EarthRoamer XV-LTS (S for Stretch)

[john278516]

...just ran across this on the EarthRoamer web site ( www.earthroamer.com )

http://www.earthroamer.com/jpg/xvlts.jpg

EarthRoamer is pleased to announce the EarthRoamer XV-LTS, our newest addition to the EarthRoamer family. The EarthRoamer XV-LTS is a "stretch" version of our F-550 based EarthRoamer XV-LT - the world's best selling self-contained luxury expedition vehicle. For adventurers that require more space or who are traveling with up to 5 or 6 people, the EarthRoamer XV-LTS was built for you.

The EarthRoamer XV-LTS is built on the new 2011 6.7 liter Power Stroke Turbo Diesel (735 lb-ft torque and 390 hp!) powered Ford F-550 chassis with an 84 inch cab to axle and GVWR of 19,500 pounds. This chassis is 24 inches longer than our XV-LT model which increases primary camper living space by a whopping 25% and interior storage space by up to 45%. The extra length enables us to offer new interior layout options including booth seating and sleeping for 6, or a dry bath with a separate toilet and shower. Battery capacity can be increased up to 36.7 kilowatt hours and solar capacity can be increased up to 680 watts. If you need more power we can install a compact 3.2 kilowatt Fischer Panda AGT 4000 marine generator. Fresh water capacity up to 117 gallons is available, and 13 gallons of 100 degree hot water is standard.

The EarthRoamer XV-LTS body features a seamless, one piece molded monocoque design that is strong and lightweight. This is the same construction that is used on many luxury yachts as well as our patented EarthRoamer XV-LT bodies. Yes, it is challenging and expensive to manufacture a one piece molded composite body, but with no seams to leak and no glued together flat panels to come apart, EarthRoamer bodies are designed to last for your lifetime and beyond. In addition to being aesthetically pleasing, the generously radiused corners of EarthRoamer bodies dramatically reduce the impact of heavy cross winds when compared to inexpensive flat panel construction.

EarthRoamer bodies also have excellent acoustic and thermal insulation properties. With no steel or aluminum reinforcement required, EarthRoamer bodies have no thermal conduction paths which enable effective heating and cooling with smaller and more energy efficient heaters and air conditioners. One EarthRoamer XV-LT owner trains winter special ops forces and this is what he had to say about the cold weather performance of his XV-LT:

"The ER is great and the cold weather improvements you made have worked out perfectly to -28F (ambient) nights (didn't even know it was that cold until I went outside) and 70+ mph winds: The vehicle is rock solid on deep snowy roads plowing through 12" of maritime snowpack. I have trained 5 SOF platoons since January and also do quite a bit of family winter trips: the vehicle has been a real boon in setting up a secure HQ in the boonies."
T.W., EarthRoamer XV-LT owner
The new 2011 EarthRoamer XV-LT and XV-LTS both offer new standard features including 90 gallon fuel capacity, 8.1 cubic foot stainless fridge/freezer, 12,000 btu air conditioner, 3,000 watt inverter, 125 amp charger and King off-road shocks. We are also offering exciting new options on the 2011 models including Bose surround sound, HD Satellite TV and ultrathin 32 inch LED HDTVs.

With over 100 EarthRoamer Xpedition Vehicles on the road, we are confident that we build the highest quality and most refined design of any expedition vehicle manufacturer. With our new "stretched" XV-LT, we can now meet the needs of adventurers needing more space. Whether you are traveling with the whole family or just want more interior space and luxury, EarthRoamer builds an expedition vehicle that is sized to meet your unique requirements.

John W.

[dzzz]

http://www.earthroamer.com/jpg/xvlts_big.jpg

[RVR2RSQ]

Less useful for off roading, but increased capacity.

I can't wait to see what the interior layout options look like.

[haven]

Nice to see that Earthroamer is building vehicles again.
The longer wheelbase must add seating and dining space
for four or five.

I think the image is a photoshop stretch of the original XV-LT,
rather than a photo of an actual vehicle.

[Trey1940]

I think the image is a photoshop stretch of the original XV-LT,
rather than a photo of an actual vehicle.

I don't know, the chassis is a 2011 model year, and it'd be hard to replicate the glare in the window for one photo...

Do i see a side-by-side refrigerator? :drool:

[Dale]

Great to see they are still in the game. I would like to see a shortened XV-LT too, most of my traveling is in the NE where it is densly wooded and moist. Gives me something to day dream about.

[ersatzknarf]

Yes, hopefully some folks will stay employed and things will improve on various levels.

