The J8 thread....

[Metcalf]

I would like to start a discussion on using the J8 as a technical terrain expedition vehicle.........

We got into this discussion a little bit in a G post in another part of the forum. I will post up a forward there.

What is everyone's opinion on the J8, modifications you would want to make, things the factory could have done better, or products and ideas you would like to see?

I have been looking at the J8 3-door pretty seriously for the past month or so. I think it has great potential, to be built, to fill a gap in vehicle choices I see between a full tube frame rock buggy and any other off the shelf off road vehicle.

Thoughts, opinions, venting, and all other forms of discussions welcome!

The J8.....

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/05/AEV_J8_MILSPEC.jpg

[Metcalf]

Reviews:

http://www.jeepolog.com/UserFiles/english_pages/jeep%20j8%20road%20test.htm

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/05/road-test-review-aev-j8-milspec.html

http://jalopnik.com/5248496/aev-j8-milspec-offroading-jeeps-forbidden-fruit

http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com/galleries/j8sarge/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lRtvZKUBHI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6UlZwyuQmw

[logos]

I have 2 issues with the J8. First, I cannot afford it. It's way too much money for a vehicle without an engine/transmission. Second, gettting it titled and registered could be nearly impossible.

On the other hand, it is my dream vehicle. with a diesel engine, manual transmission, and heavy duty axles, I see nothing else that can compete.

[Metcalf]

Yes....expensive.....but other options in the same category are very limited.

I don't know if the manual is going to be an option in the J8. Last I heard AEV was going to look into it but removing the auto wiring was a big deal.

I don't think getting it licensed will be too bad. At least not in a lot of places I have lived over the years. My old Willys MB didn't have a VIN and it wasn't more than two trips to the DMV to get it licensed.

I do wish that the J8 would have came with locking diffs from the factory. ARB lockers are the only real choice I think. The semi-weird rear D60 with the c-clip 35 spline axles makes it an odd duck. The RD42 ARB should work though. In the front I would think the standard D44 ARB should work? Anyone?

I would like to see someone come up with a full floater rear conversion for the J8. Perhaps something with serviceable wheel bearings for the front too.

Does anyone know if the J8 has ABS?

Good hummer-style bead lock wheels would be on my modification wish list also. If I remember right Rockmonster/hutchinson makes a 4.63" BS, 17x8.5, 5 on 5.5 wheel that might work on the J8.

[Root Moose]

I'll reiterate a bit of what I said in the other thread.

I'm a huge fan of the J8/JK but attempting to be objective about them I'll say my bit anyway in the hopes that someone at ChryCo may read this and consider these things for the future.

First, I don't think the quality is there for the amount they are asking. I could drop the money on this truck if I wanted - it's not a finances thing.

I've never seen a J8 in the buff but the stuff I have issue with is endemic to the JK in general. The plastics used aren't that great. They are flimsy. The moldings around the windshield frame are kinda nasty for example. They look like they'd part ways with the frame quickly if you were the type to put your windshield down much.

I don't like how the entire side of the tub vibrates like a wet noodle when you close the door with any moderate force.

For the money they are asking and the target audience the rear end should be a full floater. Both axles should be locked.

You guys know I'm not that fussy about diesel engines and manual transmissions (in Jeeps). It's fine IMO. Maybe the 4.7 V8 as an option makes sense if it makes a difference in MPGs at cruise compared to the Hemi. I dunno, just throwing that out there. I'm not one for "hot rod" engines in a work horse so take that with a grain of salt.

I'm being overly critical because you asked. I like the vehicle immensely. I'd still take this vehicle over a used Defender 90 or Geländewagen of similar value. Just due to the economics of of maintaining the vehicle and "blending in". That's a North America perspective of course. If I was in Europe I may feel different.

$0.02

[Metcalf]

I've never seen a J8 in the buff but the stuff I have issue with is endemic to the JK in general. The plastics used aren't that great. They are flimsy. The moldings around the windshield frame are kinda nasty for example. They look like they'd part ways with the frame quickly if you were the type to put your windshield down much.

I agree. I think the JK is lacking in this area. Perhaps with the somewhat limited interior in the J8 it wouldn't be too much of an issue?

I don't like how the entire side of the tub vibrates like a wet noodle when you close the door with any moderate force.

I hope that the J8 body is significantly beefer than the JK. Can anyone confirm what is different? I'm digging on the 3-door version but I am sure everyone will have there different tastes....

For the money they are asking and the target audience the rear end should be a full floater. Both axles should be locked.

Ideally, in a perfect world, I would like to see a full-floater rear axle with stubby D60 sized hubs. 8-lug wheels would not be terrible also considering the payload and intended use. It should have come with lockers for sure! I would also liked to have seen serviceable front wheel bearings, but that is kinda going out of style these days.

You guys know I'm not that fussy about diesel engines and manual transmissions (in Jeeps). It's fine IMO. Maybe the 4.7 V8 as an option makes sense if it makes a difference in MPGs at cruise compared to the Hemi. I dunno, just throwing that out there. I'm not one for "hot rod" engines in a work horse so take that with a grain of salt.

I have to admit that its the turbo diesel that sells it for me....

[Root Moose]

I would also liked to have seen serviceable front wheel bearings, but that is kinda going out of style these days.

We kinda obliquely touched on this in the ChryCo 8.25 thread.

The nice thing about uni-bearings is that if you break a shaft it is almost a trivial trail side repair compared to a serviceable bearing.

The failing of uni-bearings is replacement cost. If my XJ is any indication, the OEM units are good for ~150k miles so I'm not too excited about the cost to replace (as in its not a big deal). Besides, they aren't that expensive.

Were you aware the XK used a full float rear axle? It's not like ChryCo couldn't have done something from the parts bin to get the full float parts onto the J8 (provided relative scale works) and/or that the design work is still kicking around and could have been scaled up.

Back to the price thing... what exactly is differenct between the J8 and the JK besides the engine options? Axles? Interior trim? Is that it? I really doubt the tub is any different other than the two door, long variant being available. Why wouldn't buying a JK Rubicon and doing a re-engine be a better value? It's not like the Rubi has crap axles. They are certainly strong enough for overland use IMO.

[Metcalf]

We kinda obliquely touched on this in the ChryCo 8.25 thread.

I will have to look....

The nice thing about uni-bearings is that if you break a shaft it is almost a trivial trail side repair compared to a serviceable bearing.

This is true, but with most uni-bearings you have to have the outer stub in place and torqued to allow the front axle to function. With serviceable bearings you can pull the axle all together if you need to.

If I remember right though the uni-bearings in the JK do not need the axle in them.....I can't remember the term....

I'm old school when it comes to bearings.....

The failing of uni-bearings is replacement cost. If my XJ is any indication, the OEM units are good for ~150k miles so I'm not too excited about the cost to replace (as in its not a big deal). Besides, they aren't that expensive.

They are not that expensive...true.

My favorite setup of all time is a full floating rear that has matching bearings as the front. This way you only have to carry one spare set and it fits all 4 corners....less spare parts, less weight, etc.

Were you aware the XK used a full float rear axle? It's not like ChryCo couldn't have done something from the parts bin to get the full float parts onto the J8 (provided relative scale works) and/or that the design work is still kicking around and could have been scaled up.

I think the rear axle they used is pulled from the srt10 truck? Or something very similar?

I would have liked to see the J8 use the uni-bearing from a 2500/2500 truck front and back. 8-lug is fine. the 33 spline is tough enough I think. This would make a great upgrade I think. This way it would use a common easy to find part front and back. It would also be pretty dang heavy duty.....

Back to the price thing... what exactly is differenct between the J8 and the JK besides the engine options? Axles? Interior trim? Is that it? I really doubt the tub is any different other than the two door, long variant being available. Why wouldn't buying a JK Rubicon and doing a re-engine be a better value? It's not like the Rubi has crap axles. They are certainly strong enough for overland use IMO.

As far as I have heard the J8 is in an entirely different class than the JK...

-Heavy duty frame
-Stiffened and beefed up body (from what I have heard is 'different')
-rear leaf springs
-D60 35 spline c-clip rear
-D44 front has bigger brakes and thicker axle tubes
-Turbo diesel comes with an upgraded 48C rated cooling system
-snorkel air cleaner thing rated for severe dust service XX hours
-Bumpers function as lifting points

????????

[Root Moose]

My favorite setup of all time is a full floating rear that has matching bearings as the front. This way you only have to carry one spare set and it fits all 4 corners....less spare parts, less weight, etc.

I like this as well. In the diagram that getlost4x4 posted it looks like the 8.25" FF in the XK uses uni-bearings too.

You know, I have the WARN hub kit and FF conversion on my XJ. I've never bothered to look if they use the same bearings. I'll check next time I'm out in the 'shop.


I think the rear axle they used is pulled from the srt10 truck? Or something very similar?

Yeah, I dunno. The only reason why I'm up on ChryCo anything is because of Jeep. Really don't know much about the rest of their products.


I would have liked to see the J8 use the uni-bearing from a 2500/2500 truck front and back. 8-lug is fine. the 33 spline is tough enough I think. This would make a great upgrade I think. This way it would use a common easy to find part front and back. It would also be pretty dang heavy duty.....

Yep, pillage the parts bin for profit. Works for me.


As far as I have heard the J8 is in an entirely different class than the JK...

-Heavy duty frame
-Stiffened and beefed up body (from what I have heard is 'different')
-rear leaf springs
-D60 35 spline c-clip rear
-D44 front has bigger brakes and thicker axle tubes
-Turbo diesel comes with an upgraded 48C rated cooling system
-snorkel air cleaner thing rated for severe dust service XX hours
-Bumpers function as lifting points

????????

Fan pf the frame, tub, leaves and bigger brakes. The D60 would be nice with FF but I guess I contradicted myself with the JK D44 reference a few posts up. If they are going to bother with it do it right I guess my point I was trying to make.

The rest I'm mostly ambivalent. :)

[4Rescue]

...I don't know if the manual is going to be an option in the J8. Last I heard AEV was going to look into it but removing the auto wiring was a big deal.

....
Game Over... no maual makes it "not the truck for me" so there's my opinion from my intrest point.

Now as for how well it'll fare. I like it. I think that losing the LJ body option was a big mistake they really were about the perfect all arou d wrangler for the trails. I've always LOVED CJ6,8 and LJ's so this J8 is right up my stylistic alley.

As for equipment:
-I'd like to see it come with F/R Lockers for that kind of coin.
-Obviously the I'm against the auto tranny, but it'll suit those who like them very well if it turns out to be a stout unit. I think some kind of TF727 Variant (like from a Dodge truck was it the 904 or something????) would be great but I'm not aware of what they're using so I'm just day dreaming here.
-I think really that for all the work they put into the idea of a snorkle I'd still prefer it to go up to the top of the A-Pillar like a traditional snorkle.
-Really, I'd like a matching d60 up front instead of the d44 that's there. But that's just the over builder in me...

Other then that I think it's a SWEET rig that's more akin to what I want in a truck then I've seen available here for a long time. Toyota had a hell of an oppertounity to do something with the FJ and while they are neat trucks that ARE Toyotas it's just not the same as the Wrangler and what they've done with it all these years... IF Jeep sold it at a stealership like this with a "Rubicon" package alog sode the opther 2 models but in a w/b between the 4/2 dr's it'd be worth a look for me... Add a diesel and a 5spd and I might be back in a Jeep wich is something I swore I wouldn't do awhile ago ;)

Cheers

Dave

[The Swiss]

Good hummer-style bead lock wheels would be on my modification wish list also. If I remember right Rockmonster/hutchinson makes a 4.63" BS, 17x8.5, 5 on 5.5 wheel that might work on the J8.The beige J8 AEV has parked in front of their building rolls on 255/80-17 BFG MT KM2, one size up from the stock 255/75-17 stock Rubi tires. So far, this tire dimension is just a prototype. Sure hope BFG starts making them; a taller tire without getting wider would be right down my alley.

[Outback]

I have yet to see a price tag on the vehicle. Does anyone have an idea of price?

[Layonnn]

I have yet to see a price tag on the vehicle. Does anyone have an idea of price?

i believe what i read was a base of about 43K and then they sell you the engine separately, at about 8K for either, then you have to install or have installed. It is sold as a kit car and i don't think can be sold as a turn key vehicle. I think this is close to accurate.

[Outback]

Nope not worth it. You can build something much better for your needs at a smaller price tag. No at that price it becomes someones bragging rights. These will be sold to people who have nothing better to do with there money and use stuff like this to make them feel better. Yes it has a better frame. better axles kinda but thats it. Not worth the extra money. .....In my opinion.

[Stumpalump]

30296


This was my fun as a passenger in an JK rubicon.
All I will add is that the factory cage is junk. The first easy roll had the windsheild in my face instantly and the second crushed the main hoop down to the drivers seat back. It looks strong but is just tin sheetmetal so put a cage in a JK and don't be fooled by the factory roll bar.

[jingram]

Game Over... no maual makes it "not the truck for me" so there's my opinion from my intrest point.

This was from my conversation with Dave at AEV. Personally, I was looking at the J8 pretty seriously, but the lack of a manual transmission killed it for me. Like you all, I too think it should have been locked front and rear from the factory. Conversation on AEV forums hints that ChryCo is charging an arm and a leg for these rolling chassis because they can, certainly not because the extra bit of frame reinforcement and the bigger rear axle/leaf spring combo costs them much more. In fact, with all of the things being stripped the J8, my guess is cost wise it is a wash for them compared to a Rubi. It is interesting how AEV is playing the kit car angle to get these to folks though. People want to piss on their parade, but the reality is that they don't have a whole lot of choices and are doing this to make some money and provide a service to the jeep and overland communities. If you look at in the context of guys buying JKs and then doing $15k-$20k hemi swaps then it makes A LOT of sense to just buy a J8. ChryCo can say whatever they want about emissions, but the reality is that they are producing JKs in the US with diesels and manuals and shipping them overseas. If we want to get pissy, it should be at ChryCo. Anyway, Lots of this stuff has been hashed over there:

Me:

I know all of the negatives about a manual transmission in this application and know your thoughts on this, but I also know that you came out with a manual option for the hemi kits. Since the CRD in Europe and Aus comes with a manual option, even if the 2.8 has been detuned, will a manual kit be offered for the j8? Honestly, it is really the only thing holding me back at this point. As far as I am concerned this is a lifetime vehicle and the perfect expedition vehicle outside of say a 70 Series LC or Nissan Patrol, but I just can't bring myself to buy a slush box.

Dave:

I understand your caution on the automatic, but here are my thoughts:
•All military vehicles are autos, they are easier to drive and shoot or drive and be injured etc...hopefully the first one is never a concern, but the second certainly can be in the middle of nowhere.
•The 545 is rated to two 17000 lbs and is used in the Dodge Ram, Grand Cherokees, Commanders, Durangos, etc...Its a fantastic transmission (for an auto )
•I don't know what it would take to convert a J8 to a manual, but it should be pretty easy, it might not be something we would offer, but the parts are available oversees as you say, meaning it might cost some in shipping, but its not a fabrication project.
•I've driven the 2.8 auto and the 2.8 manual. While I do like the manual better, its not that much better that it would keep me away from the J8, not at all. For reference, we have a 1 ton Ram manual.Cummins and an auto, the auto is terrible, it feels like a completely different engine and I would never buy another auto in the Dodge again. The J8 is not like that.
•We did the HEMI 5.7 because its more of a "fun" engine than the diesel, and the manual is great for goofing off.

Me:

I appreciate your input very much. Clearly you are right, it would be much easier to drive and shoot or drive while injured and to be quite frank I had never really put it into that perspective before. I know I can try and track parts down overseas. The biggest issue would be canbus and the ecu wouldn't it?

Dave:

No, the biggest issue would be pulling out all the unnecessary wiring that the 545 uses. The ECU would work fine since in this application it operates pretty much as a stand alone computer just for the engine, the trans controller won't be happy but who cares.

[Metcalf]

I'm going to bring this one back up again....

I think the J8 has a lot of potential for a bolt together Diesel Expedition vehicle in the USA. Sure, you can convert just about anything to anything, but for a bolt together in the Wal-mart parking lot kind of option I think the J8 takes the cake.

I hear everyone's concern over the auto vs manual. This boils down to the tipping point ( other than cost ) for most people.

If you add it all up even with the reported 50K ticket price, I think you would be VERY hard pressed to build something comparable for less money. Yes, it has its issues where you think....why didn't they just do it this way!....but overall it has to be a proven package for military applications. While I don't fully understand the implications of the 'severe' duty testing that the J8 platform went through, I would have to assume that if the standard JK would have been able to even come close to the durability needed they wouldn't have made so many changes within the J8.

Time will tell for sure. Once the first people in the market get there hands on one I am sure we will hear ALL about every little detail!

[upcruiser]

I am a huge fan of this vehicle. I think it has great potential as a starting point. Mechanically what do you really need for ovlerand travel? The frame, the suspension components, are all designed to take more punishment then most overlanders will give it stock. It doesn't have lockers? For real overlanding trips, how often do you really need lockers? Maybe a rear sometimes but so what, throw in an ARB setup and have the benefit of onboard air too.

Many members of this board post about how they wish there was a bare bones, all utility offroader with a diesel powerplant available in the US. Well here it is, in a couple of different body styles nonetheless. I'd take this over importing a used, early '80s 70 series Troopy if I was going to embark in a long overland trip. The Troopies are great, but they are used, this is brand spanking new. The price may seem a bit steep but again, as others mentioned, it is comparable to other options in the category, of which you AREN'T getting a new vehicle. I'm sure that it COULD be sold for cheaper but Jeep isn't offering it that way. For AEV to be able to come in and offer us these chasis and powerplants for that cost is pretty amazing IMO. I give them alot of credit for being braver then Jeep, Toyota, Nissan, Land Rover, and anybody else for offering what we've been asking for all along in the US market. Thanks AEV!

[BIGdaddy]

I am a huge fan of this vehicle. I think it has great potential as a starting point. Mechanically what do you really need for ovlerand travel? The frame, the suspension components, are all designed to take more punishment then most overlanders will give it stock. It doesn't have lockers? For real overlanding trips, how often do you really need lockers? Maybe a rear sometimes but so what, throw in an ARB setup and have the benefit of onboard air too.

Many members of this board post about how they wish there was a bare bones, all utility offroader with a diesel powerplant available in the US. Well here it is, in a couple of different body styles nonetheless. I'd take this over importing a used, early '80s 70 series Troopy if I was going to embark in a long overland trip. The Troopies are great, but they are used, this is brand spanking new. The price may seem a bit steep but again, as others mentioned, it is comparable to other options in the category, of which you AREN'T getting a new vehicle. I'm sure that it COULD be sold for cheaper but Jeep isn't offering it that way. For AEV to be able to come in and offer us these chasis and powerplants for that cost is pretty amazing IMO. I give them alot of credit for being braver then Jeep, Toyota, Nissan, Land Rover, and anybody else for offering what we've been asking for all along in the US market. Thanks AEV!

yup, this is what I think, too.

109"
D110
G-wagon
J-8

I'd choose the J8 in a heartbeat.

[upcruiser]

A couple of points for clarification I'd like to make in this thread. I've seen a couple of statements regarding some details of the J8 that aren't quite true perpetuated a bit on the net. The truck isn't sold to AEV as a "rolling chasis". They actually purchase all the pieces of the chasis and hand assemble the entire vehicle. Secondly, the diesel engine is not the CRD diesel, it is a completely different engine built in Italy as a military spec motor which from what I understand is engineered to quite higher tollerances and designed for much more abusive field duty. I had the pleasure of spending a couple of days with Dave's business partner and co owner last weekend and got the 1st hand low down on the J8's.

[Backwoods Rambler]

A couple of points for clarification ......The truck isn't sold to AEV as a "rolling chasis". They actually purchase all the pieces of the chasis and hand assemble the entire vehicle. ..........I had the pleasure of spending a couple of days with Dave's business partner and co owner last weekend and got the 1st hand low down on the J8's.

WOW, that's pretty impressive. What an undertaking! :Wow1:

[upcruiser]

WOW, that's pretty impressive. What an undertaking! :Wow1:

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Supposedly the quality of the build is better due to the hand built nature and attention to detail. And the construction I was referring to is specific to the chasis more or less as the engine is obviously a drop in unit that is sourced. They construct the vehicles in AEV's Detroit manufacturing facility.

[haven]

Thanks, Kristian, for the clarification.

I'd like to hear any additional information anyone has about how the J8's diesel engine differs from the VM Motori four cylinder turbodiesel that's installed by Magna Steyr in Wranglers for sale in Europe.

[upcruiser]

Clipped off of AEV's site... "A VM 2.8-liter diesel engine rated at 174 hp and 339 lb.-ft.of torque" which sounds like the CRD unit to me.

[Root Moose]

I must admit that I am warming up to the J8 a lot more.

[SeaRubi]

The price seems pretty competitive for what you're getting: a heavy duty, hand-built truck to your specifications. I stock Rubicon is sticker'ing for north of 30k.

I suppose the question you have to ask yourself is this: does all that extra beef have a use? If I were needing a vehicle to transport heavy equipment day in and day out, or to have more of a utility type bed for lots of tools to use as some kind of service truck, yes - that would make sense. But as a platform for general wandering? It might be a bit much - a bone-stock JK Unlimited is still a fine vehicle withy plenty of frame to work with. I personally would hate to give up the highway and trail friendly rear coils, or the efficient, trusty little V6.

As for durability - are there common and known deficiencies with the JK platform when abused properly over harsh terrain for months and months?

As far as the comment about the body panels shaking with the door being shut - I have a 2008 and mine exhibits no such behavior. Admittedly, it does seem like the body panels are pretty thin, but that's just fine with me: I'll take the lighter weight panels over an ability to fend off bullets :coffeedrink:

The J8 does seem like an impressive vehicle - just way more than I'd ever need.

[alosix]

Clipped off of AEV's site... "A VM 2.8-liter diesel engine rated at 174 hp and 339 lb.-ft.of torque" which sounds like the CRD unit to me.

Well, they both are 'CRD' engines (Common Rail Diesel). The new JKs and J8s got the newer version of the VM Motori engine.

Now, I was under the impression from talking to Jim and Dave via email that the engine/trans were the same ones that go into the euro spec JKs. Chosen more for parts availability than anything. Same reason they don't offer the man trans with it.

Jason

[Metcalf]

From what I understand you can get the 6-speed manual behind the CRD in JK's overseas. I think the automatic transmission decision was based more on the availability of the J9 wiring harness. Looking at all the differences between the J8 and JK as far as wiring I think offering another wiring harness just for the 6-speed on the J8 platform wouldn't be remotely cost effective.

I think the durability of the J8 will come into play since this vehicle is going to be more of a 'lifetime' purchase. I don't see people trading these in every few years for a new one. The durability will come into play after the first 10 years of service of so. I don't think the JK has been around long enough to determine what the weaknesses are going to be. Even with the TJ, you are just starting to hear about people wearing them out after years of hard 'wheeling. I heard that Jim Frens over at AEV/Nth wore out a few TJ frames and axles testing his suspension systems. Time will tell. My old 1942 Willys jeep has been going for about 67 years now. Still the original frame and body, but it has been rebuilt at least two times over the years. Its in need of another rebuild soon......

I think the J8 has a lot of potential for sure. It will be interesting to see the reviews and the modifications once they make it into peoples hands.

Has anyone heard anything on delivery date for the first batch?

If I buy one does anyone want to help install the motor/Trans in a Walmart parking lot :) I think that would make an great story for a magazine!!

[haven]

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z241/expeditioncampers/AEVj8-diesel-suv.jpg

Automobile Magazine had some time behind the wheel of a J8
with diesel engine. The trip was in the eastern Sierra Nevada
mountains. AEV founder, Dave Harriton came along.

There's a gallery of photos showing the J8 visiting the Bodie
State Park ghost town, too.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0912_jeep_aev_j8_milspec/index.html

[Metcalf]

I thought I would move this to the top...

Has anyone heard when the first ones are going to come out of AEV for the public. This vehicle is still high on my wish list. A long wheel base 3-door Diesel J8 could fill a very big void of my life. This model IMOO comes as close as possible in the USA to what Tom Shepard has in his simple functional G-wagen. I really wish that the J8 had this or that....but i'm just being nit-picky because of the price.

[Metcalf]

Top again,

I just fired off an email to AEV asking for some updated information on the project.

Anyone hear anything lately?

Will update if I get any news....

[jingram]

I haven't heard anything... although did see that Expeditions West has a white one on site now. My biggest question is how are people paying for these... outright or financing somehow?

[upcruiser]

I heard that Chrysler had upped the minimum order number for AEV to take shipment by something like 5 vehicles. They were pretty close to having enough preorders though. The white J8 that EW had was not an AEV built unit but I can't remember exactly what channels they obtained it through.

[alosix]

I heard that Chrysler had upped the minimum order number for AEV to take shipment by something like 5 vehicles. They were pretty close to having enough preorders though. The white J8 that EW had was not an AEV built unit but I can't remember exactly what channels they obtained it through.

50-55 seems like an odd move, but who knows.

The lack of communication from AEV is odd though, they are normally pretty good with that. I've been on the 'order list' and haven't heard anything in nearly a year. My situation has changed a bit since then, so I'm not sure if a 50k jeep is in my future.

Jason

[jeepdreamer]

I wanted to toss my .o2 cents in just...well, because. I have a few thoughts and or questions.
I remember when I first saw an article on the J8. I was floored and covered in drool. Since we can't get ChrCOiat? to bring us a real Jtruck (yes, I've seen "it" and no...its not!) nor do they seem to be able to offer us a diesel for a 'baby' jeep...this was my big hope crossover vehicle.
I remember seeing YJs that were Scrambler length back in the early 90s in Kuwait. After we got done mopping stuff up and settled in to occupy for a while I remeber thinking they were sweet.
Well, here I am again...this time a bit further north wrappin up this sequel and something that strikes me as a bit funny...We get lots of "issues" with the big road warrior trucks. Granted they have a hard life and are plain FAT! But let services slip a bit and that pig will eat a tranny like a fat kid in a doughnut shop! We also see a great number of NTVs (non-tactical vehicles) being used for all sorts of stuff...people literally fight over (and maybe steal) these trucks They range from Diesel and gas yotas and cruisers to F250-350s...and believe me when I say that they recieve NO LOVE! Beaten, overloaded, hardly serviced, and generally just abused! But they keep on tickin'!
So how much is enough with respect to the J8? 1ton rated? 3/4? ton and a 1/4? I'd be curious to buy a used (one or two year old) JK and do a full on conversion to it and see where the price tag lays. Stretch and Plate any weak spots in the frame. Torch off the rear erector set and add leaves. Ring up Dynatrac (or whomever) and order up a set of 60s geared, locked, and loaded. Stretch the body or whatever is needed to make it into a 3 door. Then go diesel shopping.
I remember the TLC ICON being offered with a brand new Rover TDI imported from Brasil ( I think?) and coupled to an NV4500 and an Atlas. But it was also a hancrafted FJ...even if its price tag was far north of 50k!!
So where do we draw lines? Do we consider any of the wrenching ourselves to count? How much is too much Jeep? Where do we want to be at the end of the day???

[Metcalf]

I want a clean factory vehicle that fits between a short wheelbase jeep and a fullsize regular cab long box pickup....and I want it diesel.

I'm not saying that it can't be built by someone on there own...and I think that I would love to try, but as of late I have been getting a bit tired of building from scratch and would just love to have something 'near' perfect to discretely customize a little with a few select high quality bolt-on parts.

Is the J8 perfect? Nope. I think it should have had lockers front and rear and a full floating rear axle. A manual transmission option would make a lot of people happy...but I think you would have to pair it with a 4:1 transfer case perhaps.

I'm attracted to the J8 because it is the best fit for what I want WITHOUT having to import something or build it from scratch. I like the idea of having a military tested simple utilitarian base vehicle. As its has have said before...its not just a beefed up JK, its basically a whole new class of vehicle.

[Scott Brady]

The J8 is good, really good. Nobody is making a truck that can compete from the performance perspective. Reliability is an unknown so far, though ours has been perfect (about two months of hard use). Look for a detailed review soon.

Oh, and don't worry about the lack of a manual.

http://www.expeditionportal.com/images/stories/img_7042.jpg

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42418&stc=1&d=1275937765

[Metcalf]

WHAT!

I respectfully demand more details and pictures :)

How is the mileage?
Any issues thus far?
Who do I have to kill to get one....or can I have a job?

Please oh Please post up some more info.....

I've been waiting for an independent review for over a year!

[Scott Brady]

Sounds like you need to make a trip to Prescott :D

I leave for points unknown on the 17th of July, so you have a little time. :smiley_drive:

wait until you see the review we have in process. .

[Metcalf]

Moab is a good half way meeting point! I will keep my eye out for a review. If I wasn't up to my neck in body work on my Dodge I would come down. I may have a free weekend after the 4th of July though. I'll buy lunch if we can go for a test drive!

Keep up the good work guys!

I'm SOOOOOO jealous!

[Backwoods Rambler]

Will all the J8's be RHD, or is that pic flipped?

[Metcalf]

AEV J8's have seemed to be LHD, this one seems to be RHD ( snorkel is on the correct side of the hood so the pic shouldn't be flipped? )

[jingram]

Oh, and don't worry about the lack of a manual.

LOL, now just what is that supposed to mean? I know that the slushbox is supposed to be a great match and I know all of the benifits to one, both offroad and in a "militarized" zone, but I can't help but want a manual transmission. I like to actually feel engaged while driving.

Fill us in Scott... is AEV looking at adding a manual option or are you merely stating that the slushbox is such a great fit that there is no need for a manual?

[Scott Brady]

Oh, trust me, I am a 100% pure manual transmission loving kind of guy. Just not for any justifiable reason. I also love Land Rovers, for no justifiable reason- my Land Rover is a manual too, making absolutely no sense at all :ylsmoke:

The reality is that an automatic is a superior transmission choice anymore. They are much better in technical terrain, mud, sand, snow, highways, traffic, 3rd. world cities, towing, hill starting, climbing, left foot braking, well, you get the picture.

If you drive a manual because you love rowing your own gears, I totally get it, and am right there with you, but for an application like the J8, only the auto makes sense. It is a significant performance advantage.

The auto is perfect with the VM- perfect.

Of course, just my humble opinion :smiley_drive:

[Scott Brady]

Will all the J8's be RHD, or is that pic flipped?

Yep, RHD. Makes driving through to the bank teller an interesting affair. Oh, and passing gets a little interesting too. I thought it would be more of a pain than it is. I hate fast food, so never go through the drive-through. I hate Starbucks (try to buy local), so I just park and walk into the local coffee shop. RHD is pretty cool actually. It is also a great excuse to not talk about the J8.

Local: "Hey, that is a cool Jeep, is it a diesel?"

Me "It is a mail truck"

Local: "oh"

However, I just prefer to shut all the lights off at night and just drive by the night vision system (thermal).

[Metcalf]

I would have to agree with Scott on this one. While I LOVE manual transmissions for there simple raw mechanical interface with the vehicle...an automatic can do the job as good if not better than a manual. I do have to state an exception however, it has to be a SMART automatic transmission. Most of the time I really don't like how factory automatic transmissions handle themselves. I hope that the J8 has a smart automatic.....

With the long wheelbase on the J8 I may have to include a 2spd Atlas transfer case with the 3.0:1 low range to my wishlist. I think the ability to have front wheel drive only is a VERY handy feature these days, not only for the ability to do a front dig, but also the ability to disconnect power to the front/rear axle in certain circumstances that may cause excessive drivetrain/suspension bind.

[FourByLand]

Sounds like the perfect "adventure mail truck"! Can't wait to check it out.

Also RHD is a lot more convenient with a passenger. Hint, hint.

:smiley_drive:

[upcruiser]

However, I just prefer to shut all the lights off at night and just drive by the night vision system (thermal).

That IS the coolest feature on that

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk149/kristian_s/trip%20to%20Overland%20Expo/iphonepicsfromBajaandExpotrip310.jpg
thermal view of some Expo attendees.

[jingram]

The auto is perfect with the VM- perfect.

Thanks for the clarification, lol... and most definitely on the same page. There is no logical reason for my love of manual transmissions... I am well aware of all of the performance advantages of a modern automatic... I just prefer a manual, regardless of how anachronistic they are in a "modern" automobile.

Most of us will be lucky to see the next generation of Jeep/Xterra/FJ/Tacoma/Frontier come with any manual option.

Na Ja, such is life.

[winkosmosis]

The 545 is a really good transmission. The gearing is spaced right, and the torque convertor lockup is setup so you can engine brake down a long hill. Can't do that with the auto in my XJ because 1st is too low, 2nd is too high.

[Metcalf]

The 545 in the liberty had some teething issues. Something related to the shift programming and the torque converter. I've heard that all these issues where addressed in the J8. Maybe Scott can give us some more details.

Suncoast also has diesel torque converters, shift kits, and clutch upgrades for the 545 in the diesel application.

I don't see a deep pan, more fluid, and a BIG cooler hurting anything :)

[MC4X4]

any details / pics on how the roofrack is attached.
cheers Mark

[AEV Conversions]

FLIR nightvision: Its a (RHD) Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand... :D

Roof rack brackets will be released soon, just adding final touches to them.

dh

[jeepdreamer]

I'm glad my "uncle" lets me play with FLIR and it doesn't cost me a dime...:sombrero:

[Metcalf]

Update.

I hope Dave at AEV doesn't mind me posting this. Just got off the phone, If your reading this Dave thank you for your time on the phone.

The J8 program is moving forward as planned, the only hiccup is the parts supply from Chrysler since there restructuring.

Supply will not be a problem once all the ducks are in a row from the Chrysler parts end of things.

Spots are still available in line for the J8's. Over 30 people signed up so far.

There are three J8's available if you want to look at one. One in Michigan, One in Montana, and one in Arizona. :drool:

[alosix]

Awesome, thanks for checking up on that :)

At this rate, I might have the required $$ saved up and live in a state that'll let me tag the diesel one (fairly sure its still questionable about doing in in CA with the 2010 regs)

Jason

[Metcalf]

No problem.

I think the kit car thing is going to open up a lot of doors, but when the DMV people see a shinny new 'jeep' in the parking lot they are going to have questions for SURE! :)

Are we crazy to consider this? Its expensive, but boy does it fit a really nice niche as far a vehicles goes. Bigger and stronger than most SUV's including a typical SWB jeep, but small enough to be VERY useful on the trail. Basically like a smaller full-size US pickup.

For my personal choice the 3-door turbo diesel version fits my needs best. It has a large FLAT storage area in the back for stacking gear or sleeping if my eyes get heavy or the weather shuts me in. The turbo diesel should provide 20mpg in general use, if not slightly better. As demonstrated in the Nukizer concept the motor can be reprogrammed to produce something like 185hp and 450+ ftlbs!

While the axles are not ideal, they are a good deal heavier than the stock JK Rubicon axles in not only strength but with bigger brakes, 4.10 gears, a stronger front housing, and so on. At first glance I wasn't too happy about the c-clip D60 rear axle. I would have rather seen a full floating rear axle for sure! The factory axle, c-clips and all, is rated for 2000+ pounds of payload and a 7000+ pound tow rating....all under military duty cycles. If it did become a weak point Dynatrac does make a full floater version of the JK/J8 housing now that can reuse the HUGE J8 rear disc brakes and your esisting D60 gears and locker.

The factory J8 front axle has much thicker axles tubes ( .31 vs .25 wall ) than the stock JK front axle. This front axle also has much bigger 13.25" discs vs the 12" JK discs. I would have liked to see factory lockers offered with the J8. I think its a pretty big hole in the spec sheet. I can understand that the military probably doesn't want to deal with people mis-using the lockers. I guess we pay the price for that. The factory JK Electric locker should work in the J8 front housing, but that leaves a hole to fill for the rear locker. The factory J8 Dana 60 rear axles comes with a trac-lock rear differential. A decent limited slip, especially when you throw in some left foot braking through the automatic transmission to help it along. The only after-market locker for the rear C-clip 35 spline D60 locker I have seen thus far is the ARB air locker.

I'll write up some more thoughts later....

[x32792]

http://x32792.smugmug.com/Other/x32792/AEV-J8/896876783_XgMCz-L.jpg

American Expedition Vehicles (AEV) J8 MILSPEC Vehicles for Cilivian Purchase

http://www.aev-conversions.com/J8/

Designed for military use, the J8 was designed to pass one of the world’s toughest durability cycles, which is three times more severe than what civilian applications must endure. The axles are both beefed up to a heavy duty Dana 44 front and a Dana 60 rear axle equipped with Dodge Ram brakes. The frame is built for severe use and the rear suspension uses leaf springs to facilitate more than a 2,500 lb. payload capacity and a 3,500 lb. tow rating. The J8 MILSPEC will accept two powertrain options, either a VM 2.8-liter diesel engine rated at 174 hp and 339 lb.-ft.of torque or a 5.7-liter V-8 HEMI rated at 330 hp and 375 lb.-ft. of torque by way of the AEV HEMI JK Kit. Both engine choices will use a 5 speed automatic transmission. The vehicles also have a number of military-specific components, including tow loops that are rated for helicopter use, an air filter capable of running as long as five hours in zero visibility dust storms and remote-mounted batteries. Don’t look for satellite navigation or leather seats, options are limited to paint color (Desert Sand or Military Green), a choice of a three door or five door body styles and air conditioning.

Interested enthusiasts can contact American Expedition Vehicles to learn more or to place an order, www.aev-conversions.com / 248-926-0256. Owners should expect to invest approximately $50,000 for a complete running vehicle, chassis plus powertrain.

Just finished a 6,000 mile overland, 3,500 miles on back roads so I'm very much interested in how this beast performs both ON and OFF the road, i.e., milage with diesel and realistic highway cruising speed. I've contacted the AEV team and will share any info they send me.

John

[JeepinJon]

I want one, but I can't come up with the funds yet. However my wife said that in 2012 we can get another Jeep and get rid of hers. I wonder if Chrysler friends and family discounts can be used. :coffeedrink:

[x32792]

John,

Thank you for your interest in our company and products. AEV offers a wide range of limited edition vehicles with various power plant configurations for the adventurous outdoor lifestyle. The retail U.S J8 program has been put on hold due to the management change over from Chrysler and their ability to provide the chassis. We currently can not offer a time line as to when the program will pick back up, however we can offer a JK or Brute in its replacement.

If you have any questions or would like more information, please feel free to contact me directly.

Jeff Clark
Brand Manager
American Expedition Vehicles
1880 W. West Maple Rd.
Walled Lake, MI 48390
(248) 926-0256 x217 - office
(248) 926-0337 - fax
(513)509-2720 - cell
jclark@aev-conversions.com
www.aev-conversions.com

[Metcalf]

The program is still 'going', they are just waiting on Chrysler to get there ducks in a row with the parts supply. Chrysler basically declared bankruptcy so they have a lot of bridges to mend with suppliers I have a feeling.

[Metcalf]

The diesel is awesome. We averaged 22.5 mpg over the entire trip. Best tank was from Walla Walla to Missoula, where we did about 55-60 and got 27.4 mpg. Worst was from Sacramento to Bridgeport via Bodie and into NV on dirt, where we got 19.5.

That was a quote from Dave after doing a 2000 mile trip with Automotive magazine in the green 4-door J8.

[AEV Conversions]

Correct, the program is still going.

Sorry, there is some confusion to Jeffs email, we are on hold with Chrysler until they get their supplier base back up and running with the J8s which is hopefully going to happen soon. We are still accepting orders, however we can't provide a timeline until one is provided to us. We have the required orders to do the initial run but you can still get in on it if you're not in a rush.

dh

[x32792]

Correct, the program is still going.

Sorry, there is some confusion to Jeffs email, we are on hold with Chrysler until they get their supplier base back up and running with the J8s which is hopefully going to happen soon. We are still accepting orders, however we can't provide a timeline until one is provided to us. We have the required orders to do the initial run but you can still get in on it if you're not in a rush.

dh

Your post above offers further details, but I don't think there was any confusion in Jeff's email. I appreciated his prompt and informative response to my inquiry.

John

[MC4X4]

FLIR nightvision: Its a (RHD) Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand... :D

Roof rack brackets will be released soon, just adding final touches to them.

dh

what racks are these brackets made for. ie ARB ect
cheers mc

[Metcalf]

As per AEV. The J8 will be getting the 2011 interior...

[jingram]

I was curious about that and going to ask Dave. Thanks for the update. Has anyone ever discussed financing and how/if that is on the table at all?

[Metcalf]

I think financing on the J8 could be difficult. You are basically buying a kit car.

I honestly don't know why Jeep will not pull their you know what out of their you know what and make these available to the public off the showroom floor. I know it would be difficult, but it has to be possible. You would think that if Jeep produced the J8 in large scale it would make the vehicle more affordable for the military also....or make Jeep more money on the military contracts.

AEV has mentioned that the J8 is the most expensive to produce...even more so than the Viper. All the extra stampings in the body and frame add a lot of cost I guess.

I am very much looking forward to this project getting rolling again on AEV's end. I am the kinda buyer that need to see and touch one before buying. I hope they have a tan 3-door diesel at EJS this year ( hint! )

[haven]

I thought I'd remind people of this review of the J8, as built in Israel and supplied to their armed forces. Lots of photos of the J8 in action http://www.jeepolog.com/UserFiles/english_pages/jeep%20j8%20road%20test.htm

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z241/expeditioncampers/israeli-j8.jpg


(http://www.jeepolog.com/UserFiles/english_pages/jeep%20j8%20road%20test.htm)

[TACODOC]

I am very much looking forward to this project getting rolling again on AEV's end. I am the kinda buyer that need to see and touch one before buying. I hope they have a tan 3-door diesel at EJS this year ( hint! )

Scott let me drive it at Hollister. It's all that and then some, amazing torque and milspec basic. The ultimate modern overland truck IMO.

[Metcalf]

Double hint!

I don't think the ball in in AEV's court so much as Chrysler. Last I heard AEV is ready to go with about 50 orders.

[grecy]

The diesel is awesome. We averaged 22.5 mpg over the entire trip. Best tank was from Walla Walla to Missoula, where we did about 55-60 and got 27.4 mpg. Worst was from Sacramento to Bridgeport via Bodie and into NV on dirt, where we got 19.5.

That was a quote from Dave after doing a 2000 mile trip with Automotive magazine in the green 4-door J8.

I have to say, this is probably the most disappointing fact about the J8 as an overland platform for me. I know, I know, we don't buy Jeeps for their gas mileage, but damn, in the year 2011 we still can't get much over 20mpg, even with a sophisticated euro built turbo diesel? damn.

I'm traveling Argentina right now with a couple of Germans driving a VW cargo van, turbo diesel, aerodynamics of a brick, selective 4x4, weighs over 3 tons with all the camping gear inside, and day-in, day-out, it runs 30mpg.
Why, o why, does a J8 still run around 20mpg?

25-30 would be really nice for my next 40,000+ mile journey.

