Just begging for a wisecrack . . .

[Jonathan Hanson]

Rovers North emailed me their holiday specials, which included a multitool that incorporates a flashlight:

http://www.roversnorth.com/store/images/Product/large/RNG2014.jpg


A Land Rover multi-tool with an electrical component? Hmm . . .

[bootzilla]

You better buy the extended warranty if you are going to get that... :sombrero:

[\\'anderer]

Now you're gonna need to buy a multi tool to repair your multi tool:camping:

[FourByLand]

You guys dont get it...

[Grim Reaper]

You better buy the extended warranty if you are going to get that... :sombrero:

Especially if it has Lucas Electrical system on it!

[gjackson]

It's a bizzare world. If LRs were so bad no one would want them! Yet half the people on this list would give their left nut for a Defender 110/130. I have the inappropriate urge to make a sexist comparison (sorry ladies, I'm not usually led to these things); Land Rovers are like Bond girls (or super models): really sexy, very good for what you want them for, but unlikely to last for very long. Everything else is like all the other girls: I'll leave you to make the comparison.

Now just imagine you had a bond girl (super model) who did last the long run. That is the Land Rover we are all looking for. And they are out there, but they require a lot of work and caring for, just as you might expect. A lot of time and expense and worry, but DAMN are they worth it! :wings:

:drool: :ylsmoke:

cheers

[david despain]

Rovers North emailed me their holiday specials, which included a multitool that incorporates a flashlight:

http://www.roversnorth.com/store/images/Product/large/RNG2014.jpg


A Land Rover multi-tool with an electrical component? Hmm . . .


every series owner should never be without a second light source after dark :ylsmoke:

[\\'anderer]

It's a bizzare world. If LRs were so bad no one would want them! Yet half the people on this list would give their left nut for a Defender 110/130.

Good point, I worked on many european vehicles (years ago). Once you get past the infamous Lucas electronics and jokes, LRs are'nt so bad. I havent worked on a LR in over 18 years though, is Lucas still around?


What i really want to know is, what's the tool with the hole in the end of it?

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[uzj100]

Bond girl for the long run is called a Land Cruiser!

uzj100

[FourByLand]

Bond girl for the long run is called a Land Cruiser!

uzj100

Sigh... not even in the same fashion show, sorry sweetheart.
;)

[ChuckB]

Sigh... not even in the same fashion show, sorry sweetheart.
;)


This could bet ugly :smileeek:

[gjackson]

Lucas still around?

Lucas, prince of darkness, is still around in name. I believe he is immortal! I think BMW killed the internals and replaced them with Bosch. My truck has nothing that says Lucas. Apart from the odds and ends that Special Vehicles put on.

Which is sad, come to think of it. My Bond girl forgot how to be bad!!

:sunny:

cheers

[Scott Brady]

Looks are in the eye of the beholder.

The guy that puts a '72 Camaro on a blazer frame thinks he is going to get all of the ladies...

[Sharkman]

http://images20.fotki.com/v360/photos/6/615047/2187015/fjtool-vi.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v354/photos/6/615047/2187015/icon_rofl-vi.gif

[Jonathan Hanson]

The Purdey shotgun, the Mauser 98, the Mont Blanc pen, the Klepper sea kayak, the Rolex Explorer, the Land Rover. Others may copy and even improve on them, but they will always be the icons.

Interesting that the icons always have the most fun made of them (even by their owners!).

[Jonathan Hanson]

Sharkman, that is a joke, right? Tell me it's a joke.

[gjackson]

What i really want to know is, what's the tool with the hole in the end of it?

That is the most useful tool ever! Actually has many uses. Originally it was for pulling a new wiring loom through the chassis of a series land rover when Lucas struck and wholesale replacement was the only option. Also proved alarmingly good for adjusting timing and as a restrictor to allow that trusty smokey 2.25L gas engine to pass any sort of emissions. With the introduction of the series III it was found, quite by accident, that it is also a skeleton key for all series door locks. That use has continued, and some Defenders and Range Rovers can also be opened by that key. Rumour has it that the LR3 also has a universal skeleton key, but it is something to do with lightening and brandy. Look for clarification from Solihull after they find out what they did.

;)

cheers

[gjackson]

Interesting that the icons always have the most fun made of them (even by their owners!)

Bravo. Well said.

