2007 Jeep Wrangler

[cshontz]

I found these two pictures on the web, one of the Gladiator interior, and one of the 2007 Wrangler interior - a camoflaged test mule. This strongly suggests to me that the Gladiator is a really good indication of what the forthcoming Jeep Wrangler is going to look like from the B-pillar forward. This has been confirmed by some in various Jeep forums, but this is the best evidence that I've seen.

http://static.flickr.com/20/68055943_64fd107db9_o.jpg

Here's a picture I took at Camp Jeep this past summer.

http://static.flickr.com/22/33939396_d1022df2d4.jpg

From what I've heard, I don't think they plan on producing the Gladiator - at least not in the 2007 model year, but since it seems to share the same platform as the 2007 Wrangler, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Gladiator, or something like the Gladiator for a later model year. I'm just speculating.

They created a finished concept that everyone thought was going to go into production back in 1997 called the Dakar, but they never really did. Actually, they did produce the Liberty, which borrowed styling from the Dakar and the Jeepster - but it didn't have the rugged characteristics and functionality that everyone loved about the Dakar concept. :(

Regarding the 2007 Jeep Wrangler, here is a good consolidation of information about the upcoming model. I'm sure its largely accurate.

http://jeepin.net/blog/?p=10

There will be a two-door version, and four-door version. The four door version is rumored to be called the "Jeep Rescue", not to be confused with the concept, but I'm sure its styling will be inspired by the Rescue concept.

I'm really excited by the four-door Jeep. It looks like it may be a really neat vehicle with alot of space compared to the traditional SWB Jeeps. I love my Cherokee, but I'm sure I'm going to have Jeep envy once its finally unveiled. :)

http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05august/jeep_jkspy2.jpg

[articulate]

I'm really excited by the four-door Jeep. It looks like it may be a really neat vehicle with alot of space compared to the traditional SWB Jeeps. I love my Cherokee, but I'm sure I'm going to have Jeep envy once its finally unveiled. :)

http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05august/jeep_jkspy2.jpg
Did you also read about the top having removable panels rather than a traditional ragtop? I wouldn't dare say this to "Jeep people" (oh so afraid of change, they are...) but I think that is cool. If I'm visualizing that correctly. It'll probably still have Cool Factor 10 and widespread hot-chick endorsement.

Can't wait to see it.

Mark

[Scott Brady]

I am watching this new model with great interest.... If it comes with a diesel, it might be more than I can take :ylsmoke:

Though I am also considering a "freshening" of my current Wrangler as an option. I just dont like car payments.

[kevin]

I wonder if it would be the same diesel offered currently in the Liberty model?

[Scenic WonderRunner]

I wonder if it would be the same diesel offered currently in the Liberty model?





2005 Jeep® Liberty 2.8-Liter Common Rail Turbo Diesel Engine, rated at an estimated 160 hp at 3,800 rpm and with 295 lb.-ft. torque at 1,800 rpm. 5000 pounds towing ability.

http://z.about.com/d/trucks/1/0/m/F/05_liberty_diesel.jpg


<<SANTA YNEZ, CA - There were a host of new things to try and do at the first-ever Camp Jeep California, but, for us, driving the updated 2005 Jeep Liberty Diesel with its new common-rail turbo diesel engine was critical. This new offering from DaimlerChrysler is groundbreaking in the North American compact SUV market. With fuel economy a growing concern, Jeep engineers say the new powerplant delivers the fuel consumption of a four-cylinder while still providing the acceleration of a V6 and the torque of a V8.

CLATTER LEVEL BETWEEN KENWORTH AND VOLKSWAGEN

Unwanted noise and vibration limited the appeal of old diesel-powered vehicles, so Jeep tried to quiet its new mill by installing a noise-reducing engine cover, balancing shafts, an air induction resonator, and a torque converter turbine damper. Thus, when we twisted the key of the Liberty to fire the engine, we expected quiet. It wasn’t. The 2005 Jeep Liberty Diesel is definitely not as hushed in operation as Volkswagen’s impressive TDI engine. On the other hand, neither was it as loud as a clattering 18-wheeler, or your local garbage hauler that doubles as a Saturday morning alarm clock.

GOOD FUEL ECONOMY AND TORQUE FOR TOWING

Displacing 2.8 liters in an inline-four configuration, the 2005 Jeep Liberty Diesel’s engine is rated to generate 160 horsepower at 3,800 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. of torque at 1,800 rpm. Power flows to the ground through a five-speed automatic transmission. Thanks to the increase in torque, the Jeep Liberty Diesel can tow an impressive 5,000 lbs., more than double a four-cylinder gasoline Liberty and equal to the V6 model. With a 20.5-gallon fuel tank and mileage predictions of 22-mpg city and 27-mpg highway (compared to the regular Liberty four-cylinder at 20/24 and Liberty V6 at 17/22), driving range is close to 500 miles. Fuel is delivered to the cylinders via direct injection at up to 24,000 psi. Direct injection burns the fuel more efficiently, thereby reducing hydrocarbon emissions. Compared to diesels of the 1980s, this engine is approximately 60 percent cleaner.
TURBO TWEAKS POWER DELIVERY THROUGHOUT REV RANGE

Diesels have also been criticized for their sluggish performance. Consequently, Jeep has attached a turbocharger to provide extra boost for improved acceleration. A moveable vane inside the turbo determines the impact of the turbocharger on engine power. During launches it acts like a “small” turbocharger to increase low-end torque, while at higher revs it works like a “large” turbo to provide better top-end power. The new Jeep Liberty Diesel is also quick to start, needing only two seconds to warm up the ceramic glow plugs.>>

http://www.aicautosite.com/Reviews/2005-jeep-liberty-diesel.asp

[Life_in_4Lo]

I love the Gladiator and I think the 4 dr wrangler is going to be hot. I did a photochop of it- I overlaid the Gladiator onto some spy pics and the hard lines match up so I believe a SUV-Gladiator will be the 4dr Wrangler

I'll see if I can find my photoshops...

[CLynn85]

I'm very excited about the next generation Wrangler. Some of the die-hards arent' too happy but neither were they when the TJ came out. I have faith that DCX won't disappoint us and I really like the idea of a slightly more livable 4-door. Can't wait til they unveil it at the NAIAS in January. :jump:

[Wanderlusty]

From what I've heard, I don't think they plan on producing the Gladiator. . .

:(


I hope they change their minds.

[datrupr]

Start writing them letters. If they get a big enough response they will more than likely put it or some version of it into production. I'll write a letter too if you like. Lemme see if I can't get teh information to send it off to.

[cshontz]

I hope they change their minds.

I don't think they plan on it yet, anyway. A Jeep pickup has been bouncing in an out of the rumor mill for the past several years at least. I think the Gladiator is a sign that they're heading in that direction. :)

[cshontz]

Now we're talking.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Daily_Edition/Daily_Edition_Sept_30-Oct_3_2005.S173.A9375.html

If this picture doesn't work, click on the above link. I would re-host and post, but I think The Car Connection is cracking down on that. :)

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/10489_JQARAZKPMGSRN.jpg

I can dig what I see so far. There's a little bit of belly-aching on other forums, but I don't see anything to complain about. Modernized styling is inevitable, and its still body-on-frame with solid axles, removable door, removable top, etc. :)

[+ d]

i'm pretty optimistic, i think it could be good.

i need a little jeep morale boost after the IFS on the grand cherokee and the goofy commander styling.

[calamaridog]

I really pissed some people off on another forum when I suggested the 2007 Wrangler would be equipped with IFS and aluminum front diffs, like my Liberty:p

I'm excited about body on frame construction, 4 doors, 4 wheel disc brakes, and a solid front axle.

Can we hope for D44's front and rear? How about 4.11's and 31" tires too. Standard? I don't want to have to fork out the "Rubicon" cash for good features.

One thing people have not discussed is the likely drivetrain changes. I believe the 4.0 I6 is out folks, replaced most likely with the 3.7 V6. The 4.7 is from the same engine family but I wouldn't hold your breath.

The 2.8 CRD is not emmissions legal in 5 states:rolleyes: Pretty lame if you ask me. I'd really like to see more diesels available too.

[goodtimes]

I was aimlessly wandering around a jeep dealership yesterday (stopped by the showroom after ordering a couple parts for my TJ). They mentioned the demise of the 4.0l as well, claiming that "people really like the 3.7l v-6". They had a hard time understanding why I told them the [off-road] performance will never match the 4.0 due to the torque curve being so high in the engines RPM range....they also didn't understand why I told them the commander will never be as capable off road as the wrangler (keeping in mind that we were discussing stock vehicle capabilities). There is some hope on the horizon though....because naturally the conversation drifted to diesel engines in the wrangler.....they believe it is only a couple years away (keeping in mind that these were sales people, not engineers). They did have 6 (yes, six!) diesel liberties on the lot, so I took one for a spin around the block. I was pleasently surprized. The rear seat leaves alot to be desired (way uncomfortable for a long ride), but great head room and leg room for a compact rig....the engine is noisy (not as bad as my 12 valve cummins, but every bit as noisy as a friends 24 valve cummins CRD), handling is tight (of course, my dodge has the typical "wandering ram" syndrome, so by comparison the libby is obscenely tight). Decent power, and there is at least *some* aftermarket support, so a small lift and 31 - 33" tires would be obtainable w/o major amounts of custom work.....

[cshontz]

Can we hope for D44's front and rear? How about 4.11's and 31" tires too. Standard? I don't want to have to fork out the "Rubicon" cash for good features.

One thing people have not discussed is the likely drivetrain changes. I believe the 4.0 I6 is out folks, replaced most likely with the 3.7 V6. The 4.7 is from the same engine family but I wouldn't hold your breath.

The 2.8 CRD is not emmissions legal in 5 states:rolleyes: Pretty lame if you ask me. I'd really like to see more diesels available too.

I don't think it'd be unreasonable to expect a Dana 44 - in the rear at the very least ... or possibly an AAM axle of some sort. All current Wrangler Unlimiteds, and of course Wrangler Rubicons are equipped with the 44. This leads me to believe that they might've finally wised up. I could be wrong. :)

You're right about our beloved 4.0L I-6 being replaced by a V6. :(

Unfortunately, I still think the good stuff is going to be on a Rubicon (or equivalent) model. The majority do not take full advantage of the off-roadability of a Jeep vehicle - so I don't think it'd really make sense to offer off-road improvements in anything but a particular package or two.

While Jeep still makes some very capable vehicles (thankfully), the brand itself has been watered down. Legendary off-road capability is no longer the primary selling point, as they try to manufacture a vehicle for everybody, instead of catering to an off-road niche.

To compare them to Hummer, not in terms of capability, but in terms of marketing ... GM took a risk, while DC played it safe with its product line. As an off-roader, I would've preferred to see DC take more risks, but who knows what the outcome would have been? Aren't Hummer commercials great? :o

[Life_in_4Lo]

That new Jeep looks pretty exciting. Only thing that concerns me is there is alot of junk hanging below the rockers, exhaust seems ready to be eaten by rocks...otherwise, it would be great lifted w/ some 33's. 4dr w/ removable top and solid axles...really cool. If it had a diesel, I would definitely be checking one out. With a street V6...dunno, it becomes much less appealing

I really like the Unlimited Rubicon as well. With mods, it looks great.

As for the D44, I hear the "corporate" 44 is not as strong due to aluminum included in the mix. The axles look really small as well...durability issues flash through my mind.

[cshontz]

As for the D44, I hear the "corporate" 44 is not as strong due to aluminum included in the mix. The axles look really small as well...durability issues flash through my mind.

The aluminum only pertains to certain Grand Cherokee models if I'm not mistaken. All Wrangler 44 housings are good ol' fashioned cast iron. :)

[calamaridog]

The 3.7 v6 is good engine. I have one in my Liberty. Yes, this is my opinion, but I do like this motor. To my limited knowledge, I don't think they have a more powerful v6 in the works. It is not the I6 but they are struggling to pass the I6for emmissions reasons. The I6 motor has lived a long life and run its course.

For obvious cost reasons, they will dip into their parts bins and use what is available. A few years ago, Chrysler really started sharing everything with Jeep, even entire platforms will be shared.

I'd really dig the idea of the 4.7 v8 in the Wrangler.:jumping:

Power is a funny thing. It can be utilized properly with the right combination of gearing and transmission. Even if that "perfect" low torque isn't there. Compromises; we will make do with whatever they give us because our options are few:(

[Scott Brady]

I am pretty excited about this new Jeep. I am actually holding off on my next purchase until I can check one out.

[goodtimes]

The 3.7 v6 is good engine. I have one in my Liberty. Yes, this is my opinion, but I do like this motor. To my limited knowledge, I don't think they have a more powerful v6 in the works. It is not the I6 but they are struggling to pass the I6for emmissions reasons. The I6 motor has lived a long life and run its course.

For obvious cost reasons, they will dip into their parts bins and use what is available. A few years ago, Chrysler really started sharing everything with Jeep, even entire platforms will be shared.

I'd really dig the idea of the 4.7 v8 in the Wrangler.:jumping:

Power is a funny thing. It can be utilized properly with the right combination of gearing and transmission. Even if that "perfect" low torque isn't there. Compromises; we will make do with whatever they give us because our options are few:(

The 4.0L I-6 has only been around since the late '80s. It is not that old for a engine. The thing that makes this engine so desirable for off road use is the fact that it makes 80% of it's torque at idle. With a manual transmission, this is a very good thing. Even in 2-hi I can load the engine down to less than 250rpm and it will keep running. On technical trails, this is very beneficial. The v-6 will stall at these speeds/loads, requiring you to use more throttle input to keep the vehicle running. As we know, the more you have to use the throttle, the less control you have, and the easier it is to break things. I'm not saying the v-6 is a bad engine, but it simply will not offer the same performance off road as the 4.0l will.

The one good thing I can see coming out of the 3.7l in the wrangler.....it will make it much easier to swap in the little CRD out of a liberty.

[calamaridog]

I agree the I6 is better for crawling around. But it isn't being updated and modernized and it has been killed:ar15: So what you are stuck with is a decent v6. In a perfect world, the 4.7 v8.

Also, the number of Wranglers (and other 4x4's) equipped with automatics increases each year.

The whole arguement is mute when they introduce the CRD Wrangler. I bet they do this by the 2008 model year. Then you can have your low end torque.

[goodtimes]

I would not buy a wrangler with a v-8. If I need/want a vehicle with that much power, it won't be a short wheelbase utility vehicle.

I'm holding my breath for the Unlimited Rubicon Wrangler CRD (providing they still offer a manual transmission and a soft top with it)

[calamaridog]

I wouldn't want the V8 in the SWB version. In this larger 4 door version, with the added weight of the Rubicon equipment and the upgrades, etc., I think the 4.7 v8 would be a good package.

I'm thinking of the 4 door version as more of an expedition type rig, that could be outfitted with more accessories than the SWB version.

Not holding my breath but I can dream.

Of course, the CRD would provide plenty of torque for either situation, I think.

[Life_in_4Lo]

I'll be honest, as much as people like to make fun of the Jeeps unreliability, at least they had some great benefits:
Rubicons have tons of aftermarket, sfa and the I6. No matter what, at least you can say it is a real offroad rig w/ performance to match it's looks.

The new package is much less appealing with the V6, even w/ sfa. This thing needs the diesel or some engine with some low end grunt...

[sacto_patrol]

I am thinking this last year model of the rubicon unlimited with the I-6 could be the best out the box rig ever massed produce. I have a feeling that in 2008 when Daimler releases the CRD in the wrangler it will have a IFS. I don't think we will ever get a unlimited rubicon with dual tops SFA CRD and a six speed.

[cshontz]

I am thinking this last year model of the rubicon unlimited with the I-6 could be the best out the box rig ever massed produce. I have a feeling that in 2008 when Daimler releases the CRD in the wrangler it will have a IFS. I don't think we will ever get a unlimited rubicon with dual tops SFA CRD and a six speed.

IFS is still a long way off for the "traditional" Jeep. The next generation is definately solid axle, and the last two generations have each lasted 10 years. I can only speculate as to whether or not we'll see a CRD, but I don't think they'd completely reengineer the vehicle after only one model year.

That being said, I agree with you. I think the 2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited may be the glorious end of an era. I'm very open and receptive to the forthcoming changes, and I have little doubt that the future Jeep vehicles are going to be fun and capable to great degree, but there may come a time when we look at the end of the TJ run and say ... "They don't make 'em like that anymore." :)

[cshontz]

Pictures and some information regarding the 2007 Jeep Wrangler have been leaked before the embargo was lifted. They were published in the February issue of MPG magazine. I'm still excited to see the official photography from DC.

NOTE: These linked pictures may expire, but I'm sure there will be more to come in the near future.

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Jeep1.jpg

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Jeep2.jpg

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Jeep3.jpg

There are some design cues that will take some getting use to, but overall, I am pleased with the next generation Jeep Wrangler.

[datrupr]

I agree Chris, I think overalll it looks very good. It maintains the basic lines of the traditional Jeeps, with a more updated look, IMO.

[sacto_patrol]

Did they switch from MTR to BFG Mud's?

[cshontz]

Did they switch from MTR to BFG Mud's?

It looks that way, if those are pictures of a production vehicle. That's fine with me, because I am perfectly happy with BFGoodrich, but if that is the case, it'd be interesting to hear whatever story there may be behind the switch. :)

[Wanderlusty]

Mebby due to moving up to an 18 inch rim? Just a guess?

The rims look cool, but I dunno if I wanna pay for a 32X10.5X18.... what a strange size...

[Life_in_4Lo]

Pictures and some information regarding the 2007 Jeep Wrangler have been leaked before the embargo was lifted. They were published in the February issue of MPG magazine. I'm still excited to see the official photography from DC.

NOTE: These linked pictures may expire, but I'm sure there will be more to come in the near future.

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Jeep3.jpg

There are some design cues that will take some getting use to, but overall, I am pleased with the next generation Jeep Wrangler.

Looks good. The only things I dont like are
1. Front grille is too rounded and headlights look too small. I think it looks a tad feminine compared to the rest of the vehicle

2. steering wheel/busy interior. I know the retro thing is cool but, personally, the stick-spoke wheel and overly busy interior seem destined to be quickly dated.
Incidentally, is the steering wheel a part recycle from the PT Cruiser?

Overall, I like it as they didn't stray from the winning formula of the older Rubicon.
The 4Dr will be very cool, very tempting

[CLynn85]

Overall I like it, the flares are really the only thing I'm not keen on but they're removable!!!!!!!! And I'm sure bestop or someone will make some cool replacements.

I can't wait to get my hands on a 4-door one!

[Scenic WonderRunner]

I've never really been a huge Jeep fan.....although I know they can tame the tuffest of trails.

In the pics in the above post..........I'm seeing a 2007 Rubicon..............it looks like Jeep is playing with the "Front Grill"....!

I would say this is a major NO~NO!...........They better be real careful with this or they will pay a price! Even I know that.....and I've never owned a Jeep!

[cshontz]

Spy pics of a 2007 Jeep Wrangler four-door with soft top were revealed in Autoweek. Its somewhat revealing, as this is pretty much the first time I've seen a soft top on an 07, let alone the four-door.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=CW&Date=20060123&Category=PHOTOS02&ArtNo=124001&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1

It is also mentioned that the four-door will be unveiled at the auto show in New York in April.

[Scott Brady]

The 4-door version is pretty exciting to me. With the Rubicon package and large tires, it will be a killer machine.

VERY TEMPTING...

[calamaridog]

Very tempting but what engine will be powering that vehicle?

The V6 will be underpowered in that larger vehicle I think...

[Scott Brady]

Is the 3.7 Reliable?

I have never been a big fan of powerful motors. I have only owned one with more than 200hp, and that is my Trooper (much bigger vehicle).

I actualy prefer the smaller motors for fuel economy and parts durability.

If they offer the diesel, the deal is done!

[cshontz]

The V6 will be underpowered in that larger vehicle I think...

I can't remember where I read it, but there is a rumor that they will offer a more powerful engine as an option for the four-door.

[calamaridog]

Scott,

I'm not a fan of "powerful" engines either, which is why I have a Toyota:exclaim: The 4.7 I-force V8 is adequate to move the heavy 100 series, but no more.


With that being said, it would be nice if they offered the small 4.7 V8 as an option on the larger 4 door Jeep. I love choices:jumping: and I think this thing will be heavy.

Remember, they are using a different 3.8 V6 in the new Wrangler than the one offered in the Liberty, Dakota, and Durrango which is 3.7L and is related to the 4.7L V8.

I am a fan of that family of motors, I've had good luck with my 3.7L and my dad put a ton of miles on a work vehicle equipped with the 4.7L and no engine problems.

I noticed they are using power windows now on the Wrangler? Not wild about that. The power windows on the Liberty have given us problems.

I would also consider a 4 door Wrangler as a replacement for the Liberty at a later date. My wife has always wanted a Wrangler.

And yes, the diesel would attract a ton of people I believe. The problem is still that the 2.8 CRD is only rated 45 state emmissions legal right now:(

[OutbacKamper]

.

If they offer the diesel, the deal is done!

This according to "Just 4x4s" (an Aussie magazine that contains a few articles but is mostly just For Sale ads for used 4x4's) regarding the new Jeep Wrangler

"The new Wrangler will come to Australia with a diesel engine for the first time..."

So, IF this is correct it will be yet another example of the Aussies getting a diesel that is not available in North America. If this does happen, I can see a few wrecked 2007 diesel jeeps finding there way to North America for some engine swaps.
Cheers
Mark

[CLynn85]

Some updates on the '07 product line.

Here's the patriot, looks like a neat little soft-roader/mini XJ:
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/04/09/jeep-announces-production-ready-patriot/


And here's the one I've been waiting for, first shots of the 07 4-door wrangler:

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/cslynn/webstuff/Misc/07-4doorscan1.jpg

[cshontz]

Wow! Way to scoop, Carl. :)

My first impression is that the four door Wrangler is ... not necessarily ugly, but ... is of unique form, and seems to have some awkward lines. The rear door almost looks like it is squeezed in there as an afterthought. And of course could they have equipped it with smaller street tires?

These idiosyncracies aside, if I end up shopping for a 2007 or later Jeep Wrangler, I'd probably consider the four-door over the two-door. I'm sure there will be vast aftermarket support, and I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually see it equipped with a diesel. In the meantime, I'm quite content with my Cherokee.

[upcruiser]

I saw a four door being tested in Michigan's UP back in January and it looked better in person. Plus the one I saw I believe was a Rubicon test mule, as it had the Rubi wheels and what looked to be 31'ish tires on it. It was camouflaged but not very well and I got a good look at it, plus the two door version.

[Scott Brady]

I really like that 4-Door. Cool hinges and removable top. Solid axle too.

Give me a diesel and that might seal the deal!!!! It would be a perfect Trooper replacement.

[Life_in_4Lo]

Looks great w/ the hardtop, like a neat SUV. I don't like how it looks w/o a top; kinda like a goofy, extended Pink Jeep tour truck.

If it comes w/ a diesel, I would be seriously tempted to visit a Jeep showroom!