EarthRoamer: Jeep Based Expedition Vehicle XV-JP

[Scott Brady]

EarthRoamer XV-JP

Read the entire Press Release HERE (http://www.expeditionportal.com/news/EarthRoamer_XV-JP.htm)

EarthRoamer Launches their newest model, the XV-JP, built on a Jeep Wrangler JK Rubicon Unlimited platform.

More information as soon as it is available.

http://www.expeditionportal.com/news/news_images/smaller/EarthRoamer%20XV-JP.jpg

http://www.expeditionportal.com/news/news_images/smaller/EarthRoamer%20XV-JP%20Camp.jpg





And you read it on ExPo first :archaeolo

[articulate]

Always something up your sleeve, isn't there?

Nice. Very nice.

[flyingwil]

Where's Brian?

Looks sweet! :cow:

[seth_js]

Pricing is estimated to be in the Sub- $100k range, including the Jeep

:yikes:

[Nullifier]

That will be cool. Especially if they can get a deisel in it.

[goodtimes]

Rat BASTARDS!!!! They stole my idea! They must have been sneaking around here listening to me mumble to myself at night while crawling around my jeep with a tape measure!

Seriously...who was I talking with about this very thing (flip pac grafted into the top of a wrangler) just a couple months ago?!?!

Oh well, at least they (earthroamer) will probably get it beyond the "custom one-off" stage...

[TACODOC]

Cool. If it was an oil burner...:drool:

I remember seeing an AEV conversion similar to this recently... Hmmmm....

Anyone else remember the SEMA prototype? I thought Scott had posted it somewhere.

[Scott Brady]

This project has been in the works for nearly a year. I have had the pleasure of assisting with the design...

Any similarities to the AEV model are purely coincidental.

[goodtimes]

This project has been in the works for nearly a year. I have had the pleasure of assisting with the design...

Any similarities to the AEV model are purely coincidental.

The AEV model has nuthin on this! Of course, if it was in the works a year ago...maybe it is me who stole their idea....:sombrero:

[mountainpete]

While the price is prohibitive for many, it will no doubt be an amazing vehicle. Can't wait to see some actual pictures! :safari-rig:

[CLynn85]

That makes me very very happy :jump:

[kcowyo]

That is a very interesting concept. Thanks for cluing us in Scott. :bowdown:

Different roof than the AEV product at SEMA this year. The AEV concept didn't even look very functional. This looks to have minimal standing room, but it's a much better bed design than the AEV project. And Swails doesn't make junk so sub $100K will probably be a fair value.

Diesel, schmiesel. I think I'll start another thread.....

[blupaddler]

This project has been in the works for nearly a year. I have had the pleasure of assisting with the design...



Wow!!!

Good on ya Scott! When do you sleep? Or is this all a result of that new Espresso machine...
:bowdown:

[upcruiser]

Looks pretty interesting. The only drawback I see of that design would be the lack of being able to put a rack and items on the roof, like kayaks, bikes, storage bins, etc. I still love it though.

[haven]

Thanks, Scott!

The Earthroamer design looks like a Flip-Pac camper put on backwards!
Here's Viking Vince's Tacoma plus Flip-Pac:

http://www.bajataco.com/vikingvince/Vince_FlipPac/L_vince05_02.jpg

The Flip-Pac design for small trucks weighs about 350 lbs. according to the Flip Pac
web site. The Wrangler Unlimited has a cargo capacity of 1100 lbs with the stock
springs and tires, and that includes the weight of the driver and passenger.

Chip Haven

[toyrunner95]

that thing is wicked lookin! the only problem is its a jeep, why didnt they just put a camper on an FJ and SAS it, it would probably be cheaper and cooler.

im not nocking jeeps. i just dont like them. (personal pref)

[flyingwil]

that thing is wicked lookin! the only problem is its a jeep, why didnt they just put a camper on an FJ and SAS it, it would probably be cheaper and cooler.

im not nocking jeeps. i just dont like them. (personal pref)

I think the FJ has a similar payload. It seems that ER tends to go "american" vehicles too, IMO.

[goodtimes]

that thing is wicked lookin! the only problem is its a jeep, why didnt they just put a camper on an FJ and SAS it, it would probably be cheaper and cooler.

im not nocking jeeps. i just dont like them. (personal pref)

There are a couple good reasons to not use the FJC, not only is the FJC a fugly mall cruiser, it does not have a removable top, making this conversion expensive and difficult, it doesn't have the reputation of a jeep, it isn't as iconic as the jeep, and well, it isn't a jeep. :REOutArchery02:

Seriously though,when dealing with semi-custom vehicles, it is much cheaper and easier to leave as much of the original vehicle as possible. The removable top on the wrangler makes it very easy to simply replace the top with a modular unit that is built somewhere else, rather than cutting the top off and trying to build a tent into the hole you produced. Doing a SAS on a FJC would require a whole bunch of engineering, labor and parts cost, that is all avoided by using a jeep, and maintaining a factory warranty on the suspension and drivetrain.

[DaveInDenver]

it does not have a removable top
Bingo. ER isn't doing one-off totally custom trucks. It's got to be a semi-production design. I'm a little surprised, though. Doing something smaller, I would expect a small truck cab and chassis as a base point, not a Wrangler or FJC. I picture a regular cab (the ~105" wheelbase) Taco or Ranger sort of thing. Be interesting to see this, although $100K is awful rich.

[Wanderlusty]

Be interesting to see this, although $100K is awful rich.

I withhold final judgement until the finished product, but $100k seems REALLY steep to me. The truck itself is max about $30k. From the renderings, it does not appear as if much has been done to the body at all. So what it looks like is something similar to a slide in camper or camper shell. Say a well equipped 4 Wheel camper is maybe $7k or so. Fridge, shower, accessories and even toss in some suspension mods and maybe another $10-$15K.

But the idea itself is REALLY REALLY interesting and while I may not have the bank account to grab something like this, I will drool over it quite often....

[Scott Brady]

For those of us that have built fully custom vehicles it seems like a bargain :elkgrin:

The value will be more apparent when the specifications and materials (think aerospace spec. for weight) are disclosed. And don't forget the cost of labor, molds, testing, engineering, etc. This will be a tightly integrated package.

[Scott Brady]

It would cost over 80k to replicate my truck with labor included at $50 per hour (which is cheap).

Edit: Just the lights and light bar solution is over $3000, and 8 tires and wheels (trailer and truck) is nearly $3,000. Suspension is over $3000. It starts to add up in a hurry.

[CLynn85]

Wonder if there's any potential for this thing as a "shell" model. Since they are going for a cheaper market, a lot of the people who'd be interested in this rig also like to get their hands dirty, do their own wrenching and building. Seems to me that they'd attract a pretty good diy customer base that could outfit their own vehicles using this camper.

Wish I could find my sketches I did for a drop in Jeep camper sometime back. Here's one of the quick-e paint sketches I found. Same basic idea except instead of going out the back like I did they extended it over the cab, which I like a bit better as far as keeping the COG up forward. Also like the flippac style over the hinged popup.

