The Greatest Pajero Video Ever Made!

[Robinsvoyage]

OK.. I know.. the title may be an opinion.. it may be MY opinion, but hey, I'm proud of my work, or rather I had so much fun making the video, I thought you'd enjoy seeing it. It's about me, my Mk1 Raider (Pajero or Montero), and some mud in Nebraska.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCP6pGAq_EU

[T.Low]

I've don't know that I've ever seen a better one.

[washington taco]

LOVE THE VIDEO!!!!! I grew up in Washinton county (Blair NE) and learned to drive on that greasy stuff in my 77 chevy half ton. Brought back a lot of fun memories of beating the crap out of my and my friends vehicles! Its amazing how the back roads turn from hard pack to slop in two hours of rain. I cant finish this with out stating GO BIG RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:victory:

[mountainpete]

Oscar winner in the category of best Nebraska slime roading video this season.

[sami]

Tread Lightly?

[Rexsname]

It sure looks like a dirt road to me....do we need to tread lightly on roads as well?

REX

[Robinsvoyage]

Tread Lightly?

Ah it's a farm road.. they grade it when it dries out. :)

[Robinsvoyage]

LOVE THE VIDEO!!!!! I grew up in Washinton county (Blair NE) and learned to drive on that greasy stuff in my 77 chevy half ton. Brought back a lot of fun memories of beating the crap out of my and my friends vehicles! Its amazing how the back roads turn from hard pack to slop in two hours of rain. I cant finish this with out stating GO BIG RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:victory:

Yeah.. I'm a transplant, but I know when it's PC to wear Red and on what days. LOL.. They love their college football..

My other car is a 92 Ford Bronco XLT... but the MK1 seems to be a much better four-wheel drive. You'll note all four of her wheels spin when in gear. Kind of cool.

Robin

[sami]

It sure looks like a dirt road to me....do we need to tread lightly on roads as well?

REX

Since when was Tread Lightly not meant for roads? Isn't a trail simply a less travelled road? Either way, driving through mud can cause rutting in the road.. Which is not good.

Right from Tread Lightly:

-When possible, avoid mud. Save wet, muddy trails for another day when they are dry. If you do come upon mud on the trail, don’t widen the trail by going around it. Drive through it by going easy on the gas to avoid wheel spin, which can cause rutting.


I'm certainly not trying to pick an arguement. More just trying to provide tips on proper travel habits. I can understand filming the Mitsubishi drive the road once, maybe twice if you had to come back the way you came.. But it sure seemed like there was alot of unnecessary turning around, driving off the road, and frolicking through the mud.

[Justice R]

I find it Ironic that your calling this guy out for not treading lightly when your avatar displays a picture of what I assume is your rig executing water crossing at excessive speed....Just saying.:snorkel:

[sami]

I find it Ironic that your calling this guy out for not treading lightly when your avatar displays a picture of what I assume is your rig executing water crossing at excessive speed....Just saying.:snorkel:

Excessive speed.. right..

Here's my opinion of what excessive speed through a water crossing/puddle looks like:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/Logisense/XO2Y8156.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_0vhWQaOxtK8/SWDj2hOIBXI/AAAAAAAABiU/18qtSXN7S9U/s512/IMG_0768.jpg

Here is my water crossing last July 4th:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/2691168903_f54c6bd60e_b.jpg

[Robinsvoyage]

If I really believed I was doing more damage than one of these....

http://david.farmnet.com.au/files/2008/07/jdfarm1.jpg

then I would say I was horribly wrong... but know that I don't go running down animals or destroying plants. All that grass you see around cornfields is better referred to as weeds.

[Robinsvoyage]

Excessive speed.. right..

Here's my opinion of what excessive speed through a water crossing/puddle looks like:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/Logisense/XO2Y8156.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_0vhWQaOxtK8/SWDj2hOIBXI/AAAAAAAABiU/18qtSXN7S9U/s512/IMG_0768.jpg

Here is my water crossing last July 4th:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/2691168903_f54c6bd60e_b.jpg

Yeah you have a point.

[T.Low]

Since when was Tread Lightly not meant for roads? Isn't a trail simply a less travelled road? Either way, driving through mud can cause rutting in the road.. Which is not good.

Right from Tread Lightly:


I'm certainly not trying to pick an arguement. More just trying to provide tips on proper travel habits. I can understand filming the Mitsubishi drive the road once, maybe twice if you had to come back the way you came.. But it sure seemed like there was alot of unnecessary turning around, driving off the road, and frolicking through the mud.




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[BIGdaddy]

Since when was Tread Lightly not meant for roads? Isn't a trail simply a less travelled road? Either way, driving through mud can cause rutting in the road.. Which is not good.

Right from Tread Lightly:


I'm certainly not trying to pick an arguement. More just trying to provide tips on proper travel habits. I can understand filming the Mitsubishi drive the road once, maybe twice if you had to come back the way you came.. But it sure seemed like there was alot of unnecessary turning around, driving off the road, and frolicking through the mud.

i agree here. sorry guys. We portal'rs likely can see that this is not a sensitive "natural", "wilderness" area.

But that doesn't really matter does it?

Displaying excessive un-needed forays OFF-TRAIL is irresponsible. This is a well-made video that was very entertaining, and if I were a kid that was being introduced to offroading, I would likely understand that driving off-trail is "ok" without knowing the difference.

I honestly think you should either either edit the forays off-trail or remove your video from the portal.

-Brian

p.s. And understand, I find no problem with mud-driving or water-crossings like sami's photo, or in the video, before the u-turns and big sweeps through the grass. When done responsibly, there really are no ill-effects that i find objectionable.

[BKCowGod]

Okay, if he doesn't do it in a place where he is obviously not causing permanent harm, where should he do it?

I live near Hollister Hills SVRA. This is a place that is designated for playing in the mud and dirt. Should I take down the following pictures because someone could possibly find them and therefore assume that they can do what my friend is doing anywhere? Or should we instead train people to understand that they should USE the grey stuff between their ears to determine when it is and isn't okay to do stuff like this?

Put more bluntly, I refuse to curtail my (reasonable and responsible) fun because some idiot might get the wrong idea from photos of my actions. For the record, all three of the below pictures show absolutely no illegal, immoral, environmentally unfriendly, or otherwise heinous acts. Though I guess someone could complain about my wanton burning of fossil fuels.
http://www.kuhgott.com/gallery/d/16334-2/DSCF2674.JPG
http://www.kuhgott.com/gallery/d/15079-1/n686025645_3946482_2086.jpg
http://www.kuhgott.com/temp/speedo.jpg
EDIT: Man I miss this car... The odo stopped at 250k sometime in 1995 and was daily driven for at least another 100k on the same engine with no major repairs up to and well beyond the point this photo was taken. Ah, memories...

[BKCowGod]

Oh - and Robinsvoyage - welcome to ExPo! I promise not every thread is quite so politically charged :wings:

[BIGdaddy]

Oh - and Robinsvoyage - welcome to ExPo! I promise not every thread is quite so politically charged :wings:

lol...true dat. Sorry for no welcome first, RV.

BKCow, like I said in my post, I'd have no issue with your photo's because

a. you're on a marked trail
b. you're in an area setup for such activities
c. even in b wasn't satisfied, you're likely maintaining the correct
speed to clear the obstacle...(it just happens to be fun as heck!)

egghead response, I know, I just want to be clear about what I'm saying. I HATE off trail use, because it leaves lasting evidence that the greenies can use to close our trails. I have to hardline this, cuz I've lost too many of my favorite trails here in San Diego County due to blatent misuse documented with photo's and video.

word. -B

[RogerH]

Loved the video! I got a big grin out of it. Reminds me of my younger years on the ranch in E. Texas trying to get into town after a big rain, except I was in my Mom's Mercedes Benz 240 Diesel, red clay slicker than armadillo s**t on lanolium! Afterwards when the road had dried I would hop on the John Deere and run a drag on the road to level things out.

Welcome to the forum!

[BKCowGod]

lol...true dat. Sorry for no welcome first, RV.

BKCow, like I said in my post, I'd have no issue with your photo's because

a. you're on a marked trail
b. you're in an area setup for such activities
c. even in b wasn't satisfied, you're likely maintaining the correct
speed to clear the obstacle...(it just happens to be fun as heck!)

egghead response, I know, I just want to be clear about what I'm saying. I HATE off trail use, because it leaves lasting evidence that the greenies can use to close our trails. I have to hardline this, cuz I've lost too many of my favorite trails here in San Diego County due to blatent misuse documented with photo's and video.

word. -B


I totally agree with your sentiment, Big D. It's just that I looked through some of my photos and realize that ANYTHING can be taken badly out of context. If you didn't know I was on a track, photo 3 especially could reflect very badly on my driving habits and decision making skills... At some point we have to stop taking responsibility for the actions of others.

[BIGdaddy]

I totally agree with your sentiment, Big D. It's just that I looked through some of my photos and realize that ANYTHING can be taken badly out of context. If you didn't know I was on a track, photo 3 especially could reflect very badly on my driving habits and decision making skills... At some point we have to stop taking responsibility for the actions of others.

agreed.

Like I said in my original post, Its obvious to us, that RV is on a farm road between two fields. Thats the type of road, I would wheel on, too, back in the day in Ventura/Camarillo.

But, its those "actions of others" that have gotten trails around here closed. It wasn't me who did anything, but its me who suffers the consequences.

Just wait till someone gets that video stuck in their craw, finds some freakin' "endangered-midwestern-flightless-songbird" who only nests in
that area. Boom, locked gates, where only farmers and county workers get keys. It happens here all the time. My favorite in-town access road was just graded and gated due to vandelism and mis-use two weeks ago. :Wow1:

[T.Low]

agreed.

Like I said in my original post, Its obvious to us, that RV is on a farm road between two fields. Thats the type of road, I would wheel on, too, back in the day in Ventura/Camarillo.

But, its those "actions of others" that have gotten trails around here closed. It wasn't me who did anything, but its me who suffers the consequences.

Just wait till someone gets that video stuck in their craw, finds some freakin' "endangered-midwestern-flightless-songbird" who only nests in
that area. Boom, locked gates, where only farmers and county workers get keys. It happens here all the time. My favorite in-town access road was just graded and gated due to vandelism and mis-use two weeks ago. :Wow1:




So now you are are going to give in to the envirowacks whining and become Tread Lightly Nazi for a little 225/75 15 AT playing in the grease on a farm road that hay bailers will drive down and never notice the Mistsu was even there. You have let them neuter you of your common sense, man!

Its a frikin farmers field in Nebraska! Thats what people do when it rains! My mom would think I was sick if I wasn't playing in the mud when it rained. I know, you think it would be better for the environment if he were inside playing fantasy baseball or Air Guitar Hero or surfing the PETA website. But most of here have common sense enough to know the difference between harming a fragile ecosystem and when we're playing in the farmers greasey weeds.

The propaganda has been even more effective than I thought. Sheesh. (rolls eyes, shakes head slowly).

[segiterrus]

They hardly ever close any roads in Nebraska, from what I see after living a year here, any body with Mud Tires goes out after rain/snow and tears up the road. In fact I would say farmers kids are the first, I think they have better things to do out here in Nebraska than close a road because a handful of high School teens got out and went mudding on a road.

Haha My First post!

[I Leak Oil]

Well...just because other people do it doesn't make it right..or wrong for that matter.
Now, the fields next to the road are pilaged and raped multiple times by large farm equipment every year. Are you really worried about a little muddy track that was made to be driven on?????

[BIGdaddy]

Well...just because other people do it doesn't make it right..or wrong for that matter.
Now, the fields next to the road are pilaged and raped multiple times by large farm equipment every year. Are you really worried about a little muddy track that was made to be driven on?????

you call farming pilaging and raping? lol

I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Re-read my posts if you have questions, brother...

-BD

[Ireland]

If we were all to thread lightly as much as possible then shouldn't we all stay on the pavement:Wow1:

[I Leak Oil]

you call farming pilaging and raping? lol

I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Re-read my posts if you have questions, brother...

-BD

I'm overexagertaing for sure, but my point stands. Large farm equipment mow down everything in that field, then dig it up to plant it again. How can anyone be worried about a little raider leaving some tracks off the edge of the muddy road next to it?
No questions from here...brother...

[sami]

I'm overexagertaing for sure, but my point stands. Large farm equipment mow down everything in that field, then dig it up to plant it again. How can anyone be worried about a little raider leaving some tracks off the edge of the muddy road next to it?
No questions from here...brother...

Apples to oranges.. I see the point that you are trying to make, but you're bringing up two completely different scenarios.

Farming vs. a small 4x4 driving off the road.. Hmm, which creates jobs, food, and revenue? The 4x4 will lose..

Here in Utah we have extreme enviro groups who want everything closed.. Everything. Atv's, bikes, trucks, sleds, RANCHING (grasing land/leases), you name it.. So yes, your 4x4 off the road can (and will if in Utah in most cases) affect a much, MUCH larger group of land users than just that 5% that ruin it for the rest..

.. Just sayin.

[sami]

So now you are are going to give in to the envirowacks whining and become Tread Lightly Nazi for a little 225/75 15 AT playing in the grease on a farm road that hay bailers will drive down and never notice the Mistsu was even there. You have let them neuter you of your common sense, man!

Its a frikin farmers field in Nebraska! Thats what people do when it rains! My mom would think I was sick if I wasn't playing in the mud when it rained. I know, you think it would be better for the environment if he were inside playing fantasy baseball or Air Guitar Hero or surfing the PETA website. But most of here have common sense enough to know the difference between harming a fragile ecosystem and when we're playing in the farmers greasey weeds.

The propaganda has been even more effective than I thought. Sheesh. (rolls eyes, shakes head slowly).

One tire off the trail, is one tire closer to widening the road/trail.. It's a matter of principle. Might not damage an ecosystem, but for every rig that runs a tire (or two since one usually follows the other ;) ) that road is slowly widening..

Once again, Utah has some extremely delicate situations where open roads/trails run along unfenced WSA (Wilderness Study Areas). You better believe that the BLM and enviro group keep very close watch on the extra tire marks here and there. Even bypasses on some of Utah's most recognizable trail (Pritchett Canyon) run right alongside WSA. One of the bypasses actually skirt right on this WSA land.. The BLM watches this like hawks, but is forgiving to a degree due to the amount of support from the fullsized 4x4 users. The local 4x4 groups baby, and patrol that trail because of how close it could be to being closed.

Think about it... A closed trail/road is far easier, and cost effective than an open one. Don't give land managers reasons to close roads... EVEN if it was just 'one' tire off the road.

I'll stop now :)

[Rexsname]

Yes, please do

[T.Low]

One tire off the trail, is one tire closer to widening the road/trail.. It's a matter of principle. Might not damage an ecosystem, but for every rig that runs a tire (or two since one usually follows the other ;) ) that road is slowly widening..

Once again, Utah has some extremely delicate situations where open roads/trails run along unfenced WSA (Wilderness Study Areas). You better believe that the BLM and enviro group keep very close watch on the extra tire marks here and there. Even bypasses on some of Utah's most recognizable trail (Pritchett Canyon) run right alongside WSA. One of the bypasses actually skirt right on this WSA land.. The BLM watches this like hawks, but is forgiving to a degree due to the amount of support from the fullsized 4x4 users. The local 4x4 groups baby, and patrol that trail because of how close it could be to being closed.

Think about it... A closed trail/road is far easier, and cost effective than an open one. Don't give land managers reasons to close roads... EVEN if it was just 'one' tire off the road.

I'll stop now :)


Weed growth beats ATs everytime. No worries.

[sami]

Either way... I've always wanted a 2 door Montero.. Ever since I started wheeling a Samurai, I thought the 2 door Montero would be a sweet sized rig..

[I Leak Oil]

I hear you on the land closure side but I think that is comparing apples to oranges also. Do we practice Treadlightly to protect the land and beloved trails or is it to appease and tip-toe around the groups that want to close them at all costs?
If it's to tip-toe then we've already lost and may as well just part our vehicle out so we can afford electric cars. If it's to protect the land then you can't complain about a little Raider driving on the same land the farm equipment tear up every year.
I don't agree with putting that stuff on line but there is certainly far worse out there already.
...just sayn'....too..

[Robinsvoyage]

I should note there is no recreational opportunities in Nebraska like there were when I lived in Arizona and even Pennsylvania and Tennessee.. it's all farmland it seems.

If anything good came out of me posting my video here, it was that it was a very lively discussion. I'm a realist myself... was a geology major for a while before I got my Bachelors in history. I don't go out of my way to run over animals or plants, but it does happen.... we strive for perfection but God put us on this world corrupted.... I do my best.