Gelaendewagen

[Alpinestar]

i belive i have found the vehicle for me and it will be easy to obtain because my father works for the company
http://www.4wdonline.com/Mercedes/Gwagen/PiCs37/gwagen1997.jpg

[Brian McVickers]

What is it
Kind of looks like a small mercedes

[Alpinestar]

yep the are in the states but in small numbers its a g wagon by merceds benz

[60seriesguy]

I hope your dad is is the Director of the "Ex Euro-spec Legal Importation" Department for Daimler-Chrysler, because there's only a handful of 2-door Gelandewagens in the US, mostly either one-off gray market imports or imported through Europa International, which was a Santa Fe, NM-based business that specialized in importing the Gelandewagen as an agent for MB before the company decided to do it directly.

Seriously, great vehicles, originally designed in the late-80's to fullfill a HUGE contract for the Shah of Iran. After the Shah was deposed in 1979, MB was left with a lot of expanded manufacturing capacity (most of it at the Steyr-Puch plant in Austria) and a vehicle designed for a now defunct military contract. MB ended up selling quite a bit of these to NATO armies, and then decided to do a quick civilian conversion that sold pretty well (and unchanged) well into the late 90's.

Parts can be sourced through any MB dealership but can be rare and as with any other MB, *expensive*.

Since they're pretty exotic, you'll either have to wheel with fellow G-wagen enthusiasts or carry a LOT of your own parts. Not worth it if you ask me...

[The BN Guy]

Never seen one offroad. Seem to be better mall crawlers instead.

[datrupr]

The G wagens even in mall crawling civilian form are quite capable vehicles, if you can find someone who will wheel a $75K+ rig. They were originally designed and built for overland travel and put to some military use. the are full time four wheel drive with a two speed transfercase, center locking diff, and independent front and rear locking diffs. the have solid axels and about the same ground clearance as a stock Tacoma, some where around 10". They are sold in this market as a mall crawler and for the upwardly mobile SUV driver so they do not see a lot of off road use, but, replace the 20" wheels with some 16"'s, and some taller tires you are pretty much set to go. I am planning on buying one of these to replace the Trooper if it ever dies. Another downside is that there doesn't seem to be much aftermarket support for these rigs in the US. Perhaps a new business venture?

[CLynn85]

We had a Military spec IFAV at work this summer for another project. Got to drive it around base a lot, unfortunately never got a chance to take it around our test track. I liked the vehicle a lot but interior space was at a premium, it fit me well but some of the larger guys were uncomfortable driving it (real good for a soldier right?). It was a 24V system, being a NATO military vehicle, but not sure if that applies to the all. It felt fairly gutless driving it even with the turbo I5 and half the body chopped off. The beadlocked rims were uber-cool. Really wish I could've flogged it offroad but this one was borrowed :(

[pangaea]

The Gwagen is an incredibly capable vehicle. I know a few Gwagen owners here in CO and have had the chance to go wheeling with them before... quite the machine. My only complaint is that the suspension articulation seems to be a bit lacking. But, who needs articulation when you've got locking front and rear diffs?

FWIW- Tom Sheppard, author of the highly esteemed Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide, ditched Land Rovers a few years ago and went to driving Gwagens for his desert expeditions. That's quite an endorsement in my book, especially considering his long relationship with Rover.

[Scott Brady]

I have been a long-time fan of the G-Waggon. But I am not a fan of pretentious (appearing) vehicles. They have no place in the third world and create problems.

If we could get a simple diesel G, that would be excellent. I see them from time to time on ebay. My uncle drove his diesel Merc sedan for almost 400,000 miles on the original engine and trans. Only minor repairs.

[pangaea]

I agree. Personally, I don't care for the actual G500 iteration of the Gwagen, because it is a bit to luxurious, but the underpinnings of the vehicle are still there. I guess their decision to shift it upmarket was a "keeping up with the Jones'" move on par with the Range Rover.

[datrupr]

Check this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-MERCEDES-280-GE-GELENDAWAGON-4X4-5DR_W0QQitemZ4590922364QQcategoryZ31854QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem) out.

[datrupr]

and then there is this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1980-Mercedes-Benz-280GE-Gelendawagen_W0QQitemZ4591443587QQcategoryZ31854QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[The BN Guy]

Those are some quite respectable prices!

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Two weekends ago.......when I couldn't make it to Pismo because of my dang Overdrive not working.....I headed out to Anza~Borrego instead. After a night of camping in Blair Valley.....we headed out on a 50+ mile expedition which included the Diablo Drop off. I met a fellow 4x4 explorer (his screen name is "Expedition66") at the top of Diablo in a very Kewl Jeep and invited him to visit this website. We then headed down the drop off. We had to stop for a group down at the bottom who where coming up the "wrong way/backwards" the Diablo trail.

In the middle of this group was a late model $80,000+ Black 4 door G~Wagon with no lift and stock looking wheels/tires.....that was following all the jeeps it was with. They went up the lower steep narrow "V"......then straight on up the drop off. The stock G~Wagon just kept right up with all the lifted Jeeps.

Now I would never take an $80,000+ 4x4 out in the dirt....nor would I EVEN THINK of buying one.....let alone take it on THIS trail (http://www.sandcruiser.com/daytrips/diablo/)! But it looked pretty Kewl!

[iguana4x4]

The g wagen is a very capable vehicle, it is used a lot in europe for anything offroad. I've seen pictures in a Spanish magazine of Gs from the Paris-Dakar to the Rainforest Challenge in Malaisya. Take a look at the pictures.

[Z O O R O P A]

on my first Rover Ihad to replace the front bumper 3x before getting the correct mods. I CAN'T imagin the bill on a G'Wagen. I mean DAYUM I think my insurance is high on my '04 Disco, I'd like to call my insurance company and see how much more a G'W goes

3 lockers stock though is sweet and if you are single and like trophy women, (I'm workn on it and they are so hard to say no to even when your instinct says otherwise lol) you will be a busy boy~! :jump: :jump:

[upcruiser]

3 lockers stock though is sweet and if you are single and like trophy women, (I'm workn on it and they are so hard to say no to even when your instinct says otherwise lol) you will be a busy boy~! :jump: :jump:
Oh man, I know where you are coming from there! ha ha ha ha

[Scott Brady]

I really like the G series. Not such a fan of all of the useless bling, but they are sweet machines.