[DaveInDenver]

It would cost over 80k to replicate my truck with labor included at $50 per hour (which is cheap).

Well, yeah, that makes more sense if you figure the labor cost in. That would make a big difference and I hadn't considered that, honestly. I wonder the number of hours I've spent wrenching on trucks now. You make a good point, Scott.

Still, I guess it does still does make me wonder how many people would look at the sticker and think the same thing I did? That I could build that myself for half that. I figure my spare time is free compared to paying a mechanic, but I guess the number of people buying turn-key trucks has always been going up.

[Scott Brady]

...but I guess the number of people buying turn-key trucks has always been going up.

Lots of baby boomers and tech wealthy :)

[Kermit]

Pricing is estimated to be in the Sub- $100k range, including the Jeep

:yikes:

You know how many KTMs I could buy for that!? Holy Crap! I could get 3 990 Adventures all of the gear, mine and two best buds...the blow the rest on travel, booze, and women.


Or you could go the really cheap route.

Ala BOB...

http://outdoorprogram.uoregon.edu/limbo/templates/opwww/images/rental/trailerbob.jpg

[Mlachica]

That is really cool! A very nice RTR expedition rig. I can't wait to see one in person.

I would probably love to have one but I'd still have something else on the side to build and customize myself. I think fabbing/customizing is part of the fun of expeditioning.

[BajaTaco]

Man, I would love to have one of these.



Still, I guess it does still does make me wonder how many people would look at the sticker and think the same thing I did? That I could build that myself for half that.

I think that ER wouldn't want to deal with trying to mass-produce these at budget prices to sell large quantities and satisfy people with budgets of sub-50K. That is not the point. The point is to come up with something that is the asolute best you could buy as a turn-key product. I think there is much more to it than you can see in these concept photos (incl. kitchen, toilet, shower per the PR). If you could walk through their shop and see the kind of work they do and the materials they use... it is incredible. So you are paying for more than just the materials and labor here. Like any high-end automotive enthusiast market, you are paying for the reputation, the quality, and the fact that you will have something really unique. I think the point of not building another truck-based model is because the whole goal was to have a highly capable trail machine with deluxe camping accomodations. This hits the nail right on the head. Because of the wheelbase and lower GVW, sitting on top of the Rubicon platform, I could see doing some really FUN trails with this and then having a superbly efficient and comfy camp each night. I'm not talking mild trails either. LOL, I'd love to see Goodtimes take this through something...

Man, I might have to mortgage the house...

:p

[DaveInDenver]

I think there is much more to it than you can see in these concept photos (incl. kitchen, toilet, shower per the PR). If you could walk through their shop and see the kind of work they do and the materials they use... it is incredible.

So you are paying for more than just the materials and labor here. Like any high-end automotive enthusiast market, you are paying for the reputation, the quality, and the fact that you will have something really unique. I think the point of not building another truck-based model is because the whole goal was to have a highly capable trail machine with deluxe camping accomodations.
I've seen the große version of the ER inside and out, they are a really, really nice way to go. But maybe that's the part I can't quite grasp, how they are going to shoehorn anything like that on to a SWB, narrow platform. Even if this isn't and probably will never be in my budget, it's a cool idea they are working on.

[kcowyo]

I could see doing some really FUN trails with this and then having a superbly efficient and comfy camp each night. I'm not talking mild trails either. LOL, I'd love to see Goodtimes take this through something...


Knowing the quality builds they do and the materiels they use, that sticker price doesn't surprise me.

But taking my high dollar build, up a 3.5 or higher rated trail? :Wow1:
Even if you had a bottomless bank account I would think every tree branch scraping down the side and every dinger in the body would make you pucker from the south end.

Love the idea, love their reputation. But even with tons of technical trail experience, I would think the most accomplished driver would find the fun trails extremely nerve wracking.

So are they gonna offer 'em in white?

[bigreen505]

It would cost over 80k to replicate my truck with labor included at $50 per hour (which is cheap).


And I think that really is the point. Not everyone sees building the rig as part of the fun, I don't. I'd rather have a turn-key solution that I can load up and go. I can usually estimate the time it takes me to get something done on my truck, no matter how simple, pretty accurately by asking around and multiplying the highest estimate by four or six. I don't enjoy it, it is not fun and there are so many things in life that are fun.

While there are a lot of people here who enjoy the building process, there are a lot of white Tacos that look a lot like the ExWest mobile. They did the work, but it was still a packaged solution (attach part A to bracket B). My hat goes off to people who go their own way and build their rigs from their own ideals about what an exploration rig means to them, but if I had the money I would buy the ER and go explore. You can save a lot of money by building your own rig, but there is an opportunity cost to the "free" time spent wrenching, so I hope it is enjoyable.

I am bothered by the price, though if I actually had the money I might not be, but to me the big problem with the older ER and Sportsmobile type trucks is the size, and as I've said before, after seeing pictures of the Badgertrek mobile, I have to question the value of the Sportsmobile.

Well I guess there you have it, it all comes down to your perception of value and as Kristian pointed out, whether or not it fits your needs.

[cshontz]

And on the eighth day, the Flying Spaghetti Monster made the EarthRoamer XV-JP, and it was good.

[BajaTaco]

But taking my high dollar build, up a 3.5 or higher rated trail? :Wow1:


Absolutely. That would be the point of it for me - to use it to its fullest and have fun with it. Pinstriping, maybe some dents, who cares if it gets the job done. I wouldn't be trying to break it, but cosmetics are no big deal.

[durango_60]

I dunno, for my $$ I think the sportsmobile offers a more enticing package. Other than the Badgertrek folks, I've never really seen any quality complaints, hopefully their experience was a fluke.

Of course my opinion is skewed by my application, which for the next 10-15 years(until they are sick of me) includes hauling the kids on my adventures. If it were just the wife and I:rally_guys: , it would be really attractive to have a smaller vehicle which could handle tighter trails.

Not being someone who enjoys wrenching all that much, I do foresee myself buying a turn key package in the not so distant future, I actually came one signature away from buying a sweet 2003 dsl sportsmobile earlier this year. Thankfully I came to my senses and realized that I wouldn't be able to spend enough time in it to justify the expense.

[kcowyo]

Absolutely. That would be the point of it for me - to use it to its fullest and have fun with it.....

Yeah, but you're a hardcore badass. I'm thinking about the reactions of a normal man....:bowdown:

[cshontz]

/glare

We will find a way. I'll sell (censored - too low brow) or something.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennifer Shontz" <jshontz@somewhere.com>
To: "'Chris Shontz'" <cshontz@somewhere.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: earthroamer


> riiiiight
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Shontz [mailto:cshontz@somewhere.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:06 PM
> To: Jennifer Shontz
> Subject: Re: earthroamer
>
> Sub-100k!! I mean, crap - we paid more than that for our house and this
> thing is much cooler!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Shontz" <jshontz@somewhere.com>
> To: "'Chris Shontz'" <cshontz@somewhere.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:57 PM
> Subject: RE: earthroamer
>
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>> Lol. Wow. So, why is the lady in the kitchen while the man is laying
>> down?
>> That is cool but mega spensive :)
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>

[ducktapeguy]

Wow, I love it. I remember when the first Earthromer vehicle came out, and follwing their articles in the ORA magazine. I'm never going to be able to afford one, but now at least I have something to daydream about. Although I do wonder why they chose the Rubicon Unlimited as their base vehicle. As other people have mentioned, it does have the removable hardtop, but if you wanted something like that, why didn't they just start out with a Tacoma or some other pickup? From the looks of it, it seems like they stripped the jeep down to a pickup anyway.

Also, if I were to invest that kind of money into a vehicle, I'd want to start out with the most reliable base vehicle I could find. How common are parts for jeeps in other parts of the world? Oh well, this is all just speculation, since I'll probably never be able to experience world travel like this first hand. But i can dream.

[kcowyo]

Jennifers......:rolleyes:


*great post Chris

[Wanderlusty]

That is so funny. My wife andI had a similar discussion:

* Was her reaction to the price.

________________________________________
From: elizabeth ross
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Ross David
Subject: RE: may never be in our price range....


*Ack!! Not a month or two.

________________________________________
From: Ross David
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:51 AM
To: elizabeth ross
Subject: RE: may never be in our price range....

That is great honey. Me too. Now if we just come up with the approx. $100,000 that they are expecting to price it at….

It is awesome, though. I could live in that thing for a month or two I believe.

________________________________________
From: elizabeth ross
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:50 AM
To: Ross David
Subject: RE: may never be in our price range....

We need to get that. I want it.

________________________________________
From: Ross David
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:07 AM
To: elizabeth ross
Subject: may never be in our price range....

….but it is really cool idea!

/glare

We will find a way. I'll sell (censored - too low brow) or something.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennifer Shontz" <jshontz@somewhere.com>
To: "'Chris Shontz'" <cshontz@somewhere.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: earthroamer


> riiiiight
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Shontz [mailto:cshontz@somewhere.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:06 PM
> To: Jennifer Shontz
> Subject: Re: earthroamer
>
> Sub-100k!! I mean, crap - we paid more than that for our house and this
> thing is much cooler!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Shontz" <jshontz@somewhere.com>
> To: "'Chris Shontz'" <cshontz@somewhere.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:57 PM
> Subject: RE: earthroamer
>
>
>> Lol. Wow. So, why is the lady in the kitchen while the man is laying
>> down?
>> That is cool but mega spensive :)
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[adventureduo]

I likey!

[calamaridog]

That thing is awesome. I can hardly wait to see the pictures of the finished vehicle.

[77blazerchalet]

Now we're getting somewhere, a little baby 4x4 motorhome is what I've always been after. I sorta got stuck on Blazer Chalets myself, so that's the direction I going. Compared to other slide-in poptops, the Chalet has properly placed side windows for good outward visibility when you are sitting in the dinette, so assuming this thing has an itty-bitty seating area back there, I'd suggest raising the roof just a touch for two forward 'vista' windows, and add side windows, so you get away from the claustrophobic "bread van" problem.

(apologies to the original illustrator for my alterations)

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[Joaquin Suave]

I have to agree with Upcruiser...


Looks pretty interesting. The only drawback I see of that design would be the lack of being able to put a rack and items on the roof, like kayaks, bikes, storage bins, etc.


You know the saying...You can't put 3 pounds of sh*t into a 1 pound bag.

It was odviously designed by someone that dosen't...

Ski
surf
snowboard
mt.bike
road bike
kite surf
kayak

or god forbid...

windsurf

My only hope is that its vapor-wear and they don't shoot themselves in the foot by not adapting their concept to the most likely segment of the market to buy small 4x4's...

Upwardly mobile young professional sports enthusiasts

[BajaTaco]

I would think that snowboards, skis, and bikes could easily find a home on the back of the vehicle. I imagine the roof could have a rack, it's just that the bikes/kayaks would need to come down before deploying the tent. There is also a saying... "he who tries to please everybody pleases nobody"

[articulate]

I would think that snowboards, skis, and bikes could easily find a home on the back of the vehicle. I imagine the roof could have a rack, it's just that the bikes/kayaks would need to come down before deploying the tent. There is also a saying... "he who tries to please everybody pleases nobody"
And "form follows function." Good call, Chris.


I have to agree with Upcruiser...
It was odviously designed by someone that dosen't...
What you notice as a drawback is the same drawback that has always existed for Wranglers. A roof rack on a TJ, YJ or CJ has to be folded back (an unloaded) if you want to put the top down - same function as deploying that tent. Where you indicate a downside to the ER vehicle is actually a downside to the classic Jeep.

It appears to me that the designers actually did a yeoman's job of affixing a large, comfy roof tent to a frickin' Wrangler without a roof rack.

You know what the problem is with the AEV Brute? Damn thing ain't got no back seat. The designer of that unit obviously doesn't have more than one friend....

[SeaRubi]

"What you notice as a drawback is the same drawback that has always existed for Wranglers. A roof rack on a TJ, YJ or CJ has to be folded back (an unloaded) if you want to put the top down - same function as deploying that tent. Where you indicate a downside to the ER vehicle is actually a downside to the classic Jeep."


I can't imagine taking anything more than a weekend trip with the soft top on. If I were going on a serious trip, I'd be mounting the hardtop faster 'n you can say "windnoise" ! I need to get mine back on. I'm missing the rear defrost and wiper with the ice and snow piling up outside. THat soft top must be more shriveled than the dogs nads :smilies27

[goodtimes]

My soft top has just shy of 70K on it. Noisy? Not really. The absense of doors does a good job of masking any wind noise from the soft top. If that gets to noisy....break out the ear plugs. Seriously....no doors or windows from Los Angeles to the Rubicon and back, ear plugs and lovin' every minute of it! (except for the hail on the way back...that kind of sucked).

[blupaddler]

I think it will be quite a nice addition to a market that is currently non-existant or still in it's infancy. I applaud Scott and ER for taking a step out and trying to fill this void. Like we all constantly say how we wish we could own some foreign job camper model or such. The US market is behind. However, as we can see with the popularity of this forum, there is a resurgance happening. Adventure trailers are selling like hot-cakes. Kimberly Kampers, now King in the US are being brought in.

With ER entering this market. We can hope for competition, and possibly more products from talented designers and fabricators out there. (Common Jack, Overland needs a rebirth).


Would I buy one...I don't know. Personally I believe the price point should be less than a Sportsmobile. Especially since they come with Dana 60's, Atlas t/c, diesel, and a host of other goodies. And a Sportsmobile is only 3.3" WIDER than my 80 series. Although I would have to admit the ER has a better materials and finishing than the Sportsmobile.



My only suggestions...
*I think a rack could be just like any regular shell. Vince has a rack on his Flip-pac. Yakima rail system.
*Diesel. Gas is too expensive. Veggie oil capable. Responsible expeditioning.
*Hopefully pricing isn't like the housing market...You see the sign "from the mid 300's (for you AZ folk ;)). But once you get the house and any decent upgrades, the price is over 400k.
*Price less than a Sportsmobile $90K

[BajaTaco]

You know what the problem is with the AEV Brute? Damn thing ain't got no back seat. The designer of that unit obviously doesn't have more than one friend....

I imagine this is only a 2-seater as well.

[kcowyo]

From the attached press release -


3. Living Space Requirements
A. Two People
1. Seating and sleeping for 2 people
2. Sleeping for two when roof deployed
3. Sleeping for one when roof NOT deployed
B. Refrigeration to cover typical use
C. Heated
D. Fan Ventilation
E. Cooking Facilities
F. Toilet
G. Shower with hot water
H. Fresh Water
1. Enough for typical use (estimated at 20-25 gallons)
2. Filling ability from fresh water source
3. Onboard water purification



OK, I'm not knocking price or concept or the base vehicle because I like it all. But I'm trying to get my mind around how they are going to jam all this stuff into it. Shower, toilet, cooking facilities, 20 gallons of water?


And sleeping for one with the tent not deployed? Where, if it has all this other stuff? Upright In the drivers seat? The Unlimited is what, 11 inches longer than a TJ? I mean we're not talking about a ton more room despite what Jeep marketing wants us to believe.


Guess I'll just have to wait for more developments from R&D. :lurk:

[Wanderlusty]

The JK unlimited is about 2 feet longer than the SWB TJ, I believe, but still, that is not THAT much more room, and that is a lot of stuff. I am sure they have something figured out, but it still has to be pretty packed in.

[SeaRubi]

ever seen the galley and layout on a 25ft boat? it's not that much of a stretch, IMO. it's going to be kind of cramped but it can be done.

[Grim Reaper]

Who says all that has to be used inside?

The toilet and shower may consist of the portolet of some type and a tent stall hanging from the open top. Kitchen may slide out the back as well.
With no rear seat you can build a platform that is load deck height up to the back of the front seats. Plenty of room down there now for a water tank where the foot well would normaly be.

I think its realistic concept if it is planned correctly.

Look forwad to seeing more about this truck.

[kcowyo]

Well nobody said it Grim, I'm just wondering out loud.

Considering their history of builds and target group, usually, they are all inclusive within the vehicle. Their concept has always been about getting out but having all of the comforts of home within the rig.

They also build their stoves, etc. to run on diesel. Will that be the case for this model's kitchen...? If so, where will the diesel fuel go? And a 20-25 gallon tank for water is pretty big within Jeep size specs. Even a JK.

If you're standing in the back of a Jeep and the deck comes up to the heighth of the top of the seats, that means the deck would hit you mid-thigh. A shower could simply be an outside thing, you're right.

I'm very anxious to see more and just speculating. Kind of like when you're a kid and trying to figure out how Santa got that bike down the chimney. :D

[durango_60]

Considering their history of builds and target group, usually, they are all inclusive within the vehicle. Their concept has always been about getting out but having all of the comforts of home within the rig.

I'd say this rig is a radical departure from their prior work, so I'd be willing to bet we will see some things outside. I sure hope the toilet hangs outside somehow, can you imagine being in a JK with some guy who only eats corndogs using the can!!!


They also build their stoves, etc. to run on diesel. Will that be the case for this model's kitchen...? If so, where will the diesel fuel go? And a 20-25 gallon tank for water is pretty big within Jeep size specs. Even a JK.

My conspiracy theory is that they have a line on the not yet released diesel JK so there will be plenty of oil to go around...



Kind of like when you're a kid and trying to figure out how Santa got that bike down the chimney. :D

That's a simple one, he took it apart, that's why I always saw my Dad putting it together...

[TACODOC]

My conspiracy theory is that they have a line on the not yet released diesel JK so there will be plenty of oil to go around...

:iagree: :peepwall: :lurk:

[BajaTaco]

I sure hope the toilet hangs outside somehow, can you imagine being in a JK with some guy who only eats corndogs using the can!!!

:xxrotflma

[Scott Brady]

Details will be coming soon everyone and all of the voiced concerns have been addresed in the design. This thing is trick beyond imagination... :PROFSheriffHL: The concept drawings do not show any of the details or options.

There will be racks, bike mounts, toilets (inside), hot water shower, great little kitchen and loads of other goodies. This is a fully integrated technical expedition solution.

At this point we should just be happy that a US manufacturer is building such a cool concept. We have blabbed for years about "wishing" something like this was available to us. It is a healthy thing for all involved.

[2006KJSPORT4x4]

WOW....awesome design and concept coming to life....can't wait to see final details and a mock-up with them. I've tossed a similar idea around with my KJ and possibly doing something similar to expanding outside the rear quarter windows like the M-classes had done in Jurassic Park 2....but we'll see...

[TACODOC]

Details will be coming soon everyone and all of the voiced concerns have been addresed in the design. This thing is trick beyond imagination... :PROFSheriffHL: The concept drawings do not show any of the details or options.

There will be racks, bike mounts, toilets (inside), hot water shower, great little kitchen and loads of other goodies. This is a fully integrated technical expedition solution.

At this point we should just be happy that a US manufacturer is building such a cool concept. We have blabbed for years about "wishing" something like this was available to us. It is a healthy thing for all involved.

Sounds like I better start saving up for a down payment... :punk03:

[devinsixtyseven]

The more I think about this, the cooler it seems, and the more reasonable the price gets.

As far as price, consider this...you probably could do it yourself for half the price, but would it be equal to the quality? In an 80K$ truck, I would guess at 20-30K in material, and easily 50K in labor...including the base vehicle and all the labor to lay out and fabricate all the pieces. I had someone else install my steering rack bushings (I didn't have time and it needed done, badly), and the labor was about 7x the cost of the parts.

I would guess, for all the goodies in this tiny rig, that it'll land pretty close to, if not slightly above, 80K$ and it'll be a good deal as well.

I think it's really cool. Sure, I wouldn't go forth expecting to run Amasa Back, but I would certainly head out anywhere that sounded good! Like my comments about Pinzgauers recently in another thread, sure it isn't a technical 4wheeler, however it looks excellent for its intended purpose, which is overland in comfort! You could still do some pretty rough trails with this rig, but if I were buying, I'd be headed to the San Juans for a week...or the deserts of the southwest for a month...I wouldn't expect to run Holy Cross, but I would expect to relax in a Baja sunset with a cold drink, a warm shower, a comfy bed, and a hot girl :D.

I see Jeeps all the time with "stuff" hanging off the back. Certainly a longboard would fit back there...and I wonder if that's not where the toilet attaches...maybe it's a hitch-a-pooper :p. (probably not)

Looks like a tidy little package, I expect they will sell very well as it's a fully functional long range camper that's smaller than the living room of some people's RV, and a great deal more capable on the back roads. I can see plenty of people who are considering an RV thinking about one of these instead. It's also much easier than the DIY approach a lot of us go for :p...if I spent the time I'm learning to build my own stuff making money instead, I could probably afford one of these ;).

It's like those little diesel Yotas with the camper hut on the back, but available in America :p.

-Sean

*edit* "Toilet Inside", while at first sounding like a funny Intel takeoff, eventually makes me think that a toilet in such a small space might well test even the stoutest of relationships if MREs (or corndogs) were on the menu!

[blupaddler]

You wonder how this all fit?

Take a look at everyone's campsites...Scott has managed to fit TONS of stuff in his Dcab. The Dude's 80 is insane and has most of these creature comforts. So, just image DesertDude's 80 with a Flip-pac grafted on top, and even more stuff inside.



Gotta go...need to work overtime. Must... buy... Jeep.:victory: ..

[Jonathan Hanson]

I'll bet this thing will amaze the doubters. First, if you've spent any time on sailboats you know that volume increases with the cube of length. A 27-foot sailboat has a lot more room than a 25-foot sailboat, and I believe the same rule will ensure a comfortable layout in the new ER on the long-wheelbase JK platform. Our Four-Wheel Popup camper fit into a six-foot truck bed, yet was very comfortable for two.

I particularly like the way the flipped-over roof forms a rear covered patio area.

As far as carrying kayaks, etc. The way the roof is configured and the way it flips, it appears you could leave your rack attached and simply remove the boats/bikes. Not a huge deal. When we had a Wildernest, which flipped to the side, you had to take off the entire rack every night. Now that was a pain.

[2006KJSPORT4x4]

Good point with the rack Jonathon...once the tent is opened with the covered patio then formed, the racks could act as a towel rack or air dryer sort of speak if your near the surf or whatnot + whatever else you could think of using the racks for once flipped over...one of the little things you might not think of when having a vehicle outfitted as such.

I'm also curious if the rear doors, even though covered up, could still open to expose access to storage, such as the water tank and toilet disposal (if there is a toilet installed in this EarthRoamer)???

[flywgn]

Man, here it is a rest day at the Dakar Rally (no oh-dark-thirty rises for me) and I thought I'd do a bit of 'browsing' at ExPo.

I've read all the posts, not to mention taking the original link over to ER, and find the project and the comments fascinating.

Diana and I fell in love with the ER when we 'tested' a few years ago. Don't know just how close we came to buying one, but it was close. I can just imagine that the folks at ER will do a bang-up job, and I agree w/BT when he quotes Aesop.

Looking forward to seeing one up close.

Allen R
(Now to chores....:wavey: )

[DaveInDenver]

When we had a Wildernest, which flipped to the side, you had to take off the entire rack every night.
Why did you have to do that? I don't have to take the rack off my 'Nest and as long as you're careful about putting the bike trays far enough towards the middle, you don't even have to unload the rack to open. Due to weight mostly, it's not easy to open with stuff on the top, but it can be done.

[Jonathan Hanson]

We had wiiiide rack bars because we carried sea kayaks.

[Sleeping Dog]

A lot of jing. My first thought is that $65-70K sounds right, but until we see an acutal spec sheet its hard to judge the value. Earth Roamer makes nice vehicles but the do gild the lilly; leather surfaces, marble counters etc.

Jeep advertises the maximum payload of the Unlimited as being approx 1050#'s figured by GVRW less the curb wt. Stripping everything behind the front seats out may get you another couple of hundred pounds. Now add back a tank of gas plus the driver and passenger, it doesn't leave much to play with.

I guess we'll wait and see.

[TACODOC]

I sat in a new Jeep 4 door today and tried to imagine fitting all that onto this platform... it is going to be a tight fit. I cant wait to see one for real :costumed-smiley-007

[goodtimes]

When I sat in a 4 door JK awhile back (before the news of the ER jeep was released), all I could think about was how big the damn thing was! But with the gear list they have, you're right...it is gonna be a tight fit.

[JPFreek1]

As Scott eluded to, there are a ton of design elements that these renderings don't do justice. I can certainly vouch for ERs design quality as I was at their shop in mid-January and the folks there are top-notch. One thing to note: the tent space will provide adequate height for people to stand comfortably and it will sleep 2 very comfortably (probably more with a tighter fit). Believe me, when this baby reaches production, it will be the envy of us all! ;) To be continued...

[oly884]

I like it, however I'll stick with my FWC and my Taco.

If I was ever going to get an EarthRoamer, I'd just get their original model. There's too much snow up here for half the year to justify spending that much on a expedition vehicle that has a tent for the top.

Now, if I were in a warmer climate where it doesn't snow then it'd be pretty sweet.

[Bella PSD]

I particularly like the way the flipped-over roof forms a rear covered patio area.

As far as carrying kayaks, etc. The way the roof is configured and the way it flips, it appears you could leave your rack attached and simply remove the boats/bikes. Not a huge deal. When we had a Wildernest, which flipped to the side, you had to take off the entire rack every night. Now that was a pain.

This is were I am at with my Flip-Pac build!! I want (need) my roof rack. I can have it flip forward over the cab and build the FP up high so it will open with a rack(7")...but unload the rack to flip. OR build it to flip open to the back!! That way I can keep the rack without raising the FP up to clear the truck and the flipped open part will make a cover. Same as the ER drawing. My camper will come off just like a slide in camper.(I hope??) Not sure if the ER 4 door JK will??

Here is a quick Chop from Photoshop
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And one on the "normal" view...The way it sits now.
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I to really like the idea of the flip going to the rear.
5747

Louie

[Hltoppr]

I like the idea and knowing the ER products, it will be done very nicely. If you had two people who wanted to go around the world in a nice platform, built to go already, this looks like quite a bargain.

The unfortunate thing for me is that now I have 3 people in my future expeditions!

-H-

[jnelson4x4taco]

Any updates? The suspense is killin me. I thought i read somewhere that they were going to have the prototype built by the beginning of this month? Cant wait to see a finished one, im sure by production it will be nothing short of perfection on 4 wheels!

[gjackson]

Saw an empty one yesterday! Very cool looking machine. Sorry I was in a hurry already so I couldn't follow and take a pic. This was about 5 min from the factory. It was dark green with the ER logo on the side. Rear hatch/door was not installed yet and the inside was bare.

But still looked aweful cool! :lurk: :drool:

cheers

[Doin_It]

jnelson says
The suspense is killin me

and then you tell us you saw one (though not quite done) that is going to drive 'ol jnelson over the edge. Poor guy. Better yet would have been to get a fuzzy pic on your phone, that would would have been the ultimate.

[JPFreek1]

Everyone:

Below is the link to the official Earthroamer XV-JP Press Release directly from Matt Nakari at Earthroamer.com LLC. JPFreek Adventure Magazine will be providing coverage of this vehicle throughout future issues of the magazine and in lieu of Scott's update (since he's out in the Arctic) I've posted it here for you. Enjoy, it's an amazing vehicle!

Frank


http://www.box.net/shared/deanqbojg9

[mountainpete]

Everyone:

Below is the link to the official Earthroamer XV-JP Press Release directly from Matt Nakari at Earthroamer.com LLC. JPFreek Adventure Magazine will be providing coverage of this vehicle throughout future issues of the magazine and in lieu of Scott's update (since he's out in the Arctic) I've posted it here for you. Enjoy, it's an amazing vehicle!

Frank


http://www.box.net/shared/deanqbojg9

Frank - any official word on pricing yet? Or is it just <(arm*leg)

[JPFreek1]

Ha! No official word yet but I suspect that it will be competitively priced for all this vehicle has to offer. Either Scott or I will keep you posted as more information pertaining to pricing is released.

[Beowulf]

http://www.photodump.com/direct/bookland/erXV-JP.jpg

Check this out....

Press Release - for immediate release

Contact: Matt Nakari
EarthRoamer, 2745 Industrial Lane #101, Broomfield CO 80020
matt@earthroamer.com

EarthRoamer announces the XV-JP!
Broomfield, CO (03/27/07)

EarthRoamer is proud to announce the EarthRoamer XV-JP! Built on the 2007 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited platform, the new EarthRoamer XV-JP combines Jeep's legendary off road capability with innovative EarthRoamer design to create a vehicle with unprecedented capability. Details and photos are attached.

About EarthRoamer
EarthRoamer, headquartered in Broomfield, Colorado is the world's premier manufacturer of expedition vehicles. EarthRoamer Xpedition Vehicles (XVs) are durable, capable, stand alone, four wheel drive campers designed to tackle rough terrain and provide a functional and comfortable living space. Unlike traditional RV's, EarthRoamer XVs are designed from the ground up for travel on unimproved roads and to provide self contained camping in all weather conditions.

More information is available at www.earthroamer.com, by calling 720 304 3174, or via email: matt@earthroamer.com

HIGHLIGHTS
Electric motor-powered Loftop™ opens to provide nine feet of interior stand-up
height, a kevlar rope-supported, cantilevered queen size bed, and a
combination tent/screen room under the rear of the Loftop™.
• Interchangeable “skins” for the Loftop™ let you customize your rig for different
weather conditions and are available in all-season, extreme cold weather, and
high temperature radiant barrier designs.
• Composite sandwich construction body provides a high strength-to-weight ratio.
• 6100 btu forced air furnace, electric fan ventilation and large windows with
built in screens and sunshades keep you comfortable year round.
• Engine-heated 4 gallon hot water tank and a 25 gallon fresh water supply
provide plenty of hot and cold water to the indoor galley and shower.
Inside cassette toilet with 4.5 gallon externally accessible cassette provides
an elegant solution to waste management – no more dragging a porta-potti
through your camper!
• Ultra efficient 4 cubic foot chest refrigerator/freezer utilizes cold plate
technology to keep your food and beverages cold.
• 80 watt solar panel and 210 amp-hour AGM battery bank provides
power to spare.
• In-dash GPS navigation/AV system with upgraded amplifier and speakers
keeps you informed and entertained.
• HID off road lights, 8 cfm air compressor, 9000 pound winch, winch bumper
and upgraded suspension equips you for any adventure

[2006KJSPORT4x4]

GORGEOUS!!!!! I searched the earthroamer site and couldn't find anything on it....hmmm

[Christian P.]

I want more pictures!

:bowdown:

Christian
www.2aroundtheworld.com

[gjackson]

Better yet would have been to get a fuzzy pic on your phone, that would would have been the ultimate.

Only my wife can tell you the contortions I was going through to get the phone out of my pocket while driving down the road and simultaneously checking out all the details of the ER Jepp going by. Ouch! AND no pic!

I still have a strained muscle in my @##!!!!

cheers

[2006KJSPORT4x4]

A little bit larger view of the deployment....

http://photos-596.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v67/100/11/56400045/n56400045_30153596_7349.jpg

[CLynn85]

I wonder if they'd sell it as a "shell" model.

I think that vehicle would fit the adventure needs of ~60% of the people on this forum.

[Christian P.]

Can we try to guess a price? let's have a contest...the closest one wins a T-Shirt or something...

I would say around $80K....

Christian

[cshontz]

http://livingromcom.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/jerrymaguire.jpg

Earthroamer XV-JP ... you ... complete me. :o

[haven]

More photos are available now on the Earthroamer web site:

http://www.earthroamer.com/jp/

http://www.earthroamer.com/jp/img_9870_std.jpg

[2006KJSPORT4x4]

Can we try to guess a price? let's have a contest...the closest one wins a T-Shirt or something...

I would say around $80K....

Christian

"I'll play your game you rogue devil you"...I'll guess $179K for the whole shibang...

[kcowyo]

:Wow1: :Wow1: :Wow1:

Wish there were some interior shots, but man that thing is hot! Love the green too. The original press release said it would come in under $100K, we'll see.

Sick outfit! :bowdown:

[2006KJSPORT4x4]

b4 or after the purchase of the JK??

[Ursidae69]

http://livingromcom.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/jerrymaguire.jpg

Earthroamer XV-JP ... you ... complete me. :o

I have to say, dood, your posts crack me up sometimes. :clapsmile :clapsmile

I'm guessing 75k delivered in any color you want.

[kcowyo]

"Pricing is estimated to be in the Sub- $100k range, including the Jeep."

Read the entire press release here (http://www.expeditionportal.com/news/EarthRoamer_XV-JP.htm)-

[VikingVince]

First of all, I think it's great that the American market now has an expedition vehicle like this...thanks to Earthroamer.

Having said that, here's my thumbnail reaction/critique: One could basically have nearly the same vehicle with the same amenities and near capabilities by putting a Flippac on a modified Tacoma. You could 'easily' create the same interior amenities...I've thought seriously of doing it myself but just haven't made the effort. (plus I bet I'd end up with more storage space!) You could just turn the Flippac around (somebody photoshopped the idea on another thread) to create the canopy/screen room.

The remaining question is the difference in offroad capability between this modified Jeep Rubicon and the modified Tacoma. Both will have a slightly higher COG...I've never found it an issue, though. Bottom line: Where can this Jeep go that a modified Tacoma like BajaTaco's can't go? And is that worth an extra $60-65K?....assuming you could create the similar Taco for $35-40K. (not to me, but then I'm frugal:drool: )

Lastly, I wonder if their market will be as large for this vehicle as their cool motorhome. I would guess that most folk buying the motorhome are over 45/50 and have $200K for the vehicle. Who's going to be spending the $90K+ for this vehicle? Fewer of the older folks with bucks...they want the comfort. 25-45 year olds? Yes, some but less than those who have the bucks for the motorhome. I'm just speculating that they'll have a smaller market for this vehicle. I'll probably be proven wrong and they'll sell more of these!!!!

Cool vehicle though...and no doubt well designed and well crafted...hats off to Earthroamer. I'm planning/saving my bucks for the XV-LT. (the motorhome):beer: For an extended expedition (like the Hackneys), the motorhome is sooo much more livable...but then again, it's back to tradeoffs!!!...'cause obviously the motorhome can't begin to go where this jeep can go.

[cshontz]

I've updated my blog with some juicy bits straight from ER. No ... I won't make you click on the link, I guess. However, if you're a search engine robot, and you're reading this, please click on the link. :xxrotflma

http://ixplor.us/index.php?/earthroamer_xv_jp_jeep_camper_introduced/

Price is around $100,000. (although we kinda knew that)
They're taking orders now for July delivery.
The pictured vehicle is a prototype with unfinished interior.
Prototype will be on display at Jeep Week in Moab.

... and you know everything else. :)

[Christian P.]

"Pricing is estimated to be in the Sub- $100k range, including the Jeep."

Read the entire press release here (http://www.expeditionportal.com/news/EarthRoamer_XV-JP.htm)-

I really like it. I suspect the inside might be a bit cramped, but it's a really nice design and I am also happy someone finally offers such a product in North America.

But I always wonder how can someone afford to use a $100K vehicle on a true overseas expedition.

My Troopie cost me $10K and it's build like a tank. It's all steel! I did not care when every passenger had to climb on the hood and bumper in order to get on the Ferry crossing to Maputo in Mozambique (because the guy in charge had me parked against the entry way!) - cause I know that is part of an African typical day!

As anyone who have shipped their truck to Australia/Africa or South America knows, you need to get a "Carnet de Passage". For most countries, the deposit for the Carnet has to be the same amount as the vehicle value.

There's only one place/person to get it in North America (with CAA in Ottawa) so there's not many way around it.

So if you make a quick calculation, you will need $200K if you intend to drive this truck across Africa assuming a selling price of $100K. And that does not include any of the other fees (shipping, fuel, etc).

Even if you can afford this, is that what you really want?

To me, one of the main goal of traveling is to meet people - whether locals or other travellers.

It would be hard for me to fully enjoy the experience if I always have to worry about the financial and/or cosmetic value of my vehicle. Or if you own a truck that's worth more than the annual combined salary of the whole town...

:p

Perhaps am I missing something?

But I would still get one for here...

Christian
:26_16_2:

[gjackson]

For most countries, the deposit for the Carnet has to be the same amount as the vehicle value.

True, for most, but for Kenya I believe it is 115% of the value of the vehicle. And the carnet has to have a deposit equal to the highest tariff country you will enter!

cheers

[VikingVince]

[QUOTE=2aroundtheworld]

But I always wonder how can someone afford to use a $100K vehicle on a true overseas expedition.

As anyone who have shipped their truck to Australia/Africa or South America knows, you need to get a "Carnet de Passage". For most countries, the deposit for the Carnet has to be the same amount as the vehicle value.

So if you make a quick calculation, you will need $200K if you intend to drive this truck across Africa assuming a selling price of $100K. And that does not include any of the other fees (shipping, fuel, etc).

Christian
:26_16_2:/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting that...That is an amazing piece of information...I had no idea that the Carnet deposit had to equal the vehicle value, and in some places more. Wow...that puts a little different slant on the necessary funds one needs to have available plus the vehicle you choose.

dang...I screwed up the quote and can't seem to fix it...oh well

[articulate]

Earthroamer XV-JP ... you ... complete me. :o
So, we're going to start up a group buy right?
:drool:

[Bergger]

It's nice but for 100k forget it. I still prefer the new conversion by Campa.

http://www.campausa.com/detailed_evs.JPG

[VikingVince]

It's nice but for 100k forget it.

I agree...unfortunately, I think the price will be prohibitive for the majority of the offroad community...but they're probably not concerned with that (although you could differentiate between offroad folk and expedition folk, even though they use similar vehicles). I believe they're doing fine with their other product so from a business standpoint, I would surmise they prefer to generate their profit on this vehicle from margin and not volume. I've never seen their facility but I would guess they're not set up for volume either, i.e. they stay in business on margin. I've heard there's a 6 month wait for the motorhome (XV-LT). But, at least the American market now has something new...it could stimulate production of a similar, lower priced vehicle, i.e. the Flippac on a pickup truck with interior amenities is so similar...or I always wished FourWheel Camper had designed a shower/cassette toilet into their units.

[jingram]

Oh crap, I just posted about this under the jeep section. I didn't even catch it down here. Feel free to remove my post mod.

[Kermit]

It's nice but for 100k forget it. I still prefer the new conversion by Campa.

http://www.campausa.com/detailed_evs.JPG

Ha...I was thinking nearly the same thing, that the EarthRoamer would be perfect on a new Tacoma.

That Campa is sweet!....prices?

Edit: I just talked to Gary, he said they range from $16-20K depending on how it is equipped.

[cshontz]

Pictures from Jeep Week in Moab. You'll pretty much want to see these. I'd embed 'em, but I can't.

http://project-jk.com/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=14583&g2_page=33

[Christian P.]

Pictures from Jeep Week in Moab. You'll pretty much want to see these. I'd embed 'em, but I can't.

http://project-jk.com/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=14583&g2_page=33


Finally!!!! some pictures of the inside...give me a little while to digest/analyze...

:arabia:

[mountainpete]

Very nice truck. Very, very nice. Did I mention it's nice?

Unfortunately to me it's become a rich mans travel the US truck. :(

[Blair G]

"Pricing is estimated to be in the Sub- $100k range, including the Jeep."

Read the entire press release here (http://www.expeditionportal.com/news/EarthRoamer_XV-JP.htm)-

You know what they say about fools and their money. The sub 100k for a Jeep and a flip top camper? They must be using the Unicat business plan. Good luck to them.

Blair

[Joaquin Suave]

Believe it or not, crusty old Joaquin wants to speak in Bill Swails defense!

I've had just a very few dealing with Bill and I'll tell you one thing...

He is not a dumb man!

Sooooo....

Rather than be critical, I say...

#1. He and his crew developed the concept, designed it, built the prototype, & now are proudly showing it in Moad! That alone is a monumental feat!

#2. The prevailing b*tch I've read is its SOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXPENSIVE! OK sure. AND tell me of anything of quality that isn't. Again in his defense...Why would anybody want to make anything if they didn't make money at it??? Sadly prestige does not pay the morgage! I'm sure Thomas Ritter (Unicat) could write volumes on this.

I've been in the position of have to tell the media (the whole fricken world) what an estimated price was going to be on a new product I'm going to release, so I know the quanrty Bill is in.

Goes like this...

If I say the price is too little when I take it to market, then have to raise the cost JUST TO SERVIVE (not profit)....I get called a shister and accused of gouging my "loyal" customers.

If I say the price is a little high when I take it to market, then I have to listen to people shrike about the price and how proud I am of my "Gizmo". But...When I get control of my manufacturing process, I'm able to lower the cost (and still profit) AND the world thinks I'm an OK guy afterall.

So I say Give Earthroamer time. Let them work the bugs out of their new product AND be grateful that there are people like Bill (EarthRoamer), Avi (US Unicat, & Daren (Ruf) that have the gut to put "their money where their mouth is", come out with such an esoteric product.

My hat is off to them! They have more guts than I do

[JPFreek1]

I agree, Bill is a tremendously talented person and the quality of his vehicles are absolutely top-notch. When I was at the Earthroamer shop back in January, I was not only impressed by the quality of their products (we're talking absolutely tip-top on the market, period) but also the intelligence and friendliness of Bill, Michelle, Matt, and the entire Earthroamer crew. These folks have breathed some fresh air into this market segment and I think that everyone is going to be absolutely amazed when/if you get the opportunity to see these vehicles in person. Props to Earthroamer for a remarkable vehicle that is worth every penny they are charging.

[Blair G]

Believe it or not, crusty old Joaquin wants to speak in Bill Swails defense!

I've had just a very few dealing with Bill and I'll tell you one thing...

He is not a dumb man!

Sooooo....

Rather than be critical, I say...

#1. He and his crew developed the concept, designed it, built the prototype, & now are proudly showing it in Moad! That alone is a monumental feat!

#2. The prevailing b*tch I've read is its SOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXPENSIVE! OK sure. AND tell me of anything of quality that isn't. Again in his defense...Why would anybody want to make anything if they didn't make money at it??? Sadly prestige does not pay the morgage! I'm sure Thomas Ritter (Unicat) could write volumes on this.

I've been in the position of have to tell the media (the whole fricken world) what an estimated price was going to be on a new product I'm going to release, so I know the quanrty Bill is in.

Goes like this...

If I say the price is too little when I take it to market, then have to raise the cost JUST TO SERVIVE (not profit)....I get called a shister and accused of gouging my "loyal" customers.

If I say the price is a little high when I take it to market, then I have to listen to people shrike about the price and how proud I am of my "Gizmo". But...When I get control of my manufacturing process, I'm able to lower the cost (and still profit) AND the world thinks I'm an OK guy afterall.

So I say Give Earthroamer time. Let them work the bugs out of their new product AND be grateful that there are people like Bill (EarthRoamer), Avi (US Unicat, & Daren (Ruf) that have the gut to put "their money where their mouth is", come out with such an esoteric product.

My hat is off to them! They have more guts than I do


I guess the thing that took me by surprise (having never really read the thread until I was on hold waiting for window bids)) was the vehicle they chose and how much they are going to ask. Aside from those people who are so enchanted with the idea (and have 100k+ to spend)of a jeep being used in such a way, who will actually buy the truck? I appreciate the fact that these people are hanging their butts out their by offering these things for sale but people shouldn't be surprised when they are shocked at the price and what would appear to be a limited application.
Blair

[articulate]

The classic answer to "How much is it?" is thus: "If you have to ask, it's probably not for you."

[JPFreek1]

One thing to keep in mind though is that specific pricing details have not been released and it's all speculation right now. Obviously there are a lot of considerations to be made when valuing a product for sale and I'm sure the Earthroamer team is working on this to make it as competitively priced as possible. Like I previously mentioned, their products blew me away with regard to quality and I'm sure that this product will be priced accordingly but not so much so that nobody can afford it.

[JPFreek1]

The classic answer to "How much is it?" is thus: "If you have to ask, it's probably not for you."

Mark, is that a new quote at the bottom of your avatar? That's a great one considering that Mark Twain was known for having the profain language of a sailor. ;)

[calamaridog]

It may not be for everyone, but thankfully someone dreams these things up AND actually builds them.

[pwc]

and people buy them, too.
it's like them pesky NAS Defender 110s. People still pay $40K (more than original sticker) for a 14 year old truck that would cost you $4K anywhere else in the world.

There are 300 million people in this country. They only need to sell X many to keep food on the table. I'm sure they have X number of people in this country to sell to.

[kcowyo]

Pictures from Jeep Week in Moab. You'll pretty much want to see these.

I'm willing to volunteer to be a test subject as a typical customer for the Earthroamer XV-JP, on a four week adventure through the SW US. You know, in the name of science, just to make sure it's up to snuff and worth the dollareenies for the more discriminatory vehicle dependent travellers we have here on ExPo.

Heck, I'll even write a review. Now where can I pick one up to demo? :rolleyes:

[Desertdude]

I had the lucky chance to see the only one in existance on display in Moab at EJS - it is an amazing piece of work. The attention to detail, quailty of materials, comfort and reliablity is quite amazing. The way the roof folds open, the interior layout and design, all first class.

My only requests;

It begs for a Hemi - 4" lift and 40" tires :peepwall:

[Scott Brady]

I was also fortunate to see the EarthRoamer XV-JP in person at the Easter Jeep Safari. The thing that immediately impressed me was the room inside. It will be a very comfortable place to spend time!

Here are some pictures: http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/shows/EJS/easter_jeep_safari.htm

http://www.expeditionswest.com/arctic_ocean/Images/trip/Easter_Jeep_Safari/EJS_%20%20211.jpg

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Ooooooooooooooooooo!

I think I just became a Jeep~Luva!!!!

NOW I GET IT!..........:beer:


http://www.expeditionswest.com/arctic_ocean/Images/trip/Easter_Jeep_Safari/EJS_%20%20211.jpg :bigbossHL:

[kcowyo]

My only requests;

It begs for a Hemi -

:iagree: I like the way you think.


4" lift and 40" tires :peepwall:
:smilies27 Your brain freeze in the Arctic or something?




The thing that immediately impressed me was the room inside.
Can you elaborate for the non-naysayers and us curious types or do we need to wait for something official, ie press release, mag article, etc.?

Gracias ~

[bigreen505]

Love it! My only real concern with them, which is unchanged from the original drawings, is where to you put things that might go on the roof of an expedition vehicle -- kayak, bikes, jerry cans, etc.? I suppose they would have to go on a trailer, and many vehicles with rooftop tents force the same considerations, but is seems like a serious consideration on a $100,000 rig.

That said, dayum, I want one.

[CLynn85]

Here's more pics of the interior courtesy of project-jk

http://project-jk.com/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=16617&g2_page=7

[Scott Brady]

Interior pictures, right from EarthRoamer!

Interior (http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/xv-jp_interior/index.htm)

http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/xv-jp_interior/img_0672_std.jpg

[Desertdude]

Originally Posted by Desertdude
4" lift and 40" tires



Your brain freeze in the Arctic or something?


nope... Just been hanging out with Dave at AEV - its a new religion :)

[Christian P.]

I want one.

price please....

[Desertdude]

100K + worth every penny...

[TACODOC]

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

[VikingVince]

100K + worth every penny...

I'd guess DD has placed his order...or will soon!!:clapsmile

[FJ Cruiser]

I think the exposed winch that helps with lowering and lifting the top is a bit cheesy. For a 100K I would think they could make a cover for it?

[cshontz]

Wonder how cog feels driving that XV-JP. There's a rig that I'd hate to flop - makes me sick in the stomach just thinking about it ... and with the Rubi base I'd be tempted to push it. Hope the loo cartridges are off-camber friendly. :(

[Desertdude]

I think the exposed winch that helps with lowering and lifting the top is a bit cheesy. For a 100K I would think they could make a cover for it?

I kind of think of it as a sail ship with the cool machine parts exposed.

[ujoint]

I got to see it @ EJS as well, awesome idea, glad to see it done. But would you choose this over a loaded Sportsmobile?

[JPFreek1]

Chances are that if you've got the cash to buy one of these, you've probably got the cash to buy a loaded sportscar as well. ;)

[kcowyo]

Freek -

I think he means would you chose the XV-JP over one of these (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=68947#post68947)

For the money it's hard to say which I would choose. The smaller Jeep for the trails or the more spacious Sportsmobile for the end of the day....?

Tough call -

[JPFreek1]

Ahh! Someone please slap me silly! :oops: