Overland Journal: G-Wagen

[Scott Brady]

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/G-Class/g-360_pan.jpg

Introducing the newest member of the Expeditions West fleet, the Gelandewagen.

This will be Stephanie's driver, and a mild project for Expeditions West. Overall, the G-Class needs very little for most exploration, so we will mostly focus on basic systems like HAM radio, storage for spares, tools and recovery equipment, etc. The truck also needs new paint and to address two small areas of corrosion (it was a Northeast truck for the first half-of its life), so we might take the opportunity to paint it a lighter color. The prior owner is a friend, and he completed many of the basic travel modifications, including fridge, compressor, winch, etc. This truck has already been on several impressive expeditions, including the extreme Northeast to Labrador and Newfoundland.

This is a Europa imported G-Class, and has a 3.6L straight six and the factory trio of differential locks. These early Europa Gs are preferable to the newer trucks (for me) for several reasons, including system simplicity, the extremely reliable 6-cyl and legendary Mercedes build quality during the mid and late 90s.

We are excited to celebrate the 30 year anniversary of the G-Class with one of our own.

[mountainpete]

Congrats! I have always lusted after the G-wags. Looking forward seeing the build!

[BKCowGod]

:drool: I will be watching this with interest. I have always wanted an early 3 door. In apple green. With the orange plaid interior.

[Rallyroo]

I caught the hint early on, and now the news and pics of the project G-Wagon appears. :sombrero:

[HMR]

Awesome!!!

I'm typing this from downtown Aspen where there's a G-Wagen on every street. Temps are below freezing and it's embarrassing walking around with frozen drool on my chin. :drool:

Note to self: Don't lick the G-Wagen!

[Redline]

Nice.

What year is it?

[justfred]

Sounds great! Wondering how you got it legal - maybe because of the new ones.

It always makes me sad when I see one of them drive by, because they inevitably are shiny paint, chrome plated, not a ding or dent to be seen, spotlessly clean, and will probably never go off pavement (at least for the next 10 years or so till some of us can afford to buy them used!).

[Scott Brady]

It is a 1996. Europa went through all of the work to certify these cars, and bring them up to compliance with DOT.

The G-Class had several iterations, and this one is a 463 platform, which includes (on my year) ABS and Airbag. Most importantly, it has the three magic buttons for center / rear / front differential locks. The newest Gs are G500s, and while the exterior is practically identical, the 500 interior is even more upscale (though my 463 does have leather, heated seats, and a myriad of other options).

This trucks exudes Mercedes quality, and feels like a tank, and should last another 10-15 years for us without major issue. The prior owner just replaced the engine, transmission and transfer case for good measure, upgrading the 3.2 six to the 3.6 six, including a few Braubus goodies ;)

[Ron B]

I've always loved the g-wagon -- very nice truck! Looking forward to seeing it in action and what mods you'll add.

ron b

[xtfritz]

Nice rig Scott. Should be interesting on the build-up since its just not too common around the US. Congrats on the find :)

[Tree]

Nice rig! You should take a picture of all your sweet rides! :victory:

[heeltoe989]

Very cool!

Always loved the G series! :drool:

[grahamfitter]

Very nice. Black: its the new white ;)

Cheers,
Graham

[DaveInDenver]

Das ist ein sehr schönes Wagen!

So I think I'm added it up correctly, Mercedes Gelandewagen + LR Discovery + Earthroamer XV-JP = our little 1920 bugalow. You are living the dream my friend, sweet rides indeed. :-)

[IH8RDS]

Very nice. Black: its the new white ;)

Cheers,
Graham

Great. Now everyone will be getting black vehicles. :sombrero:

I'm holding out till he buys something RED!

Looks like a nice edition to your stable Scott. :victory:

[toyrunner95]

I just saw a 2dr version of that at Home Depot.


In about 2 weeks guys, you all watch, he will end up with the RV from Jurassic Park. He will take it to baja and save whales or something.

And i second the pics of the "fleet"


P.S. why dont you buy a shop with a couple lifts so Overland Journal can start doing build ups.

[Michael Slade]

Glad to see you made it home safely. Sorry we couldn't meet.

Oh yeah, nice ride 'G'. :D

[Scott Brady]

P.S. why dont you buy a shop with a couple lifts so Overland Journal can start doing build ups.

This is very true, and in the works. By summer we will be in an office/shop. It is just time.

[jim65wagon]

Great. Now everyone will be getting black vehicles. :sombrero:

You make it sound like it's a bad thing!

Love the G-Wagen! They look BAD! Especially in black!

[Scott Brady]

This one is actually a dark navy blue, and varies between blue and black, depending on the light. We will probably paint it a cream white, or silver. Whichever Stephanie prefers.

[bigreen505]

Very nice! Is this about the same size with regard to cargo space as a Disco? Every time I see one they always seem small next to the Trooper.

[Scott Brady]

The G is similar in storage volume to the Trooper, with the square box and big rear door. The wheelbase is 112 inches, a full foot longer than the Discovery.

[DaveInDenver]

The G is similar in storage volume to the Trooper, with the square box and big rear door. The wheelbase is 112 inches, a full foot longer than the Discovery.
So what's the story on these? Are they IFS, live axle, diesel? I've heard of them, just never seen one up close. What are you planning, ARB bumper, etc.?

[flyingwil]

Nice! Looks like it came with some goodies on it already. So far to your knowledge what has been done to it?

[HMR]

The prior owner just replaced the engine, transmission and transfer case for good measure, upgrading the 3.2 six to the 3.6 six, including a few Braubus goodies ;)How many miles did he/she get out of the original motor/trans/transfer case?

PS- Just got back from looking at some more G-Wagens... :drool:

[Storz]

Very nice, love the G-class!

[4Rescue]

WHOA!!! I read all of those other posts but I had no idea you were actualy going to pull the trigger on yet ANOTHER sweet if not somewhat obscure (in N. AMerica) rig. I can't wait to see what you do to this thing. I have hopes it's like the Green "military-ish" one I posted in the old GWagen thread. Sweet truck and congrats on the new family member ;)

I for one can't wait to hear your impressions of this thing. You have pretty much owned MOST of the best platforms available in my eyes so, to me, you make a good vehicle tester. I personaly think that form the spec sheets, aside form engines, this thing is the closest to a Toyota HZJ78. They even kind of look like one another eh.


The G is similar in storage volume to the Trooper, with the square box and big rear door... That's great, I LOVED our old 1st Gen Trooper (well except for the 2.8GM V6) espescialy for it's cargo load capacity. The thing really was huge inside, and I loved the ambulance doors as well. If the G-Wagen is that big thats awesome (and it is since you have now confirmed it ;) ) And I take it from your post it also has the ambulance doors like Toopers/70ser Troupy's etc, While I love having a tail-gate sometimes, I really liked having those doors on both our Troupy's in OZ and the Troopers I grew up driving. Certainly there can be some downsides sometimes but in general I liked them alot.

Cheers

Dave

[haven]

Gwagen.com is the web site for Europa International, the Santa Fe NM company that used to be sole importer for the Gelandewagen. They have a diesel-powered G-Wagen with custom ExPo camper for sale on their web site here
http://www.gwagen.com/search.php

There's no price listed. I suspect it's in the "if you have to ask you can't afford it" category.

Chip Haven

[jim65wagon]

Very nice. Black: its the new white ;)


This one is actually a dark navy blue, and varies between blue and black, depending on the light. We will probably paint it a cream white, or silver. Whichever Stephanie prefers.

Curses! Foiled Again!

[Willman]

Nice Scott!

You still looking for an 85' Toyota P/U and an 80 series as well????

:drool:

[adventureduo]

Very Cool! Congrats on a sweet ride Stephanie!

[pismo62]

Congratulations, I been eyeing the G-wagon for the last year.

I'd love to hear the pro and cons of the vehicle after some use.

[haven]

A recent eBay auction for a 1995 Gelandewagen ended without a sale. The vehicle has a 3.2L 6 cylinder gas engine, 5 speed auto trans and 95K miles. It was imported to USA by Europa International. Buy it Now price was $25K

http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z241/expeditioncampers/95-gwagen.jpg

Check out the original ad for lots of information and photos

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-G-Class-G320-Classic-1995-Mercedes-G320-Gelaendewagen_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ220341462622Q QsspagenameZRSSQ3aBQ3aSRCHQ3aUSQ3a101

[haven]

This current eBay auction does a good job of illustrating the first generation of Gelandewagen, before the leather seats and climate control were added.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1984-280GE-GELANDEWAGEN_W0QQitemZ270332512858QQddnZCarsQ20Q26 Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Truc ks?hash=item270332512858&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A-1|39%3A1|240%3A1308

This particular vehicle has lots of surface rust issues. Buy it Now price is $14K.

[Alaska Mike]

Steph just got even cooler in my eyes (if that is even possible). She might have problems breaking this one.

[Scott Brady]

Stephanie just wrote a fun blog on the Overland Journal site:
http://www.overlandjournal.com/blog/

[toyrunner95]

This is very true, and in the works. By summer we will be in an office/shop. It is just time.




YOU HAVE A SHOP TOO!!!:drool:
waaaaaaaa why cant i be as cool as you?

so lets see a pic of the flee already!

[ujoint]

Stephanie just wrote a fun blog on the Overland Journal site:
http://www.overlandjournal.com/blog/

So THAT's why the new ride came so quick!!! :)

[articulate]

So, how do you pronounce GELANDEWAGEN? :)

[Redline]

That is a very fun blog. I had to send the link to my wife. There were too many similarities about being enamored with my vehicles, etc :)


Stephanie just wrote a fun blog on the Overland Journal site:
http://www.overlandjournal.com/blog/

[Gurkha]

So what's the story on these? Are they IFS, live axle, diesel? I've heard of them, just never seen one up close. What are you planning, ARB bumper, etc.?

Live with CV joints on both ends. They are available in both diesel and gas and come with diff locks for front and rear.

[michaelgroves]

So, how do you pronounce GELANDEWAGEN? :)

Geländewagen is pronounced Gelen'dah-vahgen. Or G-class Merc. Or G-wagon. You can see why! :)

[Green96D1]

Wow that's a nice G-wagon I always loved them.

