06 Tacoma with ATC camper mod.

[slooowr6]

Hi All,
Have not introduce myself since I join in the forum. So here it goes. We bought a 86 Vanagon Westy in April 06, spend 2 months upgrading/fixing the van. Finally we got the van to the level we are comfortable with and we start taking it out on trips.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/119466743-M.jpg
The van is great, we drove it for 6000miles in 3 months. There are limits with the van, it weights 4200lbs with 90 hps so when ever the road goes upwards we slow down to 45mph. It's a 20yo van so we are not 100% confident it'll get us to the destination (it's called Westy syndrome). The the van is tall and boxy I change the shocks, add wider tires and air bags it's much more stable but still gives me white knuckles when the wind picks up or in the twisty mountain road. So we decided to sell it.
After the short time owning the Vanagon we are sold on the idea of having a camper. We want our next camper to be reliable, flexible, capable, small in size and with enough creature comfort. There are not many choices on the market Roadtrek 4x4, Pleasureway these are nice but $$$ and very limited on where they can go. Sportsmobile is very nice and capable but a 4x4 version is close to $85k :yikes: so that's out. Then we saw KC's FWC on T100. Hmmmm, that's it. We got a 06 Taco with year end deal and special financing. :D and here we are.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/119078441-M.jpg
The first mod went in over the weekend. An AirLift air bag. It went on without much issue.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/119460075-M.jpg
Truck rides better after the bag went in, currently it's set at 13psi. The bag is needed for the coming ATC camper which should be here in March. :D
The next two thing going on the truck are TorkLift tie downs and Osram 85/80 light bulbs. I might get the adjust shocks later but I need to find one first. Sent mail to Rancho but did not hear anything back yet.
I'll update the thread as mod is done to the truck. I need to let everyone know all the mod will be "For the safy of the family" ;)


Alex
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[kcowyo]

Looking good Alex! :clapsmile

I'm sure the VDub purists would recoil in horror at trading a Westy for a Tacoma, but I think you're on your way to a more versatile solution for roaming. Hopefully you'll find the Tacoma/camper combo more stable in high winds and no doubt you'll appreciate the horsepower & torque of the Taco over the Westy.

So you did order the ATC from Ben? That's awesome! Makes you a pioneer and it means we'll have another brand of slide-in to get a review on. I'm looking forward to hearing more about it and your impressions.

:coffee:

[slooowr6]

Yep, I have confirm with Ben that I'm going to order the camper from them. Ben has been very helpful and accommodating with all my weird concerns. ;) I'm very excited about the camper!
A side note on the Taco, it rides so nice on the freeway. My wife actually prefer to ride in it than her own IS300!! The 4 hrs trip to Yosemit feels like nothing.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/119076827-L.jpg
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[Nullifier]

this will be a nice ride. The fwc campwers are sweet!

[slooowr6]

TorkLift tie down bracket for the front tie down came last Friday. So it's time to get it on the truck. There has been very little people install this bracket on the 05+ Tacos so I'm a genie pig again. Open the package all looks fine. TorkLift use the front leave spring mount as the attach point for the bracket, it's a very cleaver and solid design. No drilling is required direct bolt on. They use a J shape backet slip into the existing opening on the spring mount and use it as a mount.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/123419660-M.jpg
Here is the first challenge, the bracket won't slid in, it only goes half way in. After wiggle and hitting it with rubber hamer I decided to call them before I do any damage. This is where I learn this kit is availiable for only 3-4 month and not many people order it so there might be kinks in the hardware. After the call I know I need to grind the bracket to make it fit. Take out my trusted Dremel, not a heavy duty tool but that's all I got. So grind away, passenger side went in after some grinding, the driver side took me 45mins to get it done. This is how it should go in.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/123419810-M.jpg
Cool, now just need to mount the bracket should be easy. Here is the second issue shows up. There is a bolt welded on the J bracket in the instruction it said I should put the nut on it and have the nut 1 1/8" away from the face on the plate. Makes sense, use the nut as a stop. But there are only 4 nuts in the box 2 short if I use 2 for the stop nuts. On the phone again, tech told me I don't need to use the nuts as stop. Hmm OK, let's try that. All nuts are installed time to torque down to 70 ft-lb per instruction. Ooops, the bolt on the plate on the drive side start to pull off from the weld...... :littlefriend: Back on the phone with TorkLife again, this time tech said there should be 2 more nuts in the kit and use as stops. She is going to send me new J plates and nuts and correct the instruction on their manual. Oh well stuff happens, it took me half day to put in what I thought only going to take my an hour.
Here is the bracket installed. The upper right bolt is the one the gets pull from the weld there shold be a nut behind the plate act as the stop.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/123419934-M.jpg
With tie down install in the receiver.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/123419438-M.jpg

Time to go put in my new Hella 80/85 bulb.

[slooowr6]

A side note, the Taco weights 4480lbs with full tank of gas, me and my wife on it. I'll be weighting the truck as build goes on.

[Grim Reaper]

Time to go put in my new Hella 80/85 bulb.

You might want to look at upgrading the wiring before installing these. On my Toyota it looks like 16 gage wiring to the headlights...that’s pretty anemic. You are going to be pulling 8 amps through that. I haven’t traced it back to the column but I hope it jumps to a larger gage. If that 16 gage is all that is run up to the switch...its not enough for higher watt lights.

I just added a set of lights to my truck and did a volt drop test. I get a full half volt drop at the headlights over the new lights I put in.

http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/Headlights.shtml#OnLineOrdering is a decent little set up on the cheap.
Full write up.
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/Headlights.shtml#Installation

[slooowr6]

Did a quick measurement this morning:
At the battery post: 14.41V
At the H4 plug on low beam: 13.83V
0.58V drop. I agree the wire does look thin, looks like they keep the 16AWG wire. Need to keep a close eye on these wires.

[slooowr6]

An update on the Hella 80/85 bulbs. The bulbs are bright! I was consider bi-xenon after driving with the Hella bulbs I can't see a reason of doing it anymore. I might add a set of driving light in the middle to extend the randge in the future.

[robert]

I upgraded my bulbs to the Hella 55/100s from Rallylights a few months ago. http://www.rallylights.com/hella/H4.asp. I ran the same bulbs in Hella Vision plus lamps in my old Taco with no problems but figured I upgrade the wiring harness in the 05; well I installed the lights and hooked them up and they work fine. I finally got around to installing the wiring harness, but haven't bother to hook it up yet. So far no issues.

On a side note, the higher wattage bulbs have a shorter life expectancy so you might keep your old bulbs in the truck as spares just in case.

[slooowr6]

Finally got the light bar and driving light installed. They have been sitting in the garage for month.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/130742584-M.jpg
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/130742759-M.jpg

New bug shield.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/130743006-M.jpg

Camper is on time, it should be here first week of March.:jumping:

I still need to install the back up light.:costumed-smiley-007

[mightymike]

Nice! Who makes that light bar?

[slooowr6]

Daystar. I got it from summit racing. It comes with the light and all the wiring for $166.

[slooowr6]

An update on the AirLift air spring.
The air spring hold up pretty nicely. It did not loose any air pressure at 10psi (minimum pressure) for 2 month. Looks like is not "walking" at all. Still at where it is suppose to be. The 05+ Taco has a very weak rear suspension without anything in the bed the leaf spring is about 2.5" from bump stop. When I pump the air spring I can actually see the truck bed raise a good 3/4" and this is just 10PSI.
The ultimat test for the spring will come March when I load 800+ lbs on to the bed. :ylsmoke:

[kcowyo]

Camper is on time, it should be here first week of March.:jumping:


Very good news indeed! Are you marking off the days on the calendar with a big red X yet?

[slooowr6]

K.C.
You have no idea! It's like kids waiting for Xmas morning.

A pic of the backup light set up. The light output pattern is not as good as I expected. If I put this up front and use as fog lights I'll not be happy. But it's on the back and cost $27 so I'll live with it until I can't stand of it any more. :sombrero:
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/131194297-M.jpg

[slooowr6]

Picking up the camper this Sat! :wings: Right on schedule.

[kcowyo]

Great news! :jumping:

I hope you'll find time to write up a little review and give everyone your impression of All Terrain Campers and your experience working with Ben.

You'll be the first on ExPo with an ATC, how cool is that!

[slooowr6]

Kitty is home!! I'm VERY impressed with the camper, the finish is great. The camper is loaded so it's a little chubby. :cow: Here is a quick shot.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/133472992-M.jpg
It's been a long day. I'll post more pic tomorrow.

[kcowyo]

Wow Alex, congratulations!! :clapsmile

I'm really stoked for you and Mrs. slooowr6. And you got it at the perfect time of year with Spring on the horizon and Summer coming soon. Great teaser shot, anxiously awaiting more....:lurk:

[slooowr6]

K.C. thanks!
Here is when I'm ready to hit the road from ATC.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/133777378-M.jpg

Tacoma needs AirLift to carry the camper. With 10psi in the bag the leaf spring is getting very close to the bump stop. Currently I've 60psi on the driver side, stove, frige and etc on this side, and 55psi on the passenger side. I need to get higher pressure the head light is still pointing too high. Will put together a more detail review later. Going to Death Valley coming weekend to break in the camper! :elkgrin:

[kcowyo]

That looks great!! :clapsmile

Great call on the awning option, wish I had one. Man, the new Tacoma body style and ATC make for a sweet looking combo. I bet you two are going to have a blast with that set up. And breaking it in, in Death Valley? An excellent choice for her maiden voyage!

Re the airbags, I run closer to 80-85PSI when loaded with gear, water, etc. on the trail. When in town and unloaded, I usually keep them at 50-60PSI. And I do the same thing, 5-10PSI more on the driver's side. My camper is off the truck right now and I still keep the bags at 40-50PSI. Probably overkill but I like the way the truck handles with some air in the bags.

Congrats again Alex. I think you scored BIG time!

[slooowr6]

We are looking forward to all the trips to come :wings: with furnace and a semi-hard shell this should be a four season camping setup, so I hope.
The awning is something I struggle a little, it's $$ but at the end my wife said just get it this is our dream come true why skim on it. I'm glad I got it, it should work good when camping in open area. The options in the camper are, fridge, furnace, house battery, power roof vent, awning, rear light, screen door, wall steps, yakima tracks and a custom inverter/charger set up. I bought a Tripp-Lite 1250w inverter/charger and sent it to ATC, they help me setup the whole system without any addition charge. The charger is a 3 stages smart charger. When hook up to the 110v shore power it will charge the house battery automatically and switch the 110v outlet to shore, bypass the inverter. The plan is to get a small generator in the future if needed. With generator all I need to do is connect the shore 110 to the the generator, I can use 110 and charge the house battery at the same time.
There is a lot of creature comfort build into the camper and I'm paying the price in weight. :oops: Oh well, I'm getting old and don't really want to roughing it too much. :shakin: I'll remove the floor jacks when travel and that'll save 100+lbs, each is 25+lbs.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/133892892-M.jpg
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/133893034-M.jpg
Camper is 72" side to side.
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[slooowr6]

Back from Death Valley.
First time got the Kitty Tacoma on to dirt road, we made it to the famous junction in one piece. :sombrero: :safari-rig:
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/135558286-M.jpg

Another update on AirLift, with 70psi/60psi in them after 1400 miles trip. No problem at all! :wings:

[kcowyo]

Nice! :bowdown:

Glad the shakedown cruise through Death Valley went so well. That road from Tea Kettle Junction into the Racetrack is a good test of any suspension system.