A shortened one, too. That's a very interesting idea !

"Something to day dream about" - agreed :)

Maybe they will eventually come up with something in addition to the XV-JP, too ?

How about a one-piece "box" in a size that could be adapted to a variety of vehicles ?


Great to see they are still in the game. I would like to see a shortened XV-LT too, most of my traveling is in the NE where it is densly wooded and moist. Gives me something to day dream about.


Yes, that's the trade-off, I guess. This one will be more expensive, apparently, if I read the OP correctly... From looking at the GXV site and their new Freightliner based camper and its base price noted, it seems like this stretched one and the big one from GXV might be competition for each other ?

I am very interested to see the new interior layout options, too.


Less useful for off roading, but increased capacity.

I can't wait to see what the interior layout options look like.

[ujoint]

That looks NICE.

So what's the deal with ER? I thought Bill started another company? Did someone take ER over? I need info so I can continue to dream..... :)

[Jnich77]

wonder if anybody wants to trade a jumping jack for one...lol

[haven]

The new model with more floor space would make a good vehicle for
an on-scene command post for police, fire and hazmat departments.

I think the photo is manipulated because the scenery next to the
vehicle is out of focus. If you look carefully at the truck frame
below the camper side window, you can see where a light streak appears
to be duplicated. I also think the reflection in the window doesn't look
quite right.

In any case, the photo shows what the stretched vehicle will look like,
and that's the important thing.

[dzzz]

I suppose that will be on the 19,500 GVWR chassis. Looking at the fuel and water specs it seems it would need to go up from the 17XXX GVWR. The 2011 Superduty has some nice offroad engine/transmission modes that should benefit the ER.
I don't believe the 2011 F550 cab/chassis is even available yet.

[The Adam Blaster]

I suppose that will be on the 19,500 GVWR chassis. .

It says that in the 2nd paragraph.
They may just be putting out the specs based on what Ford's specs are.


I like it, I want basically the equivalent sized vehicle for a family adventure rig. I doubt I could ever afford a new one though! lol

[charlieaarons]

36.7 kwh?
That's TWELVE 8D batteries! Over 1900 lbs.
The two that the ER has now at 255A-hr each, at 12.0V, hold ~6 kwh.
Even the largest Unicats only carry six 8Ds.

Charlie

[skysix]

perhaps he's using some of the new lithium batteries from electric cars etc. Probably a lot better power density but $$$$$

[Ford Prefect]

It will certainly limit the offroadability of the vehicle somewhat, but it sure would provide some much needed space inside the vehicle.

I like the ER a lot, but they are a touch small.

Bunk beds on one side would sure be nice! (yeah well, so sue me I have kids!) :D

[jpzeroday@hotmail.com]

Bill--Floor plan, please! Even if it's still a work in progress.

JP

[dzzz]

36.7 kwh?
That's TWELVE 8D batteries! Over 1900 lbs.
The two that the ER has now at 255A-hr each, at 12.0V, hold ~6 kwh.
Even the largest Unicats only carry six 8Ds.

Charlie

Telsa roadster stores 53 kWh. That pack would likely be in an acceptable size/weight range for the ER.

[Bob599]

Yeah floor plan. I need to update my bedside material! +1 on bunk beds on one side.

Yeah kids too........

[Trey1940]

Less useful for off roading, but increased capacity.


The only really limiting thing is the turning radius, IMO.. with the MPT81s and the suspension all the way up the breakover doesn't look like it'd be too far off the 37" tires stock..


I would like to see a shortened XV-LT too

Could be based off the 6 3/4' bed Super Duty 350/450.. Crew Cab would be 158" and Supercab would be 142".. :smiley_drive:

[The Adam Blaster]

+2 for bunk beds.

[Dale]

When I was thinking of a smaller XV-LT I was comparing to Bill Swail's 2nd Dodge Ram
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y304/Multi-Use_Ramcharger/OriginalEarthroamer.jpg
Maybe a 8' noncabover camper would fill a niche market, something that could mount to any 1 ton chasis through minor alterations. In my area its pretty moist so anything with a soft top is going to smell of mildew after a while and all the used Alaskans for sale in the area are rotted. Just wishing:drool:

[skysix]

The only really limiting thing is the turning radius, IMO.. with the MPT81s and the suspension all the way up the breakover doesn't look like it'd be too far off the 37" tires stock...

Sounds ripe for a rear steer application - easier if designed in at the start. Build with a lockout so switches inactive unless in 1st or reverse and a positive electrically actuated centering and locking system on the tierods to fix them at dead center for the other gears.

