel

small and maneuverable for the tight roads, cities, etc ...

a Zuk is also fairly unassuming (like a Toyota p/u) and down there, a full size pickup sporting US plates would be pretty high profile (probably anything with US plates would be though.)

In reality though, I'd probably choose something like an 80-series Cruiser. I like having everything enclosed and they are just beautiful machines. I love my Land Rovers, but for reliability, real or perceived (never had any problems with my Disco Series I) I'd go Toyota. Man, are you guys influencing me or what ...?

iguana4x4

08-19-2006, 06:26 PM

I am originally from Colombia (South America) and I am an Automotive Technician from WyoTech. I have done 4x4 expeditions all around my country and some travelling in South America, the USA and Europe.

I would recommend the following:

For any expedition trough South/Central America, I would recommend Toyota products as a first option. Why? they are reliable, durable and parts are readily available everywhere from Mexico to Argentina. Keep in mind that your average backyard mechanic in third world country will NOT know much about EFI, so you will probably have better service options with an FJ60 (carburated) than you would with an FJ80 (EFI). In fact, in Colombia, Toyota introduced EFI 4.5L engines (1 FZ-FE) in 1999!!!

As a second option I would go the Land Rover way, Series II & III, even early Defenders w/o EFI. These are simple, durable, reliable, easy to get service (even in the third world) and parts can be found easily.

So what are the options?
-Toyota FJ60 with carb. engine, easily built under $15K
-Toyota BJ60 more expensive than the gasoline version but still possible
-Toyota Pick-up with a 4 banger, no problem for $15K budget
-Toyota FJ80 (Preferably South American spec. NO EFI)
-Land Rover, any of the above mentioned (NO EFI)

CLynn85

08-20-2006, 07:55 PM

For a first expedition vehicle, I'd start with a ready-built platform such as:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/84-Ford-Bronco-4x4-w-93-litecraft-pop-up-camper-rv-4wd_W0QQitemZ270019412121QQihZ017QQcategoryZ50061Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

-Rebuilt 302v8 - $2500
-New AOD Trans - $1000
-Winch bumper & Warn M8000 - $1200
-Communications equip and TV - $3000
-Light cleaning, refurb, upgrade on camper, add solar panels, Replace shocks and suspension bushings

Have a nice, well-rounded package for $15k

Boston Mangler

08-26-2006, 02:38 PM

I am curious of how some of you would build one with the following criteria:
1. 2 Occupants
2. Camping out of the vehicle
3. 4wd for accessing remote locations
4. The 15k includes the price of the vehicle and all modifications.

How would you build it?

How about, how DID We build it? :D

Ok, here is my breakdown of what i did and why.

I wanted something reliable, comfortable, with good aftermarket support and something fairly common to source parts for.

I decided on a FZJ80 for those very reasons above. It would be very tough to find a more reliable and comfy rig for the price.

Since it was going to be used extensively offroad doing everything from Expedition trips to Baja, some rock crawling and everything in between i knew the paint would be scratched. Because of this, the exterior was not really important to me.

The search began for a low mileage FZJ80 that was mechanically sound. It took a few months but the ideal candidate fell into my lap. It was a 93FZJ80 with 110k from the original owner with ALL records of work done. Super clean inside and very mechanically sound.

The catch was that it was in a small fender bender and destroyed the front bumper and some other minor stuff. This was perfect for me because i didnt care about an exterior that was going to be subject to brush and rocks and the interior and mechanics were perfect! I beat the guy up on the price and got it for $5700. Perfect platform for a Expediton build up.

Here is a jist of what i did, why i did it and how much it cost.

-New Hood = $330
-ARB Bumper = $650
-Headlight = $225

*Now it looks perfect and has an ARB bumper for $6905

Stuff i added for long distance travel:

45 Quart Engel Fridge = $475
1500 Watt Power Inverter = $175
Custom Dual Battery Setup = $300
Retrofitted front and rear Electric lockers $1300 for both
Hanna Sliders = $800
Slee Rear Bumper = $1200
African Outback full aluminum rack = $1100
(5) 33" MTR = $1200
Hi Lift Jack = $75
Alpine Deck with Direct Connect Ipod Controls = $200
Cobra CB = $70
LED Interior Lighting = $100
OME Lift, Shocks and Stabilizer = $900
44 Gallon Aux Tank = $1300 (with all the goodies)
Headlight Upgrade = $125

Total = $16,225 for what, in my opinion is an excellent expedition rig with all the goodies.

If i had to scratch $1200 off to get it down to $15 i would lose the MTR's for something quieter! :D

Still left to do is:
-Roof Tent
-HID Aux Lights
-Winch
-Drawer System

I have gone on trips to baja with me + 3 others in the rig and were fairly comfortable (as long as the shortest person sits behind me, :D )

This is my .02

:D

94-RUNNER

08-26-2006, 09:27 PM

Sounds to me like a great set up. Everything you need in expedition vehicle when done.
By the way where did you find a Engel 45 for only $475 ?

Boston Mangler

08-26-2006, 09:37 PM

By the way where did you find a Engel 45 for only $475 ?

Some place online that sells scratch and dent units.

Pretty sure it was Ron the Bus nut, but now the URL doesnt work www.ronthebusnut.com

jkam

09-19-2006, 05:02 PM

A few years ago I found a Pathfinder van sitting in Albuquerque.
Made an offer and drove away for $1900.
I put about $16,000 into it and have a very comfortable expedition rig.
I've spent plenty of time down in Baja and the setup works fine.
I would have no problem taking it to Tierra del Fuego if I could afford the fuel.
Here is a link to the rebuild I did.
http://www.nomadicman.com/kvan.html

http://www.nomadicman.com/images/in_the_desert_2.jpg

pskhaat

09-19-2006, 05:32 PM

Excellent work. That van is certainly now impressive!

justfred

09-19-2006, 05:34 PM

Now to come up with a completely different setup, Id try a Pinz. Easily done for under $15k. You can find a 710M for $5-8k fairly easily. That gives you gobs of ground clearance, bullet proof drivetrain, and selectable lockers. $1000 for paint, $1000 for new tires, $1000 for misc maintance, and its setup. Leaves you with at least $4k to equip it with gear such as winch, roof top tent, storage, and fridge!

Paint? What is this "paint" you speak of??

I love my Pinz, and it's got a lot going for it durability and performance-wise - main problem being (I believe) it's too military-looking to try to take through South America without it being confiscated and/or comandeered. Maybe that's why the paint - make it bright pink with big yellow daisies and the Federales will be less likely to want to steal it?

I'd go with a late '60s/early '70s (IIA or III) Land Rover 109. Hard top and 3-door would probably be the most practical, tho I still like the soft top better. Personally I like right hand drive on crappy roads 'cause you can see where the edge is. But any cheap beater Toyota 4x pickup would be fine. The uglier looking the better. If it's new and shiny take it out and roll it a couple of times first, or at least take a 5lb sledge to the sheet metal. Put the money into replacing and waterproofing the electrical system, and tuning up everything under the hood that's a maintenance question. Go stock, because that's what you'll need when it breaks down.

The '71 Vanagon is a good idea as well. If you're really going all the way to Tierra Del Fuego, you aren't going to have time to bother with fun dirt roads - mostly you'll be on some form of pavement. VWs are what the (relatively well off) locals drive. If it were trans-Africa, 4wd might be more mandatory.

Go minimal on gear. What do you need a fridge and solar panels for? Sure, having steaks is great for a short outing; for a long trip, learn to love canned or dehydrated food, or eat fresh like the locals. Worst case, styrofoam cooler and a bag of ice.

I like a small lock box (ammo box bolted to the truck somewhere) for camera, cash, and passport when they're not on you (swimming?). Otherwise don't take anything (including the truck) that you can't lose and replace easily.

