Overland Biking Southern AZ: April 21-22, 2007

[articulate]

Notice: Date has changed to April 28-29

Wanted: Bikers and drivers to make a small dedicated team who will bike/drive approximately 15 miles from Empire Ranch to a camp just within the Coronado National Forest boundary. The route passes through Las Cienegas Conservation Area – just north of Sonoita, Arizona - where we’ll see awesome native grasslands, distant mountains, several streams and perennial waters, and we’ll pass through riparian corridors and an impressive canyon. The Conservation Area is a high desert (4000 feet, give or take), so we’ll still be around mesquite, prickly pear, and others. We may have the chance to witness several types of big game, such as pronghorn antelope, white-tailed deer, javelina, and possibly mountain lion. Be prepared for broad vistas, clear skies, clean air, and quiet.

Other points of interest are Empire Ranch (a few Western movies were shot here, and it has several intact buildings to explore), and Ramsey Well – an old Fluid Drive is rusting away here. It’s going to be cool.

What I need are some partners. If you aren’t into unmotorized biking, don’t worry about it. We need a support team driving the vehicles - see the map I attached. We’ll drive to Empire Ranch, explore that for a while, and split into two teams. One will drive ahead to the campsite (coordinates forthcoming), and remain in contact with the biking team via 2-meter radios. The route is mainly an un-maintained dirt road that’s rarely traveled. I’ve driven the route twice, and it does have several good hills to peddle up and coast down. From Empire Ranch to camp will be approximately 15 miles.

Due to the size of the camp area I have in mind, we'll have to limit this to 7-8 vehicles. If I can manage to get some of you on a bike for the ride-a-long, this will be extra fun.

Who's interested? I'm definitely biking this, while Brooke will be driving our Frontier. She's going to be 6 months into the pregnancy at that time.
Here's a sampler photo of the trail:
http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/images/nissan_frontier_1.jpg

Empire Ranch:
http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/images/empire_ranch_7.jpg

Page about Empire Ranch (http://www.empireranchfoundation.org/)
Page about Las Cienegas Conservation Area (http://www.blm.gov/az/nca/lascienegas/lascieneg.htm)
My photos from a previous trip (http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/)

If you operate a HAM radio, cool. If you're into biking, cool. If you're into driving, cool. If you're into camping, very cool. I'm telling you, this will be fun.

Who's in?

Biking:
1. Mark
2. Seth
3. Greg
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Driving:
1. Brooke & Meredith
2. Erin
3. Jeff & family - ???
4. Brian (GT) on the BMW


Current plan:
Meeting Spots
Saturday April 28, 6:30am (Chandler area): Chevron at Chandler Blvd & I-10, just West of the highway

Saturday April 28, 8:30am (Tucson area: TTT Truck Stop, I-10 & Craycroft, Exit 268 Quote: "Best apple pie ever!"

[Brian McVickers]

Sweet Mark!

Count me in for the trip and put me down for traveling by bike with a HT Dual Band radio! :bike_rider: :bike_rider: :bike_rider: :punk03: :camping:

[goodtimes]

To far ahead for me to make reliable plans, but I might be interested in the 2-wheeled part of the trip. It has been a long times since I stepped over my campus beater....so we'll see if I manage to get my out of shape *** on it to prepare....

[erin]

If you need a driver, let me know. I don't have a bike, but would love to help out.

[whitethaiger]

Dang, if there wasn't such a looooong approach:26_16_2:

[upcruiser]

I'm going to be in Park City Utah till the 20th. Was considering heading down to Moab for my annual pilgrimage to bike. Roughly how many hours from Moab would you say this is? I've only been in northern AZ around the Grand Canyon, so any excuse to see some new territory would be cool in my book.

[seth_js]

Flipp'n sweet. Can I be a biker?

[articulate]

Cool. I've updated the first post to generate a list of participants.
:jumping:



Roughly how many hours from Moab would you say this is? I've only been in northern AZ around the Grand Canyon, so any excuse to see some new territory would be cool in my book.
At least 6 hours. Can anyone else confirm or discredit my claim?

Now, we need to discuss the assortments of beer we're going to need . . .

[seth_js]

You're looking at 10 to 11 hours from Moab.

[seth_js]

Hey Mark are our cars going to be safe left at Empire Ranch?

[SOAZ]

Mark,
I'd love to go. Can I put a Maybe down?! I'd love to head down there and do this ride. Maybe I'll even get a chance to hit up fantasy island or 50 year while I'm down there. Tucson has all the good trails!! :clapsmile

[upcruiser]

You're looking at 10 to 11 hours from Moab.

Eck! Little more then I'm looking to do on that trip. Have fun guys/gals!

[SOAZ]

upcruiser:
I'm sure if you took that porsche you have listed in your sig it would be more like 4.5 or 5 with the speeding ticket... :) :safari-rig:

[articulate]

Hey Mark are our cars going to be safe left at Empire Ranch?
Certainly. However, if you're not into it when we get there, we'll work it out. If nothing else, you can just pedal your worried *** back to your truck at the end of the day while the rest of us eat, drink, and act foolish 'round the campfire. ;) OR we can send a crew in a truck to retrieve the trucks.....depends on what we get for drivers and stuff.

For instance: McVickers is biking, so if he ropes someone into driving his Disco to camp that would be ideal. (just an example)

We might be re-arranging things at the last minute. Erin says he's definitely into being a driver, which rocks. Brooke, as it turns out, can't make it that weekend. So, I'm trying to find a driver for my truck and I think my brother will be into doing that. So, Seth, you and I could carpool and not worry about leaving your (or my) truck at the ranch. But it won't be a big deal to park a vehicle there.

At this point, though, we can toss everything into Erin's truck (tents, cooking gear, and all that). Those of us biking can take day packs and not have to lug everything along.