[skysix]

all the used Alaskans for sale in the area are rotted

Personally I think that Bill Wheat et al should resurrect the ALCAN brand (Fiberglas foam sandwich walls IIRC) and design an expo version for the 350/450 4x4 flatbed/ute tray market ..

[The Adam Blaster]

Personally I think that Bill Wheat et al should resurrect the ALCAN brand (Fiberglas foam sandwich walls IIRC) and design an expo version for the 350/450 4x4 flatbed/ute tray market ..

That's pretty much what Marc Wassman has done with his XPCamper, and he even includes the flatbed part. ;)

[Trey1940]

Sounds ripe for a rear steer application - easier if designed in at the start. Build with a lockout so switches inactive unless in 1st or reverse and a positive electrically actuated centering and locking system on the tierods to fix them at dead center for the other gears.

I had to read that a couple times to understand, but i think i get it..

What about if the truck were in 1st and turning slightly (such as in an intersection) and it went into second? would the rear wheels default to straight? Also, maybe an on/off switch and a manual control system for side-tracking..

[Offtrack]

Wow. Very nice. Happy to see them get turned around and looking forward.
Might just have to visit Earthroamer some day. Been thinking of the HOST as it has more room...now the game plan just changed a little. :drool::drool: I just need to solve one small issue...$$$.

[The Adam Blaster]

I had to read that a couple times to understand, but i think i get it..

What about if the truck were in 1st and turning slightly (such as in an intersection) and it went into second? would the rear wheels default to straight? Also, maybe an on/off switch and a manual control system for side-tracking..

I know there are rear-steer systems in monster trucks and other offroad applications, they are usually designed to self-center after you let go of the control stick.
Of course, there's a reason they are usually designated as "not for highway use" - watch a monster truck show and see how often the rear steer system break.

Of course, GM had some sort of rear steer on their pickups and some SUV's for a while, not sure how long... But the rear was more like "assistive" than a true steering axle from what I remember, the wheels didn't have the level of movement as the fronts.

[zigsrig]

I stumbled upon the new ER office yesterday while i was at one of their neighbors who has customized a few toys for me.

Glad to see them back up and running!

That office park is a gear head's dream!

[The Adam Blaster]

Might just have to visit Earthroamer some day. Been thinking of the HOST as it has more room...now the game plan just changed a little. :drool::drool:

I haven't heard of this HOST company/unit, can you elaborate or provide a link?

[Trey1940]

Of course, GM had some sort of rear steer on their pickups and some SUV's for a while, not sure how long... But the rear was more like "assistive" than a true steering axle from what I remember, the wheels didn't have the level of movement as the fronts.

I think that'd be perfect for the XV-LTS, maybe something between 15-25 degrees just to compensate for the extra 2' wheelbase.. Did the GM steering have an enable/disable switch?

[skysix]

That's pretty much what Marc Wassman has done with his XPCamper, and he even includes the flatbed part. ;)

Very nice camper - unfortunately it is not a hard sided popup like the Alaskan and Alcan - the bed area is fabric. At the temps I routinely would use it in (below -20) too much heat would be lost

[The Adam Blaster]

He has panels for the sides, and I think Marc said the walls were 1.5" thick so they should withstand pretty cold temps.
Through emails with Marc, he is confident in the structure to retain the heat, and he's got a pretty cool diesel heater as well.

Just email Marc yourself, he usually answered me within a day or 2.
That way you can get the real answers right from the guy that designed the camper, not a random internet dude. (Me)
:D

[Lynn]

I haven't heard of this HOST company/unit, can you elaborate or provide a link?

http://www.hostcampers.com/. They used to push a 4x4 line of Class C campers, but they aren't as evident on their site any more. However, if you go to their Super C 270 spec sheet (http://www.hostcampers.com/subs/motorcoaches/motor_equip_270.html), they list 'Ford OEM 4-wheel drive' as a 'Popular Option'.

Due to the size of their motor homes, I think the only person that the 4x4 option might appeal to is the ski bum who wants to have an extra sense of security when they hit snow on the highway. That's what I would want one for. And pull a small 4x4 behind to use off road.

Also, from the little I know about motor home slide-outs, I don't think I would want to take one on anything worse than a gravel road.

[The Adam Blaster]

Also, from the little I know about motor home slide-outs, I don't think I would want to take one on anything worse than a gravel road.

Thanks for the link.

I have heard that both the slide-outs and pop-outs on smaller trailers tend to be a great source where a leak can occur.
I'd be really hesistant to lay money down on a unit that had either one of those features. It's too bad because they are a great idea of saving weight and length on a travel trailer, and still retaining a good size of living space inside.

[john278516]

36.7 kwh?
That's TWELVE 8D batteries! Over 1900 lbs.
The two that the ER has now at 255A-hr each, at 12.0V, hold ~6 kwh.
Even the largest Unicats only carry six 8Ds.

Charlie

Their web site now says 18.3 kwh - looks like it must have been a typo.

John

[Lynn]

I haven't heard of this HOST company/unit, can you elaborate or provide a link?

Just noticed one of their larger models is on eBay right now:

Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-HOST-330-Super-C-Diesel-4x4-Quad-Slide-/260636106052?cmd=ViewItem&pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item3caf1f5d44)

Who say's we can't get a diesel 4x4 camper in the US? :)

[mobilguy66]

Lynn, I own a Host 300 (2009/30') and love it. Very high quality units. I live PA. and have yet to see another on the east coast. Been from Maine to Florida with it so far. They are perfect for what your needs are. Used the 4 wheel one time to get out of the fields at Pocono Raceway where everybody was pulled or towed out. The only thing bad is the people who swarm the truck where ever we go. If ever interested be sure you get the insulated window package and the heated water/greg/black tanks to use in the winter. I believe they are on a order only basis. Dave the owner is a nice guy. Paul

[dzzz]

Just noticed one of their larger models is on eBay right now:

Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-HOST-330-Super-C-Diesel-4x4-Quad-Slide-/260636106052?cmd=ViewItem&pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item3caf1f5d44)

Who say's we can't get a diesel 4x4 camper in the US? :)


Once the truck no longer has the clearances to take it anywhere resembling off-road does it matter if it's built on a pickup cab/chassis? It seems to me that chopping up the interior space without offering the benefits of a true truck can't have the benefit of either a offroad vehicle or an RV.

The linked camper would have at least a factory 200" wheelbase. That's a 16' 6" wheelbase. To get even somewhat close to off road specs the rear would need to be chopped off a couple feet and 5' tires would need to be added. At that point the truck is close to maximum legal height and pretty much a freak show. Then there's the dual rear wheels.

The dry weight is 17,300. The maximum GVWR I've seen on an F550 chassis is 19,500. It will likely be run at 22-23K lbs. Which actually isn't horrible as it can't be driven anywhere rough anyways.

Everyone here who has worked at designing offroad campers over 20 feet knows that the math gets inconvenient quickly. It may look somewhat like a duck and quack somewhat like a duck but it's still an RV if it doesn't have the right numbers. Every design is a cost/benefit analysis and I see no evidence that a pickup based super C offers any advantage over other base vehicle choices.

The proffered ER LT Stretch looks to be limit of a design that can still be called off road capable. But it's also presumably over $300K and has a lot of tire and suspension work.

My primary reason for abandoning the F550 as a base vehicle and going with a class 7 unimog was to avoid being at the extreme end of a base vehicles capability. Stuff breaks more at the limits. Building up a truck to it's max is expensive. I would still love to own a 2011 Ford with the new diesel but only in a design that makes sense.

[bajajoaquin]

...avoid being at the extreme end of a base vehicles capability. Stuff breaks more at the limits. Building up a truck to it's max is expensive...

Werd.

[RR1]

Just noticed one of their larger models is on eBay right now:

Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-HOST-330-Super-C-Diesel-4x4-Quad-Slide-/260636106052?cmd=ViewItem&pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item3caf1f5d44)

Who say's we can't get a diesel 4x4 camper in the US? :)


Seriously!? You can't take that thing most places, I know some paved roads that thing couldn't go on.

Max camper for a F550 chassis is the Turtle V, or a popup camper version of this brush truck.

http://www.gfebrushtrucks.com/

I wouldn't want anything bigger, the EarthRoamer is a bit big & tall for my taste. I would destroy it going the places I like to go. What is it with bloated American vehicles?

[haven]

Different strokes. You'll have a hard time fitting a family of four
or a SWAT communications center into the Turtle V. The attraction
of the stretched Earthroamer is when you need space for more
people and/or stuff.

[1leglance]

I wouldn't want anything bigger, the EarthRoamer is a bit big & tall for my taste. I would destroy it going the places I like to go. What is it with bloated American vehicles?

Bloated American vehicles...
you need to look at the thread from the German Allrad show, or any of the threads that show the Unicat UniMog Mann Tata rigs that are built in Europe for Africa.
Those are way bigger than an Earthroamer.

