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OverlandZJ
08-29-2009, 03:35 PM
Are there Federal regulations denoting Fuel can color minimum requirements?

I have some OD cans that i'd like to be legal with. Some googling has me unsure if the whole can or just the cap needs to be red in color to determine gasoline stored inside.

Am i legal with red straps on Scepters and red caps on Wedco's?

Curmudgeon
08-29-2009, 07:22 PM
All of my NATO cans are entirely OD, and I have never had any trouble getting them filled. And here in good ol' Oregon we aren't allowed to pump our own gas, so they are always filled by a station attendant. No one has ever questioned it or even mentioned it. Whether it's federal law or just Oregon law I'm not sure, but I do know it's illegal to dispense fuel into a glass container.

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CJCA
08-30-2009, 04:55 AM
The only mention I've seen of fuel can coloring and the DOT is on the Jerry Can Paper @ http://www.rocketcityrockcrawlers.com/memberstuff/al/Jerry%20Can%20Paper%20V1.3.pdf on the 2nd page. DOT apparently isn't concerned about color coding according to the article.

saburai
08-30-2009, 02:52 PM
I've been concerned about this as well.

I recently had AJ build me a great set of bumpers for my XJ, enclosed winch in front and a tire carrier w/ a hi lift and dual jerry cans in the back. The cans are side by side. A few days ago I went to a sail maker, he is making me a cover for the cans. Out of sight, out of mind. Problem solved.

CoastalDefender
08-30-2009, 02:59 PM
Strap red and you're clear.

If you like, you can do the whole cap.

If you enjoy painting, you can do the whole can.

But red strap will make you legal.

bugnout
08-30-2009, 08:29 PM
Strap red and you're clear.

If you like, you can do the whole cap.

If you enjoy painting, you can do the whole can.

But red strap will make you legal.

Certainly the safe thing to do, but do you have a source for the legality issue? That seems to continue to be the question. I haven't seen any basis for the claim that color is mandated by law for any fuel cans. Just seems to be an industry standard for gas cans to be red, diesel to be yellow.

JamesDowning
08-30-2009, 09:02 PM
I beleive Jerry cans are covered under DOT 178.509 for plastic jerry cans and DOT 178.511 for steel jerry cans:

178.509: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=r49CFR178.509

178.511: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=09016334800477d4

I see no mention of color requirements.

OverlandZJ
08-31-2009, 05:47 PM
I cannot for the life of me find the source where i "thought" i read they needed some color to be compliant. Thought it was a Pa requirement..

Anyway, i think i'll just paint the Scepter straps and Nato caps red. Thanks for the input.

James86004
08-31-2009, 06:56 PM
I have a vague recollection of reading that some fire regulation required it to be red. Maybe a local fire marshal requirement somewhere? Probably from when I lived in Massachusetts, where they seemed to have a law for everything.

bugnout
08-31-2009, 07:23 PM
I submitted a question to USDOT online and they called me back this morning. The gentleman I spoke too said that fuel container color is not defined by USDOT. He thought I should check with OSHA.

I checked the OSHA site and spent about an hour searching for the common terms color or code or container or fuel or diesel or gasoline. I found nothing except some placarding requirements for large volumes and workplace safety. No mention of color coding for fuel containers anywhere.

The only color coding i did find was on the CARB site, Certification Requirements http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/pfc/2005/cp501.pdf where section 2.2 clearly defines the colors for each fuel type.

Guess you guys from california will have to stop carrying blue containers for water as they will too easily be confused for Kerosene. :sombrero:

angusdevil
09-02-2009, 08:55 PM
Here in Wisconsin, there are clearly marked signs at all gas stations that say gas can only be put into a red container, diesel in yellow and keroseen in blue. It's the first time I have ever seen any reference to color mandations with containers. It listed the law article number under it but I haven't bothered to look at it as all of my cans are properly marked and colored.

terrible
09-17-2009, 02:57 PM
My fuel can is red (http://www.thehardwarecity.com/?sku=3314523). I like it that way.

UnfrozenCaveman
09-17-2009, 03:35 PM
I don't know that there is any requirement that they be red, but I can tell you that the NATO cans that have gasoline in them at my house are painted red. The kerosene can is yellow. The used oil is in a grey NATO jerry can.

Just because, well, I'm just not that smart :sombrero:

Nick B
09-20-2009, 02:52 PM
One time at Costco the attendant would not let me fill up my U.S. GI OD can with the red strap . He said their rule is that the whole can had to be red .

Jeepthreat
09-27-2010, 07:37 PM
So the final word, is that its clear to use whatever color nationally, but there are some state or city ordances that reuire red, and indivuals who are mistake that red is required nationally?

I have my cans black with a red stripe on them /nato/ style cans. Can i make my run across the states with it?

greentruck
09-27-2010, 10:36 PM
I have some NATO-style cans. It's been so long ago, I don't remember the source, but they may be Swiss.

They came with little colored aluminum plates that sit in a spring-clip holder next to the spout at the top of the can. The red one is marked "Benzin" which I think is German for gasoline (my German is very rusty , so maybe not?)

I just keep the red plate on top in the holder.

It all looks official enough -- for somewhere.:)

Albin
09-27-2010, 11:10 PM
ASTM specs for portable fuel containers determine color for fuel cans, not USDOT regs - that's why the US Mil can have any color they want for fuel containers. There may be individual state DOT requirements as well, but that's a patchwork.

I'll see if I can dig up the ASTM spec number(s) at work tomorrow. However, unlike USDOT regs, ASTM specs are proprietary; so unless you have access to an industrial and/or gov't organization library (like I do at Boring), then you won't be able to get a copy without paying for it (or someone gives you a bootleg copy :) ).

ASTM is also the reason why civilian jerry cans are shaped differently than MIL cans (i.e. wider and shorter) and won't fit mil jerry can holders.

Al

Chazz Layne
09-27-2010, 11:21 PM
So the final word, is that its clear to use whatever color nationally, but there are some state or city ordances that reuire red, and indivuals who are mistake that red is required nationally?

Correct, but it is a good idea to do it anyhow. This is especially true when travelling in mixed groups where some vehicles are Diesel and others run on gas. It helps take the guess-work out of it when filling up on the trail, and prevents costly mistakes if you lend/borrow fuel. :Wow1:

Albin
09-28-2010, 03:52 PM
ASTM F852, Standard Specification for Portable Gasoline Containers for Consumer Use,

4 Requirements; 4.1 Color: The container shall be predominately red in color. Pigments, coatings, or other means used to impart color shall not be affected by gasoline.


ASTM F976, Standard Specification for Portable Kerosene and Diesel Containers for Consumer Use:

4 Requirements, 4.2 Color: Kerosene containers shall be predominately medium blue in color. Diesel containers shall be predominantly
medium yellow in color. Pigments, coatings, or other means
used to impart color shall not be affected by kerosene. [Note: the ASTM misspelling of "kerosine" has been corrected.]


The MFC spec, A-A-59592, specifies the ASTM F852 for a number of requirements, but not color. Hence, MFCs will be either lusterless sand or field drab color.

Al

ntsqd
09-29-2010, 03:36 PM
So there is a spec, but there is no known Fed rule/law requiring color coding. There may or may not be state or local requirements depending on where you live.
Great. No such requirement here, but when I travel elsewhere....

saburai
10-12-2010, 01:28 PM
Kinda late to the party here but this is what I did. I contracted a marine canvas guy to make a cover for my cans:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BLQMbNhEKyA/TFo00wXq05I/AAAAAAAAEuU/_GpxulA31f0/s400/Jeep%20RTT%20007.jpg
I run with two 20L cans but you get the idea...

DontPanic42
10-12-2010, 08:32 PM
So there is a spec, but there is no known Fed rule/law requiring color coding. There may or may not be state or local requirements depending on where you live.
Great. No such requirement here, but when I travel elsewhere....

There may be something in the OSHA regs. Lord knows everything else seems be stuck in there. Thankfully, I know longer need to have a copy of them.

robert
10-13-2010, 12:20 AM
LOL- I can't say that's one of the things I've ever worried about. It doesn't surprise me at all that California has some rules on it though- and their CARB compliant cans are retarded.

R_Lefebvre
10-13-2010, 03:26 PM
I can't believe you guys actually have rules for this. You really are over-regulated.

hansonian
10-13-2010, 04:58 PM
I never knew there were set rules for this. I just assumed you put gas in a red can, diesel in a yellow and sorted out the rest according to what you had laying around. I've seen people filling up 1 gallon plastic milk jugs at the gas station before so I'm assuming we don't have these laws here in Florida.

ntsqd
10-13-2010, 09:42 PM
LOL- I can't say that's one of the things I've ever worried about. It doesn't surprise me at all that California has some rules on it though- and their CARB compliant cans are retarded.
Please keep in mind that CARB is an autocracy. Our own legislature has had to slap them when they created a rule to circumvent a law that the legislature passed.

robert
10-15-2010, 08:33 PM
The rest of the country would greatly appreciate California legislating them out of existence. :p