Water Storage

[99wj]

other than Water Cans (scepter, wedco etc..) what does everyone use for water storage on-board and what kind of pump are you using also. Just looking to do an on-board water setup and i'm not sure where to start, if you guys have any links for products, much appreciated. :)

[mmccurdy]

Here's mine (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33018). I stuck the writeup in the Jeep forum for some reason, but I think this product and approach would work for many other types of vehicles as well.

I'm very happy with it so far. :smiley_drive:

http://gallery.me.com/mmccurdy/100648/IMG_2128/web.jpg?ver=12547760920001

[Jnich77]

Here's mine (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33018). I stuck the writeup in the Jeep forum for some reason, but I think this product and approach would work for many other types of vehicles as well.

I'm very happy with it so far. :smiley_drive:

http://gallery.me.com/mmccurdy/100648/IMG_2128/web.jpg?ver=12547760920001

Mn, I like that. almost makes me want to go get a vehicle I can use it in...lol. no seriously, its a very clever use of space.

[99wj]

very nice, might be able to fit that into the back of my jeep, thanks man! also if anyone has any good info on any type of lightweight water pumps, because i noticed on the frontrunner tank you have to work with gravity, i'd like to mount the outlet somewhere else, higher than the outlet.

Thanks!

[bucketosudz]

Now that is Nice! What a Great use of space. Thanks for sharing, I missed the thread somehow.

[roberto]

I am thinking of making some out of large diameter PVC pipe and mounting to roof rack, one on each side with ball valve or hoses leading from to rear middle of cruiser to a swing out shower head type thingy? easy to make, last for a long time, holds a good amount of water?? this would be just for shower or boiling water, I will carry my drinking water in Scepter cans. but then again a little bleach kills anything so if I had to drink i would. i did the whole cylinder volume to gallon conversion online, a cylinder approx 36" x 6" = 4 gallons. might also mount one or 2 under my CDN M101 camping trailer.

R

[Pokey]

check out the 10liter MSR Dromedaries. I have 70liters worth---fit nicely in the footwells and keeps alot of weight down low in the vehicle.

-very strong (can stand on them/ 220lbs+)
-come with accessories like shower attachment etc.
-lowest weight water storage out there (if thats a concern)
-once used -can rolled up for out of the way storage

[Flounder]

I'm also a big fan of MSR 10 liter Dromedary bags, but I also use Platypus Water Tanks in the 6 liter size. Both products are sold through Cascade Designs of Therm-a-Rest fame. The Platy bags are ridiculously durable, easy to clean with the big zip-lock openings.

I prefer this method of water storage because once the containers are empty, they can be rolled up and stowed anywhere. I also like being able to keep that much weight low in the vehicle. I usually carry as much as 40 liters of water on the floor behind my front seats. Putting that same 80 pounds on the roof sounds like a bad idea.

[LIVEABOARD]

http://www.all-rite.com/custom-allrite-holding-tanks-p-103.html

[targa88]

Longranger (http://www.thelongranger.com.au/80serieslongrangefueltank.html) makes a stainless steel water tank (30L).
Only issue is getting from Oz (cost + shipping)

[theMec]

10 liter Dromedary bags go for $40. That's pricey!
I picked up a 10 gal (~40 liter) plastic setup for $28 here ->
http://stores.ebay.com/R-and-P-Carriages-Trailer-Sales__W0QQ_fsubZ2
I got this link somewhere on Expo. A few connections and a valve and it's a great gravity feed system. I originally hooked up 2 valves because I thought it wouldn't drain fast enough. One valve was fine. I plugged the other hole.

If you need a bladder style, I think this 27 liter Frontwell ($65) is a better deal -> http://tinyurl.com/ydcjxsh

[AKRover]

I've got a 6 gallon one of these, wish I had more space for a bigger one.

http://www.valterra.com/Ind/abs_water_tanks.htm

The best part is that you can glue fittings on it anywhere because it's ABS.

[AlexJet]

Here's mine (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33018). I stuck the writeup in the Jeep forum for some reason, but I think this product and approach would work for many other types of vehicles as well.

I'm very happy with it so far. :smiley_drive:

http://gallery.me.com/mmccurdy/100648/IMG_2128/web.jpg?ver=12547760920001

Nice one. How much have you paid for it?

[Overland Hadley]

I'm also a big fan of MSR 10 liter Dromedary bags, but I also use Platypus Water Tanks in the 6 liter size. Both products are sold through Cascade Designs of Therm-a-Rest fame. The Platy bags are ridiculously durable, easy to clean with the big zip-lock openings.

I prefer this method of water storage because once the containers are empty, they can be rolled up and stowed anywhere. I also like being able to keep that much weight low in the vehicle. I usually carry as much as 40 liters of water on the floor behind my front seats. Putting that same 80 pounds on the roof sounds like a bad idea.

I have had problems with the zip-lock opening on the Platy bags not closing properly after a while. But my set is older, from 7 or 8 years ago, so they may have changed the design.

[Overland Hadley]

check out the 10liter MSR Dromedaries. I have 70liters worth---fit nicely in the footwells and keeps alot of weight down low in the vehicle.