Having traveled Baja with an Earthroamer in my group and watching them go pretty much everywhere I went in the Sportsmobile I am very impressed by the rigs.
Sure low hanging branches and building overhangs might be an issue but the person who pays for it learns such things.

This idea that something that isn't right for YOU just isn't right at all is messed up.
Personally I doubt I will ever ride a bike as a long distance camper, but I love the fact that there are people that do, that there is an industry to support them and places to ride. And who knows maybe there will be some gear or knowledge drift that will help me out...like the Continental Divide Route..started as a hiking trail, then biked, then moto's and then I got to 4wd from Canada to Mexico..nice!

This idea of raising yourself up by tearing others down is childish. If you don't like something fine, if it isn't for you fine..you are within your domain to say so. But to say it can't "offroad" or "bloated Ameican vehicles" just isn't cool.

There isn't one perfect standard, thank the Lord, there are buggies, and class A RV's and everything in between...to each his own and good on anyone who can make a living helping folks enjoy the outdoors.

[RR1]

This idea of raising yourself up by tearing others down is childish. If you don't like something fine, if it isn't for you fine..you are within your domain to say so. But to say it can't "offroad" or "bloated Ameican vehicles" just isn't cool.

There isn't one perfect standard, thank the Lord, there are buggies, and class A RV's and everything in between...to each his own and good on anyone who can make a living helping folks enjoy the outdoors.

No need to get all sensitive mate, it was sarcasm.:ylsmoke:

No need to bring a fictitious character into this either.

[RR1]

Different strokes. You'll have a hard time fitting a family of four
or a SWAT communications center into the Turtle V. The attraction
of the stretched Earthroamer is when you need space for more
people and/or stuff.


I think you're missing my point a bit. Or I didn't explain my thoughts well enough, (typical me)

Putting that much weight on a F550 Chassis, is pushing the vehicle's design limits, it is shortening the lifespan of the vehicle.
Why not do it right and go with a F650 or larger, Mog, Hemtt chassis? dzzz understands.

[1leglance]

I think you're missing my point a bit. Or I didn't explain my thoughts well enough, (typical me)

Putting that much weight on a F550 Chassis, is pushing the vehicle's design limits, it is shortening the lifespan of the vehicle.
Why not do it right and go with a F650 or larger, Mog, Hemtt chassis? dzzz understands.

This part I agree with completely...our builds often push the limits of the designs and shorten the live of the rig.
Ahh the balance of what I want to take vs what I need to take vs what I can take :)

Point well made RR.

[alaskaboy]

Please explain..


"No need to bring a fictitious character into this either. "

[RR1]

Please explain..


"No need to bring a fictitious character into this either. "


Do I really need to explain that? Religion/politics has no place on the Expo. (At least that is what I am told)


It was more sarcasm BTW...

[RR1]

This part I agree with completely...our builds often push the limits of the designs and shorten the live of the rig.
Ahh the balance of what I want to take vs what I need to take vs what I can take :)

Point well made RR.

Note: Sorry if I come off abrasive, maybe I worked in construction too long.:ylsmoke:

Bingo! The size of the Turtle V is perfect for a 550 chassis. Anything larger than that should be installed on a heavier more capable chassis. Jay Shapiro (family of 4?) got it right with the EcoRoamer. I see that as a very capable SWAT command center.

I see a popup camper version of this. Perfect size IMO for the 450/550 Ford chassis.

http://www.gfebrushtrucks.com/img/media/brush-truck-13.jpg

[boblynch]

Different strokes. You'll have a hard time fitting a family of four
or a SWAT communications center into the Turtle V. The attraction
of the stretched Earthroamer is when you need space for more
people and/or stuff.

The TurtleV and standard length ER are great options for 2, but would be snug for 4+. I like the idea of an extended floorplan ER. I'm not sure about the longer wheelbase, but for some it could be a reasonable compromise.

In my case I opted for maximum storage space on the 60 cab to axle. We certainly can't go to some of the places that a Mog (or regular cab F550 with Alaskan popup) can. However, it gets our gear far enough down unimproved roads safely to serve our needs. After that mountain bikes, inflatable kayaks, or hiking boots are our vehicles of choice. When we get back to camp we have all the comforts of home.

45809

[Bill@EarthRoamer.com]

Bill--Floor plan, please! Even if it's still a work in progress. JP

http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/sneakpeak/index.htm

These are preliminary layouts subject to change, but the first XV-LTS floor plan features longer seats, booth seats that convert to a queen size bed (instead of the twin on the XV-LT), optional upper fold-away bunk bed on the passenger side and storage under both camper seats that is accessible from the inside or outside of the vehicle.


The second layout features a dry bath (shower separate from toilet) and larger galley. Once again, there is storage under both camper seats that is accessible from the inside or outside of the vehicle.

Options available on the XV-LT are also available on the XV-LTS


Bunk beds on one side would sure be nice! (yeah well, so sue me I have kids!) :D

I’m really excited about our “hide-away” bunk bed design. I’ll post a link once the design is finalized.


I would like to see a shortened XV-LT too, most of my traveling is in the NE where it is densly wooded and moist..

We are currently working on a design for 3/4 ton (250/2500) and 1 ton (350/3500) based expedition vehicles. This is an incredibly innovative design that we believe will revolutionize this segment of the market. We plan to offer this for Ford, GM and Dodge trucks.

There has been a fair amount of discussion about the capacity of Ford F-550 trucks. I wholeheartedly agree that expedition vehicles should be designed and built within the gross vehicle weight ratings (GVWR) of the base vehicle manufacturer. It is somewhat of a dirty little secret in the RV industry that many RV’s exceed the manufacturers GVWR even before filling the water and fuel tanks, let alone adding gear. I saw an F-550 based RV at an RV show that actually had a label that showed an empty weight that was greater than the GVWR of the F-550 base truck. One way manufacturers get around this is by not including “dealer installed options” – things like refrigerators, heaters, extra batteries etc. – even though these items are always installed at the factory.

Our new XV-LT’s (GVWR of 19,500 lbs.) come in at roughly 15,000-16,000 lbs. (depending on options) with full fuel and water tanks. That means that after you have filled up with 90 gallons of fuel and 85 gallons you still have over 3,500 pounds of cargo carrying capacity. The XV-LTS will weigh aproximately 500 pounds more. All of the mechanical components hold up better and last longer when you run significantly under the GVWR of your vehicle.

Bill Swails
President and CEO
EarthRoamer

[boblynch]

Bill, best of luck with the new floorplans and designs. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

[ersatzknarf]

I think my wife would be very pleased by a dry bath :sombrero:



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The second layout features a dry bath (shower separate from toilet) and larger galley. Once again, there is storage under both camper seats that is accessible from the inside or outside of the vehicle.
<snip>


This sounds like very exciting news ! Very much looking forward to hearing more ! ! ! :coffeedrink:



<snip>
We are currently working on a design for 3/4 ton (250/2500) and 1 ton (350/3500) based expedition vehicles. This is an incredibly innovative design that we believe will revolutionize this segment of the market. We plan to offer this for Ford, GM and Dodge trucks.
<snip>

[DKB2GO]

http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/sneakpeak/index.htm

We are currently working on a design for 3/4 ton (250/2500) and 1 ton (350/3500) based expedition vehicles. This is an incredibly innovative design that we believe will revolutionize this segment of the market. We plan to offer this for Ford, GM and Dodge trucks.



Bill,

Have been reading the forum and researching vehicle options for while. Very interested in the XV-LT. At the same time, I'm curious to see the rollout of this new design you suggested. When might you be revealing that to us? As an alternative to the XV-LT, I really like the idea of something between the XV-LT and the XV-JP.

Cheers,

David

[Lynn]

Sorry for the slow response. I hadn't visited this thread in a while, but I have to reply:



Just noticed one of their larger models is on eBay right now:

<dead link to mondo 4x4 class C motorhome>

Who say's we can't get a diesel 4x4 camper in the US? :)

Seriously!? You can't take that thing most places...

No, not seriously. Thus the similey :) :)

[goin camping]

http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/sneakpeak/index.htm

We are currently working on a design for 3/4 ton (250/2500) and 1 ton (350/3500) based expedition vehicles. This is an incredibly innovative design that we believe will revolutionize this segment of the market. We plan to offer this for Ford, GM and Dodge trucks.


Bill Swails
President and CEO
EarthRoamer

Hi Bill,

Since your here I thought I'd tell you about my dream Earthroamer.

It's pretty close to the Dodge Earthroamer in post #21. The body of the camper is short and there is storage on the back and around the bottom. I'd extend the cabover bed because a big bed is a comfy bed.

Thanks

[expeditionvan]

Bill wrote:

"We are currently working on a design for 3/4 ton (250/2500) and 1 ton (350/3500) based expedition vehicles. This is an incredibly innovative design that we believe will revolutionize this segment of the market. We plan to offer this for Ford, GM and Dodge trucks."

Any news or update on an ER based on these platforms?

[Omar/3.9.3]

I hope it comes with gasoline engine .
Because my country doesn't has ULSD . So I think F350 Gas engine would be nice or Sierra Denali 3500 :victory:

another thing that we need is more innovative technology with the new floorplans , more Comfortable and luxurius.

We Are Waiting :coffee:

[Trey1940]

The Ford F-350 is available with a 6.2L V8 gas engine, and the F-550 (XV-LTS) is available with a 6.8L V10 only when ordered in the "XL" or "XLT" trim (most EarthRoamer vehicles are Lariat trim, IIRC)

[charlieaarons]

For anybody's information one can get "high sulfur" Ford diesel trucks. At least one could up to 2010 model year.

Charlie

[Omar/3.9.3]

Glad to hear this . I'm very surprised :wings:

High Sulfur engine isn't nice, because the technology of high sulfur is bad ! .
The new diesel engie from Ford comes with a lot of features include Porsche technology however I think Earth Roamer is good but still need a little bit of comfort ! I feel that something missing for the complete camping vehicle.

Im now waiting for an Epedition Vehicle that can depend on its self without a home ! maybe Earth Roamer should provide Epedtion trailer hauled by XV-LT and comes with a Carage for one car, storage places ,Fuel&Water tanks, bathroom with a shower...etc .

XV-LT and XV-LTS comes with 12,500lbs capability hitch ! wonder what if they design a trailer with it :) .

It will reduce the off-road ability , but will stand in long time journeys .

Thanks for Helping guys .

[Bob599]

Bill any sneak peaks of the smaller 3/4 and 1 ton versions?

[2wheelbob]

Yeah, what Bob599 said!

:ylsmoke:

[Hannah-Brown]

It says that in the 2nd paragraph.
They may just be putting out the specs based on what Ford's specs are.


I like it, I want basically the equivalent sized vehicle for a family adventure rig. I doubt I could ever afford a new one though! lol
I bet they will be expense and size will limit it's ability to travel old mining roads in the Rockies. I love my 2005 supercab and it's ability to go everywhere. Kind of like a ATV that you can live on in the mountains for 6 months.

[DKB2GO]

Im now waiting for an Epedition Vehicle that can depend on its self without a home ! maybe Earth Roamer should provide Epedtion trailer hauled by XV-LT and comes with a Carage for one car, storage places ,Fuel&Water tanks, bathroom with a shower...etc .

XV-LT and XV-LTS comes with 12,500lbs capability hitch ! wonder what if they design a trailer with it :) .

It will reduce the off-road ability , but will stand in long time journeys.


An Earthroamer base camp? Interesting idea that would allow users to enjoy the Earthroamer comforts and craftsmanship yet retain the flexibility of taste and preference in a tow vehicle. Maximog affords one example of how this can be done; albeit on a budget far more than grand than most have available.

[TomH]

until the XV-LTS or any of the smaller XVs are available? Are they in production yet or still in the design stage? Provan is finalizing its design of the new Siberian Tiger and will soon build the prototype. This vehicle will be a direct competitor to the XV-LTS, but at less than half the price.

[cwsqbm]

until the XV-LTS or any of the smaller XVs are available? Are they in production yet or still in the design stage? Provan is finalizing its design of the new Siberian Tiger and will soon build the prototype. This vehicle will be a direct competitor to the XV-LTS, but at less than half the price.

From other's reports, an XV-LTS has been built. I've heard nothing of this new Provan you mention, so I can't accurately comment, but the term "direct competitor" is frequently overused, like when Chevy compares a Malibu to a new BMW and claims superiority in some numeric way.

[jronwood]

I spotted an ER a few years ago about a mile from home , AWSOME. I had never seen or heard of one previously. I am a F-550 owner twice over and currently have one 550 4x4 v10 (previous was 7.3) and a 350 CC 4x4 7.3 flatbed. The 550 is a great platform for an adventure vehicle.

Look forward to checking them out.

[expeditionvan]

Any updates on the 3/4 - 1 ton versions?

[trailsurfer]

About 2 weeks from the first one being completed. Interior build out is almost complete. I will be at the factory in the next 2 weeks and will post photos.

[howell_jd]

Having been at ER last week I can assure you there is some ENERGY at EarthRoamer! Positive and upbeat, the crew is motivated and enthusiastic. The excitement of a new model in production is contagious too - like a kid in a candy store, I found it difficult to resist the lure of the variety in breadth and depth of continued "sweets" from engineering and mechanical developments.

