What is Fat_Man doing in the Toyota forum? Advice..?

[Wanderlusty]

Ok, what is a Jeep guy doing posting a thread in the Toyota thread for? Because he is pondering switching teams...that is why....

So, like the first step of a 12 step process, I have admitted it. Now I need advice.

Anyone who has read my "Rubi Worth It" thread knows that I have been back and forth on the new JK about a dozen times. I think I am slowly coming to realize that despite how awesome it is on paper, I am just not sure I like it. (Don't hold this sentence against me if one still ends up in my driveway...)

Anyway, I have found a DC Taco (with TRD :wings: ) at a local dealer, and taken it for a test drive. I need some advice now.

Stats:

2003 DC Taco TRD with locker. 48K miles. Tan interior. Gold Exterior. Asking price: $19,900.

That price, from what I have seen, is not bad, but not great either, but that is before any negotiating.

The truck is pretty low miles for the year, but they appear to have been miles where the truck was used as it was intended. The stock rims seem as if they have been chipped on the surface, the tires, while still some decent tread, are somewhat chewed up (though it is a cheaper tire, available at Wally Marts, so it doesn't surprise me it is beat up) but tire wear seems even.

It already has some 'Desert Pinstriping" but nothing really bad. My Jeep has worse 'stripes' than this one does.

It has a K&N filter, but it is FILTHY. I think that if I had to guess, the previous owner lived on a dirt road.

The interior seems pretty clean, but some of the plastic seems a little worn. I believe it was a smokers vehicle, but it is not overpowering.

So aside from model and such:

What should I check out on this thing?

Price? Good, bad, horrible?

Am I missing any thing?

Just so you know, this isn't a whim flight of fancy. For every time I have gone looking at "Project JK" I have checked E-Bay and Toyota dealers for a deal on a Taco. I have always dismissed them as too pricy, and even this one...I admit sticker shock even now....but it is cheaper than many I have seen.

With the kiddo here, even if I considered a JK, just not sure if that is the right form of transportation for me.

I miss having a truck bed. And while I love the soft top, I admit I barely take it down.

I am not saying that I WILL get this truck or that I WON'T get a JK, but I am thinking hard on this one. It is one of the first times I have seen a DC TRD locally.

Hit me with advice, criticism, disbelief, whatever. Lay it on me.

I plan on trying to keep it over night tomorrow, check it out closely, snap some pics, etc, if it is still there tomorrow.

For it to happen, a lot of things have to fall into place. I need to sleep on this for a night or two, but more to the point, for it to even be considered, I need to knock some price off the Taco and get about top dollar for my TJ. This may be hard, with the "Pinstripes" and the primer colored rear tailgate (a la phone pole) so it is an uphill battle to say the very least...

Ok, hit me with the advice!

:truck:

[jeffryscott]

buff the TJ, go to NAPA and get some factory-matched spray paint for the tailgate and see what happens.

I love the JK. I love the idea of it, like the looks of it and love that you can take the top off. I miss going topless.

I also love the DC. 48K is just a baby mileage-wise. This would be a hard call, but even at 19K, it is a substantial savings off the Rubicon, so you could build it up quite a bit more.

good luck, it's a tough call as both are great vehicles ...

[CLynn85]

I'm facing the same thing right now. The jeep is getting on up there, and while it's perfect for around town, local trails, and top down driving, it's horrible in the winter, hauling anymore than a bag of groceries, and highway driving. There's some big maintenance issues coming up soon that I'd rather not dump money into on a vehicle in it's condition, especially with rust starting to peek through in a couple places.

I'm looking at a Nismo frontier or a TRD Sport Taco, both used at local dealers.

I've looked several times and driven the JK's, they just don't appeal to me. They don't seem to have the character that my TJ does, just doesn't feel right.

So not that all that helps, but just wanted to say you're not the only one with those thoughts regarding a change.

[flyingwil]

If it is white go for it! LOL

I looked at a ton of Taco's before I picked mine. I would definitely knock the price down, and see what you could do. I got mine used for about 18k with about 50k on the odo 2 years ago.

The thing I noticed is the TRD scam, and people just slapping the stickers on the rear, and then no locker! Yikes.

The biggest thing to look is the ball joint recall, and the dash rattle. other than that is is just like looking at any other used vehicle.

[Wanderlusty]

This would be a hard call, but even at 19K, it is a substantial savings off the Rubicon, so you could build it up quite a bit more.


This is what I am also thinking. And I know that a TRD Taco is going to get me everywhere offroad I would want to go, too. Mods or not.

[Wanderlusty]

I've looked several times and driven the JK's, they just don't appeal to me. They don't seem to have the character that my TJ does, just doesn't feel right.

That is exactly the feeling I get. I think the biggest thing that bothers me is that the entire dash and steering wheel are set up differently. Placed differently in orientation to the driver, and a smaller steering wheel. That really bugs me.

One thing about the Taco that was a pleasant surprise is that I climbed in and everything pretty much was where I was used to it being. It felt very familiar and similar to the driving position of the TJ.