Mark,
I'd love to go. Can I put a Maybe down?! I'd love to head down there and do this ride. Maybe I'll even get a chance to hit up fantasy island or 50 year while I'm down there. Tucson has all the good trails!!
:rockon:
Of course. I hope you'll make it.

Cheers!
Mark

[upcruiser]

upcruiser:
I'm sure if you took that porsche you have listed in your sig it would be more like 4.5 or 5 with the speeding ticket... :) :safari-rig:

Ha ha, I'd love to, but the 944 is pretty much a track car only these days. No AC, no interior other then two seats. Its pretty loud, hot and uncomfortable on the highway. When I first got the car back in '95 though it made a few trips out through the Moab area. I've got a great shot of it somewhere up on the slickrock that is pretty funny, no pavement in sight. I don't think I could handle the 5,000 mile round trip in it as it sits now though. :smiley_drive:

[SOAZ]

I know what you mean. I think we have the same disease. I modded my old tacoma to the point that it was hell to drive on the highway and great offroad once you got there! Kinda pointless, but thats the disease!

[upcruiser]

So true! I think I'm finally coming to my senses and realize that I don't need to take every car to the extreme to optimize things at the expense of practicality. Some day I hope to have something like a slightly tuned WRX that will be practical and competent. Older and wiser.:p

[SOAZ]

thats what I tell myself too! Now I have a 4runner that is resisting being modded and my other car would be an old porsche or a subie! (once I can afford it. For now I'll just get an old triumph motorcycle)
Great minds! :friday:

[erin]

Ummmm...........am I going to have to rent a trailer??

Just remember, it's a Tacoma, not an F650 longbed!!

No problem hauling gear, just le me know.

[datrupr]

Mark, put me down as a maybe for a driver if you still need one, and I will Elle that weekend, so she will come along too. This could be fun.:smiley_drive:

[articulate]

Ummmm...........am I going to have to rent a trailer??

Just remember, it's a Tacoma, not an F650 longbed!!

No problem hauling gear, just le me know.
Nah, man don't worry about it. I've got a driver for my truck, so we've at least got two. If Aaron makes it, that will help as well.


Mark, put me down as a maybe for a driver if you still need one, and I will Elle that weekend, so she will come along too. This could be fun.:smiley_drive:
Fair enough. "Maybes" don't get put down. They might get made fun of, but they don't get put down. :) I hope you make it.




Some might find this enticing. I found this interesting page with 360 degree views of Empire Ranch. It's pretty sweet:
http://vr.arizona.edu/work/vaf/empire/empire.html

Also - I've updated the first post with participants. I'm going to work on getting a sponsor or two as well for some simple things like t-shirts, give this thing a little bit of officiality. Those of you who tell me "maybe" get listed as "definite" just as a suggestive measure :)

[SOAZ]

ahhhh! the commitment!! I can't handle it!

[articulate]

Date change: April 28-29, 2007
Attention fellas --- conflict with the original dates. I'm moving this back one week to the 28th and 29th. The good news is that Brooke will be able to make this one now. She'll be driving our Frontier. :safari-rig:

I talked with McVickers and he said he's likely out anyway.
Seth is still in, which rocks. Erin, Aaron - how does this sit with you fellas?

Is there such a thing as a mod who is NOT on their way to the big bad Arctic Ocean right now? If so, I beg for an amendment to the title of this thread for the new date.


Cheers,
Mark

[goodtimes]

Date change: April 28-29, 2007

Is there such a thing as a mod who is NOT on their way to the big bad Arctic Ocean right now? If so, I beg for an amendment to the title of this thread for the new date.


Cheers,
Mark

Yes, there are several. But most of us do not have the permissions to edit outside of the areas we tend to. IIRC, Jonathon Hanson is still in town (more or less), and I believe he has all the authority needed to fix the title for you. You might want to send him a PM, I don't know if he is following this thread or not.

[kcowyo]

I highly recommend FlyingWil for all of your moderator and edit needs. His truck is in Texas and his wife is preggers. That Wil ain't Flying anywhere for awhile. I hear he's working on mods for his 3 hole punch.

But as far as moderators go, Wil = 5 stars and a lot of stroke. Including the ability to clean up your mess. :shakin:

[datrupr]

The date change will work for me, but I do not have Elle that weekend, and she will be highly disappointed that she will not get to go camping. I might have to plan a small trip for the weekend before so she can go camping. She has been asking me to go camping for a couple of weeks now, and I hate to let her down.

[jeffryscott]

With the date change, I might be able to make it. Maybe even with the family ... I might even have my 2m license by then (it at least gives me a goal).

[erin]

Good to go!:smiley_drive:

[articulate]

With the date change, I might be able to make it. Maybe even with the family ... I might even have my 2m license by then (it at least gives me a goal).
Might, maybe, might.

Good enough for me! If two wrongs don't make a right, I'd say that three maybes/mights make a YES. Talk to the family, get 'em on board. That would be cool.

I do believe that late April should be very nice out there for photography.


Good to go!:smiley_drive:
:rockon:

[articulate]

http://www.markdstephens.com/images/smilies/bicycle.gif
Let's get this thing rolling again. I haven't hopped on my bike for about 4 or 5 weeks, so I biked in to work today. I'll attempt to do so twice a week.

From this page (http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort.shtml):

Numb genitals, burning pain in your crotch, bruised buttocks, saddle sores and raw, inflamed skin are some of the common problems cyclists have with their saddles.
That's a fancy way of saying, "Biking makes your crotch hurt." So I have some clever shorts with a padded saddle that look like this on the outside:
http://www.markdstephens.com/images/saddle_2.jpg
but like this on the inside:
http://www.markdstephens.com/images/saddle_1.jpg


So, if that doesn't excite you, perhaps this does:

Brooke and her sister will be driving our truck, and they will set up a tasty Saturday night meal. YUM YUMS. We'll have us a fun little fiesta in the mountains outside of Sonoita, Arizona that night. :camping:

My idea for those who want to drive is that they can cruise around to explore any of the open roads in the area or what ever. We'll meet at the campsite, and within the next couple of weeks, I'll provide a Mapsource or text file with the route to upload into your GPS unit (if you'd like one).

Again the new date for this trip is April 28-29, 2007

I have updated the first post with the list of people. If you want your name on that list, say the word.

[seth_js]

:wavey:

(I just like that smiley)

[erin]

Mark, are you still planning on camping Friday night?

[Kermit]

What route are you guys and gals doing down there? Inter-connecting/looping the 900 series roads?

And where are you camping? As a word of warning, don't camp to close to the old airstrip, it tends to get over run with quaders.

... And when you pass Rosemont Junction on the East side, heading South on 83....take a long hard look, it wont be like that for very long, there is a proposed OPEN pit mine going in there. :(

I don't know if you will have time, but, there is some decent single track on the East side of 83 in Gardner Canyon.

[articulate]

Cool. Link-a-roo to the map (http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/main_map.jpg). I don't know where the air strip is that you mention. I've camped in that very location before and it sure was mighty peaceful and scenic.

Erin, I'm not planning on camping on Friday. We're going to leave Phoenix area to get to Tucson by 8:00-8:30, meet at your favorite strip bar or whatever . . . suggestions? Seth, that means you need to drink a little lighter on Friday. :violent-smiley-031:



... And when you pass Rosemont Junction on the East side, heading South on 83....take a long hard look, it wont be like that for very long, there is a proposed OPEN pit mine going in there. :(

I don't know if you will have time, but, there is some decent single track on the East side of 83 in Gardner Canyon.
Yikes. What are they mining there? More copper? When does the diggin-n-blastin' begin?

Thanks

[erin]

Cool, you'll be here 10ish, nice warm start. Let me know when and where exactly.

[SOAZ]

ARRRRRRRRRRRGH!
I'm not going to be able to go. My charity group has an event that weekend. Damn kids! Its always about the kids! Underprivilaged such and suches! Just kidding of course, but I'd feel guilty ditching kids and going biking!! :oops:

[goodtimes]

F'in, at this point, I plan to be there...but probably not on the MTB. 75% on the moto, 25% in the jeep. I need to figure out how to camp off of the moto.....this might make a good trial run.

[articulate]

ARRRRRRRRRRRGH!
I'm not going to be able to go. My charity group has an event that weekend. Damn kids! Its always about the kids! Underprivilaged such and suches! Just kidding of course, but I'd feel guilty ditching kids and going biking!! :oops:
Wow man, they let you close to kids? Incredible. :littlefriend:




Cool, you'll be here 10ish, nice warm start. Let me know when and where exactly.
Nah, man. We'll be in Toook-sawn 8:00-8:30am. I don't have any idea where. I ain't familiar with the place. A filling station off the highway would be ideal - ideas????



F'in, at this point, I plan to be there...but probably not on the MTB. 75% on the moto, 25% in the jeep. I need to figure out how to camp off of the moto.....this might make a good trial run.
HA! LOL. Okay, this time I p-r-o-m-i-s-e this road is much tamer than that last one. But we're going to have enough truck-like things that you could toss your excess gear into any of those. If you're able to carry it all on the bike, I believe we'll test out a new nickname for you, too: Saddlebags.




:rockon:

[goodtimes]

HA! LOL. Okay, this time I p-r-o-m-i-s-e this road is much tamer than that last one. But we're going to have enough truck-like things that you could toss your excess gear into any of those. If you're able to carry it all on the bike, I believe we'll test out a new nickname for you, too: Saddlebags.




:rockon:

Actually, it is quite amazing what a decent set of tires will do for a bike :roost:.

And of course, since I am trying to figure out how to camp off of the bike, it would be kinda like cheating if I tossed excess gear in a truck...buuuttttt.....since there will be extra room available, maybe I'll talk someone into carrying an extra 6-pack for me...

oh...and no "saddlebags"....those are what you put on h*rley's....all the cool kids put panniers on their bikes. :ylsmoke:

[goodtimes]

Nah, man. We'll be in Toook-sawn 8:00-8:30am. I don't have any idea where. I ain't familiar with the place. A filling station off the highway would be ideal - ideas????

There are a couple of good breakfast spots....if'n your up for that sort of thing (The chicken-fried heart attack at JerryBob's always hits the spot).

:chef:

[Kermit]

Cool. Link-a-roo to the map (http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/main_map.jpg). I don't know where the air strip is that you mention. I've camped in that very location before and it sure was mighty peaceful and scenic.

Yikes. What are they mining there? More copper? When does the diggin-n-blastin' begin?

Thanks

The old airstrip is on your map, the little green square just below Empire Ranch. I was talking to a ranger the last time I was down there. He said the weekends were nuts with the kawds. Maybe they remedied that since last I was there.


The mine, a Canadian company owns that land just by Rosemont Junction, appartently they found a new way to extract copper. Last I heard there is a big push to keep that from happening.

Brian, that is a good place to test the bike and equipment. I think from Articulate's map, the route is a fairly easy graded road. I don't see them on his map, but, road 901 and 902 (I have dig out my maps to make sure of the numbers) head north, are a bit more challeging. Lots of baby head rocks, wash outs, sand, etc...

Edit: my maps don't go detailed enough to show the 900 series roads. They are there though, I know the area by heart, but can't recall which roads go where..I have to be on the road to tell you. I think 901 goes to an old cabin North of the ranch, which you link up powerline roads and gas line roads to end up by the air strip.

I like to run that route from Corona de Tucson, to Gardner Canyon, then Sonoita, jump on 82 east, then pick up road 910 (?11) North to the Ranch, then through a bunch of off shoots in there, then back home. A good 90-100 mile round trip.

Little report on the last run I did down there. http://www.arizonatrailtalk.com/cgi/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1159201631

[Kermit]

There are a couple of good breakfast spots....if'n your up for that sort of thing (The chicken-fried heart attack at JerryBob's always hits the spot).

:chef:

You gotta go to the TTT truck Stop....best apple pie ever!

...or Franks, Roberts, The Grill...are great greasy spoons.

..or a little finer place where all of the cool kids hang out, The Cup at the Congress Hotel (Eggs in Hell is one of my favorites) ...or the B Line on 4th Ave.,very good breakfast burritos.

[SOAZ]

You don't have to feed kids EVERY day do you?


Wow man, they let you close to kids? Incredible. :littlefriend:




Nah, man. We'll be in Toook-sawn 8:00-8:30am. I don't have any idea where. I ain't familiar with the place. A filling station off the highway would be ideal - ideas????



HA! LOL. Okay, this time I p-r-o-m-i-s-e this road is much tamer than that last one. But we're going to have enough truck-like things that you could toss your excess gear into any of those. If you're able to carry it all on the bike, I believe we'll test out a new nickname for you, too: Saddlebags.




:rockon:

[articulate]

Getting closer, fellas. The first post is updated with the current line up of pedestrians, drivers, and other participants.

I need to figure out decent meeting spot in Tucson.......that breakfast idea was a good one. HMMMM.

We're going to have a "supplied meal" on Saturday night. This is going to be a very mellow trip for those who are driving, and you'll have plenty of time to explore roads and ranches or toss a frisbee or something.

And to say it again: Date has changed to April 28-29

:camping:

[Tucson T4R]

I'm not playing on this one but I second the idea of the TTT Truckstop for breakfast/meeting place. It's just off I10, south of Tucson and it's about the last place before you leave the Tucson area heading east toward your Sonoita Area run.

Great food, easy to get to, and big enough you have to try to miss it. :chef:

Us locals use it all the time.

[goodtimes]

F'in, I think the TTT is perfect for a meet/food spot.

But I have changed my plans slightly. I think I will bring the jeep and the mongeral. I need to work a bit on my photography skilz (or lack there of). The jeep will offer a better platform to work from.

[erin]

TTT is fine with me, as good a place as any to launch from, plus top off on fuel.

[Brian McVickers]

Mark,
I have not been posting up very often lately but I am still planning on this trip. I will do it on bike and I have a dual band HT radio.

Only factors in my way as of now are
1- need to make sure grandparents can watch the kids on Saturday
2- Need to check my bike, my air/oil shocks had a bit of a puddle under them when I looked the other day -- that can't be good!

Also, would it be possible for my bike and I to hitch a ride to tucson with a vehicle from Phoenix?

Thanks
Brian:beer:

[seth_js]

Brian I would say you can jump in with me, but I've only got two bikes holders, and I'm bringing two bikes down with me.

[datrupr]

Is it possible for us PHX contigency to meet up and caravan down? That would be sweet. Brian, you can ride with me, but I have nowhere to put the bike. Do you have a bike rack that will work with my truck?

[articulate]

Mark,
I have not been posting up very often lately but I am still planning on this trip. I will do it on bike and I have a dual band HT radio.

Only factors in my way as of now are
1- need to make sure grandparents can watch the kids on Saturday
2- Need to check my bike, my air/oil shocks had a bit of a puddle under them when I looked the other day -- that can't be good!

Also, would it be possible for my bike and I to hitch a ride to tucson with a vehicle from Phoenix?

Thanks
Brian:beer:

Ok, cool. If Seth is going to take the bike for my brother, then I've got space for two bikes. Brian, it looks like you can ride down with Aaron or Seth.


Is it possible for us PHX contigency to meet up and caravan down? That would be sweet. Brian, you can ride with me, but I have nowhere to put the bike. Do you have a bike rack that will work with my truck?

Sure! We'll caravan down. Piece of cake.


Aaron and Brian: did you guys notice that the date has changed to April 28-29?

[Brian McVickers]

Cool
Yes noticed the date change

I have a bike rack that will fit into a 2" reciever and hold 4 -- yes FOUR -- Bikes!

I'll let you guys know if my bike is operable to go

Thanks
Brian

[datrupr]

Brian, I think your rack will work with my receiver so we can make that happen. I have no kid or dog coming on this trip so I have room for gear as well.

Mark, I did notice the date change.

Lets get a caravan plan together. Where, and when. Perhaps somewhere off of I-10 and Ray or Chandler Blvd. I think there is a gas station right off of I-10 and Chandler. How does that sound? and what time should we meet up?

[jeffryscott]

We are planning on it, need to camp in the back yard the weekend before to make sure the girls are up for it. I'm looking forward to it, that's for sure.

[erin]

:rockon:

Is it time to go yet...............

[articulate]

Excellent! We've got a great group here. Very cool. I'm glad to see Jeff and family are going to give it a go.

Anyone want to upload the route into their GPS? I'll post the files.

Meeting Spots
Saturday April 28, 6:30am (Chandler area): Chevron at Chandler Blvd & I-10, just West of the highway

Saturday April 28, 8:30am (Tucson area: TTT Truck Stop, I-10 & Craycroft, Exit 268 Quote: "Best apple pie ever!"

I'm giving us 2 hours to get to the Tucson meeting spot. I think that's plenty; someone can correct me.

Like Erin said: :rockon:

First post is updated with the "critical" stuff.

[Tucson T4R]

I'm giving us 2 hours to get to the Tucson meeting spot. I think that's plenty; someone can correct me.[/I]

From Chandler to TTT, your 2 hr estimate sounds about right.:26_7_2:

[datrupr]

Boy, I really hate to say this.......................................







But, I am out for this run:o . Some things have come up and I am not going to be able to make it. I was so looking forward to having SCC throw more beer on my tent too. Sorry gang, but perhaps on the next one.

[seth_js]

Man, it's probably been a month or two since I've been on the bike. I should probably take her out a couple times before next weekend.

Hey Mark, so do you want us to bring anything for this feast?

[erin]

:iagree:
Just ask if there is anything you need.

[articulate]

Man, it's probably been a month or two since I've been on the bike. I should probably take her out a couple times before next weekend.

Hey Mark, so do you want us to bring anything for this feast?
Yeah, you need to get your ... uh ... crotch "broken in." :) I'm feeling rock solid these days. I've been riding to work twice a week, and it's 20 miles one way.

Thanks for the offers on the feast, fellas. Truthfully, I haven't planned the meal but Brooke and I discussed making fajitas. Making some some yummy pico de gallo, too. If you happen to be really weird and dislike bell peppers and onions say your peace. Peppers with a kick - like jalepenos - we'll leave on the side. Cool?

Just bring your own drinks.


Aaron - sorry to hear you can't make it. I was looking forward to hanging with you again.

We need to keep our fingers crossed for Jeff, because I think he said he was going to do a "practice camp" with his kids this weekend to cozy them up for our trip. Still haven't heard from McVickers if his front shocks are okay.

:rockon:

[erin]

Peppers, bring on the heat!!

[seth_js]

I'm white boy through and through, mild for me please. :p

[goodtimes]

Bring the heat!!!!!

[Brian McVickers]

Ok, I'm officially out for this trip.
I know, I know, and I would understand if you decided to cancel the entire adventure as it will just not be the same without me, but I encourage you to continue on and explore!

Enjoy and be safe!!!

[viatierra]

Jeff-
I have cleared all the obstacles for my daughter to join the fun. Samantha always has more fun when there are other youngsters around! My fingers are crossed for getting your girls properly broken in.

Seth- Thanks for handling my bike issue. I REALLY appreciate it. I'm excited to be cruising in the open air. I'm looking to BUY a quality used ride... so if anyone knows of one...

1 week left...

[articulate]

5 days left, baby

So! Now it appears we're down to Seth, Greg and me on pedalin' bikes.

Man, I nearly forgot about the GPS file. Hang on, I'll upload it this morning.
:12_4_18:

[erin]

:1888fbbd: :friday: :friday:

Are we there yet!!

[articulate]

If you're stoked, I'm stoked. :truck:

Care to have a gps file? I hope I don't regret doing this, but here is our route in three formats in case you don't have a Garmin: here (http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/biking/)

Brian (GT), what's your steed? Crawl toy or dual sport? Will you have a HAM radio? I've got a handheld as donated by a buddy to bring along with me. FYI.


I think I have a solid count of people, except Jeff hasn't reported back about the trial camping in his yard. Jeff? Your ears on? Status report.

If any of you fellas plan on bringing a date, mention it here so I can plan well for the food.

[jeffryscott]

We're going to try ... this will be an adventure and I'm excited. I have a HAM, no license as of yet, but can monitor the correct frequency (146.520 by chance?). I plan to meet for breakfast at the TTT, then go get the family and dog and wander down for mid-day arrival (noon to 2). Does the GPS route have our camping spot?

The closest we came to the trial was a sleeping bag in the bed, but hey, we gotta start somewhere, right?


If you're stoked, I'm stoked. :truck:

Care to have a gps file? I hope I don't regret doing this, but here is our route in three formats in case you don't have a Garmin: here (http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/biking/)

Brian (GT), what's your steed? Crawl toy or dual sport? Will you have a HAM radio? I've got a handheld as donated by a buddy to bring along with me. FYI.


I think I have a solid count of people, except Jeff hasn't reported back about the trial camping in his yard. Jeff? Your ears on? Status report.

If any of you fellas plan on bringing a date, mention it here so I can plan well for the food.

[jeffryscott]

If you're stoked, I'm stoked. :truck:

Care to have a gps file? I hope I don't regret doing this, but here is our route in three formats in case you don't have a Garmin: here (http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/biking/)



OK, I have an older version of MapSource and cannot read either of the files. Any chance you can save it to be compatible with version 3? And/or can you give me the campsite waypoint ... I can at least figure some of the stuff out from there.

See you soon ...

[goodtimes]

Brian (GT), what's your steed? Crawl toy or dual sport? Will you have a HAM radio? I've got a handheld as donated by a buddy to bring along with me. FYI.

I'm planning on bringing the jeep. I just don't have the bike thing worked out yet...No 2 meter, no GPS, no laptop, no photo gear storage, no cooler for the beer, no room for my travel partner....so I'll bring the jeep which has all of the above.

I may have to pull the same trick as Jeff--meet for breakfast, then return home to wrap up a few things, and head out later in the day. Time off is at a premium right now....and I am running about 3 weeks behind on my projects at home. Every hour counts.

I would like the route info that the riders are using though. There are a couple of photo's I would like to [try to] capture, so I will meet you guys on the trail somewhere along the way.

[jeffryscott]

Jeff-
I have cleared all the obstacles for my daughter to join the fun. Samantha always has more fun when there are other youngsters around! My fingers are crossed for getting your girls properly broken in.

Seth- Thanks for handling my bike issue. I REALLY appreciate it. I'm excited to be cruising in the open air. I'm looking to BUY a quality used ride... so if anyone knows of one...

1 week left...


Cool, how old is Samantha? Chloe will be excited to have another girl (besides her sister, whom she is always asking if we can send to jail).

[articulate]

Hmmm.... Try this one:
http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/biking/las_ciengas_bike1.gdb
Saved as version 1.

How about the TXT file? You should be able to open that with Mapsource, too.

Otherwise, camp neighborhood is here: N31 46.464 W110 27.819 It's just barely inside the National Forest boundary near a place called Bear Spring. A really cool place nearby is Ramsey Well.
I'm stoked to see that you're still coming. We can get up close and personal with that 4Runner and the "new" tires. You and the family making it?



Edit:

no 2 meter, no GPS, no laptop, no photo gear storage, no cooler for the beer, no room for my travel partner....so I'll bring the jeep which has all of the above.

I may have to pull the same trick as Jeff--meet for breakfast, then return home to wrap up a few things, and head out later in the day....

I would like the route info that the riders are using though. There are a couple of photo's I would like to [try to] capture, so I will meet you guys on the trail somewhere along the way.
Ah! Cool. The route in those files is the pedal route. :bigbossHL:
The area has a web of roads, so I anticipated the driving crew to be exploring side roads and taking their time, or doing whatever makes them merry. As long as the beer is cold and plentiful, do what you will. Come take some photos, that would be sweet.

Notice, too, that the camp can be approached from Highway 82.

[jeffryscott]

Hmmm.... Try this one:
http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/biking/las_ciengas_bike1.gdb
Saved as version 1.

How about the TXT file? You should be able to open that with Mapsource, too.

Otherwise, camp neighborhood is here: N31 46.464 W110 27.819 It's just barely inside the National Forest boundary near a place called Bear Spring. A really cool place nearby is Ramsey Well.
I'm stoked to see that you're still coming. We can get up close and personal with that 4Runner and the "new" tires. You and the family making it?

That one didn't work either, but we'll get it. Yup, wife, two kids, hound dog and me. Can't wait.

[articulate]

(146.520 by chance?)
What's special about this one? It's fine by me, but I'm curious.
Don't know what to tell you about those files. ????


Since I'm lazy, any repeaters in the area that we can hit?

[jeffryscott]

What's special about this one? It's fine by me, but I'm curious.
Don't know what to tell you about those files. ????


Since I'm lazy, any repeaters in the area that we can hit?

No idea, that freq just seems to be one people use. Don't know why. I'm so new to this HAM stuff, maybe I should stick with bacon. yum, bacon.

Don't know why the files won't work either. I've never played with MapSource but I plugged in the coordinates and there are a few ways in. You guys are taking off from Empire Ranch on bikes, si? Or are you heading in off of 82? Or ar eyou being dropped off, then the drivers are heading in off 82?

Maybe you can email me a .pdf of the route in map form? jeffryscott at mac dot com ...

[goodtimes]

Jeff, I can't open the files either....and the text file is scaring me. That is alot of waypoints to punch in manually. I might have time tomorrow to move all 5 MILLION of them. :mixed-smiley-030:

Or, I could go for a ride instead.....:punk03:

Oh, I gotta go pick up my new laptop too....and dump the appropriate programs onto it (lightroom, Ozi, etc).

[jeffryscott]

Jeff, I can't open the files either....and the text file is scaring me. That is alot of waypoints to punch in manually. I might have time tomorrow to move all 5 MILLION of them. :mixed-smiley-030:

Or, I could go for a ride instead.....:punk03:

Oh, I gotta go pick up my new laptop too....and dump the appropriate programs onto it (lightroom, Ozi, etc).

Whew, glad it's not just me. Found camp, found the quick route in off of 82. Might do that, get set up then go explore.

What time are you thinking you might head out after breakfast? If it works, maybe we can wander in the desert searching together ...

[seth_js]

:wavey:

[erin]

:rolleyes:
Who needs way points, I'll just folow Brooke.

[Ursidae69]

What's special about this one? It's fine by me, but I'm curious.
Don't know what to tell you about those files. ????


Since I'm lazy, any repeaters in the area that we can hit?

That is the national simplex calling frequency according to the band plan. It's sort of analogous to CH 19 on the CB, it's the one people use to make contact, then they go to another frequency. I'd suggest using another frequency.

[articulate]

For an EXPEDITION website . . . never mind, I'll keep that comment to myself ;)


I might have time tomorrow to move all 5 MILLION of them. :mixed-smiley-030:
Perhaps I'm "Sofa King Re Todd Did". The route tool does make an anchor point with every click, but I wanted an accurate route. When I created it, it didn't actually list those 5 MILLION as "official" waypoints. Don't tell the guys at JPFreek about this, cuz I just wrote an article about GPS use . . . :bigbossHL: How about an Expedition Trophy class, or um...symposium, on mapping and GPS software???

My plan is to embark by pedal from Empire Ranch, follow the road east/ne to Mattie Canyon (powerlines are in the canyon). The canyon is cool. Climb out towards Ramsey Well and on to camp. I figured those driving would take the same route, and leave before those of us pedaling - EWW icky dust.

BTW: I told Brooke that my waypoint for camp is precisely where we camped before, but if she finds a better location before getting there to take it.
2M frequency shall be the infamous "Party Channel" 146.460 This is to avoid confusion, chaos and mayhem that Jeff likes to start :). Thanks Chuck. Brooke is not licensed either, and since I won't be in the truck to be "in control of my station," she won't be able to transmit unless there's an emergency. SO! If you roll in from Hwy 82, and no one is at the campsite marked, just follow the road westward toward Ramsey Well. I'll have a handheld on me too, so we should be able to communicate very well.

You boys are smart and adventurous. My apologies for the map files. Jeff, as you suggested, here is a map: http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/main_map.jpg
(http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/main_map.jpg).

[articulate]

:wavey:
:punk03:


:rolleyes:
Who needs way points, I'll just folow Brooke.
Now here's an adventurous soul.

[erin]

Adventerous.......nah, on track or lost, its all good, just not being in town.

[kcowyo]

Who needs way points, I'll just folow Brooke.

Now here's an adventurous soul.

For real! Oh, to have a picture of The Trench.....:Wow1: :Wow1: :oops:

[seth_js]

Saturday: Abundant sunshine. Highs in the low 80s and lows in the low 50s.

Look'n good ladies, look'n good. Especially since it's supposed to be 96 in the valley. :Wow1:

[articulate]

Saturday: Abundant sunshine. Highs in the low 80s and lows in the low 50s.

Look'n good ladies, look'n good. Especially since it's supposed to be 96 in the valley. :Wow1:
Sweet update, girlfriend. Diggin' that avatar, baby.

Uh....firewood. Who can bring a little? I nominate one of the Tooksawn chumps who want to show up late.

[BajaTaco]

Oh, I gotta go pick up my new laptop too....and dump the appropriate programs onto it (lightroom, Ozi, etc).

Dude! Congrats!! :clapsmile


BTW, this is going to be a really cool trip! I love that area of AZ. You guys and gals have a great time.

:camping:

[erin]

Is there ground fall we can burn, or will we have to bring wood for sure? I maybe be able to scrounge up something other than the Cirkle K match sticks they sell, let me know.

[articulate]

Is there ground fall we can burn, or will we have to bring wood for sure? I maybe be able to scrounge up something other than the Cirkle K match sticks they sell, let me know.
I recall that there wasn't much for decent wood around - it's alot of scrubby mesquite and prickly pear. I've got a pile of wood out back, so I'll bring a little. Perhaps it'll be enough. Care to supplement with a bag of sticks from Sac-o-Suds?

That's right . . . if you're following Brooke, watch for trenches. Ask KC.
:beer:

[jeffryscott]

I'll try to bring a bundle a well, but truthfully don't know how loaded up the truck will be so my TRY is not a guarantee.

I know, this trip for me is a bunch of might, maybe, might, I'll try's, but it's at least a go (and hopefully a stay the night without a 5 or almost 3-year-old freak out).

I plan on a few of these :beer: at the campfire, or maybe just a warm stove if we don't have wood, for sure ...

[goodtimes]

Dude! Congrats!! :clapsmile




No go on lightroom. OS won't support it (that is what you get for $50).

[articulate]

I know, this trip for me is a bunch of might, maybe, might, I'll try's, but it's at least a go (and hopefully a stay the night without a 5 or almost 3-year-old freak out).

I plan on a few of these :beer: at the campfire, or maybe just a warm stove if we don't have wood, for sure ...
Okay, you get a free pass since you're already making a big step. I'm stoked to meet your girls, as is Brooke. Samantha, who is a whoppin' 4, will be there too. I suspect they'll be tearing it up, roasting marshmellows, and having a bunch of fun. A fire is a must for the little punkitas, so as the guy "holding the pistols" I'll be sure to have plenty of wood.

[erin]

Sounds good Mark, I'll grab some wood, between the 2 of us, it should be enough for all the marshmellows and beer to be consumed in one night.

[erin]

Oh yeah, whats up with trenches???

[BajaTaco]

GT, did you already buy the Lightroom?


A fire is a must for the little punkitas...

:xxrotflma :sport_box

[Ursidae69]

Oh yeah, whats up with trenches???
:lurk: :lurk:

[viatierra]

Man, I stop lurking for 2 days and there's a tone of activity here...

Jeff- As my kid brother said earlier, Samantha is 4 and loves new friends with marshmellows.

Count'n the final days!

[seth_js]

Hopefully Samantha will enjoy the desert a little more than the snow (I absolutely love this picture).

http://www.markdstephens.com/photography/fun_or_not.jpg

[goodtimes]

Hopefully Samantha will enjoy the desert a little more than the snow (I absolutely love this picture).

http://www.markdstephens.com/photography/fun_or_not.jpg

:xxrotflma

That picture is freekin' AWESOME!!!!!!!!

Baja--yes, I have lightroom on my desktop.

[erin]

:xxrotflma :xxrotflma :xxrotflma

That picture made my morning, that is outstanding!!

[viatierra]

Yep... You know Mark. He has the golden touch when it comes to capturing a moment on film. Since we're here, try another one taken at our proposed campsite. Samantha is a sucker for Uncle Mark's Campin' Pancakes! :chowtime: :chowtime:

We're pumped for Saturday morning!

[erin]

:truck:

Who's ready to go?:punk03:

[goodtimes]

Are you kidding? I have absolutely no prep work done....and a long list of things to accomplish before I start!

[erin]

I didn't say i was loaded, just ready to go!!! I am lucky i remebered to freeze so cold packs this morning.

[articulate]

Are you kidding? I have absolutely no prep work done....and a long list of things to accomplish before I start!
What's new, right? :REOutArchery02:


Mmmm.... how about vehicle graphics made up for the truck that read, "Home of Uncle Mark's Campin' Pancakes!"

[kcowyo]

AdventureCakes
DiscoveryCakes
ExplorationCakes
OverlandCakes
ExpeditionCakes
DudeCakes
SonoranCakes
AgaveCakes
FrontierCakes
BajaCakes
ASCakes
WirelessCakes
KewlCakes
WaypointCakes
12VCakes
HandbrakeCakes........

:costumed-smiley-007

[erin]

AND..................F'Ncakes

[JPFreek1]

:xxrotflma

That picture is freekin' AWESOME!!!!!!!!

Baja--yes, I have lightroom on my desktop.

That truly is one of the most funny and enlightening photos I have ever seen. Classic!

Have fun out there this weekend fellas. If only I were in AZ...

[articulate]

Have fun out there this weekend fellas. If only I were in AZ...

Get this, from weather.com for Sonoita, AZ:
A mix of clouds and sun with the chance of an isolated thunderstorm in the afternoon. High 77F. Winds ESE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 30%.