[upcruiser]

A local dealership had a 280 sitting around for awhile. Sounds like they would have taken around 12k for it. It was in good shape in a reddish orange color. Had steel wheels, cloth seats and absolutely no bling to it. Very basic. I checked it out up close and actually thought about picking it up. Problem was I didn't need it and I was a bit turned off by the cost of parts and mods available for it. I still keep my eyes open for them though.

[datrupr]

if you are single and like trophy women, (I'm workn on it and they are so hard to say no to even when your instinct says otherwise lol) you will be a busy boy~! :jump: :jump:

I just really like the loks of them, and it would be honor to actually debling a G500 and make it trail ready. It would probably be the only one in the state. But I need to $$$ to buy one and mod it up first. Hopefully with the new G series coming out, and the old Gseries still being built, but not imported it will help to lower the resale value, but then if you all just heard what I wrote, then it would make sense that they will hold thier value. OK, I am stricken with the flu currently and am a bit delerious so I am just rambling here. I am going to go now.:confused:

[Z O O R O P A]

This was in North Carolina at the Uw. Safari

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/jpatrisi/009_6A.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/jpatrisi/022_19A.jpg

[Hltoppr]

Just FYI, my good friend who I went to Mexico on the Moto trip with last summer has a 1986 G-Wagon for sale.....:ylsmoke:

If anyone is interested PM me and I'll give you his email....

-H-

[Scott Brady]

Just FYI, my good friend who I went to Mexico on the Moto trip with last summer has a 1986 G-Wagon for sale.....:ylsmoke:

If anyone is interested PM me and I'll give you his email....

-H-

Ignore, ignore, ignore...










Does he want a Jeep Wrangler?

[sacto_patrol]

Post some photos of it.

I've been meaning to visit No. Az. again.:)

[Hltoppr]

Let me see what I can do....

-H-

[4Rescue]

I dug this thread out of the grave (II stayed home sick today so I had ALOT of time on my hands hahahahah) mostly because I really want to see some more about these trucks. Is there a good site like Terri-Ann's or Brian894x4's but for G-Waggens??? There is a place over ner my house that has a rag top SWB and I've seen another red SWB soft top driving around as well. And I was perusing through all of my "cool truck pics" on my computer and I found

This amazing thing:
(Disclamer: these are not my photo's and I totaly respect if they are owned by some one and you don't want me to post them, read: PM me and I'll take them down. I just couldn't help but save them to look at.)

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/4x4Rescue/2910505016.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/4x4Rescue/2910505020.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/4x4Rescue/2920505022.jpg

So what's the deal? Does anyone here know of any built ones or own one themselves? OF all the trucks we have here I really thought there'd be more of them to be seen.

Cheers

DAve

[Lynn]

I've been dreaming about these for a while. It seems to be that for an international expo, a G would be just the ticket. IIRC the 280 was the last of the non-electronic diesel models, and, as mentioned before, were used by the ton in militaries around the world. Shouldn’t be too hard to find a 25-year-old military surplus model to import. Also, IIRC, the engine in the 280 was the same one used in tons of diesel sedans here in the US. Being Mercedes, you should be able to get parts just about anywhere in the world. I believe that an international expo rig should be as close to stock as practical, so availability of mods doesn’t worry me too much, especially for a military surplus G that should already have good bumpers and stuff. And the Gs, in stock form, are just about the most capable ‘jeep like’ vehicle out there.

At home I have a link to a site with ‘all things G.’ I’ll try to post it up tonight.

[charlieaarons]

The G Wagen with the camper is special, built up by someone like Hellgeth in Germany. It has very nonstock Mog axles with CTIS and 275/80R20 XZLs.

Charlie

[lowenbrau]

Canadian DND bought a buttload of these to replace our Iltis vehicles. I'm looking forward to them showing up surplus. Note the Hutchison beadlocks. http://www.rubicon-trail.com/G-Class/wheels/img/disp/LUVW.jpg

[ChuckB]

did a little browsing...

http://www.gwagen.com/flash.html

http://www.clubgwagen.com/

http://www.rubicon-trail.com/G-Class/

http://allisons.org/ll/4/Mercedes/Gwagen/

http://www.fourwheeler.com/ (http://www.fourwheeler.com/eventcoverage/129_0502_mercedes_benz_g_wagen_sahara_desert/index.html)

[Overland Hadley]

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/4x4Rescue/2910505016.jpg


Today, this is my dream rig!

[FourByLand]

Just find a green rover.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/o2bnmudxj/DSC06060.jpg

[Lynn]

Just find a green rover.


Assuming, of course, I would WANT a green rover.

[FourByLand]

Assuming, of course, I would WANT a green rover.

I would love to have one of those, I was actually looking at them before this thread arose from the dead... A Rover would just be easier to acquire than one of these.

I look forward to your G-wagon build thread!

:sombrero:

[MuddyMudskipper]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x135/o2bnmudxj/DSC06060.jpg

Nice wheels.

[FourByLand]

You are silly!

Wait until you see the tires...

[77blazerchalet]

I distinctly remember my first encounter with one of these - back in the late '80s early '90s, I was driving shuttle vans at the Albuquerque airport. When bringing customers back to the rows of cars, I would ask them which vehicle was theirs in order to stop exactly at their parking spot. On one occasion, the guy said "it's the gray Mercedes jeep down on the right". Even though we were far up the row, I said without skipping a beat "you mean the Geländewagen", and I used the proper German pronunciation. The big smile on his face said he was glad to know I wasn't like the other drivers who could barely distinguish a Ford from a Chevy.

[Gurkha]

G Wagens are legend, one of the few to come with front and rear diff locks and are among the most durable:26_13_1: of off roaders out there. Their workhorses are the diesel ones specially the early 460/461 versions with minimal electronics and venerable OM616/617 combo. The body panels are tougher than TLC and so is the drive train and they are meant to take abuse and survive.

[4Rescue]

The G Wagen with the camper is special, built up by someone like Hellgeth in Germany. It has very nonstock Mog axles with CTIS and 275/80R20 XZLs.

Charlie
AHHH, I now see the mog axles, don't know how I didn't notice that.

