Laptop Based GPS Software options?

[gahi]

I'm looking to use a usb gps puck with my laptop for topo maps. I've read through a lot of threads trying to find a definitive list of what softwares will work. Maybe we can have it all it one thread. What do you use?

[Tucson T4R]

If your focus is just on the best Topo maps and your not interested in turn by turn navigation then I vote for National Geographic Topo. It has excellent map detail and will interface with GPS input to plot exactly where you are on the map.

If you want automated navigation for street maps you need something more like the Garmin Navigator but their Topo maps are much higher level with much less detail.

[gahi]

I dont need turn by turn, will it work with a gps puck? So for $40 for the GPS Puck, and another $50 per state for the nat geo TOPO, that would be all I need?

[Equipt]

I struggled with this issue for some time. I asked around a bunch, and got some good advice on this forum. But I believe the best advice was from BajaTaco. Chris is pretty good at this stuff. He advised me to go with the DeLorme Topo software, and I also picked up a bluetooth GPS receiver that I mount to the windshield. My unit is called a i.Trek M7. A cool little gizmo that syncs with DeLorme effortlessly. I get great topo and road maps of the entire US, color, and 3D flyby. It is easy to use, and works pretty darn well. Hope that helps.

Cheers,

[gahi]

I struggled with this issue for some time. I asked around a bunch, and got some good advice on this forum. But I believe the best advice was from BajaTaco. Chris is pretty good at this stuff. He advised me to go with the DeLorme Topo software, and I also picked up a bluetooth GPS receiver that I mount to the windshield. My unit is called a i.Trek M7. A cool little gizmo that syncs with DeLorme effortlessly. I get great topo and road maps of the entire US, color, and 3D flyby. It is easy to use, and works pretty darn well. Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Thanks, that looks pretty good. I'm not clear on the maps though. Does it come with the 24K maps, or do you need to buy them for each state? If so, how much do they run?

[Tucson T4R]

I dont need turn by turn, will it work with a gps puck? So for $40 for the GPS Puck, and another $50 per state for the nat geo TOPO, that would be all I need?

The NG Topo software would take the GPS input from your puck. The state by state purchase would get expensive if you travel to different states a lot.

I don't know the DeLorme cost but it sounds like it provides good topo maps for the entire US. They have a good rep.

Both Topo programs support 3D fly over views for any route you lay out. Pretty cool feature just for fun.

[Equipt]

You can buy the Delorme western or eastern versions for around $35, or the whole US for $65.

http://www.google.com/search?q=delorme+topo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Cheers,

[redbeard]

Well, keep in mind there are different OS for the laptop - off my head

Windows
1)Overland Navigator *r
2)NG TOPO! Backroads and State series *r
3)Delorme offerings *vr (not sure)
4)Garmin offerings *v

Mac
1)routebuddy *rv
2)macgpspro *r
3)garmin offerings *v


*r = raster maps
*v = vector maps

[redbeard]

I'll also add that different vendors use different maps - Delorme makes their own (and uses USGS as an add-on), some use USGS/USFS quads, and some use some combo thereof.

I'd do some research and weigh in what you are looking for, file sizes and features.

[dzzz]

Garmin complete laptop solution is PC only, I think - Garmin Mobile® PC. Their mac products only work in conjunction with gps devices.
The Garmin software is suppose to be very good, but can only be installed on one device. I'm going to try it when I'm sure of the machine I want it to run on. It will probably run on a mac under vista. Other gps works this way.
Delorme TopoUSA releases a new version this month. The interface is wierd but I like it.
Garmin is the place to start.

[gahi]

Thanks, Whats the advantage of vector vs. raster? I'm running windows. So with delorme, they make their own that scale to 24K but dont necessarily have all the info the USGS based systems would have? Then if you want that info, thats where their subscription based map library comes in?

File sizes, I guess this doesnt really matter, whatever gives the best detail. For features, the fly through sounds cool but isnt needed. I'd like it to real time track, show distances traveled, mark camps, I dont know if it would store multiday info but that would be nice. Then when I get back, create an overall track for the entire trip, and export to a .gpx.

I've never had a GPS before, so I dont really know all the features. Thanks for all the help everyone.

[BajaTaco]

It's kind of wild that this thread popped up today, as the Summer issue of Overland Journal is getting ready to go to print. I have a fifteen-page article in there on this very subject. It is part one of a two-part series with part one being for Windows-based computers.


I struggled with this issue for some time. I asked around a bunch, and got some good advice on this forum. But I believe the best advice was from BajaTaco. Chris is pretty good at this stuff. He advised me to go with the DeLorme Topo software, and I also picked up a bluetooth GPS receiver that I mount to the windshield. My unit is called a i.Trek M7. A cool little gizmo that syncs with DeLorme effortlessly. I get great topo and road maps of the entire US, color, and 3D flyby. It is easy to use, and works pretty darn well. Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Thanks, Paul. A lot has changed since we had that talk. More choices have become available and I've been running a bunch of different programs over the last couple of years, trying them all out. The article will cover 6 different software choices (some of which are free, or nearly free).

[Akecj7]

With Delorme thier maps are good. They have mostly the main roads that are found on USGS maps. They are not as detailed (missing some tanks and unmarked roads). You can download USGS maps via their subscription for 29.95 a year or by using their add-on's (99 a state or partial state). I have tried their downloads and they are kinda a pain in the but. You are only able to download a certian amount of maps that are not quad based (download by the area size only you have to download x amount of files to equal one quad). If there a lot of people trying to download from their site then downloads are slow or they just fail. I personally perfer the detail of the USGS 7.5min quads and I am considering just buying the Arizona (local state) and then when and if I travel out of state then just buy those as needed. Another package to consider is Terrain Navigator, which I also run. When things pan out I am going to purchase Overland Navigator.