I'm still going, but we may be dealing with some cruddy weather. As usual, it only rains on the weekends. :) Then again, a short t-storm in the afternoon will be kind of fun. If we get started pedaling at 10:00 or 10:30, we'll be done by 2:00 including some diversions and a slow pace.

[erin]

least it will cool things off, it is pretty warm here today.

[seth_js]

I may have to back out last minute... I had a gnarly day on the lake today. Think I have a concussion. If my head is still pounding tomorrow morning when I wake up, I don't think I can hack it.

Mark, if I don't feel up to going, I'll still meet you out at the Chevron to drop a bike off for Greg.

[articulate]

I may have to back out last minute... I had a gnarly day on the lake today. Think I have a concussion. If my head is still pounding tomorrow morning when I wake up, I don't think I can hack it.

Mark, if I don't feel up to going, I'll still meet you out at the Chevron to drop a bike off for Greg.
Good thing I checked in . . . damn bro. Sorry about your skull. You going to be up at 6:30??? Damn....

[articulate]

Seth I sent you a PM with my phone number. Just call me in the morning. I can come pick that bike up ....

[Tucson T4R]

Looks like these folks got a few showers today. Didn't look like anything too heavy but there was a lot of lightning this afternoon. Here's a shot looking south from Tucson of a lightning caused fire burning in the Santa Rita mountains. This is at least 30 miles NW from where they are camped so no worries but I bet they can see this burning from thier campsite. It looks like it may be on the ridges above Gardner canyon. :eek:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m125/bgarland40/DSC02785.jpg

[goodtimes]

We did not see it from our camp, but I noticed it on my way home today. The riding team lucked out in that there was no rain for them to deal with, but plenty of wind to make up for it.

It was a fun trip, and I think we have another one that will be in the works soon. Jeff had a great idea for a late spring/early summer trip...we'll have to do some research.

[goodtimes]

"Easi-awn, so easy even a pregnant woman can do it"

:jump:

[jeffryscott]

it was a great trip, except for the wind. It was the girls' first camping trip (and the dogs) and they all did great. Greg brought his 4-year-old, Samantha, and Chloe thoroughly enjoyed having a friend. Aubrey was busy stuffing her face and fending off dogs and collecting rocks.

Kudos to Mark and Brooke for organizing this and thanks to everyone for making Biscuit and the girls feel welcome.

[articulate]

You guys rule. Check out those photos!

While riding, we had 2 or 3 moments of sprinkles but mostly a wind that seemed to blow from hell itself. Sand and dust blasts to the face. A handheld 2m radio is pretty worthless in the wind. The camp at Ramsey Well cut off a few miles of our ride at 12.8 total.

It's a pretty area don't you think? If you recall this morning where we went left at a fork in the trail, the right fork makes a broad loop north and then back to that main road. I believe it's rougher. It goes to some place called Apache Springs, so I presume there is some water up there. Then again, Las Cienegas translates to "wetlands." Cienega Creek runs all year long.

Thanks for coming out fellas. I hope you had fun despite the crud weather. I wasn't in charge of that part.

I'll post a few photos in a couple of days.

This can be moved to completed.

[viatierra]

Once again, Samantha & I had a great weekend!

Shout HOLLA to the following PEEPS for making our trip possible
(Seriously, THANKS!!):

Mark & Brooke - for hauling us around and planning such a cool trip.

Seth - for providing a set of wheels I could pedal.

Jeff & family - for taking Samantha under your roof and showing her a good time.

Brian & Brooke - for driving out to save my wore out arse!

Erin - for driving the trail FOUR TIMES to get us all to camp and back out...

You guys always prove to be a solid group to play in the dirt with.
'Til next time!

[goodtimes]

. . . If you recall this morning where we went left at a fork in the trail, the right fork makes a broad loop north and then back to that main road. I believe it's rougher.

I believe this is the fork I took initially. It is indeed rougher. Is this the trail that comes back into the main road just before the ranch? I was curious where it went, so I followed it a mile or so before returning to the main road and catching up with the rest of the group.

It was a fun trip. Cherokee is wiped out. Still sleeping (after her bath).

[erin]

Great trip, thanks to Mark and Brooke, even with the wind. It was good to see everyone, and really glad Samantha enjoyed camping without the snow!!

Even gotta a decent shot of a Mojave for Chuck that I just missed coming over a burm at about 40!! Needless to say, he wasn't very pleased with me! LOL

Thanks Again, good times as always

[kcowyo]

Cool adventure! :bowdown:

GT got some sweet photos, Seth got out of bed (:clapsmile ), Brooke is now a rounder hottie, kids and pups abound, Jeff's 4Runner looks awesome and F'n is still passing the buck.

And that's how it should be - :beer:

[articulate]

Brooke is now a rounder hottie....

And that's how it should be - :beer:
Way to go with the emphasis on rounder. Shall I tell her you said that? Yeah, take lessons from that guy ..... sheez. :luxhello:


. . . and F'n is still passing the buck
I passed the buck to a pair of dudes who came through with some sweet photos, too. Suckah.

Passing the buck. Nice one.

[articulate]

I'm done passing the buck, as KC calls it.

Here we go:

Classic scene from the trail. Cloud cover, dirt road, and mesquite trees
The girls supervise
Seth pumps away, and is working with a half tank o' gas and throbbing skull from waterskiing
Does this one need a caption?
Brooke makes everything look like fun


Okay, 'nuff for now. The really good ones have to go someplace "special." :) Thanks for making this trip happen folks.

[jeffryscott]

cool pics ... so is something special something we have to wait a while for which an issue of will soon show up at our door?

And thank you for making this happen ... Chloe said she wants to camp everynight, and Aubrey shook her head in agreement .... they are very excited about the next chance we can get, which is exciting to me since it wasn't ideal camping weather with that wind and she still wants to go. WhooooHooooo.