-Dan

[Metcalf]

Just keep the speed down, mileage will go up.

[purdueXJ]

I have to say, this is probably the most disappointing fact about the J8 as an overland platform for me. I know, I know, we don't buy Jeeps for their gas mileage, but damn, in the year 2011 we still can't get much over 20mpg, even with a sophisticated euro built turbo diesel? damn.

I'm traveling Argentina right now with a couple of Germans driving a VW cargo van, turbo diesel, aerodynamics of a brick, selective 4x4, weighs over 3 tons with all the camping gear inside, and day-in, day-out, it runs 30mpg.
Why, o why, does a J8 still run around 20mpg?

25-30 would be really nice for my next 40,000+ mile journey.

-Dan

I have heard many people claim that their diesel kj's get close to 30 mpg once they are broke in, I would think that the j8 would be in the same boat.

[haven]

One reason the J8 will have lower mpg than the diesel Liberty: Weight.
Liberty diesel curb weight is ~4300 lbs (Jeep.com)
J8 curb weight is ~ 5700 lbs (Allpar.com)

[Metcalf]

If you look at the article in Autoweek and my quote, they got a best of 27.5 mpg with the speed in the 55-60 range. That isn't bad at all in my opinion. And I don't think the AEV J8 was THAT broken in at that point....

My Dodge is 7000lbs and gets 20mpg with 39s. The J8 will do better I think under real world driving....especially slow calm expedition driving.

[JDaPP]

I would think the J8 also is affected by how the electronics are programmed. I know I had the ECU reprogrammed on the Jeep Liberty CRD and that added another 2mpg on it. I would imagine that the J8 probably could be tuned to get better mileage results.

[Metcalf]

Today was a J8 day.....sigh.

[Scott Brady]

I have heard many people claim that their diesel kj's get close to 30 mpg once they are broke in, I would think that the j8 would be in the same boat.

We are getting 22-25 at moderate speeds on the highway. In mixed driving, we are getting 18-20 mpg. Over 75-80 on the highway and it gets about 18.

[Metcalf]

Is that with the camper and extra weight? If so...thats not bad at all. The speed definitely costs you mileage, especially with a diesel. Most expedition driving is done at 45mph or less....once you get off the main tracks.

[Scott Brady]

Interestingly, the camper changes nothing on the mileage. I am sure fully loaded it would, but just the top changed nothing.

Originally, this truck had a roof rack, which cost about 1.5 mpg.

[Metcalf]

Good to know. Sounds like the mileage is more aerodynamically driven than weight driven. Mileage goes down as speed goes up, rack-loss gained milege, etc.

[Scott Brady]

Good to know. Sounds like the mileage is more aerodynamically driven than weight driven. Mileage goes down as speed goes up, rack-loss gained milege, etc.

Agreed. Huge reduction comes with high-speed. If you can cruise at 60-65, the mileage is awesome.

[alosix]

Today was a J8 day.....sigh.

?

[Metcalf]

I was driving my dodge....though I love it.....thinking about having a J8. Its basically about the same thing, but 3/4 scale. It fits the almost perfect requirements that I want ( the J8 ), a full size truck like my Dodge is just a bit to wide and long. The J8 could still do most things my Dodge does ( haul/tow ), but allow me to get farther off the road and into tighter places.

[XXXpedition]

Originally Posted by Metcalf
Good to know. Sounds like the mileage is more aerodynamically driven than weight driven. Mileage goes down as speed goes up, rack-loss gained milege, etc.
Originally Posted by expeditionwest
Agreed. Huge reduction comes with high-speed. If you can cruise at 60-65, the mileage is awesome.

having a pumped up diesel JK i have to agree to some point. but city driving is even worse than 70mph. i always take it easy on the pedal at cross lights - keeping up with LA traffic (for exsample) will kill your milage too.

my truck has about 45k on the clock (broken in ;-)) and gets between 20-22mpg in any situation (that said: it is lifted 4" has 35"s with 4.11 gearing and the roofrack empty) without the roofrack i'm closer to 22mpg...
sven

[grecy]

having a pumped up diesel JK i have to agree to some point. but city driving is even worse than 70mph. i always take it easy on the pedal on cross lights - keeping up with LA traffic (for exsample) will kill your milage too.

my truck has about 45k on the clock (broken in ;-)) and gets between 20-22mpg in any situation (that said: it is lifted 4" has 35"s with 4.11 gearing and the roofrack empty) without the roofrack i'm closer to 22mpg...
sven

Are those metric gallons (4.5L) or imperial gallons (3.8L) ?

Sounds like the roof rack is a real drag...

Thanks,
-Dan

[XXXpedition]

yes, the rack's a drag.
i used to live in the USA so i always use their mpg (imperial gallons)
in other words between 10-12 L/100km

[reece146]

Are those metric gallons (4.5L) or imperial gallons (3.8L) ?


US Gallons = ~3.8 liters

Imperial Gallons = ~4.5 = "Metric/1964 Canadian/1985 UK" Gallons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon

http://www.tdiclub.com/misc/conversions.html

[grecy]

yes, the rack's a drag.
i used to live in the USA so i always use their mpg (imperial gallons)
in other words between 10-12 L/100km

Thanks again for the info.

Hmmm, with figures like that from the rack, I really might have to think of some alternative way, but how to fit everything inside?
And no Roof Tent is a big minus.

When you had your CRD tuned, I know you bumped the torque/power up quite a lot, I'm wondering if there was anything different you could have done specifically for "economy"? I imagine having more torque improves the economy across the board, so long as you drive it conservatively.
Leaning it out from stock might not be so great for long-long-term reliability.
(is that an issue on diesels? I don't know)

-Dan

[Metcalf]

Leaning out a diesel isn't really an issue, at least at semi-sane power levels. Its just a big air pump. If you don't add enough fuel it just doesn't make power. The diesel actually uses a combination of its high compression ratio and a total lack of fuel ( extra lean ) to slow itself down since it doesn't have a throttle butterfly.

[bugnout]

I have a Liberty CRD with the 2.8 VM engine. At one point I got 30 mpg. This was driving cross country from Denver to Chicago at 55-65. vehicle was completely stock, but loaded with camping gear. I regularly got 25-27 mpg on the highway.

Today I have 32" tires, 4.10 gears a winch and heavy bumpers and armor. I get around 22-24 on the highway at 65mph, 20-22 when pulling a trailer. Around town about 20 mpg. Seems No matter how hard I drive it, it gets at least 20 mpg.

I've had my ECU reprogrammed by Green Diesel Engineering for economy, they offer a hot tune and custom tune service as well.

Sure wish Jeep would make the J8 available in the U.S. and at a reasonable price. I paid 24K for the Liberty out the door in 2005, I'd pay 30, maybe 35 for a J8, but I can't imagine that it would be offered for much less than 40k if they ever do market it. There are other alternatives in that price range.

[Metcalf]

While i think the J8 would be a GREAT product to bring to the US market, I would settle for the updated 2.8 CRD and automatic that is going to almost EVERY OTHER market but ours!

WoooSaaaaa WooooSaaaaa

For me, the 3-door J8 fits the perfect niche between a full size domestic pickup and your typical SWB jeep. Throw the diesel power and economy in the mix and you have almost the perfect product. Its big enough and strong enough to haul just about anything I need, but small enough to get out off road without too much 'body' getting in the way.

[alosix]

While i think the J8 would be a GREAT product to bring to the US market, I would settle for the updated 2.8 CRD and automatic that is going to almost EVERY OTHER market but ours!

Not to mention is built here and sits in a giant Jeep parking lot on 895 on the north side of the Harbor Tunnel in balmer.

Soo sad...

Jason

[Metcalf]

Covert jeep reappropriation mission anyone :)

[alosix]

Covert jeep reappropriation mission anyone :)

Probably happens more often there than one would think. That is not a friendly part of that town at all :)..

The days I drove by there thinking.. I'll just jump the fence and take one..

[Metcalf]

Bueller.......Bueller........Bueller......

I could go on a rant, but I am trying to resist.

[alosix]

Bueller.......Bueller........Bueller......

I could go on a rant, but I am trying to resist.

I'm having an excellent day today (not) rant away :)

[Frank]

Anyone know where I can get the wheels, or ones near like it?

[Frank]

from the "army JK" thread



I want the wheels, as dumb as it may be. Where can I get them?

Anyways, I see a lot of issues with that truck. From my experience in the Marine Corps, deploying both to "back yard ops" and overseas, that truck would never stand up to what I did.

It claims it can hold up to 8 passengers. 8 Passengers, without gear, maybe. In that sense, the military would pack more people into 1 vehicle, maybe bus them, or 7 ton (oshgosh vehicle) rather than a Jeep.

These are a typical humvee that is loaded and ready for use in the field.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2935380833_a53ac43bbf_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve-orcutt/2935380833/)
Day1-77 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve-orcutt/2935380833/) by Steve O: in NC (http://www.flickr.com/people/steve-orcutt/), on Flickr

Lockable containers in the bed, the interior is to have minimal equipment due to safety concerns/movement while mobile, tons of comm gear or fire power, and personnel, plus gear. This was for an exercise where we were out for about 40 days. No way could you put that into a Jeep.

This truck was used when I took 3 other Marines to an exercise. Still half loaded, it still has more gear in it that you could put into a Jeep.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/3012120177_1657c52147.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/junkyardracer/3012120177/)

The jeep that IS presented in the link wouldn't be bad for small day to day operations. Todays military, no way.

It would be awesome to see a 50cal strapped to the top of a Jeep though. :victory:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/3012177223_9db5de33df.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/junkyardracer/3012177223/)

All of that said, 1 stripped down humvee is about $100g's. They are amazing and never let me down. I have put them through pure hell, lived in them, cursed at them, and did some tests with them. They are able to be adapted to many configurations.

I do wish someone could create something as versatile and effective for less money, I just don't think Jeep will be the one to do it.

[quadler]

Good to know. Sounds like the mileage is more aerodynamically driven than weight driven. Mileage goes down as speed goes up, rack-loss gained milege, etc.

Right. Weight/rolling resistance is a linear proportion to velocity, air resistance ist growing per square with regard to velocity...

Andreas

[LUISJG]

Only thing I dont understand,, why is the milspec j8 still have those plastic fender flares.
I just dont get it.


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[Scott Brady]

Only thing I dont understand,, why is the milspec j8 still have those plastic fender flares.
I just dont get it.


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Is there a reason you need them to be metal?

[LUISJG]

Is there a reason you need them to be metal?

only thing , I seen them get riped of on rough terrain trails.
they are not very sturdy for a mil spec.
metal and smaller would be better, i think

http://www.off-road.com/aimages/articlestandard/jeep/512009/649032/3.jpg

[tacomadave]

Found these sites:

http://www.jgms.com/

http://jeep-j8.com/


Didn't see these links anywhere in the thread so I figured i'd add them.

I'm really liking the Personnel/Cargo carrier version

[haven]

Does anyone know how much Chrysler charges for a J8 in Europe or the Middle East, where they do sell to non-government agencies?

I'm curious to know how the price of a J8 compares to a Land Cruiser 79 or a G-Wagen two door van (kastenwagen) like this one:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z241/expeditioncampers/Kastenwagen.jpg

[XXXpedition]

Only thing I dont understand,, why is the milspec j8 still have those plastic fender flares.
I just dont get it.
i love my rubber ones. hit a rock - they give and return to their original place.
hit a rock with metal ones and your factory sheetmetal goes in all kinds of directions... they might hold your weight, but not the one of the rig.

[Metcalf]

I just hope that Chrysler pulls it head out of its you know what and comes through to AEV allowing this program to move forward. Sadly, it doesn't look that great.....

[grecy]

Does anyone know how much Chrysler charges for a J8 in Europe or the Middle East, where they do sell to non-government agencies? ...[/IMG]

Do you have a link or source for what countries you can actually buy a J8 in?
(if diesel JK's are not in North America by the time I want one, I'll just go to Europe to get one. If the J8 is an option, I'd like to look at it for sure)

Thanks,
-Dan

[Metcalf]

Supposedly the J8 is only available to the .gov right now....

[Metcalf]

I got fed up and contacted AAV ( Arab American Vehicles ) directly. Maybe they will export from Egypt to the USA....

If I hear anything back I will update with details.

I found a post on the JP magazine blog from 2009 that mentioned that they could ship to the USA.

After seeing the J8 and Nukizer in Moab I have to at least try....

[alosix]

I got fed up and contacted AAV ( Arab American Vehicles ) directly. Maybe they will export from Egypt to the USA....

If I hear anything back I will update with details.

I found a post on the JP magazine blog from 2009 that mentioned that they could ship to the USA.

After seeing the J8 and Nukizer in Moab I have to at least try....

You seem to have the same reaction to their project vehicles that I get lately. Kind of 'If you're not going to really build one of them, then quit making them" :)

Its one thing when a car company does a concept car that sits and does the show circuit (probably not even fully drivable). Its another when those concepts are living and breathing (and wheeling) at events around the country.

[Metcalf]

Yup, exactly....

I pull into Moab on last Thursday evening and the freaking Nukizer is cruising next to me down main street! You can hear the turbo, you can hear the diesel, that is just TORTURE!

PLEASE.....give me a 3-door J8 diesel!!!!!

[alosix]

Yup, exactly....

I pull into Moab on last Thursday evening and the freaking Nukizer is cruising next to me down main street! You can hear the turbo, you can hear the diesel, that is just TORTURE!

PLEASE.....give me a 3-door J8 diesel!!!!!

I still want a Rescue.. Though at least its styling queues ended up in the 4 door wrangler.. Never did get to hear it run though. It was always sitting somewhere when I was trail guiding camp jeep.

Jason

[Scott Brady]

Shorts weather. . .

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/246626_10150311328663275_640113274_9782479_5820777 _n.jpg

[Frank]

I for some reason have a hunch that am general may be producing these. Living just a short 10min drive from the facility, the building has been renamed "military vehicle assembly plant" from "HMMWV assembly plant". I know that the HMMWV is coming to an end with the new concept vehicle amg and general dynamics are about to produce but this jeep has be be produced in the us! Also, my brother in law, a former assembly line worker, claims (rumors) the hundreds of people who were laid off some time ago are about to be recalled for a new vehicle. Per the amg website, the new amg/gd vehicle is still deep into the testing phase, still to heavy for a ship and still too tall. That said, what is this new vehicle they are going to produce and why would they recall line workers?

Jeep has a market for these j8's. If the sale of the rubicon isn't proof, nothing is.