[BajaTaco]

Thanks, Whats the advantage of vector vs. raster? I'm running windows. So with delorme, they make their own that scale to 24K but dont necessarily have all the info the USGS based systems would have? Then if you want that info, thats where their subscription based map library comes in?

File sizes, I guess this doesnt really matter, whatever gives the best detail. For features, the fly through sounds cool but isnt needed. I'd like it to real time track, show distances traveled, mark camps, I dont know if it would store multiday info but that would be nice. Then when I get back, create an overall track for the entire trip, and export to a .gpx.

I've never had a GPS before, so I dont really know all the features. Thanks for all the help everyone.

Vector vs. Raster: They both have advantages and disadvantages. Raster maps are resolution-dependent, just like a photo would be on your computer. The higher the resolution, the closer you can zoom in to an area of the image without it losing as much quality (getting pixelated). Vector maps are not resolution dependent, so you can scale them easily and the image quality is consistent and good. Raster maps often let you see information that vector maps won't have. One of the most common examples are all of the cool little hand-written notes as well as historic data often shown on USGS topo maps. Things such as the tiniest of structures (like a line shack or a utility building), or maybe a simple note like "Rocky" to indicate where there are a lot of exposed boulders or bald rock features. Vector maps tend not to have this level of detail. On the other hand, vector maps will sometimes have current Forest Service road numbers or other route labels from more modern GIS data surveys, that older topo images won't have. Raster maps are just "pictures' of paper maps, or photo maps, and so you can use any map anywhere in the world that is on paper, whether it be drawn, or photographed; if it can be scanned into an image, then it can be a raster map. This isn't possible with vector maps, as not every map known to man has been converted into a digital vector model. Vector maps have the advantage of being "smart" because they are not just a picture. Every pixel of what you see is dynamic and can be manipulated to relate information, contain data, perform functions, as well as putting different sets of data on "layers" that can be stacked on top of one another, independently turned off, etc. Vector data can be called upon by the user to see information at a glance - this can be info associated with other things, such as turn-by-turn directions, telephone directories, categories for points-of-interest, etc.

So the bottom line for me, is to try and take advantage of both types if possible.

You mentioned DeLorme in your post above - they use vector maps that mimic the USGS topos, but as you mentioned, you can purchase a subscription to access their raster map library too. The raster maps can be laid over their vector stuff for the best of both worlds. They also use DEMs (digital elevation models) so these scans of paper maps can be "molded" in 3D to show a tilted 3D aspect of the terrain.

[Tucson T4R]

Garmin complete laptop solution is PC only, I think - Garmin Mobile® PC. Their mac products only work in conjunction with gps devices.
The Garmin software is suppose to be very good, but can only be installed on one device. I'm going to try it when I'm sure of the machine I want it to run on. It will probably run on a mac under vista. Other gps works this way.
Delorme TopoUSA releases a new version this month. The interface is wierd but I like it.
Garmin is the place to start.

The Garmin one user license actually cover up to 2 installs. I have all my Garmin software installed on both my home desktop PC and my Laptop. No problem.:sombrero:

[gahi]

wow, thanks for the explanation Chris.

[TrailTrackers]

If you are going to use a Garmin USB receiver then you'll need a translator if you are also using NG TOPO! State; I use GpsGate and it not only works great, it is very easy to setup and get going.

Here's a link (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=570623#post570623) to my system.

[evldave]

I've been using carPCs since about 2001 when I bought my first laptop and immediately started buying NatGeo TOPO states. I'm gonna be getting a copy of the OJ article to see what it says, but here's my take:

On my touchscreen netbook (lenovo S10-3t) I use the following software. Sometimes all at once, sometimes not (I've had no problem running 2-3 mapping programs at once on my netbook, they aren't very resource-intensive)...

Bluetooth GPS BU-359
XPort GPS software, it makes the GPS signals available to more than one program at a time.

ON THE ROAD
Microsoft Streets and Trips...I love this for basic routing, and tinkering. Probably because I have every year of it for the past 7 years :) Plus, I have loaded in every campground and brewpub in Washington & Oregon, so it's easy to find the nearest place to get beer for my camping trips :)
Delorme Street Atlas 2009 - ok software, it has the phonebook which is mostly up-to-date. Works ok for tracking while you are driving.
Garmin Mobile PC - Just started in on this. I think this works well for the navigationally-challenged, but I find this (and most other GPS units) annoying. I'm a 'look at a map' type, so your mileage may vary. I do love the gas prices feature if you are networked.

OFF THE ROAD

NatGeo TOPO - Best if you are old-school topo-map type of guy. Lots of detail. Real-time tracking works ok. I use this most because i can load maps into my Windows Mobile phone and use them real-time outside the car. Overall the best bet if you can handle the cost (get backroads explorer and you get 100k maps for the whole US). Easy to d/l waypoints to a GPS if I want to use that (mostly I use my winmo phone unless I need sirfIII).
Delorme TOPO - Close 2nd. I run both at the same time. I like the delorme better for just driving around off-road, and it is definitely more up-to-date.

If I had only $100 to spend, I'd get GPS+Delorme TOPO. It has up-to-date maps, decent topo features, and is a good overall value for your money.

If you have the money, get them all - they have their strengths/weaknesses and i find myself using different software for all the different things I do.

As a note: There is OziExplorer and Overland Navigator...I haven't had a chance to mess with them, but I hear they are great software packages...

Ideally, I'd have them all available, and run

[AxeAngel]

Subscribed to thread, exactly what I am looking for. Cant wait for the new edition of OJ.

Deciding between this or a 2m Ham as the next mod...

-Sam

[redbeard]

I guess another Raster/Vector issue...

Are Delormes maps "smart" as Chris mentioned or are they just data being rendered?

Keep in mind, the data has varying levels of accuracy. The USGS maps were made from surveys (people on the ground), and the other data made via more modern techniques (elevation models, imagery, etc) available since the USGS started 125 years ago...

I agree, it's best to have a combination - I like the way the Nat Geo Topo had the USGS maps with roads on top - it's a good start. Some have issues with Nat Geo, but the state series and backroads seems to work fine for me.

I know the Nat Geo stuff now comes on 2 dvd's (for CO) rather than 7 cd's, and they dropped the price recently.

[x32792]

I started a thread on this same subject in the GPS and Computers (Hardware) section. Had I seen this thread earlier, I would not have stated it... My apologies.

Now subscribed to both threads and hope specific recommendations on Software, GPS Receivers, and Map Sets will be identified (and specified) for both Mac and PC users.

John

[x32792]

Thank you for contacting DeLorme Technical Support. Topo 8 will only install and operate in a Windows environment. If you have an Intel based Mac, you can use Parallels or Bootcamp to run Windows and then install our software.

You can use any GPS receiver that processes GPS signal in the NMEA 0183 standard with our Topo software.

[gahi]

I still havn't picked a software setup. With more research I've found more choices. I wish that mapsource supported live tracking. It was free, and there are a lot of maps available for free as well. It might with something I dont know about yet.

[BajaTaco]

I guess another Raster/Vector issue...

Are Delormes maps "smart" as Chris mentioned or are they just data being rendered? . . .

I'll assume we're discussing the "Topo" product. (DeLorme also has XMap products, which are used for pro GIS applications.) The Topo maps are smart in a sense that there is a whole set of "draw" objects (which are vector) that the user can create and use with the maps. One example is the ability to draw roads and then use them with auto-routing. That is the user-defined stuff. . . then there is the DeLorme vector data, which could be considered smart as well. Maybe not to the degree of some functions that a GIS survey would use, but smart in that you can search the POI database, hover over objects and see info, use referenced points to calculate data, see sunrise/set times, adjust sunlight/terrain shadowing, etc. I would consider all of these functions to be more than just rendering (sitting static on the the screen).

[dzzz]

The Garmin one user license actually cover up to 2 installs. I have all my Garmin software installed on both my home desktop PC and my Laptop. No problem.:sombrero:

The problem I believe is changing gps devices. I would try it, but I don't want to screw up my system.

[UK4X4]

"I wish that mapsource supported live tracking"

it does- but if you have an old version and are using a USB cable you'll need the update and then it will work fine.

for some reason one of the versions won't work with USB where the earlier and later versions did.

[gahi]

"I wish that mapsource supported live tracking"

it does- but if you have an old version and are using a USB cable you'll need the update and then it will work fine.

for some reason one of the versions won't work with USB where the earlier and later versions did.

I have the latest version, but I dont have a GPS or anything yet. Does it just automatically recognize the device? When looking around through the menu's I dont see an option for the live tracking.

[UK4X4]

You have to connect it using the software - the side panel then appears !

LHS of the screen

[gahi]

any idea if it will work with a puck style receiver like the BU-353?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41SsaqCyC3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[UK4X4]

If the puck talks garmin yes

Oh and mapsource you can install it on as many machines as you like

the maps are the controlled part both in mapsource and downloading to the GPS

[gahi]

Thanks, I think I'll go ahead and order one and see.

[x32792]

http://x32792.smugmug.com/Other/x32792/semsons-inc21138723514/956115662_47Jse-L.gif

Above is the "little brother" of the larger BU-353 USB GPS puck with cable. To read the full specifications, see link below:

http://www.semsons.com/glbuusbgpsre2.html (no affiliation or recommendation to buy from this company)

Feature
USB 2.0 interface
Build-in SiRF Star III GPS chip
Support SBAS (WAAS, EGNOS and RTCM)
Support Microsoft® Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003/Vista/7TM
Support Macintosh OS 8/9/10.X, RedHat 7.3 / 8.0 / 9.0

Of personal interests to me is the compatibility with MacIntosh. I've written GlobalSat Technical Support to ask if the GlobalSat ND-100S or larger BU-353 USB GPS Receiver will display real time GPS location using Garmin-BaseCamp and Garmin maps running on my MacBook Pro?

I wlll, of course, share GlobalSat response.

John

[Antichrist]

I've been using the Delorme products for about 10 years and quite like them.
I don't buy every upgrade, but usually every 3 years or so. My laptop is really old (2002) so until I get a new laptop I probably won't get a new version, every new release tends to be more bloated.

[x32792]

GlobalSat Tech Support has responded and informs me most of their GPS Receivers will work with NMEA compatible programs. They also recommended I look at the newer and smaller GlobalSat ND-100S USB GPS Receiver. There is a MacIntosh Driver download for the ND-100S on their website.

Will the GlobalSat ND-100S USB GPS Receiver work with Mac-Garmin BaseCamp mapping software to display your real time GPS location on a MacBook Pro? I have no idea....And if GlobSat knows, they aren't telling.

[dzzz]

Why would you want a laptop attached usb under a metal roof? Bluetooth USB work fine if the desire is to remove the cord. The tradeoff is managing batteries rather than a cord.
Generally, xport may be needed with Garmin as a receiver or program. Everyone else is standardized. I have four or five receiver and they all worked without much effort.
Buying the best software is what requires some study. That why many of us map geeks run multiple programs.

[gahi]

Just loaded xport, but when I click the enable ports box, I get a 64 bit error message. Anyone know a way around this, or if it even matters. I dont have the gps puck yet, so I was just messing around with it.

[CanuckMariner]

There is a ton of things to consider, some of which have been mentioned here on this thread.


What GPS do you have already or are thinking of getting, type, manufacturer, etc.
What do you want to use it for, cities, travel, off road, etc.
What is available near you to keep costs down, servicing, asking questions, etc.
What is available (maps, topos, software, cables, memory, accessories, etc.) for your choice above,
How much are you will to spend on everything, etc.
Ease of use, understanding, robustness, ruggedness, etc.
raster versus vector maps
custom versus your maps, downloadable, etc.
The list goes on and Chris can you fill you in when you read the OJ article.


Bottom line is how much do you want to spend, how steep a learning curve do you want or can handle, how much more software do you want to buy, learn, handle while you are driving.

* Note: GPS is not meant as a replacement to paper maps, paper maps always work, just need to learn how to navigate first.

I chose a Garmin, one of or the largest manufacturer and well known, easy servicing, warranty, easy to use/learn, etc. I bought mine used on eBay, cheaper and got extra stuff with it for less $.

If you want to add maps, make sure the GPS can handle it and you can get or have a larger memory card (SD, xSD, etc.) start with one that handle at least 2GB if not 4GB.

Mine came with city navigation software for N. America. I added topo for all of W. Canada, W. USA and W. MX. All fit on my 2GB card and topo was free from
www.miscjunk.org and www.gpsdepot.com. Listed by state and Garmin compatible and upgradeable.

I always select the city navigator software/data first and then the topo maps I want. That way I can get voice routeing turns as well as seeing the topo. If I have a way point like a camp-site on my topo, I can merely select it and touch go and it will tell me where to turn even though the topo is not voice routeing.

My only draw back in my system (due to age of my GPS) is I can not enter or get lat/long or elevation [only off topo maps]). I solve this problem by using Garmin's free but no longer upgradable nor supported software nRoute. But it works just fine for me.

I use the GPS antenna with the GPS I bought and simple connect the GPS to my Acer Aspire One and the antenna sends my location to the nRoute software. I get instant speed, elevation, lat/long, voice routing etc. I can enter lat/long, create way points, tracks, etc.

A very effective, versatile and inexpensive solution to my problem and perhaps yours as well. I get around western North America very well with this software, even in Mexico, cities, Barrancas Del Cobre, and the larger and more confusing cities in the USA like LA, Denver, Phoenix, etc.

If you need more info, help, questions, email me as per my profile.

Good luck!:costumed-smiley-007

[gahi]

Thats my newest plan.

nRoute
Xport
BU-353

[WVF150]

I use, and my company uses Delorme Topo to navigate areas without roads prior to building High Tension Power Lines.
By the way I have a PN-40 that will work with and co-exist with your laptop using the same software above.

Works awesome, especially in Geo Caching because of seeing the topo and guess where it might be prior to finding.

[x32792]

Why would you want a laptop attached usb under a metal roof? Bluetooth USB work fine if the desire is to remove the cord. The tradeoff is managing batteries rather than a cord.
Generally, xport may be needed with Garmin as a receiver or program. Everyone else is standardized. I have four or five receiver and they all worked without much effort.
Buying the best software is what requires some study. That why many of us map geeks run multiple programs.

Thumb drive, bluetooth or cable, metal or fiberglas top...Small potatoes.

I had never owned a GPS until recently when I decided to run the eastern portion of Trans America Trail. I went with a Mac based Garmin Nuvi 1490T because I'm a long time Mac User and Garmin is a big name. The Nuvi worked well on major paved roads, but on dirt and gravel when forced to recalculate it malfunctioned. And sometimes for no apparent reason, it just lost its mind.

Regardless of cost, which operating system you're running or how many map sets you have, finding an almost goof-proof GPS navigational system is turning out to be very much like the search for the Holy Grail.

[dzzz]

Satellites up in sky. thumbdrive under metal roof roof. no see satellite .
Big potato.
Nuvi no see sky. nuvi no track satellite.

[x32792]

Satellites up in sky. thumbdrive under metal roof roof. no see satellite .
Big potato.
Nuvi no see sky. nuvi no track satellite.

Don,

I haven't had any problem with my Nuvi tracking satellites and want to believe a puck (with or without a cord) or a thumbdrive GPS receiver in a netbook on my dash would work just as well.

John

[gahi]

Thats my newest plan.

nRoute
Xport
BU-353

Scratch that, apparently Xport does not work with 64-bit systems. so:

Mapsource
nRoute
BU-353
GpsGate


I really wish that the Xport worked in 64-bit. Has anyone gotten it to? It seems like a pretty basic and clean program. Plus its free. GpsGate is $40

[CanuckMariner]

My Garmin system, so far (touch wood), has been fool/goof proof. The only problem I have is all the infrastructure changes near or in big towns/cities as I have not updated the City Navigator software in some time. My fibreglass and also my metal roof in both trucks have no problem reading the signal through them. Depending on the antenna/GPS position, it should get eh satellite signals. Put it near the top, by the rear view mirror where the glass meets the metal/fibreglass roof. I used a RAM clamp to mount mine on the rear view mirror stem. Works great! :costumed-smiley-007

[dzzz]

A gps antenna is getting no signal through a metal roof. It's "seeing" the satellites at an angle out the windows. The gps software with a poor fix will "snap" the vehicle icon to the road as long as it assumes your still traveling down a road. It's a design choice by the software engineer as to the tradeoff between accuracy and keeping the user happy.
If that's good enough for the use and users, fine. But complaining about gps systems while ignoring the fundamentals doesn't make a lot of sense.

[PHXtaco]

gahi, I am using the BU-353 and it has worked out quite well. I have a windows laptop with NG Topo and Delorme Street Atlas. However... I can only have one program at a time using the GPS antenna-- both will programs will run, just one has to go without GPS data. The refresh rate on the BU-353 is significantly slower (guessing a couple seconds versus 1 second) than hooking up the lap top directly to my Garmin handhelds. But I am willing to sacrifice a lower refresh speed to be able to have to deal with just one cable from the computer to the antenna outside as opposed to having one cable from laptop to handheld gps, a second cable from the hand held to a power source, and then a third cable from the handheld to an external antenna.

I also will attest that the BU-353, Garmin II+ and GPSmap 60CSX receive a significantly degraded signal in the vehicle as opposes to outside of the vehicle or attached to an external antenna.

[craig]

gahi, I am using the BU-353 and it has worked out quite well. I have a windows laptop with NG Topo and Delorme Street Atlas. However... I can only have one program at a time using the GPS antenna-- both will programs will run, just one has to go without GPS data.

This is true of any GPS. You need to use a utility like GPSGate to run two pieces of software on top of one GPS.

[gahi]

my BU-353 showed up today, running a trial of GPSGate, (Xport doesnt send garmin emulated signal, or work with windows 64 bit.) GpsGate isn't working with the latest release of Google Earth yet.

everything is working with nRoute. I havn't gone anywhere with it yet, but just messing around with it, it seems like it will be ok.
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq360/moabbuzz/nRouteimage.jpg

[gahi]

Night display mode. It automatically switches according to the sunrise/sunset data for the current location.
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq360/moabbuzz/nRoutenightmode.jpg

[fire931]

baaahhhh! this stuff is to confusing for me... :D

[deserteagle56]

Satellites up in sky. thumbdrive under metal roof roof. no see satellite .
Big potato.
Nuvi no see sky. nuvi no track satellite.

Exactly! I noticed a substantial boost in the performance of my Nuvi once I connected it to an external antenna, especially when used in my van. It never gets "confused" any more the way it used to. Those antennas are so cheap - and so inconspicuous - that to me its a no-brainer. Now I mount the Nuvi up against the roof of my rigs where it is out of the hot sun and away from prying eyes - and there's no where near the reflections on the screen, making it a lot more visible.
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww136/deserteagle56/4th%20of%20July%202010%20White%20Pine%20Mountains/IMG_1829.jpg

[gahi]

baaahhhh! this stuff is to confusing for me... :D

I'm not totally sold on it yet either.. Thus the quest for the cheapest available setup that'll work. I dont like the idea of trying to mount my laptop somewhere thats usable, but out of the way. I can rig up some contraption, or spend $200 + on a ram mount, but will the vibrations be too much for the hard drive? I dont know. I could mount the computer somewhere and run a remote screen, but then I'm getting into spending a good chunk of $$$.

[fire931]

yea i've been torn on what to do.. try to get the laptop into the truck somehow and use it for everything, or get a garmin gps and load it with the topo maps and use my phone to record a "track" of where i've been for later amusement..

[gahi]

wont the garmin gps record tracks?

[fire931]

not sure.. if it does then thats news to me.. i used to have one of their "cheap" gps units but got rid of it awhile back when i quit traveling for work. maybe some of the nicer units will do it...

[AxeAngel]

Okay so after much help from everyone on here this is what I did:

GlobalSat Bu-353
Delorme TOPO
Delorme Street Atlas
Garmin nRoute

On a dedicated laptop used only for mapping/navigation and for mp3/movies.

Total cost for software for $45
Globalsat Antenna $30
Laptop I'm debating to use an old dell inspiron or the new HP netbook i bought.

Netbook way will be $250 all in, laptop way will be $75 total cost.

Once i play around with it all, i will post my findings. If anyone has tips to share I would appreciate them.

-Sam

[Peter_n_Margaret]

http://www.oziexplorer.com/
Biased, I admit it, but this is the best GPS / mapping software.

Cheers,
Peter

[1leglance]

after running various laptops for a number of years on horrible washboards I can say that my worries about harddrives is now nil
I love the little Acer netbook I am using, the only downside is when running Ozi Explorer & Delorme Topo the refresh can be a bit slow (not much really) when I want to zoom and move around looking for things.

All in all I will never go back from a netbook setup since I also get all the benefits of having a pc with me

[gahi]

after running various laptops for a number of years on horrible washboards I can say that my worries about harddrives is now nil
I love the little Acer netbook I am using, the only downside is when running Ozi Explorer & Delorme Topo the refresh can be a bit slow (not much really) when I want to zoom and move around looking for things.

All in all I will never go back from a netbook setup since I also get all the benefits of having a pc with me

Thanks, thats good to hear. What kind of mounting system are you using?

[PHXtaco]

I have had no problems with a regular hard drive handling the washboard roads—though I have had 2 computers fail in the last 8 years. The first (a Dell) failed at the solder joints on the motherboard where the external power cable connected. The second one (a Quantex) failed again at the solder joints on the mother board, but this time it was where the video cable went in—I am running an in-dash monitor. Then again my lap top sits loose under the seat, so that probably had a lot to do with it. I think if you have a good mount—and make sure any cables plugged into the computer are stabilized, you should be fine.

The other http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-2c.gif (http://www.smileyvault.com/) I will add, is after having an in-dash monitor, while it is nice to have the computer out of the way, the small screen has been a pain, and now wish I had gone with a netbook.

[gahi]

good info, I hadn't thought of stabilizing the cords.

[RU55ELL]

Satellites up in sky. thumbdrive under metal roof roof. no see satellite .
Big potato.
Nuvi no see sky. nuvi no track satellite.

I LOLed in my office when I read this. :elkgrin:

[elias]

Hi John (x32792),

I recently installed a mac mini in my Jeep with a touchscreen, the same USGlobalSat "puck", and RouteBuddy software. So far, this combination is working great for me. The software has street maps with turn by turn directions, and TOPO maps for off the beaten path exploring. There is also a quick button to open google maps and google earth at the same place the current screen is set to. If you are in planning stage, you can open google earth and view the area you will be in. This way the data is cached (user defined cache size) and you won't need net connection to use google earth on your trip.

-elias


Don,

I haven't had any problem with my Nuvi tracking satellites and want to believe a puck (with or without a cord) or a thumbdrive GPS receiver in a netbook on my dash would work just as well.

John

[x32792]

Hi John (x32792),

I recently installed a mac mini in my Jeep with a touchscreen, the same USGlobalSat "puck", and RouteBuddy software. So far, this combination is working great for me. The software has street maps with turn by turn directions, and TOPO maps for off the beaten path exploring. There is also a quick button to open google maps and google earth at the same place the current screen is set to. If you are in planning stage, you can open google earth and view the area you will be in. This way the data is cached (user defined cache size) and you won't need net connection to use google earth on your trip.

-elias

http://x32792.smugmug.com/Other/x32792/usgs/967340116_NyBnP-L.jpg

Thank you Elias,

The Mac Native RouteBuddy seems to be compatible with many devices. See http://www.routebuddy.com/routebuddy/devices/index.html

"If you are in planning stage, you can open google earth and view the area you will be in. This way the data is cached (user defined cache size) and you won't need net connection to use google earth on your trip." Very good idea.

Please keep us updated about your RouteBuddy experiences...both good and bad.

John

[ert01]

I just got back from a bit of a trip and here's what I was using:

Hardware:
Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 (touchscreen, 120GB HD)
Jeniko Universal Laptop Mount
Globalsat BU353

Software:
GPSGate
Delorme Street Atlas 2009 Plus
Garmin Mapsource
Garmin Nroute
(Garmin map packs: Metroguide North America V8, US Topo 24K, and Canada Topo)

The Trip:
We went from our home up by Edmonton, Alberta all the way south to New Mexico and Arizona. We went jeeping in Colorado and Utah for the majority of the time (4 weeks, 10000km round trip).

I used Nroute and Street Atlas open at the same time using GPSGate. This allowed me to use the road and turn by turn navigation of Delorme at the same time as the offroad capabilities of the Garmin packs. All I had to do was alt-tab between the two whenever I needed it.

The Garmin software is MUCH more useful then the Delorme, but it doesn't do turn by turn navigation anymore. The software is much more intuitive to use. The Delorme software feels clunky and not very well thought out. Route editing was a lot easier with Nroute and Mapsource then it was with Delorme.



Thoughts:
I would love to try the TOPO set from Delorme. If they fix the interface and make it more intuitive, then I can see it being very useful.

The hardware setup I had worked flawlessly through the washboard roads, the dust and the heat. I would recommend this setup to ANYONE looking for a quick GPS navigation. You can buy the Toughbook for $300 on ebay all day long, the GPS puck for $40, the mount for $80. That is a sub $500 investment. The toughbook is perfect for this application! I had navigation in my Jeep and wifi when I was at a Starbucks or gassing up in the city. I also had the service manual for my Jeep on there too which came in very handy.

I have the GPS antenna on my roof and the cable is routed into my glovebox. I have a USB splitter in there. All I need to do is plug in my laptop power and the USB cable to the splitter and I'm set to go. You can buy docks on Ebay (Kodiak is the cheapest at around $50) that would make that much quicker too.

I am happy with the hardware I was using but disappointed in the software. Particularly the Delorme software. Garmin was nice, but the lack of turn by turn navigation was a bit of an annoyance.

[winkosmosis]

not sure.. if it does then thats news to me.. i used to have one of their "cheap" gps units but got rid of it awhile back when i quit traveling for work. maybe some of the nicer units will do it...

I have a Nuvi and it records the a track constantly. All you have to do is connect it to your PC with a USB cable and copy the files off it like a thumbdrive.

[LifterCatcher]

Quick question when looking at GPS software, I see that most software will run on windows XP my new netbook is running Windows7 will most XP rated software run on windows7?

Id would rather ask here then trying to contact the company what makes the software.

Thanks

Chris

[Bennyhana]

I'm running Overland Navigator on my laptop with Windows 7 and it works great.

[off-roader]

Id would rather ask here then trying to contact the company what makes the software.

Thanks

Chris

I'm in the software industry and i would rather buy from a company I feel comfortable calling when I need help... Jus sayin :Wow1::ylsmoke:

If you do contact them, try email first. It's easier for them to respond to. And track. Be sure you keep. A copy of the message though in case they don't respond and you need to turn up the heat on them to get them to reply.

That said, it should work but I'm sure there are many reasons it may not, hence my comment above.

[PHXtaco]

Running National Geographic Topo State Series in both XP and Windows 7 just fine.

[Karma]

HI All,
I have been running a laptop based navigation system in my Jeep Wrangler since 2001. It has undergone changes over the years to accommodate changes with my Jeep. One thing has remained constant. My navigation software has been Terrain Navigator (TN). Several years ago I upgraded from the standard version to the Pro version. I have also tried other popular map packages. None come close to TN. I have not tried NG Topo.

After several failed computers due to vibration, I have settled in with a Panasonic Toughbook. My GPS is a Garmin GPS III PLus, an oldie but goodie. To save wear and tear on the disc drive, I have the topo maps stored on a 64 gB thumb drive interfaced to the computer via a USB port.

TN is primarily a topo package. Other programs will do better for towns. TN uses high resolution USGS topo maps at several different scales. Maps must be purchased on a state by state basis. I have the following state sets: 1. New Mexico (my home state), 2. Colorado, 3. Utah, 4. Texas, 5. Arizona, 6. Nevada, 7. California, 8. Idaho, 9.Wyoming, 10. Montana. The state sets include every USGS 7 1/2 minute (scale 1:2400) map for the state. That is a bunch of maps. It also includes topo maps at other scales such as 1:100,000 and 1:250,000 if they are are available from the USGS. They usually are. BTW, the map displays are all raster scans at very high resolution.

The terrain shown on the map can be displayed in 2D or 3D. 3D is useful to get a realistic view of the actual topography with features elevation shown graphically. Very nice which also works well for trip planning. Usually, when moving on the trail, I use 2D.

The map sets cost real money; $299 for each state. I have been lucky to buy my sets at sale prices: $99 each. Still, that's a lot of money. One must be very happy with the TN package to make the investment. I am very happy. They are the best.

Of course, the GPS provides real time vehicle tracking which works very well. With the maps installed on disk or thumb drives, moving from one map to the next when vehicle tracking is totally seamless. In this mode, I have the GPS set to display the trip computer and the computer to display the appropriate topo map at which ever scale that best shows the route. In the back country, I always use the 1:2400 scale. On the highway it varies but usually 1:250,000 scale with vehicle tracking always displayed. The larger scale is useful due to vehicle speed as we move across the map.

TN also interfaces to Google Earth which allows a synchronized, split screen display of the topo map and the corresponding Earth graphics to be displayed. This split mode has its uses but on the trail I just display the topo map.

The package includes many useful trip planning tools including path calculations and excellent elevation features.

From reading this thread I get the impression that folks are trying to save money by buying inferior mapping packages. I think that is showing questionable judgment. The most important tool you can have in the back country is a great mapping package. Terrain Navigator is that, for sure. It is a professional tool.

Sparky

[cdm]

Im currently running streets and trips 2011, delorme 2010 and delorme topo 2008.

ST is much improved over previous versions (been a user since 2004 version) but the delorme is growing on me, primary because of voice control.


for some reason my old garmin unit (serial connection gpsV) keeps crashing applications when on gps feed. i ended up buying a stand alone gps receiver to fix that. best 28$ ever spent.

yeah standard computers just can't cut it. ive switched to motion tablets now. good stuff and take a lot less real estate, which is a premium in most vehicles

[evldave]

I think that is showing questionable judgment. The most important tool you can have in the back country is a great mapping package.

I think thinking that the most important tool you can have in the backcountry is a great mapping package is showing questionable judgement :)

Brain > Map & compass (& know how to use) > Great mapping package > crappy mapping package > nothing

[fishEH]

HI All,
I have been running a laptop based navigation system in my Jeep Wrangler since 2001. It has undergone changes over the years to accommodate changes with my Jeep. One thing has remained constant. My navigation software has been Terrain Navigator (TN). Several years ago I upgraded from the standard version to the Pro version. I have also tried other popular map packages. None come close to TN. I have not tried NG Topo.

After several failed computers due to vibration, I have settled in with a Panasonic Toughbook. My GPS is a Garmin GPS III PLus, an oldie but goodie. To save wear and tear on the disc drive, I have the topo maps stored on a 64 gB thumb drive interfaced to the computer via a USB port.

TN is primarily a topo package. Other programs will do better for towns. TN uses high resolution USGS topo maps at several different scales. Maps must be purchased on a state by state basis. I have the following state sets: 1. New Mexico (my home state), 2. Colorado, 3. Utah, 4. Texas, 5. Arizona, 6. Nevada, 7. California, 8. Idaho, 9.Wyoming, 10. Montana. The state sets include every USGS 7 1/2 minute (scale 1:2400) map for the state. That is a bunch of maps. It also includes topo maps at other scales such as 1:100,000 and 1:250,000 if they are are available from the USGS. They usually are. BTW, the map displays are all raster scans at very high resolution.

The terrain shown on the map can be displayed in 2D or 3D. 3D is useful to get a realistic view of the actual topography with features elevation shown graphically. Very nice which also works well for trip planning. Usually, when moving on the trail, I use 2D.

The map sets cost real money; $299 for each state. I have been lucky to buy my sets at sale prices: $99 each. Still, that's a lot of money. One must be very happy with the TN package to make the investment. I am very happy. They are the best.

Of course, the GPS provides real time vehicle tracking which works very well. With the maps installed on disk or thumb drives, moving from one map to the next when vehicle tracking is totally seamless. In this mode, I have the GPS set to display the trip computer and the computer to display the appropriate topo map at which ever scale that best shows the route. In the back country, I always use the 1:2400 scale. On the highway it varies but usually 1:250,000 scale with vehicle tracking always displayed. The larger scale is useful due to vehicle speed as we move across the map.

TN also interfaces to Google Earth which allows a synchronized, split screen display of the topo map and the corresponding Earth graphics to be displayed. This split mode has its uses but on the trail I just display the topo map.

The package includes many useful trip planning tools including path calculations and excellent elevation features.

From reading this thread I get the impression that folks are trying to save money by buying inferior mapping packages. I think that is showing questionable judgment. The most important tool you can have in the back country is a great mapping package. Terrain Navigator is that, for sure. It is a professional tool.

Sparky

So you've got over $1000 wrapped up in Topo maps for 10 states!!!???? Only $4000 more and you can have the whole US! Somebody slap me if I spend that much money on a mapping system that can't be used outside of my vehicle and only covers 1/5 of the US. I'll keep my Topo 9 and use the remaining $4900 to actually get out and travel.

[Karma]

HI,
Yep, you are right about the money. I ask, is that the only measure of what you purchase? But, the other side is what you get for the money. I don't like spending that much. But the mapping program and the maps are absolutely first rate. If you are doing trails in the real back country you must have good maps and good software. If you have maps, vehicle tracking is essential. For that you need a rugged computer. Ultimately, over the years, the mapping package turns into a good investment.

Look, Terrain Navigator is a professional package. I have learned over the years that the best mapping is very important and I haven't found anything that compares to Terrain Navigator. You always pay for the best. It's a cosmic law. You just gulp and pays your money.

Sparky

[HumphreyBear]

Post went crazy and jumbled - I shall retype. Humphrey

[fishbum]

I've never been impressed with TN at all, it uses the outdated USGS quads, which is missing many roads and many trails... and it cost too much. For $99 from DeLorme you can get TOPO which comes with their vector map data for all of North America as a base map, plus you can also use other map data layers like the USGS quads (as a reference), imagery and more. It seems to me that in this modern age that MapTech could come up with a better base layer than the USGS quads.

And TN isn't professional software - professional software has GIS features and uses vector base data. I upgraded to DeLorme XMap which retails for $260 and it includes the vector base data 1:24K for all of North America, not just one state. Now I can import GIS layers and georeference scanned maps, I don't think TN can do that...

[Karma]

HI,
I don't think I will change your mind but lets at least get our facts straight. TN does handle GIS data. And its maps are the most current from the USGS.

DeLorme does not compare. Have you actually used Terrain Navigator?

Sparky

[evldave]

I've seen TN but not used it myself. I've heard that it totally rocks, though! If I had it, I'd probably use it in place of my NatGeo TOPO maps (my understanding is it uses updated and higher-res USGS Quads). I'd likely still use Delorme Topo and Microsoft Mappoint (S&T), as I flip between them at various times when travelling - some work better than others for where I'm at/what I'm doing.

I'd love to get a copy to really try it out in detail, just don't have the $$.

[fishbum]

I have both, XMap is what is open most often.

[Karma]

I have both, XMap is what is open most often.

HI fish,
A couple of thoughts and questions. I'm wondering if we are using our packages the same way. First, do you have TN Pro? It's the better version though the standard version is also good. Next, how do you use your mapping packages? In my case, I have mine set up in a permanently mounted vehicle laptop connected to a GPS. It runs off an inverter. Do you use yours for real time back country navigation? I do. Can't do without it.

I also have TN Pro installed on my desk top machine. This is where I do all my trip planning and route creation which I transfer to my vehicle navigation computer via my home network.

Sparky

[fishbum]

I have TN Pro V8.51. My laptop isn't mounted, but I do place it in the seat next to me for routing on occasion in my vehicle when exploring new terrain. I'm not expedition explorer, but I do spend 5-6 weekends and maybe one long week a year searching out remote trout ponds and streams to get away from everyone else.
I have a delorme PN-60 GPS on the dash that provides a signal to XMap so I can track my current position on the map (overlaid onto the DeLorme Data, USGS quads, or color imagery) in 2D or 3D.
Delorme's vector roads are routeable, so I can create a route and get turn by turn instructions, with voice prompts (that I cant hear very well, my hearing and a laptop limitation).
Then I can also put the exact same data onto my PN-60 GPS - all the map data (imagery, delorme data, and USGS quads), and leave the truck and go into the woods on foot.
For $30 I have the delorme map pack subscription, I can download color imagery and USGS quads for the area I'm interested in to my hard disk, study the imagery and place waypoints for places I want to visit, then route to them. I taken paper maps, scanned them, and imported and georeferenced them and navigated using them as well.
As far as I can tell TNPro is mapping software. Delorme Xmap (or TOPO) is both navigation and mapping software as they support many navigation-specific features like the routable vector base data and good routing tools. By routing I mean set a start and stop point on roads or 4WD trails and XMap finds the best route along those roads based on your preferences, you can place vias to force the route wherever you want. You can also create direct routes between waypoints, which is all I've been able to figure out how to get TNPro to do (no road routing.
For $259 plus the $30 subscription I have everything I need for all of North America. Works for me anyway.

[Karma]

So you've got over $1000 wrapped up in Topo maps for 10 states!!!???? Only $4000 more and you can have the whole US! Somebody slap me if I spend that much money on a mapping system that can't be used outside of my vehicle and only covers 1/5 of the US. I'll keep my Topo 9 and use the remaining $4900 to actually get out and travel.

HI,
I'd like to reply to fishes criticism. Why would I buy maps for the whole US? Why would anybody? I'm not in the slightest interested in anything east of New Mexico, my home state. With NM as the base point, I'm only interested in states that are relatively local. This means those directly north of NM and those states I can reasonably expect to visit. That adds up to 10 states. I would have left Texas off the list because east and central Texas (I used to live there) have nothing of interest. But west Texas is of some interest and is adjacent to NM and it is easy to get to.

California is a major interest but is not local. I was raised in Calif and did a lot of wheeling there in the 1960's before moving to Texas. And I have family there. So, there is a distinct possibility that a trip to Calif is in my future. So, Calif makes sense. Oregon and Washington are of no interest.

So, the map sets I have cover the US west of Texas (and including Texas) and north to the Canadian border except Oregon and Washington. These are the states of interest to me. The rest of the US? Well, I see only mud, not my favorite kind of wheeling.

I see no reason to not have maps for my areas of interest.

Sparky

[LaOutbackTrail]

Hi Guys,

I'm wondering if someone can point me in the right direction. I am wanting to setup a laptop in my truck for navigation. I have previously used my GPS (Garmin V) as the receiver and navigated directly from the laptop. I like the large display provided by the laptop. I am looking to have a more modern setup that I can use my Garmin Mapsource plus E32 mapset of Mexico. I'm assuming the GPS pucks will work for this, but will they cooperate with the Garmin software? I'm not opposed to getting a different program either. I would also like to use google earth satellite images too. Often times, in the places I travel, there may be a trail or road that is not on the map but perfectly visible in GE.

How are you guys setup?

[ducksface]

I have a bluetooth wireless puck, a globalsat bt [I think it's a 359]. It is one less cable for me to have to mess with and lives on my dash happily plugged into a usb port for power. No problems so far. I have a 12.1 inch touch screen monitor that I use and the laptop actually lives under the seat out of the way. The mouse on the touch screen took a bit to get used to.

All of that now lives in my ‘I should really sell this’ drawer.


I have since upgraded/regraded a bit.
I now use my droid for what I need. It allows you to download GE maps and store them in your phone along with the standard map over lays. If you don’t have a cell connection the GE maps are still in there for you to use. Many sources and formats are available for download.


Consider a droid with

My tracks
My trails
Back Country Navigator

[LaOutbackTrail]

Hmm... I have an android based Motorola Blur, which is water resistant and shockproof... I call it "Scott Proof"

An issue that I have had with the phone is poor cell coverage to update maps... therefore I have never considered using it for nav.

I will look into the programs you listed. The only concern is that I would much prefer a larger screen for navigation.