Where the devil did I put my pith helmet?!

cheers

[BajaTaco]

:clapsmile :xxrotflma :jump:

[Sharkman]

Sharkman, that is a joke, right? Tell me it's a joke.

No joke! Available on e-bay right now for $5.50.

I bet it’s super reliable but would you really want to be seen with it in the woods?.....hmmmm;)

[Jonathan Hanson]

I bet it’s super reliable but would you really want to be seen with it in the woods?.....hmmmm

That's precisely how I feel about the FJ Cruiser!

[bigreen505]

What i really want to know is, what's the tool with the hole in the end of it?


Officially, it is probably a lanyard attachment and most Letherman tools have one. Unofficially, Graham is probably much closer to the truth.

[Brian McVickers]

That's precisely how I feel about the FJ Cruiser!


:xxrotflma :xxrotflma :xxrotflma :bowdown: :xxrotflma :xxrotflma

[FourByLand]

Very well put Jonathan... to each his own!

[4Rescue]

It's a bizzare world. If LRs were so bad no one would want them! Yet half the people on this list would give their left nut for a Defender 110/130. I have the inappropriate urge to make a sexist comparison (sorry ladies, I'm not usually led to these things); Land Rovers are like Bond girls (or super models): really sexy, very good for what you want them for, but unlikely to last for very long. Everything else is like all the other girls: I'll leave you to make the comparison.

Now just imagine you had a bond girl (super model) who did last the long run. That is the Land Rover we are all looking for. And they are out there, but they require a lot of work and caring for, just as you might expect. A lot of time and expense and worry, but DAMN are they worth it! :wings:

:drool: :ylsmoke:

cheers


Nah, I've got a Toyota that'll last alot longer ;) and go alot further

Cheers and No Worries

Dave :rappel:

[Redback]

every series owner should never be without a second light source after dark :ylsmoke:

:luxhello: :luxhello: that's funny, aaahhh Lucus the prince of darkness:victory: :victory: :hehe: the inventor of the blackout

OK i'm sorry:rolleyes: :peepwall:

[Redback]

Nah, I've got a Toyota that'll last alot longer ;) and go alot further

Cheers and No Worries

Dave :rappel:


Hahahahahahahaha that's even funnier, and trust me i've owned 2 Toyota hiluxs:088: :088: :p :p , I know why did i buy another one, well we are all entitled to one mistake, aren't we:rolleyes: :p :peepwall:

[FourByLand]

:clapsmile :iagree:

Happy Thanksgiving!

[4Rescue]

Hahahahahahahaha that's even funnier, and trust me i've owned 2 Toyota hiluxs:088: :088: :p :p , I know why did i buy another one, well we are all entitled to one mistake, aren't we:rolleyes: :p :peepwall:
yeah because Toyotas are widely known to be unreliable and have all sorts of problems ;) (I'm assuming you meant "didn't" buy another one) and the 22RE isn't literaly THE most reliable engine on the panet... You brit car owners are hillarious, if something breaks on a normal rig it's called unrelaible, if a Rover breaks it's called "charm" well, at least you guy's and gals get alot of "Charm" out of your rigs :lol: LR's are hillarious, all that money and it's either got a bad electrical system or it's a Ford (ooh stings)

And for the record I drove LR's and Cruisers all over Australia and the Cruisers never broke down, same can't be said for the rovers that were in need of constant tinkering. Hell it was an LC79 that got me out of the bush when I got bit by a RedBack, good thing I wasn't in the bloody rover I would have been hooped.

Cheers and No Worries

Dave

[Scott Brady]

While my Disco II had many electrical problems, it was very capable off-highway and was more comfortable and possessed several positive ergonomic and design features that Toyota's do not have (offset axles, 3.3:1 low range, long accelerator pedal travel for fine control, etc.).

So, there is no perfect off-highway vehicle. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. In the Outback Challenge, the Nissans and Land Cruisers (80 series) had massive failures while the LR's suffered no issues.

There is no question that Toyota is more reliable, but compared to a Defender, the variance in reliability is much less than some of the comments in this thread would support.

Just my opinion, having owned and driven them both...

[calamaridog]

I admit Land Rovers are damn sexy. If I hadn't heard the negatives about the Discovery's reliability I would have two:peepwall:





Damn, I hope my LC starts in the morning...

[gjackson]

Lest this devolve into a make flame war, I do have to admit that I would give my left nut for a 75 or 78 series diesel troopie. Sweet trucks!!

Right now I own a 110 and don't need a 78, but they are the defenders of the toyota world. (Or maybe defenders are the 70 series of the land rover world?). For reliability they are excellent, but so is my defender. Any way you cut it, the car that breaks down on you in a pinch is the car you will deride, no matter the make. Believe me, there are planty of stories of land cruisers breaking, just as there are of land rovers. It all comes from your own experience. No land rover I have owned has ever left me stranded. No land rover my familiy has owned has ever left any of us stranded. They have broken down, sure, but never stranded us. We have never owned land cruisers, so I can't speak to them. But I can't say lr lacks for reliability. Other peoples' experience will obviously differ. But for the record, "charms" are not something I want or will tollerate on my expedition rig.

But wow, that FJ tool is kinda hokey! ;)

cheers

[Z O O R O P A]

Jackson,

Land Rovers are like Bond Girls exactly. Nice to look at and nice to take a ride in now and then but if you are looking for depth and longevity, look else where

Of ALL the 100s of Land Rover owners I have spoken to, who love their rigs as much as you, not one NOT ONE ever said - it is reliable and trouble free!

I hear that from Toyota owners, I hear that from other makes n models. But please attempt to give an honest impression. Toyota owners complaiun about everyonehaving the same rig and driving the same car or that they wish the seats were comfy

Rover owners have chapped lips from bawling out the dealer every week :wings:

I have owned to many LR and my current one has 55k and I can't wait to be free of it - it has never given me a problem to my complete and absolute surprise and amazement

[Jonathan Hanson]

I agree with what has been said about the comparison between the Defender and the 70-series Land Cruiser being more appropriate. Land Rover seems to get in the most trouble when they load up a vehicle (Disco, Rangie) with electronic toys such as heated and power seats, etc. Like it or not the English have never mastered electronics.

Yet in engineering Land Rover has always pushed the envelope. The Range Rover introduced four-wheel long-travel coil-spring suspension to the world in 1970; it was over two decades before Toyota climbed on that bus.

I love my FJ40, which has given me 300,000 miles of totally trouble-free service. But I am always aware of the fact that it is essentlally a copy, a calculated plan by Toyota to take market share away from Land Rover, the company that pioneered (however accidentally at first) the concept of the lightweight expedition vehicle. Even the name "Land Cruiser" is a hokey ripoff when you look at it objectively. Still, you have to give credit to the Japanese for improving many things, especially reliability--which must by any measure be the number one concern in an expedition vehicle.

No one can reasonably argue that Land Rover doesn't need better quality control. Yet there are still many, many reasons to choose a Defender or Series vehicle as a base for an expedition machine. And I would not count tradition and loyalty lightly among them. That's why I bought one!

[Ron B]

I'm so used to people dissing my ride (old-school hummer) that it's mildly entertaining to see another make getting dumped on! But in all seriousness... even with their deficiencies, a LR 110 or 90 are about the only trucks that still turn my head whether on the road or the trails.

I'm sure exotic sports cars spend less time on the road and more time in the shop as well. But for some, owning a jack of all trades/master of none just won't do. Don't get me wrong, I like certain aspects of all makes. They each have strengths/weaknesses (including the "exotics").

Ron B

[bootzilla]

I totally loved my Land Rover - except for the part where it liked to leak oil and go the to shop for new rear main seals. Part of loving LR's is being able to make fun of their constant quirks and problems - it is part of their character....

...'course, I choose to admire that character from afar, at this point, but that is only because I got tired of driving back and forth to the dealership (It did have it's benefits, though - I got to drive all kinds of cool loaner vehicles while mine was getting repaired - the LR3 was by far my favorite, at one point I had to drive one for three weeks straight - everyone at work thought I got a raise that nobody knew about!)

So does that multi-tool require oil to be added every other week? ;)

[Z O O R O P A]

I totally loved my Land Rover - except for the part where it liked to leak oil and go the to shop for new rear main seals. Part of loving LR's is being able to make fun of their constant quirks and problems - it is part of their character....

...'course, I choose to admire that character from afar, at this point, but that is only because I got tired of driving back and forth to the dealership (It did have it's benefits, though -

:wings: :clapsmile

I got to drive all kinds of cool loaner vehicles while mine was getting repaired - the LR3 was by far my favorite, at one point I had to drive one for three weeks straight - everyone at work thought I got a raise that nobody knew about!)

So does that multi-tool require oil to be added every other week? ;)

HAHAHAH AWESOME ! ! ! !

[gjackson]

Okay, I'll bite, though I know I shouldn't.


But please attempt to give an honest impression.

I did. I gave a completely honest impression. My truck has NEVER stranded me. That is 30,000 miles in Africa and 22,000 in the US, a lot of that off road. Yes, I can't put up a 300,000 mile log, but then my truck just hasn't done that yet. Everything I said was based on my experience with my own vehicles.

Like I said, my impressions are based on my experience. ZOOROPA, I'm sorry your experience with LR was so bad. And if that is the case, by all means go elsewhere. But realize that not every one has had your experience, neither will they. My LR is everything I wanted and EXPECTED. I find no fault with it. Having said that, I don't own a Disco or a Rangie or an LR3 or a Freelander.

No LR dealer would touch my LR anyway. I do all my own work. :wings: Much better that way!


cheers

[Z O O R O P A]

Jackson,

I did not mean to give offense. That is not my intention here nor the mentality or demeanor of this website. Which seperates it from all other websites in my mind and what makes this place even more unique

I have owned a lot of cars for my age. More importantly like you all, I have watched those around me own cars. I love Rovers as much as you, they just are not well built cars. Allow me to rephrase that; most Land Rovers that come off the assembly line are not well built. Ok?

Look at Bootzillas post. Not only is it hilarious, and it is, I mean extreemly funny, it is important to maintain an attitude such as this when you are the unfortunate owner of a vehicle like this.

It is also an accurate account of the many 100s of owners who I have met, either at events, crossing the country, or on the nice leather sofas of my local dealer. I have been to many dealers too. I have owned Rovers in while living in different states and it is the same story. Jackson, that is not just my epxerience but the common and more than average experience of most owners. Hence the piss poor consumer reports year after year. Land Rover has been in the bottom 10 for ever

Defenders don't have alot to them. Engine bay, axles, swival balls, etc there is not alot there. So, yes there should not be alot of issues. It is a real basic vehicle. It is hot and wet in the summer and cold and leaky in the winter. And for what you get the inflated price, is well, inflated greatly.

That aside, Buick made a terrible engine in both Defenders and Discos and BMW did do some improvements with the Bosch system etc but not nearly enough and lost so much $$$ they bailed out after only a few years

They are not great daily drivers. They are not great expedition vehicles. They are comfy and aesthetically nice looking and designed

A Land Rover has a romantic image attached to it but a Discovery or Defender has less going for it as far as overland and daily durability than many other makes. If not for the large amount of support from other manfacts. that supply the racks and accessories LR would not be a consideration for long distance travel for over land with a petrol engine anyway

AGAINST IT-
Reliabilty
gas mil.
support
access for on the trail fix
expensive and limited availability for accessories
poor engine performance
auto only
petrol only with lower than stated gas mil
premium gas required <----------

FOR IT-
comfort
looks
can pull anything
heavy and stout
image
Diff man lock
Good 4 wheel drive system
what else?

Now take Jeep Toyota Nissan and ask the same questions and side by side the 4 Runner or Tacoma, Xterra, Cherokee or wrangler will have the same performance or better than the Rover in every aspect except looks and image and maybe what it can tow. Also Rovers 4x4 is superior but at a large cost. It is not durable. What is durable? A system that does not need major over haul after 60-90k miles after little to none off roading


I like Land Rovers too, but see them for what they are and what they are not please.

You can not tell us Land Rovers are great cars because of your D110, which you fix on your own.

[Ron B]

I am no pro on the LR, but isn't the auto tranny and gas engine required here in the US, but options everywhere else? Looks like with these two options, your against list shrinks considerably.

Like Mr Jackson, I wouldn't let a dealer touch my truck either (most hummer dealers wouldn't know what to do anyway). Once you are out of warranty (and sometimes before) run away! Besides the fact that the dealer most often employs morons to work on your vehicle at $110/hr or more, I think it's important to do as much of your own maintenace as possible so you are familiar with your truck when sh*t happens out in the boonies. And sh*t will happen no matter what you drive, and always at the most inopportune time (is there an opportune time for sh*t to happen?). I guess with some trucks it just happens more often, it's a choice.

ron b

[Z O O R O P A]

very true , there really are no Diesels available but the landy gets worse mpgs than most - but according to Jeep this wont be true for long as they are introducing Ds to the USA

outside the USA Ds are are common but the service and reliability of Rovers is the same

most of us dont have the time to work on our own cars and rely on the dealer

other dealers of other makes of cars I have owned didnt have the same effect on various makes and models I have purchased so that is irrelevant

""I guess with some trucks it just happens more often, it's a choice. ""

that is the whole point -

msot dealers don't hire just morons, I dont agree with that general remark unless you are getting your 45K vehicle fixed at a gas station off the highway

sh!t does happen, just more often like you said on some makes and that is all the difference in: owner content, money in your pocket, time you get to drive the car, anxirty or concern about going off the road and basic confidence in your purchase mmkay

[Robthebrit]

Even though I am a Brit I know very little about LR's, although I would really like an older one. When I hear all the time they are unreliable what does that really mean? Do they typically have major mechanical problems or is it just lots of little things?

For example my mog; its got unsurpassed reliability and I am confident it would drive me to the end of the world but there is always something not quite working properly. There is always an oil leak here or there, a chaffed wire, things that need adjusting, the wipers might fall off etc. I originally put this down to being 30+ years old but the brand new ones have plenty of little issues too. The end result is it feels like I am always fixing it and working on it but its nothing serious.

Is the LR the same as this or does it have more worrying problems?

Rob

[Jonathan Hanson]

My, this little multi-tool spoof certainly grew legs. But I believe a thoughtful discussion along these lines is a good thing. Too many LR owner websites shrug off or even deny the company's problems, and too many Toyota (and other brand) sites dismiss the entire Land Rover line as garbage.

Rob, I believe I can speak objectively as a long-time Land Cruiser owner and long-time Land Rover fan (and recent owner), and competent amateur mechanic who has worked on both.

It is incontrovertible that Land Rover's more cosmopolitan models (Disco, Range Rover, Freelander) suffer from numerous faults that relegate the company to the basement of reliability surveys both in the U.S. and in England. Five minutes on the web will confirm this beyond argument. Yet loyalty among owners of those vehicles is surprisingly high, which I believe must be put down to engineering and design - when they work, they work really, really well at their goal of combining luxury with serious off-road ability.

The 1993 (?) to 1997 (?) Defender in the U.S. (a different beast than the turbodiesel models sold elsewhere) experienced fewer minor defects, but still suffered more major component failures than it should have. Look at ads for Defender 90s with 50,000 to 60,000 miles on them and you'll note a high percentage of replaced transmissions (Graham will know the bad one) and even engines - the aluminum V8 seemed inclined to either run forever or detonate early, depending on the luck of the draw. And when Land Rover stopped galvanising the body trim and instead simply painted over it, they began experiencing early rust in those areas. East Coast Rovers makes boatloads of money correcting this problem.

However, the ROW (rest of world) Defender fares much better. Yes, assembly can often be described as haphazard, but the vehicle is so basic that there’s a lot of leeway for haphazard assembly. And the turbodiesels seem to run much longer than the petrol engines. This explains why plenty of people in Africa still use Defenders for both private trips and safari company use.

The best thing about the Series/Defender is the mechano aspect of the thing. I could turn my 1974 Series III into a Defender simply by replacing components one at a time – coil-spring chassis, turbodiesel engine, five-speed transmission, even bodywork. The crossover in parts from year to year is unmatched by any other utility 4x4. That has to be a real advantage for third-world users.

In the end, I think the famous PR line for Jeeps, “It’s a Jeep thing, you wouldn’t understand,” could better have been adopted by Land Rover. You either understand it or you don’t.

[gjackson]

ZOOROPA,

I guess we'll just have to a agree to disagree.

I think LRs do make great expedition vehicles. I think I have the experience to justify that position. And I can tell you that LRs are great vehicles based on my D110 even if I do fix it myself. By great here I mean specific things: it is very capable off-road, it carrys me and all my equipment in comfort, it is easy to modify and customize to make it a better expedition vehicle for me, there are tons of aftermarket parts and accessories avaliable, parts are easy to source anywhere in the world etc. And I don't deny that the same can be said of a 70 series LC. I choose a Defender because I have had a lot of experience with LRs, so I know the platform and don't have to learn a bunch of new tricks to outfit one. I also don't deny that LR has build quility issues and that some LR are plagued with problems. I haven't had that experience with any of mine (2 Defenders and a Series IIa) or with any of the LRs in my family (2 RR classics, a Disco, a Series III 109 and 2 Series IIa 109s).

And don't worry, you didn't offend me. I think I have a healthy sense of humor about what I drive. I just don't like gross generalizations that obviously aren't true. And having said all these nice things about LRs, I fully expect my clutch to fail next time I get in the 110!!! :smiley_drive: :p


Is the LR the same as this or does it have more worrying problems?

The LR is pretty much the same. My series IIa had all sorts of things that weren't working quite right, but the vehcile ran well and did what I wanted. I think the things (like flashers, heater, brakes) that didn't work properly were mainly due to age and neglect when I pruchased the car. Since the car ran and did what I wanted I didn't put much priority on fixing those things. Certain models do have specific problems and certain components have been shown to be weak. The LT77 gearbox, for instance was prone to fail, and the R380 while better can't handle the amount of torque that many upgraded engines put through it. First model years of vehicles should be avoided (true with any marque I think). And rust on RRs and late Defenders can be a bear.


However, the ROW (rest of world) Defender fares much better

Very true. ROW Defenders and CKD kits put together in SA and Brazil don't have the same QC problems that eat away at Solihul vehicles. But they aren't perfect either!

cheers

[david despain]

I cant belive no one brought up the cat story......

So an engineer from Solihul goes to vist the land crusier factory in japan and he is with an engineer from toyota at the very end of the assembly line, where they add the new car smell and armor all the tires and he notices that as the truck rolls off the line there is one guy taking cats out of a burlap sack and tossing them in the truck. the brit asks the toyota guy what's this all about then. His answer is that to make sure the toyota is properly sealed up so all the doughy pasty middle aged middle management and soccer moms dont complain about wind noise and water leaks they toss in a cat and in the morning the cat has suffocated from the perfect seal. The LR guy thinks wow thats pretty good manufacturing and decides to try it out when he gets home. So after he explains it to the production manager they give it a try. They toss in a cat and the next morning they go out to see if their seals were good enough to suffocate the cat and they find..... they cat escaped!

Also i really love my disco this time of year, not for its winter storm road handling ability but because the dash is lit up like a festivus tree! Its a merry reminder of the holiday season. i have the 3 amigos and the CE lite.

david. i love my disco and all its charm. i think i want a RRC for to build an off roader only.

[Scott Brady]

Also i really love my disco this time of year, not for its winter storm road handling ability but because the dash is lit up like a festivus tree! Its a merry reminder of the holiday season. i have the 3 amigos and the CE lite.


O crap, I just laughed out loud :D

Despite my problems with the DII, I cant wait to own another Rover :jumping:

[FourByLand]

Yeah, it's romantic for sure.

:archaeolo

[Jonathan Hanson]

I swear Mr. 110 Tdi Graham Jackson himself posted the cat story some time back on this forum. It's hilarious.

[BMAN]

While my Disco II had many electrical problems, it was very capable off-highway and was more comfortable and possessed several positive ergonomic and design features that Toyota's do not have (offset axles, 3.3:1 low range, long accelerator pedal travel for fine control, etc.).

So, there is no perfect off-highway vehicle. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. In the Outback Challenge, the Nissans and Land Cruisers (80 series) had massive failures while the LR's suffered no issues.

There is no question that Toyota is more reliable, but compared to a Defender, the variance in reliability is much less than some of the comments in this thread would support.

Just my opinion, having owned and driven them both...

Hmm... My 40 and 60 both have offset differentials?

Got me on the 3.3:1

Never had issues with pedal control so I have no idea wht you're talking about on that one.

My uncle put 600k on his 81 Hilux w/o issue so reliability in my biased opinion goes to the Toy.

What manufacturer won the Outback Challenge hands down?


All of that said and my reputation as a Toyota Club president on the line, I'd not only give my left nut for a D110, I'd be willing to throw in a matching right one too. Then again, I've said the same about a few 70 series LC's too.

A wise man once said, "In matters of taste, there is no argument".

[ZooJunkie]

You brit car owners are hillarious,

He's not a Brit. :sombrero:

He's an Aussie!

[gjackson]

I swear Mr. 110 Tdi Graham Jackson himself posted the cat story some time back on this forum. It's hilarious.

Yeah, but that one's good enough to be repeated!!! :D :D :D


cheers

[Redback]

Seems i stirred up a hornets nest with my Hilux comments, but i would read my post again, in it there is no mention of Rovers being better than Hiluxs no mention of reliability issues with them actually no mention of anything bad against any Toyota vehicle.

My 2 hiluxs were uncomfortable, slow, hopeless offroad, as for towing anything, wouldn't pull ya grandmother out of bed, i broke 2 diffs in each and a transfer case in the later one, had oil leaks (anyone who say Jap 4WD don't leak oil is only foolin themselves) and so many cracks in the body from rough use i lost count, my hiluxs were diesels and manual.

I don't bag anything unless i've owned one and even then it's in jest, like my post, if read the first post you'll see i take the p1ss out of Rovers too.

Now as for the reliability of Rovers, as expeditionswest has said, most of the stories are excagerated and all cars have there good and bad issues, most of the Rover stories come from the old series vehicles and Lucus electrics, but that was for all pommie vehicles really, i know i had my share of English cars, but then again most cars in those days had problems.

My DII has been super reliable and has never had a spanner on it in anger, it's done 130,000 hard ks (80,000 miles) it's been abused offroad taken me to the most remote parts of Australia and never once missed a beat, which is more than i could say about the 2 hiluxs i had, but then mine might have just been bad luck.

So take a pill and relax i ment no malice, just funnin with ya 4rescue, well not you personnally but in general, as i'm sure you guys do it too, it's a brand thing.

Oh look through the list of vehicle that have dominated the Outback Challenge, there's always a Rover there in the top 5 and has even won it too.

Oh yeah i'm an Aussie through and through with Irish heritage:camping: :beer:

Baz.

[Redback]

OK this is happening on a regular basis here in Australia, this is a copy and paste from ExplorOz forum here in Aust.
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On 16th November my 2001 Nissan Patrol 3.0 litre engine failed. It had 109,123 km on the clock and was just 6 months out of the extended warranty. We were just 10 km from home, fully loaded with camper trailer in tow, and were on our way to Coral Bay for a week. We had just reached cruising speed when the engine went bang, car started shaking, and smoke galore was billowing out the back. Armed with knowledge gained from this forum, I had a fairly good idea what the problem was. After making a few changes to our holiday plans, I rang Val Davis to discuss what options we had. Because we live in the heart of “The Pilbara”, it took some time to evaluate where to send it. In the end we decided the best option, and surprisingly the cheapest, was to send it to Perth. Once in Perth it was compression tested, then stripped and assessed where they found a hole in no. 3 & 4 pistons. The initial offer of repair by Nissan Australia was fairly poor, they would supply new pistons, rings and gaskets, and I was to pay for labour. I am still in discussions with Nissan now trying and improve on this. Most of the discussions however have been with Val at Nissan Australia as I get the feeling the Nissan dealership doesn’t really want to go into bat for me on this.

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the replies

Hi Bushmark,
Sorry to hear of your travails.
I suffered the 5th gear problem on the Nullarbor, but fortunately, I was till within the extended warranty, so Nissan came to the party. The 24-hour assist was partly useful, but would have come nowhere near covering for accommodation and fares if the gearbox had been fixed in Esperance or Kalgoorlie. In the end, I drove it back to Perth in 4th (with their permission).
Interesting to read an article in this weekend's Australian newspaper of Bracks talking of introducing "lemon" laws in Vic. Too long have we been made mushrooms by vehicle mfr's with respect to known design faults in vehicles. They went on to describe the laws in the US, with some states making it an offence to hide known faults from the public. That's certainly what's happening here. Nissan will never publicly admit the engine fault nor their gearbox 5th gear fault.
A mate recently bought a s/h troopy, of the era when they had a spline problem in the gearbox. He negotiated a purchase price which factored in the upgrading of the gearbox, so was happy with the deal. He rang Toyota to ask what price they would do the job for, but they disclaimed any knowledge of the fault, even tho they put out an upgrade kit. Similarly, Toyota never admitted to the oil transfer problem with the transfer case on earlier models. The b@stards will admit to nothing.
Stick with it, don't let up. Nissan have a moral responsibility to come to the party with a known fault and an engine that's done as few kms as yours, even if it is just out of warranty. Consumer affairs would be your next step.
Hope your holiday wasn't too screwed up.
Good luck
Gerry
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Hi Gerry

Interesting to read what you said about Brack introducing lemon Laws into Vic.

On my recent trip, which ended in my Patrol 3.0 litre blowing up, I punctured the side wall of a new Cooper A/T tyre (it had 2500km) on a gravel road near Mt Dare.

A friend from Canada said that if that happens in Canada or the USA it is regarded as a "road" and replaced free of charge. I still have the tyre - does anyone know if Cooper here have the same obligations or protection in Australia?

Be good if our laws protected the consumers here rather than allowing the manufacturers to hide behind "we were unaware of the problem" or it is your fault, the tyre shouldn't be on the road.

My 5th gear was in extended warranty when it "expired" and replaced under warranty.

Cheers

Ron.

It just goes to show all 4WDs have there problems, even Nissan.

Throw in 100s cruisers cracking front ends IFS and blowing front diffs, and that includes 79series too makes you think.

I'm not brand driven like some, i could quite easely buy another brand when it comes time to get rid of the Disco, we have even tossed around to idea of getting a Jeep as our next tourer.

So there you go food for thought.

I would not wish this on any 4wd owner.

Here's a link to the thread

http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/View.asp?ForumQID=39766&Page=%2FForum%2FDefault%2Easp%3Fs%3D0%26PN%3D1

Baz.

[Scott Brady]

http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=44417#post44417

We need to throttle back on the brand bashing... Thanks :friday:

(this is not directed at anyone in particular)

[The Swiss]

My Defender 110 I had in Europe needed a to have the tranny replaced at around 7500km (about 4700 miles) because some gears apparently bypassed the hardening procedure prior to assembly; on my Tacoma I have now the pressure plate of the clutch broke at 4,370 miles due to a material defect. So in my personal ranking, Land Rover has Toyota beat by about 330 miles :clapsmile

[FourByLand]

Now that's rich! :D

[Redback]

A bit like my daddys better than your daddy

On forums here it's

Waeco v Engel

Yoyo v Nissan

BFG v Coopers

diesel v petrol/gas

and everyone v Land Rover

can get quite heated at times and sometimes the humour is bloody side splitting:wings:

Most time i'm the only Rover when out with mates, so before long out come the ribbings if you don't make it over something, but it's all a bit of fun:ylsmoke:

Life would be pretty boring if we all drove the same car:coffee:

[gjackson]

Life would be pretty boring if we all drove the same car

Ain't that the truth!!

cheers

[devinsixtyseven]

im actually tempted to drop in at the local yota dealer just to see if theyre selling those orange...things :p. i think i pooped myself laughing over this thread :p...

[4Rescue]

Seems i stirred up a hornets nest with my Hilux comments, but i would read my post again, in it there is no mention of Rovers being better than Hiluxs no mention of reliability issues with them actually no mention of anything bad against any Toyota vehicle.

My 2 hiluxs were uncomfortable, slow, hopeless offroad, as for towing anything, wouldn't pull ya grandmother out of bed, i broke 2 diffs in each and a transfer case in the later one, had oil leaks (anyone who say Jap 4WD don't leak oil is only foolin themselves) and so many cracks in the body from rough use i lost count, my hiluxs were diesels and manual.

I don't bag anything unless i've owned one and even then it's in jest, like my post, if read the first post you'll see i take the p1ss out of Rovers too.

Now as for the reliability of Rovers, as expeditionswest has said, most of the stories are excagerated and all cars have there good and bad issues, most of the Rover stories come from the old series vehicles and Lucus electrics, but that was for all pommie vehicles really, i know i had my share of English cars, but then again most cars in those days had problems.

My DII has been super reliable and has never had a spanner on it in anger, it's done 130,000 hard ks (80,000 miles) it's been abused offroad taken me to the most remote parts of Australia and never once missed a beat, which is more than i could say about the 2 hiluxs i had, but then mine might have just been bad luck.

So take a pill and relax i ment no malice, just funnin with ya 4rescue, well not you personnally but in general, as i'm sure you guys do it too, it's a brand thing.

Oh look through the list of vehicle that have dominated the Outback Challenge, there's always a Rover there in the top 5 and has even won it too.

Oh yeah i'm an Aussie through and through with Irish heritage:camping: :beer:

Baz.No worries, I'm a redhead (scottish) so I'll take it on the chin eh...

Alot of my distrust for LR's comes from the simple fact that I'm a yank and frankly, 99% of all the LR's here are driven by yuppies to and from the mall... That and the dismal time I had with our LR's on Lochenbar (Bananna shire QLD)

By all means, to each their own...

Cheers

Dave