You have some sweet Rides

Expo'd Land Rover and now G-wagen man I'm jealous:sombrero::victory:

[Doin_It]

Go over to this link to hear how to pronounce G-wagon and see it in action.

www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22885

[Doin_It]

In White

[Redline]

Nice but those wheels/tires have to go :)


In White

[HMR]

How many miles did he/she get out of the original motor/trans/transfer case?

Bump.

[datrupr]

Now how cool would this be?


http://www.gwagen.com/carimages/33_1823315502_left%20ft%20ext%20222pix.jpg

currently for sale at Europa.

[Streakerfreak]

Just caught up with this thread. Nice choice Scott. I have always had an interest in these, even though I cringe when I see them drive by here in the states all shined up on the way to pick up the kids.

[VermontOverland]

:drool: I will be watching this with interest. I have always wanted an early 3 door. In apple green. With the orange plaid interior.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___MERCEDES-280GE-CABRIO-CONVERTIBLE_W0QQitemZ140297511659QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q 20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Truck s?hash=item140297511659&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308

[I Leak Oil]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___MERCEDES-280GE-CABRIO-CONVERTIBLE_W0QQitemZ140297511659QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q 20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Truck s?hash=item140297511659&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308

That's either one pimpn' stereo system in the back or on HUGE catalytic heater!
Jason T.

[Nonimouse]

Scott

I have a couple of friends over here who break G wagons - one who lives in my village. If you have a need for any 'difficult to get bits' that can fit in hand luggage, let me know via PM. My eldest's Godfather is on the eastern seaboard every month and can UPS from his worksites. Same goes for Land Rover stuff.

I have a strong idea of just how much you guys end up paying for MB and LR stuff and despite the pound taking a dive against the dollar it can still cost and arm and a leg.

[jcbrandon]

That's either one pimpn' stereo system in the back or on HUGE catalytic heater!
Jason T.

Pimpin' stereo. Check the speakers in the doors.

[4x4abc]

.... I cringe when I see them drive by here in the states all shined up on the way to pick up the kids.

Phil,

you should applaud every 4x4 cruising the mall or helping to pick up the kids - the less people with 4x4 leave pavement, the less we have to worry about protection of nature. Besides, I love when its quiet out there.

Saludos

[SOAZ]

So, how do you pronounce GELANDEWAGEN? :)

I always thought that it was G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, GELANDEWAGEN!!! :victory:

Love these trucks. There is a nice little fleet of them sitting on the camp Pendelton base in San Clemente. They are a pretty cool variant. A G wagen full length chassis with a cab and bed. The bed has a cloth soft topper on it.
Basically a troop carrier G-wagen for the RAF being stored on US soil.

[4x4abc]

Tim,

the vehicles you saw in Pendleton were delivered 1999 and are in constant use by the marines. http://advancedvehiclesystems.com/military.htm

http://www.rubicon-trail.com/public/IFAVh.jpg

Canadian army uses the lwb hart top version.http://www.rubicon-trail.com/public/ISAF.jpg

[Jacket]

Stephanie just wrote a fun blog on the Overland Journal site:
http://www.overlandjournal.com/blog/

I enjoyed that. Beautiful rig!

[Doin_It]

I like the pic of the Canadian army truck....they're out blowing up the country side, but are worried about any oil drips that may happen. That's us Canadians for you, always so polite, we'll bomb the heck out of you, but we won't leave any oil mess for you to clean up after.

[4Rescue]

I like the pic of the Canadian army truck....they're out blowing up the country side, but are worried about any oil drips that may happen. That's us Canadians for you, always so polite, we'll bomb the heck out of you, but we won't leave any oil mess for you to clean up after.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Take off eh. we DID NOT spill that oil.. see here look at this picture.

Cheers

Dave

[t0mills]

Think that catch pan may actually be there so that you can see if you're rig has been leaking anything?

Being parked on gravel, would make it pretty hard to tell if you've got a slow leak of any sort...

Just wondering!

[DoKarider16]

I was able to drive a short wheel base G-Wagen at NW Mogfest this year. It was an automatic and that combined with the dual range transfer case made the G-Wagen amazingly easy to drive. We went through the bigger pit on the obstacle course, I have very little off road experience, and it was so slow and torquey, that Eric the owner could just point and say go there. I could pretty much have both feet flat on the floor and just let it crawl it's way through. I believe most if not all of them come with front and rear lockers as well. Very cool vehicles.

That looks like a gorgeous rig. I can't wait to see what you do with it. It will be sad to see that blue go away though.

the other Craig

[4Rescue]

I was able to drive a short wheel base G-Wagen at NW Mogfest this year. It was an automatic and that combined with the dual range transfer case made the G-Wagen amazingly easy to drive. We went through the bigger pit on the obstacle course, I have very little off road experience, and it was so slow and torquey, that Eric the owner could just point and say go there. I could pretty much have both feet flat on the floor and just let it crawl it's way through. I believe most if not all of them come with front and rear lockers as well. Very cool vehicles.

That looks like a gorgeous rig. I can't wait to see what you do with it. It will be sad to see that blue go away though.

the other Craig
Man I've got to go to that next year. And hello from someone who absolutely LOVES the White slamon area and more specificaly the River and Hussum Falls ;)

Cheers

Dave

Edit: On the Locker question, do out N.American "blinged out" versions still have the F/R Lockers???

[datrupr]

Yes, N.A. Spec "blinged out" G's do have all three lockers. Though I'm sure pretty much all of the soccer mom's ans pro basketball players have no idea, or even care, what those three little switches on the dash do.

[4Rescue]

Yes, N.A. Spec "blinged out" G's do have all three lockers. Though I'm sure pretty much all of the soccer mom's ans pro basketball players have no idea, or even care, what those three little switches on the dash do.
Cool, that's refreshing to hear...

Cheers

Dave

[FourByLand]

Canadian army uses the lwb hart top version.http://www.rubicon-trail.com/public/ISAF.jpg

Those tires are pretty, I see they are Michelin's are they a good tire?

[Gurkha]

Those tires are pretty, I see they are Michelin's are they a good tire?

I had these exact Michelins on my Gurha, 7x16 to be exact. They are good all rounders off road but on road, they are a nightmare if you are doing over 60kmph. They do last long but the Geolandar AT-S I have do great on or off road with far less noise and way better ride.

[gjackson]

Those tires are pretty, I see they are Michelin's are they a good tire?

Those are Michelin XZLs most likely in 760R16. Very good expedition tire, but does wear a bit fast on the road. Tough as nails.

cheers

[Locked up]

Craig, you need to drive it now with the turbo diesel engine in it! You thought it was good a Mogfest, waaay better now!

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp184/vanagon-s/Gwagen/IMG_0486.jpg

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp184/vanagon-s/Gwagen/IMG_0566.jpg

Next comes the Bundeswehr paint job.

[Gurkha]

I see the K&N filter in there, wouldn't that defeat the original intake system via the snorkel? Also instead of fresh air, I would think the engine is getting warmer air from inside the hood area. Nice G otherwise.

[Locked up]

It's a work in progress, Just got the engine in 2 weeks ago. I'm looking for an air box / canister that will work with the snorkel.

[DoKarider16]

That sounds like an invitation. OK, I'll drive it again : )

I can't imagine with the torque of that diesel in there how easy it must be.

Craig

[Gurkha]

It's a work in progress, Just got the engine in 2 weeks ago. I'm looking for an air box / canister that will work with the snorkel.

Look for Sprinter air filter box, should work out.

[JPFreek1]

Scott, any update on this vehicle's performance to date? Andrea and I have looked at a TON of vehicles, including the G, in preparation for kids and much needed space not found in the Wrangler. Curious to hear your take on fuel economy, off-highway prowess, etc. :)

[4Rescue]

It's a work in progress, Just got the engine in 2 weeks ago. I'm looking for an air box / canister that will work with the snorkel.
So does PDX mean you're a fellow Portlander???? If so that's awesome, we need to put together ameet and greet/trail run for those of us in this fine city.

Cheers

Dave

[Locked up]

I'm always ready to go!

Let's put together a trail ride. I'm fairly familar with Tillamook, but I'd really like to try some new trails.

Who's up for a ride on Feb 22? (Sunday)

[dclee]

Scott, any update on this vehicle's performance to date? Andrea and I have looked at a TON of vehicles, including the G, in preparation for kids and much needed space not found in the Wrangler. Curious to hear your take on fuel economy, off-highway prowess, etc. :)

Fuel economy should not be a deciding criteria when considering a G, even the diesels...hehe... :)

[dclee]

It's a work in progress, Just got the engine in 2 weeks ago. I'm looking for an air box / canister that will work with the snorkel.

Beautiful conversion! I'm going to try to use the original airbox when I drop in my 617A, I just really like the design of that box (I also have the military snorkel like yours). I'm hoping to just cut the snout short, flare it, and then use some hi-temp flextube. It's still only a vague concept in my mind, though...

[haven]

"I have looked at a TON of vehicles, including the G, in preparation for kids and much needed space not found in the Wrangler."

The G-Class is slightly smaller inside than the 4-door Wrangler.

[Rob O]

Congrats!

It'll be nice to see a properly outfitted (and used) G-Wagen ... every copy you see here in Chandler is driven by a soccer mom or athlete and rollin' on 24s with high-performance street tires, lots 'o chrome and often slammed. The ultimate mall crawler. Never understood that. :-/

These are fairly representative ... the silver with 24s and the black one with 27s! sigh.

http://theautospa.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/gwagon.jpg

http://www.totalimageautosport.com/photos/SUVs/George%27s%20G%20Wagon%20on%2024s.JPG

[dieselcruiserhead]

Mmm xzl :)

[Gurkha]

Those wheels just look hideous...........

[Superu]

you should applaud every 4x4 cruising the mall or helping to pick up the kids - the less people with 4x4 leave pavement, the less we have to worry about protection of nature. Besides, I love when its quiet out there.

Plus, it helps to create a supply for those of us who prefer to buy used vehicles that haven't been beaten up off road (yet!) :smiley_drive:

And those soccer moms usually had all the maintenance done on schedule by the dealer so we ending up scoring a well maintained lightly used vehicle for pennies on the dollar compared to what the original cost was. I see it as a win-win all around! :ylsmoke:

[Gurkha]

The problem with soccer moms is that they use their vehicles for short haul, that means starting up and shutting down with the engine not even warming up, that creates for lots of short life engine being sold off. The prospective owner has to then face the issue of a lower than expected life expectancy of the engine.

[spressomon]

Fuel economy should not be a deciding criteria when considering a G, even the diesels...hehe... :)


True...but it would be nice to know its range which is related to MPG and tank size.

[pint]

Beautiful new rig Scott. I am jealous! I scanned in a few items I picked up from Europa in the 90's into a new thread. Keep up the great work!

[762X39]

And those soccer moms usually had all the maintenance done on schedule by the dealer

Sadly I have not found this to be the case. Our fleet mechanic's real job is working on customers benzes,bmw's etc.For some reason, these expensive cars are not getting the work done in a timely fashion and as a result, lots of drivetrains are getting ruined .I just hope the soccer mom up the street is treating "my" G500 well so when I get it I don't have to replace the engine and tranny in it.

[Green96D1]

check out my G-wagon:victory:

[Gurkha]

check out my G-wagon:victory:

Love the front sump guard and rear tank guard.

[Powdaze]

Great rig, congrats.

Never mind how ridiculous a 470hp, 5600lb SUV that hits the 60 marker in 5.5s actually is, I still want a G55 AMG. :sombrero:

http://www.babez.de/mercedes/g55amg/mercedes-benz-g-55-amg-kompressor-titel.jpg

[devinsixtyseven]

Now how cool would this be?


http://www.gwagen.com/carimages/33_1823315502_left%20ft%20ext%20222pix.jpg

currently for sale at Europa.

Ah-HA! That is a dead ringer for the vehicle I saw headed in to Boulder, CO a while back...maybe 3-6 weeks ago. At least, it was that same setup.

[Jwestpro]

This one is actually a dark navy blue, and varies between blue and black, depending on the light. We will probably paint it a cream white, or silver. Whichever Stephanie prefers.

My first Discovery I is white and I have always loved the no nonsense/utility of that color, as well as it being so easy to bring back to life after 10 yrs of sun and grime.

[zimm]

Now how cool would this be?


http://www.gwagen.com/carimages/33_1823315502_left%20ft%20ext%20222pix.jpg

currently for sale at Europa.


that g is 85g. stacked against an ER jeep, thats a bargain. MB quality at 60% the price. i could be seen in that with a grin.

[Outback]

Congrats!

It'll be nice to see a properly outfitted (and used) G-Wagen ... every copy you see here in Chandler is driven by a soccer mom or athlete and rollin' on 24s with high-performance street tires, lots 'o chrome and often slammed. The ultimate mall crawler. Never understood that. :-/

These are fairly representative ... the silver with 24s and the black one with 27s! sigh.

http://theautospa.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/gwagon.jpg

http://www.totalimageautosport.com/photos/SUVs/George%27s%20G%20Wagon%20on%2024s.JPG




24"s? :Wow1::(:yikes::eek: Unbelievable!

[BlueBomber]

Man, they must be broke. Their rims dont even spin! YOU GOTTA HAVE DA SPINNAHS!!!!!

[Fernweh]

Had a great time at the Expedition Expo in Prescott, AZ last weekend - showing off some new G-wagen accessories.......sorry, now 22" rims
- as the spin stops here - :smiley_drive:

http://up.picr.de/2182419.jpg
Expedition Expo Prescott, AZ 2009

http://up.picr.de/2182421.jpg
The spin stops here:victory:

[Scott Brady]

I am currently researching what is required to remove the factory alarm system from the 463. While it has been reliable, I hate alarm systems, especially ones with immobilizers. And in typical Teutonic fashion, there is no easy way to stop using the alarm. The primary limiter being the complete lack of a key hole on the drivers side door :Wow1:

Has anyone been able to successfully remove the alarm, but retain central locking? Or is there a way to install a keyed door handle on the drivers side?

Overall, my build of the G-Wagen has been slow. We did install one of Karl's excellent wheel cover storage kits.
http://www.g-wagenaccessories.com/index_files/image509.jpg
More on that soon.

[Scott Brady]

Testing:

http://www.expeditionswest.com/outdoor_adventures/uncle_gary/Uncle_Gary/pictures/picture-24.jpg
Forgive the point and shoot quality here.

I had a few hours on Sunday to begin testing the G on our local test track. The trail is moderate, but has steep hills and many cross-axle obstacles to guage stability, traction, articulation, locking differential activation, etc.
http://www.expeditionswest.com/outdoor_adventures/uncle_gary/Uncle_Gary/pictures/picture-30.jpg
http://www.expeditionswest.com/outdoor_adventures/uncle_gary/Uncle_Gary/pictures/picture-31.jpg
http://www.expeditionswest.com/outdoor_adventures/uncle_gary/Uncle_Gary/pictures/picture-33.jpg
http://www.expeditionswest.com/outdoor_adventures/uncle_gary/Uncle_Gary/pictures/picture-34.jpg
http://www.expeditionswest.com/outdoor_adventures/uncle_gary/Uncle_Gary/pictures/picture-36.jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/outdoor_adventures/uncle_gary/Uncle_Gary/pictures/picture-28.jpg
Front tire is just in the air, due to the angle of climb, which has shift the weight rearward. Center locker on, then rear locker on - easy.

http://www.expeditionswest.com/outdoor_adventures/uncle_gary/Uncle_Gary/pictures/picture-39.jpg


There is no question the G has less articulation than the Discovery I, but feels stable regardless, most certainly aided by the longer wheelbase and low center of gravity. Has anyone removed the front anti-swaybar, and to what effect? The anti-swaybar is low and vulnerable anyway, and attaches to the control arms.

Even with the completely stock suspension, head toss is minimal and damping is fine. It does lose composure pretty quickly at speed, but no worse than the Discovery (but much worse than the Tacoma with all the go-fast suspension parts). The G does have an almost intangible ride quality, probably the combination of low COG, best-in-class seats and suspension design. It does lift a wheel easily compared to a Land Rover, but seems complete composed when doing it. I would say the suspension travel is similar to an 80 series TLC.

I like the locker activation, and convenience of the switches on the dash. Simple and fast activating, somewhere between the ARB (fastest) and the Toyota (slowest).
http://www.expeditionswest.com/outdoor_adventures/uncle_gary/Uncle_Gary/pictures/picture-26.jpg

It has been an interesting couple months, having driven the Defender, Discovery 5-speed, J8 Diesel, Unlimited JK Rubicon and the G-Klass interchangeably. The G feels the most solid, in nearly every way. Tight, even with over 100,000 miles on it. Excellent ergonomics and the best seats of any SUV in the segment, by a wide margin. The lockers, ground clearance, factory 32" tires, approach and departure angles allow the G-wagen to do silly stuff on the trail. I nearly forget to air down (and often don't), as it never seems to need the traction and the ride is so good.

I still prefer driving the Discovery, mostly because it is more difficult (I really need to pay attention to line, tire placement, airing down, etc on the trail above), with a shorter WB, open diffs (for now), manual transmission, etc. The Disco has a better driving position, and a brighter cab. The Jeep is just unstoppable, but has much larger tires, better articulation and much lower gearing. The Defender has the fun-factor nailed, and does pretty well on the trail, though I am very cautious with it. It has F/R air lockers, so traction is not a problem, though gearing is. At low RPMs, that little diesel just does not have enough torque for such a heavy truck, and even with the 3.31:1 low range, the 3.54 axles are too high for the trail, but just right for the road. Switching to 4.10 would be great on the trail, but kill mileage and cruising on the highway - tough spot.

In reality, any serious modifications to the G will just ruin it. It is perfect, as is, for what we need it to do. I am just going to address a few minor things, add some rocker panel protection and a factory rear bumper (off of the 460 model). I might test it with the swaybar off.

[G-force]

If you take away the front swaybar, you will have quite a bit more flex.

But keep in mind that turning sharp corners becomes a little woobly. Espessially "turn in" lacks the response and control, that you are familiar with, in a G.
I olso loosen the big nut, at the end of the swaybars, when i go offroading. Just a turn or two, to give some room in the bushings. They are nylock`s, so there is no danger that they will come all off. This combined with shocks with longer travel, 40 mm spring lift and longer brake hoses (important!!) gives me plenty of flex for offroad driving. Just make sure to tighten the nuts, as you go "on road" again.

[39Ronin]

Some food for thought from the members at Pointed Three:

http://pointedthree.com/disc/forums/showthread.php?tid=5267&posts=13&highlight=remove anti sway bar&highlightmode=1#M97748

[michaelgroves]

Interesting viewpoints on that forum, but I couldn't agree with a lot of what was being said, such as:


they are called anti sway bars for a reason - they limit body roll.

Someone put them into our cars for a good reason. Safety!!!!!


So yes, you get more articulation with your anti sway bars disconnected - but you are increasing your chances to roll over (especially off-road) dramatically.
anti sway bar disconnects are for people without lockers and/or without driving skills

Always remember, anti sway bar disconnects originated in the Jeep world. Now that doesn't create much credibility in real world settings.

One of the leaders in Jeep modifications (Currie Enterprises) has never offered anti sway bar disconnects - instead they designed anti sway bars with increased travel. Now, that is smart and safe.

I could see an argument that removing the anti-swaybars might be a bad trade-off in a G-wagen. But quick disconnects don't seem to have any significant disadvantage. Why would they make you more prone to rolling, off-road? And as for anti-sway bar disconnects being for people without lockers or driving skills, that's just plain nonsense! There's an interesting discussion to be had over diff-locks versus good articulation, but having both is clearly better than having either one.

As for anti-sway bars that allow increased travel, well, that's a compromise too. Good road manners and lots of wheel travel are mutually at odds. Different anti-sway bars are not a silver bullet (else I suspect the Merc/Puch engineers would have thought of it), they are just at a different point on the trade-off.

[39Ronin]

Interesting viewpoints on that forum, but I couldn't agree with a lot of what was being said, such as:



I could see an argument that removing the anti-swaybars might be a bad trade-off in a G-wagen. But quick disconnects don't seem to have any significant disadvantage. Why would they make you more prone to rolling, off-road? And as for anti-sway bar disconnects being for people without lockers or driving skills, that's just plain nonsense! There's an interesting discussion to be had over diff-locks versus good articulation, but having both is clearly better than having either one.

As for anti-sway bars that allow increased travel, well, that's a compromise too. Good road manners and lots of wheel travel are mutually at odds. Different anti-sway bars are not a silver bullet (else I suspect the Merc/Puch engineers would have thought of it), they are just at a different point on the trade-off.

Good points, I however don't have the experience of driving with the swaybar off or disconnected so I hesitate to enter that debate. The man you qouted is a professional off raod instructor and has a background in teaching the military and private sector, I'm not siding with him as I like to come to my own conclusions but I also realize he has 100 times the experience of that I have or most of us have offroading. His website is here:
http://www.4x4abc.com/

[michaelgroves]

Yes, I'm well aware of Harald's pedigree :)

But he has been a zealous fan of the G-wagen from very early days, when axle diff-locks were much rarer than they are now, and the G-wagen's party-piece! Consequently, I believe he still under-states the importance of good axle articulation (the G-wagen's relative weak point), relative to locking diffs (a strong point of the G). Keeping as many wheels in contact with the ground as possible is a prime way of getting better traction (and being kind to the drivetrain), with or without differential locks!

[Gurkha]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3734004363281948019

This vehicle is basically a tubular chassis G460 body with Hanomag IFS in front and MB 307d diff in rear, has lockers front and rear and VG10 T case. I own a G300 as well as the Gurkha, I find the Gurkha doing better off road due to the tubular chassis and IFS.

[Scott Brady]

Crossed-axle articulation (within reason) is a critical component of traction and vehicle stability off-highway. The function/benefit of an anti-swaybar is only realized at speed.

A vehicle with limited articulation (think X5 as an extreme example) will be inherently less stable and more likely to lose control or roll on the trail, for the specific reason that once an axle has reached its travel limit, that corner will unload, then lift, causing the vehicle to shift weight and stability without the benefit of damping. The G-Wagen is inherently less stable than a Land Rover for this reason. Once at the limits of articulation travel, the vehicle lacks the damping effect of shock stroke and the stabilizing and ground pressure effect of sprung axle movement.

Axle differential locks are the Gs greatest strength. Its lack of articulation is its greatest weakness.

This is not to say that axle articulation is the ultimate attribute, it is just a factor, but one that must be understood and capitalized on. There are limits to the positive effects of axle articulation, as ground pressure is key to traction and uncoupled-excessive droop will create other problems with spring retention, axle-steer, etc.

It is all a balance. . .

I am going to pull the swaybar off, and report. . .

I have also researched the fitment of a Currie Anti-Rock, which looks like it could work.
http://www.currieenterprises.com/CESTORE/images/product//currie/ce9900tjr.jpg

[Root Moose]

Great stuff! I'm looking forward to comparison photos. :)

[michaelgroves]

Crossed-axle articulation (within reason) is a critical component of traction and vehicle stability off-highway. The function/benefit of an anti-swaybar is only realized at speed.

A vehicle with limited articulation (think X5 as an extreme example) will be inherently less stable and more likely to lose control or roll on the trail, for the specific reason that once an axle has reached its travel limit, that corner will unload, then lift, causing the vehicle to shift weight and stability without the benefit of damping. The G-Wagen is inherently less stable than a Land Rover for this reason. Once at the limits of articulation travel, the vehicle lacks the damping effect of shock stroke and the stabilizing and ground pressure effect of sprung axle movement.

Axle differential locks are the Gs greatest strength. Its lack of articulation is its greatest weakness.

This is not to say that axle articulation is the ultimate attribute, it is just a factor, but one that must be understood and capitalized on. There are limits to the positive effects of axle articulation, as ground pressure is key to traction and uncoupled-excessive droop will create other problems with spring retention, axle-steer, etc.



Concisely put!

[Root Moose]

I have also researched the fitment of a Currie Anti-Rock, which looks like it could work.

Scott, before committing to the AntiRock also look at ORO Swyaloc.

It is switchable from stiff to soft from in the cab. It seems like a more elegant solution for how we use our trucks (vs 'wheelin').

Here' the link:

http://www.offroadonly.com/products/suspension/swayloc/index.shtml

I only found out about the product this morning. I have no idea how year 'round friendly the parts are, I'm thinking winter road spray in particular.

[Scott Brady]

I found this picture from the first test/trail run with the G. I like it (Chris shot the image).
http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/G-Class/gwag1.jpg

We are starting to plan a few updates to this truck, including 2M radio, new winch, a FrontRunner rack and new tires. After that, probably a set of sliders. These trucks really do not need much.

[RHINO]

its a nice shot, but it looks like your reaching to smack a child in the back seat, you need to be more professional:victory:

[4Rescue]

Thats a sweet picbut ^^^^ Yeah he's right HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It does look like you're dolling out an attitude adjustment to the back seat HAHAHAHAHA. I can't wait to see what the new parts do for her, these trucks are so cool, I'm really loving this G-Wag section and all the awesome rigs that we're getting to see. Keep it coming Scott.

Cheers

Dave

[Scott Brady]

Lol, no kids for me. Probably looking back at the other vehicles in the group

[JSQ]

What is fuel economy like with the Brabus 3.6?

[Scott Brady]

What is fuel economy like with the Brabus 3.6?

Even hyper-mile efforts will yield barely 16-17mpg. Most tanks are in the 10-12mpg range. And while the performance is adequate (I am used to driving small V6 vehicles), the 5,000+ lb heft keeps things - reserved. Torque is impressive though, and the truck will pull most long grades with little effort.

Brabus lists the motor at 285HP and about the same torque.

[Scott Brady]

We had a little fun with the G in Sedona today (Stephanie's family was in town).

This truck was entirely unfazed by everything, even with the hard Michelins at street pressure. The silly Pink Jeep people mostly stared with mouth agape.

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/G-Class/images/G-Klass_.jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/G-Class/images/G-Klass_%20(1).jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/G-Class/images/G-Klass_%20(2).jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/G-Class/images/G-Klass_%20(3).jpg

Overall, I am starting to love the G. It has all the uniqueness/cache and comfort of the Rovers, but superior performance in stock form with a much more robust, reliable drivetrain. 9/10ths Toyota reliability in an interesting package.

Unfortunately, I am not convinced the G500 has the same potential. I just need to find an older diesel 460 - white of course ;)

[Indiana Drew]

We had a little fun with the G in Sedona today (Stephanie's family was in town).

This truck was entirely unfazed by everything, even with the hard Michelins at street pressure. The silly Pink Jeep people mostly stared with mouth agape.


Overall, I am starting to love the G. It has all the uniqueness/cache and comfort of the Rovers, but superior performance in stock form with a much more robust, reliable drivetrain. 9/10ths Toyota reliability in an interesting package.

Unfortunately, I am not convinced the G500 has the same potential. I just need to find an older diesel 460 - white of course ;)

Scott:

Unless you just want the basics of a 460, a 2002 MBUSA truck will likely be less expensive in the long run then restoring a 460 to similar condition. By the time I get my 1980 280GE SWB in the condition I would like it, I would guess I will have more in it than what I could sell '02 truck for and the 1980 will never bring that kind of money were I to sell it. Of course as I hope not to care about the practical, I guess it is does not matter. I also know lots of us that have taken 100,000 mile plus MBUSA trucks out in some pretty remote areas ...

Your 36 looks spectacular!

[haven]

"The silly Pink Jeep people mostly stared with mouth agape."

I assume you're referring to Pink Jeep customers, rather
than employees.

[dclee]

Scott:

Unless you just want the basics of a 460, a 2002 MBUSA truck will likely be less expensive in the long run then restoring a 460 to similar condition. By the time I get my 1980 280GE SWB in the condition I would like it, I would guess I will have more in it than what I could sell '02 truck for and the 1980 will never bring that kind of money were I to sell it. Of course as I hope not to care about the practical, I guess it is does not matter.

x2

I don't even want to think about what I've got in my truck right now. However, it is Scott's 460 LWB in white, and it's a California titled and registered diesel, so I figure that's worth something...

[Indiana Drew]

x2

I don't even want to think about what I've got in my truck right now. However, it is Scott's 460 LWB in white, and it's a California titled and registered diesel, so I figure that's worth something...

That is worth a ton ... The SWB has some value in uniqueness - I guess the Cabrios have historically held the highest value. Wish there were a data base of sales ...

[Scott Brady]

I do like the MBUSA trucks, but I have love for the 460 with the mechanical diesel. That might be the truck I take the rest of the way around the world (though just a plain Jeep JK Rubicon or Brute are still in contention). I can also see buying a 500 for Stephanie. She would love it. I just do not want to be in the middle of Ecuador and have to fly in a technician with a test book. It is unlikely to happen, but could.

The beauty of the 460 is that they are legal here in the US, as is the diesel motor. I still think the 70 is an overall better choice (being purely practical), but I like the idea of the MB.

Steve's truck is sweet.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33659&d=1255824006

[Indiana Drew]

I do like the MBUSA trucks, but I have love for the 460 with the mechanical diesel. That might be the truck I take the rest of the way around the world (though just a plain Jeep JK Rubicon or Brute are still in contention). I can also see buying a 500 for Stephanie. She would love it. I just do not want to be in the middle of Ecuador and have to fly in a technician with a test book. It is unlikely to happen, but could.

The beauty of the 460 is that they are legal here in the US, as is the diesel motor. I still think the 70 is an overall better choice (being purely practical), but I like the idea of the MB.


I understand the motivation - ideally my 460 would be rust free, repainted and have a few hundred blown, mechanical horses ... With a garage full of parts, I'll let you know when there is a plan for the engine ... Too bad Wankel never perfected the diesel rotary ...

[39Ronin]

The diesel 460 is what I own and is great with the exception of power, I am in the middle of an OM617A (turbo version from the a 300D) rebuild / swap and I cannot wait for the extra horses to show up. Mountain driving is not fun in the NA OM617 G, I have to constantly anticipate hills and passing as I drive. I am not in a hurry but going up hills at 65km per hour is challenge, its seems I am always neck and neck with 18 wheelers hauling concrete highway dividers. Just my 2 pennies.

[dclee]

I have a crated OM617A waiting to go into my truck...

[39Ronin]

I have a crated OM617A waiting to go into my truck...

factory rebuilt? If you don't mind telling me how you paid for it?

[dclee]

factory rebuilt? If you don't mind telling me how you paid for it?


My kids' college fund...

[39Ronin]

ha ha. fair enough, I was trying to make myself feel better for the cost of my rebuild.

[BIGdaddy]

i have to say, I've been a g-wagon fan for a long time. I'm a big M-benz fan anyway having had a family diesel sedan when I was a kid. We called her Cecil the Diesel. Very solid rig that we sold cuz my mom didn't like the diesel smell...??...lol.

I see a few non 500's around here in san diego, but they're rare. As in, like 2 total seen in the 9 years living here. Lots of 500's in La Jolla and coronado, though.

I'd totally rock a g500, if it was pro-painted in black and desert tan. :)

great discussion so far. I agree on limiting the mods. I've seen these offroad, and they just always seem to scrabble, lumber or crash their way over whatevers in front of them.

-B

[Scott Brady]

We installed and are testing the G-Wagen Accessories spare tire storage compartment.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_wgkK2KO2kAU/SvXxGQ-0ZjI/AAAAAAAACnM/KqdaVlXBsM4/s800/PB060122.JPG

The spare tire on the G-Klass is mounted with the face of the wheel against the door, which leaves a 7" deep space normally covered by the very "blingy" factory wheel cover.

Nathan spent a few days inspecting, fitting and testing the unit and wrote a tech piece for the home page. You can see the full install and his thoughts here: Storage solution for your G-Klass (http://www.expeditionportal.com/editorials/38-equipment/134-gelandewagen-handy-small-item-storage-solution.html)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_wgkK2KO2kAU/SvXxT34UbkI/AAAAAAAACno/9mXG8_wgoNw/s400/PB060142.JPG

[VermontOverland]

Very cool. That would make a nice secret compartment underneath my spare tire cover.

[Alkazar]

Man, G wagen just looks the business. Awesome.:drool:
Can you share more about your G wagen engine and other electronics reliability?
Were you specifically looking for the 320 engine?
Do you consider it powerful enough for say a fully loaded expedition G? Thanks

[Alkazar]

I have to agree that the G wagen looks the best in white.

[Scott Brady]

Man, G wagen just looks the business. Awesome.:drool:
Can you share more about your G wagen engine and other electronics reliability?
Were you specifically looking for the 320 engine?
Do you consider it powerful enough for say a fully loaded expedition G? Thanks

Well, the truck has been perfectly reliable over the last 1.5 years and then a few weeks ago, I needed to swap an ignition coil. In reality, the condition of the truck and the perfection by which it goes about its duties is shocking given the 190,000 miles on the chassis. The motor/trans/t-case has less than 30,000 miles on it.

This truck (a G320) has a Brabus 3.6L that was swapped in. I consider it more than adequate on the trail and road with that motor (about 285HP). These are heavy trucks though, weighing 5,400lbs. stock. It is no speed deamon.

[Mike Serpe]

Here's the dealio....

On the G, the removal of the front sway bar will have a variable affect.
What it comes down to is the following....

How much weight do you intend to carry, and what engine weight?

What springs you want to run?

What type of offroading do you do?


If you don't do rock crawl stuff, then removal of it is without purpose, it surely will help in a panic steering situation on a baja highway if your car is loaded with gear, and especially all of those roof rack loaded Gs are helped by keeping the bar on.

If you tend to get car sick, or your passengers do, then the bar definately helps that issue on twistie mtn roads.

The stock springs are not that stiff, so they allow for a good bit of body roll if you are not a trained driver, or react too quick to a suprise deer in the road.....here the front bar helps keep both front wheels on the ground, with more equal weight. Anytime you get a lot of body roll, and there is weight transfer, then even if your outside wheel is still on the ground, it still has less traction.

However, if you lift the G, you need to remove it, or make it's hangers longer.

If lifting it means body lift, then this is not relevant, but if lifting it means a spring lift, ie stiffer springs, then you can be OK removing it, because the stiffer springs will not allow the G to be so prone to body roll.

Part of the benefit of the progressive coils in the back, is the ability to load the car up and have it react the same as being empty when turning at speed. Rebound of the suspension is very well controlled.....unlike leaf spring vehicles which are like shooting a bow and arrow on release.

The springs in the front are not progressive because the front axle weight does not change that much with load differences as compared to the back.

The bar is there mostly for sharp turn in body roll limiting.

A well trained and practiced driver, is not going to do sharp turn-ins in a heavily laden truck at speed......but a novice? or a panic brake/steer responder?

you can see why the lawyers keep it on the car.


I've always told my students, in a panic situation, you still need to somehow refrain from sharp driver inputs. The best drivers are able to stay calm in these situations enough to react, but do so with a fluid style...


in my own opinion... I'd rather hit the deer, than go flying off the road or flip.

But if that deer is an Autocar dumptruck, well then one must find a path around!

[zimm]

I have to agree that the G wagen looks the best in white.

yes, but white REALLY needs a black grill. the all white grill makes the truck look like the car version of a NJ beach guido. you know, wearing all white accessories, watch, belt, sunglasses, hat...etc.

[Scott Brady]

white REALLY needs a black grill.

Zimm speaks the truth.

I just got some quotes on the repaint. To go silver (what Stephanie wants) and repair the b-pillar rust and a notable DS door ding, it is going to be $5,000. I have no idea what repaints should be for.

This guys work is nice, and he specializes in show cars, restorations and custom work.

[zimm]

Zimm speaks the truth.

I just got some quotes on the repaint. To go silver (what Stephanie wants) and repair the b-pillar rust and a notable DS door ding, it is going to be $5,000. I have no idea what repaints should be for.

This guys work is nice, and he specializes in show cars, restorations and custom work.

too much. youre gonna use the truck off road, and while where you live there arnt as many branches, in the eastern forests trails grow partially over in one year. the first time you hear the screeching noise from inside the cab, youre gonna regret spending that. this isnt the 65 mustang of your dreams, its a truck.

besides, its a color change. unless you yank the drive train and interior, it'll never be "right" and perfect.

if its gonna drive you that nuts, you'd be better off selling it for 18-20, adding on the 5, and getting a 2002 with all the bulletins completed. even if it costs you 2g more, youll end up with an all factory rig (easy wordwide repairs at MB compared to explaining to the colombian service tech about brabus motors) with 100,000 fewer miles.

i think youre at the point where you either use it and enjoy it, or ditch it for the right color, magazine articles be dammed.

[Scott Brady]

It is Stephanie's car, and she likes it. I really enjoy it for what it is too. This is just not the right car for a long trip out of country. I also have no intention of selling it. If the b-pillar rust and door ding wasn't there, I would likely just leave it be on the paint side.

If I were to own a G for me, it would be just like Steve Smith's- a perfect G-Klass IMO.

[zimm]

skreeeeeeeeech.... butt pucker. :)

[4Rescue]

Nice G Scott, it sure is a neat truck eh. Glad you're enjoying it. If only more G-Wagen owners in this country knew what they had eh.


...
I've always told my students, in a panic situation, you still need to somehow refrain from sharp driver inputs. The best drivers are able to stay calm in these situations enough to react, but do so with a fluid style...

Spot on... It's funny, I was teaching my GF how to drive in the snow (or just drive well really) and I always repeat my mantra: Small inputs to the cars controls are always better. brakes, Gas steering, whatever, SMALL INPUTS... I'm not a 'professional" driver, but I've had ALOT of track time adn I'd say I'm in the small percentage of people in the states that are "very good" drivers and this is what I've ALWAYS been taught. Small inputs keep you on the road. It's never let me down yet eh ;) I also am one of those "cool under pressure" folks (kinda have to be in my line) and I think it makes me a far better driver then people who are agitated adn nervous... Take a deep breath folks, and focus on the task at hand eh. You can't get to step B without completeing step A, at least not in my world. Or better yet: What good is it to rush around and not finish ONE thing just so you can start 20 other things???

Cheers

Dave

[stevegsmith]

It is Stephanie's car, and she likes it. I really enjoy it for what it is too. This is just not the right car for a long trip out of country. I also have no intention of selling it. If the b-pillar rust and door ding wasn't there, I would likely just leave it be on the paint side.

If I were to own a G for me, it would be just like Steve Smith's- a perfect G-Klass IMO.

Ah shucks Scott, I'm blushin. :o
I know you're talkin about the truck but I can't help embracing the compliment.

Dude, I realize this is probably pointless but Stephanie should know that silver is the most common G color known to man and womankind and I know Stephanie is not a common woman. I also realize you didn't ask for advice or comments but Zimm makes a couple good points about retaining the color and/or moving on. If $5K covers wrapping the paint work to the interior and door sills, I'd say that's a steal if the job is done right (I stripped mine myself including glass and it still cost me almost that in just the paint work. I had to put it all back together myself after the fact). G's are much cheaper these days (amazing since they're still practically coach-built). You may want to keep this one stock and look for a silver G down the road. A lighter interior also wouldn't hurt in your climate.

Hey, Serpe would probably consider selling you his. Food for thought yo.



p.s. Ignore everything I just said if Stephanie is a diehard Silver Bullet drinker.

[Fernweh]

If I were to own a G for me, it would be just like Steve Smith's- a perfect G-Klass IMO.

But there is always the non-white option available:

http://up.picr.de/4045374.jpg

Come and visit us at the Overland Expo in Tucson, April 16 -18, 2010

and check out, sit in & touch this awesome adventure wagen :)

[zimm]

could you post picture of this rust you speak of?

[stevegsmith]

But there is always the non-white option available:

http://up.picr.de/4045374.jpg

Come and visit us at the Overland Expo in Tucson, April 16 -18, 2010

and check out, sit in & touch this awesome adventure wagen :)

Karl, I love what you did with your new Isuzu! Looks a little like a G. :safari-rig:

[Fernweh]

Karl, I love what you did with your new Isuzu! Looks a little like a G. :safari-rig:

Yes, I do believe there were only four G-wagen at the Death Valley trip:victory:

[antisoshal]

Can someone detail to me the legal Diesel versions of the Gwagon in the states? I'm planning to buy/build a diesel off road vehicle, and as I understand it some of these are legal here already. You cant beat the durability and NOT having to do a questionable engine swap makes things WAY easier. My only limitations from the wife is anything I get has to have airbags, and it appears the Gwagon adopted those a lot earlier than others.

[otiswesty]

If I were to own a G for me, it would be just like Steve Smith's- a perfect G-Klass IMO.

I love Steve's truck, it reminds me of my old 300GD which was also white. Mine had the tropical roof and is now with a new owner in Bend, Oregon. The main drawback of the 300GD is the lack of power. To go from the stock 29.5" wheel to a 31" is a significant drop in available power, 33" is like learning to crawl, unless of course you elect to do the necessary R&P change.

Unfortunately you are left with a diesel G that moves a little better but has long stopping distances. Perhaps there is a cure for that as well.

All modifications come with compromises as we well know.

The G500 can be modified more easily due to the depth of reserves available both in braking and power. A switch to 33" tires from 30.5" stock is not really noticed. Braking is also unaffected and power remains adequate. Many 300GE and G320 owners look to R&P changes after going up in tire size. Ask "Fernweh." As for the Brabus G36, I have test driven one prior to buying my G500, but do not have much knowledge of them outside of that brief ride and reading about some wiring harness issues.

The '02-'03 G500 have been much maligned due to some quality issues that are primarily related to non essential items, but these have been well sorted. Service and parts are more readily available than for a grey market vehicles like a 300 GD or a G320 with the 3.6 motor upgrade as previously mentioned.
The 300GD mechanical simplicity is tempting, I was once a diehard, but for mountainous or hilly road driving it is not at all practical and the fuel economy is not much better than a G500. I averaged 15.4 MPG on a 200 mile mellow weekend trip to the Oregon coast a few days ago. I averaged 17-18 MPG in my 300GD.

While the 300GD is a great hobby car like an old LR or TLC, the G500 combines the best of both worlds - modern automotive technology with Mercedes Gelandewagen capabilities. The G320/36 is a great car, somewhat unusual, and is nice to see in the OJ features, but putting 5K into it that you will never see back would be pound foolish IMO.

[Hltoppr]

These things are kindof growing on me Scott...and I'm getting pressure from Amanda.

See ya' after Mongolia!

:ylsmoke:

-H-

[BeachBum]

I'm actually going to look at an '88 300GD this evening. Any obvios things I should look for problems wise. I've been a LR person for as long as I remember but have always wanted a G. Planning on using it for light wheeling and camping here in Spain and Morocco. (surf trips) I've been looking at everything from Defenders, which I've had in the states. To Land Cruisers and even a couple of Patrols. I just can't get the G bug out of my head. And I could, in theory, ship it back to the states in a couple of years also.

I'd plan on keeping the truck basically stock except for maybe a winch down the line and a Maggiolina in the roof. A/C isn't an issue as it will spend most of the time in the north coast of Spain and Portugal.

Check out the link, it's located 10 minutes walk from our flat here in Madrid.

http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=b3whhu1icsa3

Thanks for any input in advance,

Paul

[otiswesty]

That's a nice looking 300GD. If you are going to have riders in the back seat, a set of rear sliding windows would make a big difference, otherwise it is a bit claustrophobic or stuffy to ride back there. Being a Spanish car, it appears to have no rust which is hard to find in Europe on a 460 series G-class. Despite my previous critical digression on the diesel Gwagen, they are nice cars, just get up to speed slowly. A short wheel base would be better as it is a lighter vehicle, a cabrio even more so.

As for the vehicle in the ad, the odometer is only 5 digit so I would assume that you can put a 1 or 2 in front of the mileage. High mileage 460's can need a front axle service which can be expensive. So check that out as well as looking for blowby on the motor. Those would be the biggest issues I can think of. Make sure the car doesn't show evidence of a repaint, or rust could be lurking.

The late model 460's are the nicest, interior fully lined with rubber topped padding, more power accessories like locks, windows and heated seats. If I were to look for a 460 again, it would be a 1988-1990 300GD cabrio, but the SWB you are thinking of appears to be a nice candidate as well.

[BeachBum]

I would love one of the Cabrios but for me it would make it almost impossible to haul surfboards and camping gear. Not to mention the weather in Galicia, it rains more than in England I think. I did find a nice looking obvious repaint.

http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=lhv2ecuoeeyi

Here is a link to the list of for sale trucks on this page.

http://www.autoscout24.eu/List.aspx?vis=1&make=47&model=-62&pricefrom=1000&cy=E&page=1&maxresults=500&results=20&ustate=N,U&um=True&sort=price&zipc=E

I have no idea why you would put a 3k winch on the front of that truck.

I spoke with the owner of the white '88 and it is in fact a 250GD, it was not able to be show since that model was not in the system. The guy had also owned it since '96 and it has been mainly a vacation house car just outside of Madrid. Supposedly all original also.

What would you expect for mpg? He is guessing around 10lt/100km or around 25mpg. Possible? Cruising speed? Normal on the highways here is around 130kph. I don't need speed, I just don't want to get run over by the ruck drivers.

Thanks for the help.

Paul

[Johnny Christensen]

I have a G290 and are getting 10-11L / 100km. Basicly the same engine as the G250, just tuned for slightly lower rpm.
Your cruising speed could be about 100-110 km/hr, But keep in mind that best economy is 10/100 at 90km/hr and when you go to 120 km/hr it will increase to 15lt/100km.
A geländewagen is not built for speed, aerodynamics was not high on the list in mid seventies when it was designed :D

[Fernweh]

I would love one of the Cabrios but for me it would make it almost impossible to haul surfboards and camping gear. Not to mention the weather in Galicia, it rains more than in England I think. I did find a nice looking obvious repaint.

http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=lhv2ecuoeeyi

Here is a link to the list of for sale trucks on this page.

http://www.autoscout24.eu/List.aspx?vis=1&make=47&model=-62&pricefrom=1000&cy=E&page=1&maxresults=500&results=20&ustate=N,U&um=True&sort=price&zipc=E

I have no idea why you would put a 3k winch on the front of that truck.

I spoke with the owner of the white '88 and it is in fact a 250GD, it was not able to be show since that model was not in the system. The guy had also owned it since '96 and it has been mainly a vacation house car just outside of Madrid. Supposedly all original also.

What would you expect for mpg? He is guessing around 10lt/100km or around 25mpg. Possible? Cruising speed? Normal on the highways here is around 130kph. I don't need speed, I just don't want to get run over by the ruck drivers.

Thanks for the help.

Paul

Thanks for the link Paul,

now this one would be a real nice G-wagen for you:

http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=bhtdngnwmsbe

it's the real thing - I even wouldn't mind to have one like it. You might have to cut down on the Tapas & beer for a while, but the price seems to be fair.

Don't get a GD250, while accelerating you might hit the windshield with your head if not carefully enough:wings:

[BeachBum]

Amazing truck, but the sales tax alone would be almost the cost of the other truck. I'd rather pay cash for something then finance another. I also want a car I don't have to pay full comp insurance on. Even though I've been driving for almost 20 years they look at me as a new driver since I got my Spanish license. Just like being a 16 year old kid in their eyes.

A G 400 CDI would be the dream truck though.

It's really hard to find anything like these trucks be it a G, LC or Defender that has not been beaten to death.

[Johnny Christensen]

A G 400 CDI would be the dream truck though.


Mercedes has their issues with some models. A G400 CDI is generally best avoided. It may look good on paper and have loads of power. But many people has experienced engine faliure with that.

270CDI is generally regarded as a solid engine, with only the odd case of wrecked engine from faulty injector.

The more power you take from a diesel engine, by adding turbocharging, having higher injection pressures and better spray pattern, your margin for error will be less.
When everything works, it's great. But when a injector is starting to wear and the spray pattern is altered. The temperature of the combustion is rising.
Same thing with lacking turbo pressure and engine management continues to deliver normal amount of fuel. There you will get overfueling and combustion temp will rise.
Having a pyrometer installed, would give the driver a warning that something is about to go wrong before the engine suffers expencive damage.

[BeachBum]

Thanks for the info Johnny. I do know my way around a diesel engine or two. My family in California owns an industrial engine distributorship specializing in ag. Cummins, Cat, John Deere, Vovlo and Duetz from 200hp to 2000hp including natural gas. I started tearing down Detroits before I could drive. Just wish I had access to a shop like that here in Spain. :ylsmoke:

Curious question, how do these older diesels cope with the ULS Diesel? Do you have to run special additives, mix in 2 stroke oil or the like? :coffeedrink:

Thanks again,

Paul

[Johnny Christensen]

I have not heard of problems with the old diesels running todays fuel. Most of the old type diesel engines will run on almost anything that burns.
As such they are used for veggie conversions etc.

The other way around, there seems to be problems with Mercedes CDI engines getting low fuel quality in Afghanistan and other remote places. There are rumors that the german army have put an order for more diesel Geländewagen's on hold, until they have a better track record.

In the developed world this is a non-issue with sufficient quality fuel at every gas station. But if planning to go to places with limited infrastructure, it needs to be taken into account.

[Scott Brady]

With the Land Rover Discovery essentially finished, my attention is shifting the G. The first order was to replace the 15 year old winch on the front, which had major coating failure and significant corrosion.

I decided to try something different, and ordered a 9,000 Lb. Pierce Arrow winch. I have always been a diehard Warn guy, but several users had assured me the quality was good. And if I only use a single brand every time, we don't get a chance to try something new.

http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_18.jpg

I tore everything apart (almost), and found that the solenoid pack is an Albright-style with HD connectors. One of the better solenoid packs I have seen. I have had far too many of the automotive starter solenoid style fail.

The lever engages with a positive feel
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_17.jpg

The coating looks good and uniform in application. Time will tell if it handles the sun and elements well. The winch will get a synthetic line soon.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_15.jpg

http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_16.jpg

The fairlead is black powdercoated. A nice touch. Quality seems good on initial inspection too.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_14.jpg

http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_13.jpg

The kit even includes a pulley block with a greaseable bushing.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_12.jpg

The controller seems to be a good quality, with larger contacts then typical
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_9.jpg

http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_8.jpg

Hook on the end of the controller. That is new
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_7.jpg

I was particularly impressed by the quality and detail in the solenoid controller. The unit is sealed and uses heavy connectors and excellent wire routing and insulation. A good start.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_6.jpg

Good connections on the controller side too
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_5.jpg

Bomber
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_4.jpg

http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_3.jpg

Mounted on the G in the Europa bumper.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_2.jpg

Not bad. Now just some synthetic line. . .
http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_1.jpg

This is certainly not an endorsement of the product yet, just an initial inspection. We are doing some heavy training with a specialized team in the next few weeks that will tax the hell out of this thing - I will report on the results.

[zimm]

im convinced one of the best weight savers is poly winch line. im not saying dont hang a winch off the front, or use a strong brush guard, i just think its a great place to cut weight.

that having been said, if george ever returns my truck, im thinking of going with a light 6000lb winch and poly line. the old belview on my fj40 has done a fine job and its only a 6000 lb rate. im gonna rely more on a snatch block if i find issues.

ill be looking at 60-70lbs vs 120+. i think thats worth it to the steering components. hell, thats a battery!.

[Scott Brady]

I like the M8000 for that. Marginally heavier than the M6000 and still less than 50lbs with a synth line and aluminum hawse fairlead.

I will be switching out to synthetic on the G soon. Will abuse it for a few days in the desert on steel cable, and then put on the long-term line.

[Root Moose]

Yeah, I have an M6000 from the old Suzuki and I have an M8000 on the Cherokee. Not a lot of difference between them as far as weight goes. The M series winches aren't very blingy though. :)

I gotta do synth. All my stuff still has steel cable. Next winch I buy I'm going to get "naked" so I'm forced to get synth even if it is a touch more expensive doing it that way.

I've been looking at the Pierce and Titan winches. Not close to decision time though. Pierce appears to make good stuff and they've been around forever so I don't think there is any risk buying their gear.

[zimm]

not to take it too far off topic, but master pull has sales every once in a while. last time i used the money saved on the synth line to buy a nice yanker.

[JSQ]

The little G that could.

[WJinTRSC]

Any feedback on the winch yet? How do you feel it compares to the Warn?

[Scott Brady]

We beat the hell out of it for three days and no failures. It is also surprisingly quiet. I am impressed so far.

The challenge is that I cannot predict long-term reliability yet, as it is such a new product. I will report more details soon.

[Thor]

Scott

Is that winch mount added on to the stock G bumper?

My new 1980 280GE is looking for a winch mount/winch!

Yep, I did the deal.

Sold the RR for the G! Just for a new experience.

Thinking 235/85r16 for the G, works on Discos right? Hahaha!

[Scott Brady]

Great buy!

The winch bumper is from Europa. It was an option on the NA spec trucks.

A new bumper for the G is coming. We will announce it here!

[Thor]

would you let me know if your old bumper becomes available?

Thank You Scott!

Also, do you have any advise on 'comfortable' replacement front seats, I have the military ones and I'm not military shaped (unfortunately).

[stolenheron]

keep the winch updates coming!

[Ala5ka]

It's so beautiful (sniff, sniff "holding back tears")

[4Rescue]

...
http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=lhv2ecuoeeyi

Here is a link to the list of for sale trucks on this page.

http://www.autoscout24.eu/List.aspx?vis=1&make=47&model=-62&pricefrom=1000&cy=E&page=1&maxresults=500&results=20&ustate=N,U&um=True&sort=price&zipc=E

... ALL those BEAUTIFUL G-Wagens and not a single Mid-WB 3dr in sight... How hard are those to find. I know I was told in another thread that the awesome orange one i found was fitted with Van sides, but I NEVER see the longer W/B 3doors... Always 2Dr Hard tops/Cabrio's or 5dr Standard wagons... It's like the FJ43, or HZJ73...to me they're the Holy Grail of trucks but they seem to be SOOOOOOOO Rare!!!!!!! O-well, just one more awesome truck I'll never own apparently.

Cheers

Dave

[milecruncher]

brilliant G .... happy trail munchin'

cheers:smiley_drive:

[zimm]

Is there a good reason for that Europa winch bumper to stick out so far? It looks like it could have been cut back closer to the front of the winch to reduce the approach angle.

The horrible approach has always been the issue I've had with "factory" bumper options for the G. LR Defenders have better options... why not G's?


does it retain the oem tow pin? if so, access.

[Scott Brady]

For what we do with the truck, the bumper works fine, and it is rare that a driver would approach a ledge, etc. head on. Just a little angle of approach seems to do the job.

Personally, I like the G-wagon with just the tow pin.

[James Pierce]

http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment_testing/Pierce_Winch/Pierce_Winch_2.jpg

Scott,

Were did you get the rubber boots that you used to cover the studs on the winch motor? What gauge cable did you use to relocate the solenoid?

Thanks in advance,
James

[Scott Brady]

The stud covers are standard Warn. The wiring is 2 gauge and the solenoid is mounted inside the PS fenderwell. The controller wiring is then extended back to the bumper.

[piercearrowinc]

I like to hear more about the performance of the winch on your Land Rover! Thank for your post, pics and descriptions of the winch :) I haven't log in in awhile and I was doing a google search and found your photos of the winch in google images. What a fun surprise that they were from our friends at the Portal. Looking forward to the feedback.

[mk216v]

ALL those BEAUTIFUL G-Wagens and not a single Mid-WB 3dr in sight... How hard are those to find. I know I was told in another thread that the awesome orange one i found was fitted with Van sides, but I NEVER see the longer W/B 3doors... Always 2Dr Hard tops/Cabrio's or 5dr Standard wagons... It's like the FJ43, or HZJ73...to me they're the Holy Grail of trucks but they seem to be SOOOOOOOO Rare!!!!!!! O-well, just one more awesome truck I'll never own apparently.

Cheers

Dave

Dave,

I don't think you'll find many Kastenwagen's over here in the USA. :(

LWB Kastenwagen ('87 snow plow W460 LWB barn door Kastenwagen with air pressure brakes , 5 ton towing capacity!)
http://www.clubgwagen.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4173&t=1&sid=bb1138fff39ddfa4edf9f88574ec548b

LWB Kastenwagen sans windows(like Tom Sheppard's)
http://www.tschiewagon.com/de/img/mercedes-g-klasse-gelaendewagen/g290-kastenwagen-weiss/IMG_7279.JPG



Back on topic. What are the next plans for your G Scott?
Perhaps you could show some pics of the current fridge/compressor setup...also, future tools/storage plans?

[Scott Brady]

I like to hear more about the performance of the winch on your Land Rover! Thank for your post, pics and descriptions of the winch :) I haven't log in in awhile and I was doing a google search and found your photos of the winch in google images. What a fun surprise that they were from our friends at the Portal. Looking forward to the feedback.

We have worked the winch hard. In one training project, we worked it on and off for an entire day. I was surprised with how quiet it was - it pulled strong.

[Canada G]

The swb is not a kastenwagen. There are safety belts in the back

[mk216v]

The swb is not a kastenwagen. There are safety belts in the back

Very correct, my mistake.

[Canada G]

not a problem but I agree that they excist but you don't see them very often.

[Canada G]

http://www.clubgwagen.com/pictures/images/VanBody/van2.jpg

Here you have 2 kastenwagens. The on the left is a swb and the one on the right is a lwb

[aw990200]

Did Brady get rid of the G-Wagen? I don't see it on his list of vehicles anymore, but I did notice an MKIII (maybe I missed that one in the past).

[Scott Brady]

It is still part of the fleet, but Viking Overland has been building it out over the past year. We will start posting more updates.

[mk216v]

Please do Scott!

[zimm]

It is still part of the fleet, but Viking Overland has been building it out over the past year. We will start posting more updates.

i thought you were keeping it stock... cant resist eh? :)

[haven]

You can tell the 2013 twin turbo 5.5L G63 by its larger grill openings

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z241/expeditioncampers/2013-MBZ-G63.jpg

[zimm]

id prefer that they design a windshield seal that doesnt leak before they go stiffing re-re motors into the thing. but, the original owners dont keep em long enough to care, i suppose.

[Scott C]

What is that hole below the tag to the right on the bumper?

[mk216v]

What is that hole below the tag to the right on the bumper?

That's the area which holds the "probe" for refueling mid-flight. :sombrero:

[Scott C]

Good answer, it has the look of a lense cover. Surely you g-wagen nuts know what it is.

[otiswesty]

id prefer that they design a windshield seal that doesnt leak before they go stiffing re-re motors into the thing. but, the original owners dont keep em long enough to care, i suppose.

2002+ windshields do not leak. They now have an adhesive sealant between the frame and rubber seal. Harald has posted some pics of his windshield replacement project which clearly show the original sealant in place.

Eric

[koly]

Good answer, it has the look of a lense cover. Surely you g-wagen nuts know what it is.

The big grills on the lower section of the bumper are for the intercoolers for the turbos, and the lens is for the Mercedes DISTRONIC Plus cruise control (if you watch BBC's Top Gear, it's the same system from the S Class that Jeremy Clarkson tested where the car slows itself under cruise control - and will even stop itself depending on the distance to the vehicle in front of it).

[VermontOverland]

Scott, check out the new Vermont Overland 1: www.vermontoverland.com. Really clean truck. And BTW, 33x10.5x15 KM2's on stock alloys fits perfectly with stock springs with no mods whatsoever. Rover just didn't suit me and I could never get my '80 300 GDt out of my head! This one's petrol, but it's really nice for touring around VT as you can stop at any mom and pop general store for fuel.

[otiswesty]

The biggest thing I noticed on my 300GD with 33's was (in addition to the power robbing effects) that the braking distances were also really lengthened. Fitment of 33's was no problem, no rubbing at full compression. I had 33x9.5x15 though.
There are solutions to the braking issues in the 460 like a bigger brake booster and a few other tricks I saw on the 4x4abc website. I had already sold the 300GD by the time I ever saw these ideas.
The power of the 280GE is far in excess of the stock 300GD, but the fuel economy is not ideal.
I drive the G500 model now in which the power and braking effects of 33's are negligible. I love the 460 Gwagens though, and I feel that they operate most effectively when they are configured in a way that is close to the stock designs.

[Fernweh]

[QUOTE=otiswesty;1118287
There are solutions to the braking issues in the 460 like a bigger brake booster and a few other tricks I saw on the 4x4abc website. [/QUOTE]

Did he mentioned a Danforth Anchor, dropped out from below the rear bumper?

[Scott Brady]

This thread has been quiet for a bit, but mostly because of the extend of the rebuild/upfitment to the G-Wagon. Thor Motorworks (http://www.thormotorworks.com/) has done some amazing work with the vehicle and we will start posting details once we complete the documentation/images.

But here is a little teaser
140673

140674 (http://www.thormotorworks.com/)

[VermontOverland]

Very nice, Scott! Here are my latest antics:

140675140676140677

[Scott Brady]

Oooooh, I like those antics
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=140677&d=1358540788

[krnnerdboy]

Very nice, just realized that Thor is local to me. I'm going to have to check them out!

[Scott Brady]

You should pay Thor a visit. He has access to the most comprehensive G-Wagon accessory offerings I have found.

[zimm]

This thread has been quiet for a bit, but mostly because of the extend of the rebuild/upfitment to the G-Wagon. Thor Motorworks (http://www.thormotorworks.com/) has done some amazing work with the vehicle and we will start posting details once we complete the documentation/images.

But here is a little teaser
140673

140674 (http://www.thormotorworks.com/)



hmmmm'hm .... hmmmmmmm'hm......

so.... :-/ ....... what ever happened to the "keeping it stock, eschewing mud tires, its capable out of the box" philosophy?

[Scott Brady]

hmmmm'hm .... hmmmmmmm'hm......

so.... :-/ ....... what ever happened to the "keeping it stock, eschewing mud tires, its capable out of the box" philosophy?

That is so overrated ;)

Actually, we are not keeping the wheels and tires. This was a collaborative project with Thor Motorworks and they were testing these custom wheels. We are going to fit ATs and factory aluminum wheels like these
142184

[mk216v]

That is so overrated ;)

Actually, we are not keeping the wheels and tires. This was a collaborative project with Thor Motorworks and they were testing these custom wheels. We are going to fit ATs and factory aluminum wheels like these
142184

Any info on the custom wheels?

16" Ashtaroth's? What size tire will you be running, 255/85 or 285/75?

[chris505]

Those wheels are from Braid, here is a link to the '4x4 wheels' selection they have:
http://www.braid.es/wheels/products/competition-wheels_p8/4x4-racing-wheels_p15.html

[Scott Brady]

Any info on the custom wheels?


These are the custom wheels Thor is having made.
http://www.vikingoffroad.com/thor-motorworks-g10-wheels-for-g-wagen/

142474

[mk216v]

These are the custom wheels Thor is having made.
http://www.vikingoffroad.com/thor-motorworks-g10-wheels-for-g-wagen/

142474

Forged, 22lbs....very nice.
For the same money though, you can get a 16" 35.6lb Hutchinson DOT-approved beadlock.

As always, tradeoff's with each.

[Scott Brady]

16" Ashtaroth's? What size tire will you be running, 255/85 or 285/75?

I am going to run two different tire/wheel combos. One set of 18" Ashtaroths with a 265/70 R18 Falken AT and a set of steel wheels in 16" with 255/85 R16s or 8.25 R16 XZLs on them.

[mk216v]

I am going to run two different tire/wheel combos. One set of 18" Ashtaroths with a 265/70 R18 Falken AT and a set of steel wheels in 16" with 255/85 R16s or 8.25 R16 XZLs on them.

Interesting. I'd like to hear your thoughts on why even running the factory 18's.

[Scott Brady]

Interesting. I'd like to hear your thoughts on why even running the factory 18's.

I like having two sets of tires and wheels for my primary travel vehicles. In reality, this G-Wagen is incredibly capable, even stock, so having a nice, smooth running set of ATs on a larger wheel is a bonus for photography trips and general travel. Then I can swap to the 16s for any serious excursions. We have a lift, a big shop and lots of air tools at the office - easy swap.

Plus, I really like the look of the Ashtaroths ;)

[Scott Brady]

Final modifications before the truck leaves Thor Motorworks. New factory wheels and Falken ATs (265/70 R18), new tierod ends and a laser alignment. The truck will be in Prescott tomorrow night. Will take more photos asap.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/602938_10151661896468275_270443790_n.jpg

[mk216v]

I like having two sets of tires and wheels for my primary travel vehicles. In reality, this G-Wagen is incredibly capable, even stock, so having a nice, smooth running set of ATs on a larger wheel is a bonus for photography trips and general travel. Then I can swap to the 16s for any serious excursions. We have a lift, a big shop and lots of air tools at the office - easy swap.

Plus, I really like the look of the Ashtaroths ;)

Yeah, makes sense.

[mk216v]

Final modifications before the truck leaves Thor Motorworks. New factory wheels and Falken ATs (265/70 R18), new tierod ends and a laser alignment. The truck will be in Prescott tomorrow night. Will take more photos asap.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/602938_10151661896468275_270443790_n.jpg

So did you paint it white or wrap it white? Was dark blue(?) before.

[Scott Brady]

Enjoying having the G-Wagen back in Arizona. More details of the refurbish/modifications next week.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/819151_10151693434668275_1289621455_o.jpg

[Drop]

That looks great! Really looking forward to details next week. Cheers.

[mk216v]

Same here Scott. :chef:

[Scott Brady]

Another few images from the first day back in the 'Skitt
http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/820751_10151434122138748_1921041662_o.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/778650_10151697131608275_633351497_o.jpg

[RNPhoto]

I'd convert for it...

[VermontOverland]

I'd convert for it...

Dewit, Zack. Would be nice to have another G on the trails in VT!

[krnnerdboy]

The color schematic looks amazing. What did the respect cost? And was it a windows off restoration?

[krnnerdboy]

Sorry, damn spell check! I meant what did the respray cost?

[Scott Brady]

The color schematic looks amazing. What did the respect cost? And was it a windows off restoration?

It is a wrap. The vehicle was refurbished, not restored.

[grimbo]

How comprehensive is the wrap? ie how far does it go into the engine bay, interior of the vehicle? What sort of body work was/is needed to prep the body for it?
Why did you go that route vs paint?
Price, speed, ???


Just that my Patrol is getting to the stage where something needs to be done and a flat tan wrap is appealing

[Scott Brady]

The wrap has many advantages, but all relatively temporary. The wrap is about $2,000, while a proper respray of the G with factory paint is $5,000. A color change is $7,000.

[VermontOverland]

The wrap has many advantages, but all relatively temporary. The wrap is about $2,000, while a proper respray of the G with factory paint is $5,000. A color change is $7,000.

Scott, how do wraps fare in the hot AZ sun?

[mk216v]

Scott, how do wraps fare in the hot AZ sun?

Quite a few (w)rappers live in SW USA, no? :sombrero:

[Scott Brady]

We had a 2012 at the office today. Interesting to compare the differences, which are nearly all interior.
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[targa88]

I think I prefer the old school version...

[Scott Brady]

Scott, how do wraps fare in the hot AZ sun?

This wrap is of medium quality (installation), but with a good 3M wrap. In white, I suspect the wrap will do well, but it has only been in the AZ sun for a week. I see a wrap as a good mid-term solution. I will likely do a complete respray in white if the wrap starts coming apart.

[toddz69]

Scott:

It appears that your wagon is the model for the new Viking winch on their website and elsewhere?

Todd Z.

[mk216v]

I think I prefer the old school version...

Few external differences are noticeable between old(-'90) W460 and new('91+) W463 once the W463 is de-blinged.

[aircruiser]

These are the custom wheels Thor is having made.
http://www.vikingoffroad.com/thor-motorworks-g10-wheels-for-g-wagen/

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What is the offset/ET on those pretty wheels?

[otiswesty]

Ain't no school like the old school

True old school is a 460 series with those amazing hydraulic locker pull knobs. The older 463 compared to the newer is more subtle. All are pretty capable as is. Price, preference, and emotion are the main drivers so to speak.

[trump]

As you might guess, I love the color selection, Scott. Would love to see your G-Wagen and my Tacoma side-by-side.

[zimm]

Ain't no school like the old school

True old school is a 460 series with those amazing hydraulic locker pull knobs. The older 463 compared to the newer is more subtle. All are pretty capable as is. Price, preference, and emotion are the main drivers so to speak.

i bought a set to replace the dash nanny, amplifiers, and all crap in a 463. im considering where to put them since the 463 tcase seems to sit where the diff masters sit in a 460.

[Scott Brady]

As you might guess, I love the color selection, Scott. Would love to see your G-Wagen and my Tacoma side-by-side.

And we need to do that! Hope to do a lot more desert southwest trips next year.

[roberto]

What year and model is the one on right on post # 226

[Scott Brady]

What year and model is the one on right on post # 226

1996 463 with a 3.6L

[discotdi]

We had a 2012 at the office today. Interesting to compare the differences, which are nearly all interior.
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Damn! Can't understand why anyone would buy a 2012.