Anxiously awaiting more pics and impressions! :lurk:

[Ridgewalker]

slooowr6 your ATC and Taco look excellent. I have travelled for many years with campers from a '73 Datsun with a Sixpack to my current '99 F250 SD 7.3 with a Lance 850. Been over most of continental US to Deadhorse Alaska. For traveling day-in and day-out you cannot beat a pickup camper.

Your decision for air bags was perfect. I run 95psi driver side and 65psi passenger. They have served me well. I only wonder how long they will last. They are pretty cracked, but still holding.

Hope you enjoy yours as much as I have enjoyed mine.

[CLynn85]

That camper looks perfect up there. Glad it made the test run just fine. Sure you'll enjoy many years of use with it.

[slooowr6]

slooowr6 your ATC and Taco look excellent. I have travelled for many years with campers from a '73 Datsun with a Sixpack to my current '99 F250 SD 7.3 with a Lance 850. Been over most of continental US to Deadhorse Alaska. For traveling day-in and day-out you cannot beat a pickup camper.

Your decision for air bags was perfect. I run 95psi driver side and 65psi passenger. They have served me well. I only wonder how long they will last. They are pretty cracked, but still holding.

Hope you enjoy yours as much as I have enjoyed mine.

Thanks! It's a very versatile setup, I can camp at Sunset campground in Death Valley, the place is full of class A RV, or in a remote off road national forest site.
RW, you run 95/65psi on you truck do you use adjustable shocks like Rancho 9000 and adjust it differently for the driver side and passenger side?

[slooowr6]

That camper looks perfect up there. Glad it made the test run just fine. Sure you'll enjoy many years of use with it.
Carl, thanks! It take some time to get use to the camper for sure. We have got our routine down for using the VW Westy. Now it's time to get our routine down for the ATC.

[Ridgewalker]

Thanks! It's a very versatile setup, I can camp at Sunset campground in Death Valley, the place is full of class A RV, or in a remote off road national forest site.
RW, you run 95/65psi on you truck do you use adjustable shocks like Rancho 9000 and adjust it differently for the driver side and passenger side?

I do not use Rancho 9000s, but it would help. I still have the OEM shocks. I have 120,000+ miles on it and just got new batteries last fall after having trouble starting it at -5 degrees. The SD has been a great truck, but it is expensive now that diesel has gone up and they went from $55 for and oil change to $85...OUCH!

[slooowr6]

I do not use Rancho 9000s, but it would help. I still have the OEM shocks. I have 120,000+ miles on it and just got new batteries last fall after having trouble starting it at -5 degrees. The SD has been a great truck, but it is expensive now that diesel has gone up and they went from $55 for and oil change to $85...OUCH!
Got it.
Consider what SD can haul $85 is not too bad. When I was at Death Valley gas was $4.09/gal. It took me $71 to fill the "compact" truck. :smilies27 With around 1200lbs on the truck I can only get ~18mpg freeway.

[tele'n]

nice setup! where did you get the air bags from. i have a canopy and a roof top hannibal and need some lift in the back to support all that extra weight.

ps, have a link for the camper manufacturer?




Got it.
Consider what SD can haul $85 is not too bad. When I was at Death Valley gas was $4.09/gal. It took me $71 to fill the "compact" truck. :smilies27 With around 1200lbs on the truck I can only get ~18mpg freeway.

[slooowr6]

nice setup! where did you get the air bags from. i have a canopy and a roof top hannibal and need some lift in the back to support all that extra weight.

ps, have a link for the camper manufacturer?
I got the bags from summitracing.com.
Here is the camper site, https://www.allterraincampers.com/

[Ridgewalker]

tele'n, I am installing AirLifts on my '03 Taco DC TRD. I purchased them at Wheeler's for $189 (cheapest I could find). I do not use a compressor nor gauges on my F250, because I only air up when I am hauling the camper and it just takes a few minutes to adjust each one before a trip. It also eliminates any additional failure points. That is the classic "KISS" principle.
On my Taco, eventually I will add an on-board compressor, but will still not have all the hoses and wiring of a built in controller, gauges, etc. for the AirLifts.
As an engineer for over 30 years, I have learned that the more complex something is, the greater the potential for failure.
Try Wheeler's for the AirLifts.

[slooowr6]

This is what I use to air up the bag http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=47599433&parent_category_rn=4500856

:bike_rider:

[tele'n]

holy crap, CO2? does that have a gauge on it? those things blast the air in don't they?

i'm just looking on the web now at the airlift systems.





This is what I use to air up the bag http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=47599433&parent_category_rn=4500856

:bike_rider:

[slooowr6]

holy crap, CO2? does that have a gauge on it? those things blast the air in don't they?

i'm just looking on the web now at the airlift systems.

It has a trigger switch. You can see the truck goes up as you pull the trigger, it only needs a short burst to air it up. I have a 160psi tire gauge and use that to check the pressure. Make sure you get the one that uses non-thread co2 cartridge so you can use the co2 for BB guns, they are much cheaper.

[Ridgewalker]

It has a trigger switch. You can see the truck goes up as you pull the trigger, it only needs a short burst to air it up. I have a 160psi tire gauge and use that to check the pressure. Make sure you get the one that uses non-thread co2 cartridge so you can use the co2 for BB guns, they are much cheaper.

Excellent idea slooowr6! I'm out to get one today. I'll try it out on my F250 as well. These things take up so little space.

[slooowr6]

Got a set of Bilstein 5100. The front has adjustable preload (4 slots), plan to use the second to the lowest slot it should give it about 3/4" lift on the front. Put in the rear on today, it took me a whopping 40mins. :wings: Did not even remove the wheels. Took it out for a short drive it's firmer than stock and the sway is reduced. The shock can "catch" the spring better. Pressing down the shock by hand the 5100 has more compress and rebound damping. The shock is 2" in dia, 1/2" bigger than stock.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/138658900-M.jpg
Overall I'm happy with it, the set of 4 cost me $285 to the door. So can't complaint much. :)
Next thing I need to do something about the front mud flaps!:Mechanic:

[slooowr6]

Need to help from ExPo crew, I'm going to add CO2, Hi-Lift and a Jerry can on the back of the camper. A setup like what Turtle Exp did on their weekender. http://turtleexpedition.com/images/13WW_FWCrear.jpg
Hi-Lift will go where the axe is.
I'm wondering what Jerry can holder option do I have? The ones I'm aware are:
AT: http://www.adventuretrailers.com/images/1_yellowjeep.jpg
Northerntool: http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/19561_lg.gif
Expeditionware: https://www.expeditionexchange.com/jerrycanholders/DSC06537340.jpg

Only the one from Northerntool can be mounted on the side. Is there any other option out there the can be mouted from the side of the holder?

Thanks!
Alex

[Andrew Walcker]

I can speak to the difference b/t the AT and the Expedition Exchange's can holders since I have both. They basically acheive the same objective, to hold a can securly and provide lockablilty. Both are very good, but if you want bulletproof, I'd go with the AT.

[slooowr6]

I can speak to the difference b/t the AT and the Expedition Exchange's can holders since I have both. They basically acheive the same objective, to hold a can securly and provide lockablilty. Both are very good, but if you want bulletproof, I'd go with the AT.

Can the AT be mouted on the side without support on the bottom? The mount need to sit flat against the back wall of the camper. :wavey:

[kcowyo]

Alex -

I asked Ben & Marty about the Turtle set up and they welded several additional braces into the aluminum frame during the build of the Turtle camper, to support all of that gear.

They advised me against trying to mount that much weight on the rear wall without additional frame reinforcements. Don't know if you had them do the same during your build....?

Just an FYI......:beer:

[slooowr6]

Alex -

I asked Ben & Marty about the Turtle set up and they welded several additional braces into the aluminum frame during the build of the Turtle camper, to support all of that gear.

They advised me against trying to mount that much weight on the rear wall without additional frame reinforcements. Don't know if you had them do the same during your build....?

Just an FYI......:beer:

Thanks for the heads up!!:26_7_2:

I did talk to Ben about mounting a Jerry can on the back wall when I order the camper. At the time Ben forgot about the reinforcements they did for the Turtle camper. He told me I should be able to mount it by bolts through the frame in the back wall. When I show them the pic of Turtle's camper 2 weeks ago, he talk to Jeff about it Jeff said without reinforcement the wall won't last. Ben has offer to do the reinforcement once they move into the new factory building and have things in order. It has been great doing business with Ben.
Ben will give me a call when they are ready to take in the camper, he told me they only need it a couple days to reinforce the back wall. Can't wait. :jumping:

[slooowr6]

Have done nothing to the truck for the past couple months. The truck now have 12k miles been staying in the camper for more than 14 nights total. All an all the camper is working pretty good. I do miss the space Vanagon has. With a truck camper you don't get the use the cabin space once you are in the camper. Couple things I'm planning on doing:
1) Change to firestine air bag or change to Dakar leaf have not decide yet. I found out that the leaf spring is touching the overload leaf on the rear but not the front, where the air bag is. My though is AirLift air bag is forcing the stock leaf into a S shape.
2) Need to change to LT tires, I'm planning on a set Load Rating D tire. I just need to convince wife this is for safety.
3) BentUp slider. Need to find time to drive to their shop for this........
4) Update my Scan Gauge II firmware so it can read trans temp. The Taco is working hard when going over mountain pass with the camper loaded.

[erod]

Have done nothing to the truck for the past couple months. The truck now have 12k miles been staying in the camper for more than 14 nights total. All an all the camper is working pretty good. I do miss the space Vanagon has. With a truck camper you don't get the use the cabin space once you are in the camper. Couple things I'm planning on doing:
1) Change to firestine air bag or change to Dakar leaf have not decide yet. I found out that the leaf spring is touching the overload leaf on the rear but not the front, where the air bag is. My though is AirLift air bag is forcing the stock leaf into a S shape.
2) Need to change to LT tires, I'm planning on a set Load Rating D tire. I just need to convince wife this is for safety.
3) BentUp slider. Need to find time to drive to their shop for this........
4) Update my Scan Gauge II firmware so it can read trans temp. The Taco is working hard when going over mountain pass with the camper loaded.

sounds good! look forward to updates...and more pics!

[kcowyo]

2) Need to change to LT tires, I'm planning on a set Load Rating D tire. I just need to convince wife this is for safety.........

4) Update my Scan Gauge II firmware so it can read trans temp. The Taco is working hard when going over mountain pass with the camper loaded.

LT's would be a good call. Let us know when you update the ScanGauge to read tranny temps. I'm interested in hearing how that works out.

[slooowr6]

Here is why I think the leaf spring is being form to a "S". It's a known issue that 05+ Taco come with soft leaf spring which gives it a great ride but not so great load capacity.

Front of the leaf spring the distance from primary leaf to over load:
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/198153125-M.jpg

Rear of the leaf spring the distance from primary leaf to over load:
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/198153110-M.jpg

The location of the air spring, it's in front of the axle:
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/198153116-M.jpg

Talked to a dealer this morning, they agree to do the TSB with my air spring and Bilstein on truck but they will take the shocks off and replace them with the shocks indicated in TSB. I'll need to put them back later. If this TSB goes through, I'll order Firestone air bags to replace the AirLift.

[buldyourown]

I have been very happy with my firestone airbags. I paid $250 for them. The mounts are very heavy duty. I've only ever put 20 psi in them when fully loaded and with heavy bikes on a trailer hitch rack. I use a bike pump for inflation since I already have one with me.
If anything, they are a bit stiff when empty. Firestone recommends a min of 5psi. Even with my canopy on there full time, the ride is stiffer than stock. It's not horrible, just an empty truck kinda bumpy.

[slooowr6]

An update on the TSB for rear leaf spring. Looks like the demand for the leaf spring took Toyota by surprise. Dealer told me the parts are on back order and the system said it won't be available until mid Nov. :oops: Oh, boy I guess I need to be patient. My plan is to get the suspension beef up before adding more weigh to the truck. ...... Just need to be patient now...... :littlefriend:

[Jacket]

Yea - that TSB is all over the tacoma forums, along with the long-awaited TSB for the weak tailgate. Toyota finally seems to be acknowledging the known weaknesses of the new trucks.

Regarding AT temps - I had my warning light come on Labor Day weekend while I was climbing one of the passes out here. Not sure what the temp is that triggers the light, but the Toyota tech I called guessed 225. I wasn't pleased......

There's another guy on the TTORA board that has hooked up a temp gauge, and has seen temperatures spike into the lower 200* area when towing at high speeds, and when running up hills on dirt roads.

I think there's reason to be concerned there. I'm going to research auxillary coolers this winter.

[slooowr6]

Matt,
I'm following that thread as well. Tacoma is working hard on any mountain pass with 900 lbs camper, 2 people and gears on board. I've the truck down shift to 3rd and rev at 4000 rpm on some highway. I'm going to wait and update my ScanGauge with AT temp reading to see what temp mine is running at before doing anything.

Alex

[Funrover]

Sorry to hear about that...but thanks for the heads up!

[asteffes]

Has anyone determined the best place to tap a temp gauge sender into the tranny lubrication system? I was thinking of putting one into the line that goes from the tranny into the cooler up front.

[slooowr6]

The only one I seen is ah64id's installation on TTORA. It'll measure the highest temp of the tranny oil which is nice. I'm still waiting scangauge to post code for tranny temp before sending my scangauge II for reprogramm.

[slooowr6]

A little update.
I gave up the idea of doing the leaf spring TSB. The new leaf from the TSB is like the current leaf with one more leaf above the over load. After giving more thought it's not worth the trouble. The Air-Lift air bag is replaced with Firstone air bag. The ride is more stable now. I believe the air bag location of Air-Life setup is causing the leaf spring to fold like a S when under load. It gives a unstable/squish feel when hit a dip on freeway. Firestone place the air bag directly above the rear axle so it does not have this issue. The ride now is firmer and more stable.
Next on the to-do list is tire. Still can't decide 255/85/16 or 265/75/16 :oops:

[slooowr6]

went and weighted the truck and camper in almost ready to travel mode, without wife, water and food. It's weights in 5600lbs! Add water, food and wife it's about 5900lbs. :oops: I need to becareful on what I add to the truck from now on.

[slooowr6]

Major upgrade has just been ordered! Hint: It's to help the kitty with all the added weight!!! :jumping: Will post more update when it's here.:wings:

[kcowyo]

Major upgrade has just been ordered! Hint: It's to help the kitty with all the added weight!!! :jumping:


A treadmill? A case of Slim Fast? A How to Pilates like a Pro book?


Ya know if I wanted to be teased while surfing the 'net, there are other websites I could visit......

[slooowr6]

:xxrotflma :shakin:

ATC Bobcat => kitty.

TRD SC is coming!! :gunt:

[slooowr6]

A big box arrive this morning.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/253389226_FDg8t-M.jpg

Ya, it's here. :wings:
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/253388631_k9u4C-M.jpg

[Jacket]

:lurk: :box:

[kcowyo]

:lurk: x2

[Willman]

:lurk: x2

Ditto x3

Great thread!

Go with the 255's......and can't wait to see the new mod!

With a box that big..... = SUPERCHARGER??????

:elkgrin:

[heeltoe989]

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:luxhello: :luxhello: :luxhello: :luxhello:

Another Supercharger!!!!

You'll love it, I still LOVE mine. I just have the URD MAP/MAF sensor in the spring to wire in and do the final turn at the dyno shop.

[kcowyo]

:lurk: x2


I'm running out of popcorn..... Any new news?

[slooowr6]

:ylsmoke: trying to find a dealer that won't cost me an arm and a leg to install it. I got price quote from $1500 to $750......... pretty amazing on the price difference. Have not found one that has installed one on 05+ Tacoma.

Time for some more :lurk:

[heeltoe989]

:ylsmoke: trying to find a dealer that won't cost me an arm and a leg to install it. I got price quote from $1500 to $750......... pretty amazing on the price difference. Have not found one that has installed one on 05+ Tacoma.

Time for some more :lurk:

$750 isn't a bad install price. mine was about $850 CAN. That was including the timing chain gasket under warranty.

Have them go through the truck and fix anything under warranty that they can so you know the engine is ready to go for the SC.

[slooowr6]

:D Made an appointment for 2/26 to bring the truck in for installation. :wings:

[heeltoe989]

:D Made an appointment for 2/26 to bring the truck in for installation. :wings:

NICE!!!!

Look forward to seeing the result and what you think of it when you get it back.

:rally_guys:

[slooowr6]

Finally got my truck back. This is the first 05+ SC installation they did. The service writer told me the tech spent 22hr on the installation. :oops: He honor the original price quote though. Not sure why it too the tech that long.

Here it is! :wings:
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/259987972_8vRaC-M.jpg
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/259988271_ebv6b-M.jpg

[HMR]

CONGRATS!!!

Can't wait to hear a report on the performance increase.

PS- Don't forget to give us more pics of your Taco/FWC. :drool:

[slooowr6]

A quick impression from driving it back from dealer in the stop and go traffic.

1) The SC does not turn the truck into a drag racer. It's very smooth when it engage.
2) It does whine a little when engage, not bad but you will know it.
3) SC triggers around 30-33% throttle position (per Scangauge), the transition is smooth.
4) Once SC engaged the truck just keeps pulling without down shift. :D

Overall I'm happy with it. Will need to climb some really freeway pass to see how it handles the heavy hauling.

My mod list is almost done for now. I'll need tires for sure, still undecided on 33"(255/85/16) or 32" (265/75/16). I think I'll know which tire to get after some freeway driving to Tahoe.

Next thing to do is bring the camper to ATC to have them install Hi-Lift mount and Jerry can holder.

[slooowr6]

CONGRATS!!!

Can't wait to hear a report on the performance increase.

PS- Don't forget to give us more pics of your Taco/FWC. :drool:

Thanks!

Will post more pic after I get the Hi-Lift and Jerry can mounted to the camper. ;)

[heeltoe989]

Finally got my truck back. This is the first 05+ SC installation they did. The service writer told me the tech spent 22hr on the installation. :oops: He honor the original price quote though. Not sure why it too the tech that long.

Here it is! :wings:
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/259987972_8vRaC-M.jpg
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/259988271_ebv6b-M.jpg


Well Done!!! Its nice to see another one :)

[kcowyo]

2) It does whine a little when engage, not bad but you will know it.

That's the flavor....:costumed-smiley-007


Congratulations. That should make hauling the camper around inconsequential. You've put a lot of time and effort into getting everything put together. It really shows. You're a long way from the Vanagon.

I think you're really going to like the increased ability the SC will give you. Passing people on a long uphill pass, when you're in a Toyota truck with a camper on the back, is a real kick. I'll be interested to hear your future impressions as you rack up the miles.

[heeltoe989]

How are you making out with the SC?

Like it?

[slooowr6]

Like it a lot, it does exactly what I want.

Here is my impression after my 265miles trip to ATC today. The trip involves climbing over 2 passes in SF bay area, Altamont pass and Sunol grade.

I use cruise control to do the test, before the SC Taco will down shif to 4th or even 3rd to keep 65mph on the passrs. Taco's cruise control is not very patient, if it can't keep the speed it'll down shift till it can. This is very annoying, sometime it'll reve at 3500rpm-4000rpm.
Today, I set it at 65mph and wait to see how it handles the climb. At the bottom of the climb TPS is at 25%, as the freeway starts to climb TPS slowly increase the moment it passes 27% SC starts to whine at 30% bypass is fully closed. The RPM is steady at ~2000 and keep 65mph going up the hill. Only at the steepest part I see the RPM raised to 2500rpm and TPS to 40% for a couple seconds. The SC does great on climbing.
On rolling hills the SC helps Taco stay in 5th. All in all the SC makes my Taco feels light again. I would recommend SC to anyone with overweight Taco!

My 265miles trip has 17.8MPG not too bad for a 5600lbs truck with aero dynamic of a brick.

[heeltoe989]

Like it a lot, it does exactly what I want.

Here is my impression after my 265miles trip to ATC today. The trip involves climbing over 2 passes in SF bay area, Altamont pass and Sunol grade.

I use cruise control to do the test, before the SC Taco will down shif to 4th or even 3rd to keep 65mph on the passrs. Taco's cruise control is not very patient, if it can't keep the speed it'll down shift till it can. This is very annoying, sometime it'll reve at 3500rpm-4000rpm.
Today, I set it at 65mph and wait to see how it handles the climb. At the bottom of the climb TPS is at 25%, as the freeway starts to climb TPS slowly increase the moment it passes 27% SC starts to whine at 30% bypass is fully closed. The RPM is steady at ~2000 and keep 65mph going up the hill. Only at the steepest part I see the RPM raised to 2500rpm and TPS to 40% for a couple seconds. The SC does great on climbing.
On rolling hills the SC helps Taco stay in 5th. All in all the SC makes my Taco feels light again. I would recommend SC to anyone with overweight Taco!

My 265miles trip has 17.8MPG not too bad for a 5600lbs truck with aero dynamic of a brick.


Wicked, glad you like it. I still love mine. Its the best mod to date.

[Rockcrawler]

I just read through your whole build thread... nice buildup! Any impressions on the ATC with a year under your belt now?

Kyle

[slooowr6]

Kyle,
I'm working on a write up on one year impression. Can't call it a review cause I'm not comparing it to anything and don't think I qualify. :p
All in all I'm happy with it and Ben at ATC is great to work with. ATC will be perfect for your Ram!

Alex

[slooowr6]

Went to ATC yesterday to get the Jerry can holder mounted. Ben, Marty and Jeff did a great job. The mounting idea is from lqhikers.

http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/261925315_eRxEG-M.jpg
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/261924848_MM2Lo-M.jpg
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/261924824_bBuT9-M.jpg
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/261924836_C4PBW-M.jpg

[lqhikers]

been following your build nice job. Since you used the Torklife mounts have you had any problems with hanging up on rocks etc.?Also when you had atc mount your gas carrier did it attach to the bottom of camper along with jack brackets?I really like the sc but it would hurry me up which would go against my style!
Drive slow and enjoy "its the journey"
Les Lqhikers

[slooowr6]

been following your build nice job. Since you used the Torklife mounts have you had any problems with hanging up on rocks etc.?Also when you had atc mount your gas carrier did it attach to the bottom of camper along with jack brackets?I really like the sc but it would hurry me up which would go against my style!
Drive slow and enjoy "its the journey"
Les Lqhikers

Thanks!
I've not really offroad other than go to Racetrack in Death Vally so I can't say if it will hang on rock of not, but I can see it's possible. I'm going to add rock slider later so I think if I hit the rock slider then I need to take a different line so I don't break the torklift mount.
They used a foot long 1/4" steel plate and bolted to the bottom of the camper with 4 through bolts. The can holder then bolt to the plate and the jack bracket.
I rarely go above 70mph usually I set the cruise control at 65mph. The SC helps Taco maintain that speed nicely. Before the SC any little incline will make the Taco down shift and reve to 3-4000 RPM and that is very annoying. My wife also notice with the SC Taco feels more at ease with the camper on the back. My current ready to travel weight is around 5900lbs so a little help on power is very nice to have.

[ExpoScout]

Good thread, just read all the way through it and it seems like the tacoma gets better and better....now you have me wanting a camper :P

[slooowr6]

Did some work on the truck today.
1) Added back up camrea. With the camper on the back I can't see anything when backing out of a parking space, after reading the thread by another forum member on back up camera I order the same model from Amazon. It's made by AudioVox. It's a really nice unit with the LCD in the rear view mirrow. The camera truns on when shift to reverse and can also turn on manually. There is a mic in the camera and speaker in the mirror. I mount the camera right above the license plate. Not the best image quality but it works pretty good.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/281388877_HaJxm-M.jpg
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/281392180_h2sCC-M.jpg
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/281389502_Chx6L-M.jpg
2) I got the Femco drain plug to make the oil change less messy. For some reason, the oil always splash out from the tacoma even I kept the fill cap on tight. Evey time there is oil everywhere even with a big oil pan.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/281389123_QwvA8-M.jpg

[kcowyo]

Did some work on the truck today..... Added back up camrea.

Hey, nice touch!

I saw that rear camera thread and another from articulate, and his Nissan build. I've lamented over the poor rear visibilty as well. I've got a couple of dingers in my rear bumper from over estimating the distance between me and a tree when backing up. Probably time for me to consider this mod, before I accidently back over some kid or dog or Yaris. ;)

I'm loving the way your set-up keeps evolving. Some really nice unique touches. Well done.

[larry.mahoney]

I saw your post on 4 wheel w picture of the truck fairing can you provide more info? How much gas does it save? I thought it would be taller. If it has results I'll get one.

Thanks

[slooowr6]

Larry,
I tried to address 2 things with the fairing.
1) Wind noise.
2) Wind resistance.
I did not take mpg measurement before and after install the fairing. Before I install my supercharger, on my 2000 mile trip to Yellowstone I averaged 18mpg. The last 350mile trip to Humboldt redwood state park averaged 16mpg with the supercharger, there is a lot of climbing to get to the park. So I think it helps with the mpg. Wind noise is much less with the faring. I planed to add a airfoil (http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/17575645/srt/pa/pging/1/page/1) I saw on RV.net later to further reduce the wind noise.

[larry.mahoney]

Saw you post on 4 wheel camper. Can you provide more info on your fairing ie gas saving ect. I thought the would be taller. Looks sharp!

[slooowr6]

After a year of back and forth between, 235, 255 and 265.
With these in consideration:
1) Power lost.
2) Center of gravity. CG is pretty high on the truck cause of the camper.
3) Tire's ability to resist fold on off camper slop.
4) Tire weight.
5) Ride quality.
6) Quietness.
7) Traction on the terrain the camper will be on.
8) Price.
9) Side wall toughness.

Finally I decided to go with 265/75R16 Load Range D tire.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/300190328_N5wwx-M.jpg
Nitto Terra Grappler 265/75R16 Load Range D.

The truck rides MUCH more stable now, I go through the same ditch everyday with the stock tire the rear of the truck will rock back and forth I always thought there is not enough damping in the shock. After putting on the Nitto drive through the same ditch the rear of the truck only swing slightly. I can't believe the stock tire flex that much. The Nitto gives me much more confidence going through a turn the stock tires are like marshmallow! The tire does ride a little harder compare to the stock marshmallow but it's not a bad thing.

[Prybry]

Are you only using the front turn buckle tie downs? or do you have something to hold down the rear of the camper to the truck bed?

Did you have any problems with the tie downs coming loose during your first "shake down" trip? Did the camper move around much?

thanks,

[slooowr6]

Are you only using the front turn buckle tie downs? or do you have something to hold down the rear of the camper to the truck bed?

The rear is tie down with the internal tie down come with ATC/FWC.



Did you have any problems with the tie downs coming loose during your first "shake down" trip? Did the camper move around much?

thanks,

The rear did come loose as expected after first couple hundred miles. After re-tighten the turn buckle they have not come loose since. The camper does not move around in the ruck bed much in my 25miles drive to race track in DV.

[slooowr6]

how the truck sits from the side, not as pretty as 255/85.

http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/302472103_V8Ju5-M.jpg

[tele'n]

did you have 255's with a pic on this thread? i went back a few but didn't see any?
i have a taco access cab in white but went with a roof topper instead of a full camper. i debating the 255 size but not too sure yet. i'm presently using the 265 but want a skinnier tire for my winter adventures up here in canada.

[slooowr6]

did you have 255's with a pic on this thread? i went back a few but didn't see any?
i have a taco access cab in white but went with a roof topper instead of a full camper. i debating the 255 size but not too sure yet. i'm presently using the 265 but want a skinnier tire for my winter adventures up here in canada.

I went with a 265/75R16 instead of a 255/85R16. The power lost from going to a bigger tire from OEM size is very noticeable with the camper on the truck. I'm glad I stay with a 32" tire instead 33". The power lost from going to a 33" tire is noticeable. You can read about Redline's thread about his regear decision to use a 255/85R16 tire. Redline has a V8 4runner. A 265/75R16 tire actual diameter vary from 31.5" to 31.9" depends on which manufacture. Take a look at 235/85R16 some people are happy with this size, the catch is this size usually comes in load range E.

[kcowyo]

. The power lost from going to a bigger tire from OEM size is very noticeable with the camper on the truck. I'm glad I stay with a 32" tire instead 33". The power lost from going to a 33" tire is noticeable.

Even with the supercharger?

I went from a 265/70/16 to a 285/75/16, before getting the FWC (but with the SC already). I couldn't tell much difference at all. Perhaps a slight lag in getting it rolling but once up to travelling speed, the power was still there with plenty in reserve.

So is the ATC staying on the truck fulltime?

[slooowr6]

Even with the supercharger?

I went from a 265/70/16 to a 285/75/16, before getting the FWC (but with the SC already). I couldn't tell much difference at all. Perhaps a slight lag in getting it rolling but once up to travelling speed, the power was still there with plenty in reserve.

So is the ATC staying on the truck fulltime?

Yes, the ATC stay on the truck pretty much fulltime. I use anothe 10year old car as DD.
Have not tried without the camper on the truck. I would say without the camper going to a 33" with supercharger should not have that much of difference. With the camper on the truck after I switch to 265/75/16 (31.5") the supercharger engage much more ofter than when I have the oem 245/75/16 (30.5"). Once the SC kicks in the truck has plenty power to move but MPG goes way down on the scangauge. So I'm thinking with the OEM tire the truck has just enough power to give the truck a reasonable acceleration and SC helps when extra power is needed. By going up 2 size in tire, it tips the scale to the truck just have not enough power to move the truck so SC kicks in more often to help and this hurts the MPG. I think the bigger tire lower the RPM also hurts the power.

[tele'n]

Thanks for the info. i'm running the 265 now but want a skinnier tire but not really any smaller. don't know if they make such a beast or not.

[slooowr6]

Thanks for the info. i'm running the 265 now but want a skinnier tire but not really any smaller. don't know if they make such a beast or not.

235/85R16 is a 32" tire it may actually taller than some 265/75R16 tires. not sure it 235 is too skinny for you. The Yokohama Geolander AT-s in 235 the thread width is actually about the same as OEM Dunlop in 245/75R16.

[tele'n]

235/85R16 is a 32" tire it may actually taller than some 265/75R16 tires. not sure it 235 is too skinny for you. The Yokohama Geolander AT-s in 235 the thread width is actually about the same as OEM Dunlop in 245/75R16.
ohhh... ok! i'll have to do some checking on this stuff then. my favourite tire i saw was on a military benz up here in canada.
thanks

[ScottBailey]

I bought a Tripp-Lite 1250w inverter/charger and sent it to ATC

slooowr6:

Considering a Tripp-Lite install. Worth it, or not?

SB

[slooowr6]

slooowr6:

Considering a Tripp-Lite install. Worth it, or not?

SB
I would say it's worth it. The Tripp-Lite is a inverter/smart charger so whenever it's plug into shore power it'll recharge the house battery. It's pretty convenient that I can charge the battery without moving the bench, open the battery box, get a charger and etc. Having a 110v in the camper is pretty nice.

[slooowr6]

Recently I got Spidertrax 1.25" spacer for both front and the back. I was hoping a wider track will help with the high center of gravity cause by the camper. After 400 miles, I decided to remove the front spacers today. The spacer cause the steering very sensitive to the road surface. I did some rough calculation. If the horizontal distance between the center of the rim to the pivot of the steering is 4.5" adding 1.25" backspace will increase the force at the tie rod end by 27%. The spacer also changed the scrub radius. I did a quick test drive after remove the spacers. It feels much better now. I left the spacers on the rear cause most of the weight is on the rear. I'll give it some more time and see if I want to keep it on the rear.

[slooowr6]

A trip to the Benette Juniper:
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/593405984_x8Bgp-M.jpg

The Juniper tree is really impressive and Ken is very friendly to talk to.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/593406029_KyKsz-M.jpg

[valleythunder]

K.C. thanks!
Here is when I'm ready to hit the road from ATC.
http://chobao.smugmug.com/photos/133777378-M.jpg

Tacoma needs AirLift to carry the camper. With 10psi in the bag the leaf spring is getting very close to the bump stop. Currently I've 60psi on the driver side, stove, frige and etc on this side, and 55psi on the passenger side. I need to get higher pressure the head light is still pointing too high. Will put together a more detail review later. Going to Death Valley coming weekend to break in the camper! :elkgrin:

You would probably be better served getting a different set of leafs for the rear. The factory leafs are nothing but GARBAGE.... replaced mine with a set of Dakars with the XL leaf. I am following your build looking at a similar camper myself... Thanks.. Rob

[downhiller37]

@slooowr6


Did you use the old air-lift air line tubing when you switched from the air-lift air springs to Firestone Ride-Rite.
I guess they use the same 1/4“ tubing and it should fit. But I’m not sure!


Wolfgang

[slooowr6]

@slooowr6


Did you use the old air-lift air line tubing when you switched from the air-lift air springs to Firestone Ride-Rite.
I guess they use the same 1/4“ tubing and it should fit. But I’m not sure!


Wolfgang

Yes, you are correct they are the same tubing. I reused the air lines.

[downhiller37]

Thanks for help!
After having received the firestones I'll start to switch!

[Regcabguy]

Have done nothing to the truck for the past couple months. The truck now have 12k miles been staying in the camper for more than 14 nights total. All an all the camper is working pretty good. I do miss the space Vanagon has. With a truck camper you don't get the use the cabin space once you are in the camper. Couple things I'm planning on doing:
1) Change to firestine air bag or change to Dakar leaf have not decide yet. I found out that the leaf spring is touching the overload leaf on the rear but not the front, where the air bag is. My though is AirLift air bag is forcing the stock leaf into a S shape.
2) Need to change to LT tires, I'm planning on a set Load Rating D tire. I just need to convince wife this is for safety.
3) BentUp slider. Need to find time to drive to their shop for this........
4) Update my Scan Gauge II firmware so it can read trans temp. The Taco is working hard when going over mountain pass with the camper loaded. If the camper's on 24/7 a custom leaf pack will allow full articulation. All the airbags restrict that with the exception of Carli Suspension's long travel's which aren't available for yours. Good move on the LT tires. In this age of ambulance chasing lawyers it amazes me that all the manufacturer's from full sized 1/2 ton on down equip their rigs with car tires. Lots of front suspension enhancement available for you Taco guys. Nice setup. Congratulations!

[JLink]

No updates since 2010? I was really enjoying reading through this build..

Sweet setup you have there. I definitely would like to get a camper like that.