Throw in a kill switch of some sort, hidden under the dash. Just two different-colored wires that have to be twisted together to run the fuel pump, for example. It won't keep the truck from being stripped, but it will stop runaway joyriders/carjackers pretty quickly, while possibly giving you time to hide. If, say, they take you at gunpoint? Throw up your hands: "Este troke siempre es rompido".

kcowyo

09-19-2006, 06:08 PM

Hey jkam, Welcome to ExPo! :beer:

That's a great van and the work you've done to it is a great combo of function and comfort. Sure looks to me you've got all the right stuff. Great job documenting on your site, all of the work you've done.

You mentioned gas prices (brutal) but does your van have factory dual tanks? I know some did and some didn't. I saw the fuel can, just wondering if that was extra, extra.

I'm pretty sure that's the only van I've seen with Recaro seats, nice. I know Sportsmobiles get most of the pub, but Pathfinder uses the right stuff too.

With a new 350, fridge, heater, BFG's, winch and stereo, man you're set. I like it alot! Nice work -

***oh, and down by the river. Classic!!

Grim Reaper

09-19-2006, 06:20 PM

jkam

09-19-2006, 08:19 PM

Thanks for the welcome and compliments on the van.

kcowyo.

No dual tanks and the main tanks only hold 24 gallons. I looked into getting a bigger tank but it's too much hassle, thus the Wedco on the rack.
Sadly, I don't use the van these days because of fuel prices and have been wandering around on a motorcycle the last 2 years.

Grim Reaper.

The pictures on the rebuild site aren't very good at showing a lot of stuff. Someday I hope to upgrade the photos to show things better. Right now, those are all I have.
The front axle is from a Ford with the pumpkin on the left, needed for clearance of the driveshaft. The transfer case is also Ford with an adapter to mate to the Turbo 400. Pathfinder did a great job on this conversion. This thing bangs U turns like a much small vehicle, the steering setup they used works awesome.

dirtysouth

09-20-2006, 03:56 PM

Hey Jay, welcome to the forum man. I figured you and Ara would like it with the way you guys get around. Keep the rubber side down.:ylsmoke:

Hltoppr

09-28-2006, 04:09 PM

Ok...I'll give my take...

Used 2002 F650GS Dakar....$4500
Farkles (Bags/tires/full service) $2000
Gear for 2 (nice BMW stuff) $2000.00
Camping equip. $1500

Total: $10,000.00

$1000/month for play $$ on the road....

-H- :sombrero:

TxRider

10-26-2007, 09:04 PM

I often get questions of how to build an expedition vehicle on the cheap. Something reliable and good over long distances.

I am curious of how some of you would build one with the following criteria:

1. 2 Occupants
2. Camping out of the vehicle
3. 4wd for accessing remote locations
4. The 15k includes the price of the vehicle and all modifications.

How would you build it?

I'm going to give it a try with a 1953 dodge M-37.

It's a 3/4 ton army pickup, think 1953 humvee.

It's short wheelbase, full floating axles 4x4, front and rear leaf, 2 speed transfer case. Stock with 36" tires, combat wheels to let you split the wheel and change tire or tube trailside, hard or canvas top, canvas rear cover as well. Also braden pto drive winch stock, 175' of 7/16 cable, gear driven transfer case. Can take 40"+ tires with no lift or suspension mods.

Mods available as kits I intend to do, engine replacement with a 4bta cummins 4 cylinder diesel, easily acquired used from fleet delivery vans, good for 500,000+ miles without rebuild, good fuel mileage.

5 speed overdrive tranny from a duece and half, 4 wheel disk brake upgrade kit, power steering kit running from cummins integrated hydraulic pump, air tank running off the cummins integrated compressor.

Re gear from 5.83 up to 4.88 to get a little highway speed and front and rear lock-rite lockers.

Home built bed storage setup with sleeping on top, under the military canvas top or build a hard top.

http://www.cafsmw.org/smw-images/museum-vehicle/M37.jpg

http://richardsjohnson.net/db5/00408/richardsjohnson.net/_uimages/IMGP1838.JPG

Another alternative would be a 1950's M43 3/4 ton 4x4 ambulance with a cummins 4bt and duece transmission, regear with lockers, change tires and kit out the back, comes with 4 cots in it too.

http://www.militaryvehicles.com/vehicle_104.shtml

But it's not something your going to do for 15k unless you buy one in need of a lot of work and you do all the work yourself.

Nullifier

10-27-2007, 01:58 AM

interesting thread. I would have to look for foriegn car reliability and good part availability though out the trip. A large part of deciding where to put $ will be determined on how much you can fab on the cheap and DIY vs buy quality parts of the shelf for big $. i would be doing alot of work my self to save money on labor to afford better parts where I can and need to have them.

I would probably look for a toyota mini with the 22r motor ( to save fuel since I'mon a budget to begin with this will be important), it would be manual trans 4cy, with xtracab. This will give you enough leg room and some space to store quick acces items in the cab. I would shoot for an IFS model since they are more common now a days. I would focus on mechanical strength rather then body meaning I could deal with dents and warn paint to save some $ to put toward mechanicals.

I would probably start with the obvious mechanical stuff assuming the engine has good compression and the trans is working good and the chassis is in good condition. Figure 1K to replace all belts hoses, u joints, axle seals, bearings, brakes, replace rubber brake lines, fluids, radiator, water pump, alt, starter, plugs, plug wires, cap, rotor, all new vacume lines fuel filter, fuel pump, Probably pull tank and inspect for excessive rust. air filter, clean throttle body and replace injectors. headlights and corner lights. once this was done and truck was up to top mechanical shape I would have spent roughly 6K

Next up would be armour Spending roughly 1500 to get new front & rear bumper along with beefy skid plates. A big priority sice unknown terrain can produce serious trail damage. Front bumper would have a winch mount.

Next I would add tires a basic mud terrain tread no larger then 33" an regear acordingly adding arb a locker to the rear and a selectable up front. figuring a shop to set up gear but me pulling the thirds roughly 1700.

Forr a lift an arb system would suffice at $1000

snorkel $300

Front aux lighting @ 200 and rear lighting at $40

Upgrade seats $400

durabak interior $200

Electrical do dads Invertor, air compressor, GPS, dual battery system, @nd fuse block, CB radio, interior led lights, $1000

Jerry cans and holders, $225

Dry storage and lockable boxes to mount in bed. $600

Fridge (60l) $1000
Winch $700

Spare parts $500

Assuming I already had tools, camping gear this is about where I would be.

Mobryan

11-11-2007, 03:15 AM

1973 1300 International pickup, 4x4, long box, factory rear locker, dual fuel tanks, V-345, 5 speed transmission, 4.88 gears, "medium duty" 8600 GVW, $600 + 1400 misc. upgrades/repairs (Brakes, lights, hoses,new radiator, redundant fuel pump, ect)

$25 convert old A/C pump into air compressor
$100 for redundant battery setup, welding cables.
~$200 in steel for skid plates, rear tire carrier/bumper combo, tie rod protector.

~$500 creature comfort upgrades (install radio, GPS, better seat)

$750 for tires (235/85/16)

~$5000 for used slide in camper, another $1000 for camper related misc.

I followed a similar path for our current off road camper, went all over the Southwest on our honeymoon, the only breakdowns in ~4000 miles were a flat tire, and a vacuum leak in the heater controls (fixed with bubblegum).

That in a rig that was on the used car lot before I was born:Mechanic:

Matt

Rezarf <><

11-11-2007, 06:09 PM

Very cool thread-

I would go with a used early 90's Toyota Pickup, and strap AT's box to the rear with the RTT.

Add a freezer and new suspension and tires, and you are really close to being set up.

An 80 series with cargo room/drawers and a few camping creature comforts could get you out playing quickly as well.

Drew

Kermit

11-12-2007, 09:53 PM

I might be a little bias here, but, what I have already.

An early Tacoma with a Wildernest. I would sell it as it sits today for $9000.

Camburg front coil overs, OME rears with Bilsteins 5100.

A fridge/freezer would be nice, but, not necessary.

What I really like about the Wildernest is the ability to stand up in it, ease of setup, fairly "aero" when closed. Plus you can mount a rack to it. If you wanted to, you could probably sleep 4 people in there. I almost went the RRT route, but, the 'Nest seemed far more practical. Worth the wait looking for one.

