Prime-time Television Episode Features Overland Journal

[Scott Brady]

For Immediate Release:
January 2, 2010


Prime-time Television Episode Features Overland Journal

Overland Journal was selected by Pangolin Pictures and the SPEED Channel for their prime-time television series Dangerous Drives, which will be broadcast to 78 million households worldwide.

Overland Journal will be featured in episode 12, which was produced in December 2009, and documents the testing procedures Overland Journal staff use to evaluate vehicles and equipment. “Overland Journal has a reputation of conducting the most exhaustive and abusive equipment testing in the industry, which piqued SPEED Channel’s interest in following along on one of our trips” says Scott Brady. For the testing, Overland Journal’s Publisher, Scott Brady and Senior Photographer, Sinuhe Xavier traveled through 500 miles of Utah backcountry testing American Expedition Vehicle’s (AEV) Brute and new Hemi powered Jeep Unlimited in the worst snow condition recorded in 40 years. The route ascended to over 8,000 feet, where the team encountered 40 inches of snow at the summit, requiring winching and progress at times measured in feet per hour.

In addition to testing the AEV trucks, Scott and his team were evaluating tents from Nemo Equipment, clothing from Arcteryx, Exofficio and Mountain Khaki, Lightforce lighting, BFGoodrich tires, ARB suspension components and rack/awning combination, and recovery equipment from Viking Offroad and Warn. Scott’s vehicle was the popular Overland JK, built by the Jeep Skunkworks team with components from AEV, ARB, Adventure Trailers, Equipt Expedition Outfitters and Mobil1.

This SPEED Channel episode and the recent coverage of Overland Journal in Forbes Magazine demonstrate the rapid growth of consumer interest in overland adventure travel.

About Overland Journal:
Overland Journal is dedicated to vehicle-supported expedition travel and exploration in North America and around the world. Perfect bound, and featuring over 130 pages of expedition vehicles, travel stories, equipment reviews, and conservation news, Overland Journal sets new standards in adventure travel journalism. Our international editorial staff collects the most captivating images and informative stories ever seen in a vehicle-centered publication.

Designed for readers who want in-depth information rather than sound bites, Overland Journal is content rich, with 10-plus page feature adventures and no story breaks. Skills and technical features offer a level of detail designed to produce competent and self-confident backcountry travelers.


www.overlandjournal.com | 928.777.8567 | service (at) overlandjournal.com

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[1leg]

http://www.speedtv.com/programs/dangerous-drives/episodes/

No mention of a date or time.

[Scott Brady]

Yeah, it looks like their schedule does not go out that far. They are on episode five at the moment, or so it appears.

I am expecting it will be sometime in Feb.?

[6string]

Congrats. :beer:

[thallca]

Scott;
This is just an idea, and something I would really like to see, but how about videotaping the equipment tests you do throughout the year and offer them for us to buy at the end of the year?
I have seen some of the videos that Sagen Media produced for you during the last April's Overland Expo and thought they were really well done. I think it would be a great addition to the overland community's library.

Also, how about some really nice Overland Journal magazine binders so we can save our copies of OJ from undue wear and tear?

Thanks

[trailsurfer]

Can't wait for the episode to air. How did the Brute perform on the trails?

[Sergeant_V]

Very cool! Congrats!

[1leglance]

Huge Congrats!
The more we can do to show that there are normal folks out enjoying the world in 4wd's vs the "hold my beer" crowd the better.

Great work.

[007]

I am so excited that the popularity of overlanding is increasing:victory:

I remember my dad telling me stories of all the places he used to travel in Montana before the massive closings took place. I could tell it saddened him that I would never be able to experience the adventures he had done.

The Expo and Overland Journal have rekindled my spirits that the adventure is still possible - albeit in more distant lands than here. :smiley_drive:

I look at my two year old daughter not with sadness, but a beam of hope that she will also get to experience this world on a personal level, not a bus tour at a park or on T.V.

Thanks for all that you've done people of Overland Journal and EXPO, It gives me the energy to fight the good fight. Blue ribbon here I come!:)

[Colorado David]

Scott, I've always suspected that you were from the future. Now it's confirmed. Your blog entry over on Overland Journal is dated Jan 5th. How are things going tomorrow?:coffeedrink:

Seriously, congratulations.

[Scott Brady]

Scott, I've always suspected that you were from the future.

You don't think all this "overlanding" stuff is really my day job do you ;)

[Christian P.]

Congrats Scott. But please don't make it too popular. Soon we'll find sand ladders at WalMart.

[jcbrandon]

Congratulations, Overland Journal-folk. I'll have at least two DVRs programmed as soon as the date is announced.

[WhereTheHellIsJames?]

Right on Scott... congrats to you again, as well as to the rest of the OJ family. I'll have to find someone with a TV to tape it for me, or Tivo it, or whatever they do now. :cool:

[Wander]

I'm looking forward to this! If all goes as planned and I get my series this month I'm planning on spending a lot of time in the garage but I'll keep an eye for the air date and I'll be sure to DVR it.

[Martyn]

Now I'll have to make friends with my neighbors as they have, electricity, TV's and cable.

[Scott Brady]

Can't wait for the episode to air. How did the Brute perform on the trails?

Mike

The Brute was too fun. 400HP and 38' tires on Hutchinson beadlocks. I am feeling the love. . .
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[Scott Brady]

Here are a few more images.
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[CanuckMariner]

Tuesdays 10 PM EST Speed Channel...post up when you hear this episode is on.

[adventureduo]

Congrats Scott and OJ Crew!


Mike

The Brute was too fun. 400HP and 38' tires on Hutchinson beadlocks. I am feeling the love. . .
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Dang, look at the steering... needs crossover! The whole axle is unsprung and the axle moved over , look at the coils! Wow. Great shot! :Wow1:

[trailsurfer]

Mike

The Brute was too fun. 400HP and 38' tires on Hutchinson beadlocks. I am feeling the love. . .
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2009/speed_channel/Speed_Channel_%20(3).jpg



I just was on the AEV forum, and this truck is now for sale, $62,000. That is one nice machine!

[Scott Brady]

Dang, look at the steering... needs crossover! The whole axle is unsprung and the axle moved over , look at the coils!

That is just because it is at full extension. ;)

[DaveM]

Very cool, congratulations!

[Trail Monkey]

That is just because it is at full extension. ;)

Yeah i think set of limiting straps and it would stay a bit tighter when unloaded. What a nice truck..! congrats Scott.. Is there any truth to the rumor you may be in the next James Bond movie?? or did i just start that rumor.. :wings:

[Overland Hadley]

Here are a few more images.

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Looks like it will be a great episode. Any update on the airing date?

[6string]

I am expecting it will be sometime in Feb.?

Been looking for it, but nothing. Any update you can give us?

[Willman]

congrats Scott.. Is there any truth to the rumor you may be in the next James Bond movie?? or did i just start that rumor.. :wings:



Scott getting out of the water in some baby blue swim trunks.......

I can see the women going crazy!!!!

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;)

[Overland Hadley]

Been looking for it, but nothing. Any update you can give us?

Airing this Wednesday, March 24th at 9:00 pm.