I'd still rather have a 70 Series, but these things are just so cool and "ugly functional" (and look an awful lot like 70's to boot eh) it hurts. Gotta love a truck that's built for a purpose that's not boulevard cruising. Good find and thanks for the links as well. now I have a ton of reading to do... just what I needed ;)

Cheers

Dave

[sami]

This is my buddies '84 Gwagen.. He has a parts rig for it, and has been working on it for a few years. I agree that the motor isn't anything impressive, but it goes like hell off-road... Gotta love the factory hydraulic lockers.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/Random/102507_2035.jpg

Here's his wife's '02 Gwagon... Yep, he wheels the $70k rig :) The trail that these pics were taken on is rated 4 on the standard 'Moab' rating scale; 5 being highest. Gwagon snaked through without a scratch.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/U4%20Price%20Run/100_1265.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/U4%20Price%20Run/100_1236.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/U4%20Price%20Run/100_1238.jpg

[4x4abc]

almost 25 years go I started my expedition and 4x4 teaching career with a 1986 300GD - sold 13 years later for $8k more than I paid for it. Theses machines are not only super strong and capable - they also hold their value very well.
I own a boat load full of other capable 4WD vehicles now (various Jeeps, Toyotas and Mercedes G), but my new G500 is my absolute favorite for long term self contained travel (I know every bush and cactus in Baja on a first name basis). Forget all the rumors about unreliable electronics and Diesel being better than gas - I have never owned a more dependable vehicle than the G500.
Don't believe in roof tents, fridges etc etc - KISS makes you lighter and more flexible. Serious money should be spent on larger tires (really large) and lower gears. Most of the time I don't even use a tent - what's wrong with sleeping on the ground when its 80 all night anyway.
Sometimes, when my trailer is empty, I sleep on the trailer (only because i save the tarp).

http://4x4abc.com/G-Class/
http://www.4x4abc.com/G-Class/Death.Valley/index.html

[4Rescue]

4X4abc: that is one cool looking rig. I'm so used to seeing the g500's around here with all the chrome and bling. It's really cool to see one that looks like a real truck. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers

Dave

[4x4abc]

Thanks Dave,

yes, I removed and sold all chrome (covered the front grill bars with black electrical tape and rattle can blackened the star). No chrome bling. None on any of my other cars either.

And none of my cars is burdened with worthless pseudo expedition bling either (pick+shovel, HiLift, snorkel etc etc).

They all have sufficiently tall tires (around 35"), a low crawl ratio (80:1 or better), f+r independent diff locks and rocker panel protection for aggressive rocks. Anything more (except maybe a winch, and they are debatable) I consider decoration.

[kellymoe]

Thanks Dave,

yes, I removed and sold all chrome (covered the front grill bars with black electrical tape and rattle can blackened the star). No chrome bling. None on any of my other cars either.

And none of my cars is burdened with worthless pseudo expedition bling either (pick+shovel, HiLift, snorkel etc etc).

They all have sufficiently tall tires (around 35"), a low crawl ratio (80:1 or better), f+r independent diff locks and rocker panel protection for aggressive rocks. Anything more (except maybe a winch, and they are debatable) I consider decoration.

Never understood the snorkel thing on petrol trucks, diesel maybe but not petrol. I like your minimalist approach. KISS.

[4Rescue]

Thanks Dave,

yes, I removed and sold all chrome (covered the front grill bars with black electrical tape and rattle can blackened the star). No chrome bling. None on any of my other cars either.

And none of my cars is burdened with worthless pseudo expedition bling either (pick+shovel, HiLift, snorkel etc etc).

They all have sufficiently tall tires (around 35"), a low crawl ratio (80:1 or better), f+r independent diff locks and rocker panel protection for aggressive rocks. Anything more (except maybe a winch, and they are debatable) I consider decoration.HAHAHAHAHAHA... Funny thing is I have "decorations" on my rig. Namely a basket and a shovel... I use them quite regularly so I deem them nesescary. To each their own though. And for me here in the NW with all the water crossings and the dust in the summer, I will be running a snorkle at some point. I'm trying to work out a plan to do the same as you with the trim. I want to balck everything but I think I'm going to go with a black out set of mouldings and some plastic spray paint. My buddy's a painter so he can prep anyhting for paint for me.

-Kellymoe: what don't you understand about snorkles on Petrols? Are you refering to the electronics? If so there are numerous ways to "waterproof" the stuf and I really do belive in the benefits of using them. the trucks I drove in OZ both Petrol and Diesel were proof enough for me after seeing non-equiped trucks and what happened to them on a few unfortunate ocasions

[kellymoe]

-Kellymoe: what don't you understand about snorkles on Petrols? Are you refering to the electronics? If so there are numerous ways to "waterproof" the stuf and I really do belive in the benefits of using them. the trucks I drove in OZ both Petrol and Diesel were proof enough for me after seeing non-equiped trucks and what happened to them on a few unfortunate ocasions

Most of my driving is done in dusty conditions so a snorkel may bring the intake above the dust a bit but either way I still need to clean or replace my filter. As for water, you can attempt to waterproof a petrol engine but it is still limited compared to a diesel. It's just a guess but I would say that the vast majority of people with snorkels on petrol engines have not made any attempt to waterproof their electronics. The snorkel debate will go on and on in regards to their benefit on petrol engines so I will just add that if I ever do add a snorkel to my truck it will be to introduce cooler air and really no other reason. But I have many other mods that my money could be put to better use for.

[4x4abc]

4Rescue,

see that's the problem with generalizations - you might be right in general, but you did not include important exceptions. But in order to get a point across, you have to start out with a generalization
So, I am definitely with you - there are environments that do call for shovels, HiLift etc.

Re snorkels: air is densest and (in general, with exceptions) cooler close to the ground. That's why most car manufacturers place the engine air intake around or below the headlights. Dense, cool air produces more torque and HP - very importantly it makes for good mpg.

Guys that are in need for clean air (off-road racing) and can't have a stove pipe sticking out of the body (it would not survive long), usually suck air from the cabin.
That creates a higher noise level but guarantees clean and dry air.

For you guys still dreaming of crossing lakes with the water level about mid window: you'll definitely need a snorkel. Not environmentally sound to drive through deep water, but if you have to, a snorkel can save your engine.

With sufficiently large tires and the resulting high stance, snorkels are not needed for most water crossings - provided that you drive as slow as possible. The "bow wave" nonsense has killed too many engines to continue that doomed approach to water anyway.

Its time to find an easy method to calculate the flow rate of water (water depth is only part of the story) and establish a point at which driving is unsafe - does anyone have a good formula?
I have seen vehicles being swept down river with the water barely above the hub when the flow rate was very high.

[kellymoe]

Its time to find an easy method to calculate the flow rate of water (water depth is only part of the story) and establish a point at which driving is unsafe - does anyone have a good formula?
I have seen vehicles being swept down river with the water barely above the hub when the flow rate was very high.

If the water is almost knee high and it is difficult to walk across because of strong current, I wouldn't try driving across. It doesn't take too much water to move a vehicle.

[39Ronin]

I had a chance to see the Canadian Military G's up close this summer at an air show near Vancouver, BC. The guys I went with were having a good chuckle at me as I spent more time drooling over it than watching the air show. Pretty incredible looking machines, I would love to have one with the military specs.

[Gurkha]

I would tend to agree with Harald here, one of the reasons I removed my factory snorkel was due to the reasons he cited. The OM616 turbo also allowed me to remove the muffler and put a straight pipe which not only bought down EGT but I also gained a bit more power, mpg and quicker turbo spool. The noise gain has been minimal, actually it sounds nice and aggressive.

[Harald Hansen]

Pretty incredible looking machines, I would love to have one with the military specs.

Be careful what you wish for. I've spent a fair amount of time running around in Norwegian military spec 240GD which are underpowered and have a gear box unsuited for the engine. Otherwise solid vehicles, and the factory lockers are nice, but do a bit of research before you buy an ex-military vehicle. I think even the powers-that-be in the Norwegian military procurement organization eventually has seen the light, and the newer vehicles are all 270 CIDs.

[Gurkha]

Be careful what you wish for. I've spent a fair amount of time running around in Norwegian military spec 240GD which are underpowered and have a gear box unsuited for the engine. Otherwise solid vehicles, and the factory lockers are nice, but do a bit of research before you buy an ex-military vehicle. I think even the powers-that-be in the Norwegian military procurement organization eventually has seen the light, and the newer vehicles are all 270 CIDs.


I would agree, however if the OM616 can get a factory turbo job as they do in my Gurkha and combine that with the MB 5 speed, it becomes a very reliable and potent option.

[4Rescue]

It's so funny how things hapen... SO I resurected this thread and now for some odd reason I've been Seing G-Wagens around Portland alot more than usual. The best one is the one I saw yesterday, it was OD greenish (a little lighter kind of a pea soup) with all teh requsite overland kit on it: Roof rack Shovel I belive, jerry Cans etc. I've never seen it around, but it was SWEET looking. I wish I could have stoped the guy driving it and invited him to join the board, I'd love to know some specs on teh rig.

Cheers

Dave

[ChuckB]

That's funny, I saw one on Sunday as well... there can't be that many on this island!

[nickw]

It's so funny how things hapen... SO I resurected this thread and now for some odd reason I've been Seing G-Wagens around Portland alot more than usual. The best one is the one I saw yesterday, it was OD greenish (a little lighter kind of a pea soup) with all teh requsite overland kit on it: Roof rack Shovel I belive, jerry Cans etc. I've never seen it around, but it was SWEET looking. I wish I could have stoped the guy driving it and invited him to join the board, I'd love to know some specs on teh rig.

Cheers

Dave

Another one if PDX - I can hear it calling your name!

Actually looks like a pretty respectable deal.

http://www.luxeauto.com/inventory_detail.cfm?Invid=816

[ChuckB]

Another one if PDX - I can hear it calling your name!

Actually looks like a pretty respectable deal.

http://www.luxeauto.com/inventory_detail.cfm?Invid=816

That thing is SWEET!

[lowenbrau]

Surely the Germans don't put those checkerplate door panels on from the factory, do they? I can't imagine a less comfortable thing in cold weather.

[4Rescue]

Another one if PDX - I can hear it calling your name!

Actually looks like a pretty respectable deal.

http://www.luxeauto.com/inventory_detail.cfm?Invid=816
Tha thing is GREAT. I keep seeing another one here or there, and not the blinged out Blazer mobiles that you'd think, but actual "truck" like G-Wagens...

If Only I was rich eh...

Cheers

Dave

[Gurkha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=vBt3Vt2jV0k

G versus Hummer.......

[Ron B]

though I am a big fan of g-wagons, that video is not a fair comparison of performance as the hummer did not have lockers and the driver did not know how to btm.

rb

[TACODOC]

I have driven both the Hummer and G-Wagon (IFAV) extensively.

Both excellent, but with different strengths...

The G-Wagon is much more stealthy, and can go more places IMO due to it's size.

[Gurkha]

From what I know, lockers are not standard with Hummer whereas in G, front and rear lockers are standard as is with the Gurkha. G Wagen is the right size and proper suspension to handle off road and are in their natural elements there. Germans have been designing off road vehicles since early days of motoring and the G reflects that design philiosophy well. The early Gs from 30s incorporated 4 wheel steering as well.

My friend who runs a tourist desert safari outfit in Dubai recently upgraded his vehicles, after extensive testing with Range Rovers, LR, Hummers, Cherokee and others, Toyota FJ and G was his final choice. Not surprising as these were the only vehicles that did the dunes with minimal drama and more critical, no overheating as that is the vagaries of using them on daily basis in 50C desert. The Hummer H3 was the easiest to get stuck in, the RR broke down and both the Cherokee and Hummer overheated which was the final nail in the coffin.

[4Rescue]

Personaly I would clearly rather have the G-Wagen, but you've got to admit, that hummer looks pretty smooth hauling assover that broken ground. The G clearly crawls better, but the 4W IFS is so smooth looking at speed eh.

I'd say a fari'r compro would be the G versus the 70 Wagon or troupie. Both have F/R Diff locks and oddly enough look real similar as well. The Hummer is just a different kind of beast that is better suited to hauling *** over the dunes with a huge machine gun blazing on top than crawling through the woods. The Few guy's that try to bring them out to the trails here in the NW get a real education on how close trees grow together out in the deep woods ;) Trails cut by CJ's and at the longest 4Runners like mine present a bit of an issue for the big AMGEN, espescialy the turns. That's not to say that a couple haven't gotten through, but it's alot more work.

Cheers

Dave

[Guinness44]

about the comparison video: Swiss Alps? Wonder where, there is no such thing a legal wheeling, (except for the farmers or forrestry service, and the army).

That comparison is a joke. The Hummer is a 92 to 95 model, to lock up the diffs (Torsens) the driver needs to learn how to BTM. One can drive a BTM truck anywhere, a locker truck goes. Granted it is hard on the drivetrain. That fellow in the movie is lucky he didnt bust a halfshaft. Tirespinning in a heavy Hummer is a big NO. This is just drivererror. There is nothing difficult on that "trail".

On lockers and Hummer, that depends on the year, they went from BTM, to TT4 (because of the mandated heavy duty truck ABS), then to rearlocker (and TT4), then to rear and front (and TT4). The 2s or 3s have rearlockers, the new 3 will have a front also (plus auto traction control).

[4Rescue]

about the comparison video: Swiss Alps? Wonder where, there is no such thing a legal wheeling, (except for the farmers or forrestry service, and the army).

That comparison is a joke. The Hummer is a 92 to 95 model, to lock up the diffs (Torsens) the driver needs to learn how to BTM. One can drive a BTM truck anywhere, a locker truck goes. Granted it is hard on the drivetrain. That fellow in the movie is lucky he didnt bust a halfshaft. Tirespinning in a heavy Hummer is a big NO. This is just drivererror. There is nothing difficult on that "trail".

On lockers and Hummer, that depends on the year, they went from BTM, to TT4 (because of the mandated heavy duty truck ABS), then to rearlocker (and TT4), then to rear and front (and TT4). The 2s or 3s have rearlockers, the new 3 will have a front also (plus auto traction control).
Yeah you can see at one point during the grassy hill climb where he hits the brakes to stop rolling back and all of the sudden he's climbing with little to no problem. Pure driver inexperience. Again though, I'd rather have the G for sheer size reasons.

Cheers

DAve

[Ron B]

From what I know, lockers are not standard with Hummer whereas in G, front and rear lockers are standard as is with the Gurkha.

that was kinda my point...if you know how to drive a hummer you won't need lockers (just lube for the narrow spots!).

How big of a tire can go on a gwagon? I love them but never see them on the trails here in so cal. I see tons blinged out in LA (hummers too to be fair...but I see those on the trails). Love to wheel with one someday.

rb

[Gurkha]

that was kinda my point...if you know how to drive a hummer you won't need lockers (just lube for the narrow spots!).

How big of a tire can go on a gwagon? I love them but never see them on the trails here in so cal. I see tons blinged out in LA (hummers too to be fair...but I see those on the trails). Love to wheel with one someday.

rb


Since I have driven both in inhospitable terrain, the lockers as well as the general suspension design of the G gives it an unprecedented advantage over Hummers. Check out forum member's page at http://www.rubicon-trail.com/G-Class/ for info on the size of tires that can be put in the G Wagen. The one in the vid has the stock low profile tires and considering that, it did a swell job.

[98roamer]

From what I know, lockers are not standard with Hummer whereas in G, front and rear lockers are standard as is with the Gurkha. G Wagen is the right size and proper suspension to handle off road and are in their natural elements there. Germans have been designing off road vehicles since early days of motoring and the G reflects that design philiosophy well. The early Gs from 30s incorporated 4 wheel steering as well.

like this one.
http://4x4abc.com/G-Class/img/G55.jpeg

Speed on a gravel road, old article
http://4x4abc.com/G-Class/img/G_flip.jpeg

[Gurkha]

The last pic is from 4x4abc site if I am not mistaken and it was the result of travelling to fast on a gravel road.

[Ron B]

the general suspension design of the G gives it an unprecedented advantage over Hummers

drop me a line/pm me if you are ever in So Cal or Moab. I'd love to wheel with you and see how unprecedented your G is compared to my truck.

rb

[1leglance]

Thanks Dave,

And none of my cars is burdened with worthless pseudo expedition bling either (pick+shovel, HiLift, snorkel etc etc).



Huh...Yeah the G-wagen and many other rigs might be great but not having proper recovery gear is goofy...
And I love my long handle shovel around the campfire, my pulaski for chopping wood and possible recovery...
And a snorkel is useful for water crossing and dust being sucked into the engine.

I understand your concept and I agree that starting with a proper rig like the G-wagen helps but to knock having gear with you fly's in the face of most all other advice in the overlanding world.

[Gurkha]

drop me a line/pm me if you are ever in So Cal or Moab. I'd love to wheel with you and see how unprecedented your G is compared to my truck.

rb


I would love to but in good spirits.........so far your tone doesn't seem to indicate that if I am not mistaken. Most H1 owners are one sackful of ego trip. Its pointless though, you may be a better driver than I am but the G will win and this has been proven many a times. I will take up your challenge if I am in your neighborhood, hopefully you will come with a spare FJ or Rubicon in tow as those would be the only serious challenge to the G.

Good day.........why don't you ask 4x4abc btw? Better chances to see him in your neighborhood than me.

[Ron B]

I was being serious -- it would be fun. Every truck has strengths and weaknesses in different areas. No truck can be the best at everything. I thought it would be fun to explore/compare these strengths and weaknesses.

Like I said earlier, I've never seen them on a trail, just all blinged out on the streets driven by rappers. I also said in an earlier post that I was a big fan of the g-wagon -- you , might be the one with the superiority complex my friend.

I'll stop now and get back to wheeling instead an escalation of he sad she said. Hope to wheel with one someday.

rb

[Gurkha]

I was being serious -- it would be fun. Every truck has strengths and weaknesses in different areas. No truck can be the best at everything. I thought it would be fun to explore/compare these strengths and weaknesses.

Like I said earlier, I've never seen them on a trail, just all blinged out on the streets driven by rappers. I also said in an earlier post that I was a big fan of the g-wagon -- you , might be the one with the superiority complex my friend.

I'll stop now and get back to wheeling instead an escalation of he sad she said. Hope to wheel with one someday.

rb


Trust me, G Wagen as the name says were only built with one purpose, that is to be taken off road and driven and go where others fail, historically like the Unimog, the were built for farmers and miners etc., one look at the old G460/461 will convince you of that. Its a pity that MB succumbed to the rapper crowd and started making them more luxury than utility but every G Wagen can be taken off road. On road with their live front and long travel, they are skittish and lead to poor drive. Since I have had the extensive opportunity to drive the H1, H2 as well as G, it was totally apparent that the G was superior in every respect but the H1 was better on road. I will take up your offer when I am near your neighborhood, heck I will bring in the beer as well.

[kellymoe]

This is my buddies '84 Gwagen.. He has a parts rig for it, and has been working on it for a few years. I agree that the motor isn't anything impressive, but it goes like hell off-road... Gotta love the factory hydraulic lockers.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/Random/102507_2035.jpg

Here's his wife's '02 Gwagon... Yep, he wheels the $70k rig :) The trail that these pics were taken on is rated 4 on the standard 'Moab' rating scale; 5 being highest. Gwagon snaked through without a scratch.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/U4%20Price%20Run/100_1265.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/U4%20Price%20Run/100_1236.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/U4%20Price%20Run/100_1238.jpg



That area looks very familiar. If not for the euro plates I would swear that was the East side of the Inyo Mountains near Bonham Mine just North of Cerro Gordo.

[Harald Hansen]

To inject a little more Geländewagen into this thread I present three pictures of our first generation military G here in Norway:

Most were set up with soft tops like this:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r23/harald74/Mercedes-Benz_Gelndewagen_Norwegian.jpg

Comfy? Observe the extra heater between the front seats. The round green thing to the left of the fresh air controls are the switch for the convoy lights. The vehicles are also equipped with Webasto diesel powered coolant heaters.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r23/harald74/800px-Mercedes-Benz_Gelndewagen_Nor.jpg

The hose attachment thingys on the front bumper are for a UWE heater. Basically it is a metal box and blowtorch-like thing that heats the coolant, which then starts to circulate in the vehicle's cooling system. I've never used the system other than in training myself, as the Webasto is sufficient.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r23/harald74/800px-UWE_heater_attachments.jpg

[Gurkha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUtTLv_BbQE

G put through hell.

[Gurkha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1u7I-SOJ00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGDtcjvSOTM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTFJjJL14dk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8xEcu4_q1w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8xZ04ztvr0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPvo2qnpKU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XJWwgM-lAk&feature=related

[Gurkha]

http://www.mercedesgwagen.galeon.com/vacaciones751461.html

Some more G Wagen history from the famous G2 used by Hitler to other variants of this amazing vehicle.

[Crookthumb]

Here are some that explained somethings to those that might never have looked at one up close. I haven't yet only seen the Gs on the road. Plus there is some Landie Love in the last two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShm9NKRU4M&NR=1

Fine Living
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLygCkdDCdw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umu7DUZZ_No&NR=1

You might notice the EE guys.

[Crookthumb]

http://www.rubicon-trail.com/G-Class/wheels/img/disp/LUVW.jpg

http://www.army.gc.ca/1combat_engineers/images/gwagon5.JPG

I was wondering if anybody knows who makes the cover for the rack. I am wanting to find out more about its construction. What material, and if there are similar setups for other rigs. I have the Safety Devices Rack for my Land Rover Discovery 1. It would be nice to cover gear in harsh conditions, winter ice storms, snow, rain, hail, or dust...

I don't mind fabricating just want to find out more information on the cover and see how it protects the racks contents(How it is strapped down, tucked in, or however it is attached underneath. Unless it just drapes over and hope that nothing comes in from underneath. As far as materials what are suggestions or experiences with fabrics materials. I was thinking Sunbrella maybe if I were to use canvas. For vinyl what specs would be best to use as far as thickness. Or if there are other materials chime in. What type of Mil Specs does the Canadian Military even have on that type of material, would it be chem or bio resistant. I don't know if they have that type of need even for it. I don't need it to be olive drab, wouldn't mind if it was black or a grey or even dark blue (my Discovery is dark blue). I would want the support structure to bolt on so it can be removed when not in use. I would want it to follow the step design of the Discovery and roof rack. I don't mind if it covered equipment on the side of the rack, but would want quick access when needed. I would probably prefer it to cover accessories like a Hi-Lift, shovel, ax, etc. I wouldn't want it to cover front and rear lights though. I would want it to be high enough for Jerry cans and Pelican Cases. Thanks for any suggestions or information provided.

P.S. I will re post in the Land Rover section.

[Kurt]

http://www.mercedesgwagen.galeon.com/vacaciones751461.html

Some more G Wagen history from the famous G2 used by Hitler to other variants of this amazing vehicle.

I don't think mentioning Hitler is a selling point for any vehicle.

[Kurt]

http://www.army.gc.ca/1combat_engineers/images/gwagon5.JPG



Anyone know if the Canadian Forces are phasing out the iltis in favor of the G-wagon? It seems that they picked up a few for Afghanistan but I wouldn't mind picking up a few surplus Iltis's on the cheap if I can bring them back down from Canada. Yes I realize the Bombardier versions are inferior to the VW versions but its much more affordable to buy the Canadian version :)

[762X39]

Anyone know if the Canadian Forces are phasing out the iltis in favor of the G-wagon? It seems that they picked up a few for Afghanistan but I wouldn't mind picking up a few surplus Iltis's on the cheap if I can bring them back down from Canada. Yes I realize the Bombardier versions are inferior to the VW versions but its much more affordable to buy the Canadian version :)
The CF has been phasing out the Iltis and any left in Afghanistan will likely stay there. You can find them in unservicable to useable condition here in Canada from $1500 to about $5500 but you better act fast because there are very few good examples left.In Canada we are using the G-Wagen and the Chevy "Milverado" mostly for small trucks.

[Harald Hansen]

How about a stretched G? This one from Schultz was for sale in Norway a few months ago:

http://cache.finn.no/mmo/6/133/735/96_1210192319292.jpg

This one was also for sale over here, but I don't know who did the conversion:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r23/harald74/lang_gwagen_1.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r23/harald74/lang_gwagen_2.jpg

[Gurkha]

Nice long distance cruiser.

[greybrick]

My next offroad truck

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/Ken4321/300GD.jpg


Older Euro wagen with manual transmission and a 'OM617 good for 1,000,000 kms' engined truck with front and rear locking diffs and which gets about 25 - 30 mpg's at 100 - 110 kms/hr on diesel / Jet-B / bio-diesel / waste vegetable oil mixed at various or any ratios and no ECM to get in the way of use, nor need for a second preheated tank or other. Just needs to get painted NATO white and good to go. ;)

.

[Gurkha]

My next offroad truck

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/Ken4321/300GD.jpg


Older Euro wagen with manual transmission and a 'OM617 good for 1,000,000 kms' engined truck with front and rear locking diffs and which gets about 25 - 30 mpg's at 100 - 110 kms/hr on diesel / Jet-B / bio-diesel / waste vegetable oil mixed at various or any ratios and no ECM to get in the way of use, nor need for a second preheated tank or other. Just needs to get painted NATO white and good to go. ;)

.


Keep the valves adjusted on the engine, check for rust spots and it will last you a long time.

[meafordmike]

I love the G-Wagon, I used the Canadian Forces version in Combat in Afghanistan, The add on armour made it heavy and very roll over prone. But I owe my life to one.
The Iltis is not used in the CF anymore and were sold at Gov auctions. I would like to get an Iltis trailer as a expedition trailer.
I love the off-road capability of the G-wagon, in Canada it goes anywhere and in Afghanistan with the heavy armour it still is a great veh, we were using them like billy goats going up mountains and crossing wadies. My G-wagon in combat stopped alot of bullets and kept going for me, I'm sure I owe my life to it. So if Canada ever replaces them I will be first in line to buy one.

[meafordmike]

I love the G-Wagon, I used the Canadian Forces version in Combat in Afghanistan, The add on armour made it heavy and very roll over prone. But I owe my life to one.
The Iltis is not used in the CF anymore and were sold at Gov auctions. I would like to get an Iltis trailer as a expedition trailer.
I love the off-road capability of the G-wagon, in Canada it goes anywhere and in Afghanistan with the heavy armour it still is a great veh, we were using them like billy goats going up mountains and crossing wadies. My G-wagon in combat stopped alot of bullets and kept going for me, I'm sure I owe my life to it. So if Canada ever replaces them I will be first in line to buy one.
I tried to upload some Pictures of the Canada G-wagon in combat, but kept crashing on me. any help out there.

[RedDog]

meaford Mike - Thank you for your service. God bless you and your family sir.

[39Ronin]

Hey Meaford Mike here is the beloved Canadian Military G.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/39ronin/CIMG7967.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/39ronin/CIMG7968.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/39ronin/CIMG7970.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/39ronin/CIMG7976.jpg

[efuentes]

Guys lets not fight, lets vote ....

Who would want a rubicon over a G Wagen?, I Vote G Wagen.

Saludos

[gjackson]

Ladies and gentlemen, this thread was closed but is now re-opened. Some of you may notice your posts deleted. They were deleted for a reason. Please understand the reason before you post again. If the thread goes downhill again, it will be closed again.

If you have questions, PM me or any other mod.

cheers

[slooowr6]

Guys lets not fight, lets vote ....

Who would want a rubicon over a G Wagen?, I Vote G Wagen.

Saludos

Same here, me vote G Wagon. But I kept drooling over a rubicon.... :sombrero:

[SMD]

I tried to upload some Pictures of the Canada G-wagon in combat, but kept crashing on me. any help out there.

I just returned from a deployment which included some time in Kandahar. Never did get around to taking a picture, though. Those G-Wagons definitely had me drooling - almost as much as the many variations of D110 (of which I did get pics :drool: ). A great looking and capable vehicle - as with Land Rover, it sucks (at least for our community) that Mercedes doesn't import the "working class" vehicles to the US market. At least in Canada you might be able to get an ex-defense vehicle someday.

[goodtimes]

What does a G-wagon go for?

[efuentes]

What does a G-wagon go for?

as far as I am concerned it stands for 4x4 goodness ....

[4Rescue]

Guys lets not fight, lets vote ....

Who would want a rubicon over a G Wagen?, I Vote G Wagen.

Saludos
I'd take a 78 Series Cruiser over BOTH of them with narry a second thought, in fact that would be the best, most fair compro eh...

But yes, G over Rubi no questions asked...

[goodtimes]

as far as I am concerned it stands for 4x4 goodness ....

Yea, but how much does one cost?

for the record, I'm pretty sure I would take the rubicon + the cash difference, over the g-wagon (which is not to say I don't like the g-wagons, because I do...I just don't like the $$$).

[lowenbrau]

What does a G-wagon go for?


We (Canada's DND) paid about $150K plus another $100K each for the ones that got the extra armor. Had to buy about 500 to get that price though.

They say a base mil spec version is $44,000 but I guess we got the leather.

At risk of participating in the whole "My dad can beat up your Dad" argument, I have found video proof that g-wagens are pretty tough. Try this with a Hummer.
http://www.rubicon-trail.com/public/gwagen.mov

[efuentes]

Yea, but how much does one cost?

for the record, I'm pretty sure I would take the rubicon + the cash difference.


Money is overrated :sombrero: You cant use it much while dreaming ...

[goodtimes]

Money is overrated :sombrero: You cant use it much while dreaming ...

Yea, but most people can either dream about a G-wagon, or drive a rubicon (or FJC, or taco, or 80 series, or, or, or....).

Like it or not, money matters. :sombrero:

[Gurkha]

What does a G-wagon go for?

Gelande Wagen. Off Road Vehicle rougly translated.

[goodtimes]

Gelande Wagen. Off Road Vehicle rougly translated.

I was asking about the price, not the name. ;)

[762X39]

The last price I saw on one at the local dealer (about 3 years ago) was $106,000.

[olympiccop2002]

I was asking about the price, not the name. ;)


All depends on what year/series (G230, G240, G280, G300, G320, G55, G500) you want. Newer ones cost an arm and two legs... Older ones are still going for a pretty penny also.

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/163_0702_mercedes_benz_g_class/index.html

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/g-class/

http://www.gwagen.com/flash.html

http://www.rubicon-trail.com/G-Class/

http://gwoa.co.uk/index.php

http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=57

More info on the G then you could ever want... Prices are in the forums.

[Gurkha]

Actually the early G with 460/461 body and OM616 or 617 were the real hard core go anywhere, soak em drop em vehicles, the OM616/617 engines are legendary for their reliability and since there are virtually no electricals to run the engine, you can soak them for a long period as long as you can let them breathe through a snorkel so IMHO, these were the true blue Gelande, the others that follow retain the fantastic off road capability but with addition of luxuries and electricals, they also become vulnerable to the elements generally faced off road.

[SGV]

I was asking about the price, not the name. ;)

There are a bunch of G500s on ebay that no one is bidding on for around $30K with up to 100k miles on them. I wonder why.

[czenkov]

Out of curiosity I have been watching this thread. I would love to have this but I do not foresee the space to purchase. There is a, don't quote me on it, 1982 G280 for sale up the street from me. Has been for a while - has expired Oregon plates but is in SLC, Utah. About 2 years ago he quoted $7k, last I looked he wanted in the neighborhood of $10k. Don't know what he has done to it in the interim. If someone is serious in their search of one of these PM me and i will take the time to go and get the phone #.

[mauricio_28]

Just a few days ago, I started looking at mid- and late 1980s G-wagons (W460) here in Jakarta. You can pick one up in decent condition/mileage for under US$10k. I may get me one for Christmas.

BTW, there's also quite a few old Toyo LandCruisers here. What would be the G's the closest competitor in the LC line?

[Gurkha]

Just a few days ago, I started looking at mid- and late 1980s G-wagons (W460) here in Jakarta. You can pick one up in decent condition/mileage for under US$10k. I may get me one for Christmas.

BTW, there's also quite a few old Toyo LandCruisers here. What would be the G's the closest competitor in the LC line?


The old FJ series would be the closest.

[gjackson]

Out of curiosity I have been watching this thread. I would love to have this but I do not foresee the space to purchase. There is a, don't quote me on it, 1982 G280 for sale up the street from me. Has been for a while - has expired Oregon plates but is in SLC, Utah. About 2 years ago he quoted $7k, last I looked he wanted in the neighborhood of $10k. Don't know what he has done to it in the interim. If someone is serious in their search of one of these PM me and i will take the time to go and get the phone #.

Do you have any pics? Know if it is petrol or diesel? I'm not a serious buyer, but I know someone who might be.

cheers

[czenkov]

IIRC it is petrol. Diesel and I would have made room for it. The black color on the lower areas is something like rhino liner :oops: I have no idea why. I went out and took a few pics. If there is still interest I can run back over during daylight hours and take more on request. Probably be later in the week though. I forgot how cool these are.

[czenkov]

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[Gurkha]

Very nice, are those 15" or 16" wheels btw?

[mauricio_28]

A 1989 280GE long wheel-base showed up in the classifieds for US$9k. It was gone by the time I got around to calling for info.

[Gurkha]

If buying a old G, a diesel is a far better and safer option as it would have comparitively far less wear and tear.

[mauricio_28]

If buying a old G, a diesel is a far better and safer option as it would have comparitively far less wear and tear.

In the time that I've been on the lookout for a G here in Indonesia, I have yet to see a GDiesel model. Sure, I'd consider it, but I am no big fan of premodern (read not intercooled or common-railed) diesel engines. My current rig has a Nissan YD25DDTi diesel powerplant. Anything else, I think, will pale in comparison.

[Gurkha]

In the time that I've been on the lookout for a G here in Indonesia, I have yet to see a GDiesel model. Sure, I'd consider it, but I am no big fan of premodern (read not intercooled or common-railed) diesel engines. My current rig has a Nissan YD25DDTi diesel powerplant. Anything else, I think, will pale in comparison.


I am with you on that, the best diesels period was from MB, namely the IDI mechanical IP OM616 and 617 in N/A and turbo flavors. Their reliability and longevity is unsurpassed in every sense. Also the TLC with HINO built engine as well as the Nissan you have are also prime example of high quality engines. Speaking of Nissan, the Indian military manufactured a HINO W04D engined 69 model Patrol till 98 and I have one of the rare ones that were released to civilians. Its 3 speed and with the low RPM range of the HINO it touches redline at 140kmph but its a pleasure to drive such a high torque engine off road, you just have to keep it at 2nd and blip the throttle and it will do the near impossible.

The modern electronic controlled engines are a joke specially in waterlogged humid conditions.

[mauricio_28]

Just a few minutes ago I came across an ad for a 1995 G300 long wheelbase, petrol engine for US$20k. I think I'll pass.

I'm in an old MB mood lately. A G better come along soon before I spend my money on a 1956 MB 220S (W180). Discussion of that car, however, is for an altogether different website.

[Gurkha]

Look for a OM617 engine G300, they are quite reliable, only thing is check for rusts.

[smurf]

I have an 86 300d Gwagen and it's bulletproof and a lof of fun:smiley_drive:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8982/imagem065ok8.jpg

[Jwestpro]

I don't think mentioning Hitler is a selling point for any vehicle.

Nor does the Pope but it's mentioned all the time. It's no comparison but rather that neither is really appropriate.

[Gurkha]

Lets mention G Wagen for what they are, pure, over-engineered highly capable and in some ways unique off roaders that with the right techniques can go anywhere even in places where other off roaders would fail. Also their drive train can take abuse far more than other contemporary off road vehicles.

Its immaterial who uses them or what and why they were made for. Only person I would truly like to thank for the G is the late Shah or Iran who in early 70s persuaded MB to bring back the G again and look at what it got us all.

[esh]

Caught this a couple weeks ago in Germany.. somewhere on a back road to Hohenzollern castle near Stuttgart. Great looking rig. Wish we got these utility versions in the States (wish we still got utility Cruisers in the States!).

http://130.94.161.162/images/Exploring2009/Germany/Picasafiles/_MG_0727.jpg

[4Rescue]

Caught this a couple weeks ago in Germany.. somewhere on a back road to Hohenzollern castle near Stuttgart. Great looking rig. Wish we got these utility versions in the States (wish we still got utility Cruisers in the States!).

http://130.94.161.162/images/Exploring2009/Germany/Picasafiles/_MG_0727.jpg :drool:

ESH, I belive however that there is one of those running around over near 11th/Milluakee and Powell at that BMW/Merc shop on the south side of Powell before you go over the Ross Island. It's a SWB with a cloth top with that cool "lace-on" attachment (although I'd probably not like it after awhile, probably pretty noisy out on the highway). There's also another dark blue SWB rolling around as well. I thought it was funny because as soon as we got this new section I started seeing them more and more often.

Cheers

Dave

[Burton]

Here is one that I came across in Texas... http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/1096624609.html

No affiliation (sad that much of the ad is dedicated to the stereo setup)

[4Rescue]

Here is one that I came across in Texas... http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/1096624609.html

No affiliation (sad that much of the ad is dedicated to the stereo setup)

That is one sweet looking rig... The tire description the guy gives leads me to belive that either english is a second language or he has no idea what he's got there.

Sweet truck though eh.

Cheers

Dave

[Burton]

That is one sweet looking rig... The tire description the guy gives leads me to belive that either english is a second language or he has no idea what he's got there.

Sweet truck though eh.

Cheers

Dave

It is a sweet truck. I came across it when I was searching for a Defender. Is his price reasonable? What do these things go for? Reading this thread has gotten me interested in this truck.

Thanks,
Burton

[4Rescue]

Well another thread list's typical going prices as anywhere from 10-20K depending on the condition and the engine. I'd say if you've got the money and the desire to own one (and really what true Expo enthusiast doesn't to some degree ;) ) then hell, go for it. Jst do the usual things you'd do with ANY 4x4. Check for rust, check the air box, and check... well... everything.

Happy Hunting mate, if you do buy one, make sure we get a nice build thread with PICTURES to drool over eh :D

Cheers

Dave

[Ozarker]

Bump, Great thread! I'd take a late model G before any Hummer! :smiley_drive:

My Raider is nothing more than a wannabe G wagon!