Bad Parenting

[R_Lefebvre]

Anybody have any examples of BAD parenting to share? (I guess maybe we should keep it outdoors related, or this thread could get pretty bad pretty fast!) This past weekend, we saw one. It really shocked us a little bit.

We took our new daughter (8 months) on her first camping trip in a park. My folks came along, and on Sunday they watched Elise while my wife, my son (4) and I went on a 2 hour canoe/hike trip. We were paddling back to the the beach we launched from, and saw a woman and two little kids on shore. One boy about 4-5, and another boy about 1.5. Apparently the father was much further down the beach, dropping a canoe into the water. The older boy wanted to go with his father, and started running down the beach, not listening to his mother telling him to come back. After the kid gets about 50 yards away, she takes off after him.... abandoning her 1.5 year old on the beach! She chases the older boy about a football field length down the beach, never looks back at her younger son who is completely alone on the beach.

Then to our horror, the little boy starts toddling towards the water. OMG! We cranked the canoe around and started paddling like mad towards the little boy. We got there just about as he started into the water, and when he saw us, retreated back up the beach. We stayed there until the mother came back. Never once did she even look back to check on her younger child.

I don't know what would have happened if we hadn't been there. Or heck, we could have just as easily been kidnappers.

When she came back, we scowled at her, and she seemed completely oblivious to what she'd just done.

I realize that 1 parent-2 kids is a common problem. But for gosh sakes, pick up the little one and take him with you! It'll slow you down, but the 4 year old will fare much better in the shallow water than the 1 year old!

[SunTzuNephew]

Traveling through Yellowstone NP, traffic stopped because of bears. Nimrod tells his kids to go get close to them for a picture.

[stevenmd]

I realize that 1 parent-2 kids is a common problem.

I disagree. I was a single parent with 3 boys before I met my wife (and subsequently had 2 more kids...:sombrero:). I went everywhere with my boys and was able to keep them out of harm's way.

But I get the gist of your thread. I guess, for me, as a parent, I am overly cautious when it comes to situation where my kids can get seriously hurt. Minimally hurt? I say go for it!:victory: They've got to learn someway or another and it's best to do with the safety net of a parent close by. Example - teaching a little kid how to whittle while sitting around the campfire.

[Maddmatt]

Not camping - but while I was unemployed my wife was working a lot of retail hours at the mall. The stories she would come home with would just make you cry - 18month old kids drinking 16oz coke bottles, at 9:30 at night. Mother's screaming at kids to 'just shut up a minute' while they spend an hour browsing for even more makeup. It would be pretty easy to get the impression that everybody at the mall had their kids cruelly thrust upon them, as nobody seemed to really want them around.

[adrenaline503]

I saw a kid taking a crap in the middle of trail as their parents looked on.

[R_Lefebvre]

I disagree. I was a single parent with 3 boys before I met my wife (and subsequently had 2 more kids...:sombrero:). I went everywhere with my boys and was able to keep them out of harm's way.

But I get the gist of your thread. I guess, for me, as a parent, I am overly cautious when it comes to situation where my kids can get seriously hurt. Minimally hurt? I say go for it!:victory: They've got to learn someway or another and it's best to do with the safety net of a parent close by. Example - teaching a little kid how to whittle while sitting around the campfire.

Oh, I agree. Don't misinterpret what I mean when I saw 2 kids is a "problem". I just mean... for those times it is a problem. ;) You know, one kid is playing with the fire, while another chasing after a skunk...

And I consider drowning to be seriously hurt.

I just found it to be a pretty surprising lack of judgement. It was completely avoidable. She was right beside the young child, could have picked him up, but she just ran away without ever looking back. My wife was actually about to jump out of the canoe to get to the boy, had to tell her to get back in and paddle! :lol:

[The Adam Blaster]

Somewhat related to your story Rob, but I just LOVE the parents that yell and threaten punishment, but never follow through.
Then they wonder why little Johnny or Sally doesn't listen to them when they say "stop". :rolleyes:

I actually worked with a woman that was like this with her 14 yo son that was working his way into jail time. Through my wife's connections at her school board I learned this kid was the top bully at the junior high, even though his mom thought "The principal just doesn't like him and treats him unfairly."

[61rover]

I watched in horror as tourists that had taken a summer ski lift ride to the top of a mountain let their children walk on a snow cornice that was clinging to the top of a 1,300' drop off. The snow was on the side of the cliff just below the edge. Nothing but 1,300' of air underneath it.

[adrenaline503]

I watched in horror as tourists that had taken a summer ski lift ride to the top of a mountain let their children walk on a snow cornice that was clinging to the top of a 1,300' drop off. The snow was on the side of the cliff just below the edge. Nothing but 1,300' of air underneath it.

I bet that under 1% of people who go to the mountains know what a "cornice" is. Frightening.

[Errant]

We had about three feet of fresh snowfall one morning and the schools were closed. The boys and I went to the store and back, then made breakfast. Afterwards I looked out the window to see if my tracks were still the only in the road, when I noticed a yellow something peeking out just above the ruts in the snow. It was a baby in yellow footsie jammies crawling down the road! I ran down to the road and scooped him up, then followed his tracks back. He had crawled out the front door of the house up the street, down the stairs, down the drive, and out into the road. I banged on the door and a little girl of about 5 answered, said her mom was in her room smoking her pipe (!?!), and asked why I had her brother.

[stevenmd]

...while another chasing after a skunk...


I consider that a "learning lesson".:victory:

[Mr. Leary]

Nothing really dramatic, but here goes one...

One time The_Mrs. and I were camping at Caprock Canyon State Park in Texas. While we were out hiking, a gaggle of minivan driving families showed up. They set up their "adult" camp on one side of our camp, and the "kids" camp on the other, and looked on as their kids ran screaming back and forth through the middle of our campsite.

Not wishing to break the children for their parents lack of respect, we left. My dogs were not happy, and neither were we...

[DaveM]

Not outdoors related but your story reminded me of this:

I was driving my old fj55 (ok, there's the ExPo connection) to the store. I pulled up to a 3 way intersection to make a right hand turn. As I did so there was a woman walking her child (only a few months old) in a stroller approaching the cross walk I was about to cross. She had one hand on the stroller and one hand on the cell phone she was talking on. I saw her before I even entered the turn lane and had my eye on her the whole time but she apparently thought I was going to pull in front of her cutting her off at the cross walk (that she had a light for). As I slow to stop she jerks her eyes up from wherever she was spacing out on, glares at me and lets go of the stroller... not the phone... to hold her hand up to tell me to stop. The stroller, which was already on the curb cut rolled away from her in to the cross walk, alone. It only got 2 feet away before she grabbed it again, but that's all it would have taken if I really hadn't seen her.

She knew what she had done, looked very upset with herself and quickly moved across the street. Stupid, stupid person.

[Honu]

work on a tourist boat or the beach on Maui and you will see examples every day !!!!!!!

its insane

my worst is lying parents about medical conditions when I was taking a kid diving on a intro !!! ruptured both his ear drums ! turns out he had major ear issues and 4 tubes each ear when he was younger !!!
poor kid only was down 4 feet when it happened
I went off on the parents yelling like a drill sergeant in their face they could have killed their kid etc.. was at the pool at the Sheraton Maui !!! they were humiliated and my point was to make them think more next time

another we say NEVER swim past this point as the current will take you away and you cant swim against it !! so DONT swim past this point
sure enough their goes idiot family with the kids past the point !!!
the outside point at Molokini if some of you have been to Maui
this happens way to much


things like red flags are up at the beach and the parents leave unattended kids about 5-9 years old to play in the waves rushing up !!! thinking they are good swimmers in the pool back home !
we say to them remove your kids please or stay right with them ! they say things like OH its not that big of waves and he is a good swimmer ! you have to balance being nice and firm usually a set or two comes in sweeps little kids out we go rescue them or they wash back up and manage to grab the beach freaked out
had one old guy who had a zipper ! (heart surgery) horrible out of shape we tell him he should not go out !! he goes out anyway sadly he drowned you can tell people but they wont listen !!!

worst as its sad to watch the kids in horror as their parents are hurt !!!! is when grown ups do it then turn the backs to wave at the camera for the big waves !!!!
I have rescued stupid parents also ! one broken back and a couple near drowning when they are puking blood near drowning !!!! cause of this and plenty just have to drag em back to shore puking their guts out etc..

red flags are up box jellies and manowar are in the water we tell them I would not put my kid in that water today and we really recommend nobody goes in !!! we even say you notice I am dry today !!! well their is a reason and smile at them ! they will be gone by tomorrow just wait ! half hour later we are treating the kids for jelly fish stings !!! and if you have been hit by a box or manowar its not to fun !!!!!
sometimes I felt like dragging the parents to the water and make em swim out get stung so they know what its like


I miss that life though :) so fun and full of action and things going on :) truly is fun cause its never the same day !!!!
trust me I could keep going on and on and on

[rynosurf]

I came across two kids out in the middle of nowhere while riding in the desert one time, they were around 10-12 years old and one of their bikes was not running. The older kid on the good bike didn't want to go for help because he wasn't sure which way camp was and didn't think he would be able to find his way back to the broken bike even if he did find his camp. I had my cell phone on me so I got their parents number and called them to let them know what was going on... they didn't seem to concerned, I told them that I would meet them on the main road and that they could follow me to where their kids were. I got to the main road and waited...and waited...I called the parents back after about 10-15 min and they told me that they were just about to leave camp! I told them to get their behinds in their vehicle and get over here quick or they would be spending the rest of the day searching for their kids by themselves. They finally showed up and followed me to where their kids were. I was going to give them a piece of my mind but I decided to ride it out on my bike instead, something told me they wouldn't have understood why I was so mad anyway.

[Strizzo]

last week when i got back from my work trip, this lady is letting her kid climb all over the baggage claim belt. as the buzzer is going off to warn that its about to start, he's climbing over the rail. i just kept looking at them to see when she was going to stop him, then it kicks on and luckily it makes him jump back instead of not noticing and losing a finger or something.

[Joanne]

Intelligence has it's limits, but stupidity knows no bounds....

[ExplorerExplorer]

I worked at a daycare in high school... So many bad things... Like the woman with 6 different children, and about as many fathers putting all 6 in her truck, just sitting in her lap while she was driving, in her current boyfriends lap and one child would even hold another child...

[rjcj-8]

I worked at a daycare in high school... So many bad things... Like the woman with 6 different children, and about as many fathers putting all 6 in her truck, just sitting in her lap while she was driving, in her current boyfriends lap and one child would even hold another child...

Let me guess you lived in the South East then too.
Read this with out seeing were you are and though that must be in GA, TN or AL.

Still see that around here every now and then. Wearing seat belts in trucks finally becomes a requirement this July in GA.

[ExplorerExplorer]

Let me guess you lived in the South East then too.
Read this with out seeing were you are and though that must be in GA, TN or AL.

Still see that around here every now and then. Wearing seat belts in trucks finally becomes a requirement this July in GA.

Yes, TN is full of wonderful parents...

[chet]

I was travelling on our BC ferries one day and a couple had around a 4 YO boy with them, outside on the deck. the Ferries try and make their boats as safe as possible but you can't pretect against everyone.

The leave junior for a bit to go "have a smoke" and he climbs up the railing and is one leg away from going over the edge and down 3 stories into the ocean! I was talking to my wife on the cell and hang up on her and run over and grab him and take him to his parents. They looked at me like I was a child molester!

[6Pins]

I've got a picture around here somewhere of mine, I'll have to dig it up.

We were traveling on 50, down the Delmarva Peninsula (the little part of Maryland b/t the Bay and the Atlantic). Speeds are around 60 miles an hour. We come up behind a mini-van with the back hatch open. Inside is a kayak, with a pretty good piece of it hanging out. When I go to pass, I notice that inside the kayak (that doesn't really appear to be secured) there are 2 kids sitting it :Wow1:

We ended up behind them again in line to get into Assateague. When the Ranger saw that, her eyes popped out of her head and made the guy pull over and last I saw she was giving him what for.

[Honu]

new one :)


saw a kid at supermarket
he was very obese ! dont think it was genetic as his shirt was full of food bits ? and the mom was grazing in the store and looked a mess and was HUGE also
but he was about 4 years old tops and he was drinking one of those giant 24 oz monster drinks !!!!! he was also grazing on whatever was in their cart ? some kinda chips or cookies ? couldnt tell but the cart had nothing good in it as they waddled past me I was curious what was in the cart bags of cookies, chips monster, boxes cereal and milk is about it ?


but I can say I dont think a 4 year old should be drinking that stuff or have a diet like that !!!!

[d1sc0ver]

My ex-wife took my 2 daughters, ages 10 and 12, to San Onofre State Beach near San Clemente, CA earlier this month. She tells them to go ahead in the water, during a heavy surf day w/ strong riptides. Needless to say, both of my daughters ended up w/ massive rock/reef rash and one of them got taken out at the ankles by some dude's longboard, resulting in bone bruises.

[The Adam Blaster]

My ex-wife....

I'm guessing that's a key part of your story.

[skysix]

I miss that life though :) so fun and full of action and things going on :) truly is fun cause its never the same day !!!!
trust me I could keep going on and on and on

True that. Although where I guarded was much colder (Kugluktuk)

The picture of the parent and child doing the see-saw as they hold their kid up until they start to drown, then use them as a flotation aid until they come back to their senses, then repeat until rescued still comes to mind.

[kenallwine]

I guess you could consider this bad parenting but more like a bad example. This was an example of how not to behave...

My wife, 4yr old daughter I went for a short camping trip the past weekend in Ligonier, PA (visit to Idlewild Park & Story Book Forest). As we were pulling in and unloading I was watching a family set up camp out of the corner of my eye. He introduced himself with tent manual in hand. I just felt like something wasn't right with this guy.

We decided it was best if we skipped making a camp fire that night and retire early for a good night's sleep (so we thought)...

Later that night after quiet time in the campground (some where about 12:15am), I heard this *CRACK* and the wife scream and start crying. I couldn't quite make out what she was saying but it was to the effect of: why did you bring us here, you don't even want us on this vacation with you... Of course I heard the two younger boys sobbing in the tent. I could swear he struck her. My wife woke up about that time and I told what was going on. She immediately told me to hang my Gerber hunting knife on my cot for the night. 20 minutes later I heard a beer can crack open and the dad sat down by the fire.

The next morning, you could have cut the tension with a knife! The father was yelling at the kids about something and stormed off in the minivan. My 4 year old daughter said to me: "he isn't a nice daddy is he..." I said: "no sweety, he is not..."

We high-tailed it out of there before he got back and the rest of the family was out of the tent. After a long day at the amusement park we got back to camp and it was like nothing ever happend. Or at least until the thunderstorm was starting to head in. I pulled out my trusty iPhone and checked the doplar and sure enough, it was going to be a nasty storm. We were just going to ride it out in the tent but...when the father started barking orders at the family about the storm and the mother getting frantic, we decided to break camp and bail out a night early.

I swear this is true! I couldn't make this up. It was too bizzare. My daughter God bless her soul was asking me why the daddy was yelling 'cause the little boys weren't doing anything bad.

[The Adam Blaster]

My daughter God bless her sole was asking me why the daddy was yelling 'cause the little boys weren't doing anything bad.

That reads more like a sad story about an angry man taking it out on his whole family. :(

[kenallwine]

And it wasn't like he was trying to hide it. Everyone in that area of the campground had to hear it. What disturbed me the most was that he was very cordial to me through out the weekend.

[d1sc0ver]

I'm guessing that's a key part of your story.

uhhhhh, do you know me?

You're guessing wrong, I'd have a problem w/ anyone that sent my kids into the ocean during rough conditions. Oh, and it's not my 'story'. I wasn't there, my daughters brought me the 'story', confirmed by their mother (my ex) who felt horrible about the whole thing.

Sheesh!

"A parent who puts themselves before their children will find that their children will put them last."
- My good friend Bill

[The Adam Blaster]

uhhhhh, do you know me?

You're guessing wrong, I'd have a problem w/ anyone that sent my kids into the ocean during rough conditions. Oh, and it's not my 'story'. I wasn't there, my daughters brought me the 'story', confirmed by their mother (my ex) who felt horrible about the whole thing.

Sheesh!

"A parent who puts themselves before their children will find that their children will put them last."
- My good friend Bill

Whoa whoa whoa!
I think you've totally misunderstood the meaning behind my post...
I obviously left out any slant to my post and that left it unclear.
What I was eluding to was that your ex-wife must exercise poor judgement from the story that your kids have told you, and evidenced by their injuries.
And that poor judgement may have been a reason for the divorce.
I was basically putting down your ex.
Sorry for the confusion, and sorry for putting down your ex if you took that as an offense.
Most people don't really like their ex's, that's why they are an "ex". lol

[d1sc0ver]

Whoa whoa whoa!
I think you've totally misunderstood the meaning behind my post...
I obviously left out any slant to my post and that left it unclear.
What I was eluding to was that your ex-wife must exercise poor judgement from the story that your kids have told you, and evidenced by their injuries.
And that poor judgement may have been a reason for the divorce.
I was basically putting down your ex.
Sorry for the confusion, and sorry for putting down your ex if you took that as an offense.
Most people don't really like their ex's, that's why they are an "ex". lol

Yeah, my ex uses bad judgement and I bring it to her attention as often as I'm made aware by my children. She's just a 'blank' sort of person, consumed with what's going on in her head instead of what's going on around her.

However, I'm not the kind of guy to put people down and make it ugly. I try to help her be a better parent.

No offense taken.

[The Adam Blaster]

No offense taken.

Cool.

[T.Low]

I once caught a 22 yr old guy as he was robbing my shop. He was already putting my Rip Curl Tidemaster watch on as I suprised him. I chased him out the front door and tackled him in the street and dragged his raggedy *** back in while my girlfriend called the police. We raiseda bit of a comotion in the street and it was all I could do to get the guy back into my shop and lock his 10 friends out. While he and I cage matched it inside until the cops got there, they all pounded wildly on my glass store front.

Turns out he is well known to the police, has a record, and is a part of a informal gang the police refer to as the **** Rats.

He got off on a technicality, then he and his older brother began to vandalize my shop and shout obscenities at my customers when I wasn't around.

One day I was downtown talking with some casual acquaintances on the street and noticed a big heavy guy wearing a white tank top t shirt staring at me. I acknowledged him with a common nod and said, "How ya doing?"

"A lot better than your gonna be doing in a minute, thats for sure", he replied.

Puzzled, I looked at the two guys flanking him and recognized them as the 22 yr old perp and his older brother.

"Yeah, that's right", he says. "Ya beat up my kid and stole his watch".

"Do you want to hear my side of the story?" I ask him. "I'm the one who got robbed by your son there".

"Maybe I'll talk to you some time when you're not all glazed over" he says.


"What the hell are you talking about?", I said. "Look, we're all here now; me and the three of you. If you want to talk it out, or how ever you want to do it, here we all are so let's just end it now. However you want to end it, lets end it now." ( I really don't doubt that I would have whipped all three of their asses at the same time, but who really wants to get into a street fight).

The guy says some more stupid stuff, I mention of few more times that it's ending here and now and after this they're never gonna be near my shop again blah blah "end it now" I say and the guy starts backing away, pointing his finger at me saying "no, you'll get yours, you'll get yours."

I looked at him in pathetic amazement and said "oh, we're here now, but your going to hit me when my back is turned. So thats where your kids learned it? They learned it from their old man the Coward. I see" and they walked off.

That seemed to me to be some really bad parenting. On the other hand, maybe the FF is a little smarter than I give him credit for; the kids never botherred me again after that.

[yeti_in_ga]

Kid catches snake on fishing pool, next to sign NO FISHING. Guess what happens....

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She gets BIT..

[Honu]

And it wasn't like he was trying to hide it. Everyone in that area of the campground had to hear it. What disturbed me the most was that he was very cordial to me through out the weekend.

you are more mellow than me !!!

I would have told him watch his mouth and attitude as my kids can hear it then see how he reacted ;)

[kenallwine]

you are more mellow than me !!!

I would have told him watch his mouth and attitude as my kids can hear it then see how he reacted ;)

I'm not one to start something If I wasn't already involved in. Plus I also wanted to be an example to my daughter that you have to rise above people like this and don't sink to their level.

[john101477]

Bad parenting happens a lot. Call it a sign of the times or media washing or even to much government intrusion but as parents we let our kids watch shows that show other kids being disrespectful and wonder why our kid did the same thing last week. you can't yell at your kids because thats verbal abuse, you can't spank your kid cause thats physical abuse, time outs- hmm sit down for 10 minutes - did you learn your lesson? grounding? never worked on me. go to the dr complain the kid is out of control and ask for a hdad - Dr drugs the kid with "medicine".

to me the last one is just crazy. yeah some kids have HDAD and it is a serious condition. but I personally know 3 kids on meds that are as normal as any kid and they are on meds cause their idiot parents can not handle them.

[R_Lefebvre]

John, agree with that. But that's a much larger discussion. I do agree that we are causing ourselves many problems with our kids due to "modern parenting" stuff.


I intended this to be more about brain-fart-type events outdoors. ;)

[Honu]

I'm not one to start something If I wasn't already involved in. Plus I also wanted to be an example to my daughter that you have to rise above people like this and don't sink to their level.

very good point ?

I would still if he was swearing doing things I do not want her exposed to etc..
rise above is true do the right thing is true also stand up for yourself is true

wasnt meaning as to pick a fight ? more get where he is coming from ? sometimes you can say something like that to a person and they THINK WOW I did not realize I was that loud sorry about that !
or if he says screw you I am going to kick your rear ! then you know what kind of person he is if the later I would remove myself before I ever confronted someone but also if he was like that I would call the police tell them their is a guy at this camp and explain he is out of control you heard what you thought was him hitting his wife but you are not sure ? and then say you asked him to pull it down a few notches since your daughter is hearing it !
he then threatened you and let them deal with the guy !!!!

I am just sick of people thinking its all about them and loosing their manners when in public you have freedom but also must respect others

same reason when kids were involved in accidents on island I would go off on the parents you can discipline a kid for bad behavior well some adults these days are kids and need it also IMHO

I wasnt their :) so might be reading more into than I need :)

[R_Lefebvre]

On the weekend, I saw a family in a 4 door JK, out on the trail. Cool right? Except... the truck was lifted with big tires, must have been 35's or 37's. They were running topless, and doorless. 3 boys in the back seat. Oldest boy maybe 10 years old in the middle. On the two outsides, two smaller boys, maybe 4-5-6. They were sitting on those booster seats that just rest on the seat, with the stock 3 point seatbelts on. Seemed pretty precarious to me. They were doing somewhat hardcore obstacles. I kept thinking, if the Jeep rolled, I don't think the little boys would stay in their seats, the restraints were pretty precarious.

At one point, one of the boys said he wanted to walk down an obstacle intead of riding down, and the parents said "we're not stopping to pick you up at the bottom, so get in and sit down."

I dunno, what do you guys think? Seemed a bit much to me.

I would have had the little boys in large carseats and harnesses. Hard top and doors on.

[SilverBullet]

I once wheeled with a guy who was very safety consience. He had a bronco II modified with 3 5-point harness for his kids in back. One slow day wheeling, he let teh kids play on the floor boards with their cars while he drove and we were livid at him for not beltign them in. As a Dad, I usually keep my kids well secured (verify belts are locked and tight, etc.) if I am getting into crawlnig, normal belts for forest roads.

[DrMoab]

Hard top and doors on.

Have you ever seen what happens to a fiberglass top when a vehicle rolls?

Top or no top, it makes no difference.

[Street Wolf]

Best option would be not bringing the little tumors along to begin with.

[R_Lefebvre]

Best option would be not bringing the little tumors along to begin with.

Nice. Hope you never have any kids.


Have you ever seen what happens to a fiberglass top when a vehicle rolls?


No, but I can imagine. Still, anything to maybe keep them inside, instead of under the truck is probably better.

[tdesanto]

Best option would be not bringing the little tumors along to begin with.


Nice. Hope you never have any kids.

I certainly hope he never procreates.

[Mr. Leary]

Where is that head in hands picture?

[Petro]

I don't think the top would really matter, but when I take my kids (age 4 and 7) out, whether it's around the block or offroad, their doors have to stay on. They complain all the time if I have mine off and they don't, but until they get older that's the rule.

[R_Lefebvre]

BTW "Streetwolf", you can just go ahead and skip right over this sub-forum next time.


I don't think the top would really matter, but when I take my kids (age 4 and 7) out, whether it's around the block or offroad, their doors have to stay on. They complain all the time if I have mine off and they don't, but until they get older that's the rule.


I saw a guy a little while ago, I think he had a 2 door. He'd removed the factory back seats, and installed these little mini-racing-buckets and 5 point belts. Seemed to be the best way to go.

[DaktariEd]

Best option would be not bringing the little tumors along to begin with.

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[Nonimouse]

I raised my eldest pretty much from birth but when she was a toddler my ex wife (her mother) managed to get supervised access. That was cool as someone was there to protect my daughter. Just prior to her getting unsupervised access about three years back I raised a point about here driving standards with the court/judge. It was pretty much ignored so I dug my heels in and played stubborn about here driving young 'un anywhere. Two weeks before they finally broke me the ex was killed in a car crash - she overtook at 70 on a bling bend in the dark. I have truly never known anyone as aggressive at driving who cared so little about something so precious.

I am over protective about both my girls - the eldest has a half sister now. They are my life, why would I not be? I find it so hard to deal with folk who do not treat thier kids the way they should be - hell they are the future. I also bear in mind that my girls will no doubt chose my retirement home :yikes:

[d1sc0ver]

My ex wife's sister just uprooted her 4 kids and moved them 3 hours away from all family and friends so she could be closer to her new boyfriend, who currently resides in state prison in Phoenix, AZ on gang related drug and violence offences.

My 16 year old ex-nephew (hate to refer to him that way) showed up 2 days later at my ex's door step. He now lives with her and she's petitioning for legal guardianship.

[James86004]

My sister-in-law's son just learned to walk, and is still in that stage when he will fall frequently on perfectly flat ground. We went camping with them and she couldn't understand why we kept pulling him away when he walked past the campfire.

[wanderer-rrorc]

we were hiking over the weekend with the twins (big boy in moms back-carrier/backpack/hiking thingy...super nice..im jealous! little girl in snuggy bouncin off my belly and spuring me on!)...

we stopped for a rest at the 2 mile mark..here comes this group of lesser-prospropus (white trash hill-billy)...with grandma yellin to the little boy on the bike to be carefull she already has too many grey hairs...seconds later as hes right infront of us (no one within 10ft) he rolls off the edge of the path..and begins a STEEP decent down the hill towards the creekbed 20ft below..

his mom grabbed him JUST before he really got any speed up,,knocked the bike over and pulled him from under it...

we couldnt do ANYTHING for the kid..we were both packed down with our own and I wasnt gonna dive for this kid and have his bike helmet smack me or my little one in the face cus his parents wernt keeping him close enough,,,kid got REALLY lucky...I felt bad...but I wasnt gonna risk mine for thier lack of ability...:drool:

[Sawyer]

Earlier this summer my wife, daughter and some friends go camping up near Boca Reservoir Tahoe. We are there for about 30 min. when a woman comes running up hesterical looking for a cell phone. I ask her to tell me what is going on. She says her 5 year old son is missing. So, I give her my cell.

She calls 911. After she is off the phone, I start asking more questions, where he was last seen what he was wearing, etc. Turns out he was out ride dirt bikes with some other kids and was separated at some point. So, My friend and I jump in my rig and head out to start running the trails to see if we can find him. I come across the other kids he was out riding with and the oldest one was 9..... yeah 9.

I am all for getting the kids out and having them explore. And I am all about teaching them early to ride or what ever you are into. But for petes sakes, have some one responsible to watch them.

The kid finally showed up after being missing for a couple of hours. My wife was able to get a hold of me and we came back from looking.

They were very thankful for us going out looking and said they were going to look into radios for the helmets. I also recommended looking into Garmin Rhino series for the kids and the SPOT system. Although I have no idea if Spot would really work for them.... But got me thinking for when my kids get older.

[AxeAngel]

Few sundays ago at the local botanical gardens. We see a lady pull up next to us in the parking lot driving a van, her and another woman her age with 5 or 6 kids. Her plates were SURRGT or something to that effect.

Girl and I have a nice little picnic, wine, cheese, fruit, chocolate, dog is playing about, we see these 3 or 4 kids playing around a lily pond, with the same two ladies less than ten feet away talking to themselves and paying very little attention.

It gets quiet for maybe 15-30 seconds or so and then we hear one of the ladies panic, the smallest kid cant be seen. He was 3 or 4 yrs old, fell into the lily pond and dropped like a stone, one of them reaches in and pulls out the kid, who isnt crying at this point. Took him a few seconds before he cleared his lungs and started wailing.

Yup you got it surrogate moms, one kid almost drowned, a girl maybe 8 or 9 had an arm in a cast. All the kids had different ethnic backgrounds as well.

I wanted to give the ladies the benefit of the doubt that they were helping out these kids, but then I read that most fostermoms do it purely for the welfare and child support from the state. I'm hoping that is not the majority.

-Sam

[Hill, Bill E.]

.... but then I read that most fostermoms do it purely for the welfare and child support from the state. I'm hoping that is not the majority.

-Sam

From my experience, it's not. My parents did foster care for over 20 years, newborns to 5 year olds. (occasionally an older sibling, so the kids weren't split up)

Most of the foster care families then were in it for the kids.

Things may have changed, but I hope not. Hopefully the ones you saw are the exception, and not the norm.

Most of the kids my parents got had been taken away from thier natural parents (some were given up for adoption) Now there are some stories of 'bad parenting':Wow1:

But those stories don't fit here, becuase they weren't 'outside and on the trail'. Now if we're talking about the bar scene and bad partenting, I could tell you some stories!:Wow1:

[shahram]

I took my son camping at Leo Carrillo state beach, one of my favorite surf spots. He was three years old at the time. We were alone, down on the beach. He had ridden his bike, and I'd ridden my skateboard down from our campsite to check out the rocks at low tide. He fell in the water, slicing his hand on a cluster of new limpets, the cut bleeding profusely, and he was crying and shivering from the cold water. I removed his wet cotton shirt, and coaxed him to wrap his hand in his t-shirt, and ride his bike with me as fast as possible back to the camper, where I could stop the bleeding and get him a band-aid. He flatly refused. So, I picked him up with one arm, grabbed the bike, and kicked the skateboard out in front of me. The bleeding started to get worse, and he started to scream louder, so I decided that to skate at a little faster than walking pace, in order to get there quicker, was a better idea than walking.

I no sooner stepped up on the board, when a nut from a nearby oak tree got stuck under the wheel, stopped the board short, and we both went flying! He landed about ten feet in front of me, on his chest and face. I had kept his helmet on him, so that had protected his head. He now had road rash on his lips, chin, and chest, a bloody hand, screaming bloody murder, and everyone within eyesight thought I was the stupidest dad in the world, which, for that moment, I surely was.

[Hill, Bill E.]

....., and everyone within eyesight thought I was the stupidest dad in the world, which, for that moment, I surely was.

We all have our moments, and kids don't come with instruction manuals!:elkgrin:

The difference is, you were trying to do it right! Some folks either just don't get it, or just don't care.

[James86004]

Best option would be not bringing the little tumors along to begin with.

To the contrary. You need to bring the kids. They are not going to remember their best weekend playing video games.

[Nonimouse]

Been taking my eldest out 'laning since she was about 6 months old. Had a CJ5 back then (rare in the UK), first thing I did when I bought it was fit a roll cage. Her seat was the best I could afford. She loved it. Problem was I was living in Wales back then - so many good lanes - and I had few friends to 'lane with, so I would go solo.

It was always the last 'lane of the day. Just one more. Getting dark, rain coming in, getting cold... Next thing you know you've lost forward and rearward motion. It's amazing how calm and collected you can be in this situation, also how fast you re-learn simple recovery from years back. Still I always packed for problems and she loved it so much - still does eleven years later.

[xcmountain80]

Yes, TN is full of wonderful parents...

C'mon don't forget about FL!

[Palehorse1]

Anybody have any examples of BAD parenting to share?...

It's apparent that we haven't been formally introduced yet Rob. When we were kids we would all stand in a circle and throw our JARTS straight up in the air and see who's would land closest to them. Good times. But in my parents defense whenever they saw us doing anything really dangerous they would order us to stop and go inside to play with our wood burning sets. Funny how things change.

While I agree that there are plenty of mental midgets out there that cause alarm bells to go off when I see how the neglect to interact with their children I still have to wonder how many sketchy things did our folks let us do that would have flipped out others who were outside our circle of family and friends.

I too have been forced into using "campsites" when bringing nieces and nephews along that certainly wouldn't have any interest in heading up and down deep trails to really get out there. Easing them into the outdoors was the immediate goal. You certainly do meet some odd characters at places like that. I remember a family that setup shop next to us and let their kids, and pre-teens wander in and through our little site. I simply grabbed my little day use receipt and heralded the two parents and explained that since we were sharing our site with them that we would need them to pay for their half of the cost and that we would be needing that in cash, right now. Sadly they took an immediate dislike to me and promptly picked up camp and moved away from such a rude and jerky person.

If you are in any profession that forces you to interact with the children of others you certainly have my sympathies as it does seem to me that many of these parents assume that it is your responsibility to raise their children for them.

Oh, and Rob, come over and I'll show you a really fun game to play with this old JARTS set that I still have. Bring an extension cord with you for the wood burner. ;-)

[d1sc0ver]

It's apparent that we haven't been formally introduced yet Rob. When we were kids we would all stand in a circle and throw our JARTS straight up in the air and see who's would land closest to them. Good times. But in my parents defense whenever they saw us doing anything really dangerous they would order us to stop and go inside to play with our wood burning sets. Funny how things change.

While I agree that there are plenty of mental midgets out there that cause alarm bells to go off when I see how the neglect to interact with their children I still have to wonder how many sketchy things did our folks let us do that would have flipped out others who were outside our circle of family and friends.

I too have been forced into using "campsites" when bringing nieces and nephews along that certainly wouldn't have any interest in heading up and down deep trails to really get out there. Easing them into the outdoors was the immediate goal. You certainly do meet some odd characters at places like that. I remember a family that setup shop next to us and let their kids, and pre-teens wander in and through our little site. I simply grabbed my little day use receipt and heralded the two parents and explained that since we were sharing our site with them that we would need them to pay for their half of the cost and that we would be needing that in cash, right now. Sadly they took an immediate dislike to me and promptly picked up camp and moved away from such a rude and jerky person.

If you are in any profession that forces you to interact with the children of others you certainly have my sympathies as it does seem to me that many of these parents assume that it is your responsibility to raise their children for them.

Oh, and Rob, come over and I'll show you a really fun game to play with this old JARTS set that I still have. Bring an extension cord with you for the wood burner. ;-)

Hmmm, lots of opinions here and one camping story...but where is your example of bad parenting?

[Palehorse1]

Hmmm, lots of opinions here and one camping story...but where is your example of bad parenting?

Well new friend, the point I had hoped to make was that I may be the end result of said bad parenting. Do keep in mind that I did attend public school so my ability to articulate that via a message board is somewhat limited.

My sincerest apologies for interrupting.

[Root Moose]

Well new friend, the point I had hoped to make was that I may be the end result of said bad parenting. Do keep in mind that I did attend public school so my ability to articulate that via a message board is somewhat limited.

My sincerest apologies for interrupting.

LOL

If I was closer I'd buy you a beer.

[R_Lefebvre]

It's apparent that we haven't been formally introduced yet Rob. When we were kids we would all stand in a circle and throw our JARTS straight up in the air and see who's would land closest to them. Good times. But in my parents defense whenever they saw us doing anything really dangerous they would order us to stop and go inside to play with our wood burning sets. Funny how things change.

No, I guess we haven't been introduced.

My parents were worry warts. We were in car seats in the 70's, and not allowed to ride in the Beetle because it was too dangerous. I remember we had lawn darts, but they disappeared pretty quick. Of course, they may have been affected by the strain of having a 6 year old son go through cancer, radiation and chemo.

They still are too. I'm 34 and they still freak out every time they see me get on my motorcycle.

[Mr. Leary]

My friends and I would spend days at a time out in the woods in upstate New York in the middle of winter. I think my parents did well by teaching all the kids early on how to manage out there. Besides, if it got too miserable we knew where the house was...

They would probably be locked up for it nowadays...

[d1sc0ver]

Well new friend, the point I had hoped to make was that I may be the end result of said bad parenting.

Oh, yes...I can see that now, thanks for the clarification.


Do keep in mind that I did attend public school so my ability to articulate that via a message board is somewhat limited.

True, true.


My sincerest apologies for interrupting.

Graciously accepted.

[d1sc0ver]

LOL

If I was closer I'd buy you a beer.


I got the 2nd round. So, lemme guess...Bud, Shlitz or Pabst Blue Ribbon?

[Root Moose]

I got the 2nd round. So, lemme guess...Bud, Shlitz or Pabst Blue Ribbon?

Make it a Stella and we'll discuss the finer points of sarcasm, wit and irony when used in written communications.

[d1sc0ver]

Make it a Stella and we'll discuss the finer points of sarcasm, wit and irony when used in written communications.

Bass Ale for me, and I would love it.

Cheers and no harm no foul.

[Fireman78]

Bad parenting? Hows about the "Dad" that got outta jail, looked up his "old lady".. who had a two month old baby boy... his baby boy. "Dad" finds out his woman was cheating on him while he was in the slammer. This "Dad" takes out his anger on two month old son by repeatedly punching him, choking him, slamming him into wall while holding the ankles, crushing his chest, breaking his pelvis, punchturing both lungs, and blinding him, among other things. Then... buries him in the back yard while wrapped in a plastic bag. (Thinking he's dead). THEN.. see's him move in the bag while covering him with dirt, digging him back up, second guesses himself< tries to clean him up with baby wipes, then calls 911. When paramedics arrive, "Dad" is smoking a cigg, calmly giving his BS statement to the cops that he "Fell out of his crib". Paramedics (myself included) rushed child to ER, kept him alive long enough for the docs to take over.

(still think EMS is a glamorous job anyone)?

[Mr. Leary]

Bad parenting? Hows about the "Dad" that got outta jail, looked up his "old lady".. who had a two month old baby boy... his baby boy. "Dad" finds out his woman was cheating on him while he was in the slammer. This "Dad" takes out his anger on two month old son by repeatedly punching him, choking him, slamming him into wall while holding the ankles, crushing his chest, breaking his pelvis, punchturing both lungs, and blinding him, among other things. Then... buries him in the back yard while wrapped in a plastic bag. (Thinking he's dead). THEN.. see's him move in the bag while covering him with dirt, digging him back up, second guesses himself< tries to clean him up with baby wipes, then calls 911. When paramedics arrive, "Dad" is smoking a cigg, calmly giving his BS statement to the cops that he "Fell out of his crib". Paramedics (myself included) rushed child to ER, kept him alive long enough for the docs to take over.

(still think EMS is a glamorous job anyone)?

I keep trying to post something... but I'm having trouble. Speechless. Thats sickening.... all I got right now.

[Mc Taco]

Bad parenting? Hows about the "Dad" that got outta jail, looked up his "old lady".. who had a two month old baby boy... his baby boy. "Dad" finds out his woman was cheating on him while he was in the slammer. This "Dad" takes out his anger on two month old son by repeatedly punching him, choking him, slamming him into wall while holding the ankles, crushing his chest, breaking his pelvis, punchturing both lungs, and blinding him, among other things. Then... buries him in the back yard while wrapped in a plastic bag. (Thinking he's dead). THEN.. see's him move in the bag while covering him with dirt, digging him back up, second guesses himself< tries to clean him up with baby wipes, then calls 911. When paramedics arrive, "Dad" is smoking a cigg, calmly giving his BS statement to the cops that he "Fell out of his crib". Paramedics (myself included) rushed child to ER, kept him alive long enough for the docs to take over.

(still think EMS is a glamorous job anyone)?

I was having a good night until I read this. Ripped me from my comfortable world.

But you know what? I don't mind. It is another example of what our first responders and Firefighters and EMS personnel must go through while keeping us safe. We just today graduated 20 or so new EMT's from our program. I'm proud that they will take what I and others have taught them and save lives. But am sad that they will see the end results of bad parenting.

So from my not as comfy any more den, THANK YOU!

[SilverBullet]

Bad parenting? Hows about the "Dad" that got outta jail, looked up his "old lady".. who had a two month old baby boy... his baby boy. "Dad" finds out his woman was cheating on him while he was in the slammer. This "Dad" takes out his anger on two month old son by repeatedly punching him, choking him, slamming him into wall while holding the ankles, crushing his chest, breaking his pelvis, punchturing both lungs, and blinding him, among other things. Then... buries him in the back yard while wrapped in a plastic bag. (Thinking he's dead). THEN.. see's him move in the bag while covering him with dirt, digging him back up, second guesses himself< tries to clean him up with baby wipes, then calls 911. When paramedics arrive, "Dad" is smoking a cigg, calmly giving his BS statement to the cops that he "Fell out of his crib". Paramedics (myself included) rushed child to ER, kept him alive long enough for the docs to take over.

(still think EMS is a glamorous job anyone)?

I was an EMT for only 2 weeks due to crap like this in CA. I had a little of everything, including supervising a birth on site. My final blow was a woman beaten by her husband to the point I was administering CPR. She died under my supervision, and that was enough. After the PTSS counseling, I quit the job. I could not handle it. You have my respect.

[R_Lefebvre]

Damn man, that's brutal.

A guy I know who's a cop had something sorta like that. He was first on scene for a call of gunshots fired in a residential area. He arrives, and finds a woman lying on the curb beside a car, parked in front of a house. She's sorta half under the car half on the curb. Gunshot wound to the head. She's still alive, but barely. There's not much he can do, so he's just holding her waiting for the ambulance to arrive. She took her last breath in his arms.

There was a 6 year old girl in the car.

Turns out, the woman had seperated from her husband. Both Islamic. She was going to remarry another man, not of the right sect or something, I dunno. Anyway, the ex-husband and her father waited for her to come home one day for an honor killing.

Wow, this thread could derail pretty quick now.

[Fireman78]

Didn't mean to derail the thread.. sorry . Major inner struggle in my head right now with things. Not to many places to vent.

[kjp1969]

Didn't mean to derail the thread.. sorry . Major inner struggle in my head right now with things. Not to many places to vent.

You've gotta find some place to talk that out. Not sure what the situation is in New Mex, but your work has to have some kind of support, right?

[Nonimouse]

I took my eldest and split from my first wife becuase she beat her up and then tried to throw her down the stairs. 6 months old... Broken bones, damage to her kidneys...

She's now a bright, intelligent, loving eleven year old (going on 15) with so much love in her it makes me tear up. She's sitting on the sofa with her three year old half sister now, reading stories to her. No maater how tired she is or how tough a day she will always make time for her little sister. At school she is the one who the little kids always come to. I'm so proud of her I could burst and she came out okay.

Fireman 78, I could say so many things that would mean so little, so have a big manly hug instead.

[wanderer-rrorc]

Fireman 78, I could say so many things that would mean so little, so have a big manly hug instead.

Hugs from a fellow EX-EMT...the company I worked for (rural-metro) was so horrible..and the things I saw were awful...I quit..

I still remember a pickup at a childrens facility...(its been 15 YEARS since this happend)...his name was Cory Cox...he was loved by everyone there..and his parents too...but God decided he wanted him in heaven (all kids goto heaven..even the bad ones get there and get the love they missed on earth)...

if I had been the responding squad...I would probably have ended up in jail..and dad would have had to ride in my squad too...some people have special places in hell awaiting them...

(NOTE...I am NOT religious...heck im not even christian..but even some pagans beleive that children will goto heaven..at least we hope so!!)



alright....back to BAD parenting...

you should see some of the goofballs that get enrolled in COLLEGE!!...how do they get along in life without a full-time aid?..cant do laundry? cant cook? no idea how to do anything but play video games and text on the phone!:drool:

[96discoXD]

Anyone that beats a child like that should get a round to the back of the head, no trial, no nothing. Makes me sick.

[R_Lefebvre]

You've gotta find some place to talk that out. Not sure what the situation is in New Mex, but your work has to have some kind of support, right?

Yeah, if you need to talk, talk. To us, to anyone.

[The Adam Blaster]

Alright, back to bad parenting...

A couple of days ago my wife and I were driving with our son and saw a nice park off to one side and thought it would be nice to stop and let the boy run around, play etc.
It was starting to rain, and we had seen a decent amount of lightning strikes not too far off for about the past 15-20 minutes.

Apparently that didn't deter the father and his ~ 8 year old son from flying 2 kites at the time... :shaking head:

[AmericaOverland]

Bad parenting? Hows about the "Dad" that got outta jail, looked up his "old lady".. who had a two month old baby boy...

Umm, oh man... This makes me sick... I cannot imagine being this child at the mercy of a full-grown man trying to kill him. Immediately, my reaction was, "This man does not have a right to be alive. In fact, his spirit should be reabsorbed into the great spirit so that he could not continue to exist in his malevolent form and cause further harm to anyone else..."

But then again, to kill this man would be his easy way out once he got past the physical death, then (I think) he would be scot-free to come back in another body without any way of knowing what he might have done previously, to do it all over again without anyone having any warning.

I hope I never have to be witness to any of this...

Stephanie

[Nullifier]

Well running a canoe shop I see lots of bad outdoor parenting. The biggest issue I see regularly is the parents teasing the kids about how the alligators will get them. Then when they get to the river bank ,the kids throw a fit because they are scared. Next thing you know the parents are yelling at the kids and getting mad because the kid is "embarassing them".

I usualy step in and take an educational moment with the parents and kids. I will never understand driving fear of the unknown into the heart of a child. It is critical to know that what is a joke amongst adults is usually a nightmare for children.

[Mamontof]

Well running a canoe shop I see lots of bad outdoor parenting. The biggest issue I see regularly is the parents teasing the kids about how the alligators will get them.

In Bad psychology that control in short time by Fear , whiz huge/massive side effect in the near future (fear to water ,small boat , animal you name...)

Then when they get to the river bank ,the kids throw a fit because they are scared.

They controlled by Fear factor as result we observe a slow motion and fear to any type of action

Next thing you know the parents are yelling at the kids and getting mad because the kid is "embarassing them".

And that hay ruin Family relationship between idiotic parents and neurotic child

I usualy step in and take an educational moment with the parents and kids. I will never understand driving fear of the unknown into the heart of a child. It is critical to know that what is a joke amongst adults is usually a nightmare for children.

And that work ,or you simple understand hay bad future side effect of parenting action could be ??? And you try to be a good Samaritan,as provide Right manipulate psychology to that "parents" why think kids it a toy .

[Nullifier]

And that work ,or you simple understand hay bad future side effect of parenting action could be ??? And you try to be a good Samaritan,as provide Right manipulate psychology to that "parents" why think kids it a toy .

:confused: Sorry you lost me somewhere.

[DirtyDog]

Here's a minor example from Bodie this summer :D

http://www.wanderthewest.com/forum/uploads/1279497243/gallery_2_11_130221.jpg

[gloriavoxdei]

My brother-in-law is a firefighter and a great parent. Well, a year ago when they were living in TN (yeah I know) they were out eating and a Deputy from the local Sheriff's Office sat down with his wife for a dinner break on duty. My brother-in-law was talking with him a bit when my niece started acting up, my brotehr-in-law looks at his daughter and says "you better be good or the officer is going to take you to jail". He said that the Deputy's deminor completely changed. Then the Deputy told him in a professional manor that when you tell a child that the police are going to take them to jail then they develop a fear of the police and some day when they might have a real need the are afraid to talk to the police because they might go to jail. My brother-in-law felt aweful about it, but that didn't stop me for riling him about it too then next time I saw him since I'm a Deputy Sheriff too and we love to poke fun at him. In seriousness I see way too much of this, I always walk up to the kids and kneel down to their level and say "I'm not going to take you to jail, I'm here to help people so if you are ever in trouble and need help just look for someone in a uniform just like me and we will help you." I then have a little discussion with the parents simmilar to the one my brother-in-law had.

[Nick02]

you should see some of the goofballs that get enrolled in COLLEGE!!...how do they get along in life without a full-time aid?..cant do laundry? cant cook? no idea how to do anything but play video games and text on the phone!:drool:

Now, imagine being forced to have that "person" as your roommate for one year. :Wow1:

[cmgraves]

One thing that really gets to me is when I see infants and toddlers locked up in the back seat while good ole mamma and papa are in the front seat smoking away as its nothing. Just makes me sick thinking the damange that is causing to those developmenting lungs and the problems that it will create down the road.

[R_Lefebvre]

That's actually illegal here now.

[The Adam Blaster]

On the way home from work on Friday afternoon I see a younger woman with a double baby-buggy standing on the sidewalk at an intersection. This was the kind of buggy that a toddler sits up front, and then a baby in a reclined position sits up at a higher position.
So, they are pointed away from the direction of the road, but just standing there with momma looking across the road. The light changes so that she can cross, and she sort of half-jogs across the street leaving the buggy on the sidewalk with the kids just sitting there. :Wow1:
I'm sitting in my Jeep watching this and thinking the buggy could have rolled back down the little sidewalk ramp, or someone could have hopped out and snatched up one of the kids.
I was dumbfounded as to why she would run off like that, and as I'm thinking these thoughts, I look over to where momma was going and she picked up a teddy bear the toddler must have dropped.

If it was me, I would have just wheeled the buggy back and risked getting stuck on the other side of the road WITH my two children... :rolleyes:

[dport]

Story from a buddy who is a school resource officer.

Yes, ms. ???, this is your son's SRO. I was calling about your son's facebook page.

Yes, I'm not too fond of some of the lanuage he uses on there.

Well, the language is the least of our worries, it's all the gang graffiti and gang signs he posts up.

ooh, well I don't want to shelter him so much that he resents me.

WTH!!!

[mesha]

Me...Hello is this mrs. X
parent....yes
me.....I am your sons science teacher
her...why are you calling me?
me....To talk about your son. your son is getting a zero percent in my class right now and is about to be kicked out of the school. He also has been caught cheating. I really like how creative he is and he seems to be social and have a lot of friends. I just dont know how to get him motivated. Do you have any ideas on how we can fix this? I would like to help him succeed.
her...we arent going to do anything.
me ...I am not sure I am understanding you.
her....I am not doing anything. you are the teacher, when he is at school he is your problem.
her....click

[The Adam Blaster]

My wife is a grade 3 teacher, and she's told me some stories about parents not caring. It's pretty sad and not hard to see that those kids don't have much of a future when their own parents don't show them love and support. :(

[Justincredible]

I consider large trailers to be bad parenting.

Kids want to go camping, not park a small house in a grass field...ing.

[Hill, Bill E.]

I consider large trailers to be bad parenting.

Kids want to go camping, not park a small house in a grass field...ing.

I don't know about the large trailer, some folks (like my buddys wife) just won't go anywhere, unless she has all the conveinences of home:Wow1:

And some folks can't set up tents, or they need a trailer/motorhome to be able to get out.

But I do see your point. Why go 'Glamping', when the point (to me anyway) is to enjoy the outdoors?

When we go camping, we don't bring any electronic games or TV/DVD players.

With my back, I have a hard time seting up a big dome tent, let alone sleeping on the ground, or dragging a cot with.

So, we use the RTT. Easyto set up,and comfortable!

My boys love the outdoors, although my ldest is 20 now, and has his own busy life, my 9 year old loves geting out, even if it's just a night.


'Bad parenting' to me, would be letting the kids be 'vegetables' on the couch, and never get out of the trailer.:snorkel:

[T.Low]

I keep trying to post something... but I'm having trouble. Speechless. Thats sickening.... all I got right now.

My eyes swelled up reading that post.





My wife and I just had our first child, a baby girl all healthy and gorgeous. She's 10 days old, tonite . I was able to be the first to dress her, the first to diaper her. I love my wife dearly, I love my parents with all my heart, but I never knew it was possible to feel the way I feel about my new daughter; it is beyond any love I have ever felt before. All you father's out there know what I mean.


May I introduce you to Olivia Lara Lowell.



First Morning

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee258/wannahuckmastinky/Introducing%20Olivia/JenandLivsey001.jpg


Adored

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee258/wannahuckmastinky/Introducing%20Olivia/JenandLivsey004.jpg


Cherished

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee258/wannahuckmastinky/Introducing%20Olivia/JenandLivsey114e.jpg


Cozy in Fleece Blanket Whiteout

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee258/wannahuckmastinky/Introducing%20Olivia/JenandLivsey060e.jpg



My Early Christmas: Little Livsey Low and Alpinestars Tech 8's.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee258/wannahuckmastinky/Introducing%20Olivia/JenandLivsey149e.jpg


Love, strength, and courage will be abundent in our household. I do, however, pray for wisdom and continued health.

Cheers, and Merry Christmas everyone.

T.Low

[Harald Hansen]

Yay, babies! Congrats, T.Low!

[AchillesBogart]

I was hiking out to Shi Shi beach and there was a dad with a little kid between 1 and 2 years old in a kid carrier. The little guy was bawling his eyes out, you could hear him from a long ways off, they passed my group and I saw why he was in tears. There is a lot of salmon berry on that trail and the dad would duck under it so he wouldn't get scraped up and the kid would get a face full every time. I felt bad, but at the same time it was funny.

[shortbus4x4]

My wife is a grade 3 teacher, and she's told me some stories about parents not caring. It's pretty sad and not hard to see that those kids don't have much of a future when their own parents don't show them love and support. :(

My dad always told me if I got in trouble at school I would be in worse trouble when I got home. It took me twice to learn he was serious and after that I made sure any trouble I got into I took care of it and my dad didn't hear of it.
I also make my kids leave the video games and stuff at home when we go camping, whats the point of going otherwise. They can sit at home glued to a screen. I have two boys so they don't like that too much, but once we get out camping they more fun than if they were playing video games. My five year old girl on the other hand has no problem roughing it and actually enjoys it the most of my kids and wife.

[cruisertoy]

Me...Hello is this mrs. X
parent....yes
me.....I am your sons science teacher
her...why are you calling me?
me....To talk about your son. your son is getting a zero percent in my class right now and is about to be kicked out of the school. He also has been caught cheating. I really like how creative he is and he seems to be social and have a lot of friends. I just dont know how to get him motivated. Do you have any ideas on how we can fix this? I would like to help him succeed.
her...we arent going to do anything.
me ...I am not sure I am understanding you.
her....I am not doing anything. you are the teacher, when he is at school he is your problem.
her....click
I get this one all the time with Boys Scouts parents.
Her - "Why are you calling me? This is my time to not have to deal with him. Isn't this why I pay you?"
Me-"You don't pay me, I'm a volunteer. And your the parent 24-7. My assistants will be dropping your son off at your home in 15 minutes."

[LaOutbackTrail]

Not really expo related... but I have had two brothers to learn "what not to do".

My oldest brother is the epitome of "trailer park trash". His wife has had 4 kids from 3 different dads (while married to my bro) and yet is still married to my brother. One daughter, at the age of 15 has had a baby and dropped out of school. Same girl by age 16 has another kid and is now married to the 21 year old. A second daughter by age 15 has HPV and at 18 has some of her reproductive organs removed from the resulting damage.

Oh, and did I mention they have a goat that lives inside and outside of the house? Last time I was there, they had not yet cleaned the goats crap off the floor.

Oh, and my brother has been charged (but not convicted) of molesting one of the daughters.

Oh, and they think this is all perfectly normal.



I beat the living piss out of my brother for cussing at my mom and throwing something at her. I talked to him at my dad's funeral for a few minutes. But otherwise haven't talked to him since 2006. Not missing a damned thing either.

One thing I dont understand, we have the same parents. Although they are 17 and 10 years older than me..... so maybe their parenting techniques changed?

[Mr. Leary]

Not really expo related... but I have had two brothers to learn "what not to do".

My oldest brother is the epitome of "trailer park trash". His wife has had 4 kids from 3 different dads (while married to my bro) and yet is still married to my brother. One daughter, at the age of 15 has had a baby and dropped out of school. Same girl by age 16 has another kid and is now married to the 21 year old. A second daughter by age 15 has HPV and at 18 has some of her reproductive organs removed from the resulting damage.

Oh, and did I mention they have a goat that lives inside and outside of the house? Last time I was there, they had not yet cleaned the goats crap off the floor.

Oh, and my brother has been charged (but not convicted) of molesting one of the daughters.

Oh, and they think this is all perfectly normal.



I beat the living piss out of my brother for cussing at my mom and throwing something at her. I talked to him at my dad's funeral for a few minutes. But otherwise haven't talked to him since 2006. Not missing a damned thing either.

One thing I dont understand, we have the same parents. Although they are 17 and 10 years older than me..... so maybe their parenting techniques changed?

In the words of Jeff Foxworthy, "Mom was great, Dad was great... I'm just a $#!^#*@d."

I think that parents are the reason kids get screwed up before puberty. I think the people who the kids hang out with are the ones that screw them up after that.

[DividingCreek]

A couple of years ago I attended a Land Rover meet @ a ORV park @ Uwharrie, NC. The park is a great venue with lots of rock and elevation changes etc. In attendance was a guy from Virginia who shall remain nameless with a topless rattle can black d90 on 37's with cut up body work etc. The guy had a reputaion for being reckless and hitting obstacles "wide open" and having no clue what tread lightly is about. On this trip he brought his young daughter (less than 5) and had her strapped in a child seat out on the trails with him.
I wasn't there to see it but this guy went balls to the wall @ some obstacle and rolled his truck with the daughter on board (multiple rolls). Fortunately she wasn't hurt but pretty much everyone looked @ this jerk and shook their heads for the remainer of the event.

[d1sc0ver]

Kids with 'their own' FaceBook accounts = Bad Parenting

[LaOutbackTrail]

A couple of years ago I attended a Land Rover meet @ a ORV park @ Uwharrie, NC. The park is a great venue with lots of rock and elevation changes etc. In attendance was a guy from Virginia who shall remain nameless with a topless rattle can black d90 on 37's with cut up body work etc. The guy had a reputaion for being reckless and hitting obstacles "wide open" and having no clue what tread lightly is about. On this trip he brought his young daughter (less than 5) and had her strapped in a child seat out on the trails with him.
I wasn't there to see it but this guy went balls to the wall @ some obstacle and rolled his truck with the daughter on board (multiple rolls). Fortunately she wasn't hurt but pretty much everyone looked @ this jerk and shook their heads for the remainer of the event.


I guess I should leave my kid at home all the time then.:Wow1:


JK. I make wife and kiddo get out when the going gets tough.

[Mr. Leary]

I guess I should leave my kid at home all the time then.:Wow1:


JK. I make wife and kiddo get out when the going gets tough.

He makes them get out and push / dig! :sombrero:

[bob91yj]

We were at Ocotillo Wells for New Years 2001. We met some younger people in the camp next to us. They joined our group for the evenings festivities. The next morning I was up having coffee when two little girls appeared as if from no where.

Some how I missed that the people we had met the night before had kids with them, maybe 2 and 4 years old. The older girl managed to tell me who they were and where their parents were. My wife and I ended up making them breakfast and essentially watching them until the parents woke up around 10AM (as I recall).

We made the parents feel pretty bad about the situation, hopefully they learned something from it.. They didn't really know us from Adam, just lucky that we're good people (relatively speaking:sombrero:).

[The Adam Blaster]

They didn't really know us from Adam...

How do I always get dragged into these things?

[AmericanIFA]

When I lived in Vegas, I was an avid jetskiier, out on Lake Mead every weekend. One weekend while driving the ski back to the loading dock, I noticed a commotion on shore, people yelling and screaming so I bee lined it over to them to see what was going on. Long story short, a family was frantically searching the water at Government Wash where the lake deceivingly drops in depth just off a swimming area. By the time search and rescue got there, they pulled a purple little boy from the water 25 minutes later.

Later found out that none of the family knew how to swim, they were at an unfamiliar place for them. When they were calling 911 for help, they had to put me on the phone so search & rescue could pin point our location. I was the only one in the area capable of rescue, and I had to be on the phone so they knew where to find us. I told the operator I was going back in to look for the kid, but she commanded me to stay on the phone. A couple of years later, after an EMT class, I understood why, but it still haunts me. Divers told me I wouldn't have found him anyway, he was down pretty deep. It was a very sad day.

[61rover]

Actual telephone exchange between my father (Juvenile Court Judge) and a parent:

Judge: Mrs. xxx? This is Judge yyy. I would like to release your daughter from juvenile detention for the Christmas holiday.
Parent: ok
Judge: All I need you to do is go pick her up. (about an hour away)
Parent: Well I'm busy.
Judge: You won't pick up your daughter? You'd rather she stay in detention for Christmas?!?
Parent: yeah.
Judge: Thanks for your time. click.

[alaskaboy]

Conversation overheard in Memphis court room by personal friend who was a social worker on the case of a 14 y.o. in arraignment for murder of an octogenarian.

Parent to child, "He was old and gonna die anyway".

Unbelievable parenting (Not that I don't have my own issues)!

[greg mgm]

A few years back my neighbors were having a yard sale. A car pulled up in front of my house and a toddler gets out and takes a dump on my lawn, while the parents went to the yard sale. I grabbed a shovel and plastic bag, went up to the kids parents and asked them to clean up the mess. Amazingly, they did, and took the bag with them. I fully expected them to get defensive about it, but it worked out OK.

[Greggk]

we usually do off the beaten path type camping, but one saturday we did a last minute decision adn decided to go camping. We didnt have enough time to go to our normal spot then setup camp before dark, so we stayed at a small campground on post at fort carson.

when we arrived 2 out of the 6 designated spots were already taken. so we took the one all the way in the back away from everyone else. we setup camp and got our campfire going. as we waited for the embers to get hot, the other campers came back to their spots...

did i mention i hate campgrounds?

anyways campers #1... a couple in their 40's. seem to be quiet loners. they go to thei site and keep to themselves and are quiet.

campers #2. couple in late 20's to early 30's with 4 boys and 3 huge dogs..., this is gonna get interesting.

never hear campers #1.

campers #2 on the the other hand were a nightmare. they came over introduced themselves and decided to make themselves at home to my brats i was cooking, and my beer. their kids decided to try to take my sons PSP away from him (big mistake trying to take on a 12 year old that is twice your size kid), and their youngest which was about the same age as my youngest which happens to be autistic, pushes her on the ground and starts making fun of her. at this point I am irate and as politely told them to get the F*** away from me and my family. didnt work.

We decided to leave as this was going to get bad. My wife and kids start taking down our camp and i started getting the fire put out, and the father started getting mouthy to us. thats when I got pushed by the father. that was the last straw. I ended up in a police car temporarily, but released due to the people who run the campground witnessed the events and had already called the MP's before he pushed me.

In retrospect I feel bad for punching the guy in his throat as his family watched in horror, but at the same time I feel great as i upheld my families honor and defended them against this wacked out family.