Taco in the water (snorkel)

[dieck]

Hey guys,

How sea worthy is a taco? I'd like to get a snorkel, but in reality, if I got water over the hood, wouldn't a myriad of electrical devices under the hood short out?

I'm sure you guys have practical experience with this.

Thanks!

Heath

[mountainpete]

I would suggest reading through this recent post...

Snorkel Wars (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2299)

As you can see, there are a lot of differing opinions.

For your specific truck, I would be concerned for with water and the supercharger. Cold water on a hot supercharger isn't a good idea.

Pete

[flyingwil]

How sea worthy is a taco?
The Taco sucks as soon as you no longer can see the beach. Seems to sink like a rock in heavy wave... I would suggest a boat for the sea.

I'd like to get a snorkel, but in reality, if I got water over the hood, wouldn't a myriad of electrical devices under the hood short out?
Heath- Check this thread out:Waterproofing your vehicle (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330&highlight=waterproofing)


I'm sure you guys have practical experience with this.

Thanks!

Heath

Not really, since I do not have a SC like Pete stated it might be an issue. sorry for the first answer hope you can tell I am joking.

[dieck]

The Taco sucks as soon as you no longer can see the beach. Seems to sink like a rock in heavy wave... I would suggest a boat for the sea.

Heath- Check this thread out:Waterproofing your vehicle (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330&highlight=waterproofing)



Not really, since I do not have a SC like Pete stated it might be an issue. sorry for the first answer hope you can tell I am joking.

thanks. I get the joke. Was just wondering why you see so many snorkles. The mindless lemming in me saw one for the first time on the dante's peak suburban and had to have one. The engineer in me thinks its probably pointless on a taco... Just wondering if I was missing anything.

[dieck]

I would suggest reading through this recent post...

Snorkel Wars (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2299)

As you can see, there are a lot of differing opinions.

For your specific truck, I would be concerned for with water and the supercharger. Cold water on a hot supercharger isn't a good idea.

Pete

Thanks for the kind response. I've been wading in ttora lately an am used to having to wear my asbestos underwear.

[flyingwil]

Thanks for the kind response. I've been wading in ttora lately an am used to having to wear my asbestos underwear.


Good luck! I think most of the snorkels here are not for the water, but for the dust at least that is my opinion from my neck of the woods.

[Redback]

A snorkle is essential for dusty conditions, trust me i know, Australia is a giant dust bowl:hehe: that's one reason we drink lots of beer too:beer: a mans not a camel yaknow:elkgrin:

Anyway the snorkle with the pre cleaner for really dusty conditions is good.
http://www.bta4wd.com/images/droopie2.jpg

Also having this spinning intake at the top is good for the dust rather than the ram intake.
http://www.roverworld.com/images/Products/Snorkel-06_small.jpg
http://www.roverworld.com/images/Products/Snorkel-01.jpg

Just more options to look at.

Baz.

[mountainpete]

Anyway the snorkle with the pre cleaner for really dusty conditions is good.
http://www.bta4wd.com/images/droopie2.jpg


Baz, I have never seen a pre-cleaner like that before. Would you happen to have any more details on it?

[Redback]

Baz, I have never seen a pre-cleaner like that before. Would you happen to have any more details on it?

This is made by Unifilter/Finafilter, should be available online, they have only been around a short time, a friend of mine uses one in his D90.

Here is the link to Uni-Filter

http://www.uniflow.com.au/

You may of seen these

http://www.uniflow.com.au/contents/media/Air%20Box%20Pre-Cleaner.jpg

A cut away pic

http://www.uniflow.com.au/contents/media/Droopie%20Half_masked.jpg

They come in packs of 3 just go to Products, then 4x4 pre-cleaners.


Snorkel Pre Cleaner
PRECLEAN3 SML A$46.50 (Incl GST)


Snorkel Pre Cleaner
PRECLEAN3 LRG A$46.50 (Incl GST)

Baz.

[dieck]

Can anybody explain the physics behind how the spinning intake prevents dust? Sounds like a novel concept, but I don't understand it. Does it significantly restrict airflow?


A snorkle is essential for dusty conditions, trust me i know, Australia is a giant dust bowl:hehe: that's one reason we drink lots of beer too:beer: a mans not a camel yaknow:elkgrin:

Anyway the snorkle with the pre cleaner for really dusty conditions is good.
http://www.bta4wd.com/images/droopie2.jpg

Also having this spinning intake at the top is good for the dust rather than the ram intake.
http://www.roverworld.com/images/Products/Snorkel-06_small.jpg
http://www.roverworld.com/images/Products/Snorkel-01.jpg

Just more options to look at.

Baz.

[mountainpete]

This is made by Unifilter/Finafilter, should be available online, they have only been around a short time, a friend of mine uses one in his D90.

Here is the link to Uni-Filter

http://www.uniflow.com.au/



They come in packs of 3 just go to Products, then 4x4 pre-cleaners.


Snorkel Pre Cleaner
PRECLEAN3 SML A$46.50 (Incl GST)


Snorkel Pre Cleaner
PRECLEAN3 LRG A$46.50 (Incl GST)

Baz.

Thanks Baz!

[pskhaat]

Can anybody explain the physics behind how the spinning intake prevents dust?

As air is pulled upwards and into the cylonic intake it has angled fins making the air go around in circles. Dust and dirt are the heavier particles and thus like a cetrifuge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge) `throw' the dust to the edges where it is collected vs the clean air that is sucked down the middle into the engine.

[TACODOC]

I think its pretty simple really,
The can on top keeps the dust in a chamber where the heavy particles collect, you empty it occasionally. Kinda like the fording kit does on a USMC Hummer or the air filters commonly seen on Catarpillar heavy equipment.
Make sense?

[Davids90toy]

yeah the snorkel is good for dusty conditions but there are some times that u need it. me and my dad are take my 90 toy and his 01 taco up to run the oregon back coutry trail and we have to do some water crosings and some previous runners have gone with out snorkels and had to be towed out by the FJ-40.

Snorkels do let you go a little bit deeper aslong as you dont stay in the water and your just crossing through. The two TJ's that went without snorkels got stuck then they came back with there tacos with snorkels and went all the way. so as u can see snorkels help alitle bit. but mainly used for dust.

Does any one if those pre cleaners work on the safari snorkel for the 90 P/U and 01 Taco?

you can see the 90 toy and 01 taco at the fallowing site.

www.4wheeltoys.com

[cruiseroutfit]

...Does any one if those pre cleaners work on the safari snorkel for the 90 P/U and 01 Taco...

I'm not sure, but I intend to find out soon. A local club member bought a handful of them from Aus. a year or so ago, and we found out they don't fit the FJ40/60 or 80 as I recall. I'm going to measure the OD/ID of my Tacoma snorkel and see if its any different... Though as I recall SS only makes a single intake unit, so they are likely all the same size.

[Redback]

I'm not sure, but I intend to find out soon. A local club member bought a handful of them from Aus. a year or so ago, and we found out they don't fit the FJ40/60 or 80 as I recall. I'm going to measure the OD/ID of my Tacoma snorkel and see if its any different... Though as I recall SS only makes a single intake unit, so they are likely all the same size.

I'm pretty sure there are 2 sizes, 2 1/2" and 3" tops on Safari Snorkles as is Airtec and Mantec snorkles too.

[cruiseroutfit]

I'm pretty sure there are 2 sizes, 2 1/2" and 3" tops on Safari Snorkles as is Airtec and Mantec snorkles too.

Safari's are 3" & 3.5" I beleive...

[Redback]

Yep my mistake, sorry, fat fingers:peepwall:

[cruiseroutfit]

So it looks like the Tacoma is the only 3" ID (versus the 3.5" of the 40/60/80's Toyotas). I talked to my buddy here in SLC, his Unifilters are all 3" OD, 2.6" ID so so they will not fit the Tacomas??

Anyone in need of one (or 10 :D), he's looking to unload them... I can get more details if anyone is intersted...

[cruiseroutfit]

I'm going to have a couple of the Unifilters in my hands this afternoon... I'll report back on what they fit...

[racinkid13]

Good luck! I think most of the snorkels here are not for the water, but for the dust at least that is my opinion from my neck of the woods.

my experience, if you wanna use a snorkle for water, i suggest shoo goo the connections.

[Davids90toy]

do they fit on a 90 P/U if they do ill pick one up the 4wd parts down here carries them

[racinkid13]

I believe they make one for a 90.

[cruiseroutfit]

do they fit on a 90 P/U if they do ill pick one up the 4wd parts down here carries them

Toyota Pickup - $352.75
Retail $503.84
(Fits 89'-93' 22RE-4Cyl.)
Part# ARB SS105HF

Toyota Pickup - $352.75
Retail $503.84
(Fits 89'-94' V6-3.0L)
Part# ARB SS130HF

[bootzilla]

Hey guys,

How sea worthy is a taco?

Heh heh...somehow I missed this thread. I think this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0UVI99R8Q)shows how sea-worthy a Taco is...if you haven't seen it before - it is hightly entertaining, and a testament to just how tough a 'yota is!

Gotta love those brits and Top Gear!

[dieck]

Yeah, but that's a hilux. Different beast than a tacoma. I don't think the current or previous gen tacoma would be half that tough (sadly)


Heh heh...somehow I missed this thread. I think this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0UVI99R8Q)shows how sea-worthy a Taco is...if you haven't seen it before - it is hightly entertaining, and a testament to just how tough a 'yota is!

Gotta love those brits and Top Gear!

[jrsteffes]

Heh heh...somehow I missed this thread. I think this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0UVI99R8Q)shows how sea-worthy a Taco is...if you haven't seen it before - it is hightly entertaining, and a testament to just how tough a 'yota is!

Gotta love those brits and Top Gear!


Neat video!

[doublej]

im alittle new to watering my truck too, but was thinking.. couldnt you silicone the wire connector ends and along the middle where the two meet up?

[viter]

post 85 is mine - http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2299&page=9

I think it is water worthy, but not sure if having a supercharger will make things any worse

I had water go over the hood only briefly (couple seconds) maybe 3-5 times and only due to driving a little faster than I should have and breaking thru the bow wave. As you probably know you have to try to drive at such speed as to create a wave in front of your truck, so that water level in front of the truck is higher and at the engine bay it is lower.

Overall never had problems with electricals yet, except for the starter positive cable connection point getting rusty - just had to take off the positive cable from the starter and clean the area to make it work again (also put some dielectric grease ont here to help protect it from rusting again). I am pretty sure that majority if not all electrical connectors onthe outside of the cabin are made water splash proof from the factory to resist heavy raining and car washes, but something like a fuse box might need a better seal. I have also heard of people trying to protect their ECU's by placing them somewhere higher up in the truck (perhaps siliconing connections could work too).

I have also extended all the breathers from differentials, tranny, and transfer case into the airbox.

Anything greasable will need extra grease due to washout by water, I imagine.

Also, check your steering rack and CV boots before water excursions to make sure they are not ripped, or you are risking getting water/mud/sand inside and destroying the inne tie rod ends and/or CV joints.

Overall I think people kinda exxagerate conductivity of the water, as far as truck electrical system goes. I wash my engine comaprtment with water and it gets on battery positive and negative terminals too and nothing have shortened out. so far ;) now sea water, with lots of salt in it, will be worse, but you don't want to drive much thru sea water anyway as it is a rust ticket, unless you wash your truck right after it veryb well

driving thru deep water sure is fun though! ;)
just do your homework first...

[DaveInDenver]

Toyota Pickup - $352.75
Retail $503.84
(Fits 89'-93' 22RE-4Cyl.)
Part# ARB SS105HF
Is this known to fit the 22R-E? I ask because it looks like according to Safari the SS105HF is designed to fit a 22R and will not line up with the EFI airbox. Just wondering if you've personally installed it on a '89-'95 pickup with a 22R-E and know first hand that it does work.

[kodiak1232003]

Is this known to fit the 22R-E? I ask because it looks like according to Safari the SS105HF is designed to fit a 22R and will not line up with the EFI airbox. Just wondering if you've personally installed it on a '89-'95 pickup with a 22R-E and know first hand that it does work.

i installed a snorkel on an 86 4runner. I'm not sure it it's the same part number, but my 4runner did have a 22re. The snorkel kit did not include the hose that connects from the factory airbox to the snorkel. it had to be fabbed up.

again, not sure if the 86 22re would be the same setup as the 89-85...

most people solve this "parts deficiency" with a trip to home depot and about $10 in pvc pipe and elbows...

[kodiak1232003]

its a different application-ss130hf


http://4x4connection.com/images/snork130.gif

[DaveInDenver]

its a different application-ss130hf
That's the snorkel for the V6 of that vintage, but it does look to enter the left fender at about the right place. There's a hole in the inner fender right about there and maybe a different elbow or something would do it.

The SS-105HF looks like it'd come through the fender right where the coil and igniter on my truck are located.
http://www.4wheelsupply.com/arb/snorkelpic-ss105.gif

The outside part of the snorkels are probably the same and that would the owner to adapt it to a 22R-E equipped truck. The problem is that if I'm paying $350 for a snorkel and have to throw away half of the custom molded parts that are designed to seal the air box, then it seems like an awful waste of money.

[kodiak1232003]

That's the snorkel for the V6 of that vintage, but it does look to enter the left fender at about the right place. There's a hole in the inner fender right about there and maybe a different elbow or something would do it.

The SS-105HF looks like it'd come through the fender right where the coil and igniter on my truck are located.
http://www.4wheelsupply.com/arb/snorkelpic-ss105.gif

The outside part of the snorkels are probably the same and that would the owner to adapt it to a 22R-E equipped truck. The problem is that if I'm paying $350 for a snorkel and have to throw away half of the custom molded parts that are designed to seal the air box, then it seems like an awful waste of money.


gotcha, the website didn't mention which motor just a year range.

you're right about the wasted money parts, etc. I wonder if you should just wait for a cheap used one(for whichever model toy)...i think one was selling here for a while....and adapt it. (it would seem you'll have to adapt anything you buy, right?)

[DaveInDenver]

you're right about the wasted money parts, etc. I wonder if you should just wait for a cheap used one(for whichever model toy)...i think one was selling here for a while....and adapt it. (it would seem you'll have to adapt anything you buy, right?)
Yeah, probably. I would have thought there would be more 22R-E (EFI) powered trucks than V6s around the world, but I guess most world trucks would be the 22R (carb) or diesel. Shrug.

[kodiak1232003]

Yeah, probably. I would have thought there would be more 22R-E (EFI) powered trucks than V6s around the world, but I guess most world trucks would be the 22R (carb) or diesel. Shrug.

have you called ARB? i'll bet we're missing something....

mebbe they could clarify either way. that way you won't have a forehead slapping moment!!! :D :D :D

[Scott Brady]

That is cool, I like the prefilter...

My truck has done well in deep water so far.

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/tacoma/action/2007-07-30-30D-IMG_1563.JPG

[taco chaser]

That is cool, I like the prefilter...

My truck has done well in deep water so far.

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/tacoma/action/2007-07-30-30D-IMG_1563.JPGThat looks pretty intense, was the water flowing fast or were you going fast into it? Where was that picture taken?

[Scott Brady]

I was driving relatively slow, the water was flowing fast.

A somewhat controlled activity (i.e. the right vehicle, experienced driver, support available), but certainly not something I would recommend someone doing.

[Clark White]

That is cool, I like the prefilter...

My truck has done well in deep water so far.

http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/tacoma/action/2007-07-30-30D-IMG_1563.JPG

WOW! That is awesome!!!! :REExeSwimmingHL: My expierence with deep water crossing in an 00 Taco is that the electrical is very well sealed from the factory. I also went through and packet dielectric grease into all the connectors. I haven't crossed as much water as in that pic, but I have been through a LOT of water in the swamps of NC, and never had electrical problems. Make darn sure all your boots and any other seals are good though!

[Clark White]

Expeditions West, where was that picture taken?

[taco chaser]

I was driving relatively slow, the water was flowing fast.

A somewhat controlled activity (i.e. the right vehicle, experienced driver, support available), but certainly not something I would recommend someone doing.Wish I was there. Are you going to be in Mojave with us?

[Scott Brady]

Expeditions West, where was that picture taken?

The mountains north of Prescott, during a monsoon. :REExeSwimmingHL:

[Scott Brady]

Wish I was there. Are you going to be in Mojave with us?

Unfortunately, no... I am going to drive ECDD next week though. I should take the truck, but I am kinda falling for that little Disco in the driveway. It would be fun to drive a completely stock truck on that road, go old school.

[taco chaser]

Unfortunately, no... I am going to drive ECDD next week though. I should take the truck, but I am kinda falling for that little Disco in the driveway. It would be fun to drive a completely stock truck on that road, go old school.There's always next year, but it sounds like you've got some cool plans, go Disco for that cadillac ride. Hope to see you around, it's been awhile.

[lionsbreath]

Here you go for some sea going taco
:088: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FshOpPqj88&feature=related