FJ Cruiser

[BajaTaco]

OK, until this vehicle gets its own forum section, I'll put the discussion here.


http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/SEMA_05/toyota/FJ_Cruiser/IMG_2041.JPG

I'm sure many of you may have seen the new pictures and info coming from recent coverage (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/SEMA_05/toyota/FJ_Cruiser/fj_cruiser.htm) at the SEMA show 2005. They had a blue FJ cruiser at the show outfitted with some key things that most serious 4wd enthusiasts definitely took note of:

33" Tires w/beadlock wheels (and they don't look like 17" either!)
Donahoe coilovers (front)
ARB Bull bar
Warn Winch(es)
ARB Front air locker
Vertical spare tire mount (had been slanted)
Jerry can mount
Functional roof rack with lights and recovery equip.
On-board air (CO2 tank + ARB compressor)Seeing the FJC in this way has certainly increased my attraction to the vehicle, and increased my interest considering it's potential as a viable (light) expedition-style vehicle. The specifications for the drivetrain on the FJC appear to be pretty much identical to the new Tacoma truck (see end of post). This car will not have the greatest fuel economy which is a shame considering the current state of affairs and the availability of strong diesel engines elsewhere in the world, and the new popularity of biodiesel here in the U.S.

Fuel economy aside, the car seems to have a very solid foundation and capability in stock form, and will surely be quite capable on the trail with the addition of some key aftermarket (or possibly factory?) options. It is looking to me like the FJC is pretty much going to hit the ground running, with a large aftermarket already in development, and available quickly after its introduction to the public market. This appeals to me. The thought of having something fresh and fun from Toyota is also very appealing to me. One of the biggest factors is having the Toyota reliability in a new vehicle that is actually trail-worthy. That could end up being the sole reason for getting one (for me anyway). My biggest concerns at this point are the following:

Payload is only 1,000 lbs. As I have said before, this is often a trade-off for hard-body, wagon type 4wds whereby so much payload is used for extra sheetmetal, steel, glass, and various materials that contribute a great deal to GVW.
Short wheelbase. It seems to me that the potential for making a viable sleeping quarters for two people in this vehicle is pretty much out of the question. If the front passenger seat was removed, I'm sure it would do ok for a single person. This leaves the option of a roof tent, which I might just have to consider if I were to get serious about buying an FJC. [Edit: After inspecting the FJ in person, I discovered it will indeed be possible to sleep inside the vehcile if the rear seats are removed and a platform is constructed.]
Related to the above - I wonder if there would be any room below for a larger fuel tank, or an auxiliary tank. The jerry can is nice, but it would be good to keep the weight off of the back of the car and have more reserve than 5 gallons. [Edit: After inspecting the FJ in person, I discovered there is plenty of room for an auxiliary fuel tank just behind the rear axle, under the body.]
Visibility. It seems to me that this car has poor visibility for the driver, but until I get inside and try it out I won't know for sure. [Edit: After inspecting the FJ in person, and being used to driving a truck with a camper shell and tinted windows, the use of the FJ's ample side mirrors (augmented with a couple of small circular fish-eye mirrors) makes this a non-issue for me. I would say that forward visibility over the hood is bit less than desireable.]I really like the styling of this car after all. Now that I can see it with the goodies on it, it looks much better to me (as do most any stock 4wds, with some exceptions). Related to my concerns above, I may just have to wait and build my own Toyota conglomeration one of these days. I would use the front half of the FJC, stretch the back half and fit it with a camper box and long-range fuel tanks along with all of the expedition goodies, and plop a diesel engine in it. :D Sigh...

OK, since that won't happen, maybe when the time comes, I'll just get an FJC and put a tent on the roof and call it good. :smilies27 It just looks too fun to pass up.


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Thanks to mountainpete for providing us with this info:

From Truck Trend Magazine...

2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser

General
Location of final assembly Tahara, Japan
Body style 2-door, 5-pass SUV
EPA size class Light truck (midsize SUV)
Drivetrain layout Front engine, 4WD
Airbags Dual front, side, head
Powertrain
Engine type 90° V-6, alum block/heads
Bore x stroke, in 3.70 x 3.74
Displacement, ci/L 241/4.0
Compression ratio 10.0:1
Valve gear DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
Fuel induction Multipoint
SAE horsepower, hp @ rpm 245 @ 5200
SAE torque, lb-ft @ rpm 282 @ 3800
Transmission type Six-speed manual
1st 4.17:1
2nd 2.19:1
3rd 1.49:1
4th 1.19:1
5th 1.00:1
6th 0.85:1
Reverse 3.61:1
Axle ratio 3.73:1
Final-drive ratio 3.17:1
Low-range ratio 2.57:1
Crawl ratio (1st x axle gears x low) 40:1
Recommended fuel Premium unleaded
Dimensions/Capacities
Wheelbase, in 105.9
Length, in 177.6
Width, in 74.6
Height, in 70.9
Ground clearance, in 9.6
Base curb weight, lb 3800 (est)
Payload capacity, lb 1000 (est)
GVWR, lb 5000
GCWR, lb 8800
Towing capacity, lb 5000
Fuel capacity, gal 20.0
Chassis
Suspension, f/r IFS, coil spring/solid axle, four-link, coil spring
Steering type Power-assist rack-and-pinion
Ratio 15.6:1
Wheels 17.0x7 cast aluminum
Tires 265/70R17 BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A
Load rating C
Speed rating 121/118
Price
Base price $22,000 (est)
Fully optioned price $27,000 (est)

[Jonathan Hanson]

SIGH . . .

Thanks for the information, Chris.

As a long-time Land Cruiser person, I just don't know what to make of this thing, even now. My personal, highly subjective, totally prejudiced yardstick for a vehicle such as this is whether it appears to have been designed for a purpose that will attract its own market, or a market that will attract its own purpose.

Purpose-derived designs: Land Rover Series vehicles and Defenders, Land Cruiser 40, 45, 55, 60, 75, 78, and 80s, the original Chevy Suburban, pickups with over-six-foot beds, Jeep Wranglers and CJs, etc.

Market-derived: Hummer H2 and H3, Ford Explorer, ad nauseum. The current Land Cruiser sits on the edge, with its independent front suspension installed as a sop to the North American market, but at least it's still a Land Cruiser in other respects.

Try as I might, I can't picture the FJ Cruiser in anything but the market-driven category. That doesn't mean it won't be competent, it just means its competency appears to be heavily compromised in favor of style. If that makes sense. I can picture Toyota dealers selling cute accessories for the FJ like they do for Scions. Lighted cup holders, anyone? (I did not make that up.)

How I wish Toyota had introduced a competitor to Jeep's current brilliant Rubicon, with straight axles, lockers, and the awesome three-liter turbodiesel engine already available in Hiluxes elsewhere.

Sorry, this sounds like complete griping. I guess I hold Toyota to a very high standard. Feel free to flame me . . .

[BajaTaco]

You certainly won't be getting any flames from me. I think quite a lot of 4wd Toyota fans feel the way you do and for good reason. I even had my own "sigh" in the previous post, and am also disappointed about the diesel situation.

Now that I have used the newer Toyota IFS for my particular type of use with good success over many years, I am not so quick to cry for the solid front axle like I used to be. I am happy with a well designed, strong IFS - probably as happy as I could be with a SFA. Although I think it is agreed that anyone who likes to do very technical trail work will prefer the SFA (myself included). So I hope that Toyota realizes that and doesn't squelch the concept altogether when they think about upcoming models. It's great that ARB is making a front locker for the new FJC, but the fact of the matter is that the vulnerability of the IFS is still there. The SFA is the smarter choice.

So what can we do about it?

It appears that Toyota obviously has its own ideas about what will sell and what won't here in the US. (market driven as you mentioned). What I have decided to do (try not to roll your eyes) is foster the market that will foster the Toyota we want... here in the U.S.A. And this forum is a good example. And so is your website, and Scott's website, and Nathan's website, and eveyone else who is promoting and encouraging the type of exploration/adventure culture that we want to see here, that is so prominent in other countries. It is the dawning of a new age for 4wd here in the U.S. - before you know it, we will be subscribing to our own local version of Australia 4wd Monthly (American 4wd Monthly perhaps?) loaded with expedition style vehicles and trip reports. Scott taking his truck to SEMA and networking there is a fantastic aid in making this sort of thing happen. I think the ball has begun to roll and will pick up speed. Let's keep it rolling :)

One thing I forgot to mention, that I noticed from the photos of the FJC. It appears that there is quite a bit of space in front of the battery, which leads me to believe there might be room to turn that battery 90 degrees, scoot it over, and mount another along side of it. ;)

[kcowyo]

What I have decided to do (try not to roll your eyes) is foster the market that will foster the Toyota we want... here in the U.S.A. And this forum is a good example. And so is your website, and Scott's website, and Nathan's website, and eveyone else who is promoting and encouraging the type of exploration/adventure culture that we want to see here, that is so prominent in other countries. It is the dawning of a new age for 4wd here in the U.S. - before you know it, we will be subscribing to our own local version of Australia 4wd Monthly (American 4wd Monthly perhaps?) loaded with expedition style vehicles and trip reports. Scott taking his truck to SEMA and networking there is a fantastic aid in making this sort of thing happen. I think the ball has begun to roll and will pick up speed. Let's keep it rolling :)


[not hijack -just a detour]

...and don't be too modest Chris, your site and truck have inspired tons of 'Yota truck owners. I can't recall how many posts I see on other boards who've built their Toyota truck with cues taken from what you've done with your BajaTaco. You should be proud for helping show people what is possible and the benefits they could possibly reap by thinking beyond 40" Boggers and Chrome Moly inners & outers. :tipmyhat:

I agree that Scott's passion and relentless drive to promote expedition travel will help push this segment of 4 wheeling to the next level. My hope is that this type of offroad travel will be seen as more environmentally friendly than rockcrawling and mudbogging. Cultural Tourism is hot, hot right now and the benifits of people seeing that responsible offroad vehicle travel and experience filled vacations can co-exist with minimal impact to the environment, is huge. Just imagine being at the forefront of offroad travel enthusiasts and environmentalists working and playing together. Mind boggling...

...oh, and sorry, but I think the new FJ is uglier than a bowling shoe! :smilies27

[riverguide]

well there is no question that Chris' truck has influenced lots of ppl with toyotas, its simply a sweet truck, well thought out.

As far as this fjc goes...I don't know either but I might not know for a lil while. It's a good lookin truck, I don't care about the solid front axle and at the moment i'm not married so single sleeping arrangments are ok. I am giving this truck a good chance in the market whether for off roading, mall cruisers or soccer moms, I think toyota has a good start here. That being said, If the top came off, had a roll cage, had a solid front axle...lil bit different window set up...i'd really like it. The future will only tell.

[Jonathan Hanson]

Very well put, Chris. And you are perfectly correct. After all, it was just that kind of influence that coerced Toyota into installing such things as locking differentials in U.S.-market trucks. So we can all make an emergency escape from that "muddy road" they warn us about on the door sticker . . .

I'd love to see a factory package for the Tacoma that included Hi-Lift-jackable front and rear bumpers, rocker protection, a winch, and perhaps an air compressor. In the meatime those interested in such things will just have to turn to Expedition Portal.

Incidentally, I hear rumors that the next Tundra will have a Powerwagonesque option including big (like really big) tires and a lift. We'll see . . .

[Wanderlusty]

Chris. . .

If you are even THINKING of turning BAJATACO into BAJAFJC. . .I am calling DIBS on the TACO!!!

For me, what you are willing to sacrifice (sleeping for 2 inside) is what I am wanting to gain. Heck, at that, I have a nice fairly low miles Wrangler on 33's if you REALLY want a change of pace!

Personally, I find the FJC intriguing, but kind of like riverguide said. . .the window configuration is odd. Could use a removable top . . . though as for the front IFS vs. Solid. . .you made a good point that for light expedition, the IFS is pretty decent. A solid axle WOULD be nice, though.

I love this country, but am frustrated by what popular flavors, corporate perception and gov't regs keep off of our shores. . . oh well.

[BajaTaco]

Thanks guys ;)





...oh, and sorry, but I think the new FJ is uglier than a bowling shoe! :smilies27

:xxrotflma

Fatman, I appreciate your offer! However... I plan to utilize the BajaTaco until I no longer trust it on long trips. And if Jonathans FJ40 is any indication of that potential, it could take a very long time to reach that point. Having said that, I am still keeping a watchful eye on the emerging 4wd market, as there is the possibility that I may do another expedition vehicle project before the BajaTaco expires.

[flyingwil]

I personally like it. I agree with many point Chris made in the first post. Based up what Scott wrote about talking to Mark, the project manager of the FJ Cruiser. Scott Wrote (http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/SEMA_05/toyota/FJ_Cruiser/fj_cruiser_detail.htm):




Update 11/3

I had the chance to talk with Mark, the project manager of the FJ Cruiser. Here are a few quick details:

No mass marketing. Mostly on the trail promotion, Moab, the Rubicon, etc.
Over 60 companies showed up for the measuring session. Bumpers, suspension, etc. will be available.
They are shooting (not confirmed) for a factory trail package which will include 33" tires, special gearing and additional protection
The designed the truck to support aftermarket equipment installation, including looms to the GPS pocket, rack for light, channels in the frame, etc.
A 6-speed manual will be available with a full time transfer case. It will have a center differential lock.
January production start, in dealers in March. Pricing will be set in late December to allow for dealer pre-ordering.


Also Based on photos from 4WD Toyota Owner Magazine http://www.4wdtoyotaowner.com/FJCruiser.html

http://www.4wdtoyotaowner.com/images/FJRubicon1.jpg
http://www.4wdtoyotaowner.com/images/FJRubicon2.jpg

All photos from 4WD Toyota Owner Magazine ( http://www.4wdtoyotaowner.com/FJCruiser.html ) it seems like what Scott was told seems true.

I think many of the options seem to be from input of curent 4WD toyota owners. Seems pretty reasonable to me and quite capable right out the door of the factory. (Speaking of does anyone know what plant will be building these?)

Also it looks like Toyota is setting up for the aftermarket crowd as well based upon the pics from SEMA. ARB, DR, and who knows who esle, all seem to be involved in this FJ, meaning aftermarket upgrades soon after vehicle delivery. I think that is also a plus, I watched many '05 Taco owners struggle with Tire/Wheel selection to Coilover modifications over on the TTORA board, Most had to sit around and wait, where it looks like the FJ, you should be able to time them all to arrive with in the same week.

Plus for the price, it seems great (if they Keep that Price) for what you get out the door. Aside from the payload issue, seems like a pretty good base to start up on IMO.

WIL

[Wanderlusty]

Fatman, I appreciate your offer! However... I plan to utilize the BajaTaco until I no longer trust it on long trips. And if Jonathans FJ40 is any indication of that potential, it could take a very long time to reach that point. Having said that, I am still keeping a watchful eye on the emerging 4wd market, as there is the possibility that I may do another expedition vehicle project before the BajaTaco expires.

Somehow I kinda figured that would be the case!

Really though, with some doing, I think I can make the Wrangler a pretty decent vehicle. Because of it's size, I think that some concessions will have to be made on my part. I may have to tug a trailer along in the long run.

What I am running into now is that when I bought it, it was just the wife and I, but with a kid on the way, while I don't plan on dragging them into the outback as an infant, I remember travelling early and often when I was little, and plan on returning the favor by taking MY child along. So if I take the kid along, then the interior storage in the Wrangler becomes practically nonexistant.

Trailers and roof racks should do the trick, but I was hoping to keep it more compact than that. . .then again, I don't really know if travelling with 3 or more CAN be done compactly. . .

OBTW. . . to bring it back on topic. . . the FJC looks really intriguing, aside from the wierd window config.

[Scott Brady]

I am going to have a chance to drive one (and maybe even the Mega-Cruiser) in CA early next year.

The FJ Cruiser has a few really important things going for it:

1. Toyota reliability
2. Simple, functional interior
3. Immediate aftermarket support
4. Great motor
5. 6-speed manual option
6. Plans for an off-road package, with 33's, etc.
7. Strong roof for mounting tents, etc.
8. An excellent driving position and ergonomics. It feels very open from the drivers seat.

[dejablu311]

I am no fan of the vehicle in stock form but i have to say, the SEMA version looked great. I sat in it as well and like scott said i could see myself driving it for days at a time. To me, the biggest problem for choosing this vehicle for long excusions would be the sleeping arrangements. The only real option is putting a tent on the roof. While the roof maybe strong enough it would seem to be alot of weight up top for a short wheelbase vehicle. Not to mention 1000lbs is not much to work with.

[datrupr]

You know, I could see myself in one, but it also has that "cute" factor that the women like. thus, if I got one I could see my wife commandeering it before I had the chance to enjoy it. :D

[BajaTaco]

... To me, the biggest problem for choosing this vehicle for long excusions would be the sleeping arrangements. The only real option is putting a tent on the roof. While the roof maybe strong enough it would seem to be alot of weight up top for a short wheelbase vehicle. Not to mention 1000lbs is not much to work with.

Yep. You are thinking along the same lines as I am. Those are definitely two major considerations for me, and could ultimately result in my choice of the Tacoma (again) much like I chose the Tacoma over the 4Runner last time.

[MaddBaggins]

I see a lot of gripes about sleeping arrangements. Doesn't anybody toss a tent on the ground anymore? I'm sure if I tried I could sleep in my LC, but I have tents for that.
The SEMA version looks pretty sweet, I wouldn't mind having one, but not if it becomes the next H2 and everyone is driving one.

[BajaTaco]

I see a lot of gripes about sleeping arrangements. Doesn't anybody toss a tent on the ground anymore?

I do when I am backpacking. Pitching a tent on the ground every night on a long trip gets old in a hurry. Not to mention if it is wet, stormy, or windy it becomes even more of a pain in the butt. The point of sleeping in a hard-sided enclosure (camper or wagon) is that it is super efficient as far as time and hassle goes, and is impervious to storms and keeps everything dry. It really is worth the extra planning of the vehicle IMO.

[MaddBaggins]

I can see your point, but I set my tent up no matter the weather and how tired I might be when I backpack, so it just seems like the natural thing for me to do when I am in my LC also. I would prolly take me more time to unload stuff and make a sleeping place than it would to pitch my tent, even in the rain.
I've never tried sleeping in my LC, though, you devils just might convert me. :D

[Scott Brady]

I have slept in roof tents, ground tents, trailers and under the stars.

My favorite is on a cot under the stars. It takes me about 2 minutes to set up camp and I am done.

The roof tent is the best so far for convenience and comfort. Just a few minutes and you have a great place to sleep.

[Jonathan Hanson]

Scott, I agree that sleeping under the stars is best. I also agree that when the weather turns bad, you want the fastest and most secure shelter possible. Our (sadly former) Four-Wheel Pop-up camper was superb at this: two minutes and you had a standing-height home with a queen bed, impervious to any weather that wouldn't tip over the truck. A well-mounted roof tent is just as quck, if not quite so spacious.

Interestingly, with the load deck I installed in my FJ40, which creates a platform the width of the vehicle, I can just lie down inside diagonally, in case of a sudden blizzard or something.

[Life_in_4Lo]

Chris,
Nice synopsis on the FJC. From the underside, it has more in common w/ the 4Runner than the Tacoma.

I bet the chassis is the Prado 3 door- almost certainly.

I have done 6 lifts on this platform now and can do it in my sleep- but it still is a long day and it isn't fun.
Knowing this, I can't get over the fact it is basically a 4Runner with less room.
I like the style, the attention to offroading and the enthusiasm with which Toyota has embraced it.

I guess I mean to say "I'm over it". It's cool and all - I have the same engine, same suspension, seats, and done all the easy to moderate mods.

But think of this- For $28K you can have a iForce V8, fulltime 4WD w/ nearly 2 feet more room and same offroad capability w/same mods. The V8 4Runner.
On top of that, more comfort, luxury and the other advantages of a longer wb and more interior space--which is at premium on anything more than a day trip.

A SWB wagon=rockcrawler/tight trails. That equals SFA.

This IFS is very good. Dana 44 equiv strength, good CV angles w/ 3" lift, 8" diff (unclear if the FJC will use the V6 diff or the V8 front diff), proven chassis from the Prado.

I know it will wheel very well but for this type of work SFA is king and everyone knows it. I understand the compromise tho- if I were Toyota, I would do the same (well not really but you have to be realistic about the market). Realistically, that era is gone for Toyota wagons.

Again, the style and everything that comes w/ it is really cool. I really dig it. I love that Toyota is into this market and say kudos for sure.

If it were at least open top like the 40, it could be more seperate from the truck lineup. However, buying new= it would be hard to invest alot of mod money based on just style. The V8 4Runner stands out even more as the real bargain wheeling wagon to me.

[BajaTaco]

From the underside, it has more in common w/ the 4Runner than the Tacoma.

I bet the chassis is the Prado 3 door- almost certainly.




Excellent points. I was speculating that that might be the case, but I haven't been under the newest 4Runner, so I was going off the written specs alone. Thanks for bringing this perspective to the conversation, especially since you have completed suspension lifts on six 4runners. (hats off to you!)





But think of this- For $28K you can have a iForce V8, fulltime 4WD w/ nearly 2 feet more room and same offroad capability w/same mods. The V8 4Runner.
On top of that, more comfort, luxury and the other advantages of a longer wb and more interior space--which is at premium on anything more than a day trip.

You make a very good point here as well. Not to mention the available payload for the 4runner is substantially more - 260 to 475 lbs. more, depending on the configuration.

A key difference (and consideration) would be that overall, the FJ is a smaller and lighter wagon. This could equate to a slight edge on trail performance and likely a definite edge considering traction alone. Obviously, this appeals to people who like to tackle much more technical trail scenarios. I would agree with you though, that for expedition work, the 4runner is likely a better choice due to the V8 option, and the larger payload and cargo ratings. I think what will bring the FJC up to a level playing field with the 4Runner is quite simply - it's style.

[Life_in_4Lo]

I agree- style is no small consideration in buying a car. The FJC has it in spades, I think it's really cool.

IMO, the only edge the FJC has is the shorter wheelbase. That is a double edged sword since it will sacrifice comfort and be less stable in other areas where longer wb do better.

The V6 4Runner (same engine, tied to a 5spd auto) is also in the mix as a worthy considration. Since the Prado, Taco, 4R and FJC share the same 4.0L V6 it is a proven performer. It has some idyosyncrasies but alot of good features- oil filter on top, timing chain, vvti, easy access to plugs. It seems to be a robust engine and I like it alot.

Overall I am really glad it's out and hope it leads to a improvement in the bloodline up the food chain. Just personally, I'm over it is all. Still looking fwd to seeing all the excited new owners on the trail tho! that will just be more fun for everyone.

[BajaTaco]

Hmmm...


:D

[flyingwil]

:smileeek: Where did you find that? I wonder how the payload is affected by that camper?


Hmmm...


:D

[Wanderlusty]

:smileeek: Where did you find that? I wonder how the payload is affected by that camper?

It's a photoshop, but a REALLY AWESOME IDEA!

BAJA. . . your gears are always turning. I can learn a lot just by standing back and watching you come up with ideas!

[Wanderlusty]

Heres more:

http://www.rollavan.com.au/default.asp

Really neat setup. BT, are they distributed in the states?

[Scott Brady]

Baja,

Now that my truck is (mostly) done, we need a project for 06... Lets do it!

[BajaTaco]

Oh geez, don't tempt me! :p

FM, no I think they are strictly an Australian conversion specialist. But it would be fun to build something like that, wouldn't it?

[Wanderlusty]

FM, no I think they are strictly an Australian conversion specialist. But it would be fun to build something like that, wouldn't it?

I would love to find a way someday to stretch the wheelbase on the TJ and find (or build) something like that for it.

I don't know how feasable it would actually be. Plus I am crossing my fingers that they DO build the Gladiator truck. I think that I could really build a sweet setup off of that platform.

Too bad nobody makes something like that in the US. Not that it would sell all that well in the land of "Bigger is Better." :mad:

[Life_in_4Lo]

I would love to find a way someday to stretch the wheelbase on the TJ and find (or build) something like that for it.

I don't know how feasable it would actually be. Plus I am crossing my fingers that they DO build the Gladiator truck. I think that I could really build a sweet setup off of that platform.

Too bad nobody makes something like that in the US. Not that it would sell all that well in the land of "Bigger is Better." :mad:

Isn't the Unlimited a stretched TJ?

I really like the looks of the upcoming Jeep KJ suv and I love the pickup (Gladiator). I would love to drive an old-school looking pu w/ the tire on the side.

[Wanderlusty]

Isn't the Unlimited a stretched TJ?

I really like the looks of the upcoming Jeep KJ suv and I love the pickup (Gladiator). I would love to drive an old-school looking pu w/ the tire on the side.


Yep, it is, and I dig the Unlimiteds, but I bought my TJ used, for A LOT less than the Unlimiteds cost. I woulda liked one, but they are out of my price range for right now.

And if they DO put out the Gladiator, THAT would become my first choice. And it would be right about the time that the TJ would be paid off, if they get moving on it. . .

[flyingwil]

Nice Article on the FJ for your reading pleasure...
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023691&src=LP%20utes

Preview: 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser by Perry Stern

Toyota builds a new SUV with strong ties to the past and true off-road capability.

Ask U.S. consumers what they think of when they hear the name Toyota, and most likely their answers would be about a maker of mainstream passenger vehicles such as the Camry or Corolla, as well as the Japan-based company's ever-increasing popularity as a maker of "green" hybrid vehicles such as the Prius.

Looming not so largely in the public's perception are Toyota's full-size SUVs, such as the Sequoia and their top-of-the-line Land Cruiser, which has been sold throughout the world since the 1960s. Toyota plans on shaking perceptions up a bit with its all-new FJ Cruiser—a retro-styled SUV built specifically for the true off-roader, with enough everyday practicality and panache to appeal to those who will never go near a mountainous forest road or an ORV park


The FJ Cruiser started out as a concept vehicle first shown at the 2003 North American International Auto Show in Detroit. Two years later, at the Chicago Auto Show, Toyota unveiled the final production version of the FJ, citing overwhelming response to the original concept vehicle. Designed at Calty Design Research in Newport Beach, Calif., the production FJ Cruiser remains extremely close to the concept.
True to its Roots
Although the FJ Cruiser has its own unique look, the styling and capability of this new off-roader are inspired by the FJ40 Land Cruiser that the automaker sold in 1960. The FJ had been introduced earlier as the FJ25, but the introduction of the 40 Series was a major leap in design for the Land Cruiser. As a result, from 1961 to 1965 the FJ40 was Toyota's best-selling vehicle.

The FJ40 later evolved into the 55 Series, which added more comfort and space. Advancements in the design and engineering continued through a number of Series—eventually reaching to the 100 Series, which is the designation for the Land Cruiser currently sold in the U.S. A 120 Series is sold in some markets as the Prado, and in the U.S. under the Lexus brand as the GX 470. The new FJ Cruiser sits atop the 120 Series platform.

Company officials say the FJ Cruiser has a rightful place in the Toyota SUV lineup. Its flat roof, wraparound rear glass, round headlights, mesh grille, wide hood, vertical windshield and short overhangs are all styling cues taken directly from the FJ40.

In addition to its unique look, the FJ possesses some standout features. For example, three windshield wiper blades provide maximum coverage of the windscreen. A unique door system makes passenger and cargo loading much easier. On each side of the vehicle, a large front door latches to a rear-hinged rear-access door, eliminating the pillar between the two—similar to the Honda Element.

"The FJ Cruiser effectively fills a gap in the Toyota lineup that was once our core heritage—capable, affordable and durable vehicles that are youthful, fun to drive, aggressive and tough," said Mark Amstock, national manager of trucks and sport-utility vehicles for the Toyota division. "The FJ Cruiser will deliver true off-road ruggedness, image and performance at an affordable price, making it highly accessible and desirable to a large volume of young buyers."

Although pricing has not been announced, Toyota officials hinted the FJ Cruiser will be in the mid-$20,000 range.

Other available accessories include auxiliary driving lights, rock rails, a roof rack, a brush guard, taillight guards, a sport exhaust system, a receiver hitch and harness, and a wind deflector with off-road lights.

Practical Interior
The original FJ40 Land Cruiser was highly capable off-road, often used as an exploration or expedition vehicle in developing countries. However, it was not exactly built for comfort, or with the capacity to haul large amounts of cargo.

The new FJ Cruiser does not suffer from these shortcomings. Although not luxurious, the interior earns points for practicality. Front seats provide plenty of support, and the driver's seat can be adjusted eight ways. All seats are covered with a fabric backed with a special breathable resin coating, making them water repellant and easy to clean. The FJ Cruiser seats five, including a surprisingly roomy rear seat.


Switches and knobs are large enough to be operated with gloves on. Floors are covered with a rubber-like material, and the roomy cargo area has a hard surface that levels with the backs of the rear seats when they are folded flat.

Although the new FJ borrows much its styling from the 1960s FJ40, this thoroughly modern vehicle has the latest safety features. Front airbags are standard; side-curtain and front side-impact airbags are available options. And like other Toyotas, this one is full of the latest safety acronyms: VSC (Vehicle Stability Control), TRAC (Traction Control), ABS (Anti-lock Brakes), EBD (Electronic Brake Force Distribution) and Brake Assist (no acronym here).


Thoroughly Capable
Although Toyota will market the new FJ as a capable off-road vehicle with four-wheel drive, it will be available with two-wheel drive as well. Toyota told journalists they expect only around five percent of the mix to be 2WD, but these FJs will still be equipped with what the automaker refers to as a "virtual automatic limited-slip differential," made possible using their advanced traction-control system to limit slip at both rear wheels. An electronic rear-locking differential will also be available.

Both 2WD and 4WD FJ Cruisers are equipped with 32-inch mud & snow rated tires. Amstock told MSN Autos he expects a more aggressive tire package may be available in the future. Tires are fitted to 17-inch steel wheels or optional alloys.

With an impressive 8.7 inches of wheel travel in front and 9.1 inches in the rear, the FJ Cruiser has ground clearance of 9.6 inches (8.7 inches for 2WD). For comparison, the Hummer H2 clears the ground by just 0.3 inches more. Approach angle for the FJ Cruiser is 34 degrees, departure angle is 30 degrees, and the FJ can traverse up to 27.5 inches of water.

Powering the FJ is Toyota's 4.0-liter V6 engine producing 239 horsepower and 278 lb-ft of torque. The V6 can be teamed with either a 5-speed automatic or 6-speed manual transmission. During our press drive we spent most of the time in a 6-speed manual FJ and found it to shift very smoothly—more car-like than truck-like. Clutch engagement was very predictable, which was helpful when trying to maneuver over a couple of extremely large rocks.

The full-time 4WD system in the manual-equipped FJ Cruiser is the same system found in the 4Runner. It features a Torsen limited-slip center differential with a locking feature and distributes the engine's power 40/60 percent front/rear in most driving conditions. It changes this distribution percentage as needed, based on steering angle and wheel slip. When locked it distributes power, front to rear, on a 50/50 basis. FJs with an automatic transmission get a part-time transfer case.

Driving Impressions
The FJ Cruiser looks ready to tackle the toughest off-road situations, so it was a pleasant surprise to discover that it also drives well on pavement. Even with a curb weight in excess of two tons, the FJ handles well and feels quite maneuverable. Visibility is somewhat impaired by the wide pillar behind the rear door.

Although we didn't have a chance to try any extreme off-roading during our press drive, we did take the FJ off-pavement for a little while along the San Andreas Fault near Palm Springs, CA. The V6 provides plenty of power, and the Cruiser's maneuverability showed its colors as we negotiated some very narrow passages. When we had to climb rather steep ridges the FJ never faltered, attacking any angle with aplomb.

At one point we encountered some larger rocks that exceeded our ground clearance, hitting them hard in our first effort to get over them. After backing up and attempting the route again, we made it over just fine. When we stopped to "sanity check" the underside of the FJ, we were glad to see no telltale pool of oil in the San Andreas dirt—the FJ's skidplates did their duty.

Given the FJ's specs and solid, stable driving characteristics, there's no reason to doubt the Cruiser's ability to keep up with current SUVs geared for true off-road use, from Jeep, Hummer or even Land Rover. And, according to Toyota, it should be priced below the competition.

Toyota plans to build fewer than 50,000 FJ Cruisers in the first year. The new SUV goes on sale in March as a 2007 model. Production might be increased if demand is high; however, the FJ has to compete with it's own siblings— the Tacoma and Tundra pickups—for the 4.0-liter V6 engines. Considering the FJ Cruiser's practicality, striking looks and novel features, Toyota just might find itself with a capacity dilemma in 2006—not the worst problem an automaker could have.

I think it is interesting that it has 3 windsheild wipers:
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c458507a.jpg

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c458509a.jpg

Looks like Factory sliders on this one:
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c458511a.jpg

Nice off road shots... Yellow one in the background is an interesting color option:
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c458512a.jpg

[BajaTaco]

I still want one :)

The next issue of 4WD Toyota Owner will have some extensive pics and material on the FJ Cruiser - over 10 pages, with 4 driver's reports and 23 photos.

:jumping:

[Scenic WonderRunner]

I love it!

But I wish they offered it in White.

One thing I would really miss though.........is a tailgate!

It kinda looks Kewl hanging out in the desert!

http://z.about.com/d/trucks/1/0/s/T/fj_cruiser_review_5.jpg


http://z.about.com/d/trucks/1/0/o/T/fj_cruiser_review_1.jpg

[BajaTaco]

If you haven't been to the FJ Cruiser section of Toyota.com lately, you should check it out. It has lots of new pics and vids of the FJ at SEMA, Big Bear CA, and the Rubicon. The videos are really cool. Also check out the "FJ Build" flash where you can do a build-out based on options - very nice.

Go HERE (http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/index.html?s_van=GM_TN_FUTURE) to visit the site.

[datrupr]

Chris, I saw the videos a couple of weks ago on the website, but I did not find the build it feature, that is really cool, you can get "factory" sliders and a Garmin GPS unit as options. I really really want one now. No, I have to figure out how I would pay for one. If I can get that figured out there will be one in my driveway.:D

[Westy]

The article in 4wd Toyota Owner is impressive...good action shots and first hand reviews.

The FJ will give the TJ a run for its money both on the trail and in sales I believe. It is priced VERY competitvely, especially considering all the interior amenities compared to a TJ. TJ's are great vehicles, but I've always thought they were overpriced for what is offered, bare bones vehicles.

Still wish solid front axle was at least an option! Oh well...you cant have it all I guess.

I'm sure it wont be long until you see FJ SAS projects...

Edit - What diff is under the front? Is it the same as under an 05 Tacoma?
I wonder how long it will be until ARB has lockers out for it???

[Ursidae69]

If you haven't been to the FJ Cruiser section of Toyota.com lately, you should check it out. It has lots of new pics and vids of the FJ at SEMA, Big Bear CA, and the Rubicon. The videos are really cool. Also check out the "FJ Build" flash where you can do a build-out based on options - very nice.

Go HERE (http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/index.html?s_van=GM_TN_FUTURE) to visit the site.


Chris, thanks for that link. I read the report on the Rubicon and looked at the pictures. Extremely impressive. I attached one picture that really amazed me too. I'm wondering if I should stop modding my taco and wait and buy one of these FJs. :bowdown:

[Westy]

That picture is impressive to say the least...

Where are the Cruisers going to be manufactured? Japan?

[datrupr]

They are buing built here in the U.S. at the same plant they build the Tacomas.

[BajaTaco]

From what that build-site said, the automatics will have part-time 4wd with a front diff just like the Tacoma (I think ARB is already making/has made a locker for it? I know there is a front locker in the Maya Hunter 05 Taco). It says the manuals will have full-time 4wd - so no front locker, but a center diff lock.

I thought these were built in Japan. Aaron, are sure about the US mfg?

By the looks of the trees in that pic, I think the camera is tilted a little bit ;) but the pics and vids are impressive none-the-less. This thing looks very capable in stock form. NICE.

[Westy]

They are buing built here in the U.S. at the same plant they build the Tacomas.

Thanks. Thats good news.

Speaking of the Tacomas, I hear they are moving production down to Tijuana, at an old GM plant?? Is this true?

[datrupr]

Chris, I am not totally sure about the US mfg, but if I recall correctly, I remember reading that they were to be built here in the US. It was designed at thier design facility in CA, and that usually means that it will be built in the US. It will more than likely be a North America model only if that is the case. I might have to go back and research some of the articles I have read on it to verify my facts. But, having said that, the motor and a lot of the drivetrain components are shared with the Tacoma, and they are North America only units that are not shared with thier Asian counterparts. The 4.0 motor is built in the U.S. and not shared with Japanese built units. Now, I could again be wrong about this and I will have to go back and look at the articles again. I will get back on to everyone on this, as I do not mean to be misleading.

[Westy]

From what that build-site said, the automatics will have part-time 4wd with a front diff just like the Tacoma (I think ARB is already making/has made a locker for it? I know there is a front locker in the Maya Hunter 05 Taco). It says the manuals will have full-time 4wd - so no front locker, but a center diff lock.

I thought these were built in Japan. Aaron, are sure about the US mfg?

By the looks of the trees in that pic, I think the camera is tilted a little bit ;) but the pics and vids are impressive none-the-less. This thing looks very capable in stock form. NICE.

At second glance I too noticed the trees are definitely not standing straight up.
Someone was trying to fool us.
Definitely going to be a another capable Toyota for sure.

[datrupr]

OK, I was wrong..... Shame on me. The FJ Cruiser is built in Japan as it is stated in this (http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=21364)review. Man, it took me forever to find this article too. Ok, you can all slap me on the hand for feeding you incorrect information. But please note the correction. And I still really really want one.

[Westy]

thanks for the update.

Seems the vehicles such as the 4runner and current Cruisers made in Japan are of slightly better grade anyways...so thats good news as far as I understand.

Brian

[Scenic WonderRunner]

2006 Detroit Auto Show~Toyota FJ Cruiser Pics.......

http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/toyota/fjcruiser/images/05.jpg


http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/toyota/fjcruiser/images/04.jpg


http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/toyota/fjcruiser/images/07.jpg

.....see the silver one with white top to the left of this rear shot?:shakin:
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[BajaTaco]

;) Thanks for linking the pics!

[Z O O R O P A]

I can not wait to trade my 2004 Rover in on an FJ cruiser, I was ecstatic to find this website and all the pics. Far mroe friendly forums too than any rover site I ahve been to. Keep up the great work peoples!

[Desertdude]

I enjoyed that conversation around the campfire at Bahia De Los Angels - the idea of long throw racing shocks under the FJ

Build an FJ here (http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yourlife/fjcruiser/index.html?s_van=GM_FJ_MINISITE_YLD_FJ)

[DaktariEd]

Very cool Build Your Own FJ Cruiser site! (Thanks, Dude!)
I didn't really like the vehicle at first, but it kind of grows on you...
Something to think about when my Sequoia needs to be turned out to pasture.
:D

Ed

[BajaTaco]

I enjoyed that conversation around the campfire at Bahia De Los Angels - the idea of long throw racing shocks under the FJ

Hehehe! That was fun! I took my psychotic ramblings a little further last week, and crawled all over three FJ Crusiers at the Off-Road Impact show. I will have to post some pics. Scott and I talked to a very nice guy from Toyota and got some more details. I did in fact verify that there will be enough room in one of those for Sharon and I to sleep inside with the rear door closed. (Which means you and Kristina would fit too!) They had one of them propped up with a wheel removed to get a good look at the front suspension. This already has long travel made for it, as we speak (via the Tacoma and 4Runner) 13" if you want it! The rear would be fun too, since it is coil sprung, you could do some long links, beef up the axle housing, and do some sweet bypass shocks up through the wheel wells. :p With the short wheelbase, it might be a bit squirrely, but it sure would be fun.

[Desertdude]

Oh man I want one and I don't even know completely why :sport_box

Sleeping inside was one of the first marketing talk that was of interest to me.

Damn I will need a 4 stall garage now :sport_box

note to self: don't sell your Taco or FJ40 - you will miss it ;)

[BajaTaco]

Oh man I want one and I don't even know completely why :sport_box

Hey, you are not alone. It seems a lot of people seem to impart that kind of puzzlement, myself included! I think it is just because it is something kind of off-the-wall and fun that lures us to it. :jumping:



Sleeping inside was one of the first marketing talk that was of interest to me.

Me too. Oh, by the way, another thing I was greatly concerned about was room for an auxiliary fuel tank. I verified (got pics) that there is a bunch of room right behind the rear axle spanning between the frame rails :cool:





note to self: don't sell your Taco or FJ40 - you will miss it ;)

I AGREE :)

[cshontz]

I also have some pics from Off-Road Expo from a coworker, although I apologize for the poor quality. I'm going to definately consider this when its time to replace the Forester in a few years.

http://www.ok4wd.com/write/albums/offroadexpo2006/images/offroad_005.jpg

http://www.ok4wd.com/write/albums/offroadexpo2006/images/offroad_006.jpg

http://www.ok4wd.com/write/albums/offroadexpo2006/images/offroad_040.jpg

http://www.ok4wd.com/write/albums/offroadexpo2006/images/offroad_077.jpg

Hopefully, you guys have better pics. Lets see 'em!

:jump:

[Desertdude]

Next important question - What color to order - I would pick White - but did not see it on that cool build page - If not white I guess I would pick the titanium - ???? all the colors are somewhat interesting - maybe i should break out of the norm :sport_box

[kcowyo]

No white available, Dude.

I think the silver is a little bland, the yellow is too obnoxious, the blue isn't bad and I really like the black cherry.

Perhaps order the silver and turn it over to PaintDude for a custom white paint job? ;)

I'm in the minority, but I think you should sell your FJ40..........to me:jumping:

[Desertdude]

I'm in the minority, but I think you should sell your FJ40..........to me

Hmmm not quite yet - I nee to dump another 8K into it before it is finally finished

The Black Cherry does look cool in a street pimp kinda way :Wow1:

I dunno - maybe I just give in and get Blue all the way :xxrotflma

[CLynn85]

I wish they had that hunter green color that they had at sema, that was by far my favorite. The blue's not bad, kinda like the grabber blue of the 60's, I'd probably go with the titanium, just cause it'd show scratches and dirt the least.

Can't wait til these start showing up in the dealerships, gotta feeling it'll be hard to choose between the FJ cruiser and the new LWB Jeep.

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Now who was that .....that was dissing SILVER>?!!!!!!! .....hehe

....ya....I too, do not understand why they don't offer it in white.

[Desertdude]

looks like the FJ is rolling out on US territory

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=81894

[Scenic WonderRunner]

This eBay listing by a Toyota Dealer.....is claiming to be the very first 2007 FJ offered on eBay!

2007 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/The-First-FJ-Cruiser-Available-on-eBay_W0QQitemZ4618815787QQcategoryZ6443QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem)
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.....hehe......always wanted to use that popcorn thingy!;)

[CLynn85]

This is your chance to be the first to own the 2007 FJ Cruiser. The FJ Cruiser is in very High Demand and are being presold prior to arriving to the dealership. There will be a $2500 (non-refundable)Down Payment to secure your 2007 FJ Cruiser. Due to hit ground at our dealership on March 31st. Market Value $37500.00

:Wow1: :Wow1: :Wow1: :Wow1: :Wow1: I HATE Dealer Markup! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Brian McVickers]

More info:wavey:

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2006/03/20/daily20.html?f=et73&hbx=e_du

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Just spotted this ad on Craigslist from my local (small town)Toyota Dealer.

Just might have to go sit in one in the morning!

I love his comment!........"The WONDER of the new FJ".......! ......hehe






http://sandiego.craigslist.org/car/144312842.html

JUST ARRIVED 2007 FJ CRUISERS

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Reply to: sale-144312842@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-03-22, 3:04PM PST


New 2007 Toyota FJ Cruisers at MSRP NO DEALER MARK UP 2 x black 1 x silver 1 x blue Give me a call at 858 349 3736 cell these will go quick be one of the first to have the wonder of the new FJ


This item has been posted by-dealer.

this is in or around Poway

no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

[jeffryscott]

Saw some sitting on the transport today at Desert Toyota in Tucson (22nd and Kolb). At least three were on the top deck .... I'll have make a trip by there soon to ogle.

Jeff

[datrupr]

I saw a couple being off loaded at Bell Toyota in Phoenix the other day. I bet they are already sold though. I am going to let the frenzy die down, and then I will go check one out.

[erin]

:jumping:
Precision Toyota of Tucson finally has one in yellow. Not fully equipped, but very nice none the less. I actually liked it more in person that the pics I have seen. Definitely has a lot of potential. The only problem was the price:$30,000, or so. Definitely not the $22,500 I see advertised by Toyota, but that could be a 2wd price also.

[CLynn85]

Saw one at the yota dealer in town in yellow but didn't have time to stop on my way south. Also passed another yellow one going north on 81. Can't say I'm too much of a fan of the yellow right now.

[The Swiss]

OMG, what did I do? I just put money down on a 2007 FJ Cruiser. Should be arriving at the dealer in the next days

... I did not yet had the opportunity to sit in one or to drive one. If I end up not liking it, I always can use the downpayment on a Tacoma.

[Scott Brady]

OMG, what did I do? I just put money down on a 2007 FJ Cruiser. Should be arriving at the dealer in the next days

... I did not yet had the opportunity to sit in one or to drive one. If I end up not liking it, I always can use the downpayment on a Tacoma.

:Wow1:

:exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim:

:lurk:

[justfred]

Hello all.

First post. I suppose I'll introduce myself later, but here's mr review of the FJ Cruiser FWIW. I was a very active member of the forum www.fjcruiserforums.com until.
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Hi, I'm justfred and I'm a long-term Rover addict. ("Hi, Fred!") I
started with a 1970 88" which I fully restored then sold because it
was too small; went through a magazine-star 109 with a Chevy 6, and a
wonderful RHD beater 109 from South Africa. In the process of trying
to get a 101, I stumbled across the Pinzgauer, and now I own one, and
its little brother the Haflinger.

Day before yesterday I said goodby to my faithful 1997 Disco I, with
180,000 hard miles. The guy who bought it for his wife and her kids
doesn't deserve it and never plans to take it offroad, but he did pay
cash.

That night I got a call from the dealer and went to test drive -
don't hate me - the new Toyota FJ Cruiser. I saw it at the auto show,
and put a deposit down, and have been really active on their forum
( http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/ ). I once wanted to be an
automotive designer, and this thing looks really great. I predict
they'll sell a fair amount of them before the product liability
lawsuit hits. But I'm getting ahead of myself. My salesdude was
annoying as hell, and I didn't get to drive the truck, only sit in
it, inside their parking structure. Long story short, I hated it. The
visibility was awful, nearly as bad as the H3 (I tried even though I
knew I couldn't stand it). The front window is WAY out front, and
though the hood is short you still can't see where it ends, and the
brow is even lower than the DI, you'll have to bend down to see
traffic lights. The side windows are tiny (I was used to a Disco,
after all), the rear quarter viz is blocked by a huge unnecessary C-
pillar, and the rear viz isn't there at all. You can't see the road -
or worse, the off-road around you. You need a camera (that's not
there) to back up or parallel park. The thing is literally an
accident waiting to happen. If you see one on the road, take a good
look from two lanes over, and stay out of the blind spot which is
pretty much the entire area around the vehicle.

Then there's the back doors. I have a lot of gear and my finace is a
costumer so she has even more gear. The back doors in the FJ won't
open unless the front doors are open, like the Element. And even then
the front seat doesn't tilt forward, and the rear passenger area
feels exactly like you're in the back of a Cessna. A nice new shiny
Cessna, but.

Offroad, the FJ will probably be awesome and we'll have some
explaining to do how our Rovers are still superior. This will be
easier when we're tow-strapping them out when they drive into ditches
that they didn't see were there. And the truck really does look
great, really chunky and hearty, not at all Jeep-like. The "bling" is
optional - they have factory rock rails and roof rack that aren't
bad, and the towing cap is around that of the Disco, in fact the 4L
V6 is probably as powerful as the Disco's V8, and gets a lot better
mileage (17-20ish). There's a lot of features aimed at the 4WD
market, you'll be seeing a lot of them until the accident reports
start rolling in.

So, back to the internet. My other choices were a Freelander SE3, or
a VW Touareg. Two of the very worst vehicles on the road as far as
Consumer Reports Reliability Index goes. There was a VWT I liked, but
it was $35K used. Found a dealer here in LA with a new FLSE3 (two,
actually!) for cheap, so I went down to check it out. It still
doesn't fit me. I'm 6' (~250lbs stocky) and I bang my head getting in
and out, and if I lean forward or to the side while in the driver's
seat. I like the truck other than that and the hangdown rear muffler,
which is replaceable. But if I can't sit in it...

But, in the showroom they had a 2002 Disco II "Borrego Edition" with
35K on the clock and the certified warranty for a good price, a lot
less than I was going to pay for the FJ. If all goes well I'll pick
it up tonight. I haven't been able to find "Borrego Edition" on the
net but it's yellow with a black bonnet glareshield, rock rails,
ladder but no roof rack, tow package, light protectors, leather/
technical fabric. I'm adding meaty floor mats, maybe eventually a
roof rack.

[Scenic WonderRunner]

OMG, what did I do? I just put money down on a 2007 FJ Cruiser. Should be arriving at the dealer in the next days

... I did not yet had the opportunity to sit in one or to drive one. If I end up not liking it, I always can use the downpayment on a Tacoma.

You got the BUG....Dude!

Better warm up your credit card!......LOL:elkgrin:

Here are my detailed pics of my first meeting with the new cousin!.....so you can ponder your decision.

I think you will have tons of fun with it!:ylsmoke:

Toyota 2007 FJ Cruiser........First Touch! (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/totallytropical1/album?.dir=3409&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos)
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[Scott Brady]

Welcome to the forum and congrats on the DII purchase. How are you planning to address the lack of CDL? (I am a prior DII owner).

Thanks for your thoughts and comments on the FJ. I think that the vehicle will work very well for those looking for off-road capability, a compact structure and unique styling.

Just wait until some of the heavily modified ones come out. I have seen the CAD design reviews for a few, and LOOK out, they are sweet. Expect to see one on 39" Iroks in a magazine soon ;)

[BajaTaco]

Swiss, congrats!!!!!!! :clapsmile

Fred, welcome to the forum. I have noticed quite a few similar complaints about the lack of visibility. I imagine if you are used to lots of windows around the vehicle you drive, the lack of immediate visibility in the rear-view mirror is uncomfortable. But I honestly don't think it is really going to present any type of unusual safety liability. It's like any other vehicle that utilizes side mirrors and can be done safely and succesfully. Anyone who drives a panel van, cargo van, commercial vehicle, etc. can negotiate the streets safely with the use of side mirrors augmented with fish-eye auxiliary mirrors. I think the FJ side mirrors are quite good for this type of use. A backup camera could easily be added to supplement the vision as well.

[justfred]

Welcome to the forum and congrats on the DII purchase. How are you planning to address the lack of CDL? (I am a prior DII owner).

I've seen kits to convert, from https://www.expeditionexchange.com/ assuming my transfer case is compatible. I'm not sure I ever "needed" the CDL in the D1. But I'm sure it would be worth it. At the moment I'm more concerned with lack of roof rack crossbars (I know there are no holes for them, haven't checked under the back seat yet to see if I have clamp-ons).


Thanks for your thoughts and comments on the FJ. I think that the vehicle will work very well for those looking for off-road capability, a compact structure and unique styling.

Just wait until some of the heavily modified ones come out. I have seen the CAD design reviews for a few, and LOOK out, they are sweet. Expect to see one on 39" Iroks in a magazine soon ;)

I'm sure they will be awesome off-road, even the stock ones. I just felt claustrophobic. And the salesperson was lousy.

[justfred]

Swiss, congrats!!!!!!! :clapsmile

Fred, welcome to the forum. I have noticed quite a few similar complaints about the lack of visibility. I imagine if you are used to lots of windows around the vehicle you drive, the lack of immediate visibility in the rear-view mirror is uncomfortable. But I honestly don't think it is really going to present any type of unusual safety liability. It's like any other vehicle that utilizes side mirrors and can be done safely and succesfully. Anyone who drives a panel van, cargo van, commercial vehicle, etc. can negotiate the streets safely with the use of side mirrors augmented with fish-eye auxiliary mirrors. I think the FJ side mirrors are quite good for this type of use. A backup camera could easily be added to supplement the vision as well.

That's the general thought; I drive plenty of vehicles with little or no rear viz. It was the FRONT and 90 degree side viz that I thought was intolerable. I believe the FJ was designed to be a trade show concept car. No one needs to see the inside of a convention center. Then when they decided to actually produce it it was too tough to modify the styling. I also believe it's an accident (and a product liability lawsuit) waiting to happen. Really a bummer, because I love the vehicle in a lot of ways and was really looking forward to it.

[Scott Brady]

I've seen kits to convert, from https://www.expeditionexchange.com/ assuming my transfer case is compatible. I'm not sure I ever "needed" the CDL in the D1. But I'm sure it would be worth it.

Here is the result of my testing with the traction control and CDL. I believe the retrofit to be critical to the performance and safety of the machine. Maybe it will be helpful to you :)


CDL and the Discovery II (http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery/cdl.htm)

[justfred]

Here is the result of my testing with the traction control and CDL. I believe the retrofit to be critical to the performance and safety of the machine. Maybe it will be helpful to you :)


CDL and the Discovery II (http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Land_Rover_Discovery/cdl.htm)

Interesting. I may or may not have a trans that is amenable to CDL - on report says 1999-2001 are, late 2001-2004 aren't.

I just picked it up Friday so I haven't abused it much yet, but will certainly give iit a look-see.

Thanks!

[BajaTaco]

Fred, I can see your point. Hey, I like the avatar - show us a few more pics on another thread when you get the chance. Looks really nice!

[The Swiss]

Reading all the comments, I'm really curious now; enough space to sleep in the inside vs surprisingly small in the rear. guys please agree on something and stop driving me crazy!! :D I actually hope the interior is similar to the Isuzu Trooper in size, but for sure not smaller than my Grand Cherokee.

The one I reserved has all the options I wanted (especially the 16" BFG AT) without too many options I did not wanted (I don't care about the spare wheel cover). What I'm not sure about though is the color, voodoo blue. I would have preferred titanium or yellow, but the dealers around here have no clue when they will receive what color. At this point they are not even exactly sure when they will receive mine. The dealer said that if I hate the color, they could try to swap vehicle with an other dealer. But it will be extremely hard to also match my wishes regarding the options ...

Gee, I'm too nervous to go to sleep ...

[Scott Brady]

Have no worries Mike, you made a great choice. Everyone has different needs when it comes to trucks.

The rear storage area is very similar to the Grand Cherokee, though considerably smaller than the Trooper (which is cavernous by most standards).

Remember, you are buying a fantastic platform to build from, with legendary Toyota reliability and durability and great off-highway functionality.

You should rest quite soundly amigo!

[The Swiss]

Thanks Scott.

[justfred]

Swiss,

I'm almost certain there's not room to sleep in the back, unless maybe you're short and you build a platform. The rear seat does not fold flat, and it's about 5'5" from the back door to the back of the back seats with the rear seat cushion removed.

This has been extensively discussed on their forum, www.fjcruiserforums.com - in fact it's one of the most frequently asked questions.

[Scott Brady]

With the seat bottoms removed there is enough room for someone up to 6'.

Here is Chris demonstrating during our tech session with Toyota.

[BajaTaco]

Swiss, I agree with Scott - I think you will be very happy.

Regarding sleeping in the back, I am quite sure it can be done for anyone 6'-0" and shorter. To clarify:

1. Rear seats would need to be removed (as mentioned, they do not fold flat).
2. Deck built above wheel wells to maximize lateral space and provide continuous flat surface. This would make better use of space anyway, for storage bins and cubbies below the deck.
3. Front seats would need to be tilted forward, and slid forward on their tracks.
4. Possibly, a hinged or sliding deck extension would be required for the space created where the front seats flip/slide forward while in camping mode.

The one downside that I could see to this though, is that there would be no place to mount a standard type 12V fridge and still have a sleeping area. There would also be limited space left inside the cabin to throw gear and packs/boxes whatever if it was raining outside. This would require some thought to keep stuff dry outside of the vehicle in inclement weather (most likely a tarp or large bins).

[HongerVenture]

Swiss,

Stick to it brother! You are living my dream right now. I strongly desire an FJ Cruiser in Voodoo Blue. I want to add the rock sliders and rear locker only and have everything else be stock. We test drove one and my wife and I tested the back area for a sleeping platform... you can make it work!

The test drive was amazing! It was an automatic which is the direction I'd most likely go. I still want to test drive a manual and see a Blue and Yellow one in person. My wife even likes it and would like one.

We just see no place that it fits into our plans, financially or family wise. Ugh! Don't you hate that!

Joel

[paulj]

The Honda Element, while no match for the FJ when the driving gets rough, works well for sleeping. It's seats fold up against the sides, giving a nearly flat floor that is 6' long with the front seats all the way forward. Removing the rear seats completely gives more space at shoulder level.



2. Deck built above wheel wells to maximize lateral space and provide continuous flat surface. This would make better use of space anyway, for storage bins and cubbies below the deck.

At floor level the Element is 42"; about 10" up, it is closer to 48". I made a platform from wood boards (1x10s, 1x3), slotted angle steel, and plywood(2 2x4 pieces of 1/2 ply), that has enough storage depth for 8 gal Rubber maid boxes. It is only 4' long, so for sleeping I need to either lower front seat backs, or add a 2' extension at the front or back (tailgate) end.


3. Front seats would need to be tilted forward, and slid forward on their tracks.

In the Element I can either tilt the front seats forward, or tilt them back to form a (roughly) flat surface with my platform. Without the platform, the front seats can fold flat and form a continuous surface with the rear seats (which also fold flat). This could also be done with the Toyota RAV4, at least the 1st and 2nd generation.



4. Possibly, a hinged or sliding deck extension would be required for the space created where the front seats flip/slide forward while in camping mode.

The Element has a clam shell tailgate, so the lower section nicely extends the cargo floor by a 1 1/2'. In most weather you'd want some sort of tailgate enclosure. The 'midsize camper top tent' intended for compact pickups works on the Element, though it could use some tailoring (the Element's tailgate is taller than the typical pickup campertop). There are 'suv tents' that have a sleeve to slip around an open tailgate. However some of those don't work well with a tailgate mounted spare tire.



The one downside that I could see to this though, is that there would be no place to mount a standard type 12V fridge and still have a sleeping area. There would also be limited space left inside the cabin to throw gear and packs/boxes whatever if it was raining outside. This would require some thought to keep stuff dry outside of the vehicle in inclement weather (most likely a tarp or large bins).

I have more space in my Element with the front seats folded flat, than with them folded forward. Still I have to pack gear carefully to have enough space when camping. I make full use of the front seat foot wells, and the dash. I also stack items on the front seats. My cooking gear is in 8 gal rubber maid boxes, which can go inside, or left outside if 'coons and bears are not a worry. I also have odds and ends in a larger Brutt Rubbermaid box that is sufficiently water tight to be left outside.

I have also experimented with a variety of traps and awnings, and keep gear dry under them. In some settings, though, theft by humans could be a worry. Storing gear in the roofrack, or a roof top box is also an option.

Element campers also talk about ways of getting out. You can't open the tailgate from the inside - though it isn't hard to add access to the latch mechanism. It is possible to open the open a front door from the rear seat area, but it can be awkward.

paulj

[Life_in_4Lo]

paulj,
that pesky fully boxed frame takes up alot of space compared to unibody ;)

I am anxious to see the FJ on the trail. I know it will do well and hope it is a positive influx of new Cruiser afficianados:beer:

[durango_60]

I just finished test driving both an auto and a six speed fj cruiser. I absolutely loved it, sure the visibility leaves a lot to be desired, it doesn't have a sfa, and (insert another complaint here). My opinion is that it is an excellent vehicle that compromises off road ability, daily drivability and long term toyota reliabilty very well.

I have decided to sell both my 80 and my 60 and commit to the FJ Cruiser. :gunt:

[Life_in_4Lo]

Cool man, give me first dibbs on your vehicles you are selling :beer: I'd like to see pics of your 80!

[flyingwil]

Did you guys hear that AllPro is going to SAS/SAC their blue FJ for the Petersen's 'Ultimate Adventure' rig? Crazy huh? But I guess when you get a free FJ you have to make it stand out.

[Scott Brady]

I have decided to sell both my 80 and my 60 and commit to the FJ Cruiser.

You are welcome to post them for sale on the forum. I am sure many of us would be interested in seeing what you have available.

[The Swiss]

I just finished test driving both an auto and a six speed fj cruiser... Which one did you like better, the auto or six speed?

[BajaTaco]

I have decided to sell both my 80 and my 60 and commit to the FJ Cruiser. :gunt:


:Wow1: :jumping: :cool: WOW - Please keep us updated. Between you and Swiss... I will have to go to the store and get some extra :lurk:


Scott, I suggest that we change the title of this forum sub-heading to:

Expedition Portal Forums/Expedition Vehicles/Toyota (Land Cruiser, FJ Cruiser)

[durango_60]

Which one did you like better, the auto or six speed?


I am going with the 6 speed, it just seemed like more fun. On technical trails I'm sure I'll regret not having the auto, or growing a third leg, but most of my wheeling is done with my kiddos in the back so I should keep it tame.

I'm going to the dealer today to put down a deposit for a silver six speed. My first plans are to find a set of the black steel wheels that someone took off to install some 20's and put some good mud tires on it for summertime, I'll keep the OEM tires and wheels for winter. I've also got a call into Kurt @ Cruiseroutfitters to try to get an ARB bumper that is on the first boat!

[The Swiss]

Swiss,

Stick to it brother! You are living my dream right now. I strongly desire an FJ Cruiser in Voodoo Blue. I want to add the rock sliders and rear locker only and have everything else be stock.
Joel

Joel,

Sorry to disappoint you but I told the dealer to let the blue one go and placed an order for a yellow or silver one ... with rock sliders.


We just see no place that it fits into our plans, financially or family wise. Ugh! Don't you hate that!I know how you feel; I have been there too. Hang in there, one day, this will be called "the good old days" :)


I am going with the 6 speed, it just seemed like more fun.Is it just me or do they not offer the locking rear differential with the manual transmission and the full time 4x4?


My first plans are to find a set of the black steel wheels that someone took off to install some 20's and put some good mud tires on it for summertime, I'll keep the OEM tires and wheels for winter.The only "must have" option for mine are the 16"TRD wheels which come with the BFG AT. The wheels really look sharp and the BFG AT proved the be ideal for the type of driving/off-roading I do (also w/kiddos). I run these tires currently on my Grand Cherokee, I have now 60kmls on them and they still have plenty of life left.

[njtacoma]

I was sitting in a friends new FJ, (purple don't know what its called) with the manual transmission, full time 4wd and it did have the locking differential.

I really liked it, I wasn't driving, but sitting in the drivers seat in the parking lot visibility wasn't that bad. Good access to the back seats for the most part, could get my kids (ages 4.5 and 2.5) into their car seats in the back.

If I were shopping for a vehicle right now I think I would choose an FJ over a new 06 double cab tacoma, having said that I prefer my wives white 04 double cab tacoma, yes, white. (someday it will be mine) :)

[durango_60]

Is it just me or do they not offer the locking rear differential with the manual transmission and the full time 4x4?

You can certainly get the rear locker and atrac w/ the 6 speed.

[Wanderlusty]

How much is it worth to have one of the first FJ's? Last count, apparently near $50K, which is 2X what they are supposed to sell for...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Brand-New-FJ-Cruiser-4x4-SUV_W0QQitemZ4626446729QQcategoryZ6443QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

:eek:

[CLynn85]

With all the talk about it I had to ride out to my local dealership to check one of these out. To my dismay the initial shipment has already been sold out with no set ETA on future shipments. Seems there's quite a demand on them, he didn't even having any brochures. Guess I'll just have to get in line to see one.

[Wanderlusty]

Just got back from Wal Mart, where I was able to catch a peek at someones all new FJ! Up close, they are actually bigger than I expected. Probably more storage capability inside than I had also though. Really nice looking silver one.

These will be great trucks once the initial hype and price inflation dies down.

[bh4rnnr]

With all the talk about it I had to ride out to my local dealership to check one of these out. To my dismay the initial shipment has already been sold out with no set ETA on future shipments. Seems there's quite a demand on them, he didn't even having any brochures. Guess I'll just have to get in line to see one.


Just for you;) . From a recent get together at Boulder Toyota. The 45 is Mike Davidson's aka "Treeroot"

[durango_60]

I am going with the 6 speed, it just seemed like more fun. On technical trails I'm sure I'll regret not having the auto, or growing a third leg, but most of my wheeling is done with my kiddos in the back so I should keep it tame.


Well I changed my mind. My wife mentioned that she was looking forward to wheeling the FJCruiser, and she really liked the automatic in my 80, so I am going with the auto. The more fun she has, the more trips I get to go on...

I also decided to take a blue one, they are coming to my dealer in about three weeks(as opposed to unknown for a silver one) and it really grew on me when I saw it in person.

[durango_60]

Well, I just picked my 80 up from a detail shop and damn, that thing is nice. When I think about the features that I really like about my two existing trucks the FJ Cruiser just doesn't have them. I still think it is a great truck and a great platform to begin from, but for a guy who who takes 3 more people on nearly every trip he takes I just don't think it is the right fit for me.

That said, I still want one in the driveway, maybe I can talk the wife into trading out the Outback...

[Desertdude]

Had a chance to check one out in person with a buddy of mine down in Scottsdale AZ - I was presently surprise with how nice it felt to sit inside and how well it is built - I still want one just 'cause

[Exrunner]

I went to an auto show here in Knoxville this weekend and saw the FJ for the first time in person. I know I may piss a lot of people off here, but I absolutely dont like them. The interior looks like it came out of a toy Tonka truck, especially each end of the dashboard. I think it is a cool concept, but I also think the rig needs work. Plus, it sits pretty low. However, I do like the sliders and the front grill, but I dont think the grill works with the rest of the truck. Plus, its kinda plasticky (sp). Again, cool idea tho.

[CLynn85]

They're so ugly, yet I still like them so much.

http://www.eshots.com/photos/10923/412/34304.jpg

http://www.eshots.com/photos/10923/412/34308.jpg

http://www.eshots.com/photos/10923/412/34309.jpg

http://www.eshots.com/photos/10923/412/34307.jpg

And a link to a few more:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/549352167/2918665160040663965bRbTbG

[The Swiss]

:clapsmile I got mine this morning; can't wait to get off work and actually drive it :jumping:

[datrupr]

Congrats!!!!!!:clapsmile Please sare with the rest of us what your new baby looks like. I can't wait to hear your trail and adventure reports with it. Very cool indeed.

[The Swiss]

Thanks Aaron, I will take some lessons on how to post pics and I will do so.

Guys, call me crazy, but yesterday evening, I was missing my Grand Cherokee more than I was actually excited about the new FJ. The Grand has been such a great, reliable companion the last five years, the FJ will have big shoes to fill.

Right now, after all the personality (rattle, clunks and body roll) the Grand had developped, the FJ almost appears boringly quiet; the vehicle appears to be extremely well built. Everything is solid and has a nice, heavy feel. And the V6 and autotranny are a delight, so smooth with ample power from low rpm. I still take it extremely easy on the engine, never reved it over 2,500 rpm yet ;).

Certain things, mainly in the interior, take some time to get used to or make at first sight no sense.
- One power outlet? You guys have to be kidding!
- No reading/map lights in the front.
- My wife noticed that the vanity mirror (important!) is microscopic.
- Just a cubby hole, no cubby box; where to put the CDs, change etc. without that the vehicle looks messy?
- Why did Toyota did not make a storage compartment under the trunk floor, like what the Xterra has? All the space behind the rear axle between the frame rales is wasted. I hope I can find an auxiliary tank or something to take advantage of all that space (19 gallons is not exactly huge for the main fuel tank).

I guess, after 5 years and 120,000 miles, it takes some time to adjust to a new vehicle...

[Scott Brady]

Michael,

Yeah, I think you are just getting used to the new vehicle. I had to do the same going from the Discovery II to the Tacoma.

I think the hardest thing to get used to with the Toyota's are their sterile nature (FJ40 withstanding). Quiet, insulating, smooth, reserved styling etc. But, as with all things that work really well, you grow fond and attached. Like a yellow lab, they become a trusted companion.

[asteffes]

I'm a little surprised by the small fuel tank on the FJ. My '06 Taco has a 21 gallon tank, with the same 4.0L V6. I would think the FJ's tank would be at least that big, if not larger. I can't wait for the day when vehicles have, say, 50 gallon fuel tanks.

[Hltoppr]

I just made a big mistake....

I went out and test drove an FJ, Voodoo Blue, Auto, rear locker....love the thing...scared the salesman on some hills we run our SAR 4WD course on....did I mention I love the thing?

I think my FJ80 will be in the For Sale section very soon.....:coffee: :box:

-H-

[Desertdude]

Bravo! :clapsmile Which color are you thinking of?

the cherry is starting to grow on me a bit :Wow1:

[Scott Brady]

:smileeek:

Too bad your FJ80 isnt white :)

Oh, and I had a guy with a new yellow FJ pull up besides me on the freeway yesterday. Full off-road gear with sliders, etc. The thing was already dirty, so I gave him the :victory:

[clarkrw3]

I drove past one on the freeway the other day in the LX and waved...he looked at me like I was crazy. Guess he didn't have a clue.

[Hltoppr]

My first FJ40 I got when I was 16 was sky blue with the white top...so I gotta go with that paint scheme...

:D

-H-

[justfred]

I'm a little surprised by the small fuel tank on the FJ. My '06 Taco has a 21 gallon tank, with the same 4.0L V6. I would think the FJ's tank would be at least that big, if not larger. I can't wait for the day when vehicles have, say, 50 gallon fuel tanks.

Or maybe, say, get 50 mpg????

[The Swiss]

I can't wait for the day when vehicles have, say, 50 gallon fuel tanks.I unluckily don't think this will happen too soon; too many people measure the "fuel milage" of their vehicles on how much money it takes them to fill up the tank. How many miles they actually can drive with one tank they leave out of the equation.

BTW, my FJ is growing on me FAST :) Just picked up some ply wood this afternoon to start building a false floor, some storage space etc. ... One week and 500 miles of completely stock is enough; time to start personalizing :archaeolo

[datrupr]

Michael, that is too cool, can't wait read the write up on the floor, and other mods, and lets see some pics, man.

[BajaTaco]

Michael, congrats on the new rig! Glad to see you are gettin' down to bidness already... :D

Yep - Sharon spotted one in Kingman on the way to Secret Pass this weekend... they are beginning to propagate. Like rabbits I say. :)

[edgear]

I still have yet to drive or ride in one, but from the comfort of my own home on PBS HD I watched a recent episode of MotorWeek and they talked quite a bit about the new FJC. I was rather surprised to see that they get as good of gas mileage as the Tacoma, and carry a smaller price tag. If I wasn't already so invested in my truck, I think that I would be very tempted to go test drive one of these futuristic-retroesque creations that Toyota has bestowed upon us!!
:elkgrin:

[Scenic WonderRunner]

................:elkgrin:


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/ScenicWonderRunner/DSCF0120.jpg

[cshontz]

................:elkgrin:

No-no-no! You can't just post a series of periods and an elkgrin. You're toying with us. That is not acceptable.

[edgear]

Originally Posted by Scenic WonderRunner
................:elkgrin:


Originally Posted by cshontz
No-no-no! You can't just post a series of periods and an elkgrin. You're toying with us. That is not acceptable.

I agree!! Is that just a photo of your neighbor's new rig, or are you now going to be known as "Scenic WonderCruiser"?? :exclaim:

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Oh Sorry!.......

That was in my Dreams last night!......hehe:ylsmoke:

...and then she turned around and I saw her behind!:elkgrin: .....:Wow1:

and I was lost in her fragrance!;)


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/ScenicWonderRunner/DSCF0157.jpg

[The Swiss]

Oh Sorry!.......

That was in my Dreams last night!......hehe:ylsmoke:

...and then she turned around and I saw her behind!:elkgrin: .....:Wow1:

and I was lost in her fragrance!;)

:confused: Maybe I have not been around long enough but your replies confuse me more than that they help ... :D

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Michael.....

Think Poetic....and your love for Toyota.

I'm just having fun and sharing some pics I took for the FJ lovers!

Get it?

Let's not ONLY be way too serious on this board.

Lets have fun!


~Mark :elkgrin:


(but if I have to explain it.....that ruins it!)

[cshontz]

That was in my Dreams last night!...and I was lost in her fragrance!

He got a new Bird of Paradise. Congratulations! Very nice! :p

[Scenic WonderRunner]

.......hehe:p

[The Swiss]

Michael.....

Think Poetic....and your love for Toyota.

I'm just having fun and sharing some pics I took for the FJ lovers!

Get it?

Let's not ONLY be way too serious on this board.

Lets have fun!


~Mark :elkgrin:


(but if I have to explain it.....that ruins it!)Ohhhhhhh ... OK ... I guess I am not too poetic ... but I do like your Bird of Paradise ... especially the color of it ... exactly like the color of my FJC ... :p

[gjackson]

Saw an FJC at Slee Off Road this week. I suppose they'll be making some mods to drool over!

cheers

[sleeoffroad]

Fitted African Outback drawer system and Milford cargo barrier. The truck that was at the shop is the one that will do the Ultimate Adventure 2006 (Petersen's Magazine)

[datrupr]

Friggin Cool, and welcome Christo. And thanks for dropping in and posting up for us.:clapsmile :luxhello:

[BajaTaco]

Fitted African Outback drawer system and Milford cargo barrier. The truck that was at the shop is the one that will do the Ultimate Adventure 2006 (Petersen's Magazine)

NICE!! Welcome to the forum :beer:

[sleeoffroad]

And you guys thought you could hide. :victory:

[Life_in_4Lo]

Christo,
dang it's about time! I was wondering when you would kick in the FJC mods! On to world domination!:beer: :beer:

James

ps- what is your avatar? Looks like a... 80 series 2dr pickup?!

[sleeoffroad]

ps- what is your avatar? Looks like a... 80 series 2dr pickup?!

That is all you get until Moab.

[Life_in_4Lo]

:D
what a tease!

[The Swiss]

:( OK, guys, call me crazy, insane or crazily insane, but I traded today my yellow FJC for a radiant red Tacoma. As the FJ is selling like hot cakes, I did not take a hit (but I did not get the best deal possible for the Tacoma either) The FJ Cruiser looks great and for sure is a great vehicle, but it just never felt right. The Tacoma is a whole different story; daaaang am I excited about it... :jumping:

Guess I see you one paragraph down, in the Tacoma section of this forum... :D

[BajaTaco]

:( OK, guys, call me crazy, insane or crazily insane, but I traded today my yellow FJC for a radiant red Tacoma. As the FJ is selling like hot cakes, I did not take a hit (but I did not get the best deal possible for the Tacoma either) The FJ Cruiser looks great and for sure is a great vehicle, but it just never felt right. The Tacoma is a whole different story; daaaang am I excited about it... :jumping:

Guess I see you one paragraph down, in the Tacoma section of this forum... :D

:eek: I must say that reading that was a little bit shocking!

However, I can't argue with your second choice :ylsmoke: ... see you in the Taco room :D

[gjackson]

That is all you get until Moab.

I was in Golden again today and saw the truck that is Cristo's avatar. Pretty sweet!! You LC guys will love it!

cheers

[The Swiss]

:eek: I must say that reading that was a little bit shocking!

However, I can't argue with your second choice :ylsmoke: ... see you in the Taco room :DWell, you were not the only one who was shocked by my decision. I think the problem was that the Taco actually was my first choice, but I let myself talk into the FJ...
... oh well, my wife still talks to me (IMPORTANT) and my boys are spending the night camping out in the bed of the Taco. :camping:

[datrupr]

Very cool, and again, a good choice in rigs. But now you have to change your signature.

[The Swiss]

Very cool, and again, a good choice in rigs. But now you have to change your signature.Thanks Aaron, I appreciate your support. Yup, I tried to change my sig, but there was a problem with the system.

[edgear]

I've read most of this thread, but can't remember if this was ever addressed.

What's up with the rear lower shock mount? I was dropping off my Tacoma for the 25k mile service today, and happened to have my camera with me. The dealership had 1 FJC on display, so of course I had to check it out up close!!


view from front:
http://home.comcast.net/~jeremyedgar/DSCN2348_2.JPG


view from rear:
http://home.comcast.net/~jeremyedgar/DSCN2349_2.JPG


zoomed out view of rear:
http://home.comcast.net/~jeremyedgar/DSCN2350_2.JPG


This looks like it would hinder ground clearance, and possibly get hung up on stuff. Has anyone heard about anything like this, or experienced it yet?

I know this is already a really long thread, but why not make it longer... :ylsmoke:

[Life_in_4Lo]

Im my experience, that lower mount never was an issue. Remember, it moves w/ the tire.

I think the worst I ever got was a slight gash on the washer... it's the same issue as the 60 and 80 series. Not really an issue at all.

If the shock mount was further inboard, it would be a real problem but Toyota tucked it as close to the tire as possible so it's pretty good I think

[p1michaud]

This looks like it would hinder ground clearance, and possibly get hung up on stuff. Has anyone heard about anything like this, or experienced it yet?

Steve Schafer (http://www.sonoransteel.com/cruiser.html) has a real neat solution (http://www.sonoransteel.com/crusier_026.jpg) for those lower shock mounts.

By the way I saw a Blue FJ up close in a parking lot a week ago. They look sharp, real distinctive. :luxhello: I parked next to it so that I could take a look without looking like I was going to steal something! I was also in my Toyota dealership and my service rep told me they sold 4 and can't get any others for now.

Cheers :beer:,
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