Pyeatt Draw Trail (AZ) Nov, 18, 2006

[ShottsCruisers]

Hello fellow Expo Portal members!

Pyeatt Draw was listed as one of the 10 most scenic trails by BFG Tires. Since the article, trail use is very high. The trail is also very difficult. It would not surprise me that in time, some obstacles might receive names from various wheelers.

Scott Brady and myself will be co-leaders on this run. This run is going to be open to 10 vehicles only due to trail length and difficulty. Scott is also planning to submit the story, with pics to Off-Road Magazine. (Thanks Scott!) If you'd like to join us please post a thread along with the main modifications to your truck (lift, tire, etc). Scott or myself will respond with the OK to be added to the list. I know this "do you qualify bit" sounds "weird", however the trail really demands a modified vehicle for the run to be a success with this many vehicles. We don't plan on being out there for 10 hours in late November.

Because of the difficulty, here's what we're looking for in vehicle specs:

1. Suspension lift of 2" or greater (sorry, no stock vehicles)
2. Up-sized tires
3. At least a rear locker (though a front locker will certainly help)
4. Rock sliders (unless you have a unusually high-lifted vehicle)
5. One good spare tire

I've run Pyeatt Draw once. Some of my friends have been on it a few times. On each trip there's usually some type of carnage though none has been severe. We've seen or heard of bent rear driveshafts and/or control arms, flat tires, some minor scrapes or dings. The trail is full of ledges, large rocks, and sharp tire eaters. Some areas do not have bypasses.

Details:

DATE: Nov 18 (Saturday)

MEETING PLACE: Shoofly Ruins on Houston Mesa Road just NE or Payson
(AZ87 north toward Strawberry to Houston Mesa Road...turn right onto HMR...proceed about 4 miles to the large and paved parking lot on the east side of HMR)

MEETING TIME: 9:30 AM (pull out at 9:45)

TRIP DURATION: About 6 hours (if all goes well)

TRAIL RATING: Mostly a 3.5 to 3.5+ (we may bypass one 4.0-ish obstacle that has eaten many driveline parts)(if we don't bypass, you can bypass)(also...we will not be attempting the 4th section tat most rate a 4.5 to a 5 in difficulty)

BRUSH: Very little. Only in a few places.

Plan on cool or possibly cold weather. We'll watch this very closely as the date draws near. Come on out and bring friends (in your truck)!

APPROVED ATTENDEES:

1. Scott Brady (co-leader)
2004 Tacoma
(Scott states he might have a "new goodie" on his truck by then? Hmm? OK, let's not work him for info :ylsmoke: )

2. John Shotts (co-leader)
2001 UZJ100 Land Cruiser
(Yes, Roklimo is going. Two 100-series have attempted the run so far. Both sustained some damage, though in their defense they were not outfitted like mine (less lift, smaller tires, less protection, etc). This will be a greater challenge for me and the 100 than the Moab Trails I've run.)

3. Seth JS
2002 Tacoma

4. Goodtimes
Jeep Wrangler

5. Madd Baggins
1994 FZJ80 Land Cruiser ("Tortuga")

6. Baja Taco
Toyota Tacoma

7. McVick Off Road
Land Rover Discovery II

8. Boston Mangler...FZJ80
Land Cruiser

9. Crawler # 976
Upper Pyeatt designed vehicle

10. Doc Random (Randy Drwinga)
1997 Lexus LX450 S/C (Supercharged)

Waiting list:

1. Daktari Ed...FJ40
2. Open
3. Open

[seth_js]

I'd like to tag along. I've been wanting to do this one for a while.

'02 Tacoma, 3" suspension, 1" body, 33"s, sliders, rear locked.

[ShottsCruisers]

I'd like to tag along. I've been wanting to do this one for a while.

'02 Tacoma, 3" suspension, 1" body, 33"s, sliders, rear locked.

Hi Seth. Your truck is up to the task for sure. WELCOME!

[goodtimes]

I'll go, if my stock(ish) jeep will qualify ;) .

[MaddBaggins]

You guys should have fun. I went thru there last month on a CSC run. We had 15 vehicles of various capabilities and had a great time. There were some dents and scrapes on a few rigs and the sole 100 on this run did some body damage and bent both lower control arms.
I got hung up on a muddy ledge and candy-striped my rear DS. Couple of guys stacked a few rocks for me to get over. That was my last trip on 285's and no front locker.


You know what, put me down for this John. That is a beautiful trail.

[ShottsCruisers]

I'll go, if my stock(ish) jeep will qualify ;) .

Well. I'll have to get with Scott about your truck. You could probably run the last 4.5 section. You might make things look too easy! :drool:

OK Brian. We'd luv to have ya! J

[ShottsCruisers]

You guys should have fun. I went thru there last month on a CSC run. We had 15 vehicles of various capabilities and had a great time. There were some dents and scrapes on a few rigs and the sole 100 on this run did some body damage and bent both lower control arms.
I got hung up on a muddy ledge and candy-striped my rear DS. Couple of guys stacked a few rocks for me to get over. That was my last trip on 285's and no front locker.


You know what, put me down for this John. That is a beautiful trail.

OK Alvin. We got ya.

We'll PROBABLY not run that last 30-minute section that has the driveshaft eating ledge. I know of 4 FZJ80's that messed up driveshafts on this climb.

[BajaTaco]

I'd like to go on this one. I haven't been on this trail at all, so I'd just need a solid opinion on doing it with only 32" tires. John, you know my Taco and have recently done the trail, so I'd like your opinion. I have 2.75" susp. lift, locked front/rear, sliders, tube bumpers & rear 1/4 protection.

[seth_js]

I'm in no financial situation for repairs right now, so I may be taking a lot of bypasses. I mainly just want to check out the trail.

[ShottsCruisers]

I'd like to go on this one. I haven't been on this trail at all, so I'd just need a solid opinion on doing it with only 32" tires. John, you know my Taco and have recently done the trail, so I'd like your opinion. I have 2.75" susp. lift, locked front/rear, sliders, tube bumpers & rear 1/4 protection.

Hey Chris! Oh yes....your Taco is up for this. Besides...who'd shoot the video from a moving rig? Glad you're coming!

[ShottsCruisers]

Oh boy. So far all Taco's. Will we have fun with Goodtimes!

[crawler#976]

John, Scott,

If there is still room left as the date gets closer, I'll see if I can get the '87 Toy P/U beater there. That's a long drive tho...things tend to get a "bit" warm on long highway runs.

7" lift

Dual t'cases

exocage/flatbed/sliders all welded together

spool x 2

[ShottsCruisers]

I'm in no financial situation for repairs right now, so I may be taking a lot of bypasses. I mainly just want to check out the trail.

Another reason we're limiting the group size. We want to make sure everyone is not rushed and has FUNNNNNNN! Dang....you got no worries. If I believe my 100 boat can make it OK you Taco-dues are set!

[Brian McVickers]

Oh boy. So far all Taco's. Will we have fun with Goodtimes!

What do you think about a DII with 2"-3" of lift with 265/75s, rock sliders, diff guards, winch and a Center Locking Diff with Traction Control?

Scott knows my rig and John you know DIIs well, so go ahead and be honest!:costumed-smiley-007

[ShottsCruisers]

John, Scott,

If there is still room left as the date gets closer, I'll see if I can get the '87 Toy P/U beater there. That's a long drive tho...things tend to get a "bit" warm on long highway runs.

7" lift

Dual t'cases

exocage/flatbed/sliders all welded together

spool x 2

10-4 Crawler. Though I don't think we'd approve you. Not modified enough! :hehe:

[seth_js]

This thread just got like 15 posts in a 3 minute span. Don't you people have any work to do? :p

[Scott Brady]

What do you think about a DII with 2"-3" of lift with 265/75s, rock sliders, diff guards, winch and a Center Locking Diff with Traction Control?

Scott knows my rig and John you know DIIs well, so go ahead and be honest!:costumed-smiley-007

You can make it Brian.

This is going to be fun :jumping:

[ShottsCruisers]

What do you think about a DII with 2"-3" of lift with 265/75s, rock sliders, diff guards, winch and a Center Locking Diff with Traction Control?

Scott knows my rig and John you know DIIs well, so go ahead and be honest!:costumed-smiley-007

Yer in. I ran this with Mike McDonald already. I invited him as a pre-run for a future Rover run. Mike did great throughout though one ledge bit him and he T-boned a control arm badly. That however was in the last 30-minute section we PROBABLY will not run.

The Rover TRAC works well so you should do OK. If a strap comes out you won't be the first to get one....which makes it OK, huh? :jump:

[ShottsCruisers]

This thread just got like 15 posts in a 3 minute span. Don't you people have any work to do? :p

My work phone's ringin' like mad. :drool:

[flyingwil]

oooooh! Count me in! sounds like fun!

[Brian McVickers]

(Scott states he might have a "new goodie" on his truck by then? Hmm? OK, let's not work him for info :ylsmoke: )

Don't you mean 4 new goodies!?

And I'm just speculating here, not working anyone!:rolleyes:

[MaddBaggins]

FYI
Kevin Patterson ran this with his brother and some others when it was dry. They said the tires just gripped everything and the trail was fairly easy. When I went thru a couple weeks later it had been raining alot and the same things Kev said were easy became quite slippery and the difficulty level went up for sure.

So if its dry, it won't be to bad. If the trail is wet and muddy...

[ShottsCruisers]

oooooh! Count me in! sounds like fun!

I know you and your truck Wil. You're in. See ya!

[crawler#976]

Damn - the spots are filling fast! Make me a definate go - I'll get there!


















Might need a tow home tho :xxrotflma

[ShottsCruisers]

Don't you mean 4 new goodies!?

And I'm just speculating here, not working anyone!:rolleyes:

I don't know for sure. I wanna see though!

[ShottsCruisers]

FYI
Kevin Patterson ran this with his brother and some others when it was dry. They said the tires just gripped everything and the trail was fairly easy. When I went thru a couple weeks later it had been raining alot and the same things Kev said were easy became quite slippery and the difficulty level went up for sure.

So if its dry, it won't be to bad. If the trail is wet and muddy...

Yes! Weather does change this trail's difficulty. Imagine a Nov 18th SNOW RUN! :friday:

[Scott Brady]

I am going to camp. Those who are in for a little camp action Friday night, let me know.

[ShottsCruisers]

Damn - the spots are filling fast! Make me a definate go - I'll get there!



Might need a tow home tho :xxrotflma


All right. You're down. Man....if we're strapping you over every rock. :gunt:


:jump:

OK.....don't hurt me! :(

[crawler#976]

Snow run!!!

Guess I should try to have MatTracks sponsor the rig. It'll be fun enough breaking ice in the creek, let alone crawlin' in snow!

[doc_random]

John,

I'd love to try this one!
'97 LX450, 3.5" lift, 35" tires, front and rear lockers, armor all around.

[ShottsCruisers]

John,

I'd love to try this one!
'97 LX450, 3.5" lift, 35" tires, front and rear lockers, armor all around.

Glad to have you Randy. Sweet, a supercharged Lexus on the trail! Stay light on the gas for our sake! :luxhello:

[-Spike-]

If there's still room, I'm in!

-Spike

[BajaTaco]

Hey Chris! Oh yes....your Taco is up for this. Besides...who'd shoot the video from a moving rig? Glad you're coming!

Cool - sounds good :costumed-smiley-007 I will definitely have to do some :camping: after the trail run.

[ShottsCruisers]

If there's still room, I'm in!

-Spike

You know what Ben. We're full now, HOWEVER....you've run this trail 3 times, me once, and it'll be Scott's inaugural run. I think for our "protection" we should have you be a tri-leader running near the front? You game? We could call you the "Navigator" even though you drive a "Cruiser". Whatcha think?

[-Spike-]

LOL, call me whatever you have to, that trail is too good to miss. Bonus points for getting to meet a bunch of new people!

-Spike (New bunch of people? New group? Meh, whatever :D)

[ShottsCruisers]

LOL, call me whatever you have to, that trail is too good to miss. Bonus points for getting to meet a bunch of new people!

-Spike (New bunch of people? New group? Meh, whatever :D)

We'll just call ya Spike. See you there!

[flyingwil]

I am going to camp. Those who are in for a little camp action Friday night, let me know.

Some Camping action sounds like fun! Count me pending my schedule.

[flyingwil]

This has to be a portal first too... a full attendance list in less than 2 hours!!!!

:luxhello:

[ShottsCruisers]

This has to be a portal first too... a full attendance list in less than 2 hours!!!!

:luxhello:

Awesome! This WIL be a great trip! :hehe:

[articulate]

This has to be a portal first too... a full attendance list in less than 2 hours!!!!

:luxhello:
:xxrotflma No kidding! Incredible. Shotts speaks, people listen.

MAN! I wonder if I can weasel a slot as a passenger in someone's rig? I'd love to be free to shoot photos 100% of the time

[ShottsCruisers]

:xxrotflma No kidding! Incredible. Shotts speaks, people listen.

MAN! I wonder if I can weasel a slot as a passenger in someone's rig? I'd love to be free to shoot photos 100% of the time

Hmmm....not quite. When Scott Brady and Off-Road Mag is involved...people listen. :hehe: You are welcome to ride in the latte hauler if you wish. We have 3 mid-row seats that beg for passengers. Ever been in a 100 off-road?

[ShottsCruisers]

Hmmm....not quite. When Scott Brady and Off-Road Mag is involved...people listen. :hehe: You are welcome to ride in the latte hauler if you wish. We have 3 mid-row seats that beg for passengers. Ever been in a 100 off-road?

Oh, and to make sure you're comfortable. The driver and passenger have a cupholder each. Then, the second row has two cupholders plus two more in the center console which could be shared with the front seat folks. Then, there's 3 more in the 3rd row. The meaning of this? Bring all the drinks you want! :jump:

[BajaTaco]

You are welcome to ride in the latte hauler...

ROTFLMAO! That is a great nickname... LOL

I may very well have an open seat too if someone wants to ride out of Prescott. I'll likely camp Friday and Sat. night.

[DaktariEd]

Dang! This thing filled up fast! :(
If there's a wait list spot available, please put my name down...

Ed

[goodtimes]

5 freakin pages in one afternoon?!?! You guys got to be kidding me. It's my day off and I don't have that much time...let alone when I am working. Well, actually....I WAS working. The neighbors are happy with me right now.:peepwall:

Scott, depending on my schedule, I may be up for camping...are you planning on camping the night before, the night after, or both?

I might have a spare seat....depends if I end up camping or not. No Latte's allowed though. But if you want to bring some decent rum to share after the trail, I can make room for that.

John, we most definately WILL be running that last section you keep trying to wuss out on. Let me repeat that...we WILL be running that last section you keep trying to wuss out on. Do I need to repeat that again? :elkgrin:

[seth_js]

I'll have an open seat or two if any one wants to jump in with me. That is, if you don't mind a little death wobble on the Beeline. :p

[-Spike-]

John, we most definately WILL be running that last section you keep trying to wuss out on. Let me repeat that...we WILL be running that last section you keep trying to wuss out on. Do I need to repeat that again? :elkgrin:

Guess I better get a winch. Been lookin' for an excuse. :D

-Spike

[goodtimes]

Guess I better get a winch. Been lookin' for an excuse. :D

-Spike

See, I am good for something....giving people excuses. :sombrero:

But don't do it just on my account....I'll have my winch along too.

[MaddBaggins]

Guess I better get a winch. Been lookin' for an excuse. :D

-Spike


I'll be sure to have some beers and popcorn to watch that last waterfall :yikes:

Nice to see you pop in over here Spike. Somebody said wheeling and you sniffed out a new forum to join.

[ShottsCruisers]

Dang! This thing filled up fast! :(
If there's a wait list spot available, please put my name down...

Ed

We'll add you to the waitiing list Ed.

[ShottsCruisers]

John, we most definately WILL be running that last section you keep trying to wuss out on. Let me repeat that...we WILL be running that last section you keep trying to wuss out on. Do I need to repeat that again? :elkgrin:

Define last? Is it the top picture or the bottom picture?

http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/90018287-M.jpg
http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/90018680-M.jpg

[goodtimes]

I dunno....I've never been on the trail. I'm just sayin' that we're gonna play (and yes, we includes you). :D

[ShottsCruisers]

I dunno....I've never been on the trail. I'm just sayin' that we're gonna play (and yes, we includes you). :D

Well the top pic was the "Driveline Eater". It ate all the rear shafts. That's the last obstacle I mentioned we'd probably not run. We'll have to see how long the main trail takes us.

The bottom pic is insane. It's a SWB obstacle for sure. The bottom ledge is wacked out enough. The top climb on the edge is wackjobbed. I would bet money on you and Lonnie Paugh to make it though.

http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/90018703-M.jpg

[BajaTaco]

The bottom pic is insane. It's a SWB obstacle for sure.


http://members.cox.net/mdirilo/payettemikewaterfall3.jpg

:p

[ShottsCruisers]

http://members.cox.net/mdirilo/payettemikewaterfall3.jpg

:p

Oh I know some Taco's and Runners have done it too. They are are REALLY built though. Have any made it up that without a winch or strap?

[BajaTaco]

Oh I know some Taco's and Runners have done it too. They are are REALLY built though.

True. I was just bustin' yer chops :)




Have any made it up that without a winch or strap?

I believe they have. A bunch of the Tacoma guys have done this trail before and if I recall, they made it up that shelf under their own power. But I have no idea where the trip reports/pics are.

[goodtimes]

See, if a lowly taco can do it, surely the 1000 could do it. Yes, I said the 1000, as in, 1000 latte holding devices that come with it.:sombrero:

[ShottsCruisers]

See, if a lowly taco can do it, surely the 1000 could do it. Yes, I said the 1000, as in, 1000 latte holding devices that come with it.:sombrero:

Ahhhh, FYI......LatteLimo could do that too. You'd just have to build a road/ramp up to it. If the coffee spills I will not attempt it. :sombrero:

[crawler#976]

I will not be doing any stupid pet tricks on this run...if I don't like the line, I'll pass. I'm really, really tired of fixing the BPOS after doing stupid pet tricks.

Last trip to the Hammer's was done on a trailer - sold both the trailer and the tow rig last year. Barber poled both d'shafts, blew a Detroit, a Ring and Pinion, and had to cut out and rebuild sections of the exocage...

[ShottsCruisers]

I will not be doing any stupid pet tricks on this run...if I don't like the line, I'll pass. I'm really, really tired of fixing the BPOS after doing stupid pet tricks.

Last trip to the Hammer's was done on a trailer - sold both the trailer and the tow rig last year. Barber poled both d'shafts, blew a Detroit, a Ring and Pinion, and had to cut out and rebuild sections of the exocage...

We're counting on you for excitement. One more wild run? :wings:

[crawler#976]

Nope...no more stupid pet tricks.


No more lay down and roll over, no more playing dead on my back...

I don't mind doing a retrieval or two tho :hehe:

[ShottsCruisers]

Nope...no more stupid pet tricks.


No more lay down and roll over, no more playing dead on my back...

I don't mind doing a retrieval or two tho :hehe:

OK.....you can still come. :jump:

[goodtimes]

Nope...no more stupid pet tricks.


No more lay down and roll over, no more playing dead on my back...



No need for stupid pet tricks.....I'm a wuss when I get to a point where I don't feel comfortable.....I'm also not happy when I have to fix stuff I broke....which is why you won't find me on the hammers (except on foot---once), you also would be really hard pressed to find me on H2H again.....just a bit too much for my taste (and my jeep).

John, just drink the coffee first...then it won't spill.:smiley_drive:

[ShottsCruisers]

No need for stupid pet tricks.....I'm a wuss when I get to a point where I don't feel comfortable.....I'm also not happy when I have to fix stuff I broke....which is why you won't find me on the hammers (except on foot---once), you also would be really hard pressed to find me on H2H again.....just a bit too much for my taste (and my jeep).

John, just drink the coffee first...then it won't spill.:smiley_drive:

Ya, that's are plan. We will drink it. So, ah....you're not going to drive up any obstacles in reverse this time? :yikes:

[goodtimes]

Ya, that's are plan. We will drink it. So, ah....you're not going to drive up any obstacles in reverse this time? :yikes:

Have I done that recently????:confused:

I did it once in California in front of a group of new land rover owners who were out for their little off road orientation thingie.....the looks on their faces when a stock jeep took the same line they did...but in reverse...was classic. :violent-smiley-031:

[ShottsCruisers]

Have I done that recently????:confused:

I did it once in California in front of a group of new land rover owners who were out for their little off road orientation thingie.....the looks on their faces when a stock jeep took the same line they did...but in reverse...was classic. :violent-smiley-031:

Well....ah, nope on doing that recently. I was tainting you into doing a couple of wild things on this trip. Since you wrote the second paragraph above, NOW WE ALL are gonna see what you pull. :088:

[goodtimes]

You shoulda seen me "self recover" on Dishpan Springs right after I got my jeep. Me, a couple other jeeps, and a couple of rovers I was showing around got to the creek crossing ("Deep Creek", AKA T-6), where we found 2 penis extensions (Ford superduty's with way too much lift for the ~36" tires they had). I got out and looked over the rock garden (before the bridge was in place and the rock garden was moved up the trail). The Ford owners told me it was impossible to get through there...so I had to prove them wrong. On the very last rock I had to clear, my belly pan got hung up. I'm sitting there in 4-lo, both lockers on, idling, with all 4 tires spinning (slowly). I get out (jeep still spinning all 4 tires), look back to see them telling the rest of the group something to the effect of "I told him it was impossible"....I grabbed my rear bumper, lifted up and pushed, at which time the jeep gets enough traction to start moving forward (remember it is still in gear, idling), I look back at them, wave, walk back to my jeep which is now driving itself up the trail, get in and proceed around the corner.

There were no comments from the peanut gallery when I walked back to spot the rest of the group through.

:D

[MaddBaggins]

Awesome Brian! I love that kinda stuff.

[Westy]

You shoulda seen me "self recover" on Dishpan Springs right after I got my jeep. Me, a couple other jeeps, and a couple of rovers I was showing around got to the creek crossing ("Deep Creek", AKA T-6), where we found 2 penis extensions (Ford superduty's with way too much lift for the ~36" tires they had). I got out and looked over the rock garden (before the bridge was in place and the rock garden was moved up the trail). The Ford owners told me it was impossible to get through there...so I had to prove them wrong. On the very last rock I had to clear, my belly pan got hung up. I'm sitting there in 4-lo, both lockers on, idling, with all 4 tires spinning (slowly). I get out (jeep still spinning all 4 tires), look back to see them telling the rest of the group something to the effect of "I told him it was impossible"....I grabbed my rear bumper, lifted up and pushed, at which time the jeep gets enough traction to start moving forward (remember it is still in gear, idling), I look back at them, wave, walk back to my jeep which is now driving itself up the trail, get in and proceed around the corner.

There were no comments from the peanut gallery when I walked back to spot the rest of the group through.

:D

That is classic! :victory:

You guys will have a great run up at Pyeatte, just be prepared for a good amount of water. I wish I could make it...still finishing up an engine swap.

[ShottsCruisers]

You shoulda seen me "self recover" on Dishpan Springs right after I got my jeep. Me, a couple other jeeps, and a couple of rovers I was showing around got to the creek crossing ("Deep Creek", AKA T-6), where we found 2 penis extensions (Ford superduty's with way too much lift for the ~36" tires they had). I got out and looked over the rock garden (before the bridge was in place and the rock garden was moved up the trail). The Ford owners told me it was impossible to get through there...so I had to prove them wrong. On the very last rock I had to clear, my belly pan got hung up. I'm sitting there in 4-lo, both lockers on, idling, with all 4 tires spinning (slowly). I get out (jeep still spinning all 4 tires), look back to see them telling the rest of the group something to the effect of "I told him it was impossible"....I grabbed my rear bumper, lifted up and pushed, at which time the jeep gets enough traction to start moving forward (remember it is still in gear, idling), I look back at them, wave, walk back to my jeep which is now driving itself up the trail, get in and proceed around the corner.

There were no comments from the peanut gallery when I walked back to spot the rest of the group through.

:D

That's awesome! And for those who don't know Brian's Jeep...it's GEARED. That sucker KERALLLLLS! I can see it driving itself and Brian following it. :D

[MaddBaggins]

Pulled up some shots of my last trip to Pyeatt.
Scott, it looks like we should be able to camp out friday night. I'll keep you posted.

[-Spike-]

Pulled up some shots of my last trip to Pyeatt.
Scott, it looks like we should be able to camp out friday night. I'll keep you posted.

Pics no worky, at least not for me.

-Spike

[seth_js]

Working for me.

Heck yeah man, I'm looking forward to this one.

[ShottsCruisers]

Working for me.

Heck yeah man, I'm looking forward to this one.

The forecast for November 18th (as of October 11) is for a heavy snow warning, temps in the mid 30's, accumilations of 4-8" of snow. :sombrero:

[Brian McVickers]

5" of snow would certainly make it interesting!!!


:archaeolo

[Scott Brady]

I am going; rain, snow or shine...

[seth_js]

I am going; rain, snow or shine...

x2 :wavey:

[MaddBaggins]

30* and 4-8" of snow, better break out the 0* bags and long chonies for this trip. And some whiskey for around the campfire, keeps the insides toasty :friday: :campfire:

[ShottsCruisers]

OK FOLKS....WE HAVE AN UPDATE:

Flying Wil can't make it. We'll miss him!

That means the Boston Mangler is in. Congrats!

Lonnie in the #2 reserve spot cannot attend also.

That leaves Daktari Ed in the #1 reserve spot.

For me...a good time to run this in the 100. I have a small dent in my ARB front bumper (paint missing too). It was driver error. :gunt:

Then, while scouting a new trail (killer by the way) we got lost and pin striped the snot out of the thing. Maybe it's time to sell the LX450 and mangle this thing instead? :smileeek:

See ya all soon!

[DaktariEd]

C'mon somebody...pull out!
Let me in!
Let me in!

:sombrero:

[ShottsCruisers]

C'mon somebody...pull out!
Let me in!
Let me in!

:sombrero:

Thank God my 100's garaged. Otherwise I might have slashed tires the night before the trip. :smilies27 :sombrero:

[DaktariEd]

Thank God my 100's garaged. Otherwise I might have slashed tires the night before the trip. :smilies27 :sombrero:

Whoa! Now THAT's an idea!!!!
:sombrero:

[MaddBaggins]

Whoa! Now THAT's an idea!!!!
:sombrero:

I better not see any FJ40's driving down my street :gunt:

[MaddBaggins]

Who's in for camping?
My wife took fri - sun off so we are gonna head up late friday morning and we plan on camping out friday and saturday night somewhere along the Pyeatt road that parallels the trail.
Scott, are you still down for camping friday?

[crawler#976]

map of Houston Mesa Rd.

[seth_js]

Who's in for camping?
My wife took fri - sun off so we are gonna head up late friday morning and we plan on camping out friday and saturday night somewhere along the Pyeatt road that parallels the trail.
Scott, are you still down for camping friday?

I'll be camping. Looks like the low will be around freezing. :camping:

[Scott Brady]

I will be camping Friday night. I am vacillating a bit on which vehicle to bring.

[ShottsCruisers]

I will be camping Friday night. I am vacillating a bit on which vehicle to bring.

Play my game:

Bad weather...rain or snow...the 100 gets booted and the Lexus goes.
Good weather...100 all the way.

Bad = Wranger
Good = Taco

??? ???

[MaddBaggins]

Play my game:

Bad weather...rain or snow...the 100 gets booted and the Lexus goes.
Good weather...100 all the way.

Bad = Wranger
Good = Taco

??? ???

You afraid of a little rain on the 100? Does it lose all capability in the snow?:D

[MaddBaggins]

We should be hitting Payson somewhere around lunchtime on friday and then heading in to set up camp. There's plenty of spots to camp along the trail and alot of them are big enough for multiple vehicles. Who plans on getting up there first and picking a spot?

[BajaTaco]

We should be hitting Payson somewhere around lunchtime ... Who plans on getting up there first and picking a spot?

Sounds like you are :) I imagine the Prescott contingency will be showing up late afternoon.

[goodtimes]

We should be hitting Payson somewhere around lunchtime on friday and then heading in to set up camp. There's plenty of spots to camp along the trail and alot of them are big enough for multiple vehicles. Who plans on getting up there first and picking a spot?

What time are you heading North? I'll be leaving home sometime in the morning.

...assuming of course that I get the jeep back in time. It heads to the shop to "recover" from the Expedition Trophy 2006, Monday morning.

[-Spike-]

We should be hitting Payson somewhere around lunchtime on friday and then heading in to set up camp. There's plenty of spots to camp along the trail and alot of them are big enough for multiple vehicles. Who plans on getting up there first and picking a spot?

FYI- there is a most excellent camping spot right near the start of the trail. I will try to describe- right after the trail starts, a road crosses it. This road can be accessed by following the original dirt road that leads to the trailhead for another 100 yeards or so. If you follow this trail-crossing road for perhaps 100 yards beyond where it crosses the trail, you will find the most excellent camp site on your left. Room for perhaps 10 trucks, plenty of level spots for tents, and the trail circles around it.

If you don't remember where the trail starts, you're SOL. :D
If my instructions were clear as mud, you're also SOL, although as you stated there's an abundance of most excellent camp sites all over the place out there.

-Spike

[crawler#976]

Sounds like you are :) I imagine the Prescott contingency will be showing up late afternoon.

...the Chino "contingent" will be arriving Sat morning - keep an ear out on CB 4 if possible! Gotta go into Payson first to get topped off after the drive over.

[BajaTaco]

...the Chino "contingent" will be arriving Sat morning

Aww man, I was hoping we could twist your arm for Friday.



keep an ear out on CB 4 if possible!

Ummm... - you mean channel 4WD 2 right? (146.460)

[BajaTaco]

FYI- there is a most excellent camping spot right near the start of the trail. I will try to describe- right after the trail starts, a road crosses it. This road can be accessed by following the original dirt road that leads to the trailhead for another 100 yeards or so. If you follow this trail-crossing road for perhaps 100 yards beyond where it crosses the trail, you will find the most excellent camp site on your left. Room for perhaps 10 trucks, plenty of level spots for tents, and the trail circles around it.

If you don't remember where the trail starts, you're SOL. :D
If my instructions were clear as mud, you're also SOL, although as you stated there's an abundance of most excellent camp sites all over the place out there.

-Spike

Excellent instructions Spike - thanks for the tip :beer:

[ShottsCruisers]

You afraid of a little rain on the 100? Does it lose all capability in the snow?:D

Not really, but if it's a mess out there I have the Lexus to hurt. Last time dry I put the LExus door into a huge rock. http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/90017469-M.jpg

[crawler#976]

Ummm... - you mean channel 4WD 2 right? (146.460)

nope, the 2M rig is in the Taco...and I've been procrastinating on getting a HT. Haven't decided on a tri, dual, or just a cheap 2M yet.

The BPOS is a great rock rig - but not so good as a camping rig. I have a hell of a time finding room for a cooler an a couple gas cans, let alone cool weather camping gear. I'll be leaving Chino at 6:00 AM...gonna be a sloooooooooow drive up hill from Camp Verde :smiley_drive:

[goodtimes]

Not really, but if it's a mess out there I have the Lexus to hurt. Last time dry I put the LExus door into a huge rock.

Leave the school bus at home. You know as well as I do that you are going to run the last section of trail no matter what you bring (:violent-smiley-031: ), so just save yourself the gray hair and bring the lexus. :elkgrin:

[ShottsCruisers]

Leave the school bus at home. You know as well as I do that you are going to run the last section of trail no matter what you bring (:violent-smiley-031: ), so just save yourself the gray hair and bring the lexus. :elkgrin:

You know what....I'm not going through another $200 drive shaft. I ran the last little bit already, spent 2 hours getting my buddy Mike up and out due to a bent rear arm...I go to the 3rd road crossing and retire. Really.

So, the Great Big Whale goes......

[BajaTaco]

nope, the 2M rig is in the Taco...and I've been procrastinating on getting a HT. Haven't decided on a tri, dual, or just a cheap 2M yet.

The BPOS is a great rock rig - but not so good as a camping rig. I have a hell of a time finding room for a cooler an a couple gas cans, let alone cool weather camping gear. I'll be leaving Chino at 6:00 AM...gonna be a sloooooooooow drive up hill from Camp Verde :smiley_drive:

Gotcha ;) I forgot you wouldn't be in the taco!

[crawler#976]

http://www.stu-offroad.com/others/movies.htm

Has a recent video of a BFG organized run from Oct of this year.

[MaddBaggins]

What time are you heading North? I'll be leaving home sometime in the morning.

...assuming of course that I get the jeep back in time. It heads to the shop to "recover" from the Expedition Trophy 2006, Monday morning.

I'm gonna go into work for a couple of hours in the EARLY am and plan on getting on the road around 10am.
Wanna caravan?
Last time I went up there I cut through FJ to Mesa, past the lake and then onto the highway.

Spike, thanks for the destructions, clear as mud.

[Robthebrit]

In that movie I saw lots of revving engines and spinning wheels, not a good example of how to tread lightly even though the text at the start said BFG was dedicated to it. I saw nobody from the sponsor companies actively promoting even the most basic of tread lightly principles, for example explaining to people not to spin wheels especially in the wet or putting the rocks back where they got them from. In fact, I question the idea of taking 30 vehicles through any trail in the rain, sure most of this trail is bedrock but trucks at the end had mud spray all up their sides and that mud came from spinning wheels on the trail.

Tread lightly is so important for trails such as Pyeatt because it has got a lot of attention lately in the press. At the current rate it will be wrecked in a couple years.

Rob

[-Spike-]

Well Robthebrit, I need to thank you for making me watch that. I read your scathing review of the trail manners of those involved with that run, and had to see for myself. I guess we have different ideas about irresponsible off road driving. I only saw one instance of tires going around more than one revolution, and that was on a slickrock ledge- I doubt if he hurt the trail there. I must have missed the rocks being moved and not replaced, although it's entirely possible the ones you saw moved got replaced sometime in the other 4+ hours of the run that were not recorded. You were right about the mud on the sides of trucks, although the 3 miles of muddy road that must be traversed to get to the trail might have contributed. In fact, my wife's truck still has mud from that road from 3 months ago- and she didn't run the trail itself, she joined me at the trailhead to camp for the night after I ran it.

Although it must sound like it, I'm not here for an arguement. I honestly only watched the video to put faces to the wheelers who would trash a trail that I love dearly. I wheel here in Arizona quite a bit, and chances are that I would know them or run across them in the future. I'm glad to say that I'd be proud to wheel with any of them, in my opinion that video could be a promotional for the TreadLightly group. That trail ain't no forest road, and in my honest opinion a half-revolution of tire slippage isn't 'wheel spin'. I felt it necessary to post this in case someone else reads your opinions and might have a bad impression about the people involved without actually watching the video. I'd invite anyone who might feel that way to watch the first 10 minutes at least- I know an hour is a long time to watch other people wheel- you can rest assured that it doesn't get any worse. My compliments to the organizers and especially Rim Country 4 Wheelers- you all did yourselves proud.

-Spike

[crawler#976]

Spike, I concure - there was absolutely nothing in that video that even begins to damage the trail. The spotting was effective for those that needed it, and I saw no wholesale stacking being done.

From what I've seen via pics, Pyeatt Draw is very typical of the rock trails in AZ. After the first major spring flood/monsoon runoff there is no evidence the area has ever been used. Having 2 to 3 feet of flood water moving at 20+ MPH tends to be a pretty effective eraser...

The video also clearly states the road in was slick. The area is typical of AZ - the roads get slick due to the high clay content or the materials used to "improve" it, yet the surface is wet only a 1/2" or so deep in most cases. The only time serious damage can occure is during the spring melt, and most roads are closed by the USFS if the area is sensitive.

[Robthebrit]

I come from a country where there is zero offroad drving, i am not talking about minimal, I am talking about none. Sure there are half mile dirt roads across the odd farmers field and a few worn out real roads but in both cases they are roads, the only place you can drive in trail like conditions are used quarries and things like that for which you have to pay for.

My opionion is that I don't drive trails for the sake of it, I drive them to get to where I want to go. Likewise, I don't drive on obsticales just for the hell of it, to test my axle flex or to generally show off. I don't do this in case I break the truck, get it stuck or tip it up and lose all the fluids, all of which have varying degrees of consequence for the environment. Finally I do not attempt to drive on anything where there is any risk of spinning a wheel, leave 'NO' trace means just that, it does not mean leave a little bowl at the bottom of every obstical where somebody was spinning their wheels. These bowls cause water to do more errosion than it normally would and in some cases has caused the trails to become one way.

The above does not mean I only drive dirt roads, far from it. What it does mean is if the weather is against me I'll take it easy or even turn around and make a note to go back when the conditions are better.

Since Pyeatt has been getting so much press it needs special care, above and beyond what is normal. It depressing to back to a once popular trail when everybody has moved on to the next cool place to find vandalism, trash, car parts, more car parts which have been shot up, oil slicks, ruts and black on rocks etc. I am not saying the people in the video were doing all of these things but we are all part of the problem and only we can fix it.

I am not here to argue, I was just stating my point of view so lets agree to disagree as everytbody thinks their opinion is correct.

Rob

[ShottsCruisers]

I did not have the time yet to watch the video but I sure plan on it.

I will say that on this trip coming up we will adhere to the Tread Lightly theme. With Zen-wheeler Scott Brady being a co-leader along with other off-roading enthusiasts attending, it will be our goal to have the maximum amount of fun, though within the boundaries of the Tread Lightly campaign.

Look very forward to this trip.

[crawler#976]

Hey Mr. B'Taco -

I'll be hollerin' on FWD 2 - got another Yaesu ordered today

...and I've come back to my senses and removed the BPOS from the classified


:sombrero:

[Robthebrit]

I have no concerns about the upcoming trip led by Scott and the guys on this group. I am sure it will be conducted well within what is acceptable by Tread Lightly.

Rob

[crawler#976]

Rob,

Guess we take our freedoms a bit too much for granted here in the Great State of Arizona. The opportunities we have for access to State Trust, BLM, National Forest, and even National Monuments and Parks is pretty amazing. I've got literally thousands of miles of dirt roads and trails in the 75 miles surrounding my home - from graded to stuff so extreme I'm happy to watch, but won't EVEN attempt to drive it.

The "wash" trails are examples of both the best and the worst of OHV use. When used properly, they provide a similar rush to any other extreme sport like rock climbing, back country skiing, or parachuting. When used badly, it make those of us who are responsible look very bad. I guess the same applies to other sports like hunting/shooting...

People like myself take great care to avoid environmental damage, and carry the same type of equipment mandated by SCCA road rally rules for contaminant mitigation/removal. We participate in cleanups, always take out others trash, and in general, leave the place in better shape than we found it.

I'd really like to have you come over and join us some time for an easy run - I think you'd enjoy it!

Mark

[ShottsCruisers]

Oh man...what a forecast we have for our trip!

HIGH TEMPS OF 65-73 degrees. Could we ask for anything more?

:1888fbbd:

[DaktariEd]

...Could we ask for anything more?

:1888fbbd:

Yes...we could ask for 1 more rig to pull out and let me come!!!

:D

[crawler#976]

For you 2 Meter geeks...

here's a couple local area repeaters:

Mt Ord +147.360, PL tone 162.2, call W7MDY (verified active, part of the RIM LINK - I can easily contact Mesa/Scottsdale from Prescott!!)

Mt Ord -146.920, PL tone162.2, call W7MDY (verified active)

Mt Elden +147.140, PL tone 162.2, call W7ARA , Flagstaff Linked to Mt Ord 147.360 (verified active)

Payson +147.390, PL tone 100.0, call KC7YYM (???verified???)

Mingus Mt +147.220,PL tone 162.2, call W7EI (verified active)

I'll be scanning with simplex FWD 2 146.460 as the primary channel.

[MaddBaggins]

Yes...we could ask for 1 more rig to pull out and let me come!!!

:D

You live in the east side of Tucson right? So do I. I think you should just follow me up there friday morning. I mean if you show up and anyone gets butthurt, you can have my slot and I will drive alone ahead or behind the group.

My humble .02

[seth_js]

You live in the east side of Tucson right? So do I. I think you should just follow me up there friday morning. I mean if you show up and anyone gets butthurt, you can have my slot and I will drive alone ahead or behind the group.

My humble .02

word. hell, i'll give up my spot first. i'm probably the newest guy here and I don't think anyone really cares for me anyways. :p

[articulate]

word. hell, i'll give up my spot first. i'm probably the newest guy here and I don't think anyone really cares for me anyways. :p
Awwww!

I care.
:huggie smilie:
:smiley_drive:

[goodtimes]

Awwww!

I care.
:huggie smilie:
:smiley_drive:

sheesh....next thing you know, 'yall will be sharing electric blankies and stuff....:yikes:

[seth_js]

sheesh....next thing you know, 'yall will be sharing electric blankies and stuff....:yikes:

Ah yes, the 12-volt heated variety. :p

Man, I'm looking forward to this trail. So just to clarify, there are bypasses for obstacles like the one that eats drive shafts and such? I really don't care for any more body damange or any busted components. I have trips planned for the next three weeks.

[seth_js]

For those that are camping Friday night, are we meeting you guys at the trailhead or at the parking lot?

[Scott Brady]

I am working flat out, so just give me a GPS coordinate or some directions to camp.

Fortunately, the truck is pretty much fuel and go right now.

[goodtimes]

l. So just to clarify, there are bypasses for obstacles like the one that eats drive shafts and such?

From what I understand....yes. But after John takes the latte-mobile through there, the peer pressure will be so great that no one will bypass anything. ;)

--j/k (about the peer pressure, John will be taking the school bus through there....)

[goodtimes]

I'm gonna go into work for a couple of hours in the EARLY am and plan on getting on the road around 10am.
Wanna caravan?

Sure, assuming 2 things.

1: You don't mind driving slow. The jeeps gas milage goes to crap over ~70mph....

and:

2: If I get my jeep back on time (it is at the shop having the front axle housing straitened--apparently there is a first time for everything).

[ShottsCruisers]

From what I understand....yes. But after John takes the latte-mobile through there, the peer pressure will be so great that no one will bypass anything. ;)

--j/k (about the peer pressure, John will be taking the school bus through there....)

Both my upper rear arm bushings are shot in the 100. My PS arm moves freely back and forth. There's noise noise noise. I should have new arms Wednesday so the Big Orca Whalemobile should be there. I plan on bypassing nothing except the ShaftEater. (Sorry Times)

OH!! AND YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE DAKTARI ED THERE IS OVERWHELMING.....BUT YOU'RE TOO LATE. SCOTT AND I ALREADY TOLD HIM TO SHOW! :victory: :D

That's it though folks. We can't have any other "show-ups" or we'll be in there for too long. Thanks!

[Brian McVickers]

From what I understand....yes. But after John takes the latte-mobile through there, the peer pressure will be so great that no one will bypass anything. ;)

--j/k (about the peer pressure, John will be taking the school bus through there....)


I'm sure I will be taking some bypasses. The pucker factor is already setting in on me and it's only Tuesday! :peepwall:

[ShottsCruisers]

I'm sure I will be taking some bypasses. The pucker factor is already setting in on me and it's only Tuesday! :peepwall:

No worries. Mike went through here with us in McRover. The Disco did GREAT until the bent rear arm on the very last stretch (near the ShaftEater). There were some places where his lockers helped for sure. I think you might have MORE fun that the rest due to traction control. Count your blessings! :sombrero:

[goodtimes]

I plan on bypassing nothing except the ShaftEater.
Yea, I've heard that before.....you'll do it. You'll see a couple of us do it and make it look easy...then you'll start thinking "damn, I bet I could get the big orca whale-mobile over that without any problem....", and then we'll spot you over it, and then you'll pry the seat out of your :shakin:, and then you'll wonder why you even thought twice about it....

:gunt:

[ShottsCruisers]

Yea, I've heard that before.....you'll do it. You'll see a couple of us do it and make it look easy...then you'll start thinking "damn, I bet I could get the big orca whale-mobile over that without any problem....", and then we'll spot you over it, and then you'll pry the seat out of your :shakin:, and then you'll wonder why you even thought twice about it....

:gunt:

Yer right....but I've already done that obstacle. 4 bent rear d-shafts out of 5 80's. I've already had the fun experience on ShaftEater. :chowtime:

[ShottsCruisers]

By the way Brian....we're hoping you'll try to bypass the ShaftEater and climb right up the rock wall instead. I bet you could make it. The far right side of this pic:


http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/90018387-L.jpg

[seth_js]

About how long does it take to get from the 260/87 intersection to the parking lot on houston mesa?

[crawler#976]

.....I bet you could make it. The far right side of this pic:


No problem - it's got great notches for d'shafts at several points.

[ShottsCruisers]

About how long does it take to get from the 260/87 intersection to the parking lot on houston mesa?

Oh....about 12 minutes from AZ260/87 to Shoofly Ruins parking lot.

[Brian McVickers]

About how long does it take to get from the 260/87 intersection to the parking lot on houston mesa?

Seth
When are you going?
Let's coordinate! :smiley_drive:

[Brian McVickers]

By the way Brian....we're hoping you'll try to bypass the ShaftEater and climb right up the rock wall instead. I bet you could make it. The far right side of this pic:


http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/90018387-L.jpg


Great! Thanks for the encouragement John! "I bet you could make it" goes right along with "hold my beer and watch this!"

[ShottsCruisers]

Great! Thanks for the encouragement John! "I bet you could make it" goes right along with "hold my beer and watch this!"

Wrong Brian. :) I was referring to Goodtimes.

Well, none of us folks in MWB or LWB would try that line. I'd have a V-cracked Cruiser afterwards.

Mike McDonald said he thought Leo could get his D90 up that rock face. I think Goodtimes Brian and 40-series DaktariEd have shot though.

[ShottsCruisers]

Not sure Crawler976 could climb that either? Be neat to try. I think SWB is needed.

[crawler#976]

I'm only 106" :hehe:

[ShottsCruisers]

I'm only 106" :hehe:

Did anyone in your group climb that rock wall next to the above pic?

[crawler#976]

never been on the trail...but that's just a wee little ledge :peepwall:

[Brian McVickers]

Man, This is going to be fun to watch!! :lurk:

Comfortably, from the bypass ofcourse! :ylsmoke:

[ShottsCruisers]

Man, This is going to be fun to watch!! :lurk:

Comfortably, from the bypass ofcourse! :ylsmoke:

That's the one BYPASS I don't plan to do again. (ShaftEater) Goodtimes is on a mission to get the Toyota Boeing 767 owner to do it any how. For some reason, Brian's been the only person to get me to do things nobody else can. Damn. He's coming! :hehe:

[goodtimes]

For some reason, Brian's been the only person to get me to do things nobody else can. Damn. He's coming! :hehe:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/evil/teu80.gif
Like I said.......

[-Spike-]

By the way Brian....we're hoping you'll try to bypass the ShaftEater and climb right up the rock wall instead. I bet you could make it. The far right side of this pic:


http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/90018387-L.jpg

Dennis (Alacran on some boards) in his white Cherocar has done it, along with several other Cherocars and a CJ- all with winches (some of them didn't drive away- worse driveshaft carnage than Shafteater will ever produce). I know of only one guy who has done it without any help, in a Nissan Frontier ('slightly' modded). I'm sure any decent buggy could do it. I'd try it if I had a winch, but I'd probably better wait for that and some stronger rear control arms I'm planning to make.

-Spike

[crawler#976]

OK, once past the "filter" as the ledge is called, is there an exit prior to the final obstical? Without a winch, I'm not gonna play on that...

[-Spike-]

The 'filter' is the name for the final obstacle, shown on page 6 in posts 53 and 54. That's the end of the trail. 'Shafteater' (as Shottz has named it) is the bypass for the ledge pictured on page 13 in post #129. The LandCruiser in that pic has just navigated 'Shafteater' (and incidentally was the only LC to navigate it without driveshaft damage that day, other than mine- which was repaired and moved up out of the way after it got eaten the last time I ran it).

Most people who don't plan on running the Filter exit the trail before Shafteater, at the last point the forest road crosses the creekbed. That forest road crossing marks the change between 'Lower' and 'Upper' Pyeatt Trail. After exiting Lower, you can follow the forest road a couple of hundred yards and park right above the Filter and watch the fun there.

I would personally rate Lower as a 3.5 on a 5 scale, with Upper being a 4-4.5, as it requires a winch.

-Spike

[ShottsCruisers]

The 'filter' is the name for the final obstacle, shown on page 6 in posts 53 and 54. That's the end of the trail. 'Shafteater' (as Shottz has named it) is the bypass for the ledge pictured on page 13 in post #129. The LandCruiser in that pic has just navigated 'Shafteater' (and incidentally was the only LC to navigate it without driveshaft damage that day, other than mine- which was repaired and moved up out of the way after it got eaten the last time I ran it).

Most people who don't plan on running the Filter exit the trail before Shafteater, at the last point the forest road crosses the creekbed. That forest road crossing marks the change between 'Lower' and 'Upper' Pyeatt Trail. After exiting Lower, you can follow the forest road a couple of hundred yards and park right above the Filter and watch the fun there.

I would personally rate Lower as a 3.5 on a 5 scale, with Upper being a 4-4.5, as it requires a winch.

-Spike

Your words painted a perfect picture of the story in my head. See ya there Spike!

[crawler#976]

well, if I can crawl the ledge, I'll exit via the "shaft eater"...

[crawler#976]

FYI:

For those of ya who are camping tomorrow, keep an eye peeled after dark - the Leonid meteor shower is gonna be occuring! While we're not in a prime viewing location, there should still be more meteors than normal.

It's a also a new moon, so one ones you do see should be BRIGHT!

[DaktariEd]

Actually the Leonids are not visible here in AZ.
It will be an East Coast show and maybe only for 30 minutes: Leonids (http://skytonight.com/observing/home/4663951.html)
Sorry about that!
I had been looking forward to them, then discovered that Leo won't be visible...shoot!
:(

[ShottsCruisers]

Well..I'm chasing a problem with my 100-series, but I'm bringing it any how. It's making a low-pitched "springy" type of vibration sound from the rear axle area when I hit a bump. It lasts for a second or so then is quiet.

We found my upper rear arm bushings were toast and my dude slapped new arms on yesterday. The sound's still there but he's unavailable.

I know he felt around under there already, though he stopped when he found the bad bushings. So, something else is still wrong.

I'll be at the meeting place at 9 AM if anybody who knows trucks could take a peek before the run. I'd sure appreciate it. If not...I'll count on Land Cruiser reliability to get me home. :088:

[Scott Brady]

Ok, I am looking to get a little more clear on plan for camp tomorrow night.

The only thing I know is that Houston Mesa Road comes out just north of town and heads NE. Then, it intersects Pyeatt Draw Road (NF-198).

Are there camps near that intersection (where it looks like the trail to the Draw starts)?

I will be on CB4 and monitor 146.460.

I do not know what time yet. Probably leave Prescott around 3:30 pm.

[ShottsCruisers]

Scott: I think there's more camping spots once you top the mesa closer to the start of the trail.

We'll be motel-ing it. If anyone needs me my cell is 520-975-1723. This is my last post. SEE YA!

[DaktariEd]

Although the Leonids are not visible, you may be able to see Comet Swan:

Comet SWAN is still in good view for binoculars and telescopes in the western sky after dusk this week, though it's much faded from a couple weeks ago. At least there's no more moonlight. It's crossing southeastern Hercules, as shown at right; you'll need the detailed chart. See our online article and the November Sky & Telescope, page 60.
Look due west about 15 degrees above the horizon...

[MaddBaggins]

Rig is packed and ready to go and I just got home from a few hours of work, and my wife is taking her mom to the hospital. She has been having some chest pains and numbness so I'm pretty sure we won't be there today.
If it turns out everything is OK then we will try to be there tomorrow.