[Rexsname]

9:00 pm eastern standard time

[barlowrs]

6 PM pacific....Dangerous Drives "Extreme Off Road" :smiley_drive:...already set the DVR:wings::wings:

[dsy]

American Expedition Vehicles, Overland Journal and professional photographer Sinuhe Xavier will be featured on the SPEED Channel’s Dangerous Drives TV Show on March 24th at 9:00 PM EST.
The show documents the dangers of route planning, variable weather and general overland travel that occur while doing jobs that are 4WD dependent. Weather was the name of the game, with the team pulling into Moab in early December to the worst storm Moab had seen in 40 years. This caused some on the fly route changing and made product testing that much more difficult. Sub zero temperatures and up to 30” of snow for six days of camping made the normal Moab trails a bit more challenging to say the least. There was plenty of AEV gear on hand, Scott Brady had Chrysler's “Overland” JK on hand with a complete set of AEV gear on board as well as Dave Yegge’s Blue HEMI powered Brute and the newest AEV development and testing vehicle, AEV’s “Savegre” JK with the new VVT HEMI :wings:

[6string]

Airing this Wednesday, March 24th at 9:00 pm.

Thanks, bud. DVR set.

[fowldarr]

I need to remember to set my DVR for that tonight....

[datrupr]

I'll be setting my DVR tonight.

[Dendy Jarrett]

I checked for this last night (23rd) on speed, have done a title search, and cannot find any reference to this episode here. Are these things done regionally, or by cable provider?
I am on comcast.

I would love to see this episode. Anyone know of a youtube version of it?

Thanks
D

[dsy]

I checked for this last night (23rd) on speed, have done a title search, and cannot find any reference to this episode here. Are these things done regionally, or by cable provider?
I am on comcast.

I would love to see this episode. Anyone know of a youtube version of it?

Thanks
D

its on tonight not last night. If you get the speed channel you should be able to see it.

[Fireman78]

I've had my dvr thingy for 6 months, I guess I will finally try to use it tonihgt! Thanks for the heads up...

[Northern Explorer]

On Now

[Amauri]

:26_7_2:

[Overland Hadley]

I hope everybody has their DVR or VCR going. (Yes, some of us still use video tapes.)

[Amauri]

Great stuff guys! That Brute!! :drool::drool::drool:

[barlowrs]

That was great! Man I would give my spleen to have been on that trip (though I HIGHLY doubt my truck is capable enough to make that ledge.)

(and and when I say highly doubt..i mean NO WAY IN HELL)

I was lovin the look of that hemi jeep...actually I was loving all the rides!

What happened to the rovers passengers side headlight, I noticed it was "missing" after the frist night. Though I think he had plenty of light with that rack.

Great show and great trip guys!

[R_Lefebvre]

Ok so... it was fun to watch at and all. Good videography, cool trucks, etc.

But, did the producers really exaggerate things a lot, and ask you guys to say things? Like, the first "obstacle" the creek crossing. Scott decalres "that's pretty deep" and it's... about up to the middle of the wheel it appears. That's deep?

The ledge looked like it was hard to get up, no doubt. But where was the cliff that was threatening the vehicle? The cameraman is standing like 50 feet to the right of the truck, and there's a wall on the left side of the truck. So unless the cameraman was in a helicopter hovering over the cliff, I can't see where the cliff was? Maybe just the camera angles didn't show something I dunno. The show just struck me as being more "Man Vs. Wild" and less "Survivorman".

And then I gasped watching you guys winching off of the Jeep hooks, which was bad enough, but pulling almost 90* to the direction of the hook. :Wow1:

[Amauri]

What happened to the rovers passengers side headlight, I noticed it was "missing" after the frist night.



I was wondering the same thing.

[stevenmd]

...But, did the producers really exaggerate things a lot, and ask you guys to say things? Like, the first "obstacle" the creek crossing. Scott decalres "that's pretty deep" and it's... about up to the middle of the wheel it appears. That's deep?

The ledge looked like it was hard to get up, no doubt. But where was the cliff that was threatening the vehicle? The cameraman is standing like 50 feet to the right of the truck, and there's a wall on the left side of the truck. So unless the cameraman was in a helicopter hovering over the cliff, I can't see where the cliff was? Maybe just the camera angles didn't show something I dunno. The show just struck me as being more "Man Vs. Wild" and less "Survivorman".Yeah, I kinda thought the same thing. Maybe the camera took away from the angles? Although Scott looked a little chubby...:coffeedrink:


I was wondering the same thing.
x2!

[Overland Hadley]

The show just struck me as being more "Man Vs. Wild" and less "Survivorman".


Yup.

[Overland Hadley]

I was wondering the same thing.

x3

[wanderer-rrorc]

looked good guys!! the water crossing made me laugh..but overall it hit the majority of people that will wheel that trail..mild stockers and some adventure...

I didnt get to see all of it..the wifes "IDOL" show was on...but I wanna watch it online to see it complete..

glad to see the west coast boys got a taste of what snow and ice wheelin is like..and WHY I dont do it anymore!!:elkgrin:

[RogerH]

I really enjoyed it! I wish there was more coverage of this type. I was more focused on the video, not on the dialogue. Great adventure guys! :smiley_drive:

[Scott Brady]

And then I gasped watching you guys winching off of the Jeep hooks, which was bad enough, but pulling almost 90* to the direction of the hook. :Wow1:

Again Rob, your engineering prowess is always remarkable.

You may find it interesting to know, that the Jeep and the hook mounted to it was owned by the very engineer who load and performanced tested that hook :rolleyes:

[Scott Brady]

looked good guys!! the water crossing made me laugh..but overall it hit the majority of people that will wheel that trail..mild stockers and some adventure...


Glad you liked it. I was really fun to do, and the crew was great. But it is "television":ylsmoke:

[AFSOC]

I think we're being too critical, the show was fine. Scott didn't really look any chubbier, some of the dialogue was probably just taken out of context, and the rest was no doubt necessary to create a compelling story. When you pit it against the crap on the other channels I think it stacked up pretty well. The two AEVs were well worth an hour of my life, sweet rigs.

[Scott Brady]

x3

Sinuhe's headlight issue was hilarious. I will post some pictures tomorrow.

Overall, that Rover was a trooper, and impressed everyone, including the AEV boys.

[Fireman78]

OK.. I think I figured out how to record with DVR.. now I'm trying to find the damn show. I feel like the slow kid in class here. I can count my TV shows watched in the last month or two on one hand.

[Dendy Jarrett]

Awesome show!! Very relevant and hope to see more.
Scott was that Sinuhe's personal truck, ... or was he driving your DI?

Very enjoyable ... it was like Expedition Portal ... come to life!

Dendy

[kcowyo]

For the DVR/technoligically challenged, non-cable having members who want to see this episode, it should be available in its entirety for free on Hulu, in a matter of days...


Dangerous Drives on Hulu - (http://www.hulu.com/dangerous-drives)


:lurk:
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[barlowrs]

This also leads me to my next question...Scott, if you ever retire, I want to take your place!!!:victory:

Man you got a nice gig going for you!

[02TahoeMD]

Cool stuff, just watched it on the DVR. Congrats on the episode, hope it helps bring Overland Journal & A.E.V. some business. Looking forward to hearing about the missing headlight.....

[trailsurfer]

I just watched it on the DVR. Great show and fantastic driving. I have camped right next to the creek that they were worried about, and it could of been a disaster to cross with enough precip.

[sinuhexavier]

Scott was that Sinuhe's personal truck, ... or was he driving your DI?


That was my truck.

As for the cliff, here is a shot of it in the summer. You can see the DII on the lower left of the frame. The narration clearly didn't match the image.


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[Ryanmb21]

That was great! Man I would give my spleen to have been on that trip (though I HIGHLY doubt my truck is capable enough to make that ledge.)

(and and when I say highly doubt..i mean NO WAY IN HELL)

I was lovin the look of that hemi jeep...actually I was loving all the rides!

What happened to the rovers passengers side headlight, I noticed it was "missing" after the frist night. Though I think he had plenty of light with that rack.

Great show and great trip guys! what he said, really fun to watch.

[Fireman78]

I got dibs on next year!!! MAN that was AWESOME!!!!!! What a pre-curser to EXPO. I will totally sacrifice my Power Wagon to hang with you dudes.

[Amauri]

I'm in on a replicate Expo trip next year, that would be awesome. Just no cheesy narration. :smiley_drive:

[Haggis]

That was a fun show, it was nice to see folks we "know" doing stuff we all love to do. The rigs were awesome and the snow covered canyonlands was a compelling backdrop. The narrative...well it's all dangerously and stuff.

Watched it with the family and here were a lighthearted comments as we watched...

From the Boy.."Dad lets play "punchbug" every time they have that Sinuhe guy says Death or Dead."

From the Girl..."That Scott seems like a nice guy, but does he remind anybody else of a grown up Charlie Brown?"

From the Wife..."I wish we had a Brute to break trail on the ride to work with some of the snowstorms we had this winter. Now I know why you hate snow wheeling."

From Me..."Just what the heck is Sinuhe cooking there? Dang it forget about another Jeep shot lets get more of a close up on that meal!" :elkgrin:

[R_Lefebvre]

Again Rob, your engineering prowess is always remarkable.

You may find it interesting to know, that the Jeep and the hook mounted to it was owned by the very engineer who load and performanced tested that hook :rolleyes:


Nice.

I'm just basing my comment on the often stated general danger of hooks. Including OEM hooks that have been thoroughly tested. I actually don't have a big problem and have used them for light pulls, but figured you were in the hook=death camp with everyone else. I did think that pulling sideways on one presented a considerable risk of the rope slipping off. You're not pulling into the hook, but across it.


As for the cliff, here is a shot of it in the summer. You can see the DII on the lower left of the frame. The narration clearly didn't match the image.

That's not the part I was talking about. I was talking about the ledge you guys had to climb. The trail was going up, not down, cliff supposedly on the right.

[voyageur]

Well, I watched it, I recorded it and I enjoyed it. I did think there was way too much; macho, wheel spinning, big V8; footage. I think it made the smaller engined, smaller tired, less gas burning Discovery look real bad. Of course, I own two Discovery's and I don't ever spin my tires. I do rotate them twice a year.

Two questions:

Was that snow real?

How come nobody chained up or used cables? I lived and drove in the Colorado Rockies, where 4WD was an every day requirement. We were building homes and condos, in a community near Winter Park. The drive up "Bear's Paw Drive" drive was all "on the edge", snow covered gravel all winter. At the time, I had a great Toyota FJ55. Always chained up front wheels on the really bad days and never had a problem.

All the locals (including me) ran narrow, tall tires to cut through the crust and try to get to the hard stuff. Nobody ran, wide, high-flotation tires.


:victory:

Anyway... I guess this sounds like criticism, maybe it is. Anyhoo I mean it all in a nice way - I am just old.

[R_Lefebvre]

I didn't think the Disco came off bad at all. The mere fact that it was on the same route as the other, much more built trucks, made it look good. Not to mention the fact it was often leading the way.

[voyageur]

Rob,

They never even showed the cup-holders. That is my favorite upgrade...


:wings:

[chirigringo]

Great show. I'd like to make plans to retrace that route or the originally planned route. I'm also happy to finally know how "Sinuhe" is pronounced.
-Michael

[Scott Brady]

Rob,

There is nothing wrong with a properly rated hook for the load. Every new Warn and Superwinch, etc. ships with a hook.

That TJ hook is rated for more than light pulls, infact, it is rated to near frame-bending pulls. The Jeep engineer who field performance and load tested that hook was standing right there. I wont mention the MBS on that hook, as it is not for public consumption, but it is many times higher than GVWR.

It is just the spreading of misinformation that got my hackles up. . . some forum reader will look at your comment and think "I should remove these dangerous recovery points from my TJ". Nothing could be further from the truth.

[XJBANKER]

I enjoyed it and it was worth an hour of my life, but I agree with the machoness that came across as a death defying trip. I thought it was funny that my wife was not impressed, she said I haven't seen anything that we havent done before, but that is coming from a girl who has driven off a four foot ledge in moab and has watched us do white knuckle as well. I told her it is a lot different in the snow, and then she mentioned our northern utah providence canyon trip spinning tires locked fron and rear climbing bolders covered in ice.

I guess it depends on what eyes you are looking with. I had more of an adventure view and thought that it was fun to watch something that I have an interest in with guys that I respect. Also it was better than most of the crap that is on TV. I do agree that I did not like the sideways pull on the brute, but was just thinking there might have not been room to get a straight on shot at it. AS FOR ANGLES. My moab photos never and I mean never show the steepness of what you are driving on. Something about TV never reflecting real life for good or bad.

The hardest thing about watching it for me is I am going from Rock Crawler to Adventurer. I would have liked to see better shots of the tents, and food that was cooking.


OVERALL FABULOUS JOB!

[TCM]

That's not the part I was talking about. I was talking about the ledge you guys had to climb. The trail was going up, not down, cliff supposedly on the right.

I have driven the trail in question, and it is not so much a cliff to the right but a short drop that would result in multiple roll overs if you happened to go over it. You would survive, but your vehicle would not.

[Scott Brady]

So, the headlight. . .

The little Discovery was a champ. It is Sinuhe's personal vehicle, and built to drive that type of terrain. The only place it couldn't be in the lead was in the three-foot deep snow. And it had company. My Overland JK couldn't break trail either, even with 35" tires. It took the Brute to break trail.

So, we were rallying along a wide, dirt road, having a little fun. Lets call it spirited driving. . . The headlights on the Disco are held in place with little itty bitty ball and clips. Sinuhe was driving at a spirited pace too, and hit a ditch a little too hard and pop, goes the headlight.

But, unfortunately he didn't know that, and drove a few more miles with the headlight resting on the front bumper. Well, not exactly resting.

We had all stopped, and Sinuhe came rolling up some time later, with his headlight hanging from the harness like something out of mad max - we all had a good laugh, and he finished the trip as the one-eyed wonder.
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Seriously, that Disco was amazing and Sinuhe did a great job driving it. It had 2" smaller tires than anything else on the trip, nearly 2' shorter wheel base and a fraction of the hp (less than half of the Brute). Even Harriton was impressed by the end of it.

Oh. and did I mention it was COLD!
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[TCM]

Rob,

There is nothing wrong with a properly rated hook for the load. Every new Warn and Superwinch, etc. ships with a hook.

That TJ hook is rated for more than light pulls, infact, it is rated to near frame-bending pulls. The Jeep engineer who field performance and load tested that hook was standing right there. I wont mention the MBS on that hook, as it is not for public consumption, but it is many times higher than GVWR.

It is just the spreading of misinformation that got my hackles up. . . some forum reader will look at your comment and think "I should remove these dangerous recovery points from my TJ". Nothing could be further from the truth.

Funny that everyone is so focused on the hook. They can handle the load of a pull like that without difficulty. What is more likely to be damage in a side pull is the track bar assemble especially the tie rod end on the frame mount. And if that broke then the entire front suspension would be put to rest in short order. The front unit bearings are not really designed to handle side loads of that nature either. But in everyones defense, I know the trail where this pull took place and there was not room to line up the Brute to face the other vehicles. It was a case of doing what you must to continue up the trail. Especially when the cameras are running.

[pray4surf]

In case anyone missed this showing, here are your other chances

Dangerous Drives, "Extreme Off Road", SPEEDHD Mar 30 10:00 PM
Dangerous Drives, "Extreme Off Road", SPEED Mar 30 10:00 PM
Dangerous Drives, "Extreme Off Road", SPEEDHD Mar 31 2:00 AM
Dangerous Drives, "Extreme Off Road", SPEED Mar 31 2:00 AM
Dangerous Drives, "Extreme Off Road", SPEEDHD Mar 31 10:00 AM

Well done Scott and Sinuhe! Thoroughly enjoyed the episode and man are those American Expedition Vehicles bad-***** :Wow1:

[I Leak Oil]

I went into watching it with the mindset that it is just a TV show, nothing more. I found it interesting, it was good to put faces to names even if not in person and reaffirmed my desire to visit that area some day. And yes, I too found out how to pronounce the name Sinuhe.

Fault can be found, or can attempt to be found, in anything if you look hard enough. I personally choose to use my energy on more productive efforts. I could care less about the narrative and I'm sure those who went on the trip were more than qualified to use the hook as they did. Would love to see more of this type of thing....

[R_Lefebvre]

Rob,

There is nothing wrong with a properly rated hook for the load. Every new Warn and Superwinch, etc. ships with a hook.

That TJ hook is rated for more than light pulls, infact, it is rated to near frame-bending pulls. The Jeep engineer who field performance and load tested that hook was standing right there. I wont mention the MBS on that hook, as it is not for public consumption, but it is many times higher than GVWR.

It is just the spreading of misinformation that got my hackles up. . . some forum reader will look at your comment and think "I should remove these dangerous recovery points from my TJ". Nothing could be further from the truth.

I agree with that. I see a lot of "hook=death" comments posted all over the net, including here. Rover owners seem to be the worst culprits. Personally, I don't have a problem with them, and have used them to pull on Jeeps myself. As long as you're aware of their limitations, and act accordingly, I think they're fine. It's like anything else. I'd be more hesitant to use a farm store hook, but something from the Jeep factory... no problem.

My questions wasn't about the strength at all, even sideways strength. I just meant that when you're not pulling *into* the hook, the rope is at greater risk of slipping off.

I'm cool with a "Yeah, I know it wasn't ideal, but we didn't have a choice, everybody was standing clear, and we had a TV show to shoot so we took the chance."

When I said I gasped, it was mostly because I know how careful you are with providing advice on proper recovery, etc. So I was surprised they showed that. There wasn't even a "this could slip off and we could all die!" comment. ;)


I have driven the trail in question, and it is not so much a cliff to the right but a short drop that would result in multiple roll overs if you happened to go over it. You would survive, but your vehicle would not.


Ok, cool. I can see the camera not giving it justice. I was just looking for the "cliff".

[Scott Brady]

I do agree that I did not like the sideways pull on the brute, but was just thinking there might have not been room to get a straight on shot at it

There was no room, it had to be parked at an angle, right up against a 5' ledge. It was impressive that the BFGs held on the ice and snow.

Yep, it never looks as bad as it is.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=39229&stc=1&d=1269531386

Here is a tent pic for you :D The Nemo stuff is sweet.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=39230&stc=1&d=1269531386

Remember guys, this is television. Never assume that any clip or any audio outtake happened in the order shown.

[R_Lefebvre]

So, we were rallying along a wide, dirt road, having a little fun. Lets call it spirited driving. . . The headlights on the Disco are held in place with little itty bitty ball and clips. Sinuhe was driving at a spirited pace too, and hit a ditch a little too hard and pop, goes the headlight.

But, unfortunately he didn't know that, and drove a few more miles with the headlight resting on the front bumper. Well, not exactly resting.

We had all stopped, and Sinuhe came rolling up some time later, with his headlight hanging from the harness like something out of mad max - we all had a good laugh, and he finished the trip as the one-eyed wonder.


Sounds exactly like what happened to my reverse/rear fog light. :elkgrin: The stupid clips holding it into the bumper let go at some point on a 5 hour trip, and the light was dangling from the wiring. Unfortunately... right in front of the exhaust outlet! The damn thing melted!

[barlowrs]

I didn't think the Disco came off bad at all. The mere fact that it was on the same route as the other, much more built trucks, made it look good. Not to mention the fact it was often leading the way.

+1...that little disco impressed the hell out of me...yeah, you had monster jeeps with monster tires and monster engines plowing though the track, but that disco was RIGHT there with them, usually leading the way! :smiley_drive: just because it doesn't look as big and mean as the others (I love how it looks, very expedition-ish) the fact is, it was still there, holding on with the rest. The rig was excellent and obviously, to keep up with the larger beasts, so was the driving. (everyones drivign was good, not knocking anyone!)

Great job Sinuhe! (Great job everyone)

[R_Lefebvre]

I think it shows the real capability of a lighter built truck. Sure, if you've got a 3 foot shelf to climb, you're going to have to winch. But, so what, that's why you brought a winch! But other than the real hard bits, a light truck can keep up (especially if it's a Land Rover! :D ). You don't need 38" tires and a 4" lift to run a lot of trails. And, the Land Rover didn't have to be trailered to the trail. ;)

[XJBANKER]

Next time you head to any of those Southern Utah areas, let me know and I am in...... i know I am way down the list of poeple to invite, but when my turn arrives let me know :victory:

[kcowyo]

I've done my fair share of southern Utah, and Lockhart is the only trail I've suffered any body damage from. When I saw the team was going to try it in snow, I knew it was going to be good viewing!

I think Dave Harriton deserves mad props for taking six figures worth of his vehicles on the trip in those conditions. Most others certainly would have taken a raincheck. I hope his insurance carrier wasn't watching last night, lol!

Shame the weather prohibited seeing much of the scenery, but I understand the show was about focusing on the vehicles. Glad to see the Brute back and getting some publicity - an amazing machine.

.

[Scott Brady]

It has hit iTunes. . .

[toyrunner95]

($*@&!) I missed it! I was watching south park.

[05LR3AZ]

It has hit iTunes. . .


Thanks!

[Monkeyboy]

Well done guys. It was as good an excuse as any to go home and watch an hour of TeeVee :)

I had to wonder how many Jeep marketing guys were watching and hoping that there wasn't too big a deal made of the ten year old nearly stock looking Disco either leading or at least keeping up with the mucho dinero Alphabet (X...J...F...P...Q..whatever) Jeeps.

You could probably talk me into swaping the 109 for one of them "Brute" things.....
;)

Cheers,

KAA

[R_Lefebvre]

10? It was 15. And an almost 25 year old design! ;)

[Monkeyboy]

Time flies.....heck, mine is 5 years older than Sinuhe's!

Though not nearly as photogenic....no wait, that's me:)

[pskhaat]

Itunes link?

[Dendy Jarrett]

To the point on the show in general. I think everyone needs to keep in mind that this as a "made for TV" show. Those of us that do this a bit, know the perils and probably didn't understand as well the emphasis placed on the potential for roll-over, destruction, or death. However, the general audience needs to be made aware and be captivated by the program.

I thought it was very well done.

Many say the same complaint about Man vs. Wild, but I love the show (as does my 6 year old- Bear is one of his super heros!), but let's face it, ... even with a support team, there are things that they do that, ... "I don't care how much back up you have", I ain't doin!

I mean, I don't care how hungry I am ... I am not eating a bat or rhino beetle!

Additionally, I wouldn't have lit across MOAB with only 15 extra gallons of petrol! Brave on you!

D

[Scott Brady]

Additionally, I wouldn't have lit across MOAB with only 15 extra gallons of petrol! Brave on you!
D

Just as a point of clarification, we had 15 gallons extra for each truck. It was only the Brute that took extra fuel (because it was breaking trail).

As an interesting note, the LR got the best fuel economy of the group, by several MPG.

[barlowrs]

Just as a point of clarification, we had 15 gallons extra for each truck. It was only the Brute that took extra fuel (because it was breaking trail).

As an interesting note, the LR got the best fuel economy of the group, by several MPG.

I'd imagine that hemi was buring through gas too, esp when you opened her up on the second day haha :smiley_drive:

[Scott Brady]

I'd imagine that hemi was buring through gas too, esp when you opened her up on the second day haha :smiley_drive:

That was another interesting discovery. The Hemi JK actually got better fuel economy than the V6 JK.

[jcbrandon]

Well done. Congratulations to all involved. I enjoyed the program so much I'm watching it again now.

[Scott Brady]

It just hit #1 for the most popular episode on iTunes ;)

[XJBANKER]

It just hit #1 for the most popular episode on iTunes ;)

Can I request my next Overland Journal to be a signed copy so when you are famous I will have something to hand down to my children?

[voyageur]

Repeating my question; for those that were there. How come no traction enhancers on the tires. I lived and drove in similar conditions, for eleven winters of Rocky Mountain Wonderland... We always chained up front axle in the conditions you encountered...

Occasionally, rarely, both axles...

Thanks in advance for any explanation.

[Larry]

I caught the episode first thing this morning. I thought it was a great! You could see a little bit of Hollywood drama the production crew threw in but still the best thing I have seen on TV that has really interested me in a long time.

The vehicles were great! All of them. Vehicles are just tools but if the person using that tool doesn’t know what they are doing even the best vehicle can be a failure off road. It seems everybody driving these rigs knew exactly what they were doing….including using the TOW HOOKS! LOL

Nice work! :victory:

[Scott Brady]

Repeating my question; for those that were there. How come no traction enhancers on the tires. I lived and drove in similar conditions, for eleven winters of Rocky Mountain Wonderland... We always chained up front axle in the conditions you encountered...

Occasionally, rarely, both axles...

Thanks in advance for any explanation.

The AEV boys have snow circulating through their veins ;) They brought no tire chains, as it was part of the evaluation. We ran 1 psi in the Brute tires, and 7-10 in the other vehicles.

We did have chains for the Disco, but it never demanded them. I am careful to install chains if rocks are just below the surface, both to keep from scaring the rocks and to protect the chains.

[voyageur]

Scott (et al),

First of all let me say (embarrassed tone of voice) I never thought of potential rock damage. It would be just like driving across the delicate Tundra. Tire tracks last for hundreds of years...

I was just curious because of my past experiences. I am going to go watch the show again and I may need to watch it again later...

A couple of my female friends asked if you were married and if you were going to have your own TV series... "SCOTT FREE". Theme song to the tune of Born Free...

:bowdown:

[Scott Brady]

A couple of my female friends asked if you were married and if you were going to have your own TV series... "SCOTT FREE". Theme song to the tune of Born Free...

LOL

Yes. I have been married to my high school sweetheart for nearly 17 years. She is my much better half.

[Scott Brady]

Oh, but Jeremy reminded me that he is single, and was featured at 5:51. :elkgrin:

[voyageur]

Howdy Jeremy. I will have to get the "Girls" back together and do a freeze frame...

It sure looked as if you all had a great time.

[MC4X4]

Hi all, Does anyone know how I can watch this outside of the US. I am in Australia.
cheers Mark

[Ryanmb21]

For the DVR/technoligically challenged, non-cable having members who want to see this episode, it should be available in its entirety for free on Hulu, in a matter of days...


Dangerous Drives on Hulu - (http://www.hulu.com/dangerous-drives)


:lurk:
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Hi all, Does anyone know how I can watch this outside of the US. I am in Australia.
cheers Mark
Check out the hulu link above you can watch on the internet.

[MC4X4]

Check out the hulu link above you can watch on the internet.

Hulu wont play outside of the us the same with itunes, we have our own itunes but it doesnt have speed.

help anyone
cheers Mark

[FJR Colorado]

Perhaps the best program Speed Channel has ever shown...

Mega-Kudos, Gents!

[R_Lefebvre]

Many say the same complaint about Man vs. Wild, but I love the show (as does my 6 year old- Bear is one of his super heros!), but let's face it, ... even with a support team, there are things that they do that, ... "I don't care how much back up you have", I ain't doin!


I've tried to watch Man vs. Wild a few times and I just can't get through an episode. I can't stand things that are supposed to be real, but are so obviously faked. Yeah, if you're lost in the wild, don't try to climb a cliff to escape. Then you'll die for sure.



Perhaps the best program Speed Channel has ever shown...

I don't know about "ever", but it's been a long time.

[Overland Hadley]

Would love to see more of this type of thing....

Yes, indeed.

[07 Elephant]

I didn't find this episode on hulu.

[datrupr]

It wont be available until probably next week.

[07 Elephant]

thanks.

I'll go search att uverse lineup for a reply and record it on the dvr.

[07 Elephant]

Got it. Tuesday at 8pm CT I think. Looking forward to it.

[sinuhexavier]

Repeating my question; for those that were there. How come no traction enhancers on the tires. I lived and drove in similar conditions, for eleven winters of Rocky Mountain Wonderland... We always chained up front axle in the conditions you encountered...

Occasionally, rarely, both axles...

Thanks in advance for any explanation.

I grew up in Montana... I've never owned a set of chains and have never needed a set.

[pskhaat]

I grew up in Montana... I've never owned a set of chains and have never needed a set.

I have not seen the episode (I don't get cable TV) so might not understand the "conditions" as the earlier poster stated, but seriously you've never had the situation/opportunity to employ chains? Used correctly (and responsibly) the traction they provide on all four tires is nothing less than night-and-day comparison even with the best tread & compounds.

[blaze one]

Overall I really enjoyed the episode . Hopefully there may be more like it from some one or people in the future .

I agree with a previous post ... Jeep Marketing may cringe that it looked like the lead truck(for a fair amount of the shots ) was LAND ROVER on 33's ... though it did add confidence for people that can't afford $60,000 + rigs . It sure made me think "better" of my ol' 1992 XJ on 31's ...

it was also nice to see that there was more emphisis on driving and less on promotion of products . It was not like a 1hr commercial about AEV or JEEP or etc .

I just gotta ask though ... why didn't someone cover up the fire wood on top of the JK ? I hate wet fire wood :)

[AEV Conversions]

Actually this was the only time I ever been in a situation where chains would have actually helped. The snow wasn't powder that you could blow through and wasn't packable either so you could get up top, more like depthhoar, just 30" of ****ty non-packable snow with a bottom to it. Normally we don't have a bottom so chains are pretty much useless to us and I don't think anyone here even owns a set. Useless in MT.

Great trip and I thought the vid came out great, especially for the non 4wd person who doesn't really know much about the activity. It was some cold camping though! Maybe a little too dramatic, but hey its TV and I'll stand up for Sinuhe's death comments, because the crew would always ask "what could happen here? could you die?" and then we had to kind of answer with a rephrase of the question...oh well. Hopefully we get to do another!

dh

[upcruiser]

Great episode! I downloaded it to my iphone and watched it while packing tonight. Those trails definately look to have a whole new element to them in those conditions. I hope this segment leads the way to more programming of a similar nature. Nice work gentlemen!

[sinuhexavier]

I have not seen the episode (I don't get cable TV) so might not understand the "conditions" as the earlier poster stated, but seriously you've never had the situation/opportunity to employ chains? Used correctly (and responsibly) the traction they provide on all four tires is nothing less than night-and-day comparison even with the best tread & compounds.

There may have been times when chains could have gotten me through something better or more effectively, but the reality is I guess I'll never know.

Besides that winter camping is over rated and it's not very highly rated to begin with...

[pray4surf]

Actually this was the only time I ever been in a situation where chains would have actually helped. The snow wasn't powder that you could blow through and wasn't packable either so you could get up top, more like depthhoar, just 30" of ****ty non-packable snow with a bottom to it. Normally we don't have a bottom so chains are pretty much useless to us and I don't think anyone here even owns a set. Useless in MT.

Great trip and I thought the vid came out great, especially for the non 4wd person who doesn't really know much about the activity. It was some cold camping though! Maybe a little too dramatic, but hey its TV and I'll stand up for Sinuhe's death comments, because the crew would always ask "what could happen here? could you die?" and then we had to kind of answer with a rephrase of the question...oh well. Hopefully we get to do another!

dh

Speaking of the film crew, did they ride with you guys - or did they have their own vehicle that was always off camera? Did they have any off-roading experience prior to this trip? What an introduction if not.

I bet the out-takes would be a blast to watch.

Rick

[sinuhexavier]

It was their first time doing anything like it, first time in Southern Utah.

They were completely blown away, to say the least.

[Corey]

I thought it was a good show, watched it when I got home from work yesterday.

I have driven snow covered logging/back country roads like that with sheer drop offs in the snow, and it is pretty nerve racking whether going up or down hill.
Sliding towards the edge is a big pucker factor.

[R_Lefebvre]

Maybe a little too dramatic, but hey its TV and I'll stand up for Sinuhe's death comments, because the crew would always ask "what could happen here? could you die?" and then we had to kind of answer with a rephrase of the question...oh well.

Ok, that's the answer to the question I was trying to ask.


I have not seen the episode (I don't get cable TV) so might not understand the "conditions" as the earlier poster stated, but seriously you've never had the situation/opportunity to employ chains? Used correctly (and responsibly) the traction they provide on all four tires is nothing less than night-and-day comparison even with the best tread & compounds.

I've lived in Canada all my life, and I've never used chains either. Don't know where you'd even buy them if you wanted to. They practically don't exist up here. I always get a kick out of hearing how they're required in California to drive the mountains. Though, I could see the potential usefullness if you're snow-wheeling.

For the most part, people just know how to drive in the snow, have proper tires and we have good snow removal crews who keep the roads clear. If we have a crazy snow storm (such as Gravenhurst that got 36" in 2 days), people just stay home until the roads get plowed. Emergency services get around on snowmobiles if required. And people go "off-roading" on snowmobiles, which are vastly more suited than any chained wheels.

In fact, that's a big part of the reason why we don't go "snow wheeling" up here even if we wanted to. The snowmobiles legally own the trails from November to May, and we're not allowed on them.


Besides that winter camping is over rated and it's not very highly rated to begin with...

You'd have been more comfortable if you built quinzhees in the snow. ;) Winter camping in tents does suck.

[AEV Conversions]

Yeah imagine what I was thinking...early winter...Dec 7th, 30" of fresh snow in front of us and I'm sitting here in the Jeep at 3:00am going 0.003mph...and my new SkiDoo REV 800 is warm and dry sitting in the garage...arghhhh.....

dh

[Momrocks]

Speaking of the film crew, did they ride with you guys - or did they have their own vehicle that was always off camera?

So what did the crew drive?

How well did they adapt to winter camping?
`

[tdesanto]

Oh, but Jeremy reminded me that he is single, and was featured at 5:51. :elkgrin:

Hilarious. Maybe next time, Jeremy could do what Barney Stinson did during a superbowl ad?

39262

[tdesanto]

That was another interesting discovery. The Hemi JK actually got better fuel economy than the V6 JK.

Due to lower required RPMs?

[Scott Brady]

So what did the crew drive?

How well did they adapt to winter camping?
`

They rode along with all of us. The production crew were consummate professionals. When SPEED Channel first contacted me, that was my primary concern. Could the film crew handle real life intense situations (potential) and extreme weather. These guys were the real deal and had no issue. Andy, the on-site producer was a class act and serious adventurer in his own right.

[Scott Brady]

Due to lower required RPMs?

It was a combination of manual transmission and the VVT with such a rich, available torque band. I cannot tell you how exceptional that motor is. In fact, that 4-door JK is the most capable overall vehicle I have ever driven. 80mph with the cruise set to 7 second 0-60 times to 4+ trails.

[R_Lefebvre]

Due to lower required RPMs?

It's not uncommon for a gasoline engine scenario. When a gas engine is being worked hard, it starts running on a richer part of the map with less spark timing and EGR, because of the high load. A larger engine with more power will be less loaded doing the same job, and operating in a more efficient range.

When very lightly loaded, say cruising at 60mph, both engines would be running at peak efficiency and the smaller engine should win on fuel economy.

[ChuckB]

It was a combination of manual transmission and the VVT with such a rich, available torque band. I cannot tell you how exceptional that motor is. In fact, that 4-door JK is the most capable overall vehicle I have ever driven. 80mph with the cruise set to 7 second 0-60 times to 4+ trails.

Scott you just answered on of my questions, it looked like the 4-dr JK was a manual, but it was hard to tell during the show.

Is the D1 also a manual?

I really enjoyed it!!

[Scott Brady]

Sinuhe's DI is an automatic 1999 SD. His previous truck was a 5-speed. I bet he likes having the auto in LA, but probably misses rowing his own out on the open road and trail.

[RoverMack]

Besides that winter camping is over rated and it's not very highly rated to begin with...

Enjoyed the show,well done and by far the best in the series, (the "exaggerated" made for TV drama is only to be expected and could easily have been much worse.)

My 12yr old finished your sentence "there are two ways to die in the desert...."

After experiencing the questionable allure of snow camping firsthand I can honestly say it must be an acquired masochistic taste. It was cold enough watching:)

[toyrunner95]

I bought it on i tunes. Is there a way we can get the sound track?

[Dendy Jarrett]

Purchased it on iTunes as well!

[dirtysouth]

Dangerous Drives is on now in case you guys missed it.

[MC4X4]

Is this going to be available on DVD for us guys who are not in the US
cheers Mark

[Monkeyboy]

Sinuhe's DI is an automatic 1999 SD. His previous truck was a 5-speed. I bet he likes having the auto in LA, but probably misses rowing his own out on the open road and trail.

The '95 continues to "Rover on" in ABQ these days :)

[Scenic WonderRunner]

I finally got to see this today.

I really enjoyed it.

Awesome Job Guys! Great work!


Keep Going....:victory:



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[Willman]

Still waiting for Hulu to post it.....

[4xdog]

It was super to see some highly technical four-wheeling on TV. Nice job, guys.

But I gotta say, I was underwhelmed by the overly dramatic sense of danger that everyone brought to the program. The commentary had to suit the Dangerous Drives theme, I guess, but I thought the near over-the-top implication of certain death was too much.

When I go into the wild, I do everything possible to minimize the danger. Just like when I bicycle commute to work -- I'm doing it 'cause I enjoy it, and I'm doing everything I can to minimize risk. Sure I *could* die, but I'm trying hard to stay as far away from that as possible, and I don't dwell on it.

The pressures of TV, I guess. I'd be very surprised if the experienced bunch of expedition travelers seeks out danger and high risk situations like the program made it sound.

Don

[Scenic WonderRunner]

It was super to see some highly technical four-wheeling on TV. Nice job, guys.

But I gotta say, I was underwhelmed by the overly dramatic sense of danger that everyone brought to the program. The commentary had to suit the Dangerous Drives theme, I guess, but I thought the near over-the-top implication of certain death was too much.

When I go into the wild, I do everything possible to minimize the danger. Just like when I bicycle commute to work -- I'm doing it 'cause I enjoy it, and I'm doing everything I can to minimize risk. Sure I *could* die, but I'm trying hard to stay as far away from that as possible, and I don't dwell on it.

The pressures of TV, I guess. I'd be very surprised if the experienced bunch of expedition travelers seeks out danger and high risk situations like the program made it sound.

Don


I've been on 500' to 1000'/2000' ++ foot cliff side trails.

The threat IS Real.

Especially when slick!

They did Not over state it.


An Awesome trip that we can all learn from!





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[pskhaat]

Genuinely looking forward to seeing the episode once it reaches 20th-century media. The Million $ Highway episode was a over-the-top on drama concerning Hwy 550; sounds like this is more "real."

[BigAl]

I don't know how I missed this thread... jsut caught the show last night. I was impressed with the brute. Engine swaps are always trouble but if anythng was going to overheat or go bang it would have happened plowing snow like that:ylsmoke: Looks like they built a solid truck.

[Desert Dan]

I saw it on the Speed Channel yesterday.

What a great trip and test of the trucks and equipment in the deep snow.

[CanuckMariner]

Enjoyed the episode, especially the photography.

A bit dramatic (hence the series title) which made it sound like death was around each corner at times and that off roading is a dangerous sport and we that do it, must be nuts!

[fowldarr]

I've watched it three times now, my wife just walks by and rolls her eyes.

[Desert Dan]

Let us know if it will be repeated or viable on line etc.

[gahill2]

Congrats guys...have it recorded on DVR. It was a great episode.

[MC4X4]

does anyone know were I can get a copy of this, I am in Australia and we dont get speed.
cheers Mark

[sinuhexavier]

You can download it on itunes.

Search Dangerous Drives: Extreme Off Roading

[MC4X4]

You can download it on itunes.

Search Dangerous Drives: Extreme Off Roading

thanks for the reply Sinuhe, but our itunes is different to the one in the states.
I loved your story in OJ on Rock and snow, great pics.

Do you know wether this is going to be available on DVD from speed, it looks like that is the only way I am going to be able to see it.

cheers Mark

[kenallwine]

thanks for the reply Sinuhe, but our itunes is different to the one in the states.
I loved your story in OJ on Rock and snow, great pics.

Do you know wether this is going to be available on DVD from speed, it looks like that is the only way I am going to be able to see it.

cheers Mark

If you have access to hulu.com watch for it to be posted there. They have 10 of the episodes posted so far. But this one isn't one of them yet.

[MC4X4]

If you have access to hulu.com watch for it to be posted there. They have 10 of the episodes posted so far. But this one isn't one of them yet.

hulu is US only aswell
cheers MC

[MC4X4]

managed to get a US itunes account, loved the show, just wasnt long enough
cheers Mark

[nwoods]

It's up on Hulu!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/137331/dangerous-drives-extreme-off-roaders

Lots of commercials, but enjoyable show. I really like the Expo JK.

[Desert Dan]

nwoods
Thanks for finding it on Hulu!

[taco2go]

Thanks for the link.
Slick production, and the landscape is stunning; even more so I thought, with the fog, snow and overcast skies.
Wanted to hear more Hemi growl and less soundtrack as it went on....

[pskhaat]

Actually this was the only time I ever been in a situation where chains would have actually helped.

Just watched the episode on Hulu. Granted I was not there, but driving in similar situations I also think that chains could have really helped. One other question, do you feel that tire studs would also have helped for the slick & icy sections?

I have a question for everyone (maybe Hulu cut out some footage?). You started south from Moab on Lockhart. But Elephant Hill was closed, yes? How did you end up going North into Beef Basin?

Otherwise, I dunno I'd say the drama/actuality ratio was pretty even. My heart rate would be quite elevated knowing I might have to walk out and wait for the melt. Good show.

[Willman]

Great video guys!

Love the part when Scott puts the boots to the Brute in the deep snow....One sweet rig......That thing with a 4wheel camper.....living the dream!


http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40309&stc=1&d=1271950753

:drool:

I have had great luck with studs on car.....problem would be getting them for a 38" tire....and the cost of running two sets of tires....i vote for the chains!


Sinuhe - What happened to your head light???

[pskhaat]

Good point about snudded tires in 37+".

[upcruiser]

Great video guys!

Love the part when Scott puts the boots to the Brute in the deep snow....One sweet rig......That thing with a 4wheel camper.....living the dream!



:drool:

I have had great luck with studs on car.....problem would be getting them for a 38" tire....and the cost of running two sets of tires....i vote for the chains!


Sinuhe - What happened to your head light???

The section where they opened it up a bit on Lockhart Basin Rd with the AEV rigs, Sinuhe was giving chase in the Rover. He hit a deep compression pretty hard and having less travel than the AEV trucks bottomed out hard. The headlights on the Discos are held in by clips and the force of the jolt caused his headlight to pop out and break.

[Willman]

The section where they opened it up a bit on Lockhart Basin Rd with the AEV rigs, Sinuhe was giving chase in the Rover. He hit a deep compression pretty hard and having less travel than the AEV trucks bottomed out hard. The headlights on the Discos are held in by clips and the force of the jolt caused his headlight to pop out and break.

Thanks Kristian!

:)

[p1michaud]

No love in Queensland Australia with either Hulu or iTunes. Any other options?


managed to get a US itunes account, loved the show, just wasnt long enough
cheers Mark

Did you get a new account? We've got a Canadian one but no luck with that either.

Don't suppose I could convince someone to burn a copy on CD and send it my way?

Cheers,
P

[MC4X4]

I will try to burn you one
cheers MC

[dzzz]

Me want Brute.

[Metcalf]

You can use a USA proxy from Oz to watch Hulu.....

[jeepmedic46]

Couldn't get in on Hulu either.:(

[Terrainist]

I caught the last 40 minutes of the show on TV tonight, didn't know you guys put yourselves "out there" that much (on TV). You have more guts than I do in that regard.

I liked it, neat show. Sort of echoing some previous statements, I was saying to myself "where are the chains?". But, mother of all snow storms where it isn't supposed to happen - I wouldn't have had them either. To the people that say they wouldn't have helped, they undoubtedly would have helped the Brute plow in the lead up the slope. Been there. There wouldn't have been the running start and go until you bog down scenario. I highly recommend chains be brought for conditions like that that can be foreseen.

And for when you absolutely have to get up the mountain through three feet of snow, there is another technique that shouldn't be forgotten. Use a push vehicle if you have one with a push bar that will mate with the rear bumper of another. Eight tires are better than four. With spare tire carriers, etc, hanging off the back, the lack of front bumpers designed to push, and the rarity of two bumpers matching in height, it rarely gets used. And it is tricky to do. But it is something to keep in mind.

Cool show! And as someone else said ... do another one!

[Viggen]

Just watched it. The entire time I thought about those Geico commercials where they got the radio announcer guy to do his trailer voice. I kept running through "In a world, completely underwater..."

It was entertaining. I think a few parts seemed very built up to create a suspenseful feeling and the 90 degree pull on a rear facing hook that looked MIGHTY shallow to me made me cringe a little bit. Looked like a fun one though. I wish I lived closer to this area. It is one thing high on my list of places to go.

I dont want a Brute but I DO want a D110 Hi Cab pickup badly now. Completely wont help me as there isnt room for more than two people but I really want one.

[AFSOC]

I didn't know it re-aired this weekend but a couple of the young kids at work were talking about it this morning. They knew AEV and raved about the rigs. They also called the guys "drama queens", I guess eluding to the dramatic dialog.

I'd like to see it again. It was a fun way to spend an hour, I want to see if it holds up to a second veiwing.

[Viggen]

Heres a question: Why was everyones CEL on? The "test" jeep, the Disco and the Brute all had their CELs blazing and Im wondering why. Was it weather related? Did they trip after the hub deep crossing? Just curious.

[R_Lefebvre]

I thought it was just normal for Land Rovers and Chryslers to have the CEL on permanently?

[RonL]

What shock and springs set-up is Sinuhe using?

[Viggen]

Did anyone else see the driver of the black XTerra in the beginning? He stuck his arm out the window as the truck rolled. It looked terrible.

[Scott Brady]

What shock and springs set-up is Sinuhe using?

I do know he has the new OME Sport shocks. Not sure of the spring arrangement.

[Viggen]

I thought it was just normal for Land Rovers and Chryslers to have the CEL on permanently?

Never tripped one on my D1 but they came as standard equipment on my VWs and Audis.

My other question is about that ledge that required winching. Where is that and is it normally passable?

[cruiseroutfit]

...My other question is about that ledge that required winching. Where is that and is it normally passable?

North end of the Lockhart Basin road and its usually passable in anything high clearance. Add snow/ice and the fun ensues.

[DrMoab]

I just wanna know what happened to Sinhue's headlight. :D

[Bullsnake]

I just wanna know what happened to Sinhue's headlight. :D

I'd like to know too! It wasn't just out, it was gone:Wow1:

Great show though-I Tivo'd it, and when we watched it originally with my two boys awhile ago it cemented our decision to take our first trip as a family out to Moab this month!

[Quinn]

I just wanna know what happened to Sinhue's headlight. :D

Already posted this on ExpeditionUtah, but here you go again...

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=593585&postcount=73

[DrMoab]

Already posted this on ExpeditionUtah, but here you go again...

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=593585&postcount=73

I saw that...and responded there too. Like I said, I guess if I would have read this whole thread I would have known....oh well.

[Quinn]

I saw that...and responded there too. Like I said, I guess if I would have read this whole thread I would have known....oh well.

It's all good.

[modelbuilder]

Watched the show again last night...loved it. I wish I had a narrator for my trip that warned me of possible death every ten minutes...lol. Hey but now all the people who watched might give it a second thought before just jumping out and trying to tackle a trip like that.

But seriously....awesome episode.

[cruisertoy]

I wish I had a narrator for my trip that warned me of possible death every ten minutes...lol.

Having been up the Shaffer in really heavy snow, I feel for your guys experience. After watching this episode I may need to sell my cruisers and take up something safer like knitting. It was like imminent death around every corner. I'm definitely updating my radio chatter to be more like the narrator. Great show guys!

[AxeAngel]

We need another episode.

-Sam

[sinuhexavier]

I do know he has the new OME Sport shocks. Not sure of the spring arrangement.

They are just regular old OME HD springs from Expedition Exchange.

[gfiero]

I cast my vote also for another episode! I will admit to now having a goal to own an AEV product. Both were impressive. I watch the show when I am struck at home doing honey does, does wonders for the depression!:wings:

[trackhead]

Was there a remote helicam used in filming part of this?

[James Pierce]

I watched this episode a few weeks ago on hulu and forwarded it to my wife. When I talked to her later that day she says "So what I need is a Hemi".
YES! :wings:

Thank you Scott. I don't think I could have talked her into it without your help.

[Hill, Bill E.]

That was a great episode! Certainly my favorite of the "Dangerous Drives" series.


I however, go to Moab to get away from the snow!:Wow1:

Although I think it would be cool to be there during one of thier rare heavy snowstorms! I think I'd skip 'Cliff Hanger' and 'Moab Rim' if there were to be a couple feet of snow on them!:snorkel:

Great job to all involved!

[Scott Brady]

"So what I need is a Hemi".


We all need a HEMI ;)

[trackhead]

So was a small, remote helicam used during production? A couple of the shots looked like boom shots, but were a bit unsteady, suggesting the use of a helicam.

[Borrego60]

Seen it a few times now,for some reason I always watch it.

[Scott Brady]

So was a small, remote helicam used during production? A couple of the shots looked like boom shots, but were a bit unsteady, suggesting the use of a helicam.

It was about minus 500 degrees, so it was probably the boom operator losing feeling in his arm ;)

[trackhead]

It was about minus 500 degrees, so it was probably the boom operator losing feeling in his arm ;)

Oh, cool. Thanks.

I used to fly RC-Helis with HDV cams for ESPN, NatGeo, etc, etc. Just looked a little shaky, and not as smooth as a typical boom shot.

Nice work on the show. Fun to see all the goods from our state.

[HiLift Jack]

Ok, so I watch this online with my wife and she is rooting for the Brute and commenting on the power and the awesomeness of this truck. Next morning I am running the 4 runner up a snow pile in the parking lot at work, screwing around like I do, and she says, It's a Runner but no Brute! I back down and go about my business. Do you think she can ever be happy without a Brute?