Groceries...good point. Kid...that is the bigger point. Carseat and SWB TJ...really don't belong in the same sentence....or paragraph...

[Wanderlusty]

If it is white go for it! LOL

Nope. Gold. Sorry.


I looked at a ton of Taco's before I picked mine. I would definitely knock the price down, and see what you could do. I got mine used for about 18k with about 50k on the odo 2 years ago.

I would be pleased if I could get it down into that ball park, maybe even a little less.


The thing I noticed is the TRD scam, and people just slapping the stickers on the rear, and then no locker! Yikes.

Fairly sure this is legit. While having it overnight, I will test it to be sure, but it has the locker switch on the dash. It also has a ECT switch, that I guess is something to do with changing shift points? Owners manual was not exactly helpful in this regard.

Dealer is the local Ford dealer that has been here almost 100 years. I have bought from them before (in hindsight, they kinda screwed me a bit on that one) but overall are reputable. Don't think they are in the business of scamming fake TRD's...unless THEY got scammed.


The biggest thing to look is the ball joint recall, and the dash rattle. other than that is is just like looking at any other used vehicle.

Well the dash rattle seems obvious enough to diagnose. I don't recall hearing one, but I didn't take it off paved roads either.

The ball joints, how would I find out on that? And in both cases, if it posesses either issue, is this "run away" or "easy fix" stuff?

Thanks for all your help guys. Keep it coming. It is 2:30 AM. My mind won't let me sleep for all the pondering I am doing...

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

I have a really built unlimited. Everytime I see a dc taco go buy, I say there goes my truck (Especially the 02-04 body style)... For what it's worth. I don't know if it's the grass is always greener complex or the I'm getting older and wiser stuff.

[flyingwil]

The ball joints, how would I find out on that? And in both cases, if it posesses either issue, is this "run away" or "easy fix" stuff?
ther was a complete recall. You should be able to look it up by the VIN at a Toyota Dealer. I think there might have been a fuel line recall too, but I think that was only up to 2001's:confused:

[mightymike]

FWIW, I sold my (TJ) Unlimited Rubicon last year and am planning to get a DC Tacoma 4wd very soon. The off road capability of the Rubicon couldn't be beat for my needs, but with two kids and camping/hunting/fishing there just wasn't enough room. I've looked at the four door models but they are really not that much bigger. Since this was our newest car, it was also the designated "travelling" vehicle, and the TJ's leave a lot to be desired in that category. I loved the soft top, but worried about leaving stuff inside (I never let it get out of sight if my hunting guns were inside). I bought a used military trailer to haul some junk in, but the same security issues were present. (I realize that a window can be easily and quickly smashed, but I believe in making it as tough as possible for the bad guys and hopefully out of sight is out of mind). We soon realized that we should have purchasd a crew cab 4wd truck instead. Since my '93 Toyota is still going strong and has been the most reliable vehicle I've ever had, a new Tacoma makes the most sense for us.

[crawler#976]

The dash rattle is no biggy - 3/8" x 1/2" foam exterior door seal cures that quickly when pressed into the seam between the dash and the window.

Smoke odor is difficult to remove. My truck was sold to me as a non-smoker vehicle, and the interior had been cleaned the day I bought it - the seats and carpet was still damp when I bought it. Obviously there was no odor at that time. I've since cleaned the interior several times, and the only thing that seams to work is Fabreeze unsented, and I use it about every 6 months.

Mark

[calamaridog]

It is worth it to travel and find a better vehicle for that kind of money. That sounds very high, even for a Toyota.

If I'm shopping for a used car, I'm looking for the one that was NOT driven on a dirt road. The newer, the better, since most 4x4's never leave the pavement, why buy one that has.

[devinsixtyseven]

Some bottom lines:

The TRD package is a waste of money for what you get. You can source an e-locker as a takeoff part for cheap, if you wanted one, but if you skip the TRD package, you'll be dropping the price several thousand dollars which you can either save for other non-truck-related things in the future, or turn right around and get a good set of coilovers and uniball upper control arm, a pair of good shocks for the rear, better spring pack in the rear, even a pair of TRD stickers, for less than the cost of the TRD package. In addition, the non-elocker trucks have a stronger rear differential (Tundra and unlocked Taco share the same diff), which can be upgraded with an ARB air locker...then you'll have an air source as well. The TRD package is only important if you intend to resell the vehicle, as the included packages are referenced from the VIN number. I *had* the TRD package on my truck, currently there isn't a single TRD part on the truck--shocks too soft, springs too soft to do any kind of rough 4WD work with a loaded truck.

Any vehicle that's been smoked in will always retain a hint of the smell, same with a vehicle that carried pets...it'll always be there, unless you swap all the upholstery. Anything you do is masking the odor, not removing it. The PO of my truck had a dog with white hair, I'm still finding reminders five years later, though you wouldn't notice from a cursory glance after the dealer scrubbed it out at POP.