So with the other 6 grand, I would ad an ARB bumper, winch, new rear bumper for a spare tire and Jerry cans. Still leaves a bunch money left over for travel.;)

I would assume a Toyota would be a great vehicle to take world wide, since they are readily available, parts should be easy to come by.

Speaker

11-13-2007, 02:39 PM

Some day, I'll have $15,000 :cool:

Kermit

11-13-2007, 03:23 PM

Some day, I'll have $15,000 :cool:

Oh, I remember those starving student years...

98roamer

11-13-2007, 03:41 PM

[QUOTE=Boston Mangler]Some place online that sells scratch and dent units.

Pretty sure it was Ron the Bus nut, but now the URL doesnt work www.ronthebusnut.com[/QUOTE

It's back up and running with another Norcold Chest
http://www.ronthebusnut.com/detailDisp_MRFT-.html

Kermit

11-13-2007, 03:59 PM

Hey, why is this thread under the Earthroamer/Uni-cat section? Aren't those machines uber expensive?

Ruffin' It

11-13-2007, 07:02 PM

If going this route you could aways buy a VW with a TDI in it, steal the engine and part out the rest of the car. If done properly you would likely be able to end up recouping the majority of your money.

1995 Suzuki Sidekick 4door, bad engine: $500
Acme Adapters VW diesel to Sidekick adapter: $1,000
New or remanufactured VW 1.6 TD: $3,000
Lift kit/underbody armor/winch bumper: $2000
Winch: (with synthetic line, etc ...) $1,000
OME shocks/struts: $650
Fridge/Tent/Rack: $2,000
Tires: 245/75/16 or 235/85/16 (with trimming): $750
Snorkel: $250
ARB lockers, front and rear, $1500.

$12650 - lots of leftover for miscellaneous.

The VW diesel in these rigs can give you up to 40 mpg, great torque offroad and easy parts availability.

Suzukis, like Toyotas, are everywhere in South America (at least active in the 4wd clubs whose pictures/videos I've seen) so I suspect parts would be fairly easy.

Take the rear seats out and you could build storage for water (footwells of the rear seat), low center of gravity, and storage platforms for gear.

I have the $500 Zuk, now, the other $12,000 and change is the challenge.

colter

11-14-2007, 02:37 PM

great thread! I've enjoyed reading through all the different ideas here. I've been a lurker for awhile and decided to sign up.

I'm working on this same project for my 85 x-cab yota 4x4 P/U. (got it for $2000) 152xxx miles. I need a rust free bed, but other than that theres no rust on it. Here's the plan-
marlin crawler 3" suspension system with hy-steer $2000
33" M/T's on steel wheels $1200
4.88 geared 3rd's with ARB's, compressor, tank, etc. $3500
Bumpers and armor $1500
Winch with synthetic line $1500
Home built sleeping platform with thick foam mattress in the back
all the other little stuff you need for a buildup $2000
fridge and accessories $1000
and you're still under $15,000

zimm

11-18-2007, 09:51 PM

01 lx470......

shat. i screwed up already.

seriessearcher

11-19-2007, 04:20 PM

I am actually building something up now which I'll be able to test this out.

First Purchase is a 1967ish Land Rover Dormobile. it should be here on Wednesday. Total cost so fare with shipping $2500. I'll do a full vehicle report to see frame and engine needs and then go from there. I will be documenting this on me website as well as in the LR thread above.

On the list of mods:
Diesel conversion (Which one still undecided)
Bumpers and sligers as well as rear tire mount from Ike Goss
Updated wiring to support winch, lights, interior comforts (Dual Batteries)
Updated Storage interior as well as exterior.
Possible locking rear diff of some sort.

Once i get my hands on her I'll know more.

spencyg

11-21-2007, 05:12 PM

Diesel conversion (Which one still undecided)
.

Those Cummins 4BTA's are pretty sweet motors with very little work. I have an issue of Diesel Power magazine which has an early bronco with a warmed over 4BT making 400hp and getting 27 MPG... !

Spence

endo

11-28-2007, 07:56 PM

This thread inspired me to take it as a challenge.
I bought a '00 TOD trooper with all of the options (windows/seats/etc...) 6000
Then I bought an Engel 800
I plan to use my m101 trailer (750) with my RTT 900 (Mombasa) for a mobile base camp. I built a lid and added a few odds and ends 400

From here I will lift it 2-3 inches and install 265/75r16 at tires 600 for tires and 800ish for suspension.
I am planning for a bumper and winch so figure 1400

so at this time I am looking at 11650.
I will more than likely come in really close to 15k by the time I add things like lights, radios, batteries and roof rack.

but I think it would be capable enough,

We shall see. I have a multi month trip in the planning stages now that this is being built for.

Jeep

11-29-2007, 03:39 AM

Her is what I did a few years back

Mint 1976 GM 3/4 ton 4x4, low mileage, no rust 350, SM465 trans, NP205, 14 bolt rear, Dana 44 front $4000

Brand new GM performance 350/290 HP crate engine $1600

4" Skyjacker lift $900

5 Used but like new 35" BFG Mud T/A's with wheels $1000

Detroit locker in rear $500

Homebuilt but nice front bumper with a used but gone through Warn 8274 $600

Threw a Blazer rear tank in for a total of 3 tanks about $200

Nice clean used but older Bigfoot all fiberglass camper $2500

So it cost around $11 000 to get there. I'm a little anal in the details so there was not an old fuel line, rad hose, brake hose, seal, etc left anywhere on the truck..need it or not. The truck was in very good condition to start with as well. I put dual batteries in it, dual 6V golf cart batteries in the camper, 2 solar panels, new alternator and starter, a lot of my own TLC and "free" mods. Now it wasn't the greatest on fuel but it carried lots, had good power, was dead reliable, super easy to fix, and with the lighter camper on it was still fairly capable for it's size. The camper was very comfy for my wife and and I for 3 years. I didn't keep tabs on the little things but it very likely ended up in the $15 000 range but it never cost a cent in maintanence or repairs (other than oil changes) for the next 3 years either. Every time I come across a clean old Chevy for the right price I have this strong urge to simplify and do that again, and they are out there. The brand new GM 350 is now $1500 with a one year unlimited mileage warranty, yeah it's not a diesel but it is cheap enough to offset some costs.......ahhhh don't get me going! Great thread, brings back some great memories! Thanks for the place in cyberspace, great website.

adrenaline503

11-29-2007, 05:02 AM

Ford Ranger 4x4. They are cheap. and the easiest thing to find parts for. Get a used canopy off craigslist. Have some lightweight tube bumpers and sliders built. Lifts are cheap. Get a RTT and put it on a lumber rack over the canopy. Drive.

Sloan

12-06-2007, 04:55 AM

I bought my 84 FJ 60 for $1000 with 230,000 miles
Wheels and tires $1000
38 gallon tank $750
Kaymar rear bumper $700
Arb front bumper $500
Warn 8274-50 $700

Total $4650 so far :D

Still need;
Roof top tent $850 May skip and sleep in the truck
Fridge $700-1000 May skip
Rear storage $200 I'll build
Dual battery set up ???
Re gear to 4.11s
Arbs ???

I just drove her from LA to Pismo and she was averaging 12-13 mpg 60-70 mph depending on the hills. I am going to do the regear the truck in the next week in preparation to drive LA-Portland-Bend-LA over the holidays.

kcowyo

12-06-2007, 06:17 AM

I bought my 84 FJ 60 for $1000 with 230,000 miles

Pics?

They would be welcome here (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9354)

Sloan

12-06-2007, 08:12 PM

There are some pics of my cruisers in the reader's rides in general chat.

ChuckB

12-06-2007, 11:12 PM

01 lx470......

shat. i screwed up already.

See Sig below...

Flounder

12-07-2007, 02:42 PM

I enjoyed this thread. I think it brings up a fantastic point about what one really requires to do a big trip of any sort. In '98 I helped teach a friend how to ride a motorcycle at her home in the Pyrenees in France. 6 months later she rode a '93 Honda XR650l from Cape Town to Cairo. It was bone stock. She had no clue how to fix a flat, repair anything or really even camp.

You don't "need" all that much to do great things. The proper gear and knowledge sure makes the trip safer and more comfortable.

Heck, I drove from Prudoe Bay, AK to Vera Cruz, Mexico in a '92 Ford Explorer with ZERO mods, a suspect CV joint and a tempermental transmission. Smart? Probably not, but it's what I had at the time.

preacherman

12-08-2007, 07:27 PM

Sloan

12-09-2007, 03:23 AM

I agree with Preacherman, I am slowly realizing that stock is better. The only thing I would add is a winch. I have rarely needed one but when I did it was IMPORTANT.

sami

12-10-2007, 05:14 PM

I'm too much in love with the 1st gen 4runner to give it up... so, my expo rig'll be built off of a 1st gen. (i already have two, one '85 rockcrawler[into it $10k+], and unmolested '86 SR5 in great condition.. picked it up for $600)

I'm thinking an '86-89 for the IFS, and with that going with Total Chaos front suspension for long travel($1,500), good at speed. Then go OME heavy's in the rear. TRD e-locker in the rear, and probably running 4.88s.

32" Maxxis Bighorns on 15-16 wheels w/ rock rings (not beadlocks). $1,000

For engine, 2.7 4cyl out of a tacoma gets great mpg and same HP as the 3.0 $599

I like the idea mentioned earlier in this thread about a custom camper top for the 1st gen 4runner, and retaining the rear seats. One could built entirely their own top, or mod the existing fiberglass top. I'd try to use the factory top, and incorporate a pop up roof system to it.. could even run a roof rack over the cab if needs be for more storage.

I've wanted to build a custom storage unit under the bed (where the stock spare tire location is). Build a box to store longer term storage items like spare birf, u-joint, shafts, who knows.. maybe even incorporate a winch in the rear of it, with the line routed out the rear bumper.

Rear bumper would be custom swing out with 1-2 tire holders, gas, water etc. $1,000

Front bullbar, probably custom or fab onto FrontRange's front bumber w/ winch. Fender guards from the front bumper to the rock sliders. $700 ( i already have the 8k lb winch

Snorkel, GPS, IPF lights and so on..

This is my next rig in a nut shell...

And a quick reasoning on the suspension ie Total Chaos IFS and not a solid axle. I want a rig that will handle the road/expo style trip/ at speed back roads/and slick rock in moab.. i feel this suspension handles it all, giving the rig a capability for anything it encounters. Think, expedition/baja rig capable of crawling some trails in Moab.

A note on the custom top.. i'm trying to map out a plan to add roll-up canvas sides to the factory top. Incorporate that in with a custom pop up roof, and the fact that the whole deal is removable.. :)

-Jason

762X39

12-18-2007, 02:59 PM

My vehicle doesn't exactly match the criteria (I can sleep in the back) but here goes...
1970 Mercedes Unimog (Swiss 404) $10K CDN
custom bunk across the front of the box with a weapon locker for 2 long guns and misc storage $225 CDN
custom matress to fit $75 US for a pair
2 coleman 7 day coolers $90 CDN
24 to 12 volt converter (20 amp) to allow use of cel charger, interior lighting etc $80 CDN
GPS (Map60) plus mounts and custom cable to be pwr from 24vdc $275 CDN
4 extra fuel cans $50US
Ignition convertion with Ignitor module to civilian plugs,cap and wires including platinum plugs $350 CDN
Used spare on rim (I carry 2 spares) $75 US
Misc spare filters,belts and hoses and fluids $200 CDN
Heavy foil coated sound padding under the engine doghouse $75 US
Ear plugs $0.75
The rest was my existing camping equipment.

I took a 5000 km trip with this setup into northern ontario past Pickle Lake to where the ice road starts (end of the year round road) and found nothing for wanting.
The only improvements will be to cure the vapour lock I suffer on hot days and a switch to radial tires for lower rolling resistance.

shahram

12-20-2007, 03:50 AM

I like this topic. It's been a good read. I spent two years as a backpacking guide living out of a 5500 cubic inch backpack, some guys idea of "must have's" always cracks me up.

Not to hijack but here is my slant. How cheap could you do it.

truck
FJ60 lets say 3,000 for one not too ragged out
$700 mis tune up/replace stock parts (keep the old ones as spares)
$250 shocks (nothing fancy but better than factory)
$400 new AT tires in factory size (keep the best old one as a spare)
Mods
food storage- $25 wal-mart ice chest (guess what they sell ice all over the world)
cargo system $25 (one word for you "rubbermaid")
sleeping-sleep in the cruiser FREE
Mics recovery tools $150 (high lift, strap, etc...)
Good set of tools and a factory book $200
Total= $4750 That leaves $10,250 for gas, trip costs, and breakdowns...thats alot of coin for one heck of a trip

I'm with you here, but without a cargo system in the back, you'll be loading and unloading bins and coolers to find a place to sleep. Then you're leaving those items outside in the weather, or vulnerable to thieves or animals. Even with a cargo system, the room that's between cargo and ceiling will be too cramped for even two of the most intimate people. A simple roof rack and Car Top Tent will set you back another $1k, still well within budget.

stevenmd

01-13-2008, 04:26 AM

Mid '70's Land Rover SIII - $6000
Misc parts for tune up - $500
Convert to disc brakes - $800
New parabolic leaf springs - $500
Fridge - $650
RTT - $1500
Misc metal bars to weld over side and rear windows for security - $300
Leaves $4750 for other little necessities like beer, food, love of a good woman...:gunt:

mrstang01

01-13-2008, 09:50 PM

For engine, 2.7 4cyl out of a tacoma gets great mpg and same HP as the 3.0 $599

Where are you finding a 2.7 this cheap? Does it include the computer and wiring? What tranny would you use?

Michael

Nullifier

01-14-2008, 01:21 AM

Ha ya know what's funnt is i just realized that my rig fits the $15,000 budget. I figure I have about 12K in it including the truck.

kjp1969

01-16-2008, 11:47 PM

I started the project a couple of weeks ago with a '95 Bronco with 114k miles. It came with 31x10.50 BFG/AT, new poly bushings, Rancho 9000 adjustable shocks and it's in pretty good shape. It passed CA smog with flying colors and starts and runs well.

So far I've replaced the cooling hoses and belts as PM. The interior comes next with new carpet and seat covers (coulda skipped it, I suppose, but it smelled like dog.) I figure I'll spend a few hundred on more PM and some recovery gear, and I'm good for under $4500. Future plans may include a small lift and 33" tires and more gear. I'll get some pics together and post up in the next week or two.

Its not ideal by "expedition" standards, but it'll get me out into the CA desert with my kids and is a true weekend car.

devinsixtyseven

01-18-2008, 09:08 PM

I don't know how I missed this thread, but here's another take...what would you add to any vehicle, and how much would you have left to buy the vehicle itself?

Seems like people list navigation, comms, fridge, sleeping area, gear organization, reliable tires and stronger suspension to carry it all.

Nav- 500 for a nice setup
Comms -400 total, 2M (150), CB (100), three or four hand radios (150), more if you wanted dx equipment too
Fridge -800 tops, likely less
Tires -1250 ish for 6 quality, beat up steel rims and "normal" sized tires
Suspension -2K for shocks and springs all around, probably much less, only required for all the extra weight, not lift
Bumper -1000
Lights -300 and that's easily four really nice ones front and back
Rack -Not if I can help it!
Sleeping bags -300 for two
Water storage -120, or is it 200, for 4 Scepter cans
Fuel -Same thing, call it 200
Winch -Need one where you're going? Sure...Budget 1000 for winch and doodads, if you figure you need it.

That's about half the budget, and I'm certain it can be pared down. Like a few said, "expedition" doesn't necessarily require a winch and massive bumper, etc...but even without paring, that leaves about 7500 bucks for a vehicle, and I know where to find an old reg. cab bench seat Toyota for 3K with a cap...leaving 4500 for PM & baseline, doodads, and gas money. Throw 2K toward maintenance and repair, still leaves 2500 bucks.

Throw one spare in the normal place underneath, the second spare under a homemade sleeping platform...also under the platform go fuel, water and fridge, and everything else during the day...out of sight, out of mind!

It would also be very handy to have a manual sliding rear window, so you could climb from the cab to the bed w/o having to leave the truck. That's awful handy in a high wind with sand and rain going everywhere. Part of the 2500 would go toward making that access reality. Or, just find an old 4Runner instead of an old reg. cab truck.

Take an hour or two and throw dirt at it so it looks older and a little more beat.

Spend part of the remainder on at least conversational classes in the language of the region where I'd be traveling.

Feel free to insert Mitsubishi where I had Toyota :). I could see an early 90s Trooper doing the same job.

Maybe I'll have a chance to try this, as I plan to pick up that old Yota for 3K come spring.

-Sean

24HOURSOFNEVADA

01-18-2008, 09:47 PM

mrstang01

10-26-2008, 07:57 PM

An old thread, but an interesting one. I'm starting with a 94 Suburban. Probably going to do a straight axle swap for the reliability, build a sleeping platform/storage area, and call it good. I'd love to do a Cummins swap, but that's a lot of money!

Michael

jfarsang

12-12-2008, 07:46 PM

Revived :cow:

What about a VW Syncro Westy ?

Or if you're up in Canada, a Delica, HDJ81 or Nissan Patrol ?

Some nice imported rigs up here. All diesel. :chowtime:

almac

08-11-2009, 05:26 AM

i've actually been looking into this for some time, and for that budget.:coffee:
i'm currently considering an american tour...

from what ive been researching i think ill go with:

Mitsubishi Delica 4x4 Diesel 5SPD, 2"lift (learned a lot on Delica.ca)
rear ARB Locker/compressor
31" tires
interior mods including small removable galley & futon
Light Bar w' 4 Offroad lights
Radio & Recovery equipment
Fridge

umm, what more does a guy need, other than beer in the fridge?:D

i already own most of the other extras, like nikon cams, glass, computers, gps, etc.

Gt3454

08-14-2009, 01:34 AM

So, I'm way outside the norm.

2000 Land Rover Disco 2 (3500$) w/identical parts truck (900$ with blown motor) This includes 3" lift, 5x 33in BFG AT's, ARB bumper, Surco Roof rack, 2x 11" yellow 100w Pismo's and 6x 7" 80w clear lights, Arb sliders/nerfs, OBA, dual battery setup

Considering adventure trailer (5500$-9500$) includes RTT, water/gas storage/kitchen.

Oh yeah, a lot of spare parts and a huge tool kit.

Already have 2 kayaks, dirtbikes, fishing, mountain bikes and camping gear

Planning a 1 year expo from New England to Alaska and then down through the western US and on to South America. Sort of a celebration of the last kid leaving the house.

michaels

08-14-2009, 01:51 AM

with a strong running range rover classic $15,000 will get you everything you need...including the cost of the vehicle.

matt s

08-14-2009, 02:35 AM

Just about done with my mine and it fits the requirements of the thread.

71 blazer
Plenty of mods, all the standards.
still under 10k even with 2k sunk into completely redoing the front end.

Parts are easy. The chevy 350 and drive train have been around for a while ;-)

Oh yeah, we all noticed this thread is two years old right???

ExplorerExplorer

08-14-2009, 02:38 AM

Wow... This is my truck... Except it won't even cost $15000...

1991 Ford Explorer OHV 4.0L, 5-speed - $500
Spare 1993 Ford explorer with good engine/tranny/F&R axles (bad body!)- $150
Aux fuel tank and water tank - Free!
5 235/85-16 + rims (16" steel Crown Vic spare wheels) - $1000
3" long arm lift - $1500
Rack - $1000 (I'll be making my own and I'm sure I'll be out less than a grand)
Fridge - $1000
Custom inside storage/bed system (got great ideas for this!) - $500
Front and rear winch bumpers - $2000 (again, I'll be custom making both)
Front and rear winches - $2000
Front and rear ARB's - $2000
Nav & comm system - $2000 (this is both HAM and CB, along with GPS and radio and speaker upgrade for driving tunes)
Dual/triple battery set-up - $1000 (estimation on cost)

That puts me at $14,650... I don't think anyone can say that truck wouldn't survive an Expedition most anywhere, I think it is perfect for anyone staying close to the US... Imagine how easy it is to get parts for on of the most common trucks in the US... I can go to the junkyard and get anything I need at all... Plus, I have an entire spare truck if I need anything off of it... I doubt I'll spend that much though, most of my stuff will be made myself or purchased used...

UrbanCummin

08-14-2009, 01:37 PM

1: White 1996 Dodge ram 3/4 ton 4x4 with the cummins.

2: Four wheel popup camper (or similar), used (obviously).

3: Fridge

4: Winch.

5: Air compressor.

done.

:iagree: except I would go with a 89-93 dodge (no CAD 4wd system), a 4" lift to soften up the suspension a lot and 35" agressive all terrain tire.

These trucks can be had very cheap, have virtually no electronics on the engine, and are dirt cheap to modify. Plus a nearly bullet prof drivetrain.

UCBerzerkeley

08-15-2009, 04:27 PM

No expert here, but from the looks of it, 10k might have been a better "challenge" :)

ExplorerExplorer

08-15-2009, 06:22 PM

No expert here, but from the looks of it, 10k might have been a better "challenge" :)

I think if the OP was going for a vehicle that couldn't be bought for less than $5K, then $15k is a good challenge, but so many vehicles are available cheaply (especially if you are planning on staying close to US borders)... Now, if this was "Build a LC 80/Tacoma/4Runner/Xterra/Rover for $15K" it would be a challenge...

The Swiss

08-16-2009, 04:49 PM

Plus, I have an entire spare truck if I need anything off of it... I doubt I'll spend that much though, most of my stuff will be made myself or purchased used...Original task was to build a vehicle for a 6 months trip to Tierra de Fuego; you will therefore have to add a trailer to drag your spare truck with you through Latin America ... ;) But your set-up sounds quite capable.

ExplorerExplorer

08-16-2009, 07:26 PM

Original task was to build a vehicle for a 6 months trip to Tierra de Fuego; you will therefore have to add a trailer to drag your spare truck with you through Latin America ... ;) But your set-up sounds quite capable.

That's what I get for not reading the entire thread! Actually, if I were to do that, I'd disassemble the parts truck and put the parts in boxes and label them... That way I could easily have someone go pick up whatever I needed and ship it to me... A trip that far outside the US and I would go for a different truck though...

The Swiss

08-17-2009, 12:45 AM

That's what I get for not reading the entire thread ...Don't worry; this happens to most of us ever now and then ... ;)

roscoFJ73

08-24-2009, 02:28 PM

I would take a stock 80 series ,preferably a FZJ80,add a bullbar,roofrack and spare tyre carrier.
Tyres to suit the terrain and availabilty.
Throw in the fridge and camping gear and be gone in the morning.

Things I would NOT be taking would be a huge lift,modified diffs,rows of spotlights,anything bigger than 33in tyres.
It is after all going to be a road trip with side tours that may involve sensible wheeling.
Its foolhardy to do serious offroad work when a long way from home so you dont really need it
Keeping the weight down is being kind to your truck.

VicHanson

08-25-2009, 04:10 AM

My $10,000 semi-expo rig was an Izusu NPR (only 2 wheel drive) for $5000 and build a camper on the back for another $5000. I have spend a couple of weeks planning and searching for parts and materials via the Internet and I am currently at over $18,000 and haven't gotten to all the 'little' things yet! Can't believe the price of plywood these days, and I need about 50 sheets of 3/8" (21' cab over)!

I decided to allow up to $8000 for the truck to get a newer model or lower miles, so that was part of it. And the electric power and stuff adds up real quick, I'm at about $3500 now for 240 W of solar panels, 400 W wind generator, 400 AH of deep cycle batteries, inverter, charger, controls, etc. (with a small gas generator for backup). I plan on living in it full time, totally self contained for extended back country use, so not counting on any access to the electric power grid. This will be for North American use only, or maybe into Mexico/Central America.

Starting to think I should get a $3000 - $5000 trailer and mount that on the back! Or buying a wrecked one to get the parts out of it. But that still doesn't get me the electric power.

Vic

AmityFJ

08-26-2009, 06:31 PM

I think my old 4cyl 95 Tacoma would of been a great vehicle to start off with.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/gerygarcia/tacoma3.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/gerygarcia/tacoma1.jpg

I bought her for 5K and sold her for 5K and I regret doing so.

With a small lift and all terrains, communication/nav gear, minimal armor, winch and maybe a fridge you would be good to go. Less is more. Probably cost 10K after all said and done. If I was planning to go down to Central/South America, I would try and keep a low profile (blend in with the local transportation) and I think Toyota pickups would fit the bill.

strange

08-28-2009, 01:26 AM

hmm ill give her a stab, what im currently doing
its main purpose is daily driver so,
really clean 95 bronco -$5,000
had 33s
junkyard lift+new springs -$200
sell stock 5.0 and auto +$500
Cummins 4bt and ZF5 -$2600
random manual swap parts -$100
lights and electronics (cb) -$300
metal for bumpers and sliders -$200
got my norcold used for -$150
still need winch -$300-500

im sure im forgetting somthing but total of $8,400

and its a fullsize 4x4 rig with a well over 700 mile range per tank
since its my daily driver i spent some money on a nice one, but you get an older not as nice one for like 1500.
so split the difference and your around $5k

Metcalf

08-28-2009, 02:54 PM

That would mean I would get to spend about 11-12K more on my Dodge :)

I didn't think I would ever like a Dodge truck this much, but its hard to beat a truck that comes with a Cummins, granny 5spd, all gear np205 transfer case, Dana 70 rear with a powr-lok, and a dana 60 front all from the factory. Sure, I could change a lot of things for a stronger and more powerful truck, but what do you really need anyways.

To meet the requirements for this little exercise I would....

-Change around the rear storage/sleeping system to use two cots that rolled up against the sides when not in use and allow easy access to the gear stored below. I would use cheap plastic storage containers from walmart with a decent tie down system. This would keep everything in the back pretty organized without costing a fortune.

-Build front and rear bumpers. Something simple, clean and fairly light.

-I would buy an affordable winch, something like a xrc10 smitybilt and install it on a multi-mount system to pull on the front or back. More importantly the winch could be stored in the back locked to the floor and hidden out of sight.

-Do some body work and paint the truck so I don't look like a midnight drug runner. Some Rustoleum would be fine as long as it was one color and reasonably smooth

-I would rip out the front seats and replace them with something comfortable. Some lower end suspension style seats would be more than enough.

-I would also mount a small fridge between the two front seats to act like a center console and provide icy cool beverages and some cold food storage.

I am sure I could think of more....but I would feel comfortable taking the truck on a trip like that generally like it is.

Start strong, build light, and keep it simple.

Viggen

04-05-2010, 04:24 PM

This is a great thread. I would say a diesel 60 but that would eat about half the budget for a rusty example here in the states.

First Gen Isuzu Trooper- $1500-$2000 all day on CL
Acme Adapters TDi Conversion kit- $1000
Toyota 5 Speed with transfer case- $500- $650
Used TDi with computer- $2000- $3000
TDi programming- ~$500
Small lift- <$1000
33x9.50s- <$900
Random diesel conversion bits- <$500

Left over money would go towards the other things needed to get out there. The TDi can make in upwards of 165-180 hp and torque numbers in the mid 300s on stock internals and still return better than gasser mpg. A chip puts hp and tq numbers around the same as its stock gas numbers. Wont be a flex monster or anything but they are really stout trucks.

My other build would involve a First Gen 4 Runner and a FlipPac for a midsize quadcab pickup like a Tacoma or something. Figure out some way to enclose the cab using the original hardtop. Same drivetrain as above.

Purple People Eater

04-05-2010, 04:53 PM

2001 Jeep Cherokee- $6,500
Rear bumper/tire carrier/fuel carrier- $1,100
Used ARB Bullbar- $350
8,000 lb winch- $500
Lighting- $250
Deep cycle battery- $250
Fridge-$500
Full OME suspension- $1,500
5 245/75R16 tires on OEM wheels- $625
Roof top tent- $800
------------------------------------------------
$12,375

Plenty of room for odds and ends like Communications, Navigation, organization and a medicine kit.

cocco78

04-06-2010, 12:55 AM

I didn't read all of this but I'll give it a go here. I don't really know prices on all that fancy expo related gear but I think I have about 3 choices on rigs.

1. 1996-99 Jeep XJ sport, 4 door, 4.0L, 5 speed. 2000-01 had head cracking issues. I'd do a 3" rubicon express lift, 31" tires, and an aussie locker in the rear. Skip the the factory axles and go find a ford 8.8, keep the D30 front but bring an extra set of unit bearings. I would consider gearing to 4.10's. I would say $5000 for a real nice used XJ and maybe $3000 in upgrades. XJ's are all around the world so you should be able to find parts if need be.

2. 1992-95 Ford Bronco, 5.0L, no lift, 33" tires, aussie locker in the rear, some upgraded shocks... Yep thats about it. They are cavernous inside, the ride nicely thanks to the TTB front end and coil springs, and the drivetrain is pretty stout. Probably more limited on finding parts outside the US, and the newest one is 14 years old now. Keep some U-joints with you, a spare set of Warn hubs just in case, but if you keep the front open you should be set.

3. Oh maybe some sort of crew cab tacoma would be cool. I had a 2001 taco, reg cab, short bed, 4 cyl, 5 speed, 4x4 and thought it was a great little truck, seemed very durable but lacking room.

KLAKEBRONCO

04-06-2010, 03:35 PM

15k isn't what I would consider cheap. Especially for the DIY type willing to fab things on their own.

I would start with a CHEAP vehicle. It's better to buy something as cheap as possible and replace everything than buy much more expensive and STILL need to replace everything or have parts with much more use if not replaced.

$1000 Bronco.
Rebuilt E40D $800 (by my brother in law-Ford tech)
$2,00 Rebuilt 302, including new water pmp, alt, starter

$450 Rebuilt rear 8.8 w/used aussie locker, free open carrier, forum sourced install kit, and used 4.56 gears. including H/D diff cover and fluids (do the work myself)

$550-600 Rebuilt front Dana 44 TTB with Dana 50 stub shaft (used-forum sourced) spicer joints, timken bearings mile marker premium hubs, 4.56's (used-forum sourced) forum sourced install kit and open 3.92 and up carrier.

$400 Rebuilt steering-rebuilt box, F350 2WD crew cab linkage, all new tie rod ends

$500 forum sourced and like new 35X12.5X18's with 18x9.5 wheels. Hankook MTO3's

$100 Trim fenders and tube/flat flares like on jeeps.

$300 Rear bumper with tire carrier, high lift and mount, built in ladder, DANA 44 spindle and hub for hinge, jerry can mounts with seperate swing out....

$350 custom front winch mount and shackles using stock bumper including harbor freight winch.

$100 Roof rack. Donated steel from atv crate, and sourced brackets.

This adds up to a grand total of

$6,550

This is my plan, and things that I have sourced already, or know that I can (for instance already discussed the trans rebuild with my brother in law)

On top of that price I would add some nice stock-ish height Deaver springs, front replacements from Napa, and some non reservoir Bilstein 7100's.
Maybe another $700

For my use I would add a roof top tent, on board shower system, and a fridge....

EASILY well below the 15k limit for a basically NEW vehicle.

lamontagne

04-06-2010, 08:41 PM

11 pages and not one mention of Suburban!

'85-'91 model, can be found for under $2500 (rust free here in the desert) till the cows come home.

PLENTY of room for two. No trailer or rooftop tend needed. Remove rear seats and let your imagination run wild!

It would need a full tune-up and all new suspention, but I would keep it stock height and cut the fenders to run 35's and buy the best shocks I could afford. Add a second fuel tank from Blazer at a junk yard for a 600+ range and hit the road!

I estimate this could be done for as little as $8000.

SWbySWesty

04-06-2010, 10:28 PM

Just to be naughty:

I'd drive my Jeep XJ to South America right now...

BUT: I'd love a pickup, four wheel camper, and a few knick knacks and you've got a $15K expo vehicle that'll go anywhere...

CA-RJ

04-07-2010, 02:37 AM

$500 forum sourced and like new 35X12.5X18's with 18x9.5 wheels. Hankook MTO3's

You'd have a hell of a time finding a replacement 18" tire if you were to blow one out. Heck, you'd have a hard time getting one at most tire shops here in the US, good luck outside of the US.

Why 18" anyway?

alexfm

04-07-2010, 03:06 AM

For that price, I'd go with either a late 80's or early 90's model Suburban. Diesel swap, small lift, 35's. Take out the rear seats, add a whole bunch of electronic gizmos. :) Sounds great to me. That, Or I'd throw all 15k into my XJ. Then I'd go with a 2.5in, maybe 3in lift, 31's, ARB Air Lockers front and rear, Rear Tire Carrier, StumpXJ-esque roof rack/RTT thingy, some lights, an ARB front bumper, and a nice winch, Im thinking a new Warn Powerplant just for the cool factor. Oh, and the requisite Safari Snorkel and dual battery set up. I figure I could source all that for about $15,000. :) Oh, and an Engel 45qt. :snorkel:

lowenbrau

04-07-2010, 03:41 AM

I'd use a bit less shiny one.
http://images.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/pix/medium/2939780.jpg

KLAKEBRONCO

04-08-2010, 01:40 PM

You'd have a hell of a time finding a replacement 18" tire if you were to blow one out. Heck, you'd have a hard time getting one at most tire shops here in the US, good luck outside of the US.

Why 18" anyway?

Lots of places sell those tires. They are however expensive.

I tossed the idea around in my head awhile if I really wanted to go this route.....Ignoring costs, I like this way because I stepped up from a 31 to a 35" tire, and only gained 1" of sidewall. Which is fine by me. This will help maintain decent highway handling.

On top of that I got the tires and wheels together for $500 and the tires are like new.

The 18" 35's have less tire than a 15" 35. So they are lighter. Wheels are of course heavier. Comparing these to stock, I'm probably only gaining 10lbs per wheel. The tires are 20lbs heavier than a 31, but the aluminum wheels are probably 10lbs lighter than my stock steel wheels.

More clearance, more traction, not much more weight, and good highway manners.

The downside is when these tires wear out they will be expensive to replace.....I was going to sell them and go with 15's because of that but the wife was on board despite the future costs so :wings:

evldave

04-08-2010, 06:01 PM

Outback

06-18-2010, 04:17 PM

Part 1

I know this is an "old" question but it is an excellent one! I too have been researching what the best bang for your buck expedition rig would be. For what most of us do (U.S. Members) I would believe that the off road capabilities would not have to be very extreme. In fact even our Overland brothers in other countries would most likely see pretty easy to moderate trails. I am always amazed to see some of these expedition rigs so decked out that it even comes to hamper them on trails. I.E. roof racks with 10 jerry cans full of fuel and a roof top mounted tent. All this on a Series III platform! That thing must have been tippy as hell on the parking lot let alone on some mountain side hill! No thanks! Sure they look cool as hell but what do you really need in the off road capability department? I have been on several Mojave runs (alone and with groups). Only one of those runs required a yank (I believe Scott Brady did the yanking) of a fellow members rig. Other than that most of the run could have been done in 2wd. In fact my first run on the Mojave trail was done in my stock Jeep Sahara years ago all in 2wd. Around here in Nevada you can travel almost all two track roads in 2wd and explore almost all of Nevadas Outback that way! Moutain passes ect do require 4wd for safety reason. Of course 4wd capability is a must for any serious Expedition use. I also wouldnt go out in the Outback in anything but a "well" equipped 4x4. But for most of us a good well maintained 4x4 is all some of us will ever need. Yes we all want to be that guy or Gal who has "THE" expedition rig. Who wouldnt! But 99% of the time its really not needed.

Ok down to the nitty gritty. For me as I said I have been researching just such an "economy" expedition rig. The only exception is I need it for 2 adults and 2 children ages 6 and 9. After all my looking around at exotic (anything not normally available in the U.S) and domestic the choice was pretty clear to me. I wont be going over seas on any expeditions with my family. While some Toyotas like the series 80s ect are very cool I just dont need anything like that. Hell I even checked out a Volvo C306 and a very used C304. On road driving is out the window for anything long distance and while they are very capable off road, and I mean VERY CAPABLE they just are not practicle especially when I need to hit the highway for hours and even days at a time. Parts availability for most of these "exotic" rigs is a joke for the most part. Even the beloved Toyotas can fall into this catagory. Land Rover in my opinion really screwed the pooch on this as well. A few years ago Land Rover stopped its parts program for the older Series rigs at the Land Rover dealers. Now you have to go through I believe Caterpillar to get the older parts. There are several excellent part sources online like Rovers West ect. But still not practical when your stuck in some little town (Like ELY Nevada) with a broken part! I live in Ely so dont say Im bashing it. Also there is a HUGE misconception that Toyotas and the like are so much more reliable than anything U.S. Made. Now thats laughable! While they make a great vehicle (Toyota) They sure as hell break as much as anything U.S. Made! OK so maybe they are better than the "latest" crop of vehicle coming out of the Government Motors Company (GMC). Man I can hear the moans and groans about those last two comments! (my last two work trucks have been Chevy 3/4 and 1 ton Duramax 4x4 trucks. Trust me you dont want one.)

Outback

06-18-2010, 04:32 PM

Part 2

For me the obvious decision was something from the domestic market. I preffer the older style vehicles without all the "electronics" and stout running gear. I chose a mid 80s Suburban for my families "Expedition" rig. Specifically the 3/4 ton 4x4 Diesel. The older 6.2 diesel was an excellent very reliable diesel engine. Yes she was under powered but has excellent fuel economy 18 to 20 mpg in stock form and will last as long as 400K if taken care of. These Subs came with Corporate 10 bolt front axles and 12 bolt rears. Np 208 transfer cases and a Turbo 400. Again all pretty stout gear. The 10 bolts are as strong as Dana 44s and the rear 12s are even stronger. If you stay with 35" tires or less I doubt you would ever have any problems. With a Banks Sidewinder Turbo installed you will have one great performing engine and better fuel economy. My brother was getting a real world 22MPG on the highway with his after the install of the Banks kit and it out performed his later model 6.5 turbo Suburban with out the "weak" cylinder issue the 6.5 had! When I was driving it around in Ca for a week I was getting 24 MPG on the highway cruising at 55MPH. Thats several tanks worth of milage testing taking my dad to and from the VA hospital. Of course he had stock size ATs on it (235 85r 16s?) and was stock height. My brother sold his "Old" suburban with over 300K of miles on it. He rebuilt his Turbo 400 at least once that I know of. Not bad for a Big heavy rig if you ask me. To this day he kicks himself for selling her. I kick myself for not buying her!

Outback

06-18-2010, 04:42 PM

Part 3

There are several people on here who have the "BIG" Suburbans. Most have the 350 gas V8s in them. They have been proven to be very capable in the off road department and can be built pretty easily with tons of Off Road after market goodies. I like the diesels better since they get almost twice the fuel economy as there Gas brothers. Yes they have there weak points (what vehicle doesnt) but overall they make an excellent platform for an expedition rig! On tight trails one could always go with a 6.2 diesel 4x4 blazer for 2 adults. These can be found pretty cheap as well. For me the Full size Suburban can fit my family of four and also carry all of the supplies including the kitchen sink! Another benefit of the 6.2 diesel is you can covert it to burn Veggie oil! Thats pretty much free fuel and its great on the environment to boot not to mention your wallet. For me this will be my next Full size expedition rig build.

wilson

07-11-2010, 11:16 PM

just met some guys in honduras doing it in a 79 ford van. now thats cheap

pskhaat

07-11-2010, 11:45 PM

I've never seen an engine swap (unless grossly similar like a Toyota 2F block under a 3F-E head) I'd want to drive around the world, much less outside my own country. Anyone else?

Toyotero

07-12-2010, 12:23 AM

Part 1
Also there is a HUGE misconception that Toyotas and the like are so much more reliable than anything U.S. Made. Now thats laughable! While they make a great vehicle (Toyota) They sure as hell break as much as anything U.S. Made! OK so maybe they are better than the "latest" crop of vehicle coming out of the Government Motors Company (GMC). Man I can hear the moans and groans about those last two comments! (my last two work trucks have been Chevy 3/4 and 1 ton Duramax 4x4 trucks. Trust me you dont want one.)

I think that statement is true for vehicles made in the last 20 years. In the 1970s and 80s, it was a different story. Toyota forced the American companies to improve quality if they wanted to compete... and even helped in the case of the NUMMI Toyota+GM collaboration.

I think an old Hilux or 4Runner would be a solid and cheap platform to start with. I've seen a lot of 20R/22R/22R-E powered ones in Latin America (except Mexico) so parts shouldn't be too scarce to source locally, at least from a local Toyota dealer.

With that said, I once waited for a week in a little town called Bluff in Utah for a waterpump for a 20R engine. I bet that it could be double that somewhere like Nicragua.

Nice ones can be found for ~ $3-4000. Example 1 (http://www.yotatech.com/f108/1990-toyota-pickup-deluxe-xtra-215898/), 2 (http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/1832846158.html)

Spend another $6k on new parts (alt, starter, plugs, wires, all fluids, 5 tires, bumpers, lights, etc) and you'd be pretty set for $10K

I think that a rig like this is almost exactly like what I'm thinking.
http://www.ramblewriter.com/buythetruck.htm

It wouldn't be the cushiest ride, but it would be a great budget Expo rig.

JayGannon

07-13-2010, 09:55 PM

Here's roughly what I would/am doing:
Europe based but giving all these in dollars so some things cheaper some more expensive.

1999 Nissan Patrol GU 4.2TD : 3000

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1419349

Service, Tires and Cleanup : 1500
Wood, Runners and Carpet for rear sleeping on drawer platform : 300
Nav + Comms Equipment : 1000
Warn Winch with Synth Line 2nd Hand : 1000
Fridge + Food Storage Containers: 1000
Awning : 500
Aux Water Tank : 500
Stove, Cooking and cutlery, Gravity shower: 500
Full Length Roof Rack: 1000
Storage: Zarges Cases etc : 1000

Thats about 11k dollars for something that was well kitted out I think. Leaves 4k of wiggle room for parts and unforseen expenses when building.

Photomike

07-13-2010, 10:37 PM

I have been reading this thread for a while, some good ideas.

I do have to laugh because back in the 70's my dad bought a Ford Pinto wagon ~ brand new :wings:. That car went places that many trucks could not go, we slept in the back if the weather was bad and in a tent if it was nice. Roof rack for the extra gear. We would go places in northern Ontario and pass vehicles that were stuck in the snow and mud. In western Canada that car made it to the top of a number of fire tower roads and down many cattle trails in the foothills and in BC we would take it up and down logging roads. With all the bad things about Pinto's this thing ran and ran. One trip the gear shift rattled loose and came out so we needed to use a screw driver to shift (standard), on one trip in northern Ontario we pulled the fuel gauge wire off on a 4x4 road that we high centered on and the car kept running and running.

With all that being said an expedition vehicle is ANY vehicle that works for you. I had a 1991 Toyota Tercel that would go any place I pointed it, in any weather. I loved that car and would still have it today if the drunk that ran the stop sign would have seen us.

Keep up the great ideas on this thread, but remember the best expedition vehicle is the one that you have and can afford.

Back to reading for some more ideas :coffee: :coffee:

ratkin

07-18-2010, 10:03 PM

11 pages and not one mention of Suburban!

'85-'91 model . . . Add a second fuel tank from Blazer at a junk yard for a 600+ range and hit the road!

Where would this second tank mount? I've already got the 40 gallon stock tank in the rear between the frame-rails on my '90 Suburban.

ratkin

07-18-2010, 10:08 PM

pskhaat

07-18-2010, 10:41 PM

I once waited for a week in a little town called Bluff in Utah for a waterpump for a 20R engine

Cool little place with so much potential...

gchinsr

08-07-2010, 11:03 AM

Hello Scott
This is my first posting, and hello all. This question is totally inline with my newest purchase. One difference, sleep in. Timing not being optimal for domestic vehicle, I now have a 1985 2dr 110 Hi Top Ambulance coming from South Hampton, for less than a decent 80 series LC. Finding the very best base vehicle, was the top priority with a limited budget. HD everything, rebuilt engine and trans, maintained regardless of cost, and complete history. There will be no roof rack, due to storage capabilities at frame level on LR wagons. Hi Top roof provides a drop down bed, so no worries with high winds, or heavy rains, and a low COG to boot. A simple PVC coated plywood interior. Just need to add solar panel to roof, water filtration with shower hook up, fridge, and fit Porta Potti, to complete living area. Your parameters, means a good winch will be needed, and new rear carrier also added. Having a head start with vehicle being in top shape, and I have a bit of $ leeway to add a few goodies, to make the trip more comfortable. IMHO
Greg Sr

18seeds

04-08-2011, 05:41 PM

TTT... Now that this thread is a few years old what would your ideas be NOW?

SWbySWesty

04-08-2011, 06:01 PM

considering that many routes can be done on established roads, I'd buy my Westy, load up my camp gear. Sell my belongings to recoup my costs and start with all my $15k to put towards gas. hehehe Ask me when I have my next vehicle (if)

Cards81fan

04-08-2011, 08:41 PM

Also there is a HUGE misconception that Toyotas and the like are so much more reliable than anything U.S. Made. Now thats laughable! While they make a great vehicle (Toyota) They sure as hell break as much as anything U.S. Made! OK so maybe they are better than the "latest" crop of vehicle coming out of the Government Motors Company (GMC). Man I can hear the moans and groans about those last two comments! (my last two work trucks have been Chevy 3/4 and 1 ton Duramax 4x4 trucks. Trust me you dont want one.)

I owned a Ford and now drive Mopar. I agree the gaps in reliability have narrowed.

But if traveling to the southernmost tip of the Americas, I would take a Toyota if for no other reason than parts availability. IMHO of course. Probably a 80 series but maybe a 100. I know they are EFI which is more uncommon, but at least the parts network is better supported for this marque above others.

Mike S

04-10-2011, 01:10 AM

Most people who make similar trips just buy an FJ60, do some engine baseline work, put tires and suspension on it, add an RTT, HL jack, fridge, storage boxes, etc. and drive. Less than $15K - easy.

Squatchout

04-11-2011, 05:36 PM

I've already built it! When do we leave?
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/squatchout/GWNF%20spring%202011/Picture001Small.jpg
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http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/squatchout/December%20snowstorm%2009/blizzard/Picture256Small.jpg
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One overland expedition vehicle=simple, frugal on fuel, reliable, easy to repair, room for the gear, Ability to travel in bad conditions/weather.

She only has 113k original miles. She's been completely rebuilt from the frame up. All lines and rubber hoses replaced. OME suspension, Big late model brakes, extended vent lines, and tons of other little details covered. Still have $5k or so left over to do a LITTLE outfitting for South America. Like put my ramsey winch on the front. If I went luxo and pulled the M416 I might add one of compact campings Moab tents. Trade the cooler for a fridge. A couple of fuel and water juggs in the trailer.

There are some great ideas here. I love the premise of this thread. Do it cheap and make it happen. Way too many people get caught up in the gear. What do you really need? Reliable transportation for rough roads. A warm place to sleep out of the rain. A way to carry and cook food. some spare clothes. That's it. Travel in general is much more about what you keep between your ears than it is about what you are driving or the equipt yoou carry.

My '88 Trooper original build.
http://forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?t=12172

Current project thread.
http://forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?t=43909&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0