05-07 Tacoma Snorkel Thread

[TACODOC]

I want a snorkel for my 05 Tacoma and I know I'm not alone. :violent-smiley-031:
The new Hilux has one available... 04 and previous Tacoma owners have them. Landcruisers of all years can get them. I hear Volant is even making snorkels for Fords, Chevys, and Dodges.

Now, they are available for the Nissan Titan, new gen Frontier, Hardbody, and Xterra. TJM is also making a snorkel for the D40 series Nissans. Dont get me wrong here, I think it's awesome that the Nissan guys are finally getting aftermarket support, but us new gen Tacoma guys are feeling left out here....

Titan snorkel
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/titansnorkel.jpg

Frontier snorkel, MSRP $278
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/93003ec8676154bd800f63ea03e8c971.jpg

Here is the Nissan parts link (hookin' up the Nissan guys): http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=4175&category_id=f9d8a87925d843840e8ac32a498b260c

Safari Snorkel has been contacted by numerous guys over on TTORA. Here is the official response they gave to Sisyphus over on TTORA...

"When it comes to new models of snorkels, there is several important factors that need to be taken into account. Obviously market size, cost to produce and of course having access to a vehicle. As the Tacoma is not a local model vehicle here in Australia, it becomes very difficult for us to even contemplate producing such a snorkel as we don’t have anything to work off. In order to do so we need to import a vehicle for that sole purpose which as you can imagine is quite an expensive process. The real underlying factor is that the importation needs to be warranted by guaranteed sales. At this stage we have no immediate plans to produce a snorkel for this model, but it is something we constantly monitor. We would look to sell at least 500 before it would be cost effective to produce an item for this model.

Best regards,

James Gruber

Safari Automotive Technologies"

Here is the TTORA snorkel thread link: http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18360

Now, why can't we get them to make us a snorkel for the new Tacoma??? Maybe an enterprising Expedition Outfitter can source us a manufacturer for one???

Jump on here if you are interested in one for your 05 and up Tacoma. Only 497 to go... :violent-smiley-031:

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[asteffes]

I'm in, but only if it has the fit and finish of the nice ARB/Safari snorkels. :D

[cruiseroutfit]

I'm not holding my breath... yet. :shakin:

As I have mentioned before, I'de like to see them made too... but you have to realize ARB's position. I honestly have had very few sales calls for a late Taco snorkel. In some cases it has taken Safari Snorkel (the manufacture) several years to come out with a snorkel, in some case they never even make one (FJ55's for example).

I'm glad to hear of more and more 05' Taco owners looking to modify, as I mentioned I have had less sales calls on the Taco versus other similar new vehicle introductions (FJ Cruiser for example), and when they produce more of the Taco (and its been around a couple years now), that leads me to beleive the market for aftermarket parts isn't really strong.

The market for gen1 Tacomas didn't seem to go anywhere til' they had been on the market for ~5 years... they 80 Series market didn't seem to really take off until they had quit making them. Now, the FJC market on the other hand... its really flying! ARB had bumpers ready from day one, and they still can't keep them in stock. I pre-ordered 10 thinking I would be sitting on them for a while, NOPE... I presold them all before I even put my hands on them :sombrero:

I think a FJC snorkel would sell pretty damn good, or course one that didn't require a hole in the body would even sell better ;)

[TACODOC]

I'm in, but only if it has the fit and finish of the nice ARB/Safari snorkels. :D

Thats what I'm hoping for!

cruiseroutfit, thank you for your marketing perspective!

[UncleChris]

Hey Doc,

I talked to Jim@ARB about this last fall, and his comment was lack of interest in late model taco buyers.

You can put me on the list again.

Keep me posted if you find anything new out!

[TACODOC]

497 to go...

[ssmathis]

I'll add my name to the list. Now down to 496.....

Scott

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[TACODOC]

We only need a few more... :littlefriend:

I refuse to give up.

[cruiseroutfit]

I'm planning on having dinner one of the next couple of nights with my ARB Sales Rep, Chris is a really down to earth guy. I'll run it by him and see what he thinks about it too.

500 is a big number to get a "firm" commitment for... If ARB called me and asked if I wanted in on a pre-order, I don't think I would bite on more than 2 or 3?

I think it would look great on a gen2 Tacoma :cool:, when my 96' bytes the dust its going to be a toss up... I don't like the bigger size of the new Taco relative to the type of terrain I wheel... but they sure are a nice rig!

[Davids90toy]

Here you guys go i personally don thave one but i have a few friends that have some. there gonna wait till all the after market stuff comes for theres i havent been watching to much but they say theres nothing out.. Does any one have some ideas for there truck?

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[TACODOC]

DirtyDC05 over on TTORA made a snorkel in his garage. Hats off to him - they said it couldnt be done and that it wouldnt look good...

I think it looks great!

Parts List
1 Safari Snorkle head
1 3" 60 or 90 deg rubber pipe (home depot)
1 3' long 3" dia black abs pipe (home depot)
1 4"dia 90 deg silicone intake tube (pep boys)
1 4"dia flex intake tube(pep boys)

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48818&page=7&pp=30

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f186/aljd546/IMGP3822.jpg

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[erin]

So when are you borrowing Scott's hole saw????

[TACODOC]

So when are you borrowing Scott's hole saw????

Ummm... I already have a hole saw :sombrero:

[Lost Canadian]

Looks really good for a DIY job. I don't have the need for a snorkel yet but if Safari or some other respectable company has not come out with one by the time my wife and I head for the Yukon I may look back to this post.

[TACODOC]

Safari Snorkel now makes a snorkel for the FJ Cruiser...

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/3_4_front_fj.jpg

...But they STILL don't make one for the 05+Tacoma!

So, we need to keep this idea alive at our level and keep after them especially as our numbers grow!

If you would like to change the situation, email the top dogs here:

Mr. Ben Shaw
Safari Automotive Technologies
Phone : +61 3 9761 7244
Info@safari4x4.com.au

and also CC a copy to:

Mr. Scott Cohen
ARB USA
Customer Service Manager
scohen@arbusa.com

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A TACOMA SNORKEL!!!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/creek-1.jpg

[TACODOC]

Safari, are you reading this? According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tacoma#U.S_Sales

In 2005, Toyota Motor Corporation sold 189,987 Tacoma's.
In 2006, it sold 235,822 Tacoma's.
Over just the 3 summer months of 2007, Toyota broke records selling over 60,000 Tacomas.
With this trend, the rest of 2007 and 2008 will bring record sales numbers for the Tacoma.

[heeltoe989]

I've said it once, I'll say it again, I'm in for a snorkel!!!!!!:wings:

[Nullifier]

I find it hard to bellieve that with that many units out there finding 500 owners willing to put on a snorkel would be hard. However my guess is they will sell 500 FJ units in almost as fast as they sold 500 fj bumpers. The excuse about not having a truck is B.S. since I have no doubt they could get a mock glass mock up made in te u.s. easily. The real deal is they do not want to shellout the $ to make the mold. Especially when they can invest in other models that will sell 10x faster like the new FJ and JK for starters. Has anyone talked to Volant?

[neliconcept]

I find it hard to bellieve that with that many units out there finding 500 owners willing to put on a snorkel would be hard. However my guess is they will sell 500 FJ units in almost as fast as they sold 500 fj bumpers. The excuse about not having a truck is B.S. since I have no doubt they could get a mock glass mock up made in te u.s. easily. The real deal is they do not want to shellout the $ to make the mold. Especially when they can invest in other models that will sell 10x faster like the new FJ and JK for starters. Has anyone talked to Volant?

I have a number for you guys at TJM, that would be a place to ask as well

[Willman]

It's all about time........It will come soon!

:)

[heeltoe989]

yeah just like the TRD Supercharger for the 05+ Taco's. It took a few years but its here/:wings:

[zolo]

ENGINE 3RZ-FE 2.7Litre-I4
SNORKEL #SS135HF
TRUCK IT WAS MADE FOR HILUX 167 SERIES 12/97 TO 3/05

I DID THE RESEARCH FIRST E-MAILED SAFARI TECH, THEY SAID DONT DO IT AND THAT THEY WOULD NOT SUPPLY ANY INFO ON THE 135. I.E. ANGLE LENGTH TO THE AIR BOX OPENING.
LUCKY ME THE SHOP A WAS WORKING AT JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE A 135 SITTING ON THE SHELF I TALKED WITH THE BOSS AND WAS WILLING TO DRILL THE HOLES. JUST SO HAPPENS THAT IT FIT PERFECT I MEAN THE ANGLE WAS RIGHT THE INDENTION ON THE SNORKEL FOR THE ANTENA WAS RIGHT IT FIT QUITE WELL. IT NEEDED SOME FINAGLING TO FIT THE RUBBER HOSE TO THE AIR BOX IN THE INNER FENDER BUT IT IS IN AND LOOKS LIKE IT WAS MADE FOR THE 05+ TACOMAS. I IMAGINE THAT THE 135 WILL WORK FOR THE 4 OR 6 CYLINER BOTH HAVING A US PASS SIDE AIR BOX.

[FlyingWen]

I put in a call today to ARB to inquired about the release date for the FJ snorkel... (the date keeps getting pushed back!)

I mentioned the amount of request we get for snorkels for the 05-08 Tacomas and asked if ARB planned on making a snorkel to fit them. I was told the they "are currently looking into that issue". Whatever that means. If I hear anything about it, I'll be sure to pass the word along!!!

[zolo]

Ok But I Was Just Passing Along That I Have Done A Little Reading And Found A Model That Fits Perfect No Major Rigging.
All Safari Snorkel.
In My Previous Post I Put The Engine, Truck And Model Year It Was Made For And That It Is All Pretty Much He Same Fit For The 05+ Tacoma. Check Out The Pic. Its All Fine And Good To Wait, I Think I Wanted To Do It Simlpy Cause Safari Tech Guys Said Dont Do It, That It Would Be A Bad Idea. Dont Much Like Geting Told I Cant Do Something, We Just Need To Be Smarter Than The Bolts.

[HMR]

Ok But I Was Just Passing Along That I Have Done A Little Reading And Found A Model That Fits Perfect No Major Rigging.
All Safari Snorkel.Nice job!

Do you have any close-up pics? I'm curious to see under the hood also.

[zolo]

I Dont Have Any Close Ups But I Will Get Some Close Up Shots And Engine Bay Shots. Its Very Clean, Im Useing A K&n Filter It Has A Rubber Edge That Seal The Air Box Very Well. Its A Tight Fit In The Inner Fender But It Works.
Patients Is Needed.
I Used A Rubber 90 Degree To Make The Turn In The Inner Fender It Fit Super Tight To The Airbox. Anyhow I Can Give More Info If Anyone Wants. I Will Get More Pics.

[heeltoe989]

Ok But I Was Just Passing Along That I Have Done A Little Reading And Found A Model That Fits Perfect No Major Rigging.
All Safari Snorkel.
In My Previous Post I Put The Engine, Truck And Model Year It Was Made For And That It Is All Pretty Much He Same Fit For The 05+ Tacoma. Check Out The Pic. Its All Fine And Good To Wait, I Think I Wanted To Do It Simlpy Cause Safari Tech Guys Said Dont Do It, That It Would Be A Bad Idea. Dont Much Like Geting Told I Cant Do Something, We Just Need To Be Smarter Than The Bolts.

I totally agree, just like Toyota Canada telling me I shouldn't put a new US spec TRD supercharger on my truck since my truck is made in the USA.

http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9220

which is going on the truck in a few days.:) I hate being told what can't and shouldn't be done.

Good on ya for getting it done and figured out, thats what building a rig is all about.

[cell4soul]

I Dont Have Any Close Ups But I Will Get Some Close Up Shots And Engine Bay Shots. Its Very Clean, Im Useing A K&n Filter It Has A Rubber Edge That Seal The Air Box Very Well. Its A Tight Fit In The Inner Fender But It Works.
Patients Is Needed.
I Used A Rubber 90 Degree To Make The Turn In The Inner Fender It Fit Super Tight To The Airbox. Anyhow I Can Give More Info If Anyone Wants. I Will Get More Pics.

It does look like it was made for your truck, great job. I would definitely like to see some engine bay photos as well when you get a chance. It's funny you did this, because I thought about doing the same mod (using a hilux or other 4.0 V6 Snorkel and making it work), props to you for doing it.

[cell4soul]

My thought was trying the Snorkel for the Prado 120 Series part number SS186HF for the mod, I think the 120 series Prado seems to have more similarly sculpted body lines to the Tacoma than the Hilux, and is available for the 4.0 V6. Here is a link, notice the fender lines on the Prado 120 compared to the Hilux:

http://safarisnorkel.com/docs/snorkel/toyota.html

I might try this when I get a little extra money. Scroll down about half the page on the following link and look at the body lines on the Prado with the ARB bumper.....very, very similar to the Tacoma.

http://safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss186hf/ss186.htm

I'll let you know how it goes, I think I will order one soon, just waiting for the last check from the sale of my business and then the modding continues.

[zolo]

I looked at the Prado # also. The biggest deterent from me using that part # was were the snorkel goes through the fender. It is very far back and the air box on the tacoma is further forwaed and even though they supply that connector piece it might not work.
one- it could be to short witch would suck.
two- the inner fender on the tacoma is very tight i had a hard time just getting my tools in there to tighten hose clamps. it might not fit.

See if you can find a photo of the 167 series Hilux It has the same lines as the Tacoma and the snorkel has the indention for the antenna. Also the 135# goes throught the fender closer to were the airbox comes out making the seal easier to do. I will get some pics to help you out. The snorkels are not cheap no need to buy one that will not work or worst drill a 4" hole through the truck if its a no go.
hope that helps by the way nice truck.

[TACODOC]

Thanks for posting that Zolo!!!

Please post up more pics, especially some of the airbox to fender junction as well as close ups of the exterior fender fitment!

THANK YOU! :wings:

[cell4soul]

I looked at the Prado # also. The biggest deterent from me using that part # was were the snorkel goes through the fender. It is very far back and the air box on the tacoma is further forwaed and even though they supply that connector piece it might not work.
one- it could be to short witch would suck.
two- the inner fender on the tacoma is very tight i had a hard time just getting my tools in there to tighten hose clamps. it might not fit.

See if you can find a photo of the 167 series Hilux It has the same lines as the Tacoma and the snorkel has the indention for the antenna. Also the 135# goes throught the fender closer to were the airbox comes out making the seal easier to do. I will get some pics to help you out. The snorkels are not cheap no need to buy one that will not work or worst drill a 4" hole through the truck if its a no go.
hope that helps by the way nice truck.

I would like to try the same one you used ( since I know the body lines will work ) my only concern or thought would be the Hilux 167 series didn't offer a 4.0 V6 option, my guess is that my air box and your air box aren't in the same spot ( you have the 2.7 L ). Safari's sight has a different part number for the 167 series Hilux even going from the 2.7 L to the 3.4 L, so I am guessing the air box is located in a different spot depending on engine size.

My other option would be to buy the same part number you purchased since the body lines match, and use flex pipe to reach the air box once inside the fender well.

[4Rescue]

Zolo: your truck looks KILLER... I've never seen a short box std cab new Taco, and they look alot smaller and more trail sized than the 4dr's. Nice rig, very utilitarian.

The Snorkel on his truck looks totaly spot on. I'd imagine you could use at least one of the models and just modify the inner fender tube to fit the 05's.

Cheers

Dave

[zolo]

tell u what ill do I will go to the toyota dealer and check out the airbox location on the V6 to my 4.
see were it is.
What we do know--- 1- is that the HF135SS is a great match for the body lines.
2--we know that the inner fender will be tight no matter what.
the 135 comes with a nice rubber piece to fit from the snorkel to the airbox, utilizing that piece and a rubber 90 with a small black PVC 90 with the female ends cut off you sould be in there like swim wear. I will go to the dealer now and find out about airbox local. Be back in a bit. no worries it should work 6 or 4 its all in the connection.

[asteffes]

Ok But I Was Just Passing Along That I Have Done A Little Reading And Found A Model That Fits Perfect No Major Rigging.
All Safari Snorkel.
In My Previous Post I Put The Engine, Truck And Model Year It Was Made For And That It Is All Pretty Much He Same Fit For The 05+ Tacoma. Check Out The Pic. Its All Fine And Good To Wait, I Think I Wanted To Do It Simlpy Cause Safari Tech Guys Said Dont Do It, That It Would Be A Bad Idea. Dont Much Like Geting Told I Cant Do Something, We Just Need To Be Smarter Than The Bolts.

Nice work, Zolo. Many Tacoma owners have been waiting for someone else to figure this out.

[TACODOC]

Now to figure out the fender to 1GR-FE intersection...:confused: :snorkel:

[zolo]

so i went to the dealer and talked with my salesman. He is a pretty cool guy let me check out the V6 and drive one around.
Anyhow here is what I found,
The V6 air hose that comes throught the fender to the filter box is in the same location as the 4 cylinder. Its just that in the 4 the airbox is mounted on the fender well not the engine housing cover.
this is a good thing. since the hole through the fender is in the same location the 135 snorkel # will work 6 or 4. the final connection will be a bit different but from what i could tell you will have more room to work if you have the 6 witch it seems everyone but myself has.
I dont have a dig. camera but my buddy does so I will get those pics for all to see this weekend. {We have a short trip planned} and everyone can decide if its a clean enough fit for themselves or not.

Im more of a function over form sort of fellow but thats just me. And I like to do things that people say dont do. both reasons for such research and info on this damn snorkel. cheers

[Jacket]

You've gone way above and beyond to help out the people of this board. Hats off to you. :clapsmile

[cell4soul]

so i went to the dealer and talked with my salesman. He is a pretty cool guy let me check out the V6 and drive one around.
Anyhow here is what I found,
The V6 air hose that comes throught the fender to the filter box is in the same location as the 4 cylinder. Its just that in the 4 the airbox is mounted on the fender well not the engine housing cover.
this is a good thing. since the hole through the fender is in the same location the 135 snorkel # will work 6 or 4. the final connection will be a bit different but from what i could tell you will have more room to work if you have the 6 witch it seems everyone but myself has.
I dont have a dig. camera but my buddy does so I will get those pics for all to see this weekend. {We have a short trip planned} and everyone can decide if its a clean enough fit for themselves or not.

Im more of a function over form sort of fellow but thats just me. And I like to do things that people say dont do. both reasons for such research and info on this damn snorkel. cheers

Dude, you kick ***! You are helping out more prople than you know right now and your efforts are more than appreicated.

Thanks,

Gerrit

[TACODOC]

Dude, you kick ***! You are helping out more prople than you know right now and your efforts are more than appreicated.

Thanks,

Gerrit

:iagree:

Thanks Zolo! :bigbossHL:

[jbs]

Now to figure out the fender to 1GR-FE intersection...:confused: :snorkel:
Anyone know how the fender/windshield angles compare between the 05+ Tacoma and the 03+ 4Runner? I'd be interested in a snorkel for my 06 V6 4Runner. I'd imagine that if it works for the 1GR-FE Taco, it would probably also work for the 4Runner...

[TACODOC]

I dont have a dig. camera but my buddy does so I will get those pics for all to see this weekend. {We have a short trip planned} and everyone can decide if its a clean enough fit for themselves or not.


:peepwall: :lurk:

[cell4soul]

Dude, you kick ***! You are helping out more prople than you know right now and your efforts are more than appreicated.

Thanks,

Gerrit

Sorry to the Mod, I thought *** was ok for PG audiences now......I here it on primetime television all the time.

[cell4soul]

:peepwall: :lurk:

X2, I would love to see his truck in person. Could you imagine if it was all a photoshop and ARB sold hundreds of these units that didn't work? I am sure Zolo is straight up or he wouldn't have gone through this much effort already, a photoshop hoax is just a ridiculously not so funny thought for those that have been wanting a snorkel.

[zolo]

Ok sorry for the wait no photo shop that would be to easy. so here it is all the small stuff. i will take the fender well apart this week and get those shots along with the engine. So this is a straight up for real thing. I even get the truck a little dirty so as to not seam fake.
I will be able to answer any questions and will post even more photos of this last sun run.
We were on a little exsploration mapping quest witch turned out good, we added trails to our map that were not on it.
thanks and more to come

[zolo]

some more and I will get those fender well and engine shots. sorry for the wait

[zolo]

than life click on pic to see the detail i hope this will work for everyone

[zolo]

once agian click and it should inlarge

[zolo]

i know to many pics, U guys want the real small gritty stuff now, {the fender wells} thats were all the majic happens. I will get the engine shot but everyone needs to remember, I have a 4 but the location of the hole through the fender well is the same as the 6 the 4 has the airbox mounted right on the fender. It will just be a bit easier with the 6 because the airbox is not right there in "the way".
Im sort of stoaked I could share the info and get the word out, Its strange that they would make a snorkel for the new frontier but not the tacoma. I mean the frontier has a aluminum front diff housing! in the name of all things holly thats just not right. to me the tacoma is the perfect truck for every aspect of off road travel.
I drove my 40 every day for six years and across the country 6 times,and it was a 72! after that i was sold on the dependability of all toyota trucks.
Ive had this truck almost 2 years {since it had 9 miles} and now it has 50,000 thouand miles. Its been around.

[cuteo100]

Zolo: Excellent findings! Here are some detailed pictures of this model SS135HF. Perhaps they will help when explaining what needed modification.

http://www.safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss135hf/ss135hf_snorkel_body.jpg
http://www.safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss135hf/ss135hf_hose.jpg
http://www.safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss135hf/ss135_layout.jpg

[Overland Hadley]

Zolo, Thanks so much for this info. You have alot of people very excited here.

[TACODOC]

I cant wait to see the engine bay pics! :D

[zolo]

I wanted to pass this along before I post the finale pics, well for one I dont have them yet but for anyone that might be geting started sooner rather than later.
1- the templat that comes with the 135 needs to only be used for drilling the holes in relation to each other. I.E. to find were the snorkel needs to be on the fender you must align it with the antenna base!2- so what i did was put all the studs in the snorkel first. then i aligned the antenna base with the indention on the snorkel and marked the rear stud hole location. after they were marked I placed the template up to the fender aligning the rear marked holes to find the location on the fender for the other studs and 4" hole.
this is very important! once the rear holes are marked trust the template but measure and recheck like 100 times it toke me for ever and finaly my buddy just yelled at me to drill the hole. Its hard to be the first ya know.

[asteffes]

Hilarious. I can clearly picture this scenario in my head. :)

[viter]

Sorry to the Mod, I thought *** was ok for PG audiences now......I here it on primetime television all the time.

I think it is just software removing anything with ***** in it automatically (not an actual person picking through this) because somebody wrote "a$$uming" or something like that in another post and the software edited it to look like "***uming". :D



and ZOLO, thumbs up to you for figuring this out and taking your time to help others!!!
looks like a great fit to me!!!

[viatierra]

Last night I had a dream...

It included LOTS of 05+ Expo Portal Tacos with snorkels! Anybody out there ready to jump in??

[TACODOC]

Once my rear bumper is on... :drool:

[slooowr6]

Very tempting!

[TACODOC]

Where is the best price on the Safari Snorkel part# SS135HF? :drool:

[cuteo100]

Where is the best price on the Safari Snorkel part# SS135HF? :drool:

$305.11 (MSRP $450.30)
http://www.4wheelsupply.com/cat.cgi?s=SS135HF&c=_&I2.x=30&I2.y=11&I2=Search+Now

[TACODOC]

$305.11 (MSRP $450.30)
http://www.4wheelsupply.com/cat.cgi?s=SS135HF&c=_&I2.x=30&I2.y=11&I2=Search+Now

:yikes:

OUCH! :smilies27

[FlyingWen]

Great Thread guys!

I also saw the SS135HF here: Sierra Expeditions (http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=439) for $305.00. :jump:

If anyone has actual pics of this, I'd love to throw them on the site if you wouldn't mind!

[zolo]

Uhm well i posted i think 5 times with solid photos of a 05+ tacoma with the 135 but if you would like more info just let me know. I dont mind if the truck ends up on your site, just be sure to make aware all the info I have posted about this modification for the Tacoma.

[viatierra]

Great Thread guys!

I also saw the SS135HF here: Sierra Expeditions (http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=439) for $305.00. :jump:

If anyone has actual pics of this, I'd love to throw them on the site if you wouldn't mind!

What do you say we make my Taco the official Sierra Expeditions test bed for this mod (in exchange for one SS135HF with a big red bow on it). Seriously, I'd expect a nice run on these over the next few months.
:rolleyes:

[zolo]

seriously thats the best idea yet,
Any company who wants to sell the 135 for the 05+ tacoma needs to {in my humble opinion} install one first that way they are able to advice folks on what to exspect. and have that knowledge them selves.
I know most folks who would want this could figure it out on there own but its just always better if you are a safari retailer to install it then sell it.

[cruiseroutfit]

Funny I didn't even think of Zolo's truck when this thread originated... though I have personally seen Dans snorkel. :o Really clean install and a neat truck too.

Zolo (Dan), are you still working up in Heber? Last time we chatted (via WC forum) you were getting ready to run the Paria... did you ever go? Use the snorkel? :D

[cruiseroutfit]

...Any company who wants to sell the 135 for the 05+ tacoma needs to {in my humble opinion} install one first that way they are able to advice folks on what to exspect. and have that knowledge them selves.
I know most folks who would want this could figure it out on there own but its just always better if you are a safari retailer to install it then sell it.


Couldn't agree more... seriously a major ideal I take to heart with my business. There are few items we havn't installed... a SS135HF on a 2nd Gen Taco is one of them. :drool:

PS, anyone know the difference between the 135HF and 135HFD?

[zolo]

no I stopped working in heber, to much boss trying to run the shop from Mexico and what not, not really my style being inside and all.
Im still fighting fire for the USFS, in WY now. Never did get to run the Paria, The W. cruiser seemed really 80 heavy that was a big reason for not sticking around with U guys although everyone was really cool at the dunes

[cruiseroutfit]

...Never did get to run the Paria, The W. cruiser seemed really 80 heavy that was a big reason for not sticking around with U guys although everyone was really cool at the dunes

Well let me know when you find yourself in Southern Utah in the future, the Paria is calling my name... and yours too! :D

[zolo]

I shouldnt say the W.C. were to 80 heavy, cause I travel with who ever no matter the rig, 80s or otherwise. i suppose the moving up to the Tetons had the biggest impact on who i traveled off road with. Plus i had to take a few trips acroos the country in the fall and spring after leaving R.R.. The club was great i wished i could have wheeled more with u guys.

[zolo]

also as far as i know difference from the SS135HF and HFD is the D is for the 2.8 diesel, but im 99% sure that the snorkel is the same.

[cruiseroutfit]

I shouldnt say the W.C. were to 80 heavy, cause I travel with who ever no matter the rig, 80s or otherwise. i suppose the moving up to the Tetons had the biggest impact on who i traveled off road with. Plus i had to take a few trips acroos the country in the fall and spring after leaving R.R.. The club was great i wished i could have wheeled more with u guys.

No harm no foul... if you ever find yourself back in Utah look us up. I'm serious about the Paria. :D

[cruiseroutfit]

also as far as i know difference from the SS135HF and HFD is the D is for the 2.8 diesel, but im 99% sure that the snorkel is the same.

I think your right... the bodies are the same, is likely just a different parts kit similar to the different 40 Series kits, etc.

[zolo]

Man let me tell you that before i got the 135, i looked at them all trying to find the right fit, It toke forever. It ended up working out well though and I hope that the info helps who ever wants one for there rig.
Its a pretty cool part thats very functional no matter the rig or the use dust/water it has seemed to be very effective for me for both all over the west.

[TACODOC]

Post up those engine bay pics Zolo! :drool:

[AlexJet]

ENGINE 3RZ-FE 2.7Litre-I4
SNORKEL #SS135HF
TRUCK IT WAS MADE FOR HILUX 167 SERIES 12/97 TO 3/05

I DID THE RESEARCH FIRST E-MAILED SAFARI TECH, THEY SAID DONT DO IT AND THAT THEY WOULD NOT SUPPLY ANY INFO ON THE 135. I.E. ANGLE LENGTH TO THE AIR BOX OPENING.
LUCKY ME THE SHOP A WAS WORKING AT JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE A 135 SITTING ON THE SHELF I TALKED WITH THE BOSS AND WAS WILLING TO DRILL THE HOLES. JUST SO HAPPENS THAT IT FIT PERFECT I MEAN THE ANGLE WAS RIGHT THE INDENTION ON THE SNORKEL FOR THE ANTENA WAS RIGHT IT FIT QUITE WELL. IT NEEDED SOME FINAGLING TO FIT THE RUBBER HOSE TO THE AIR BOX IN THE INNER FENDER BUT IT IS IN AND LOOKS LIKE IT WAS MADE FOR THE 05+ TACOMAS. I IMAGINE THAT THE 135 WILL WORK FOR THE 4 OR 6 CYLINER BOTH HAVING A US PASS SIDE AIR BOX.

Zolo,
Have you looked at SS125HF? It's coming from new HiLux and looks similar to SS135HF except it's not that long, it also designed for 1GR-FE V6 engine, so it should be better with airflow.

http://www.safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss125hf/ss125hf_layout.jpg
http://www.safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss135hf/ss135_layout.jpg

http://www.safarisnorkel.com/guides/TOYOTA/SS125HF.gif
http://www.safarisnorkel.com/guides/TOYOTA/SS135HF.gif

[AlexJet]

tell u what ill do I will go to the toyota dealer and check out the airbox location on the V6 to my 4.
see were it is.
What we do know--- 1- is that the HF135SS is a great match for the body lines.
2--we know that the inner fender will be tight no matter what.
the 135 comes with a nice rubber piece to fit from the snorkel to the airbox, utilizing that piece and a rubber 90 with a small black PVC 90 with the female ends cut off you sould be in there like swim wear. I will go to the dealer now and find out about airbox local. Be back in a bit. no worries it should work 6 or 4 its all in the connection.

I'd love to see the inside picture of how you've done it.

[AlexJet]

There was 1 SS135HF snorkel installed into 4Runner and the guy mentioned of some difficulties.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l183/Aviator_1/Snorkel1.jpg http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l183/Aviator_1/Snorkel2.jpg

Zolo, did you experience any problems in installation like bending it with a heatgun and ajusting gaps?
How does your snorkel looks from this side?

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l183/Aviator_1/Snorkel3.jpg http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l183/Aviator_1/Snorkel4.jpg

[TACODOC]

I'd love to see the inside picture of how you've done it.

:iagree:


There was 1 135 snorkel installed into 4Runner and the guy mentioned of some difficulties.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2215/2152229965_59a2d2e206.jpg?v=0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/2152229961_49629c99d9.jpg?v=0
Zolo, did you experience any problems in installation like bending it with a heatgun and ajusting gaps?
How does your snorkel looks from this side?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2198/2153034062_0f3b78dd23.jpg?v=0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2356/2153034058_05d92f2714.jpg?v=0

I would like to know this as well.

On a side note, it's a damn shame that new Tacoma and 4Runner owners have to "make do" with a Safari Snorkel 135 whilst the FJ (which hasn't been around as long or sold as many units) got one instantly, and it is specifically for the 1GR-FE 4.0.

Tacoma and 4Runner owners here in America are not happy with Safari Snorkel.

Safari Snorkel, are you listening?

[heeltoe989]

:iagree:



I would like to know this as well.

On a side note, it's a damn shame that new Tacoma and 4Runner owners have to "make do" with a Safari Snorkel 135 whilst the FJ (which hasn't been around as long or sold as many units) got one instantly, and it is specifically for the 1GR-FE 4.0.

Tacoma and 4Runner owners here in America are not happy with Safari Snorkel.

Safari Snorkel, are you listening?

X2!!!!!

I'm sick of the FJ getting all the new cool parts. Not too sound winy but an FJ would be the last overland rig I would choose.

A stock Tacoma is a better wheeler and has a tougher rear suspension. A friend of mine has one and him and I went out and he broke a rear trailing arm about 50yrds into the trail.

I love the old LAND CRUSIERS!!!!!, the new FJ is not a cruiser.

[AlexJet]

:iagree:



I would like to know this as well.

On a side note, it's a damn shame that new Tacoma and 4Runner owners have to "make do" with a Safari Snorkel 135 whilst the FJ (which hasn't been around as long or sold as many units) got one instantly, and it is specifically for the 1GR-FE 4.0.

Tacoma and 4Runner owners here in America are not happy with Safari Snorkel.

Safari Snorkel, are you listening?

4Runners still sells 2to1 vs FJ. I think Tacoma even more...

[TACODOC]

4Runners still sells 2to1 vs FJ. I think Tacoma even more...

Exactly my point. Hello Safari Snorkel!?!?!

[Overland Hadley]

:iagree:



I would like to know this as well.

On a side note, it's a damn shame that new Tacoma and 4Runner owners have to "make do" with a Safari Snorkel 135 whilst the FJ (which hasn't been around as long or sold as many units) got one instantly, and it is specifically for the 1GR-FE 4.0.

Tacoma and 4Runner owners here in America are not happy with Safari Snorkel.

Safari Snorkel, are you listening?


x4

[heeltoe989]

Exactly my point. Hello Safari Snorkel!?!?!

Maybe upper management should give there head a shake :coffee:

Wake up and give the consumers what they want.

Not that I need one right now, because everything ounce of water is frozen but I just love the look of them and I would like one.

[zolo]

So Ive been slaking on getting pics up. Working moving some more. Yadda Yadda.
To answer some questions no I did not have to do any bending, with heat or other wise. The pics are on this thread from theout side as far as the135 outer body goes it fits well, just about perfect. The biggest pain was inside the fender. This was the tightest spot. It did take somwork and the use of a piece of 90 deg. PVC. Like I wrote before the V6 in my opinion should be mouch easier due to the fact that the air box is not right on the fender next to the fire wall hole. I also wote that the V6 and 4 have the same location for this hole.
I have spoken to ARB about this in detail for the reason they have not made a perfect Tacoma Snorkel and they say the market is just not there. If you look at the citys back east most tacomas sold are prerunners, no mass market there, If you look at the Tacomas out west many are 4x4 out of need notwant, a handfull are being used for "our" type driving. very small percentage.
Its all about the money.
If folks are really interested in a snorkel the 135 is it, I am sure there will be varients to how people match them to the air box but he thing fits. thats just it. buy one and you will be able to see. my pics on this thread are very detailed and I think are a tru acount for how it looks.

[jbs]

So Ive been slaking on getting pics up. Working moving some more. Yadda Yadda.
To answer some questions no I did not have to do any bending, with heat or other wise. The pics are on this thread from theout side as far as the135 outer body goes it fits well, just about perfect. The biggest pain was inside the fender. This was the tightest spot. It did take somwork and the use of a piece of 90 deg. PVC. Like I wrote before the V6 in my opinion should be mouch easier due to the fact that the air box is not right on the fender next to the fire wall hole. I also wote that the V6 and 4 have the same location for this hole.
I have spoken to ARB about this in detail for the reason they have not made a perfect Tacoma Snorkel and they say the market is just not there. If you look at the citys back east most tacomas sold are prerunners, no mass market there, If you look at the Tacomas out west many are 4x4 out of need notwant, a handfull are being used for "our" type driving. very small percentage.
Its all about the money.
If folks are really interested in a snorkel the 135 is it, I am sure there will be varients to how people match them to the air box but he thing fits. thats just it. buy one and you will be able to see. my pics on this thread are very detailed and I think are a tru acount for how it looks.

Zolo,
Thanks for pioneering this. Based on your experience with the Tacoma, I decided to try with my 06 4Runner. Some of my pics were posted by Alex earlier. I don't think it fits the 4Runner quite as well (different fender shape), so I needed to mold it a bit with a heat gun. But the inside was not too difficult (like you said, more room to work on the V6). Some more of my observations are in this thread:

http://www.toyota120.com/forum/showthread.php?p=32042#post32042

broc

[zolo]

I checked out the pics. I went to your thread on the other site, and yes I believe the runner fender is a bit different. But your pics show more room in the inner fender than on the Tacoma, witch is nice.
While the 135 fit perfect to the Tacoma on the out side my biggest challenges were inside the fender. I was able to make my connection to the airbox in a similar way to yours.
It looks good though. the anntena not being in the pass side of the runner does show off the indention that the 135 has for it. I have to say, it looks good overall. You are the other pioner for the runner folks.
I really think that there will be different connection ways. but the 135 seems to be the right one to start with.
If anyone else wants to do this read this thread and read my suggestions for fitment , I did use the template but in a different manner than the instructions want. You do have to find the correct location with the studs in and only mark and drill those 2 holes then place the template up and drill the rest off of those holes, its pretty fun if you like to build and think.

[AlexJet]

If anyone else wants to do this read this thread and read my suggestions for fitment , I did use the template but in a different manner than the instructions want. You do have to find the correct location with the studs in and only mark and drill those 2 holes then place the template up and drill the rest off of those holes, its pretty fun if you like to build and think.

Zolo, I have '05 4Runner V6 and I want to get SS125HF from new Hilux and SS135HF from previous on. As soon as I'd have both, I'll try to fit them and see which one better fit 4Runner fender. Then I'll install one and will return the other one. I'm on the call with supplier about this. If they have SS125HF in stock, I can do it this month.

[zolo]

After looking at pics of the runner fender compared to the 05+ Tacoma fender it looks like the area from the top of the fender flare to the top of the fender on the runner is smaller.
There seems to be more space on the tacoma. also there is a horizontal body line {angle} on the tacoma that the runner does not appear to have from what I can tell from the pics.
Id say if you find a better fit for the runner good on ya as for the tacoma the 135 still seems to be a good match
Ive loooked at them all on the S.S. blue print page and there does not appear to be a better match for the Tacoma, it has the correct angle for the winshield and the correct length for the inner fender and it has the indention for the anntena that is on the Pass side of the Tacoma.
Also with all this talk about there being a diesel Tacoma in the future, barring Toyota not changing the body there is currently a SS135HF\D availible
{D for Diesel}. This could be a good thing if the air intake is still in a pass side when that truck comes out.

If you do find the 125 a better fit for the runners than the 135 share it to the runner thread they seam to be having the same discussion the tacoma folks are. good luck

[cruiseroutfit]

X2!!!!!

I'm sick of the FJ getting all the new cool parts. Not too sound winy but an FJ would be the last overland rig I would choose.

A stock Tacoma is a better wheeler and has a tougher rear suspension. A friend of mine has one and him and I went out and he broke a rear trailing arm about 50yrds into the trail.

I love the old LAND CRUSIERS!!!!!, the new FJ is not a cruiser.

Guys... you love your chosen rigs as overland rigs, I don't blame you, the Tacoma and 4Runners are excellent platforms. However, there is a reason the FJC is getting 10x's the product coverage... it has 15x's the market IMO. The number of vehicles sold honestly means nothing... its all about the number of vehicle owners wanting to install a snorkel, bumpers, etc. Do you think Safari Snorkel is honestly in a conspiracy to tout the FJC as a better off-road rig than the Tacoma :confused:

My perspective (also biased towards the proven Tacoma platform), the FJC market is waaaaay stronger than the Tacoma/4Runner market will ever be. The users that are buying FJC's mods as such. I get faaaaar more calls for FJC components than I do for Tacomas or 4Runners, sure there are a few die-hards that are building Taco's/4Runners (I have done extensive builds on both recently). Its nothing compared to the FJC stuff... and I know for a fact other shops are getting the same response. You should have seen SEMA, the FJC for a second year in a row stole the show, countless companies using the FJC as their show platform, offering their line of accessories. All these companies can't be wrong ;)

However, I truly hope the aftermarket sector catches up a bit with the new gen Toyotas, it helps us all out ;)

[heeltoe989]

Guys... you love your chosen rigs as overland rigs, I don't blame you, the Tacoma and 4Runners are excellent platforms. However, there is a reason the FJC is getting 10x's the product coverage... it has 15x's the market IMO. The number of vehicles sold honestly means nothing... its all about the number of vehicle owners wanting to install a snorkel, bumpers, etc. Do you think Safari Snorkel is honestly in a conspiracy to tout the FJC as a better off-road rig than the Tacoma :confused:

My perspective (also biased towards the proven Tacoma platform), the FJC market is waaaaay stronger than the Tacoma/4Runner market will ever be. The users that are buying FJC's mods as such. I get faaaaar more calls for FJC components than I do for Tacomas or 4Runners, sure there are a few die-hards that are building Taco's/4Runners (I have done extensive builds on both recently). Its nothing compared to the FJC stuff... and I know for a fact other shops are getting the same response. You should have seen SEMA, the FJC for a second year in a row stole the show, countless companies using the FJC as their show platform, offering their line of accessories. All these companies can't be wrong ;)

However, I truly hope the aftermarket sector catches up a bit with the new gen Toyotas, it helps us all out ;)

yeah its makes sense and its good business for the companies, but we still don't have to like it. :)

[cruiseroutfit]

... but we still don't have to like it. :)

I know, and I wouldn't either :)

[TACODOC]

yeah its makes sense and its good business for the companies, but we still don't have to like it. :)

:iagree: :bigbossHL:

[AlexJet]

Guys... you love your chosen rigs as overland rigs, I don't blame you, the Tacoma and 4Runners are excellent platforms. However, there is a reason the FJC is getting 10x's the product coverage... it has 15x's the market IMO. The number of vehicles sold honestly means nothing... its all about the number of vehicle owners wanting to install a snorkel, bumpers, etc. Do you think Safari Snorkel is honestly in a conspiracy to tout the FJC as a better off-road rig than the Tacoma :confused:

My perspective (also biased towards the proven Tacoma platform), the FJC market is waaaaay stronger than the Tacoma/4Runner market will ever be. The users that are buying FJC's mods as such. I get faaaaar more calls for FJC components than I do for Tacomas or 4Runners, sure there are a few die-hards that are building Taco's/4Runners (I have done extensive builds on both recently). Its nothing compared to the FJC stuff... and I know for a fact other shops are getting the same response. You should have seen SEMA, the FJC for a second year in a row stole the show, countless companies using the FJC as their show platform, offering their line of accessories. All these companies can't be wrong ;)

However, I truly hope the aftermarket sector catches up a bit with the new gen Toyotas, it helps us all out ;)

I agree that percentage of 4Runner and even Tacoma from overall sale numbers are much smaller then FJ which actually wheels. BUT anyway, I still think that Safari lost a huge market and continue loosing. They spend allot of $$$ to design this snorkel, but how many of this vehicles from overall sales will see off-road, not counting the fact that it just started showing up in dealerships: Safari Snorkel SS87HF

http://www.safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss87hf/200_rhs.jpg

http://www.safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss87hf/200_front.jpg

Safari, YOU MUST MADE one for Tacoma and 4Runner !

[TACODOC]

Yeah, most people aren't going to 'wheel a brand new 200 Series Land Cruiser through any water or anything else for that matter... :smilies27

[Sgt Grunt]

Forgive me for not being up to speed, but didn't someone find one the would work from a Hilux or something????????

[heeltoe989]

Yeah, most people aren't going to 'wheel a brand new 200 Series Land Cruiser through any water or anything else for that matter... :smilies27


I WOULD!!!! and I know you would to TACODOC :chowtime:

[cruiseroutfit]

I agree that percentage of 4Runner and even Tacoma from overall sale numbers are much smaller then FJ which actually wheels. BUT anyway, I still think that Safari lost a huge market and continue loosing. They spend allot of $$$ to design this snorkel, but how many of this vehicles from overall sales will see off-road, not counting the fact that it just started showing up in dealerships: Safari Snorkel SS87HF...

I respectfully disagree...

I can gaurantee in 5 years Safari Snorkel will have sold double or triple the amount of 200 Series LC snorkels, versus US spec. Taco/4runner units. Keep in mind the Land Cruiser is a WORLDWIDE market, and markets outside the US (including Aussie where Safari Snorkel is located) outfit brand new vehicles for real work use immediately.

I remember similar murmurs when the 100 Series debuted, and its a popular snorkel these days, lots of 80 owners converting into 100's, the 200 will follow short suit.

You speculate they are losing a "huge market", IMO they have the market pretty dialed in, had they asked for my input on a snorkel between the 200 and the 2nd gen Taco, I would have said the 200 without a bit of hesitation. And how are they losing anything? Unless there is competition, they are merely focusing on the hottest markets at the appropriate time ;) I have no doubt they will produce one, and the sales lost... minimal at best.

[TACODOC]

I WOULD!!!! and I know you would to TACODOC :chowtime:

Yup. I'd drive that thing like I stole it! :shakin:

It's true, I do harbor a secret Land Cruiser fetish...

[heeltoe989]

Yup. I'd drive that thing like I stole it! :shakin:

It's true, I do harbor a secret Land Cruiser fetish...

I wish we just got it here in Canada. It hasn't come to any dealers and I dought we'll get it. Its too cool for us. :) I know I would bought one for the wife if it had come to Canada. I had to settle ( well not really settle) for the Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI. All though I do love the diesel benz's gas milage. I have said on numerous occasions I would love to have the engine from it.

[AlexJet]

I respectfully disagree...

I can gaurantee in 5 years Safari Snorkel will have sold double or triple the amount of 200 Series LC snorkels, versus US spec. Taco/4runner units. Keep in mind the Land Cruiser is a WORLDWIDE market, and markets outside the US (including Aussie where Safari Snorkel is located) outfit brand new vehicles for real work use immediately.

I remember similar murmurs when the 100 Series debuted, and its a popular snorkel these days, lots of 80 owners converting into 100's, the 200 will follow short suit.

You speculate they are losing a "huge market", IMO they have the market pretty dialed in, had they asked for my input on a snorkel between the 200 and the 2nd gen Taco, I would have said the 200 without a bit of hesitation. And how are they losing anything? Unless there is competition, they are merely focusing on the hottest markets at the appropriate time ;) I have no doubt they will produce one, and the sales lost... minimal at best.

Yes and no... You're right Kurt for the market of 200 in general. The point I'm saying is that right now when 200 just start coming to the dealers Safari already has the snorkel designed while Tacoma and 4Runners are on the market for a long time, but nobody, I'm saying nobody, even start designing one. Safari would sell allot of the 200 snorkels, but not now, sometime in 2-3 years and we need one yesterday. After long period ARB realized that they need to produce Tacoma and 4Runner bumpers what they did this year after 5 years of the vehicle on the market and I know many people who got them. This is showing that there is am off-road market for our trucks. Safari owned by ARB and there is no big deal to design or adopt one of the existing models to fit our trucks and I think the money spend on R&D will be paid back with profit.
I hope I got my point clear. If there is a market, you should fight for it and get it. I hope ARB will understand it and offer us something in the future.

[AlexJet]

I wish we just got it here in Canada. It hasn't come to any dealers and I dought we'll get it. Its too cool for us. :) I know I would bought one for the wife if it had come to Canada. I had to settle ( well not really settle) for the Mercedes Benz ML 320 CDI. All though I do love the diesel benz's gas milage. I have said on numerous occasions I would love to have the engine from it.

100% with you on this. I'd love to get one here as well, but I want it diesel. I can bring 100 from US, but it still be gas version.

[heeltoe989]

Yes and no... You're right Kurt for the market of 200 in general. The point I'm saying is that right now when 200 just start coming to the dealers Safari already has the snorkel designed while Tacoma and 4Runners are on the market for a long time, but nobody, I'm saying nobody, even start designing one. Safari would sell allot of the 200 snorkels, but not now, sometime in 2-3 years and we need one yesterday. After long period ARB realized that they need to produce Tacoma and 4Runner bumpers what they did this year after 5 years of the vehicle on the market and I know many people who got them. This is showing that there is am off-road market for our trucks. Safari owned by ARB and there is no big deal to design or adopt one of the existing models to fit our trucks and I think the money spend on R&D will be paid back with profit.
I hope I got my point clear. If there is a market, you should fight for it and get it. I hope ARB will understand it and offer us something in the future.

I agree, but we can all talk about it and contact the companies, but at the end of the day, if they don't want to make it they won't. Regardless of how much business we think they are losing.