With a K&N filter and pinstriping, I would expect dirty oil and unknown condition of the differentials. Personally, if I can tell it was driven offroad, I assume the PO had no idea how to drive offroad and damaged the diffs, tcase, engine, etc. in the process. My truck had a metal milkshake in the front diff when I bought it, didn't find out until a few weeks later. If you get this truck, delete the K&N before you drive it off the lot, those filters are crap. I believed the hype for a while, don't make the same mistake. Also it's worth checking the diff fluid yourself, if they give you the truck overnight. Only takes a minute, refill with any 75W90 hypoid. Also FWIW Toyotas get plenty of trades just shy of 30K, 60K and 90K...right before major maintenance intervals. If you can, check all the fluids, but also IMHO if you gotta do all that, you're better off finding another truck.

With under 50K, you might be fine with the truck since the K&N presumably hasn't been in long enough to cause major engine damage, but change the air and oil filters, and the oil before it leaves the lot if you do buy it. Bring it up with the dealer and let them know you want it done. Of course, they may balk as they can always find a sucker who thinks K&N makes their truck a powerhouse vs an expensive dust buster.

The price is average and the condition completely unknown and IMHO debatable as it's pinstriped and running a K&N air filter. You will do better from a private seller, then purchasing an aftermarket warranty from Landcar or somewhere--plenty of places sell them, even dealerships (Toyota, obviously). If you can find an "unspoiled" Tacoma without the TRD package from a private seller, and it's relatively (hour or two away) close, it will be a better deal in the long run unless you never, ever plan to modify the truck.

My gut feelings:

Don't get this one. Too many unknowns, high asking price, and a potential waste of money with the TRD package.

For comparison, my roomate recently got a single owner Audi S4 (TT) for 16.5, late model, great shape, reasonable mileage, from a private seller. Dealerships wanted ~25+financing for the same build, similar mileage and condition.

-Sean

[mtnbike28]

I just picked up my DC last Nov. I paid the same as your asking price for 40k miles on an 02. That said, I could not find a 4x4 DC in the area cheaper unless they were beat up or high mileage. Ford dealers must think they are made of gold, my local Ford dealer had one '03 75k plus miles and he wanted 23k for it and it was a little beat and he wasn't willing to budge. On the recalls, the dealer can search for, not a big deal. I have a family of four and we did a 12 hour round trip for Christmas in it and everyone was happy. Also now after driving in 2 feet of snow, I can say it does great in snow. I have had a blast in over 200 miles the last 2 days.

hth

Jay

[DaveInDenver]

The TRD package is a waste of money for what you get. You can source an e-locker as a takeoff part for cheap, if you wanted one, but if you skip the TRD package, you'll be dropping the price several thousand dollars which you can either save for other non-truck-related things in the future

I'm not sure I would go quite that far on a Tacoma. I do think TRD on a Tundra seems like a waste of money, but the e-locker in a Tacoma makes it IMO a genuine upgrade. If you get a Taco without TRD, you get the 8.4" diff (like you mention, same as the pre-'07 Tundra). That makes the e-locker swap impossible without swapping the whole axle. So that locks you into the ARB route. I have Air Lockers and they're fine, but the e-locker has different characteristics that make it nice. If I hadn't done double lockers, I would probably given much more consideration to the e-locker swap. One place that getting TRD is nice is that it's covered under the factory warranty, which I doubt it would be if it was a swap. So being that this truck has 48K on it, it will still have the original drivetrain warranty coverage. That's not an insignificant benefit I think. Also, it might be really tough (or impossible?) to find a Double Cab without TRD anyway.


With under 50K, you might be fine with the truck since the K&N presumably hasn't been in long enough to cause major engine damage, but change the air and oil filters, and the oil before it leaves the lot if you do buy it. Bring it up with the dealer and let them know you want it done. Of course, they may balk as they can always find a sucker who thinks K&N makes their truck a powerhouse vs an expensive dust buster.

Don't get this one. Too many unknowns, high asking price, and a potential waste of money with the TRD package.

I wholeheartedly agree on the K&N. My limited experience is that you do get more dirt in the engine with them, based on a couple of used engine oil analyses that I did. Mine was only the factory replacement, this might be less of an issue with the FIPK kits if you add the pre-filter. But a brand new Toyota filter flows air just about as well when new. Yup, they clog up and need replacement, but when you think about it that's good. Otherwise, where do you suppose the dirt is going? It has to be blowing by the K&N and into the engine, otherwise it would have to eventually clog, right? How can you say you can go 50K between cleanings when my air filter is filthy in 6 months? I dunno, seems intuitively wrong. But also keep in mind that I live in the dry, dusty high desert plains and that's brutal on air filters.

Also, I happen to agree with Sean that I would pass on this truck. No way in heck I would buy a truck that was owned by a smoker. That smell will never really leave and it's gonna sneak back up. I'm terrible with pricing, so it might be high, I dunno. But winter, Double Cab, Toyota, probably the high point of pricing for the vehicle.

[Wanderlusty]

Well, unless it is gone already, I am going to at least check it out over night, and check some fluids, etc.

I have always wondered about the K&N filters. I bet they are pretty decent brand new, but beyond that...maybe not so much...

I only had about 20 minutes to crawl around it and drive it yesterday during lunch, so I did not get to closely inspect all I would want to.

I think the real tell will be crawling underneath. If it shows signs of being dragged along stuff and what not, then it has been used. If it looks good and the fluid looks good, with the fact that the tires are cheapies and I only see a few 'pinstripes' it may be no more serious than having lived on a dirt road, and a few trips in the brush. I can't fault a vehicle for that alone.

On the TRD thing...yeah I am not sure I have ever seen a DC that was not TRD. They may exist...but....

On the price, that is just the walk up and ask price. That is with zero negotiating. Based on what Flyingwil gave for his, a couple of years ago when his truck was similar age as this one is now, respectively, and comparitive mileage wise, I think if I can get it down to 18K or lower, it would be ok.

I bought the Jeep in Dallas, so I have travelled for vehicles before. But, I have routinely cruised E-Bay and local dealers inventories and DC Taco's just don't show up very often. Well, lots of Pre-Runners do...

The smoking thing...I honestly did not notice. My wife did. I personally can deal with it, especially if I can use it as an angle to negotiate.

I will know a lot more when (if) I get it home and check it out more thoroughly.

The price to me is high right now but not far off. I have seen MORE expensive ones with HIGHER miles. What would you think would be a good price? If people know where Taco's are going for cheaper...clue me in...

There was an extended cab Taco in the paper private owner lately, but I really need the DC if I am going to go to the trouble of changing vehicles.

This is literally probably the 2nd time I have even seen a used Taco on the local lots in 6 months or more. Nobody wants to get rid of them!

Oh, and as an addendum, it tracks straight on the interstate, so I think it is sound there.

Again, thanks for the advice...

[Joaquin Suave]

If I didn't have all my boutique hardware (Scrambler w/MBZ diesel,etc.) I'd be driving a Taco in a FLASH. Over the last 10 years I've seen almost all of my Baja adventure comrads go that route! Talk is talk, but Baja roads a F*cking brutal.

I've been told that eather the 02' or 03' model has the transfer-case clocked (to the right I believe) so that a rigid axle could be swapped for the IFS.

[longbed]

Fat_man,

If you do end up getting it I have some stuff that you clean the inside of the car with that really helps get rid of the smoke smell. A friend used to work for the company and he gave me a couple bottles. When I bought my 99 Tacoma the po smoked cigars and it got rid of that. I still have an unopened bottle that you can have, I would just need to ship it to ya!

Anyway good luck with the decision!

[crawler#976]

check the Kelly blue Book for your location - in my area the 2003 DC TRD lists at $20,000 at that mileage.

http://www.kbb.com/

[Wanderlusty]

Well....

There is an almost 100% chance I will NOT be getting that Tacoma. Right now I am so angry I could spit nails.

I called the salesperson this morning, arranged for the overnighter. I get there during lunch.

The salesperson and I are literally finishing the paperwork for the overnight test drive. She goes to get the temp plates. WHILE THIS IS HAPPENING....some dude who came in AFTER ME walks in, grabs another salesperson, who grabs the keys while my salesperson is grabbing the plates in another room..

NOW as we speak, that guy is working the deal and even though I called first, was first to the dealership today and HAD PAPERWORK IN HAND for the overnighter, per the sales manager:bigbossHL:...ITS ALL ABOUT WHO GETS THE KEYS FIRST.

:ar15: :violent-smiley-031: :mad:

I said before that the last vehicle I bought from them, they screwed me....and THEY JUST SCREWED ME AGAIN!!!!!

If that deal falls through...I will ponder trying to deal, but boy will I rake them over the coals to make that deal....

If the truck is sold. I will NEVER EVER EVER set foot on that dealership's property AGAIN!

But...who knows...maybe it is a sign....but that still does nothing for how :mad: I feel right now....

[DaveInDenver]

If that deal falls through...I will ponder trying to deal, but boy will I rake them over the coals to make that deal....

Dude, that stinks. What a sleazy dealer. Personally, that would be enough for me never to buy anything from them anyway.

[Wanderlusty]

Dude, that stinks. What a sleazy dealer. Personally, that would be enough for me never to buy anything from them anyway.

You are probably right. It's hard, though, because these trucks don't grow on trees around here...

We will see what comes of it. No call yet from the salesperson. The longer it goes, the worse it looks, so guessing I will probably not have to worry about it....

[Wanderlusty]

Not that it matters, but I sent the owner and general manager an e-mail voicing my displeasure on how I was treated.

[tacollie]

That sucks about that dealer. As far as your delema of a Tacoma or a Jeep. You kind of have to pick the lesser of to evils. When I bought my Taco I was
also looking at a sweet wrangler. It was a 2000 with 5K miles on it, warn 9000, MTR 33x10.50, front and rear arb lockers, 3" terra flex lift, top of the line rancho shocks, and rock ware sliders and bumpers. It was sick. And to top it off it was owned by family and I had put half those miles on it. He wanted 22K. I ended up with the Tacoma because it was better all around. But I do lots of snow driving and things like that. I also got my truck from the dealer with the TRD package and 1k miles on it for 20K. So my point is you know which vehicle is better for you. The jeep handled like crap above 60. My truck is lifted 3" and I can still do 80 very nicely. This is important to me because I can only afford one vehicle. If you do decide on a Tacoma, think about what you want it to have and then look online. Auto brokers are awesome and if you can save 4k by buy away from home then even after you fly to wherever and drive home you will still save a ton of money and have what you want. What ever you do don't settle on a crappy truck or bad deal because it is close to home.

[Wanderlusty]

Well, the GM actually called me to apologize and say he would investigate. Again, if the vehicle is sold, isn't much they can do now, but I do appreciate the effort on their part to apologize.

I think I may have overstated the condition it was in. It was not 'pristine' but it was a good looking truck. Felt pretty solid. The price...seems pretty debatable how good or bad the price is. It is not too far off KBB value. And it was pre-negotiation price at that.

[calamaridog]

Don't take this the wrong way, but maybe it was for the best. K&N filters scare me and dirty ones are even more scary.

You may need to broaden your search area. Try Atlanta maybe.

Private party sales are a good bet or Certified Used of a Toyota dealer IF the dealer is legit.

Another (better) one will come around eventually.

[Wanderlusty]

Don't take this the wrong way, but maybe it was for the best. K&N filters scare me and dirty ones are even more scary.

You may need to broaden your search area. Try Atlanta maybe.

Private party sales are a good bet or Certified Used of a Toyota dealer IF the dealer is legit.

Another (better) one will come around eventually.

Dallas would be closer. Though I had already searched a couple dealers there. Would just need to keep my eyes open.

On E-Bay, there is a sweet looking one in Indiana. A year newer to boot...but also pricier....and farther than I would like to go.

So I have heard several comments about the K&N filters being not only not up to the hype, but actually detrimental...I have to say this surprises me.

All I know is that when it comes time to trade, I hope I don't forget to swap out my Optima battery.:D

And definitely right it may be for the best. I believe in "signs" and this may have been one...

[Maddmatt]

Here's my advice: Sounds like you want a Taco (good choice by the way), so get an auto broker. You just tell them what you want and they find it for you, the one I used when I bought my Taco (2002 dbl cab TRD, $25k brand new in /02, and they threw in LineX in the bed) charged her cost plus $400 for her time. She actually specialized in used vehicles, but I really wanted new at the time. Even took tradeins. The only downside is that you need to know what you want, but the one I used had a "satisfaction guarantee". If the vehicle showed up and wasn't in the condition you thought, you don't pay - no harm no foul.

[Wanderlusty]

Here's my advice: Sounds like you want a Taco (good choice by the way), so get an auto broker. You just tell them what you want and they find it for you, the one I used when I bought my Taco (2002 dbl cab TRD, $25k brand new in /02, and they threw in LineX in the bed) charged her cost plus $400 for her time. She actually specialized in used vehicles, but I really wanted new at the time. Even took tradeins. The only downside is that you need to know what you want, but the one I used had a "satisfaction guarantee". If the vehicle showed up and wasn't in the condition you thought, you don't pay - no harm no foul.

Recommend anyone?

[Mlachica]

Recommend anyone?

You may also try www.carmax.com (http://www.carmax.com). I've never personally dealt with them but you can search their nationwide inventory and have a vehicle delivered to the store nearest you.

And for FWIW my 02 DC TRD had the lower ball joint recall and fuel line recall. And I think the dash rattle can be addressed with some foam tape. You can call toyota direct to see if the vehicle you're interested in has had the recalls fixed, if not just make an appt and they'll take care of it for you. The number is probably on Toyota's site, if you can't find it I probably have it somewhere.

And buy the TRD, it's worth it.

[DaveInDenver]

Dallas would be closer. Though I had already searched a couple dealers there. Would just need to keep my eyes open.

You know that you can search dealer inventory for certified used Toyota's website?

Toyota CUV (http://www.toyota.com/html/tcuv/index.html?language=E)

Also, don't forget CrazedList (http://www.crazedlist.org) for multiple Craigslist searches.

[Maddmatt]

Recommend anyone?
PM sent.

[Wanderlusty]

You know that you can search dealer inventory for certified used Toyota's website?

Toyota CUV (http://www.toyota.com/html/tcuv/index.html?language=E)

Also, don't forget CrazedList (http://www.crazedlist.org) for multiple Craigslist searches.

Well, am about 20 pages deep searching inventory and I have came to a couple conclusions...

1. 19,900 appears to be about par...even lower than many.
2. There are ENTIRELY TOO MANY Pre-Runners....

[Wanderlusty]

PM sent.

Thanks...I will check them out...

[cshontz]

David, I approve of your interest in a dcab Taco. I also approve of your interest in a JK Unlimited. The big thing you're losing by forgoing the Wrangler is open-air driving. That is something I miss terribly going from a TJ to an XJ. Otherwise, you'd be gaining a proven vehicle with ample utility that is well-suited for what you do.

Good luck! :D

[Tucson T4R]

Lots of good advise from all.

I purchased my last two vehicles through online websites like www.autobytel.com. You submit what you want and nearby fleet dealers will contact you with offers. No hagling, just a bottom line price. If it fits and you like it, you just swing by, sign the papers and pick up the vehicle. :wings:

I usualy pay around $200 - $500 over dealer invoice. I'm happy & they are happy and no negotiations required. A much more relaxed process.

[mtnbike28]

wow dash rattle fixed....

thanks crawler 976
'
The dash rattle is no biggy - 3/8" x 1/2" foam exterior door seal cures that quickly when pressed into the seam between the dash and the window.'

i picked up 1/2 round seal from home depot and it fixed it in the parking lot. thanks, i had searched that rattle and never found the easy fix.

jay

[Wanderlusty]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Toyota-Tacoma-SR5-4X4-TRD-OFF-RD-DBL-CAB-36K-MLS_W0QQitemZ220083054799QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6439QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thoughts on this one? It is a good ways away (ROADTRIP!) but it looks very clean, is a year newer, and has about 12K fewer miles. Really dig silver, too.

And only about 1500 more asking price than the one I looked at locally, before negotiating.

[jeffryscott]

that looks great. I know when I was looking for the 4Runner both the 'runner and DC were difficult to find. The sales folks I talked with said they are often sold before they make it out of refurb, so it was rare to see them on the lot.

If you are decided on a Taco, I'd say grab one (talk to Mark in San Diego for a super sweet one, and a heck of a road trip too) when you see it if it works.

Another idea from the peanut gallery - JK's will start showing up on the lot used in the next few months. You could possibly get a great deal on one of them.

I love my 4Runner (it's gold - would have preferred several other colors - but do like this one), but my favorite 4wd I've owned in many ways is still my little Samurai. Living in the SW, there is nothing like running with the top off especially on the trail. With a family though, the creature comforts and security of something like the 4Runner are much more advantageous.

So, maybe what I'm saying is buy it now on ebay. It looks clean and I don't think you'd regret it. It is a solid, reliable and capable platform (as you well know).

but then again, doing a search of my local jeep dealer, a JK, 4wd, X is in stock for 23K ... not much difference in price and plenty capable out of the box.

Tough call, go with whichever gets the heart racing .... it's no fun driving something you just aren't excited about.:clapsmile

[Wanderlusty]

Well, I am going to try and deal on the one on E-Bay. I have been in communication with the dealer.

We have an agreed price, but the trade, they will not give me a ballpark on until they see. That is fair, but it makes me nervous.

My wife is cool with it, though, even if it ends up being a wasted trip.

Only downside at this point....they will not hold it until Thursday at the earliest, based on me wanting to come up on the weekend.

Again that is understandable, because even if I go up there, there are no guarantees if I get up there and there is something about that truck I don't like or something about my Jeep they don't like.

So wish me luck on it, and cross your fingers it is still there on Thursday. It made it through several days on E-Bay and still isn't sold...so keep fingers crossed...

As a believer in sighns, I will just have to sit back and see what happens. If it gets sold before then....it is just a sign.

Irks me, though, that I got farther in about 30 minutes on the phone with this guy than I got in 2 days with the local dealer.

[Wanderlusty]

Well, still nervously waiting for Thursday. I could buy the truck sight unseen, but I really need to know what they are going to do on trade. And I need to actually take a look at the truck in person. It looks awesome in pictures, but until you see it in real life...

Anyway, as a contingency, I have been searching through the Toyota website looking at pre-owned.

I have a few 'backups' ranging from Ohio to Florida to Texas. None are quite as good of a deal, or as low miles, but would still be good trucks.

I keep telling myself that if it is meant to be, it will happen.

I can't recall being this nervous about buying a vehicle before. Strange...

[jeffryscott]

Good luck, if it is meant to be, it will happen.

I'd given up on finding a 4Runner in my price/mileage/year range when I just happened by a place and bam, the next day I had it.

Let good karma be with you, or should that be truckma?

[Wanderlusty]

Let good karma be with you, or should that be truckma?

:D

Maybe it should be (in this instance) Takarma?

Yep...just letting it ride right now. These trucks are hard to find...but not IMPOSSIBLE to find by any means.

The good thing is that my finance company is easy to work with and everything is ready to go, so whenever the right deal does work out...I have one less worry.

[Wanderlusty]

:peepwall:

Hmm....roadtrip?

:truck:

Hmm....

;)

[Kermit]

I occasionallly look through the Trader out here in Tucson. Always seem like there are always a bunch of Tacomas for sale. The price you are seeing seems a bit high.

http://www.traderonline.com/

http://www.autoextra.com/search/vehicle


Toyotas were rare back east at the time, I was surprised how many are out west when I moved here.

[Wanderlusty]

I occasionallly look through the Trader out here in Tucson. Always seem like there are always a bunch of Tacomas for sale. The price you are seeing seems a bit high.

http://www.traderonline.com/

http://www.autoextra.com/search/vehicle


Toyotas were rare back east at the time, I was surprised how many are out west when I moved here.

I have spent the last week going through hundreds upon hundreds of ads. And prior to that, a casual browsing of local and nationwide dealer inventories as well as E-Bay. Based on the price I currently have agreed on for one, I have not seen any cheaper in any part of the country. I can provide more details when/if the deal gets done.

I am seeing consistently prices in the 22-24K range for DC Tacos (2003 and 2004) with TRD. I am not going to pay that much for them, but they seem to be going for that much in a lot of the country.

Keep in mind, I am only speaking of 'sticker' price. What the final negotiated price is...WON'T be the same.

I have heard several people say that those prices are high, but even when I browse the links people give me, it just reinforces that that is what they are going for now.

If people know where you can get a sub 50K or even better sub 40K mile DC Taco TRD in good shape for $17K-$19K....lemme know, but so far I have not seen an abundance, if any, no matter what part of the country I look in.

I seriously appreciate all the help, links and advice from you guys.:26_7_2:

[Kermit]

Have you thought of using a broker? You could buy one without the locker and ad one later. ARB or salvage yard.

..and yes there are alot of PreRunners!!!

[2006KJSPORT4x4]

Hey there Fat Man...

I'm over here in Memphis and did a quick autotrader.com search and found a DC Tacoma 4x4 in Jonesboro. (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?rdpage=thumb&car_id=216502921&dealer_id=1392923&car_year=2002&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=75&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=19500&cardist=67) Not a TRD but thought it might interest you just the same.

Here is a Private Seller listing in Kansas.2002 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=217091724&dealer_id=59489881&car_year=2002&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=100&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=67133&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=19500&cardist=12)

Here is a 2004 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=215596575&dealer_id=1359323&car_year=2004&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=100&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=22500&cardist=78) in Milan, TN.

Here is 2002 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=217162109&dealer_id=73301&car_year=2002&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=200&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=22500&cardist=184) in Marion, IL.

Here is 2003 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?rdpage=thumb&car_id=211972980&dealer_id=73001&car_year=2003&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=200&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=22500&cardist=200) in Owensboro, KY.

Here is 2004 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=213912248&dealer_id=57309076&car_year=2004&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=200&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=22500&cardist=165) in Benton, AR.

[Wanderlusty]

Have you thought of using a broker? You could buy one without the locker and ad one later. ARB or salvage yard.

..and yes there are alot of PreRunners!!!

I know how things go for me, and between finances and convincing the wife, if I don't get one with a locker in it up front, I doubt it would ever get one.

PreRunners....sheesh. They look just the same, and not every ad says it is a 'Runner up front. So you see an ad, see a good price, then you see the interior pics....cupholders where the t-case shifter should be. :oops:

[Wanderlusty]

Hey there Fat Man...

I'm over here in Memphis and did a quick autotrader.com search and found a DC Tacoma 4x4 in Jonesboro. (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?rdpage=thumb&car_id=216502921&dealer_id=1392923&car_year=2002&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=75&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=19500&cardist=67) Not a TRD but thought it might interest you just the same.

Here is a Private Seller listing in Kansas.2002 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=217091724&dealer_id=59489881&car_year=2002&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=100&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=67133&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=19500&cardist=12)

Here is a 2004 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=215596575&dealer_id=1359323&car_year=2004&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=100&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=22500&cardist=78) in Milan, TN.

Here is 2002 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=217162109&dealer_id=73301&car_year=2002&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=200&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=22500&cardist=184) in Marion, IL.

Here is 2003 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?rdpage=thumb&car_id=211972980&dealer_id=73001&car_year=2003&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=200&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=22500&cardist=200) in Owensboro, KY.

Here is 2004 DC Tacoma 4x4 TRD (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=213912248&dealer_id=57309076&car_year=2004&model=TACOMA&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=200&make=TOYOTA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=38018&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=22500&cardist=165) in Benton, AR.

Man, thanks for taking the time to do that!

There are some nice trucks there (save for private seller, it was no longer listed) and some decent prices.

Several of those trucks had higher mileage than I am wanting. So I think that has been the story. I am looking for that balance between low price and low mileage.

The more stuff I see, the better I am feeling about the one that, if all is as advertised, will be in my driveway by next week.

I will report back with how things go.

[devinsixtyseven]

~70K miles isn't hardly broke in. A hair under 18K$ might be a bit much, but if you're trading or can talk them down, that non-TRD Dcab in Jonesboro would be a great platform.

Yes it does not have the elocker but the 3rd member is stronger than the elocker 3rd, and you'd be amazed what it's possible to do with open diffs...it's kinda like having front suspension on your mountain bike and then going back to rigid. Really gets you practiced at picking and holding good lines, all sorts of things. I'm still running open...for now :sombrero:.

-Sean

[Wanderlusty]

~70K miles isn't hardly broke in. A hair under 18K$ might be a bit much, but if you're trading or can talk them down, that non-TRD Dcab in Jonesboro would be a great platform.

Yes it does not have the elocker but the 3rd member is stronger than the elocker 3rd, and you'd be amazed what it's possible to do with open diffs...it's kinda like having front suspension on your mountain bike and then going back to rigid. Really gets you practiced at picking and holding good lines, all sorts of things. I'm still running open...for now :sombrero:.

-Sean

No stranger to open diffs here. It is all I have ever had. Wanting to expand my capabilities.

Just 'cause I may end up with a locker does not mean I will use it every I go off-road. Famous last words, I am sure....

[DaveInDenver]

No stranger to open diffs here. It is all I have ever had. Wanting to expand my capabilities.

Just 'cause I may end up with a locker does not mean I will use it every I go off-road. Famous last words, I am sure....
I have my rear locker engaged almost all the time off highway, if I'm in 4-low. My reasoning is that with a full spool locker (be that a Toyota e-locker, Air Locker, Lincoln locker) each axle will get exactly half the torque. An open diff always gives one wheel 100% of the torque. Obviously turning on pavement or slickrock requires opening the diff, but on dirt, mud, etc. I believe it's better to leave the rear locked all the time.

[Wanderlusty]

The garage has a new occupant. :truck: :wings:

Haven't had time to upload any pics. If I can get to it before dark tonight, I will post 'em up.

I am very impressed with the truck. Now, if I can just get some mods going!

I do have my Optima that I took out of the Jeep....so, 1 mod down!

[devinsixtyseven]

Woohoo!!

Whadja get? Whadja get?

(Like I am anyone to be bugging someone for photos :p...)

[jnelson4x4taco]

i woke up this morning and thought to myself..... *sniff* *sniff*.....I smell new toyota owners.

Congrats on whatever it is you got (assuming its a toyota) and i look forward to seeing some mods and pics soon.

[Wanderlusty]

2004 Silver DC Taco with TRD. I can't say enough good about this vehicle. It just keeps on impressing me. And I haven't even had it off road yet!

[jeffryscott]

congrats. was it the ebay one? Looking forward to pics - it must have been meant to happen ...:smiley_drive:

[Wanderlusty]

congrats. was it the ebay one? Looking forward to pics - it must have been meant to happen ...:smiley_drive:

Yes, the one from E-Bay...but not at the price the auction ended at. That was some kid who signed up right before they bid. The dealer didn't even take it serious.

I got it for $19,500. For the low miles and condition (like new) I think that was a decent price from what I have seen. I am sure there may be cheaper ones out there, but not that I was able to find.

Got a lot more on trade in than I was expecting, too, so that really was nice.

It was a smooth transaction all around. People were very nice. I just wish the dealers locally treated their customers like these folks.

I thought it was a great excuse for a weekend in Chicago. My wife and I really had fun getting away.

Do I recommend everyone drive 600 miles to buy a car? No.

But for a couple of folks that love to travel and were looking for a weekend away (dropped kiddo with the g'parents) it was the perfect excuse.

Chicago is a cool city, too. Definitely falls under the 'great place to visit but wouldn't wanna live there' category...but it IS a great place to visit....enough so I may try to go back some time I have more than a weekend to spend.

[CLynn85]

Congrats! Two Jeep - Taco Converts in one weekend lol.

[Kermit]

You gotta change that avitar now..;)

[kcowyo]

Hey wow! Congrats on the new TuRD! :clapsmile

[Wanderlusty]

^ How's this one? :hehe:


You gotta change that avitar now..;)

[mountainpete]

Congrats David! You're going to love the Taco - soon you'll start adding extra cheese and hot sauce to it :luxhello:

[cshontz]

That is awesome, David! Congrats! ... and don't forget pics!

[Kermit]

^ How's this one? :hehe:
Perfect!!!

[datrupr]

Congrats on the Taco purchase David. Please, we just gotta see it. I am sure it is a beauty!

And Carl, did you get a Toyota too?? Don't hold back on us.

[kcowyo]

And Carl, did you get a Toyota too?? Don't hold back on us.

He did! (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4461)

You ever gonna spill the beans on your new toy from Xmas???????????????

[Wanderlusty]

By the time I was able to get away from work it was already dark. I am hoping to snap some pics tonight, though.

For now, you can check a couple pages back for the E-Bay auction where I found it.

Still, nothing better than pics of it in your driveway.

Well, there is one thing better....pics of it on the trail!

[Wanderlusty]

My kid has been sick so I have not had a chance to sneak away and get some pics of the :truck: in it's "natural" habitat, so here are some from the dealer as I was picking it up. Oh, and one of me standing in front of "Sue the T-Rex" at the Field Museum.

[kcowyo]

I'm liking that Silver FM! :clapsmile

[datrupr]

Very nice David. Good color too. I just see one problem with it........




It appears to be TOO CLEAN!! I think it could really benefit from a few carefully placed "Desert Pinstripes".:D

[Wanderlusty]

Very nice David. Good color too. I just see one problem with it........




It appears to be TOO CLEAN!! I think it could really benefit from a few carefully placed "Desert Pinstripes".:D

Agreed! Though I think I will still try to keep this thing generally cleaner than I kept the Jeep. I think I washed it 3 times in the 2 years I had it. And the 3rd time was as I was cleaning it up to take for trade in.

That first scratch will hurt a little with this one, but after that....:hehe: