JK/J8 Flippac rumor??

[Martyn]

That 2000 mile return sounds like a great shakedown run. If you ever decided to return, it would be a 3 hour drive west for me to come and oogle :drool:

,

Shipping would be in the region of $775.00

[wanderer-rrorc]

updates??? pix???

[BPage]

I agree... any new pic's
especially interior shots (fit around the roll bars), hatch opening, size comparison of interior space (maybe someone standing in the back and laying in the front on the bed when open?

[The Swiss]

Any updates/new pics?

[Martyn]

We will be releasing the JK Topper at the Overland Expo in April. It seems like the appropriate thing to do.

It's a hard thing to convey using the written word, but we are as excited about the release as you are. No project ever happens quickly enough, and we struggle balancing getting it done as quickly vs. getting it right first time.

The balancing act at Adventure Trailers is, Mario the perfectionist, vs. Martyn the impatient. Having any one of us running the company would be a total disaster, having us both to even each other out works.

Past result are that we get it done right first time in a reasonable amount of time.

[The Swiss]

We will be releasing the JK Topper at the Overland Expo in April. It seems like the appropriate thing to do.

It's a hard thing to convey using the written word, but we are as excited about the release as you are. No project ever happens quickly enough, and we struggle balancing getting it done as quickly vs. getting it right first time.

The balancing act at Adventure Trailers is, Mario the perfectionist, vs. Martyn the impatient. Having any one of us running the company would be a total disaster, having us both to even each other out works.

Past result are that we get it done right first time in a reasonable amount of time.You are right: Launching it at the Overland Expo is I think the prefect thing to do. Keep it under cover and tension building until then :drool:
I hope I will manage to attend the Expo; I have a trade fair myself Tuesday through Thursday that same week in Detroit :( Bad timing I guess.

[adventureduo]

Looks great you guys. Im late to the party once again. How are you going to address the wet weather when folding it back down into your vehicle? That was one of the problems with the ER Jeep. All that moisture/water goes drips straight back into your rig.

I saw someone else ask that question but don't think it was answered. Unless i missed it.

[Martyn]

Looks great you guys. Im late to the party once again. How are you going to address the wet weather when folding it back down into your vehicle? That was one of the problems with the ER Jeep. All that moisture/water goes drips straight back into your rig.

I saw someone else ask that question but don't think it was answered. Unless i missed it.

Dave

We have taken care of that issue, you'll see at OVX.

[Piet]

Martyn... congrats!
Always a tough balencing act!

Look forward to seeing OVX coverage!

[jingram]

Have a quick question about attachment of the top. I know that the mechanism used to attach the freedom top changed in 2009 from previous years. I have no idea if Flippac is utilizing he same latching mechanism or something proprietary. So the question is will the JK FlipPac be compatible with all years of JK Unlimiteds or a specific year range. I ask, because I am looking at buying a JK Unilimited base model which is a stripped model and just going with your top from the get go, but don't want to end up in the position where the JK FlipPac only fits 2007-2008 model JKs.

Also, does anybody have any thoughts on racks. I usually haul a couple of kayaks with me and would like to figure out an arrangement to use the JK FlipPac with a rack so I can haul the yaks too.

[The Swiss]

Have a quick question about attachment of the top. I know that the mechanism used to attach the freedom top changed in 2009 from previous years. I have no idea if Flippac is utilizing he same latching mechanism or something proprietary. So the question is will the JK FlipPac be compatible with all years of JK Unlimiteds or a specific year range. I ask, because I am looking at buying a JK Unilimited base model which is a stripped model and just going with your top from the get go, but don't want to end up in the position where the JK FlipPac only fits 2007-2008 model JKs.
I have an 08 JK Unlimited and I have rented several 09 and 10. The latches of the front hard top panels are indeed on different locations, one hooking up to a bracket above the mirror on the windshield frame on the 09 and 10. My 08 however has the same bracket, just that it is not used to hold the hard top (I think it lines up with the bracket on the hood to hold the windshield when folded down). It appears to me as if just the hard top is different, not the Jeep body.

Hope this helps.

[Martyn]

To the best of our knowledge the JK Topper will fit all the years of JK's

[jingram]

Martyn,

What model year did you test on for development of the product if you don't mind me asking?

I know the product is set to debut shortly and after going through the thread I know that roof racks were not at all part of the plan. However, is glass on top thick enough to support even basic bolt through cross bars? Not looking to haul a ton of weight, but those two kayaks would sure be nice.

Jack

[Martyn]

Martyn,

What model year did you test on for development of the product if you don't mind me asking?

I know the product is set to debut shortly and after going through the thread I know that roof racks were not at all part of the plan. However, is glass on top thick enough to support even basic bolt through cross bars? Not looking to haul a ton of weight, but those two kayaks would sure be nice.

Jack

Jack

We have tried it on years 2007 -2009

The roof is strong enough for a basic rack and lighter loads.

[Piet]

Any preview of reveal?

[JPFreek1]

Any preview of reveal?

From what I've heard a prototype of the Topper will be unveiled at the Overland Expo this weekend. I'm sure Martyn and/or Mario can confirm this.

[elcoyote]

We unfortunately had some difficulties with shrinkage of the top post molding and the debut will be delayed a few weeks while we adjust the tooling. We are bummed not to have it ready at OVX. When it is completed though, it will be well worth waiting for. We'll have more to report on soon.

[wanderer-rrorc]

dude....I gotta have at LEAST 6 months notice before I can get permission from the wife to buy one of these....hurry UP!!!:elkgrin:


honestly...I cant wait!:coffeedrink:

[haven]

For the first look at the JK Topper see
http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/b813c2bd#/b813c2bd/40

[JPFreek1]

Thanks for posting, Chip. Much appreciated. :)

Martyn is always fun to talk to and getting his insight on the Topper and the overlanding community in general was quite enjoyable.

[NOMADIC_LJ]

LJ version!!! PLEASE!!

[BPage]

I agree...
LJ version 2x
:-)

[jingram]

So was this debuted this weekend? Pics?

[kb7our]

So was this debuted this weekend? Pics?

From Mario a page back...

"We unfortunately had some difficulties with shrinkage of the top post molding and the debut will be delayed a few weeks while we adjust the tooling. We are bummed not to have it ready at OVX. When it is completed though, it will be well worth waiting for. We'll have more to report on soon."

Don't worry, they will get it right. I'm on the list now.

Wade

[The Swiss]

So was this debuted this weekend? Pics?As said, the JK Topper was not at the Overland Expo as AT has to tweak the mold some more to find the right compensation for the shrinkage occurring when plastic/fiberglass cures. But AT had to regular FlipPacs there;this was the first time I actually I got to see and touch one and I'm really impressed. They are very well made, brackets look beefy, the tent material feels very sturdy. I'm convinced that the Topper will be an excellent product.

I'm trying to tell myself that I don't need one, but I'm not sure that I'm listening :elkgrin:

[jingram]

Thanks for the heads up guys. Not sure how I missed that previous post about the shrinkage issue. Really looking forward to this product as well and am excited to see pictures of the production product.

[ExpoMike]

Yea, I was really hoping it was going to make a showing. It was the ONLY item the wife and I were excited to see as it could possible make some very big changes for us. Guess a trip to Prescott will be in order....

[Roktoys84]

I agree...
LJ version 2x
:-)

:iagree:

I have too much money in my LJ to sell it and get a JK.

[jerdog53]

:iagree:

I have too much money in my LJ to sell it and get a JK.


I said it before I'll say it again, need to build some of these for th LJ guys too!!!

[mountainsoul]

Any update with this?

[Martyn]

Any update with this?

Delayed in production by 6 weeks.

We had some issues with the product and have to do some re-working of the mold. As you all know we are anal about these things :sombrero:

[Jeep or Tacoma]

If you go to the april news letter on JP freak for I think it is overland magazine there is an article about a new pop top camper being made ( still in development) for a jeep JK.:victory:

[cybercat]

Put me down for one on the TJ Unlimited platform.

[mountainsoul]

How far away are we now from seeing the final product in action?

[Martyn]

How far away are we now from seeing the final product in action?

Waiting on the mold to fully cure right now.

[jingram]

Getting excited... very interested to see final product!

[GroupSe7en]

Thought I had lost this thread - found it again!!:wings:

Very excited to see how it all works out.

Maybe there will be a JK or, dare I dream, a J8 in my future...

[kb7our]

Martin/Mario,

When AT is ready for production, which appears a ways off at this point, do you have an estimate on turnaround from order placement to delivery or is it too soon to estimate?

For planning purposes, have you identified a location where F35 lower awning leg brackets would attach to the JK body without interfering with the doors?

Will the top include a rear defroster and wiper?

I'm ready for a drive up for fitment whenever you say "cheese" and happy to share pics with the forum.

Wade

[qwerty]

No provision for roof racks will be made, it would simply complicate opening and add to the COG, something we all prefer to avoid.

I would need to have roof racks to carry my surfboards. Would it be possible for you to add a pair of Thule tracks to the roof as a factory option? It's relatively inexpensive at $120 to $140 MSRP, so it shouldn't add much to the COG. The customer themselves would then buy the feet and crossbars. I don't think having the crossbars on would interfere with opening the top, but if they did the crossbars could be easily removed in about a minute or two.

http://thule.com/en/US/Products/BaseRacks/LoadAccessories/6432999.aspx

http://thule.com/en/US/Products/BaseRacks/LoadAccessories/6270999.aspx

[jingram]

My issue was kayaks and I asked about thickness of glass and whether it would support either a drill through option or something along the lines of a yakima/thule setup. They said the glass was sufficiently thick enough to handle such a load. That being said, my guess is that this is something you are going to have to undertake on your own.

[The Swiss]

Delayed in production by 6 weeks.

We had some issues with the product and have to do some re-working of the mold. As you all know we are anal about these things :sombrero:How is the mold coming along?

[Martyn]

How is the mold coming along?

It's moving ahead. We had the boxes for the speakers CNC'd and placed in the mold, and delivered the material to make the tents. Once it's 100% we'll let you know.

[washington taco]

It's moving ahead. We had the boxes for the speakers CNC'd and placed in the mold, and delivered the material to make the tents. Once it's 100% we'll let you know.

Martyn once you get this RIGHT you will sell them all day long and be the Bill Gates of Jeeps! I am Toyota guy but if this is as good as I expect you will flip me to a Jeep! Maybe they should give you a little something!

[Martyn]

Martyn once you get this RIGHT you will sell them all day long and be the Bill Gates of Jeeps! I am Toyota guy but if this is as good as I expect you will flip me to a Jeep! Maybe they should give you a little something!

It's a very exciting prospect for all of us involved, a combination of the urge to finally see the production model vs. knowing that we need to get it right first time.

So we, like you, are eagerly waiting.

[Ford Prefect]

Best of luck Martyn,

Still a very super cool concept. I wish I had the jeep to put one on! sigh...

[TACODOC]

This is going to be really cool :drool:

[Ozrockrat]

So this will satisfy 1/2 of my desire. Now how do we get Jeep to pull there finger out and put a diesel in the JK's.

[TACODOC]

So this will satisfy 1/2 of my desire. Now how do we get Jeep to pull there finger out and put a diesel in the JK's.

Promises... we keep getting promises from Mopar :rolleyes:

[bridman225]

Really can't wait for this. Sounds like it will be awesome!

[mountainsoul]

Add me to the list of very excited to see the finished product.

[Thegeneral]

I get excited everytime I see the pics.
On that note, can't wait to see the interior pics in a few weeks either!!!!!

Lee

[kb7our]

How far are we from some live teaser pics?

Wade

[elcoyote]

How far are we from some live teaser pics?

Wade

Fitting of first pull from new mold set for Aug 20th. Getting close!

[washington taco]

Martyn, just visited 4 Wheel Campers liked the product but didnt love it. Bump for detail and value. Stan was very cool!

[kb7our]

Martyn, just visited 4 Wheel Campers liked the product but didnt love it. Bump for detail and value. Stan was very cool!

Can I presume you saw first hand the forthcoming JK Habitat in development? Do tell.

Wade

[JDaPP]

what is the JK Habitat??

[kb7our]

what is the JK Habitat??

The topic of this thread.

[Martyn]

A little clarification.

I presume that when "washington taco" said he visited 4 Wheel Campers he was implying he went there to look at one of their slide in campers. 4 Wheel Campers is a fantastic company and great people, but they don't have anything to do with the JK Topper.

What is "Habitiat"?.

Habitat is a trademarked name that AT has secured for it's product lines.

The JK Topper was the working name for the project while it was being designed and prototyped.

The "JK Habitat" is the name for the production top.

[washington taco]

I was looking at the slide in campers. I did see the camper they built for AEV for Expo 2010. Next summer I will be heading to Colorado to look at a few manufactures of slide in campers. Maybe make a side trip to AZ to see the JK flip pack and change vehicle brand! Right now I am leaning towards a 2012 Tacoma ( Jan/ Feb time frame) and a slide in camper. I am taking my time as this will be around a $45,000 purchase between the two. I suspect the JK flip pack to be outstanding, Martyn and crew could flip me to Jeep and save me a little money as well!

[kb7our]

It's moving ahead. We had the boxes for the speakers CNC'd and placed in the mold, and delivered the material to make the tents. Once it's 100% we'll let you know.

Boxes for speakers.....does this mean there will be a need to remove the factory speaker/sound bar or does the top have accomodations for additional speakers?

[gabepari]

Boxes for speakers.....does this mean there will be a need to remove the factory speaker/sound bar or does the top have accomodations for additional speakers?

What Martyn meant to say was that the new mold for the opening was machined to allow clearance for the factory speaker pods. The factory speaker bar will remain in place and unharmed. The new mold was needed to keep Mario from kicking the speakers every time he climbed in and out of the darn thing :sombrero:

[Martyn]

What Martyn meant to say was that the new mold for the opening was machined to allow clearance for the factory speaker pods. The factory speaker bar will remain in place and unharmed. The new mold was needed to keep Mario from kicking the speakers every time he climbed in and out of the darn thing :sombrero:

Yes exactly.

In future when I stick my foot in my mouth Gabe will be at hand to give me a good slap on my back.

Thanks Gabe, now lets head back to the bar to drink some serious Virgin Margaritas, it is Friday after all :sombrero: Lechyd da

[kb7our]

Yes exactly.

In future when I stick my foot in my mouth Gabe will be at hand to give me a good slap on my back.

Thanks Gabe, now lets head back to the bar to drink some serious Virgin Margaritas, it is Friday after all :sombrero: Lechyd da

No worries and thanks again for the clarification and keeping this thread alive as the reveal gets closer and those of us lucky enough to have an opportunity to have put down a deposit are making some initial plans. Getting close! :drool:

Wade

[forsakenfuture]

I would be interested in an LJ version.

[kb7our]

Fitting of first pull from new mold set for Aug 20th. Getting close!

All the best of success as you guys are closing in on a successful fitting and reveal of a functional prototype!

[Thegeneral]

Looking forward to seeing the final product!!!! :)

Still on track to have pics by the weekend?

[elcoyote]

Looking forward to seeing the final product!!!! :)

Still on track to have pics by the weekend?

We have delayed the fitting until 8/27 to fix a couple of small things on the first mold pull. I'll report back then.

[TACODOC]

Looks like a leak has developed over at the Hollister Overland Rally Thread ;)



And there is a very good chance AT will have serious product debut at the event. More details as things come together.



http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45901&page=9

:wings:

[Overland Hadley]

Looks like a leak has developed over at the Hollister Overland Rally Thread ;)



http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45901&page=9

:wings:

:lurk:

[Piet]

Looks like a leak has developed over at the Hollister Overland Rally Thread ;) :wings:

http://uppitywoman08.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/dutchboy.jpg

[skaggs9573]

Did the fitting go as planned? I'm hoping to see some pics today! Crossing my fingers!:coffeedrink:

[washington taco]

X2!!!!

[Thegeneral]

X3!!!

[AZUnlimited]

X4!!

[jrueppel]

X5! Bring on the good stuff!

[kb7our]

X6!!!!!!

Bring it on. Even a teaser peek.

[bridman225]

X7

Lets see it... pretty Please?

[Overland Hadley]

x8!

(The people have spoken, it's time to show us a photo.)

[mountainsoul]

Yeah I guess add me to the list...

[klug]

Hmm...Awfully quiet in here.

** sound of crickets chirping **

[kb7our]

Hmm...Awfully quiet in here.

** sound of crickets chirping **

Shhh....I sense it could be a good thing like a drum roll maybe.

[TACODOC]

I hear they have that AT shop in Prescott locked down like the skunkworks at Area 51 :PROFSheriffHL:

[Rexsname]

I dont know where you heard that...........:)



REX

[Bad Hair Day]

waiting........:coffee:

[Overland Hadley]

Hmm...Awfully quiet in here.

** sound of crickets chirping **



Shhh....I sense it could be a good thing like a drum roll maybe.

All I hear is crickets...

(Makes for a nice place to camp...)

[TACODOC]

All I hear is crickets...

(Makes for a nice place to camp...)

Is it crickets or the buzz of an electrified fence with searchlights sweeping the area?

[abeaudin1971]

Is it crickets or the buzz of an electrified fence with searchlights sweeping the area?

I can hear the electric fence all the way up here in Ottawa, Canada.

[Thegeneral]

Regarding the pics.....



We have them, they need to be watermarked and we will post them on Expedition Portal.

Martyn


:)

[SilverBullet]

Rex, doesn't your phone have a camera...

[Rexsname]

Yeah but I'd really like to keep my job.............Besides, "Move along folks...nothin' to see here" :)




REX

[elcoyote]

We fitted up the final Habitat plug on Saturday and we are very happy with the fit to the body. Building the plug to exactly fit the factory body seals was quite challenging and we succeeded! No additional seals other than what is installed on the JK will be needed. Here are a couple of pictures of it without the bed section cap mounted up on the OJ J8. A small adjustment is being made the forward taper to have it more accurately follow the windshield frame line.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/dayoldbread/Habitat-on-J8-wo-Cap-RDS-View.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/dayoldbread/Habitat-on-J8-wo-Cap-DS-view.jpg

These other images below show the cap, this part already has been molded hence the finished look of the cap vs. the lower part of the shell.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/dayoldbread/Habitat--Cap-RDS-View.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/dayoldbread/Habitat-DS-top-view.jpg

What is not shown is the hardware and the seal between the cap & lower half. This will be added when the parts are mated during final assembly.

It looks like we have 2-3 weeks of finishing work to bring it all together, complete the tent and mount it up on the J8 and work out last little details.

More later...

[ersatzknarf]

Wow ! :sombrero:

[jrueppel]

Looking good!

[kjp1969]

So what JK configuration will the Habitat fit? Does it matter if its a soft top or hard?

[mhiscox]

Many congratulations on getting near release of this important and much-needed product. All the talent and hard work is admired and most appreciated. :bowdown:

[The Swiss]

:clapsmile BEAUTIFUL, absolutely beautiful!

[abeaudin1971]

C'est bon Gentlemen, C'est bon!

[adventureduo]

Looking excellent!!

[elcoyote]

Thank you for your patience folks and the kind replies. It has taken longer than we expected as I think we often underestimate the the complexities and the time to develop satisfactory solutions.


So what JK configuration will the Habitat fit? Does it matter if its a soft top or hard?

I completely replaces either top on the JK Unlimited.

[jcbrandon]

That is the shizzle.

[Overland Hadley]

That is the shizzle.

x2 :)

[kb7our]

BRAVO!!!!

It must feel very satisfying to see this come to fruition!

Is the finished color still slated to be black like factory?

Does Christmas delivery timeframe seem about right based on remaining work and likely 8 weeks to build up pre-orders after that? It's just a guess plus I want to be sure that Santa leaves a little room in the sleigh for Prescott pickup. :elkgrin:

[elcoyote]

Here is an image that shows the pass through the roof section into the sleeping loft. The pass though is positioned between the fore & aft roll bars directly above the rear passenger seat. The pass through has a 50/50 split hatch. Once the cap and tent are deployed, the next step is to fold down one of the rear seats, get in, push up on one or both of the hatches and stand up through the pass through. The sleeping loft platform is about 39" up from the folded down seat so a simple hop up or a pelican case used as a step makes for easy access. With one half of the hatch left in place, there is easily sleeping for 3 adults. Re-insert both hatches and it can sleep 4.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/dayoldbread/Habitat-Plug-Top-View.jpg

[elcoyote]

BRAVO!!!!

It must feel very satisfying to see this come to fruition!

Is the finished color still slated to be black like factory?

Does Christmas delivery timeframe seem about right based on remaining work and likely 8 weeks to build up pre-orders after that? It's just a guess plus I want to be sure that Santa leaves a little room in the sleigh for Prescott pickup. :elkgrin:

It can be color matched if desired. The initial unit on the J8 will be white to match. You can certainly get black if you like.

Xmas delivery time frame seems attainable for the pre-orders.

[mountainsoul]

Mario, another question regarding the standing room here too. How much is there? I was under the impression that the entire space behind the front seats was available to stand. Is it only going to be the space under the hatch cut-out? Is it possible to have the entire rear area as a functioning hatch so that the trunk area of the JK is "standable" or does the design not allow for that?

[kjp1969]

Here is an image that shows the pass through the roof section into the sleeping loft. The pass though is positioned between the fore & aft roll bars directly above the rear passenger seat. The pass through has a 50/50 split hatch. Once the cap and tent are deployed, the next step is to fold down one of the rear seats, get in, push up on one or both of the hatches and stand up through the pass through. The sleeping loft platform is about 39" up from the folded down seat so a simple hop up or a pelican case used as a step makes for easy access. With one half of the hatch left in place, there is easily sleeping for 3 adults. Re-insert both hatches and it can sleep 4.

Oh hell, now I just don't have any excuse left.

[elcoyote]

So this works more like the ecamper than a traditional FP? Meaning when the tent is deployed you do not gain standing room?


Mario, another question regarding the standing room here too. How much is there? I was under the impression that the entire space behind the front seats was available to stand. Is it only going to be the space under the hatch cut-out? Is it possible to have the entire rear area as a functioning hatch so that the trunk area of the JK is "standable" or does the design not allow for that?

No, it works like as shown in the original concept photos, like an ATFP but with center access. If you refer back to post #150, I laid out the design concept and the reasons why. The only difference is that the hatch split is 50/50. We feel that the rear roll bar would limit the access if the area from the back of the passenger seat to the tailgate were left open. We do not advocate nor wish to create a design that might temp people to remove the rear roll bar for obvious safety and liability reasons.

Stand up room will be 85".


FROM POST #150: Access to the sleeping platform will be through either of the rear passenger doors. The user will be able to fold the seats forward and then stand up between the 2 roll bars. A 60/40 split hatch that makes up the interior roof above the rear passenger seats will be removable and provide the access to the sleeping area. The reason we chose access in this manner was to keep the rear cargo intact for its intended purpose. Rear door access would mean that all cargo would have to be removed for access, undeniably, not very convenient and hence our design decision. When entering through this hatch, a platform will remain above the rear cargo area for staging bags etc. The hatch can be replaced from inside the sleeping area if desired to increase the sleeping area for children.


Is there any plans on redesigning the ATFP? To have more of an AT look and feel design?

I can't say at this time

[Overland Hadley]

Interesting, so it is pretty much a big RTT.

I was hoping the whole back area would be open for standing and living.

[kb7our]

Interesting, so it is pretty much a big RTT.

I was hoping the whole back area would be open for standing and living.

Nice concept but not workable really with the roll bar in the way on the Jeep for which it is designed. Rear shelf area seems perfect for handy storage when the tent is deployed. Now that we are all patiently awaiting final assembly pics maybe AT will continue to release stages to us. Deployed tent and an array of interior shots plus maybe a video release would be most excellent!

[TACODOC]

Lookin' good guys!:Wow1:

[mountainsoul]

We feel that the rear roll bar would limit the access if the area from the back of the passenger seat to the tailgate were left open. We do not advocate nor wish to create a design that might temp people to remove the rear roll bar for obvious safety and liability reasons.


Affirmative.

I just went down to look at the rear of the JK and after really looking at it there isn't much room behind the rear seat/rear roll bar anyways. So I can fully understand this decision.

The fact that it will now sleep 4 adults is a big plus on the other side of the coin.

Very much look forward to seeing the final product.

[TACODOC]

Knowing AT's acclaimed engineering minds, and their impeccable attention to detail, I'm sure once it is all assembled and we see the interior pics of hatch layout/ingress/egress it will be ooohhs and aaahhs all the way around... :drool:

Now I have to put the Tacoma up for sale again!













:elkgrin: (J/K)

[18seeds]

Affirmative.

I just went down to look at the rear of the JK and after really looking at it there isn't much room behind the rear seat/rear roll bar anyways. So I can fully understand this decision.

The fact that it will now sleep 4 adults is a big plus on the other side of the coin.

Very much look forward to seeing the final product.

OK I get it. I have never really taken a close look.

[bridman225]

Great to see some more photos! This will be a unique product from a reputable company so I have no doubt it will be worth every penny, but i too am a little let down by the lack of standing room. "Let down" is too strong a term, this is still looking awesome and I understand why compromise is needed. Yet still, I can't help but think I would rather alter my roll bar (in a safe way) then change the functionality I've come to expect from a FlipPac. Again, I completely understand the potential liability and cost. You've done a great job so far and I am sure the Habitat will be executed to perfection. Keep up the good work!

P.S we need a Squared off rear roll cage.

[Martyn]

Great to see some more photos! This will be a unique product from a reputable company so I have no doubt it will be worth every penny, but i too am a little let down by the lack of standing room. "Let down" is too strong a term, this is still looking awesome and I understand why compromise is needed. Yet still, I can't help but think I would rather alter my roll bar (in a safe way) then change the functionality I've come to expect from a FlipPac. Again, I completely understand the potential liability and cost. You've done a great job so far and I am sure the Habitat will be executed to perfection. Keep up the good work!

P.S we need a Squared off rear roll cage.

There are obvious limitations to what a manufacturer can and can't do. An owner on the other hand is more at liberty to make modifications that manufacturers can not.

[The Swiss]

There are obvious limitations to what a manufacturer can and can't do. An owner on the other hand is more at liberty to make modifications that manufacturers can not.I fully agree; awesome job you guys. Do you see any adjustment to your original price point or does it appear that your production costs will be pretty much as estimated?

[elcoyote]

I fully agree; awesome job you guys. Do you see any adjustment to your original price point or does it appear that your production costs will be pretty much as estimated?

Total production costs and retail pricing are yet to be finalized. We will honor the pricing we set for the original pre-orders to reward our early adopters for their trust and patience.

[Thegeneral]

Great work guys!!

Absolutely amazing!!! :Wow1:

[AZUnlimited]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/dayoldbread/Habitat-on-J8-wo-Cap-RDS-View.jpg




WOW!!! Most impressive. I love how it follows the lines of the factory hard top!! I have been sitting here for months trying to come to terms with having a squared off block on the back of the jeep, like in the photoshopped proto picture. Function before form I would tell myself, function before form.... However, the current look way exceeds my expectations!! Nice work!!

[JPR4LFE]

Thanks for posting the "top off" picture. If the opening in the top was extended to the end of the jeep and the roll bar left as is, that would be a horribly awkward space to stand in. You would be constantly ducking under the rollbar.

[elcoyote]

You can see here why AT went this route.
Any idea how much more it will weigh over a standard hardtop?

About 100 lbs more than factory top. I refer you back to post #150 that had much of the design information.

http://http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=521995&postcount=150 (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=521995&postcount=150)

[skaggs9573]

AMAZING! Can't wait for the finished product. I think my wife will approve!

