El Camino Del Diablo: (2/23-26/2006) [Archive]

Scott Brady

11-28-2005, 06:54 PM

NOTE: CLOSED PLANNING THREAD. VIEW TRIP REPORT HERE (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13315#post13315)

I consider this more of "Expedition Lite", but a true adventure none the less. This is as remote as you can get in the 48 states, and the total trail is over 150 miles.

I have driven this trail twice, but both times were a little rushed, so I want to take my time and explore a bit.

Thursday Night: Motel in Yuma, dinner with the group.

Friday: Leave for Tinajas Altas, drive Cipriano Pass, and we will camp in proximity of the Tinajas Altas Mountains

Saturday: Drive along the Cabeza Prieta Mountains and have lunch at Tule Well. From there we will cross the Pinacate Lava Flow and camp near Papago Well

Sunday: Up early, and drive into the Organ Pipe National Monument, stopping at Bates well for lunch. On the road by 2:00 in Ajo.

For more info on the trek:

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2002/ECDD_2002/index.html
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2003/ECDD_2003/index.html

Attendees: This trip is closed

1. Scott: ARB 4Runner with Adventure Trailer
2. Al: Tacoma
3. Brian: Discovery
4. Vince: Tacoma
5. Jonathan and Roseann: Tacoma
6. Mark: 06 Frontier
7. Dude: Tacoma
8. Uwe: 4Runner
9. Ed: FJ40 with Adventure Trailer
10. Chris: Tacoma

Scott Brady

11-28-2005, 07:33 PM

TRIP DETAILS:

Thursday Night, Feb 23rd:

Meet in Yuma. I will be driving from So. Cal., and the great thing is that my dad will be along. It will be the first trip I have done with my father, so it is pretty exciting.

I will be arriving around 5:00 PM, and will be checking into the:
Fairfield Inn Yuma
1801 S. Sunridge Dr.
Yuma, AZ 85365
(928) 345-1800

For some reason, there is a run on rooms in Yuma that night, so rates are a little high. :(

We can do an informal group dinner at 7:00 pm at:
Bella Vista Italian
2755 S 4th Avenue
Yuma, AZ 85364
520.344.3989

Thursday evening alternate group: Chris (BajaTaco) will be meeting up with several people from Arizona at the I-8/Wellton exit #30 on the south side of the interstate at 5:30 PM MST (AZ time). After meeting, we will head in a west/sw direction and find a suitable place to bivouac for the evening. Chris will be monitoring the CB and 2M radios until all scheduled parties arrive at camp. The camp group will depart no later than 9:30 a.m. MST on Friday, so we can meet up with the other group at exit #14 (Fortuna Mine Rd.) at 10:30 am. It is important to note that anyone who decides to camp here will probably want to have their CDD permit in hand. Otherwise you will need to leave early on Friday morning, to allow time to get into Yuma and visit the military office to obtain a permit.

Friday Morning:

8:30 am SHARP, we will leave the Fairfield Inn Parking Lot and travel to the Marine Base to allow those who have not obtained a permit to get theirs. The office opens at 9:00 am. Their number is 928 269 7150.

Range Permits, 3980 Ave 3 East, Yuma, AZ 85365

Meet at 10:30 am at exit 14 off of I8

From the exit, we will drive the Fortuna Mine Trail and link back up with the Tinajas Altas Pass. A short detour to Cipriano is also scheduled and the final drive through the Tinajas Altas and on to our first camp near the tanks.

Saturday:

Leave at 9:30, which will allow great images from the rising sun and some morning exploration of the Tinajas. Make way to Tule well and the Pinacate Lava Flow. We will camp at or near Papago Well.

Sunday: Wake early to take advantage of the light, and continue through Cholla Pass and into the Organ Pipe NM. Stop at Bates well. Road conditions improve after Bates Well, and we will make good time into Ajo. I expect we will arrive around 1:00pm.

Remember all times are AZ

Scott Brady

11-29-2005, 12:15 AM

Additional Trip Information:

Critical Items:
CB Radio
Front and Rear Tow Points
Tow Strap
Minimum of 5 gallons of water
5 LT rated tires of equal size
Jack and lug wrench
Inspect all belts and hoses prior to the trip, replace if necessary

Policy on Illegals:
You can stop and offer food or water, never take an illegal in your vehicle. It is illegal to transport.

This trail is not difficult, but will bring out the weak points in your truck. Hoses, belts, water pumps, transmission temp (deep sand) and suspension components due to weight.

Scott Brady

11-29-2005, 01:09 AM

Radio Frequencies:

CB: 7

2M: 146.460

articulate

11-29-2005, 02:44 AM

Damn Saguaros won't leave my daydreams alone.....
That's a coincidence. Damn labors of the middle-class won't leave my saguaro daydreams alone. :archaeolo

I opened the link and Jack Dykinga is one of the photographers. That man can shoot.I think Chuck Bowen (Dykinga's companion on the expedition) is a damned clever writer with his propensity for the witty and wistful in the same moment. Bastards. :bowdown:

flyingwil

11-29-2005, 04:49 AM

I want to be in the line up if a slot opens up! Sounds and looks like a lot of fun!

awalter

11-29-2005, 04:01 PM

I would really like to take an El Camino del Diablo and Mojave Road combo SW trip sometime, perhaps with Joshua Tree or Death Valley as the final destination. Damn Saguaros won't leave my daydreams alone.....[/QUOTE]

KC,
You've listed some of my favorite spots on this earth. Whenever you get the time to get back down to the SW, we can put a nice trip together for you. :jump:

Al

Desertdude

11-29-2005, 08:54 PM

Pasquale -

If the owner looks like this guy, don't eat there. He'll burn your eyes out with a hot soldering iron.

Joe Dirt! Joe Dirt!
------------------------

Saguaros are the reason I came out to the SW

Scott Brady

12-01-2005, 02:18 PM

The attendee list is updated.

This trip is going to be a BLAST!

Scott Brady

12-01-2005, 05:33 PM

I will be going to the AZPLIC located in downtown Phoenix next Friday mid-morning.

If anyone wants to meet up for breakfast and then head over there, let me know.

And if anyone is able to play hookie from work, we can head over to the Sand Expo (http://www.azsandexpo.com/) and Truck Expo (http://www.arizonatruckexpo.com/) at the Arizona State fairgrounds. It was pretty cool last year...

Ted

12-02-2005, 11:39 PM

Hey Scott,

Let me know if you get a cancellation. I have been wanting to do this trip for some time. I may even have my Series IIA ready by then.

Cheers,

Ted

Scott Brady

12-03-2005, 02:38 AM

I may even have my Series IIA ready by then.

Now that Ted, would be very cool, and a ton of fun to see on the trail :jumping:

DesertRose

12-03-2005, 03:27 PM

Scott,

Looking forward to the trip!

Are we getting our permits individually or as a group?

Been a while since we've done it, and I haven't gone in from that end without stopping first at HQ in Ajo.

Roseann

Ted

12-03-2005, 08:15 PM

Now that Ted, would be very cool, and a ton of fun to see on the trail :jumping:

I hope you're right Scott - I am doing everything I can to keep it looking like the classic 40 yr old LR it is. But with a new V8, NV4500 5 speed, Disc Brake conversion and a few other little gimmicks, it should wheel pretty well. :D

Anyway, the Disco's ready even if the Series isn't if you get some room on this trip.

cheers,

Ted

Ted

12-03-2005, 08:27 PM

durango_60

12-06-2005, 03:15 PM

I'm running this trail with a different group in January, if anyone is interested in joining us drop Pskhaat or myself a note.

My specific question is about vehicle selection... I've got a dilemna here, I'm kinda in between trucks as I just bought a 97 FZJ80, but I still have a nicely built 85 FJ60. For comfort reasons I would certainly rather take this trip in the new truck but it will be in unlocked :mad: stock form, other than a sweet TRD Supercharger :gunt: . My question is will there be any obstacles that would behoove me to take the 60 with lockers, winch etc...?

All input will be greatly appreciated.

I'm also looking for any advice on the best way to rationalize to my dear wife getting the 80 lifted, locked, and protected before this adventure.

awalter

12-06-2005, 04:23 PM

My recollection from a couple of years ago is the majority of the route does not require 4WD. Any stock high clearance 4WD vehicle should have no problem.

Scott Brady

12-07-2005, 02:34 AM

Stock, high clearance 4wd.

A few arroyos will give you pause. Christmas Pass is a little rocky. Sand is deep in spots.

I think I could drive the whole trail in a RAV4

durango_60

12-07-2005, 02:26 PM

Thanks for the replies, 80 series it is! :clapsmile

Boston Mangler

12-15-2005, 12:25 AM

Attendees: This trip is closed

1. Scott: Tacoma
2. Al: Tacoma
3. Brian: Discovery
4. Vince: Tacoma
5. Jonathan and Roseann: Tacoma
6. Mark: 06 Frontier
7. Dude: Tacoma
8. Uwe: 4Runner

Stand-by:

1. Wil: Tacoma

Can i please get added to the Standby list?

Thanks

pskhaat

12-15-2005, 04:51 AM

Scott, is it true everyone must watch a video in person now?

Boston Mangler

12-18-2005, 02:05 AM

Sweet! I look forward to hopefully making this trip and meeting you guys!

Hoping a spot opens up! :victory:

Scott Brady

01-13-2006, 06:49 PM

Can everyone please confirm their status for this trip? I have a few on standby that I need to give a final word to.

I am also going to plan a trip to the AZPLIC office in Phoenix in the next week or so to get permits. The AZ contingent can meet up and have lunch and then get the permits.

:elkgrin:

Brian McVickers

01-13-2006, 07:10 PM

Wahoo!
I am full-on confirmed go ahead for this trip.
It will be myself, Amy and maybe Oliver.
We'll have the Land Rover, but I did give serious thought to bringing our Toyota Rav4 after reading the post above!
Grandma and Grandpa are scheduled to watch the babe and we are very excited!:jumping: :jumping:

articulate

01-13-2006, 07:29 PM

!Excelante!

I'm 100% too. My Super Cool wife can't come, so I completely understand if you don't want me around without her :p

Mark

Scott Brady

01-13-2006, 07:40 PM

!Excelante!

I'm 100% too. My Super Cool wife can't come, so I completely understand if you don't want me around without her :p

No worries Mark, you are equally as cool :beer:

Brian McVickers

01-13-2006, 07:56 PM

Scott,

I'm sure this info is soon to come but I was wondering if you have an idea of the itinerary of activities and if we need any specialized equipment for any of them. I think I remember you mentioning the opportunity for some rock climbing?:rappel:

Thanks
Brian

Desertdude

01-13-2006, 08:09 PM

Desertgirl and I are a solid yes - in the Tacoma - I will have a new knee by then and will need to use it :Wow1:

Scott Brady

01-13-2006, 08:18 PM

awalter

01-13-2006, 08:21 PM

I'm a go.:clapsmile

whitethaiger

01-13-2006, 09:10 PM

Scott,

We are also still on.

Do you have any more info (or a link) on the permits, where to get them, etc.? I suppose everyone has to get theirs in person?

Desertdude

01-13-2006, 09:58 PM

Scott, If you are talking AZ state land permits - We have those :wavey:

BajaTaco

01-14-2006, 01:51 AM

El Camino del Diabl:sunny:

I am a "definite" :D Hopefully Mrs. Baja will be along. If not, I will secure a passenger, as this is one not to miss, and a seat absolutely cannot go wasted.

Scenic WonderRunner

01-14-2006, 02:20 AM

Scott.....

Please put me on the "Stand By List"......meaning if there is room for me..........I would love to join you guys if it works out. The "Scenic WonderRunner" is healed.........so I'm up for some trips!

~Mark

articulate

01-14-2006, 06:56 AM

Scott.....

Please put me on the "Stand By List"..........I would love to join you guys if it works out. The "Scenic WonderRunner" is healed.........so I'm up for some trips!

~Mark
Holy cow....If I were to actually meet you in the flesh...

Between the two of us, I'm thinking we're going to fill up the Expedition Portal period quotient. How many times have you had to replace your keyboard from a faulty "." key? ;)

I'm very excited to meet the folks on this list, as I only know Scott, Uwe, and Chris:

1. Scott: Tacoma
2. Al: Tacoma
3. Brian: Discovery
4. Vince: Tacoma
5. Jonathan and Roseann: Tacoma
6. Mark: 06 Frontier
7. Dude: Tacoma
8. Uwe: 4Runner

Cheers,
Mark

Desertdude

01-14-2006, 02:06 PM

Mark - the first few lines of your website profile resonates - (having auditions thousands of drummers) it made me laugh. :D

I look forward to meeting you too on this trip... :camping:

articulate

01-14-2006, 06:40 PM

Mark - the first few lines of your website profile resonates - (having auditions thousands of drummers) it made me laugh. :D

I look forward to meeting you too on this trip... :camping:
:sunny:
I'm all jazzed up now! I've read some warm comments about your music...I hope you intend on bringing your guitar.

Mark

Desertdude

01-14-2006, 08:53 PM

:sunny:
I'm all jazzed up now! I've read some warm comments about your music...I hope you intend on bringing your guitar.

Mark

AH shucks :elkgrin:

Yes! and maybe a few surprises...:coffee:

awalter

01-16-2006, 04:05 PM

Scott,

We are also still on.

Do you have any more info (or a link) on the permits, where to get them, etc.? I suppose everyone has to get theirs in person?

Uwe,
Permits can be obtained from the Range Management Department Box 99160 Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, AZ 85369-9160 Phone 928-269-2799. I'm planning on getting mine 1st AM on Friday.

Desertdude

01-17-2006, 01:42 AM

Are the permits State land trust - or BLM - ?

Scott Brady

01-17-2006, 01:47 AM

The permits are actually Barry M Goldwater Range Permits. They are a hold harmless permit for entering the range.

Since so many require the permits, I am going to adjust the schedule so that everyone can take care of the permits on Friday morning. Look for more details early next week.

BajaTaco

01-17-2006, 04:58 PM

What about the permits for the section through Cabeza Prieta NWR? We need those as well, no?

Scott Brady

01-17-2006, 07:01 PM

Well, thanks to the good doctor (Ed), he researched the permit situation and found that the process is much improved:

"Marine Corps Air Station
HRO Range Permit Office
Box 99104
Yuma, AZ 85369-9104

I sent an e-mail to AZPLIC and they in turn directed me to a website for info on permits for the Barry Goldwater Range:
http://www.luke.af.mil/StaffAgencies/RMO/RMO_visitors.asp

I just spoke with a guy at the Yuma Marine Corps Base. He says we don't have to watch the video any more. It can all be done by mail.

Download the Hold Harmless/Application form from the website, complete it, send that along with a copy of driver's license and a stamped self addresssed envelope to them and they will issue the permit and mail back.

Whew...that's a relief. I was wondering how I would be able to watch the video, etc., and not have to go a day early.

Hope this info is useful!

Ed"

Scott Brady

01-17-2006, 07:03 PM

Chris,

Good question on the NWL permit. I dont know the answer to that. Hopefully I can follow-up next week to find the details.

awalter

01-17-2006, 07:33 PM

Scott/Chris,

My understanding is they are all the same. My old permit is marked:
BMGR/CPNWR Permit # *******.

According to my old "Information Sheet" from 2003, the permits are issued for entry to the Barry M. Goldwater Range, Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, or The Sand Tanks(formerly Area A).

I also tried to down load your link, but nothing was there.

whitethaiger

01-17-2006, 08:33 PM

I also thought I might have to go Thrusday afternoon. Thanks for researching the details. I played with the link above and believe this is the site it is referring to:
http://www.luke.af.mil/StaffAgencies/RMO/RMO_visitors.asp
and here the link to the doc:
http://www.luke.af.mil/StaffAgencies/RMO/Files/Hold%20Harmless%20Jul%2001.doc

BajaTaco

01-17-2006, 10:35 PM

[EDIT] Sorry, I didn't see that a 6th page was started, and didn't see the post from Al. That's definitely cool if it's an all-in-one permit good for both. Thanks Al! Disregard the original post below.

Chris,

Good question on the NWL permit. I dont know the answer to that. Hopefully I can follow-up next week to find the details.

I'm fairly certain we will need one.

http://www.fws.gov/southwest/refuges/arizona/cabeza.html

"Before entering the refuge, you must obtain a valid Refuge Entry Permit and sign a Military Hold Harmless Agreement. Free permits are available from the refuge office or they can be sent through the mail.
Most of the refuge falls within the air space of the Barry M. Goldwater Air Force Range. Numerous low-flying aircraft cross the refuge on their way to air-to-air bombing and gunnery ranges located to the north. Some military training exercises over the refuge may require limitations on travel and even short periods of closure of the refuge to the public. Military schedules are known in advance, so refuge staff can help with your schedule."

awalter

01-17-2006, 11:23 PM

Just a reminder, each occupant of the vehicle has to submit a seperate release form.

DSRTRDR

01-18-2006, 12:07 AM

if you go through the Yuma Marine Corps office for the permit, that will be good for the Goldwater Range as well as Cabeza Prieta; they agreed on a combined permit process in 1998, I think.

Guys, I envy you, we did the trail in 1999 and 2000. A personal favorite. Claudia

Desertdude

01-18-2006, 04:25 AM

Just a reminder, each occupant of the vehicle has to submit a seperate release form.

Thanks for that info...:wavey:

durango_60

01-23-2006, 04:24 PM

My only regret after running the trail 2 weeks ago is that I did not have a tape recorder while receiving the lecture from the guy @ the Marine base who gives out the permits. He had some pretty priceless things to say about what we should and should not do while on the range, some were downright scary, such as what to do if your firearm accidentally gets discharged towards an illegal immigrant.

articulate

01-25-2006, 05:28 PM

..lecture from the guy @ the Marine base...about what we should and should not do while on the range, some were downright scary, such as what to do if your firearm accidentally gets discharged towards an illegal immigrant.
Your comment required me to take a few days to process...and I hate to detract from the topic at hand but Eleanor Roosevelt said, "The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!" I'm presuming this guy was a Marine....That is if I'm understanding what you said above.

Should I laugh or throw up at what the U.S. Marine Corps says we should do with the murdered body of a border-running Mexican? Should I laugh or throw up at Government sanctioned "accidental weapon discharge?" I'm a crooked soul if I laugh, and an unpatriotic liberal if I throw up. Forcing me to chose one is what's really downright scary.

To turn a corner, though, what I like most about being outside in wilderness areas and places made of rocks, critters, and creosote is that I can let such labels dissolve away. One time I saw this along El Camino Del Diablo, and I would have been hard pressed to actually discharge a firearm at anybody...and then lie about it.
http://www.markdstephens.com/images/home/home5.jpg

durango_60

01-26-2006, 12:32 AM

I agree wholeheartdly, but to be accurate, the guy was a civilian working on the base.

whitethaiger

01-27-2006, 02:14 AM

Oops, I just noticed that I haven't done anything on the permits yet. Scott, is the plan still to get them Friday morning. Or has everyone done it by mail already?

awalter

01-30-2006, 02:21 PM

Received my permit in the mail. Took about 10 days from my mailing in the application.

Scott Brady

02-03-2006, 05:10 PM

First three posts are updated:archaeolo

Scott Brady

02-03-2006, 05:11 PM

Additional note: If you did not include a self addressed, stamped envelope, you will not have your permit returned to you. I found this out this morning.

VikingVince

02-03-2006, 05:56 PM

Scott

That is really cool that your dad will be along and it's his first trip with you:clapsmile
It'll be nice to meet him.

Thought: there must be some better/cooler places for dinner than Denny's...or maybe there's a reason like close to the lodging...whatever...just a thought...anybody?

Scott Brady

02-03-2006, 06:03 PM

Good point Vince. Dennys is close to the hotel, but I am (always) open to suggestions for better eating :)

Brian McVickers

02-03-2006, 06:51 PM

Actually, I think it's spelled Lenny's!:chowtime:

Desertdude

02-03-2006, 07:03 PM

The Bella Vista Italian Resturant (http://chefmoz.org/United_States/AZ/Yuma/Bella_Vita_Restaurant984301102.html) - last time I was there it was excellent food - with a homey atmosphere ;)

desertgirl66

02-03-2006, 08:18 PM

Hi ya'll,

Thanks for all the helpful info about obtaining a permit. Downloaded the application and am filling it out. Hopefully I have all the right information for them.

Let's hope that there will be no disfiguring injuries "due to highly explosive detonations from falling objects" :smileeek:

Really looking forward to seeing everyone again and meeting some new folks! Miss everyone~~~

elcoyote

02-04-2006, 06:57 PM

Just joined the forum guys...what a great trip! I am sorry not to have known about it earlier, I guess I'll have to be on the next one. Looking forward to your picture posts when you return.

Happy trails!

articulate

02-06-2006, 11:02 PM

I have a room reserved at the same hotel now, too. I'm a run-of-the-mill mortal with a day job, so I won't be rolling into Yuma until 8 or 9. If anyone is not going to bed that early, I'll probably have an impulsive craving for a cerveza when I arrive. Hint hint. :)

Hi ya'll,...
Let's hope that there will be no disfiguring injuries "due to highly explosive detonations from falling objects" :smileeek:
:xxrotflma Yeah, if it can't be gussied up with a bandaid, neosporin, and a kiss my first aid kit won't help.

Mark

whitethaiger

02-06-2006, 11:17 PM

We'll problably roll in even later than Mark (9-10pm).
Friday morning starts late, so there'll be time for some nice breakfast.

Got the forms plus SAE out a little while ago, let's see what happens...

Brian McVickers

02-07-2006, 04:54 PM

Hi,
Is anyone bringing thier dog?

Has anyone taken thire dog on thies route before?

Thanks
Brian

Brian McVickers

02-07-2006, 04:54 PM

Hi,
Is anyone bringing thier dog? :elkgrin:

Has anyone taken thire dog on thies route before?

Thanks:beer:
Brian

BajaTaco

02-07-2006, 05:27 PM

I'll be attending the dinner on Thurs. night, and then heading towards the trail where I will find a place to camp. I'll just meet up with the group when they roll into the area on Friday morning. If anyone cares to join me for camping, feel free! I will be spending my hotel money on fuel for the truck and myself :chowtime:

BajaTaco

02-07-2006, 05:28 PM

Hi,
Is anyone bringing thier dog? :elkgrin:

Has anyone taken thire dog on thies route before?

Thanks:beer:
Brian

Hey Brian, that would be cool to see your pooch again.

Scott Brady

02-07-2006, 06:13 PM

Note change on the restaurant. We will be dining Pasquale style... :beer:

BajaTaco

02-07-2006, 07:47 PM

Received my permit in the mail. Took about 10 days from my mailing in the application.

Just curious if you initialed item #13? ... which states:

" __ I have watched the Visitor Safety and Responsibilities video."

Scott Brady

02-07-2006, 07:51 PM

Good point. I have seen the video and so has Al. I will tell you all about it on the way to the Mad Linguist :)

BajaTaco

02-07-2006, 07:56 PM

Good point. I have seen the video and so has Al. I will tell you all about it on the way to the Mad Linguist :)

Thanks! This will not be the first time I have seen something through your eyes :p

awalter

02-07-2006, 09:25 PM

Just curious if you initialed item #13? ... which states:

" __ I have watched the Visitor Safety and Responsibilities video."

I did check that item, I also included my expired permit for support.

Don't tell anybody, but I never saw the video when my old permit was issued. They couldn't find it at the Cabeza Prieta NWR office. They said "your not going to area B, so no need".

awalter

02-07-2006, 09:28 PM

BajaTaco

02-07-2006, 10:17 PM

Where are you planning on camping, in the area of Fortuna Mine Rd.?

Al, I am considering the eastern flanks of the Gila Mtns. just east of Telegraph pass. This would be fairly close to Wellton for the start of the trail on Friday morning.

DaktariEd

02-08-2006, 12:22 AM

Al, I am considering the eastern flanks of the Gila Mtns. just east of Telegraph pass. This would be fairly close to Wellton for the start of the trail on Friday morning.

Do you have some basic coordinates for that location?
I may just opt for camping rather than hotel...save the dinero...
:D
Ed

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 12:42 AM

Do you have some basic coordinates for that location?
I may just opt for camping rather than hotel...save the dinero...
:D
Ed

Ed, it would be fun to have some company! Here is a marker that is roughly the area I am thinking of, on Topozone (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=3616453&e=752574&s=100&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25)

DaktariEd

02-08-2006, 01:02 AM

Ed, it would be fun to have some company! Here is a marker that is roughly the area I am thinking of, on Topozone (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=3616453&e=752574&s=100&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25)

Great plan, Chris!

I thought that looked like a possibility as I was scanning my own maps.

A question, though. The map doesn't look right. It shows I-8 as only a single lane at Telegraph Pass, yet it actually is split, and each double lane winds through the mountains there, actually crossing over one another at one or two places.

It also shows the dirt road leading off directly from the highway, yet I don't recall any such roads that access interstate highways except at interchanges.

How are you planning to get there?
:confused:
Ed

Brian McVickers

02-08-2006, 01:12 AM

I may also join in on the fun!
The saved hotel budget could buy a pretty sweet sleeping pad!

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 01:32 AM

Ed, I agree with what you said. I think we would probably have to exit at Wellton and backtrack towards the hills. We can just kind of play it by ear. Based on this though, we might need to skip the dinner in Yuma so we can use daylight to find a good campsite. What do you think?

Brian, the more the merrier. Did you decide if Oliver will be joining you?

DaktariEd

02-08-2006, 01:45 AM

Oh, yeah...I'll skip a city dinner for a camping dinner any day!
If I read my topos right, I'll have to bail at Wellton. The trick appears to be getting over the CAP canals.
Any thoughts on that?

DaktariEd

02-08-2006, 02:32 AM

Aha! I see part of the problem with the maps. The Ligurta quadrangle is 1965 data...before the Interstate. So the road shown is actually US 80. The other quadrangles are 1980 or better.

Should be fun!

Ed

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 02:49 AM

Yessir - el topo data es muy viejo. It looked to me like there was a bridge over the canal adjacent to the freeway. If you look at Google Earth, there are some bridges that cross the canal. (wait, you are using a Mac, right? Can you look at Google Earth?)

Desertdude

02-08-2006, 03:00 AM

(wait, you are using a Mac, right? Can you look at Google Earth?)

he can if he is in Tiger ( os10.4) :)

Brian McVickers

02-08-2006, 03:02 AM

Oliver is still undecided.
I want to bring him but also want to play it safe and limit the number of potential liabilities in such a remote area. I would imagine that most of the stinging and biting critters are dormant this time of year but it sure would suck for him to stick his nose wher it don't belong and get hurt way out there.

Call me a paranoid parent but I
still have to think on it some more!

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 04:01 AM

Hey, no sweat. I agree. Do what you think is best. I imagine it will be warm enough during the day for some reptiles to be out and about. And the scorpions will likely be around too, be sure to check the underside of your ground cloth before you pack it away in the morning ;)

DaktariEd

02-08-2006, 06:21 AM

Yes, I can Google Earth...very cool. I'll lookie-see.

As for critters, I just removed a rattlesnake from my yard this past weekend. :eek:
They are definitely out, confused, and a bit cranky....
:D
Ed

DaktariEd

02-08-2006, 03:02 PM

OK, so last night I had insomnia and Google-Earth'd the possible route to the Thursday campsite...or at least close. The satellite images go "low res" just about at the Gila Mountains.

It looks like there are a lot of new dirt roads in the area that most certainly will not show up on the topos of the area.

Here's what I came up with as a possible simple route from Wellton exit almost out to the camp:

Exit I-8 at: 32 39’ 43.01” N, 114 08’ 32.61” W
S to: 32 37’ 12.32” N, 114 08’ 31.43” W
W to: 32 37’ 11.64” N, 114 12’ 37.68” W
N to: 32 37’ 44.49” N. 114 12’ 35.33” W
W to: 32 37’ 44.70” N, 114 13’ 39.40” W
N to: 32 38’ 04.31” N, 114 13’ 39.35” W
W to: 32 38’ 03.93” N, 114 16’ 29.27” W
S to: 32 37’ 37.77” N, 114 16’ 29.89” W

What do you think?
Should we rendezvous somewhere near there or will you be out early enough to set up a camp and we catch up? I'll be leaving Tucson around 1:30 - 2 PM...should be able to be there by around 5:30 PM.
:D
Ed

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 03:22 PM

Brian McVickers

02-08-2006, 05:00 PM

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 06:19 PM

There is a good chance I will be arriving at 6am Friday morning.
With work on thursday and then situating our babe we would not get in to Yuma until after midnight if we did it all on thursday. But if we leave here at 3am we will get to Yuma by 6am 2.5 hours ahead of schedule!

10-4. If you get your permits ahead of time, you probably shouldn't drive all the way into Yuma. I would just meet us in Wellton and sleep a little longer.

DaktariEd

02-08-2006, 07:45 PM

Ed, I will probably be arriving around 5pm at the earliest, so maybe it will be best just to meet up near the highway to avoid confusion. I can't seem to enter your coords into Google Earth. When I create a placemark and edit the coords, they won't "stick". Sorry.

Meeting at the highway is a good idea. The coordinates basically just track south from the freeway, then zig-zag west along what look like well graded roads till they get to a sand & gravel pit from the looks of it.

Maybe getting off I-8 then crossing under the freeway to meet there? Looks like a clearing on the south side of the interchange.

Will that work?

Ed

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 07:57 PM

That will work Ed. I'll have a better idea on exact arrival time a few days before we leave, and we can discuss the best meeting time. Very cool! I can't wait to see your new trailer in person.

Brian McVickers

02-08-2006, 08:25 PM

Two quick thoughts to throw out there:

1- will we be doing any combined group meals to plan for? :eatchicke

2- Do we need to bring fire wood or does this area have some form of wood available? :campfire:

:wavey:

Scott Brady

02-08-2006, 08:31 PM

Because of the group size, we will be doing individual meals

I doubt there will be much wood to collect, so a few of us should plan on bringing firewood.

Scott Brady

02-08-2006, 08:34 PM

Is anyone up for being the lead vehicle? One of the challenges I have had over the last few trips is doing the navigation and all of the photography and video, etc.

I would really like to be more mobile in the group, moving from front to back, etc. to maximize the images I can capture.

So, if someone is up to navigating for the group, please PM me. You will have lots of support and help if you need it, but I would love to be more mobile on these next few trips.

THANKS :)

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 08:42 PM

From the Cabeza Prieta NWR website...

"To protect scarce desert wood, only charcoal campfires are permitted."

I think we should use a fire pan and haul out our ash. If we do burn any wood outside of CPNWR, we should definitely bring our own. Scott and Al, you guys have done the trip before, would you agree?

Scott Brady

02-08-2006, 08:56 PM

Ok, we are set. The BajaTaco machine will lead the way :jump:

whitethaiger

02-08-2006, 08:57 PM

.....
I think we should use a fire pan and haul out our ash. If we do burn any wood outside of CPNWR, we should definitely bring our own......

I think that's good practice for every trip and we always do it on our little trips around here.

FYI, just found the permits in the mail. Took 7 days total. Looks like all we have to do now is call in before the trip with date, #persons, permit # etc.

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 09:27 PM

Ok, we are set. The BajaTaco machine will lead the way :jump:

Hopefully that doesn't scare anyone away! :elkgrin: We may end up at the beach! :Wow1: :suning:

FYI, just found the permits in the mail. Took 7 days total. Looks like all we have to do now is call in before the trip with date, #persons, permit # etc.

Thanks Uwe, I was wondering about that since there were no data entries on the app. for that info.

Brian McVickers

02-08-2006, 10:04 PM

Ok, I may be reading too fast!

Can someone tell me the address that the permit forms are to be sent to along with my self addressed stamped envelope? I'v found about 4 addresses but it's unclear to me which to use.

I am also looking into the possibility of picking up a permit at Luke Airforce Base.

Thanks
Brian

BajaTaco

02-08-2006, 11:11 PM

awalter

02-09-2006, 12:30 AM

Chris,

I totally agree about the wood. There won't be any at all to scavange. What ever we burn, we will need to supply. I also agree we should use a fire pan & haul out the ashes.

Scott,

I'll keep my eye on BT or else we will wind up in the El Pinacate & Bahia Adair. Of course, that ain't all bad.:suning:

whitethaiger

02-09-2006, 12:30 AM

I sent mine to:

Marine Corps Air Station
HRO Range Permit Office
Box 99104
Yuma, AZ 85369-9104

Hopefully that is the correct addy!

Worked for me.
:coffee: <- me, studying the maps they sent back; just in case Chris get's us lost:D

...I was wondering about that since there were no data entries on the app. for that info.

That's because it's valid for up to a year depending when you get it (expires June 30th) and you can use it for multiple trips.

Desertdude

02-09-2006, 12:57 AM

We were in Anza Borego a few weeks ago and the rules are no fires on the ground - the landscape remains unscared - a nice look :bowdown:

Thinking now of always traveling with something to contain a non white man fire:campfire:

Desertdude

02-09-2006, 12:59 AM

Hopefully that doesn't scare anyone away! We may end up at the beach!

I could always use more beach time :jump:

articulate

02-10-2006, 01:55 AM

...I think we should use a fire pan and haul out our ash. If we do burn any wood outside of CPNWR, we should definitely bring our own. Scott and Al, you guys have done the trip before, would you agree?
I'm more than happy to bring firewood; I've got a quarter-cord out back that hardly got used at all this winter. For that matter, I remember serious stretches where the only thing that has the guts to live out there is creosote. Even if it were ethically sound to collect fire wood, you wouldn't find much.

It sounds like one or two adventurers have fire pans....?

For the record, I canceled my hotel reservation to camp near Welton, or drive in early on Friday, too. (no offense to the crew meeting in Yuma :) ). I don't want to be a ball-n-chain on the camper group because I won't be able to get out there until after dark. I'll consider it gravy if I find you guys. So long as this detail remains solid, we're good:

Meet at 10:30 am at exit 14 off of I8

Also: My brother will be my co-pilot! That's got serious adventure factor now. This is going to be one hell of a trip.

Cheers,
Mark

BajaTaco

02-10-2006, 02:15 AM

Hey now, that's a sweet update! :jumping:

I have an outdoor "fireplace" with lid, but it is pretty bulky. I can probably bring it on the the roofrack unless someone else has a better setup. Mark, if you plan to get there on Thurs. night, we can monitor the CB - with the ultra flat terrain, I bet we would have a good chance of hearing one another. Let's use channel 7.

DaktariEd

02-10-2006, 02:27 AM

I'll bring some mesquite firewood also. I have a bunch on the porch and out back but haven't had a single fire all "winter" (if that's what you call it).
:camping: :campfire:

Mark,
I suspect the coordinates I posted previously may get you pretty darned close to where we actually end up. Then with the CB I'll bet we can talk you in...worth a shot in any case!

This is going to be a great trip! :victory:
:D
Ed

articulate

02-10-2006, 03:24 AM

Taco & Ed: Thanks! You got it. Channel 7. I suppose, also, that you'll see my headlights a-comin' since it's so flat. Good points, fellas. Shouldn't be difficult at all.

Golly, all this talking about it....I'm ready to go tonight. :D

Later,
Mark

desertgirl66

02-12-2006, 04:25 PM

Hola Amigos,
Pasquale is recovering from his knee surgery now, has lots of staples in his leg! Yikes! He is doing really well, keeping it iced and elevated and being studious about the 80 rebuild. We were hoping to be able to take the "new" 80 on this trip but the surgery may put us behind a bit. Waiting for the regearing to be done on the diffs right now, Pasquale & I are doing all the work ourselves and having fun with it!! :exclaim: We pulled the diffs out and sent them up to Slee for the regearing and the install for the ARB lockers. First thing we did was remove most of the ugly gold bling :shakin:

Anyway, would like to camp also if that is what everyone is doing, are we still planning on meeting in Yuma at the Bella Vista restaruant for group dinner Thursday night??

DaktariEd

02-12-2006, 04:45 PM

Hola, Amiga!
I will be camping out :camping: , having dinner in camp :chowtime: , and staying put for the evening...not planning on driving in to Yuma.

Not sure about the others. I think Chris and Mark are the only two campers so far.

Hasta luigi... :D
Ed

DaktariEd

02-12-2006, 04:53 PM

BTW...
I input the coordinates I posted previously (that I had pulled from Google Earth), and found a bit of a discrepancy from my Garmin Topo program.
Not huge, but enough to cause a little confusion perhaps in the dark if using the Garmin maps.

The topo program shows only trails in the area, but the Google Earth images clearly show what look like fairly new roads. I chose the coordinates from Google Earth to plot; it's hard to argue that the roads aren't there!

I think Chris & I will be meeting just south of I-8 exit #30 (edit: not #14 as previously stated) so it shouldn't be a big deal.

But in the dark...I'd stick with the roads...use the coordinates as guides and head west, young man!

Ed

desertgirl66

02-12-2006, 04:58 PM

Ed, it will be great to see you again! Would you mind sending the exact coordinates of where y'all will be camping---thanks!! :camping:

DaktariEd

02-12-2006, 05:25 PM

Chris has a map on one of his earlier posts.
But the trail that goes there is based on 1965 map data :eek:. The freeway seems to have eliminated that route.

We'll still be camping in the general vicinity, but will get there from the Wellton exit.

If you look at Google Earth, we'll most likely go south off Wellton exit (South Ave 29E) to the "T" (E County 14E), turn west, then zig-zag our way to the east flank of the Gila Mountains.

I think Chris plans to monitor CB Ch. 7 (as will I) so anyone coming in after dark can call.

I also just packed a few wooden survey stakes in my 40 and can mark turns for the late-comers...:victory:

That ought to work!

Ed

BajaTaco

02-13-2006, 05:50 PM

Hola desertgirl! Good to hear from you!! Wow, please give my best wishes to the dude. I hope it all went smoothly, and I hope I get to help him test out the new equipment sometime, on a beautiful walk in the desert somewhere :exclaim: Great update on the 80, it doesn't surprise me that you two are tackling the project together.

As far as camping, I just decided to camp on Thurs. night since I will be coming from inside Arizona, and it would be an extra 50 miles of travel (RT) to go all the way into Yuma and back, plus $ for hotel and dinner... I just decided to camp since that is what I like best anyway :D You are certainly welcome to join us. As Ed mentioned, we'll be rendezvousing at the freeway exit in Wellton. Ed mentioned an exit #14, but I believe the exit is actually #30 (Ed, that is what is showing up on my AZ Atlas, and on Mapquest). See if THIS (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=&city=wellton&state=az&zipcode=) mapquest link works. From this exit, we will basically be heading west and a little bit south to get away from the freeway noise.

desertgirl66

02-13-2006, 06:13 PM

Hola Chris! Look forward to seeing you again~~~
What time about are you guys meeting at the exit? We are open that day and can leave like whenever.

DaktariEd

02-13-2006, 06:15 PM

Ed mentioned an exit #14, but I believe the exit is actually #30 (Ed, that is what is showing up on my AZ Atlas, and on Mapquest). See if THIS (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=&city=wellton&state=az&zipcode=) mapquest link works. From this exit, we will basically be heading west and a little bit south to get away from the freeway noise.
Yikes! You're right...my atlas shows exit #30. I don't know where I got #14, but that's definitely not correct.
Thanks for catching the error.
I'll go back and edit my posts...
I must be too excited for my own good!
:D
Ed

BajaTaco

02-13-2006, 06:58 PM

Yikes! ...
I must be too excited for my own good!
:D
Ed

:xxrotflma

OK, for those camping on Thurs. night, let's just plan on meeting at the #30 exit at 5:30 PM. As the time draws near, we'll see if we can't scoot that time up a bit, but for now let's plan on 5:30 MST (AZ time).

Scott, would you mind if I added the Thurs camp info to the 1st post so it's easier to reference?

awalter

02-13-2006, 07:07 PM

How about adding the CB channel & 2-meter frequency to the first couple of posts?

Scott Brady

02-13-2006, 11:41 PM

Scott, would you mind if I added the Thurs camp info to the 1st post so it's easier to reference?

Modify at will amigo :)

Scott Brady

02-13-2006, 11:42 PM

How about adding the CB channel & 2-meter frequency to the first couple of posts?

Done :D

Scott Brady

02-13-2006, 11:44 PM

Ok, quick permit status:

WHO DOES NOT HAVE A PERMIT?

The permit office is so quick that maybe everyone has one now.

Brian McVickers

02-14-2006, 12:09 AM

I do not have mine yet.

Scott, are you back in town? -- Check you PM!

articulate

02-14-2006, 12:17 AM

Ok, quick permit status:

WHO DOES NOT HAVE A PERMIT?

The permit office is so quick that maybe everyone has one now.
My papers went in the mail today :o

<cross="my fingers">

:arabia:

Scott Brady

02-14-2006, 12:38 AM

Brian,

You've got mail :)

Mark,

Did you send one for Greg too?

I got mine back in 6 days

BajaTaco

02-14-2006, 01:10 AM

I will check with my shotgun rider to verify that he received his. Mine arrived today, and I know his app. was sent out one day later than mine.

BTW, Ed, I realized where you got the #14 exit from - that is where we are meeting the rest of the group at 10:30 am on Friday, which is in Yuma. I must admit I screwed up and was thinking that we were meeting at the trailhead in Wellton, but now I see it is Fortuna mine Rd. I think we'll keep the Wellton camp location though, as it will make for less driving late in the day for the AZ people, and a short drive (1 hour) on Friday morning. If anyone would rather camp off of Fortuna Mine road though, I am cool with that too. But it looks like we would definitely need to make sure everyone had their range permit in that case.

DaktariEd

02-14-2006, 02:31 AM

BTW, Ed, I realized where you got the #14 exit from - that is where we are meeting the rest of the group at 10:30 am on Friday, which is in Yuma. I must admit I screwed up and was thinking that we were meeting at the trailhead in Wellton, but now I see it is Fortuna mine Rd. I think we'll keep the Wellton camp location though, as it will make for less driving late in the day for the AZ people, and a short drive (1 hour) on Friday morning. If anyone would rather camp off of Fortuna Mine road though, I am cool with that too. But it looks like we would definitely need to make sure everyone had their range permit in that case.

Wellton camp sounds good to me. Or Fortuna Mine. The Wellton site will be a tad farther out from Yuma...as you said, less driving on Thursday PM.
Whatever...I'm easy (but don't tell anyone!).
:jump:

Ed

Desertdude

02-14-2006, 02:11 PM

Ok, quick permit status:

WHO DOES NOT HAVE A PERMIT?

We send our app in on Feb 4th -we have not recieved the permit yet but expect it this week :ylsmoke:

VikingVince

02-14-2006, 09:37 PM

Yo...I know the question was 'who does NOT have a permit'...I got mine a couple days ago...was surprised that is was the approx. size of a business card but it looks like the right thing.

Re firewood...I'll bring a couple Duraflame logs...I KNOW they're not as aesthically pleasing as real wood but considering the restrictions and hassle of bringing wood as well as easier cleanup, it's not a bad way to go. We used them a couple times in Baja...in fact, I came up with a two word comparative phrase that seemed to sum up the group opinion at the time :Wow1: (a bit under the influence)

Pasquale...sorry to hear about your knee...hope it all heals well and quickly:wavey:

What kinda nighttime temps are we talkin? My last night in Baja (Catavinia) was 36 degrees !!!

awalter

02-16-2006, 11:52 PM

I'll be staying at the Hacienda Motel on 4th Ave., just down from the restaurant. A bit cheaper than the Fairfield Inn. (928)782-4316 for anyone interested.

Desertdude

02-17-2006, 03:20 AM

Pasquale...sorry to hear about your knee...hope it all heals well and quickly

thanks Vince - I am on the road to recovery and maybe able to walk soon

AZ is turning cold so i would prepare for lower temps at night ;)

awalter

02-21-2006, 12:28 AM

Hola Amigos,

Anyway, would like to camp also if that is what everyone is doing, are we still planning on meeting in Yuma at the Bella Vista restaruant for group dinner Thursday night??

I'm still planning on meeting at the Belle Vista Thusrday 7 PM. It looks like only half or less will be staying in Yuma, & maybe not all will arrive in time for dinner. Anyone else planning on the Belle Vista?

Desertdude

02-21-2006, 12:34 AM

Kristina and I are heading out to camp that night meeting Ed & Chris & - ?

- gonna miss that great Italian food :(

See you on Friday!

BajaTaco

02-21-2006, 01:48 AM

Kristina and I are heading out to camp that night meeting Ed & Chris & - ?

- gonna miss that great Italian food :(

See you on Friday!

Looks like the camp group as of now will be myself & my friend Richard, Brian, Mark & Greg, Ed, Pasquale & Kristina.

Brian McVickers

02-21-2006, 04:31 AM

Amy and I are planning to meet up with everyone first thing Friday morning. We will leave PHX at about 3 am on Fri and be in the area by 6. So we will not be at camp on Thursday night.

Jonathan Hanson

02-21-2006, 12:52 PM

Chris, I might join the camping group. I haven't yet figured out my schedule for when I can leave. Unfortunately Roseann is staying home this trip.

BajaTaco

02-21-2006, 02:05 PM

OK, 10-4 to Brian and Jonathan.

Brian, be sure to jam some java - no sleeping on the drive!

Jonathan, no prob. I sent you my info, so feel free to let me know up until I leave - otherwise just show up if/when you want.

BTW, I have compiled GPS routes/waypoints for the following trails:

Camino Del Diablo (Wellton-Ajo)
Tinajas Altas (Yuma-CDD trail)
Cipriano Pass (Tinajas Altas-CDD trail)

They are in Magellan format (.wpt) for both the SD card, as well as the PC mapsend software. If you have a Garmin, they can be converted. Just post here to let me know if you want copies.

If I have time, I will add Fortuna Mine Trail and Christmas Pass (but I probably won't have time).

whitethaiger

02-21-2006, 02:12 PM

Chris, can you send me a copy of those route files please? Thanks.

BajaTaco

02-21-2006, 02:32 PM

Chris, can you send me a copy of those route files please? Thanks.

U bet.

VikingVince

02-21-2006, 03:10 PM

Hello all...looking forward to the weekend...I'll be staying in Yuma and will be at the Belle Vista for dinner at 7pm

Al...I'll probably stay at the Hacienda motel as well...haven't called them yet...thanks for posting the info

Scott Brady

02-21-2006, 03:15 PM

I'm still planning on meeting at the Belle Vista Thusrday 7 PM. It looks like only half or less will be staying in Yuma, & maybe not all will arrive in time for dinner. Anyone else planning on the Belle Vista?

Al,

My dad and I will be there!

Scott Brady

02-21-2006, 03:15 PM

STATUS CHECK...

WHO DOES NOT HAVE THEIR PERMIT???

DaktariEd

02-21-2006, 07:25 PM

The weather is looking good!

http://www.geocities.com/daktaried/Yuma.jpg

Packed and ready to roll!
:camping:
Ed

articulate

02-21-2006, 07:29 PM

STATUS CHECK...

WHO DOES NOT HAVE THEIR PERMIT???
Though I haven't checked the mail today, I don't have my permit yet. I don't think Greg has one either so we might have to come into Yuma on Friday. boo hoo.

BajaTaco

02-21-2006, 07:33 PM

The weather is looking good!

http://www.geocities.com/daktaried/Yuma.jpg

Packed and ready to roll!
:camping:
Ed

:jumping: :clapsmile :jumping:

Brian McVickers

02-21-2006, 07:34 PM

I just checked the mail and found nothing. I'm crossing my fingers for it to come tommorow but there are three more days of mail before Friday!

flyingwil

02-21-2006, 07:48 PM

I hope you guys have fun., and am jealous that I can not go... but why not just go to the office and get your permits?

They are located at 16th AVE and Washington -- 1616 West Adams, Phoenix, AZ 85007

desertgirl66

02-21-2006, 07:52 PM

I'm gittin' all the food together now and we are having fun getting packed!! The weather looks like it will be totally awesome!! We are soo blessed:jump:

DaktariEd

02-21-2006, 08:27 PM

I'm gittin' all the food together now and we are having fun getting packed!! The weather looks like it will be totally awesome!! We are soo blessed:jump:

Ha! I packed food etc., on Sunday. :D
Perishables in a plastic box in the fridge.
Just throw it in the ARB fridge and I'm off! :chowtime:

Firewood loaded, water, extra fuel, sleeping bags...
:camping:

The weather looks awesome!

Guess you would never guess I'm getting "pumped" for this trip...

Ed