-very strong (can stand on them/ 220lbs+)
-come with accessories like shower attachment etc.
-lowest weight water storage out there (if thats a concern)
-once used -can rolled up for out of the way storage

x3 on the MSR Dromedaries. Yes there are cheeper bladders out there, but these are made to last and I have never had a problem with leaking. Just be aware that they make a lightweight and a heavy weight version, I use the black heavy weight ones in the rig.

I like the Dromedaries because I do not need to use a water pump. Yes a pump can be nice, but it is one more thing to deal with or have break. Plus a frozen water pump does not work very well.

If you are interested in a large custom bladder system, check out a boating supply place. Sailboats use extensive bladders for water storage.

[Overland Hadley]

If you are interested in a solid plastic tank here is a good source.

http://www.plastic-mart.com (http://www.plastic-mart.com/class.php?cat=33)

Adventure Trailers can also make you a custom sized water tank.

[Riptide]

If you are interested in a large custom bladder system, check out a boating supply place. Sailboats use extensive bladders for water storage.

I was going to suggest that, too. Nauta is common brand of tanks/bladders found on boats. We've used them with good success. They seem fairly rugged, but you'd want to protect against puncture and abrasion, so putting them in a confined space like a locker or box is a good idea...

http://www.imtra.com/product/pumps_tanks/nauta_holding_tanks.htm

[Hoosier 45]

You might what to check these out. I bought one for each person in the family to use as hot showers. They look to be very heavy duty and well (swiss) made.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ZBB993-1.html


Martin

[matt s]

Call me crazy, but I have been considering going back to the way Dad used to do it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X%2Bp2HvjPL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

We used to carry these things miles through the brush to hunting camps etc. Honestly over the years I think we only managed to tear one once. You can hang them, they hold 5 gallons, they have a spigot, and best of all 9 bucks (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001QBZI90/ref=asc_df_B001QBZI90994674?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=googlecom09c9-20&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B001QBZI90).

I do have one of the MSR bags and it is really nice, but 30 bucks better nice???

BTW the ones Martin linked to look real nice.

[Scenic WonderRunner]

I had another hair brained idea tonight after reading this thread....so here goes nothing....thinking out loud.

A lot of guys seem to like to make/build custom bumpers.

Has anyone ever built custom front and rear bumpers that could hold water? You could even expand this idea to the rock sliders!

Could this be done, and how much could they hold? 25 gallons each on the bumpers? How much on the sliders?

Have a water filler on the top. And a drain fitting on the bottom. You could easily use these to wash your dishes and other. Save the drinking water.

It saves space. It actually increases the strength of the bumper for an accident. I remember my new 1974 MGB. It had the stupid little black plastic water bumpers attached to the front and rear bumpers because of all of the new car safety regulations...and they couldn't keep up.

And/Or use PVC pipes attached next to the frame rails under the truck.

What do you think?


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[matt s]

Sadly a no go in cold climates, the chance of freeze expansion damage is too great. But I swear I have read somewhere on this forum where someone had done just as you are talking about. I think they were also talking about using rock sliders the same way.

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Sadly a no go in cold climates, the chance of freeze expansion damage is too great. But I swear I have read somewhere on this forum where someone had done just as you are talking about. I think they were also talking about using rock sliders the same way.

If it might freeze....just fill them up less so the ice can expand, or do not use them at that time. No reason why they wouldn't add enjoyment in the summer.

I have that plastic container you mentioned above! I like it! $2 bucks brand new at a garage sale. And it folds flat when not using.....Perfect!


Early Bumper Water Storage!:costumed-smiley-007

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/ScenicWonderRunner/1974_mg_mgb_british_racing_green.jpg

That's not me....mine was maroon with a black top.





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[mmccurdy]

Nice one. How much have you paid for it?

Just saw this reply today when the thread got bumped. I got it from Equipt (http://www.equipt1.com/h/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,436/category_id,159/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,31/), he's got it up for $210.


Call me crazy, but I have been considering going back to the way Dad used to do it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X%2Bp2HvjPL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

We used to carry these things miles through the brush to hunting camps etc. Honestly over the years I think we only managed to tear one once. You can hang them, they hold 5 gallons, they have a spigot, and best of all 9 bucks (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001QBZI90/ref=asc_df_B001QBZI90994674?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=googlecom09c9-20&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B001QBZI90).

I do have one of the MSR bags and it is really nice, but 30 bucks better nice???

BTW the ones Martin linked to look real nice.

I picked up a few of these bags a couple years ago. They never lasted more than a trip or two without springing a leak. I had at least one from Reliance and one from StanSport. When the material collapsed, it created sharp creases and the leaks generally formed at the points where it was creased.

That said I totally believe these were made better "back in the day" -- it seems like they may have gone the way of so many other things: cheaper materials, shoddier construction, etc. just to save a few bucks.

If I were you I'd stick to the MSR bags... just my two cents though.

[matt s]

I had wondered if the quality had changed. The old ones seemed pretty sturdy. The plastic was thick.

[R_Lefebvre]

I had another hair brained idea tonight after reading this thread....so here goes nothing....thinking out loud.
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Not a bad idea in principle, but hard to do in practice. First, you gotta worry about rust. So either you have to coat the inside somehow, or you gotta use stainless steel. Most people around these parts don't have the equipment or knowledge to weld stainless properly.

On the classic old bags... I have one that came with my Coleman water heater. I don't trust it. The plastic is thick, but it seems to not be very pliable. Also, the valve really sucks.

[mudbutt]

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/bf74df6c4e.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[rusty_tlc]

.....

Has anyone ever built custom front and rear bumpers that could hold water? You could even expand this idea to the rock sliders!

Could this be done, and how much could they hold? 25 gallons each on the bumpers? How much on the sliders?....
231 cubic inches (L x W x H) = 1 gallon.
Volume of a cylinder V=π*r²*L
For a tube with a 3"id and 4' long
V=3.14*3²*48~1356.5
1356.5/231=6.4 gallons

[skysix]

That said I totally believe these were made better "back in the day" -- it seems like they may have gone the way of so many other things: cheaper materials, shoddier construction, etc. just to save a few bucks.

If I were you I'd stick to the MSR bags... just my two cents though.

Borrowed my folk's from the early 60's. Used it for 2 trips last summer with no leaks. I remember spending entire summers using it when out of school in the 70's and 80's and many 2 week trips after that.

I think you've nailed the problem. We buy crap 'cause its cheap so manufacturers go with the lowest common denominator - and thus it becomes impossible to buy quality products - or excessively expensive as custom made.

EG: Walmart sheets I bought in Germany a couple of years ago for a camping trip (rental RV) - 800 thread count, 20 euro a set ($30 at the time) and they are still the nicest feeling sheets I've got. Go to local Target and Wallmart and see what you get for $30....

[Overland Hadley]

Call me crazy, but I have been considering going back to the way Dad used to do it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X%2Bp2HvjPL._SL500_AA280_.jpg


The only containers that I have had no problem with leaks are Nalgene's, MSR bladders, and Wedco's.

I have lost a couple gallons of water in the bottom of a vehicle on a week long trip with no water supply. Not fun!

[gasman]

Call me crazy, but I have been considering going back to the way Dad used to do it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X%2Bp2HvjPL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

We used to carry these things miles through the brush to hunting camps etc. Honestly over the years I think we only managed to tear one once. You can hang them, they hold 5 gallons, they have a spigot, and best of all 9 bucks (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001QBZI90/ref=asc_df_B001QBZI90994674?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=googlecom09c9-20&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B001QBZI90).

I do have one of the MSR bags and it is really nice, but 30 bucks better nice???

BTW the ones Martin linked to look real nice.

ive got a couple of these babies that have to be close to 15yrs old and still use em a couple of time a yr.. i am careful not to crease em up though.
another nice thing is you can fill em 3/4's full and throw em in the freezer then top em off ice cold water for days and days...

[matt s]

ive got a couple of these babies that have to be close to 15yrs old and still use em a couple of time a yr.. i am careful not to crease em up though.
another nice thing is you can fill em 3/4's full and throw em in the freezer then top em off ice cold water for days and days...

Now that's a good idea. Pretty unfavorable reviews on these around here, but if I do go this route I wouldn't have all my eggs in one basket, I will keep and use the msr bladder too. Nicely for us, water is really not an issue other than having to much liquid sunshine. If you carry a filter in Alaska you are really never very far from a water source.

[ntsqd]

After suffering the failure of one of those folding type water carriers I've been using one of these for ~5 years.
http://www.coleman.com/coleman/ColemanCom/detail.asp?CategoryID=8510&product_id=5620B718G

http://www.coleman.com/coleman/images/products/5620A718_500.jpg

Mine is finicky about getting the cap threaded on exactly right. If I take the time to do that it does not leak. I like the square shape as it makes it easy to pack and to secure from movement. I've replaced the cap & cock once. Age or something caught up with the lever on the valve as it oxidized, got brittle, and then broke. Coleman's parts system is a great service.
I think Big 5 sells the new units for under $10 each.

[FJR Colorado]

For cost-effective and easy water portage, it's hard to beat the venerable Aqua-tainer...

http://media.rei.com/media/499221.jpg

They're sturdy, strong and cheap. Has a spigot (that can be reversed and stored inward). They easily stack (and even lock together between top and bottom once the spigot is inverted).

I find them much better than the collapsible units or the Coleman units.

[off-roader]

Previously I used the Reliance 5 gallon foldable heavy plastic bottles available at REI. But after having numerous failures/punctures I elected for what IMHO is a better solution... and I hate to say it especially in such an environmentally cautious culture but I now simply buy the 2 gallon bottled water jugs. If 1 fails, that's ok because I don't loose half or all of my water. Thus far, I've only had 1 fail in the past dozen or so trips where I typically take 4-6 of them.

As for an onboard system... not something I'm ready for.

[FLYFISHEXPERT]

I built an on board water system from a Reliance jug and some RV parts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DszsfbnBtoA

Writeup here. (http://www.theoverlandgourmet.com/2011/07/inexpensive-on-board-water-system.html)

[Overland Hadley]

For cost-effective and easy water portage, it's hard to beat the venerable Aqua-tainer...


I had six 'tainers, and they all leaked.

[AKRover]

Now that's a good idea. Pretty unfavorable reviews on these around here, but if I do go this route I wouldn't have all my eggs in one basket, I will keep and use the msr bladder too. Nicely for us, water is really not an issue other than having to much liquid sunshine. If you carry a filter in Alaska you are really never very far from a water source.
You know what I do is keep one of those collapsable tanks folded up in the back of the rover so if my camp is close to a water source I can fill it with filtered water and not have to tap into the tank in the back. Those things are cheap and they pack down really small.

[matt s]

You know what I do is keep one of those collapsable tanks folded up in the back of the rover so if my camp is close to a water source I can fill it with filtered water and not have to tap into the tank in the back. Those things are cheap and they pack down really small.

Hey Noah, good idea. Spending any time on the 2meter or are you still having issues with it? I listen pretty regularly to the irlp's and local repeaters but haven't keyed the mic in some time.

[FJR Colorado]

I had six 'tainers, and they all leaked.

How?

I've had 6 for about 10 years without a single leak ever...

A couple of spigots broke over time but they had a LOT of use.

[Scenic WonderRunner]

I found this at a thrift shop for $2 bucks a few months ago. I wish I could find a few more! I think it will last forever! I checked the Rubbermaid website, and I can't find them.

I'm now thinking that I have a like new, antique!

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/ScenicWonderRunner/2010_0122RubbermaidWaterStora0006.jpg




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[ntsqd]

Previously I used the Reliance 5 gallon foldable heavy plastic bottles available at REI. But after having numerous failures/punctures I elected for what IMHO is a better solution... and I hate to say it especially in such an environmentally cautious culture but I now simply buy the 2 gallon bottled water jugs. If 1 fails, that's ok because I don't loose half or all of my water. Thus far, I've only had 1 fail in the past dozen or so trips where I typically take 4-6 of them.

As for an onboard system... not something I'm ready for.
I tired that on two trips. Failures both times.

[TangoBlue]

I found this at a thrift shop for $2 bucks a few months ago. I wish I could find a few more! I think it will last forever! I checked the Rubbermaid website, and I can't find them.

I'm now thinking that I have a like new, antique!

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/ScenicWonderRunner/2010_0122RubbermaidWaterStora0006.jpg




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I have one that I got about 20 years ago. It is a handy size for short duration travel, the only problem is the cap doesn't seal very tightly and leaks pretty easily. As long as you keep it upright and secure you're GTG.

[off-roader]

I tired that on two trips. Failures both times.

How are you storing them? Loose or strapped down?
Mine are kept in one of the rubbermaid tubs in back. it's a pretty good fit and I fortunately haven't had any issues. Of course there's nothing in there that might puncture it either.:bike_rider:

[AKRover]

Hey Noah, good idea. Spending any time on the 2meter or are you still having issues with it? I listen pretty regularly to the irlp's and local repeaters but haven't keyed the mic in some time.
Hey Matt, check your PMs.

[matt s]

Noah I did, sorry about that, a little slow on the response.


To everyone else: who thought we would get this much milage over who has the cheapest leaking plastic container?! Ha ha kinda funny. We highjacked this well. Still good info and to the couple of people that posted up there actual systems they are very cool and spark some good ideas.

[dport]

I have pondered using this in the future. I prob. wouldn't fill it all the way up, maybe 2/3 for multi day trips. I think it would be OK in the bed of the Taco/4Runner. Maybe build a light weight cage to surround it for protect and to be able to stow gear on top of it. http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/portable-rv-fresh-water-tank-45-gallon/1605

[gr8wrk]

I have a somewhat modified aluminum toolbox in the front of the bed of my Tacoma. I mad a baffled fiberglass storage tank to fit that's about 10" high. It holds about 16 gallons. I put a 6" marine deck plate in the top for access and a small drain out the bottom. Currently I'm using a 12v Rule 27D 1100 gph bilge pump in it. It pumps water to an outlet near the back of my shell and to a shower. So far, works OK. I've used the rule pumps on small boats and they have always performed flawlessly and lasted long. They're inexpensive but do the job.

[JRhetts]

http://www.all-rite.com/custom-allrite-holding-tanks-p-103.html

We too have used All-Rite tanks. I had three (two freshwater and one graywater) tanks make for our FusoFM camper. They were complicated shapes with angled corners, etc. All-Rite did a good job out of very strong material.

We've also used everything from MSR Dromedary bags to Wedco metal jerry cans, but each for a different purpose/context. The former for three weeks in the Guyana jungle setting up clinics along the rivers, and the latter for driving to Panama in a Jeep. Each situation requires/dictates its own solution.

[mmtoy]

231 cubic inches (L x W x H) = 1 gallon.
Volume of a cylinder V=π*r²*L
For a tube with a 3"id and 4' long
V=3.14*3²*48~1356.5
1356.5/231=6.4 gallons

I've been looking into using PVC or similar under the truck or using sliders, etc for water storage. Will probably abandon the idea due to space and low volume issues.

Your algebra is correct, but your numbers are not quite right.

3" inner diameter is 1.5" radius (r). Volume of a cylinder is Pi*r^2*L.
A 4' long tube with 3" ID has a volume of 3.14*1.5^2*48 = 339 cubic inches = 1.5 gallons.

[gwhipp]

I am considering multiple PVC pipes under my truck and hooking them up to my OBA with a regulator. The pipes are rated for 200psi and if you were to fill them with 35psi, it would be great for washin' up.

They would be easy to drain in the winter.

[GhettoBago]

Spent the day cutting wood & stapling carpet today, quick run to the army supply store.. about $55 to put it all together, 7 gallons.

Puts out like 20 ounces in a single pump! When the spigot is on, it shoots outside the rear doors so no mess ever!

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3083/img0191fa.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/img0191fa.jpg/)




I was stoked to get it to fit so that it allows plenty of room still to sleep us & the dogs, I fit laid down with ease between the box & drivers seat. I plan to make some sort of elastic cord storage on the side for stuff too!

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4530/img0188c.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/img0188c.jpg/)



Easy to take out.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4619/img0193df.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/img0193df.jpg/)



Instead of blocking the accesory outlet, I decided to incorporate it... and damn do stupid things like that ad tons of steps!!

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9808/img0184lk.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/img0184lk.jpg/)

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7352/img0194o.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/img0194o.jpg/)

[LandRoverHyter]

Call me redneck but whats wrong with using something like this? already has the pump and hose built in...just change the nossle.



http://www.tractorsupply.com/lawn-garden/lawn-garden-sprayers-spreaders/lawn-trailer-sprayers-spot-sprayers/economy-spot-sprayer-25-gal--2130348

[partsflyin]

Call me redneck but whats wrong with using something like this? already has the pump and hose built in...just change the nossle.



http://www.tractorsupply.com/lawn-garden/lawn-garden-sprayers-spreaders/lawn-trailer-sprayers-spot-sprayers/economy-spot-sprayer-25-gal--2130348

i see nothing wrong with it. In fact I just recieved this:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/spot-sprayer-15-gal--2138134
For the price I figured i couldn't go wrong. Gonna build one of my benches around it.

[LandRoverHyter]

i see nothing wrong with it. In fact I just recieved this:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/spot-sprayer-15-gal--2138134
For the price I figured i couldn't go wrong. Gonna build one of my benches around it.

be sure to take some pics and let us know how it works out. It's alwys fun to think outside the box.

[Ruined Adventures]

thread hijack: Ghettobago, where did you find your storage rack that's mounted from the ceiling? Let me know how you like it or how it could be improved, because I was thinking about doing something similar. Send me a PM or email so I don't derail this water storage topic. Thanks

Proceed with the waterboard, err, I mean water discussion...

[Co-opski]

Here are my experiences with water storage containers.
I live in a dry cabin for the last two years now and haul my water weekly. Yes I’m that guy on the side of the Seward Highway filling up at the spring at MP 109. I use a fleet of 6 Colman blue jugs.
http://www.coleman.com/coleman/images/products/5620A718_500.jpg
What I have found is they do get worn as the threaded caps are used. The spigots do get brittle like ntsqd stated and break. I get about 2 months out of a spigot with daily use and Colman sells replacements that I buy in bulk.
From what I have found with the folding type water carriers is that with constant use the handle starts to rip apart from the jug mostly from the weight of carrying the water. This type lasts about a month with daily use. I do like the spigot design better than the Coleman design. I will take the weak Coleman spigot over the catastrophic failure of the folding jug. The blue Coleman jugs do pour better when set on a ledge verses the folding ones that tend to roll off if not placed securely.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X%2Bp2HvjPL._SL500_AA280_.jpg
When traveling I use the MSR Black Dormetory Bags as they fit nicely with my MSR water filter that has the same thread pattern as a Nalgene. I also like the accessories that MSR has for them; like the shower hose, bite valve, or spigot and you can hang them for a gravity feed from your rack or tree.
http://www.survivalequipment.net/dromedary2.jpg

[Gooseberry]

not sure the manfacture but I have seen a rear bumber with water storage on a jeep. You just unscrewed the cap and put the pump/faucet on and good to go. I used it after shooting one day and it was pretty nice. Will try and make some calls to find out who makes it.

[sjk99]

rear footwell water tank. Kind of pricey but 40L down low is hard to argue with.

http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2157

[Xterabl]

About that footwell tank...I don't get how water gets from one side to the other, once the level drops below the contoured part for the driveshaft "hump". Just some food for thought.

[frgtwn]

From the sierraexpeditions site:

Product Features:

•Made of food grade polyethylene and BPA free
•Cutout spans transmission tunnel
•Water outlet on each side of tank, two hoses fittings and brackets provided
•Raco quick connect adapter on end of 12mm diameter hose
•Orbit or Ace Hardware quick connect adapter compatible

[Xterabl]

Hey, thanks frgtown...guess I should've bothered to read it myself. Two outlets may present minor issues with the extra tubing, etc., but probably not too bad, all things considered.

[oO_Rogue_Oo]

not sure the manfacture but I have seen a rear bumber with water storage on a jeep. You just unscrewed the cap and put the pump/faucet on and good to go. I used it after shooting one day and it was pretty nice. Will try and make some calls to find out who makes it.

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[5Runner]

Here is an idea for on board water storage...please share your thoughts.

Having on board air is also a plan for me. With that will be air tank(s) built in with compressor(s) wired in and on all the time to keep a certain pressure. The idea is to tap a line off the tank(s) to a pressure reducer, to the primary water storage tank?

This way the water system is kept under constant pressure to the tap. A hot water line will run off the same tank(s) to a coolant heat exchanger and back to the tap. Here you could even have a mixing valve to dial in your shower temp if you wanted.

This seems like a way to eliminate the need for a water pump (second electrical device) by using the air compressor.

Thoughts:

!) I plan to put the compressor(s) under the hood. It seems the dirty engine air would not be good to use in your water supply. This water is meant for cooking and drinking too.
2) due to number 1, should you move the compressor to a cleaner source, or can you attach a breather on the compressor inlet and route it to open air outside the engine bay.

[dwh]

It could work, but would require a sealed filler inlet for the water.

RV city water inlet regulators are generally in the 25-45 psi range, so standard PEX RV water pipes could handle it, but the tank might not be able to handle much pressure.

Probably suck a lot more amps out of the battery than a regular little RV water pump to achieve the same goal.

Plus more wear and tear on the compressor which probably costs more to replace than a water pump.

[5Runner]

It could work, but would require a sealed filler inlet for the water.

RV city water inlet regulators are generally in the 25-45 psi range, so standard PEX RV water pipes could handle it, but the tank might not be able to handle much pressure.

Probably suck a lot more amps out of the battery than a regular little RV water pump to achieve the same goal.

Plus more wear and tear on the compressor which probably costs more to replace than a water pump.

Good thoughts, but it seems like it would hardly work the compressor at all. Once the air tanks are up to pressure (at 120 psi) it shouldnt take much volume of air to keep 10 gallons of water at 30 psi. As the water flows, you are only going to use enough air, compressed at 30 psi, to replace the water you use...doesn't seem like much at all.

[Gooseberry]

yep that looks like it.



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[PsychoBurb]

I'll be using the PVC idea myself. Gonna build my own roof rack on the burb and provision it for a piece of 6" pvc on each side, each about 6' long. Tap an air fitting into it so i can presurrize them, and use them for wash water and showering. Will probably even paint them black so I will have hot water if the sun is shining. And being under pressure will also raise it's freeze point a bit. Not that freezing is a huge concern in and around Tx.

[jronwood]

All good input folks,

Jronwood

[DylanT]

25 liters, baby! I know a guy who mounted 2 of these (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/used-swedish-military-25-liter-water-container-olive-drab.aspx?a=829189)on his bike like paniers. But they are easy to fit in any regular vehicle whatever way you might want to configure. OK price too here.

[matt s]

i see nothing wrong with it. In fact I just recieved this:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/spot-sprayer-15-gal--2138134
For the price I figured i couldn't go wrong. Gonna build one of my benches around it.

Anyone know how "potable" the water is when using one of these. Their polystyrene but are they food grade or close enough? I would worry about the pump and nozzle but then again I drink from the garden hose with thinking twice about it.

[kidishi@gmail.com]

I originally bought a similar unit from harbor freight. I was going to use it for a water tank on my trailer. It seemed like a great deal with the pump included and all. When I got it home and opened it up, the tank smelled horrible inside. I didn't think it was food grade at all as it is intended for agricultural things like bug sprays, weed killers and such. I tried rinsing it out several times with a light bleach solution but could not get the smell out of it. Then there was the interior of the pump that was also a concern....in the end I returned it as I didn't think the "good deal" for the item was worth the headache. I bought a real drinking water holding tank and seperate pump. It cost more but I slept a lot better! And I like hose water as well. :coffeedrink:

[Vans-are-freedom]

I am thinking of making some out of large diameter PVC pipe and mounting to roof rack, one on each side with ball valve or hoses leading from to rear middle of cruiser to a swing out shower head type thingy? easy to make, last for a long time, holds a good amount of water?? this would be just for shower or boiling water, I will carry my drinking water in Scepter cans. but then again a little bleach kills anything so if I had to drink i would. i did the whole cylinder volume to gallon conversion online, a cylinder approx 36" x 6" = 4 gallons. might also mount one or 2 under my CDN M101 camping trailer.

R

Sounds like a great idea. I was going to put a PVC pipe tube on my roof for holding fishing poles. I could have that on one side and a water tank on the other. Being up high Gravity Flow would make it really nice and easy too.

[Caoboy]

This is what I've started using. 7 gallons for 10.88 at the local *gasp* Walmart. I like that they are stackable, have a spigot, and fit in an ice chest, even though they don't look as cool as a jerry can that costs at least 2x the price. Great for car camping, day trips, etc. 1.75 for 7 gallons of water versus toting around a bunch of bottles? I'm down! :snorkel:


For cost-effective and easy water portage, it's hard to beat the venerable Aqua-tainer...

http://media.rei.com/media/499221.jpg

They're sturdy, strong and cheap. Has a spigot (that can be reversed and stored inward). They easily stack (and even lock together between top and bottom once the spigot is inverted).

I find them much better than the collapsible units or the Coleman units.

[xpdishn]

Got tired of hauling various sizes of water jugs for my long trips. So I built my own.

Total of 17 gallons, on the floor, in the middle of the rig, 12v pump with faucet at the back.


Looking forward with tank in foot well:
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And then sideways to show size:

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Just got done and views are before all my storage is put back in.

[Xterabl]

Awesome! In the first picture: at the left, is that a fill hose going to outside the vehicle?
I'm doing the same thing right now...building custom water tank out of ABS plastic.
Did you use polyethylene? Hot-air welded?
Looks very sweet.
Going custom is the only way to maximize water volume and minimize wasted storage space....

[xpdishn]

Awesome! In the first picture: at the left, is that a fill hose going to outside the vehicle?
I'm doing the same thing right now...building custom water tank out of ABS plastic.
Did you use polyurethane? Hot-air welded?
Looks very sweet.
Going custom is the only way to maximize water volume and minimize wasted storage space....

My tank is out of HDPE and yes it is hot-air welded. The welder and materials aren't cheap, but to pay someone to do this would not be cost effective.

No, that hose is the intake for the pump. Here is a pic of it going thru the bulkhead, with the pump directly behind the bulkhead (which of course one can't see):


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At the rear is the faucet with a swivel spout. Turn the spout, flip the on/off switch, flip the faucet handle and you have water. Here is a close up view:

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The other quick disconnect you see in this pic if for the shower. The shower head will have the on/off handle to be able to regulate water flow. Don't want to use too much water taking a shower.

This next pic is from the passenger side where I put in a water gauge to see how much water is in the tank. I will put graduation lines on it in the future. Not the best pic, but you get the idea.

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[targa88]

Gary,
Masterpiece! The tank design looks brilliant. Master craftsman!

17 gallons sounds like good capacity.
I assume that the two black disk are to fill the tank?

[xpdishn]

Gary,
Masterpiece! The tank design looks brilliant. Master craftsman!

17 gallons sounds like good capacity.
I assume that the two black disk are to fill the tank?

Yes, those are lids. I have two because I put in 2 baffles and I have centered each lid over a baffle, giving me access to all 4 compartments. In the pic you can see the baffle and water pick-up line.



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I now have to take it out on some rough trails and see how it holds up.

It's not a masterpiece, but thanks.

[xpdishn]

Just a quick pic with the storage system reinstalled.

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[Douglas S.]

I use Scepter military water cans. Just have to make sure the lids are tight.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee159/dougfunny2020/waterblue.jpg

[Wyowanderer]

I use Scepter military water cans. Just have to make sure the lids are tight.

You can get a set of o-rings that will stop the dribbles. I forget who I bought mine from, but it kept me from ridding myself of the scepter because I had to tighten (and loosen) them dead tight.
Even with the dribbles many won't mind them, though.

[gchinsr]

No affiliation. Here is one source http://www.offroadtrailtools.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=524for set of 3 O-Rings
Greg

[Darby Darrow]

No affiliation. Here is one source http://www.offroadtrailtools.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=524for set of 3 O-Rings
Greg

I went to order a set of three for $3.95 but there is a minimum order of $10. So I ordered three sets of O rings to make the minimum and they wanted $16.95 for shipping!

[rxinhed]

Back in the day when I could drive my Raider, I used a 25-gallon water tank from a van conversion and a small electric SurFlow pump. I used the potable for drinking (of course) and to wash my hands in between visits to earthwork projects.

[Wyowanderer]

I went to order a set of three for $3.95 but there is a minimum order of $10. So I ordered three sets of O rings to make the minimum and they wanted $16.95 for shipping!

Give them a call. I bought mine from them and had no problem with excessive shipping. They are great folks.

Thanks Greg for posting them up, I had forgotten where I got them and was too lazy to look it up.

[Dirtytires]

This is a great thread.. Now for some questions.. I have a 16 gallons water tank I want to mount under a trailer. It will sit right in front of the axle. I have a steel protector plate for the front . That being said. How or what do I need to get the water from the tank to the sink? Any special hosing or spickets needed? Can I use a manual pump or would I have to have the power to pull the water up? Thanks. Craig

[3jarrells]

I use one of the cheap reliance containers. I don't want anything attached to the truck. Sometimes we are in the canoe or camp away from the truck.
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I didn't like the way the original spigot worked. So I added a bushing and a sink shut off. Flows much better. Instead of flipping the spigot around to use as cap I just screw in a threaded cap (not in the pic). Who wants a part you have been touching with dirty hands, inside your water tank?

[Ty-Dean Customs]

Puts out like 20 ounces in a single pump! When the spigot is on, it shoots outside the rear doors so no mess ever!

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3083/img0191fa.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/img0191fa.jpg/)

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Where did you purchase this pump?

[Ty-Dean Customs]

Can anyone tell me where I can purchase a pump like the one pictured above?????

[Flip_4_It]

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[kb7our]

Where did you purchase this pump?

Looks like the same one used on the AEV rear bumper...

http://www.quadratec.com/products/12049_2003_07.htm

[postalWagon]

3/8's inch petcock valve + ~1 yard of 3/8 x 1/2 inch tubing + a heavy 3/8 barbed fitting = a stoppable siphon for a NATO water can. I took the time and found that a siphon will drain a can in 5 min 30 seconds without the valve. The valve adds another five minutes to that. best of all it cost me about ten dollars to put together.
will post pictures when I get the chance.

[LR Max]

Currently I'm using a swiss military water jug that I bought off of sportsmans guide. Considering how infrequently I need it, it works just fine. It is wider than a Wedco/jerry can style, so more stable. Or at least it feels like it. Also the small spout is great for refilling water bottles. I cut a plastic bag and tied it over the small spout to keep dust out of it.

Not fancy but works.

[postalWagon]

the pictures
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It makes running water in camp without to much effort.

[Uncle Roger]

Can anyone tell me where I can purchase a pump like the one pictured above?????
Search ebay for "drinking water pump" -- there are lots of similar ones meant for 5-gal water bottles.

[inelle]

I have to agree, that is a very good solution and maximizes the space available too. Though it becomes some burden if you then decide to recline that layer of backrest. Or you could always push that a little further back just to give it some angle. I reckon that using a rectangular shaped one would also be good but occupies a bigger space and hinders some controlled shaped stuff to be placed in it.

[TheAlmightySam]

I posted this in my build thread, but perhaps it will be useful here too. I came up with this the other day, which uses a Scepter can, but it should be adaptable to whatever water container you like:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61YszGZICVo

[GregB_00XJ]

^ good idea!

[Dirtytires]

Awesome. Thanks for sharing with us.

[Karma]

HI All,
As I read this thread I notice that not many folks mention how many gallons of water they either want to carry or actually do carry. Obviously these numbers will have a lot to with the type of carry system chosen.

Also, the type of expedition/camping trip envisioned is important. A trip across the Sahara is going to impose different water needs than a weekend camping trip.

Personally, I carry two 5 gal. Wedco blue water (Gerry) cans on my Jeep YJ Wrangler. This has proven more than adequate for my needs, even for a week long desert trip. Since they are mounted in special carriers on my top rack laying down with the long dimension pointing front to back, they are awkward to use unless you have a system that solves that problem. In my case, once filled the cans never leave the rack. To get to the water I use a self-priming siphon that works very well.

The cans, carriers, and siphons are available from Expedition Exchange.

Sparky

[3jarrells]

I've been kicking around a few ideas about PVC. I was thinking of running 3" under the bed rails of my truck. Which is unused space and with 3" can hold about 17.6 gallons. That being a crew cab bed, the three sides equaling 12 feet. The volume of the pipe being 4071.6 cu inches and water being 231 cu inches per gallon. This is a great tool here for figuring volume http://www.mathopenref.com/cylindervolume.html

Now, my concern with 3" is that it is not "rated for pressure" and it is meant for sewer i.e. non-potable. The 2" at Lowes is rated for drinking water. Even thought they both say schedule 40. The same set up with 2" would hold 7.8 gallons which would be fine for a three day weekend.

[TheAlmightySam]

I've been kicking around a few ideas about PVC. I was thinking of running 3" under the bed rails of my truck. Which is unused space and with 3" can hold about 17.6 gallons. That being a crew cab bed, the three sides equaling 12 feet. The volume of the pipe being 4071.6 cu inches and water being 231 cu inches per gallon. This is a great tool here for figuring volume http://www.mathopenref.com/cylindervolume.html

Now, my concern with 3" is that it is not "rated for pressure" and it is meant for sewer i.e. non-potable. The 2" at Lowes is rated for drinking water. Even thought they both say schedule 40. The same set up with 2" would hold 7.8 gallons which would be fine for a three day weekend.

Me thinks your math is a bit off. 12' of 3" PVC comes to roughly 4.4 gallons, not 17.6. Looks like you plugged in 3" as the radius, when it should have been 1.5", an easy mistake to make.

It's still a reasonable amount of water storage, but at that volume, a jerry can is easier, IMO.

[3jarrells]

Yep, Sam you are exactly right. Four inch pipe may be a bit obtrusive, for said 7.8 gallons.

I use one of those blue tanks that I always push as far forward as I can in the bed for better weight distribution. Then of course it never fails you need some water for lunch and have to unpack half the truck. With a four door truck its hard to get any weight on the front axle.

[Manimal]

Anyone know where one can buy the Black Scepter Water Cans these days?

Nevermind. Found them and bought them here: http://www.brigadeqm.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/store/level4c.tam?M5COPY.ctx=30989&M5.ctx=30989

[GregB_00XJ]

Here too... all colours.

https://dstactical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1381

Works awesome for me as they are in Canada and shipping is cheaps! I can also pick up.

[Manimal]

I ordered from Canada last time and they reamed me on shipping. This time shipping was free! Love these cans.

[GregB_00XJ]

I ordered from Canada last time and they reamed me on shipping. This time shipping was free! Love these cans.

Yup, I get the same thing ordering from the US. Silly...

[mk216v]

Great Scepter setup Sam, thanks for sharing!

Talking about wassertank bumpers;
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http://www.desert-service.com/shop/product_info.php?info=p97_Wassertank--Sto-stange-Mercedes-G.html
Water Tank-bumper Mercedes G, made ​​entirely of stainless steel, 55 liters, including drain cock.
And these guys are in Germany where it's sure to be freezing!

[postalWagon]

That Desert Service water bumper looks great. It would be a great way to balance the weight of my jeep. I may have to make one for my jeep.

[ckkone]

This is what I've started using. 7 gallons for 10.88 at the local *gasp* Walmart. I like that they are stackable, have a spigot, and fit in an ice chest, even though they don't look as cool as a jerry can that costs at least 2x the price. Great for car camping, day trips, etc. 1.75 for 7 gallons of water versus toting around a bunch of bottles? I'm down! :snorkel:

I use these ultra high-tech containers as well, some of the setups in this thread are mind-blasting.....

Notice how you can set them on a folding table with the spigot out over the edge...real fancy...you can even place them on an open tailgate...I know crazy talk...

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