[cruiseroutfit]

We could argue this all day... but I'll let this be my final post on the subject.


1. ARB does NOT own Safari Snorkel, they are their own company. ARB-USA is however the sole distributor of the products in the US, so they do have alot of "weight" in the decision to produce said snorkels. In this case ARB-USA made the decision NOT to have a snorkel made for the 05-07, and according to higher-ups within ARB, they never will ;) The tooling alone costs nearly $30k, when the are making ~$50 per snorkel, they would have to sell roughly 600 units even to consider it being worth it. The same ARB rep told me that even if they had an order for 100 pre-paid units, they still wouldn't do it. He actually mentioned that the previous generation Tacoma/4Runner snorkels didn't sell as they had hoped, even to this day. In hindsite they might not have produced that unit.

2. ARB did have a 2nd gen Taco in Aussie, however it is back in the US (not sure if could stay in Aussie due to DOT issues???). At that time they made the decision not to have a snorkel prototyped, and due to the fact the vehicle is North-American ONLY, Safari Snorkel had likely less interest in it. Why would they, they won't sell any except through ARB in the US. If their word was no go, they took it as such.

3. I still don't think there is the market you guys are imagining. YES, there are a bunch of die-hards like yourselves that would buy one today if available, but are there 600? That the "break-even" point... And that alot of money just to "break even" if you see where I'm going with this. ARB is very keen to the market demands for products, a fraction (10%?) of the customers that would/have buy a ARB bullbar and suspension, might also buy a snorkel, I find this true for 40's, 60's, 80's, 100's, FJC's, etc... and 10% is generous, more like 5% at best overall as I'm more likel to "push" a snorkel as we stock them and run them on all of our personal rigs here. When the FJC bumpers are outselling the late model 4Runner/Taco bumpers 10:1, they get the picture. I have no doubt I will sell 5x's the amount of 200 bumpers as I will the 4Runner/Taco setups in the next couple years. (These are my guestimates, not verified nor compared to ARB's experience, though I'd bet they have a similar stance ;))

4. Do you have to accept defeat? Of course not, and neither would I. Using another snorkel (as noted in this thread) is WELL documented and should work just fine. Afraid of the "complexity's" of the install? Well, you'll be surprise to know I think it looks easier than alot of the LC installs we do. Many of the LC Safari kits we are using were always intended for diesel rigs, with airboxes on the opposite side of the motor, modifying the system to work is nothing new and not a major issue IMO. Buy the snorkel that works... and install it... :D

[heeltoe989]

We could argue this all day... but I'll let this be my final post on the subject.


1. ARB does NOT own Safari Snorkel, they are their own company. ARB-USA is however the sole distributor of the products in the US, so they do have alot of "weight" in the decision to produce said snorkels. In this case ARB-USA made the decision NOT to have a snorkel made for the 05-07, and according to higher-ups within ARB, they never will ;) The tooling alone costs nearly $30k, when the are making ~$50 per snorkel, they would have to sell roughly 600 units even to consider it being worth it. The same ARB rep told me that even if they had an order for 100 pre-paid units, they still wouldn't do it. He actually mentioned that the previous generation Tacoma/4Runner snorkels didn't sell as they had hoped, even to this day. In hindsite they might not have produced that unit.

2. ARB did have a 2nd gen Taco in Aussie, however it is back in the US (not sure if could stay in Aussie due to DOT issues???). At that time they made the decision not to have a snorkel prototyped, and due to the fact the vehicle is North-American ONLY, Safari Snorkel had likely less interest in it. Why would they, they won't sell any except through ARB in the US. If their word was no go, they took it as such.

3. I still don't think there is the market you guys are imagining. YES, there are a bunch of die-hards like yourselves that would buy one today if available, but are there 600? That the "break-even" point... And that alot of money just to "break even" if you see where I'm going with this. ARB is very keen to the market demands for products, a fraction (10%?) of the customers that would/have buy a ARB bullbar and suspension, might also buy a snorkel, I find this true for 40's, 60's, 80's, 100's, FJC's, etc... and 10% is generous, more like 5% at best overall as I'm more likel to "push" a snorkel as we stock them and run them on all of our personal rigs here. When the FJC bumpers are outselling the late model 4Runner/Taco bumpers 10:1, they get the picture. I have no doubt I will sell 5x's the amount of 200 bumpers as I will the 4Runner/Taco setups in the next couple years. (These are my guestimates, not verified nor compared to ARB's experience, though I'd bet they have a similar stance ;))

4. Do you have to accept defeat? Of course not, and neither would I. Using another snorkel (as noted in this thread) is WELL documented and should work just fine. Afraid of the "complexity's" of the install? Well, you'll be surprise to know I think it looks easier than alot of the LC installs we do. Many of the LC Safari kits we are using were always intended for diesel rigs, with airboxes on the opposite side of the motor, modifying the system to work is nothing new and not a major issue IMO. Buy the snorkel that works... and install it... :D


AMEN!!!! Now lets all go do some wheeling:rally_guys:

[AlexJet]

We could argue this all day... but I'll let this be my final post on the subject.


1. ARB does NOT own Safari Snorkel, they are their own company. ARB-USA is however the sole distributor of the products in the US, so they do have alot of "weight" in the decision to produce said snorkels. In this case ARB-USA made the decision NOT to have a snorkel made for the 05-07, and according to higher-ups within ARB, they never will ;) The tooling alone costs nearly $30k, when the are making ~$50 per snorkel, they would have to sell roughly 600 units even to consider it being worth it. The same ARB rep told me that even if they had an order for 100 pre-paid units, they still wouldn't do it. He actually mentioned that the previous generation Tacoma/4Runner snorkels didn't sell as they had hoped, even to this day. In hindsite they might not have produced that unit.

2. ARB did have a 2nd gen Taco in Aussie, however it is back in the US (not sure if could stay in Aussie due to DOT issues???). At that time they made the decision not to have a snorkel prototyped, and due to the fact the vehicle is North-American ONLY, Safari Snorkel had likely less interest in it. Why would they, they won't sell any except through ARB in the US. If their word was no go, they took it as such.

3. I still don't think there is the market you guys are imagining. YES, there are a bunch of die-hards like yourselves that would buy one today if available, but are there 600? That the "break-even" point... And that alot of money just to "break even" if you see where I'm going with this. ARB is very keen to the market demands for products, a fraction (10%?) of the customers that would/have buy a ARB bullbar and suspension, might also buy a snorkel, I find this true for 40's, 60's, 80's, 100's, FJC's, etc... and 10% is generous, more like 5% at best overall as I'm more likel to "push" a snorkel as we stock them and run them on all of our personal rigs here. When the FJC bumpers are outselling the late model 4Runner/Taco bumpers 10:1, they get the picture. I have no doubt I will sell 5x's the amount of 200 bumpers as I will the 4Runner/Taco setups in the next couple years. (These are my guestimates, not verified nor compared to ARB's experience, though I'd bet they have a similar stance ;))

4. Do you have to accept defeat? Of course not, and neither would I. Using another snorkel (as noted in this thread) is WELL documented and should work just fine. Afraid of the "complexity's" of the install? Well, you'll be surprise to know I think it looks easier than alot of the LC installs we do. Many of the LC Safari kits we are using were always intended for diesel rigs, with airboxes on the opposite side of the motor, modifying the system to work is nothing new and not a major issue IMO. Buy the snorkel that works... and install it... :D

I don't want to agree with you, because I'm one of those die-hards. Sorry, but I think you perfectly understand me, because you're one of us too.
Unfortunately for all of us, North American off-road enthusiasts, I have to agree with you. :(
Marketing for big companies sometimes can't be understood. Some companies do want to produce specific vehicles only for NA. Others don’t want to accessories such vehicle for the reason of local market.
If I can, I'd rather bought Prado then 4Runner and had full aftermarket support, but they are not for sale in NA. This is suck and I think Tacoma guys feel the same vs. Hilux.

[zolo]

Holly Hell! what has the Safari Snorkel thread come to.

Its all good from coast to coast. Everyone simmer down!
We here in North America have options. I really think that if someone else that is not me would buy the 135 and just see for them selves that it works we could all get some sleep at night, knowing that it works and that its documented by more than just me would really calm this whole Supply and demand lesson we are all going through right now.
I mean really any time you drill a hole the size of a grapefruit through the side of your rig, your going to make it work, as long as you drill in the right place no worries.
I sort of think I should head back out west and have a 135 Tacoma install group meet or something. We coud all meet in Utah possibly at Kurts shop, {just joking} and trade secrets.

[Photog]

I don't want to agree with you, because I'm one of those die-hardsIf I can, I'd rather bought Prado then 4Runner and had full aftermarket support, but they are not for sale in NA.

Pick up a Lexus GX470. It's a Prado with fender flares.

[AlexJet]

Pick up a Lexus GX470. It's a Prado with fender flares.

Too expensive, 25k more and V8 + ARB bumpers would not fit ....

[Photog]

Too expensive, 25k more and V8 + ARB bumpers would not fit ....
Isn't your bumper a modified Prado bumper from ARB?

[TACODOC]

I really think that if someone else that is not me would buy the 135 and just see for them selves that it works we could all get some sleep at night, knowing that it works and that its documented by more than just me would really calm this whole Supply and demand lesson we are all going through right now.


I will be that guy, the problem is at the moment I have too many irons in the fire and need to complete these other mods first.

That, and COMNAVWIFEPAC has determined that during the first quarter I have already exceeded the mod budget for this fiscal year :ylsmoke:

So, when time, attention, and funds permit I will cut that hole and do this. Just wait and see :costumed-smiley-007

[ChuckB]

COMNAVWIFEPAC



LOL! I know how that goes, damn chain of command...

[AlexJet]

Isn't your bumper a modified Prado bumper from ARB?

Yes, it's LC one, but I don't think it will fit GX.

[Photog]

Yes, it's LC one, but I don't think it will fit GX.

I think the only difference between the LC Prado and the GX's exterior, is the fender flares and matching bumper plastic.

If we wanted to have all the ARB goodies on our mid-sized Toyota SUV, we should be able to pick up a low mileage GX, and cover it with Ausi goodies.:wings:

This won't help us 4Runner / Tacoma owners; but it can be done with a vehicle available in North America (part of the earlier discusion).

[Photog]

If adapting the 135 is just a mater of heating the plastic and reshaping it, and a few internal changes, maybe someone could modify a group of these for the folks that want them. They would cost more, of course.

Start with a metal tool, the shape of the fender, heat it up, vacuum bag the #135 to the tool, and then heat the plastic with a heat gun, until is fits perfectly. Might have to put some type of flexable plug inside the snorkle, to prevent it from collapsing under the pressure of the vacuum bag.

[AlexJet]

If adapting the 135 is just a mater of heating the plastic and reshaping it, and a few internal changes, maybe someone could modify a group of these for the folks that want them. They would cost more, of course.

Start with a metal tool, the shape of the fender, heat it up, vacuum bag the #135 to the tool, and then heat the plastic with a heat gun, until is fits perfectly. Might have to put some type of flexable plug inside the snorkle, to prevent it from collapsing under the pressure of the vacuum bag.

I'm waiting for SS125HF (should be next week), already have SS135HF. As soon as I'll get it, I'll do a comparisson and will see which one will fit better 4Runner.

May be ask ARB Tech/Fab department to adopt one for us?

[cruiseroutfit]

If someone wants to buy the SS135 (or SS125 if it turns out to be a better fit), I'll give it to them for a steal (below cost), assuming they are willing to do a detailed writeup with photos, etc.

OR

If someone is in the SLC area and is willing to let me install it, we will work out a similar deal (below cost). If you want to come install it here (or several of you), you buy the SS135 and I'll help you for free :D

:gunt:

[heeltoe989]

If someone wants to buy the SS135 (or SS125 if it turns out to be a better fit), I'll give it to them for a steal (below cost), assuming they are willing to do a detailed writeup with photos, etc.

OR

If someone is in the SLC area and is willing to let me install it, we will work out a similar deal (below cost). If you want to come install it here (or several of you), you buy the SS135 and I'll help you for free :D

:gunt:

I would if I lived closer thats for sure.

[AlexJet]

If someone wants to buy the SS135 (or SS125 if it turns out to be a better fit), I'll give it to them for a steal (below cost), assuming they are willing to do a detailed writeup with photos, etc.

OR

If someone is in the SLC area and is willing to let me install it, we will work out a similar deal (below cost). If you want to come install it here (or several of you), you buy the SS135 and I'll help you for free :D

:gunt:

I've already paid for both of them :( in other way, I'd fo go with your offer.
Anyway, I'm going to make pictures and will do a detail write-up on the install process for the 4th Gen. 4Runner.
BTW, do you have snorkels in stock or you're ordering them?

[zolo]

if you own a tacoma there is no heating and bending required, Once agian the only modification is to get it to mate up with the air box. The guy that heated was putting it on a 4 runner. I am willing to come to SLC and help out also
Kurt has installed a snorkel or two I would take him, up on his offer.
I did write some pretty good notes in this thread.
Its easier than every one thinks no BATCh making required

[cruiseroutfit]

I've already paid for both of them :( in other way, I'd fo go with your offer.
Anyway, I'm going to make pictures and will do a detail write-up on the install process for the 4th Gen. 4Runner.
BTW, do you have snorkels in stock or you're ordering them?

Every LC and common Toyota one in stock (ie. FJ40, 60, 80, 100, Taco, and FJC). I would have to order the SS135HF, however I get stock orders weekly, so never too long of a wait assuming they are in the country.

[AlexJet]

Every LC and common Toyota one in stock (ie. FJ40, 60, 80, 100, Taco, and FJC). I would have to order the SS135HF, however I get stock orders weekly, so never too long of a wait assuming they are in the country.

The reason I'm asking is that if you have SS125HF and SS186HF and can compare them, this will be very helpfull for me. I couldn't get SS186HF with 125 and 135, so I'd have both of them next week, but I'd realy like to campare all 3.

[TACODOC]

If someone wants to buy the SS135 (or SS125 if it turns out to be a better fit), I'll give it to them for a steal (below cost), assuming they are willing to do a detailed writeup with photos, etc.

OR

If someone is in the SLC area and is willing to let me install it, we will work out a similar deal (below cost). If you want to come install it here (or several of you), you buy the SS135 and I'll help you for free :D

:gunt:

PM sent. :26_7_2:

[snakeii]

If someone wants to buy the SS135 (or SS125 if it turns out to be a better fit), I'll give it to them for a steal (below cost), assuming they are willing to do a detailed writeup with photos, etc.

OR

If someone is in the SLC area and is willing to let me install it, we will work out a similar deal (below cost). If you want to come install it here (or several of you), you buy the SS135 and I'll help you for free :D

:gunt:

I'm guessing tacodoc jumped on this, but if not... whats the cost? Id be more then willing to document the install with instructions and photos.

One problem I'll have is mating it up with the K&N intake (AEM Filter). It looks like I'd have to modify the K&N "box" or order the TRD intake (which I'm already considered doing). Id be hesitant on cutting the hole, I'd either have a local body shop do that or maybe run the truck over to DAP in Springfield, VT (they primarily work on Land Rovers, etc).

[TACODOC]

:box:

[slooowr6]

:box:
Please please take a lots of pics about the installation!
:jumping:

[cruiseroutfit]

I'm getting excited too :cool:

[TACODOC]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/slogo_anim_250.gif

Look what I found at my front door today!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/snorkel1.jpg

[articulate]

Look what I found at my front door today!

A chick magnet!

[cruiseroutfit]

Nice ;)

[TACODOC]

I am in mid write up and when I have finished the detailed "how to" with pics, we will have an install guide to rival anything on the Safari Snorkel website ;)

I test drove it last night and with the complete watertight install there are no ECU issues, CEL's or other anomalies...

There is plenty of air as it is now a "forced intake" with the scoop on the snorkel vice the smallish "snout" on the stock intake that was drawing air from inside the fender.

I am very pleased with both the look of the the install and the functionality.

To prevent duplicate posts, the "How To" writeup for this install will be posted in my build thread.

Read my complete SS135HFD Install Guide here:
http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/tech_2ndgenTaco_snorkel.html