[haven]

Leaving the factory sport bar in place is the right call. In our litigious society, it would be unwise for an aftermarket parts maker to remove a component that Jeep describes as part of the vehicle safety equipment.

From Jeep's web site

"...the sport bar uses high-strength steel and is integrated into the B-Pillar that runs into the floor. This improves side-impact performance, vehicle stiffness, torsional rigidity and control at highway speeds."

http://www.jeep.com/en/2010/wrangler_unlimited/safety_security/safety_security_tour/

[haven]

From http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=521995&postcount=150

"The targeted price point for the top will be $4400...We are now accepting a 10% refundable deposit on pre-orders for a limited production batch of only 10 tops to be made."

Better get your order in now!

[BPage]

We fitted up the final Habitat plug on Saturday and we are very happy with the fit to the body. More later...

So, If I could put another plug in to Adventure Trailer for us "LJ owners", let me know when your ready to start our build... I will be first in line.

However if I could drop a request or two... I would love it if ours was wide open like the original FlipPac top for trucks. I would like as much standing room as possible. and either full windows on both sides, or van sides with no windows so I can add flip up truck windows to access gear inside.

Thanks, and great build!!! :sombrero:

[jerdog53]

So, If I could put another plug in to Adventure Trailer for us "LJ owners", let me know when your ready to start our build... I will be first in line.

However if I could drop a request or two... I would love it if ours was wide open like the original FlipPac top for trucks. I would like as much standing room as possible. and either full windows on both sides, or van sides with no windows so I can add flip up truck windows to access gear inside.

Thanks, and great build!!! :sombrero:

Yeah, you and me both!

[Cody1771]

makes me want a XJ...

[mountainsoul]

However if I could drop a request or two... I would love it if ours was wide open like the original FlipPac top for trucks. I would like as much standing room as possible.

How does the LJ differ to the JK in terms of the rear roll bar? Is there more room behind the rear seats/roll bar in the LJ to make this design functional? I thought the LJ had less rear space than the JK. Is the roll bar designed/placed differently?

[bridman225]

There is no rear cross bar on an LJ. but yes there is more space in the back of an JK. I don't know that the open area in the back of an LJ would be any more open then the JK habitat is in its current configuration.

[mountainsoul]

There is no rear cross bar on an LJ. but yes there is more space in the back of an JK. I don't know that the open area in the back of an LJ would be any more open then the JK habitat is in its current configuration.

Thx for clarifying that. I didn't realize there was no rear crossbar on the LJ roll cage. I guess that opens things up more then.

[elcoyote]

What is the width and length of the top of a LJ hardtop?

[TCM]

The width of the top is 59" where it meets the tub.

The length of the top measured from the back of the tub to the front edge of the top is 88 3/4". The "bottom" measurement if you will.

The back of the top slopes forward considerably, so the "top" measurement is about 82 3/4" depending on where you line up your measurement along the highly radiused rear edge. Hope that makes sense.

[elcoyote]

The width of the top is 59" where it meets the tub.

The length of the top measured from the back of the tub to the front edge of the top is 88 3/4". The "bottom" measurement if you will.

The back of the top slopes forward considerably, so the "top" measurement is about 82 3/4" depending on where you line up your measurement along the highly radiused rear edge. Hope that makes sense.

More specifically like the picture so I may determine whether the cap we have designed for the JK will work or not.

[TCM]

A=56"

B= Between 82 3/4" - 83"

The top has no defined rear edge so the B measurement is subjective. I measured from the front edge to the hinges for the lift glass.

[elcoyote]

A=56"

B= Between 82 3/4" - 83"

The top has no defined rear edge so the B measurement is subjective. I measured from the front edge to the hinges for the lift glass.

If you had no forward slope to the rear of the shell and you measured vertically to the body line, how much would be gained?

[TCM]

That would be the 88 3/4" I quoted in my first post. So the roof slopes forward around 6" from top to bottom.

[Ford Prefect]

Ever consider making one for a CJ/YJ/TJ? I mean they are all the same top minus the back window, and the windsheild channel. I have always thought it would be great to have one on the CJ. Besides, there are a lot more CJ/YJ/TJ jeeps out there than LJ. (No offense LJ guys, but there just are not many of those jeeps around.)

[elcoyote]

That would be the 88 3/4" I quoted in my first post. So the roof slopes forward around 6" from top to bottom.

Okay, thanks. Good info to have should we see enough demand to consider moving forward with an LJ version. The main obstacle that I see is that the LJ universe is relatively small as the vehicle was produced in limited numbers for only 2 years. To recoup R&D costs and justify the making of molds requires a reasonable volume. I would suggest starting another thread to gauge demand and we can take it from there.


Ever consider making one for a CJ/YJ/TJ? I mean they are all the same top minus the back window, and the windsheild channel. I have always thought it would be great to have one on the CJ. Besides, there are a lot more CJ/YJ/TJ jeeps out there than LJ. (No offense LJ guys, but there just are not many of those jeeps around.)

I think that the sleeping platform would too short to be comfortable in the configuration that we have designed. A minimum of 80" is needed for the mattress which means 85" of roof line.

[BPage]

Could you give me a ruff estimate (I understand it is a swag) on what number of LJ's you would need to:
1. produce at least a prototype
2. mass produce
3. and if all else fails, what the cost would be to produce a custom top for just one LJ (mine) :sombrero:

I just want to know how hard I need to start campaigning with these other LJ owners to make this happen.

Thanks

And sorry for the delay in my response, I am in the military and currently PCS'ing to my next duty station, so I have to use the computer in the hotels in between driving.

[wild1]

While the total number of LJ's was limited they seem to be falling into the hands of enthusiusts when they enter the resale market. I think that the percentage of LJ owners that might consider a flippac would be considerably higher then the average JK owner. I would be very interested in one for my LJ.

[JPFreek1]

While the total number of LJ's was limited they seem to be falling into the hands of enthusiusts when they enter the resale market. I think that the percentage of LJ owners that might consider a flippac would be considerably higher then the average JK owner. I would be very interested in one for my LJ.

I agree based on feedback we've had as well. People who are buying LJs want the additional wheelbase and interior space that a TJ just doesn't have for purposes that include tops like this.

While I own a TJ and would love to see an offering like this for that platform, I do think the LJ market would benefit tremendously from having an option comparable to the JK Topper. Just my $.02 worth. :)

[haven]

My vote is to put off the development of an LJ of the Flippac. Concentrate on marketing the JK version. Get samples into the hands of people who have visibility on the Jeep forums, like Jason de Monto at Airpark Jeep in Tucson. Send Expeditions West staff off on some epic trip with the J8 to show how the Flippac does not compromise the vehicle's performance off-road. Take some high resolution glam shots of the Flippac to include in a press release that you send to all the Jeep and 4x4 magazines. And so on. There will be time enough to consider an LJ version once the JK version is established.

Looks like the Hollister Rally is going to be great: Introduction of the JK FlipPac, Scott's slide show about the Mongol Rally, an Expedition Trophy competition, pig roast, and lots more. I hope those who attend will take lots of photos!

[JPFreek1]

I don't think anybody is expecting AT to focus on an LJ-version at this time. As a matter of fact, it's been made pretty clear by AT (as evidenced in the interview below) that they will revisit the idea of other Jeep vehicle platforms once the JK version has been proved, etc.

There are many of us anxious to get this thing out in the field and start showing its capabilities to the Jeep community, and the AT folks are aware of the many opportunities they have to build enthusiasm for this product. But there's nothing wrong with folks expressing a long term interest in other vehicle platforms and this is good for AT in determining how to proceed long term.

http://online.jpfreek.com/2010/08/19/industry-interview-with-adventure-trailers/

[kb7our]

I don't think anybody is expecting AT to focus on an LJ-version at this time. As a matter of fact, it's been made pretty clear by AT (as evidenced in the interview below) that they will revisit the idea of other Jeep vehicle platforms once the JK version has been proved, etc.

There are many of us anxious to get this thing out in the field and start showing its capabilities to the Jeep community, and the AT folks are aware of the many opportunities they have to build enthusiasm for this product. But there's nothing wrong with folks expressing a long term interest in other vehicle platforms and this is good for AT in determining how to proceed long term.

http://online.jpfreek.com/2010/08/19/industry-interview-with-adventure-trailers/

Why do I get the feeling that long term an existing company with capital to spend on a proven design will purchase rights from AT for big $$ to begin mass production of various configurations starting with the JK?

[elcoyote]

Could you give me a ruff estimate (I understand it is a swag) on what number of LJ's you would need to:
1. produce at least a prototype
2. mass produce
3. and if all else fails, what the cost would be to produce a custom top for just one LJ (mine) :sombrero:

I just want to know how hard I need to start campaigning with these other LJ owners to make this happen.


1. At least 20 that would be willing to put down a deposit
2. Determined by interest in #1
3. $25-30K +/- because the R&D of #1 still has to happen first


While the total number of LJ's was limited they seem to be falling into the hands of enthusiusts when they enter the resale market. I think that the percentage of LJ owners that might consider a flippac would be considerably higher then the average JK owner. I would be very interested in one for my LJ.

Data? How many LJ's were built? How many in the hands of enthusiasts? The universe of JK owners is without a doubt larger than that of the LJ hence our decision to pursue the JK Habitat version first.


My vote is to put off the development of an LJ of the Flippac. Concentrate on marketing the JK version. Get samples into the hands of people who have visibility on the Jeep forums, like Jason de Monto at Airpark Jeep in Tucson. Send Expeditions West staff off on some epic trip with the J8 to show how the Flippac does not compromise the vehicle's performance off-road. Take some high resolution glam shots of the Flippac to include in a press release that you send to all the Jeep and 4x4 magazines. And so on. There will be time enough to consider an LJ version once the JK version is established.

Looks like the Hollister Rally is going to be great: Introduction of the JK FlipPac, Scott's slide show about the Mongol Rally, an Expedition Trophy competition, pig roast, and lots more. I hope those who attend will take lots of photos!

This is exactly what we are doing with Habitat project. Expect lots of pix. Are you going to be there to share some carnitas & vino verde with us? :chef:


Why do I get the feeling that long term an existing company with capital to spend on a proven design will purchase rights from AT for big $$ to begin mass production of various configurations starting with the JK?

Anything is possible...stretching a hammock in Aruba sounds pretty good to me :)

[jeepdreamer]

While the total number of LJ's was limited they seem to be falling into the hands of enthusiusts when they enter the resale market. I think that the percentage of LJ owners that might consider a flippac would be considerably higher then the average JK owner. I would be very interested in one for my LJ.

Of course you could let them work their magic with the JK version, buy one after the initial breakeven costs are recouped (or used eventually) and then try and entice JScherb into modifing it to fit a LJ and a CJ8...LJ for you and the 8 since its my idear...heehee.:elkgrin:

[kb7our]

Only nearly 64K reads within this thread...must be one of the more boring posts on the portal :Wow1:.

Any chance of posting a few more Habitat pics showing progress towards Hollister since last week's partial reveal?

Do you anticipate moving on the first 10 production run by month end or ?

[BPage]

Of course you could let them work their magic with the JK version, buy one after the initial breakeven costs are recouped (or used eventually) and then try and entice JScherb into modifing it to fit a LJ and a CJ8...LJ for you and the 8 since its my idear...heehee.:elkgrin:

Hey I agree with you... I subscribe to both these post (JScherb and this one) and I think it would be an awesome combo! A modular hard top that was easy to store, and the ability to swap the top plate only to add the FlipPac. That way all AT would have to modify is the top.

That would be a dream top!!!
:sombrero:

[Ford Prefect]

I think that the sleeping platform would too short to be comfortable in the configuration that we have designed. A minimum of 80" is needed for the mattress which means 85" of roof line.

I understand what you are saying.

Is there any reason that you could not fold the matress in half like on an RTT? If you did that, you would easily have the space. God with a full length fold out like on the JK and then you have a nice twin + bed in there. Well... that is what I was thinking anyhow, and I realize that I am speaking from a place of relative ignorance.

Anyhow, cheers

Brian

[elcoyote]

Only nearly 64K reads within this thread...must be one of the more boring posts on the portal :Wow1:.

Any chance of posting a few more Habitat pics showing progress towards Hollister since last week's partial reveal?

Do you anticipate moving on the first 10 production run by month end or ?

We'll have some more pictures in another week.

Production could commence soon after Hollister.

For now, I refer you to this thread about the J8 conversion that will feature many of the solutions we will be offering that are designed to work in harmony with the Habitat top

http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48971

[haven]

"Rumor" no longer: The Adventure Trailers web site now has a page for the JK Habitat

http://www.adventuretrailers.com/jkhabitat.html

The more I think about it, the more I like the entrance to the tent through the side, rather than the rear of the vehicle. That lets you leave your gear in place (perhaps in a drawer system) inside the Jeep when you head upstairs. In most small vehicles, you have to unpack your gear when it's time to camp.

[SilverBullet]

cool, and nice job AT on the new product.

[elcoyote]

The more I think about it, the more I like the entrance to the tent through the side, rather than the rear of the vehicle. That lets you leave your gear in place (perhaps in a drawer system) inside the Jeep when you head upstairs. In most small vehicles, you have to unpack your gear when it's time to camp.

Our thought process exactly.

[Desert Dan]

Couldn't you have the option to enter through the screen doors in the tent?

[elcoyote]

Couldn't you have the option to enter through the screen doors in the tent?

That option will exist in the production version.

[kb7our]

Well done to consider outside ingress/egress as well as internally between the roll bars - the very best of both worlds. Where would a ladder attach or is that a future development?

Do you have mattress dimensions at this stage?

[Beowulf]

If an LJ version was ever built I think outside ingress/egress would be the only way to go. There is just not that much room inside to have the back seat in for a child/dog plus all your gear behind that, and then have room to climb in and up into the tent. Access from the outside would make this much easier. Plus there would easily be room for four people once deployed without the need for moving floor planels.

[elcoyote]

Some sewing issues have prevented us from showing on the J8 at Hollister. :( We fully expect them to be resolved in time for the AT/OJ open house on Oct 9th. :)

[elcoyote]

We're getting busy! :)

[kb7our]

Thanks for sharing additional pics. Can't wait to see the tent frame and material come together and full reveal hopefully at the open house! This top appears glossy but I presume the standard top includes matte black somewhat textured similar to factory as in the original post description or is that an "option"?

[elcoyote]

Thanks for sharing additional pics. Can't wait to see the tent frame and material come together and full reveal hopefully at the open house! This top appears glossy but I presume the standard top includes matte black somewhat textured similar to factory as in the original post description or is that an "option"?

You're welcome. Yes, a textured finish like the factory unit will be available.

[Steve Curren]

Once again AT has done it, sure looks like a perfect system for the JK. Sure wish I could make your open house on the 9th but I am heading out into the desert. Is there any possibility now that you might be making one for a 2 door, I know you are just getting the 4 door moving but I am crossing my fingers.
Way to go guys !!

[Jorsn]

Only 10 units are going to be produced?

[jrueppel]

Fascinating photos of the Habitat coming together there in shiny black. Great look behind the curtain for those of us who have no idea of the work required to make it happen. Thanks Mario!

I noticed on the AT site a little note and a couple of photos of the "Fiamma F35 2.5 meter long awning" on the side of a JK roof rack. The length looks like an almost perfect match for the JK's roofline length. Any chance that the Habitat could be fitted with the longer 2.5 meter awning in place of the previously mentioned 2.0 meter?

[Overland Hadley]

Only 10 units are going to be produced?

Deposits were taken on ten preordered units. Many more will be made.

[elcoyote]

Once again AT has done it, sure looks like a perfect system for the JK. Sure wish I could make your open house on the 9th but I am heading out into the desert. Is there any possibility now that you might be making one for a 2 door, I know you are just getting the 4 door moving but I am crossing my fingers.
Way to go guys !!

Thanks buddy. The 2 door presents some obstacles. We'll see how the 4 door goes in the market and take it from there.


Fascinating photos of the Habitat coming together there in shiny black. Great look behind the curtain for those of us who have no idea of the work required to make it happen. Thanks Mario!

I noticed on the AT site a little note and a couple of photos of the "Fiamma F35 2.5 meter long awning" on the side of a JK roof rack. The length looks like an almost perfect match for the JK's roofline length. Any chance that the Habitat could be fitted with the longer 2.5 meter awning in place of the previously mentioned 2.0 meter?

You're welcome. This has been a long time coming and we like to share.
The 2.5 may be possible. We'll see.


Deposits were taken on ten preordered units. Many more will be made.

You are correct. The first 10 are spoken for by the early adopters of the concept without whom this project would never have gotten off the ground. we thank them for their trust in us to bring this practical solution to market. Once our commitment to the first 10 is fulfilled then we will be in full production. It is our full intention to make this available on a widespread level.

[Steve Curren]

Mario,
Most welcome.. If you ever need a "Volunteer" just lemme know.. A rig like that would be perfect for me and am drooling over it.
Steve

[Roktoys84]

That option will exist in the production version.

I was just thinking that an outside entrance with a ladder and awning like an Eezi Awn would be very cool.

[qwerty]

The 2.5 may be possible. We'll see.

The JK Habitat looks great!

Would it be possible to put two "Fiamma F35 2.5 meter long" awnings on the the same side of the JK Habitat? The second awning could be mounted upside down on the fliptop, so that when the Habitat is open you'll have two awnings side-by-side that together run the entire length of the tent. You can never have too much shade on a hot sunny day. :sombrero:

Would it also be possible to integrate the awning into the Habitat shell itself, making the awning cover flush with the Habitat? I guess the best way to describe this is with a few pictures. The EarthCruiser overland camper has an integrated, flush awning that you can see in theses pics. I greatly prefer the stealth, sleek, aerodynamic design of the integrated awning on the EarthCruiser as opposed to bolting on an awning to the Habitat and having it hang off the side like an appendage.

http://www.earthcruiser.com.au/images/squick_camp_large.jpg

http://www.earthcruiser.com.au/images/home_large1b.jpg

http://www.earthcruiser.com.au/images/eroad_b_large.jpg

http://www.earthcruiser.com.au/images/ecreek_large.jpg

While I'm at it, another feature that I would like to see on the JK Habitat is the option to order it with solar panels integrated into the roof. The EarthCruiser has solar panels on its roof that are also flush with the roof. Ideally, the solar panels would be adjustable so that you could unlock them and angle them (on a hinge perhaps) to better catch the sun. But I think it might be too complex to design an adjustable solar panel system rugged enough to withstand the rigors of overland travel.

Likewise, hopefully some day thin solar film will be cheap enough, flexible enough, and durable enough to integrate into the top of the material used to make awnings.

http://www.earthcruiser.com.au/images/e_rock_climb_large.jpg

[elcoyote]

Mario,
Most welcome.. If you ever need a "Volunteer" just lemme know.. A rig like that would be perfect for me and am drooling over it.
Steve

You bet buddy!


The JK Habitat looks great!

Would it be possible to put two "Fiamma F35 2.5 meter long" awnings on the the same side of the JK Habitat? The second awning could be mounted upside down on the fliptop, so that when the Habitat is open you'll have two awnings side-by-side that together run the entire length of the tent. You can never have too much shade on a hot sunny day. :sombrero:

Interesting concept, that may be possible. We'll see


Would it also be possible to integrate the awning into the Habitat shell itself, making the awning cover flush with the Habitat? I guess the best way to describe this is with a few pictures. The EarthCruiser overland camper has an integrated, flush awning that you can see in theses pics. I greatly prefer the stealth, sleek, aerodynamic design of the integrated awning on the EarthCruiser as opposed to bolting on an awning to the Habitat and having it hang off the side like an appendage.

There is no room to do that given the interior roll cage on the JK/J8. We will not mess with that factory designed safety feature.




While I'm at it, another feature that I would like to see on the JK Habitat is the option to order it with solar panels integrated into the roof. The EarthCruiser has solar panels on its roof that are also flush with the roof. Ideally, the solar panels would be adjustable so that you could unlock them and angle them (on a hinge perhaps) to better catch the sun. But I think it might be too complex to design an adjustable solar panel system rugged enough to withstand the rigors of overland travel.

Likewise, hopefully some day thin solar film will be cheap enough, flexible enough, and durable enough to integrate into the top of the material used to make awnings.


The easiest and most cost effective way to have solar on the Habitat is with the use of a fold-able panel laid out on the awning. Integrated PVs are at great risk on the trail. I have seen prototypes of thin film solar for use in awnings however it is not ready for market yet. Fold-able/portable PVs like the PowerFilm that we sell has advantages over built in units. They are extremely compact and can be used where power is needed rather than solely being vehicle dedicated.

[Steve Curren]

Thanks Mario, you and the "Crew" are great and I totally thank you for everything you have done for me and everyone else..
Best of everything,
Steve

[qwerty]

. . . Integrated PVs are at great risk on the trail. . . .

Good point about the risk of trail damage. That could get really expensive in a hurry!

[Bob599]

I love the development on the JK flip pac and really interested in the new fabric and water proof design. Not trying to hijack the thread but are you going to offer the new design with awnings and water proof fabric on the pick up cap style flip pac as well? I have a 09 F150 and want a flip pac but in Wisconsin we need a water proof tent every night so I thought the standard pick up flip pac would be to much trouble putting a rain cover on and off all the time much less the heat in summer. Just wondering. Seems like jeeps get all the good accessories!

[Martyn]

I love the development on the JK flip pac and really interested in the new fabric and water proof design. Not trying to hijack the thread but are you going to offer the new design with awnings and water proof fabric on the pick up cap style flip pac as well? I have a 09 F150 and want a flip pac but in Wisconsin we need a water proof tent every night so I thought the standard pick up flip pac would be to much trouble putting a rain cover on and off all the time much less the heat in summer. Just wondering. Seems like jeeps get all the good accessories!

A future project that we have already started work on.

[Bob599]

YES! Please start a thread when you think appropriate. Oh and did I metion that I have a 5.5 foot box? Beta test anyone?

Really looking forward to the new fabric. I have spoken to more than a few others in the upper midwest and talked how you have the ultimate solution once you have a water proof fabric.

[kb7our]

:coffee::box:

[Martyn]

:coffee::box:

Attend our open house October 9th in Prescott. You won't have to fret any more if you do.

[kb7our]

Attend our open house October 9th in Prescott. You won't have to fret any more if you do.

:wings:

:smiley_drive:

[dp7197]

:lurk:

[klug]

Attend our open house October 9th in Prescott. You won't have to fret any more if you do.

Any pics from this momentous event?

[TACODOC]

Any pics from this momentous event?

Uno :costumed-smiley-007


Habitat is going on the J8 right now!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs785.snc4/66587_10150100208543275_640113274_7508819_4767957_ n.jpg

[Willman]

:drool:

[bridman225]

grrr... whats going on out there. Must see more pictures. lol. Anyone?

[elcoyote]

grrr... whats going on out there. Must see more pictures. lol. Anyone?

Sorry, we have been slammed. We have so much on our plate to get ready for SEMA as you can imagine. We ran out of time to get the Habitat all assembled for the open house so we thought we would wait before posting any more pictures. You may see pictures of the incomplete unit taken by Chris Marzonie at the open house at the following link:

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50418

[kb7our]

Sorry, we have been slammed. We have so much on our plate to get ready for SEMA as you can imagine. We ran out of time to get the Habitat all assembled for the open house so we thought we would wait before posting any more pictures. You may see pictures of the incomplete unit taken by Chris Marzonie at the open house at the following link:

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50418

Thanks, Mario. We know you guys are doing your best to launch this revolutionary product for the JK. I was hoping to make it to the open house but work had other plans for me.

Two quick questions...

Will the Habitat be fully ready for SEMA and if not, is the project still alive and well?

Thanks!

Wade

[elcoyote]

The project is fully alive and hot. It will be ready for SEMA. It is our sole focus right now with all of our resources working on it.

[ujoint]

Excited to see it @ the show!

[elcoyote]

Late night, last minute SEMA show prep in process

[Rexsname]

Just amazing! I predict that the J8/JK Habitat will be the hit of the SEMA show. Please drive safely!


REX

[WASURF63]

Just amazing! I predict that the J8/JK Habitat will be the hit of the SEMA show. Please drive safely!


REX



x2. Looks pretty kool! Have a good trip. Waiting to see more pics.:coffeedrink:

[jrueppel]

Awesome looking! Great to see it all together at last and nicely done on the tent design details.

[BPage]

Looks good...
Take tons of pictures at SEMA and let us know what those industry types think.
:sombrero:

[AZUnlimited]

Looks great! Please post more pictures once you get it all set up in Vegas.

[haven]

I predict Jeep will want to add it to the Mopar Accessories catalog.

[TACODOC]

From the SEMA 2010 thread here on ExPo: http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51411


SEMA 2010 is firing up, and many of us from ExPo are here for the week. We will use this thread to link images and articles.

Our first business for the event is to get the Jeep J8 with Habitat placed in Mopar Alley. Here it is, deployed, and ready to get placed.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs461.ash2/73459_10150114049808275_640113274_7756001_2958551_ n.jpg

More article, images and updates tonight. We will have three editors working throughout the week to provide the most comprehensive overland coverage on the web.

NICE!!! :coffeedrink::Wow1::drool:

[elcoyote]

Here's another

:wings:

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Is it too early for me to place an order for a new JK at the dealership?

[jnf]

I have been lurking here for months watching the progress and imagining how I would layout the interior of the jeep for use as a camper. I am curious as to the layout of the windows in the rear portion of the tent above the rear doors. Why are the windows so high? It appears that if one is standing inside in the "pass through" area (aligned with the rear doors), there is no ability to see outside of the tent. I am also wondering why there is no window in the back of the tent.

[kb7our]

I have been lurking here for months watching the progress and imagining how I would layout the interior of the jeep for use as a camper. I am curious as to the layout of the windows in the rear portion of the tent above the rear doors. Why are the windows so high? It appears that if one is standing inside in the "pass through" area (aligned with the rear doors), there is no ability to see outside of the tent. I am also wondering why there is no window in the back of the tent.

Same questions and there is supposed to be an exterior entrance capability as well. I could be wrong, but my guess is the production units will have some changes here and there as this is just in time for SEMA release and likely not a ton of time to get everything perfect. AT will do it right with tweaks they deem worthwhile. Sure is awesome to see something of this caliber come to life! Wish I could have mine in time for Santa but I suspect more likely 1Q11.

[Martyn]

Same questions and there is supposed to be an exterior entrance capability as well. I could be wrong, but my guess is the production units will have some changes here and there as this is just in time for SEMA release and likely not a ton of time to get everything perfect. AT will do it right with tweaks they deem worthwhile. Sure is awesome to see something of this caliber come to life! Wish I could have mine in time for Santa but I suspect more likely 1Q11.

The people who made the tent were under the gun to get the tent sewn in a short period of time.

The production tent will be the RTT style windows with "awnings" over the windows. Two windows on each side and one on each end (total of 6 Tacodoc :sombrero:).

The final design is now on CAD and the panels are ready to be cut on a CNC fabric cutter.

[TACODOC]

The people who made the tent were under the gun to get the tent sewn in a short period of time.

The production tent will be the RTT style windows with "awnings" over the windows. Two windows on each side and one on each end (total of 6 Tacodoc :sombrero:).

The final design is now on CAD and the panels are ready to be cut on a CNC fabric cutter.

:coffeedrink:

[Mr. D]

very nice work

[LIVEABOARD]

Met w/Martyn & Mario first time in person after talking over the past yr.
seem like great guys and after seeing the JK Habitat think it has been worth the wait as it takes time to do these things plus their attention to detail in finalizing the product, I am very glad and excited WOW I signed on early to get one as I think it will be very sought after. very excited now. LOOKING FORWARD more then ever. GREAT JOB GUYS

[Martyn]

The first video of the JK Habitat have been posted.

You can see all four of them either at:
The JK Habitat Section (http://www.adventuretrailers.com/page/vehicles/jk_habitat/video/) of our website under video
or
Our AT-Overland Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/ATChaser) on Youtube.

[Printer]

very nice

[TACODOC]

The first video of the JK Habitat have been posted.

You can see all four of them either at:
The JK Habitat Section (http://www.adventuretrailers.com/page/vehicles/jk_habitat/video/) of our website under video
or
Our AT-Overland Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/ATChaser) on Youtube.

What an amazing setup. Great integration of every facet of overland travel into one seamless system.

Simply outstanding!

:bowdown:

[Pest]

Maybe I missed something, am I to understand that it can sleep 5?? 4 up top and 1 on the lower platform? That's great... but it only seats 3 that way..?

[keithro]

Nice videos, why is there no video of it being setup? Is it not 100% functional at this point?

How is the wind noise? I'm very curious to know if the cabin is quieter with the double fiberglass walls.

Please make the window in the rear of the tent structure double as a door (Full Zip). This would serve as a great access point for many people with cluttered rear seat areas. IE....I have multiple car seats in my vehicle and usually many duffle bags. A spare tire step would make it fairly easy to access through the rear with out moving anything in the rear seat area and no need to shuffle anything inside the tent area. Also, no need to lift the floor hatches where my kids might already be sleeping :-)

[Martyn]

Maybe I missed something, am I to understand that it can sleep 5?? 4 up top and 1 on the lower platform? That's great... but it only seats 3 that way..?

The upper tent area can sleep up to 4 people.

If you choose to get stage 1 and 2 interior builds the storage area can fold down do a sleeping platform.

There are various choices here, any mix of the following is possible, the JK habitat, Stage 1 interior system (the rear drawer), Stage 2 interior system, (the front storage system), and the kitchen slide set up (fridge and stove).

Someone with a 4 door JK could fit any of the interior systems, kitchen, stage 1, stage 2. They don't have to buy the Habitat to get these.

The sleeping platform can be used with or without the Habitat.

A wide range of set ups for any JK.

[Martyn]

Nice videos, why is there no video of it being setup? Is it not 100% functional at this point?

How is the wind noise? I'm very curious to know if the cabin is quieter with the double fiberglass walls.

Please make the window in the rear of the tent structure double as a door (Full Zip). This would serve as a great access point for many people with cluttered rear seat areas. IE....I have multiple car seats in my vehicle and usually many duffle bags. A spare tire step would make it fairly easy to access through the rear with out moving anything in the rear seat area and no need to shuffle anything inside the tent area. Also, no need to lift the floor hatches where my kids might already be sleeping :-)

Access to the tent portion of the Habitat from the exterior was part of the original concept, and it is something we are moving ahead with. As I explain in the video the tent on this Habitat is not the same design as the production tent.

[Pest]

The upper tent area can sleep up to 4 people.

If you choose to get stage 1 and 2 interior builds the storage area can fold down do a sleeping platform.

There are various choices here, any mix of the following is possible, the JK habitat, Stage 1 interior system (the rear drawer), Stage 2 interior system, (the front storage system), and the kitchen slide set up (fridge and stove).

Someone with a 4 door JK could fit any of the interior systems, kitchen, stage 1, stage 2. They don't have to buy the Habitat to get these.

The sleeping platform can be used with or without the Habitat.

A wide range of set ups for any JK.

Ah, nifty!

[keithro]

How much is just the kitchen slide setup?

[AZUnlimited]

When can the interior items be ordered and what will the lead time be?

Additionally, are there any pics of the water bag and how it looks when it is mounted?

[AZUnlimited]

How much is just the kitchen slide setup?

I believe they have the pricing up on the at website. It's in the vehicles section of the site.

[Martyn]

I believe they have the pricing up on the at website. It's in the vehicles section of the site.

As stated the pricing is on our website here (http://www.adventuretrailers.com/page/vehicles/jk_habitat/storage/).

[18seeds]

Martyn,

Can you please explain the heat exchanger a little? I see where the cold water goes in and hot water out. I assume 2 of the others are for the coolant. What is the 3rd for?

http://www.adventuretrailers.com/images/accessories/heatxchangetank.jpg

[elcoyote]

Martyn,

Can you please explain the heat exchanger a little? I see where the cold water goes in and hot water out. I assume 2 of the others are for the coolant. What is the 3rd for?

http://www.adventuretrailers.com/images/accessories/heatxchangetank.jpg

Safety blow off valve, just like your hot water heater at home.

[kb7our]

As stated the pricing is on our website here (http://www.adventuretrailers.com/page/vehicles/jk_habitat/storage/).

Very well thought out and practical. Let us all know when everything is actually available so we can get our JKs ready for the Habitat! Some bladder pics, hoses under the JK, and top open/close once that's all working with the torsion bar would be great as well! Also please post weights.

[Shruk]

How does the stove connect to the propane tank? Does it come with the hose/fittings and does it need an separate pressure regulator like for a BBQ? Does it have wind guards?

[Martyn]

How does the stove connect to the propane tank? Does it come with the hose/fittings and does it need an separate pressure regulator like for a BBQ? Does it have wind guards?

The stove comes with a hose and regulator.

As the stove slides under the fridge regular wind guards won't work, we'll have to see about some stand alone ones.

[Martyn]

When can the interior items be ordered and what will the lead time be?

Additionally, are there any pics of the water bag and how it looks when it is mounted?

All the interior items can be ordered now. Depending on what it is that you are ordering turn around time is 2 to 3 weeks. All of the composite storage is made to order and needs to be coated. Fridge and stove slides are ready to be fab'd up.

[Martyn]

Very well thought out and practical. Let us all know when everything is actually available so we can get our JKs ready for the Habitat! Some bladder pics, hoses under the JK, and top open/close once that's all working with the torsion bar would be great as well! Also please post weights.

It's a little difficult to get pictures of everything as the Habitat is moving around a little getting fitted for the production tent and other parts.

The torsion bar works well opening and closing is a one person job. We are having new production torsion bars made at a forge right now, they have a more accurate spring rating for the set up.

I'll find out about pictures of the water bladder and hoses.

We are working on the specifications for the Habitat, but between it moving around and us moving around it's like trying to measure up a moving target.

[Martyn]

The specifications for the JK Habitat are posted on our website here. (http://www.adventuretrailers.com/page/vehicles/jk_habitat/specifications/)

[Jeepin_D]

Is there even a guess yet as to when production Habitat's will be available?

[elcoyote]

We will start delivering the first units in January.

[Shruk]

The stove comes with a hose and regulator.

As the stove slides under the fridge regular wind guards won't work, we'll have to see about some stand alone ones.

What are the measurements on the stove/fridge slide? I've got a tight area, about 25" deep, between my wheel well and tailgate on my truck. I'd rather not build up the floor if I don't have to.

[Martyn]

What are the measurements on the stove/fridge slide? I've got a tight area, about 25" deep, between my wheel well and tailgate on my truck. I'd rather not build up the floor if I don't have to.

I'll get some measurements for you should have something Monday or Tuesday.

[Martyn]

What are the measurements on the stove/fridge slide? I've got a tight area, about 25" deep, between my wheel well and tailgate on my truck. I'd rather not build up the floor if I don't have to.

The Combi Slide is:
29"(737mm) long without the stove
30"(762mm) long with the stove
15 1/2"(394mm) wide and 4"(102mm) tall.

[1leglance]

I just found it on your site...
and wanted to double check the price...
is the $610 just for the slider and a then additional $315 for the stove or is the $610 the price for slide plus stove?
I have a buddy at work that I have been showing the Habitat to and the inside setups.

[Martyn]

I just found it on your site...
and wanted to double check the price...
is the $610 just for the slider and a then additional $315 for the stove or is the $610 the price for slide plus stove?
I have a buddy at work that I have been showing the Habitat to and the inside setups.

The prices are $610.00 for the double slide, and $315.00 for the stove.

The slide uses two locking, full extension slides, rated at 300 lbs. As an OEM we have to buy the slides through a wholesale company, not direct from the manufacturer, as our volumes are not large enough.

The lower tray that holds the stove is a custom item that is produced in low volumes, as is the base used to hold the fridge.

The stove is a Partner Steel Stove, the same one we use in the Horizon trailer, with the controls moved from the side to the end. Easy as that sounds it isn't.

So the pricing reflects high quality, low volume, custom items, made in the USA.

[TACODOC]

Bombproof and worth every penny. Cry once.

That type of slide changes the game, I'd love one in my FP setup. But first I gotta save up for the water heater/tank/shower, the heater, the...

Oi Vey!

[Shruk]

Yeah, we're going with the cry once theme and going to drop the $ on one in the future. It's just a question of which fridge, which dual battery setup, and which to buy first. They basically are all interdependent at this point. How do I know where to start? It's basically the cost of two fridge slides but only takes half the floor space.

[Martyn]

I know exactly where you are all coming from. I have a family budget to live within too, but at the same time I'm a firm believer in high quality durable goods.

I agonize over purchases and tend toward buying a few high quality products, rather than a plethora of items of will eventually end up in my junk pile. My biggest fear is to have a critical item fail in the field as a direct result of me trying to save a few dollars.

[keithro]

What are the stove dimensions? 12x18? 12x16? Are the stoves in stock?

Does the stove just sit in the tray? The extra room in the tray makes up the small pocket next to the stove I presume....

[Martyn]

What are the stove dimensions? 12x18? 12x16? Are the stoves in stock?

Does the stove just sit in the tray? The extra room in the tray makes up the small pocket next to the stove I presume....

We are using an 18" stove with the controls on the end.

The additional space in the lower section can be used to store small items.

[kb7our]

We are using an 18" stove with the controls on the end.

The additional space in the lower section can be used to store small items.

If and when it becomes possible, I would love to see an above perspective looking down at the small JK trunk area with both fridge and right storage drawer open in order to see how much of the small trunk is accessible for storage. I have an expanded trunk area and am trying to decide what to do with it. If I can still get to it with the fridge and right storage drawer in place then that might be good enough to go with the same rear setup as the J8 shown.

[Martyn]

If and when it becomes possible, I would love to see an above perspective looking down at the small JK trunk area with both fridge and right storage drawer open in order to see how much of the small trunk is accessible for storage. I have an expanded trunk area and am trying to decide what to do with it. If I can still get to it with the fridge and right storage drawer in place then that might be good enough to go with the same rear setup as the J8 shown.

A difficult place to get a picture of. I think I show the area in one of the videos.

[RR1]

Interesting, so it is pretty much a big RTT.

I was hoping the whole back area would be open for standing and living.

I was hoping for the same thing. I guess that makes the decision for my new vehicle purchase easier, Jeep is out. Back to looking at pickups....

Now if the guys a AT (or FlipPac) would put one of these rear doors on. Hint Hint....

http://www.blueribbonauto.com/files/gallery/FordTopperFullDoor-lg.jpg

[Martyn]

I was hoping for the same thing. I guess that makes the decision for my new vehicle purchase easier, Jeep is out. Back to looking at pickups....

Now if the guys a AT (or FlipPac) would put one of these rear doors on. Hint Hint....

http://www.blueribbonauto.com/files/gallery/FordTopperFullDoor-lg.jpg

The JK has an internal roll cage that makes full access to the Habitat, i.e the same area available in a pickup with an AT FlipPac, impossible for us to do as manufacturers. What you do to the Habitat and your JK is a different matter. We leave the vehicle stock and just replace the hard top.

As soon as you add a rear door to the FlipPac it becomes vehicle specific. As soon as it become vehicle specific the price goes up. As the market for this product is small the price goes way up.

[RR1]

The JK has an internal roll cage that makes full access to the Habitat, i.e the same area available in a pickup with an AT FlipPac, impossible for us to do as manufacturers. What you do to the Habitat and your JK is a different matter. We leave the vehicle stock and just replace the hard top.

I was looking on your website, the entry doesn't look that big compared to an Earthroamer JK. My buddy has an older Flip Pac on his truck, I like it because if the weather is bad there is plenty of room to change clothes, cook, hang out whatever. Just getting in and out of a conventional tail gate setup is a bit of a pain, those doors like I pictured off that ARE are fricken nice. Have one on my current topper.
I do understand the higher cost of building vehicle specific doors.

I can't find any pictures of yours to compare it side by side, only the video on your site. http://www.adventuretrailers.com/page/vehicles/jk_habitat/video/

I was hoping for a "poorman's" Earthroamer, but, no worries I can get what I want from a pickup truck.

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2007/XV-JP_EW-Tacoma_%20Rubicon/EarthRoamer_XV-JP_Interior.jpg

[bmwrider75]

Great looking conversion!!

I have another question about the sleeping arrangements. Your website says the mattress is 4ft x 7ft, yet you say it can sleep up to 4 up top?

What am I missing? That seems only fit for 2.

But I'd love to find a nice, solid, 4x4 capable vehicle like this that allows me to sleep my wife and I and our two kids, with the dog downstairs somewhere. Currently I have an FWC Hawk on my F150 but I am finding it a bit heavy for a 1/2 ton, and like the single-compartment camper-van-like setup of this rig.

Thanks!

Dan

[Harp]

I have investigated the door option. Have you ever crawled through the A.R.E door? For me being 5' 9" it was a small fit. I like having a tailgate area to sit and put stuff. Having one big gull wing door on the back would be all right it would act as a small canopy but you do lose the tailgate room. I have a pull down screen for bug control while leaving the back open. a handle on the inside of the flippac window helps to close it from the inside. If your putting in a door see the post from Bella about his full size door. Alot of retro fitting. Flippac did have a barn door option years ago but Martyn is right about the cost thing. Would maybe be feasable for one small, regular and one full size specific vehicle but with a nitch market that to would be expensive.

[elmo_4_vt]

Martyn,
You said in an earlier post that the tent for the Habitat will be more like a RTT, having window awnings and similar heavy waterproof fabric. Will this tent configuration and material make it's way into the standard AT Flip-pacs?

-

[Scott Brady]

Being the only person on the planet who has owned both an XVJP and an AT Habitat , I can provide some perspective on entry and interior space and a few initial thoughts.

The Habitat is clearly designed to augment a stock vehicle, and as such, the price is 5% of an EarthRoamer conversion (which can only be purchased one way). No doubt the XVJP is easier to enter, although my JP had a terrible rear bumper that had to be swung-out first before opening the rear door. An AEV bumper would solve that.

The EarthRoamer also feels more like a camper- because it is. The Habitat is more simple and robust, and still allows five passengers. The EarthRoamer has many integrated systems and reflects Bill's uncanny ability of making something small seem big inside. I lived in my XVJP for three months straight and never felt the design to be laking (considering the platform). The EarthRoamer JP is a unique and extremely niche (and expensive) product. I was owner #6.

With the Habitat up, the space inside is massive. It is so big, you could put a table and two chairs in the space above the driver passenger and have a tea party. You can also sleep 4-6 comfortably in the Habitat, and the Habitat can be configured to sleep 1-2 with the top closed. That is one of my expectations of a pop-top- you must be able to sleep in the vehicle with it closed-up (weather, security, etc.)

There are a few things I really like about the Habitat design.
1. Simple, Strong and Light
2. A la carte approach, from just the top to a full camper design (which can be done by the owner or AT)
3. Vehicle can be returned to stock and a new Jeep can be purchased. Have a 2007 and plan to upgrade to a 2012 for the new V6? No problem.
4. No change to the vehicle warranty and limited change to its ride/drive/functionality.
5. Incredible bargain IMO. $6,000 for a top, which is less than the factory top option, a rack and RTT - amazing.

[kb7our]

Being the only person on the planet who has owned both an XVJP and an AT Habitat , I can provide some perspective on entry and interior space and a few initial thoughts.

The Habitat is clearly designed to augment a stock vehicle, and as such, the price is 5% of an EarthRoamer conversion (which can only be purchased one way). No doubt the XVJP is easier to enter, although my JP had a terrible rear bumper that had to be swung-out first before opening the rear door. An AEV bumper would solve that.

The EarthRoamer also feels more like a camper- because it is. The Habitat is more simple and robust, and still allows five passengers. The EarthRoamer has many integrated systems and reflects Bill's uncanny ability of making something small seem big inside. I lived in my XVJP for three months straight and never felt the design to be laking (considering the platform). The EarthRoamer JP is a unique and extremely niche (and expensive) product. I was owner #6.

With the Habitat up, the space inside is massive. It is so big, you could put a table and two chairs in the space above the driver passenger and have a tea party. You can also sleep 4-6 comfortably in the Habitat, and the Habitat can be configured to sleep 1-2 with the top closed. That is one of my expectations of a pop-top- you must be able to sleep in the vehicle with it closed-up (weather, security, etc.)

There are a few things I really like about the Habitat design.
1. Simple, Strong and Light
2. A la carte approach, from just the top to a full camper design (which can be done by the owner or AT)
3. Vehicle can be returned to stock and a new Jeep can be purchased. Have a 2007 and plan to upgrade to a 2012 for the new V6? No problem.
4. No change to the vehicle warranty and limited change to its ride/drive/functionality.
5. Incredible bargain IMO. $6,000 for a top, which is less than the factory top option, a rack and RTT - amazing.


Thanks for the brief and helpful comparison/observations from a very practical standpoint. Do you think the AEV bowl snorkel will interfere with the open Habitat? I have one mounted on my JK and would like to keep it. How about the ram air version?

[Scott Brady]

I am certain the ram-air will work. Not certain about the pre-cleaner

[RR1]

You can also sleep 4-6 comfortably in the Habitat.

I dunno knooow about that, maybe if it was one guy and his harem.:ylsmoke:

[Scott Brady]

Seriously. :sombrero:

You can sleep 2-3 on the front half and 2-3 on the back half. There are inserts that plug the entry hole and make another sleeping surface. Four would sleep super comfy.

[bmwrider75]

Wow. That's very cool. I think I have a new dream rig. :bike_rider:

Time to start saving.

dc

[Martyn]

Martyn,
You said in an earlier post that the tent for the Habitat will be more like a RTT, having window awnings and similar heavy waterproof fabric. Will this tent configuration and material make it's way into the standard AT Flip-pacs?

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We will be making tents from the same material for AT-FlipPacs. We won't be starting on that project until the Habitat production is running smoothly.