I have been described as a "fan-boy" of ER before to be certain - and in full disclosure I do own an ER too - but I can not say enough good things about the PEOPLE who really are ER. It is easy to have a customer-manufacturer relationship defined by cost of materials and labor for ordinary (or not-so-ordinary) maintenance (both preventative and for repair/replacement) of components and parts that are "stressed" by their usage in demanding off-highway, off-track, off-trail exploration and adventure. Development of a genuine personal relationship with the PEOPLE at ER has been one of the best experiences for me. I am made genuinely happy to see Bill and the many great Americans he employs because they have optimism and energy to both live right as equally as work hard. Bill's vision-made-reality is not the truck or Jeep or stretch or next-thing-on-the-drawing-board in my opinion; it is the close and personal relationship he has with his "build team" other ER owners in general and my family in particular.

ER certainly is a professional company with people of character. It is the intangible personal relationship though between the "build team" members (and I would like to think to some extent with myself although perhaps not as poignantly) that really makes me comfortable with ER as a company. From the care and attention to electrical wiring looms, to the demanding tolerance in testing fittings/fixtures/components, to the pride in delivery on-time of a sparklingly clean ER jewel, the "build team" are artisans as much as craftsmen. It is a pleasure to watch them in action striving to get things "just right" every time. Even so, each and every one of these great folks took time to say hello and shake my hand and share a story (or two...I've been known to be gregarious at times...). Seeing the XV-LTS take shape over the course of a week was time-lapse photography in action without the need to speed up the film - what ENERGY as I said! Just as important, the attention to safety and proper fit-and-finish (neatness counts even where you can't see it) is apparent. Truly remarkable too is the synchronization between the crew members who know where to be with each element along the build path.

As with others, I can hardly wait to see the finished version of the new XV-LTS...also hope to see it on the road and in action too!

Congratulations - and thanks ER! You are great friends.

Your friend,
Jonathan

P.S. Despite this sounding like a paid announcement, I actually owe money to ER at the moment...er..."The check is in the mail!" Ha ha...no, really...

[BeatMarti]

I could not agree more with Jonathan!

I own my second ER #105 (used to own #65) and I am VERY happy with it. The new Ford truck chassis is everything I hoped it would be and all the many year experience in building ERs and continuous improvements make #105 fulfill all my wishes!

When it comes to needing help anything from just information to actual repair or maintenance the ER team is always very helpful, friendly and competent!

And no - this is also not a paid advertisement....:)

[camperman]

Earthromer XV LTS alredy finished :ylsmoke: You can see gallery following this link http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/107/index.htm

[kjp1969]

Earthromer XV LTS alredy finished :ylsmoke: You can see gallery following this link http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/107/index.htm

Wow, and if you thought the original size was big. . .

[trailsurfer]

I was in the LTS on Monday and it is fantastic. The additional space is very nice and it makes a significant difference from the standard LT.

[Dale]

Beautiful Rig, still smaller than a pusher and a lot more off tarmack capable. Well Done!!

[Bill@EarthRoamer.com]

I took a few snapshots of our most recent XV-LTS build last night, here they are...http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/XV-LTS%20Interior/img_0463_0570306716_std.jpg


The complete photo gallery is available here:http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/XV-LTS%20Interior/
This is our first EarthRoamer to break the 1 kilowatt solar barrier - yes, this rig has 1,100 watts of solar power! We've already seen over 70 amps of solar power charging the 12.2 kilowatt/hour battery bank. This is also our first build with 130 gallons of fresh water capacity.

The XV-LTS is proving to be very popular with over half of our order backlog being the XV-LTS model. Stay tuned, in the next couple of weeks we will be announcing a couple of more new EarthRoamers...

[camperman]

I took a few snapshots of our most recent XV-LTS build last night, here they are...http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/XV-LTS%20Interior/img_0463_0570306716_std.jpg


The complete photo gallery is available here:http://www.earthroamer.com/galleries/XV-LTS%20Interior/
This is our first EarthRoamer to break the 1 kilowatt solar barrier - yes, this rig has 1,100 watts of solar power! We've already seen over 70 amps of solar power charging the 12.2 kilowatt/hour battery bank. This is also our first build with 130 gallons of fresh water capacity.

The XV-LTS is proving to be very popular with over half of our order backlog being the XV-LTS model. Stay tuned, in the next couple of weeks we will be announcing a couple of more new EarthRoamers...

It's amazing 1100 watts of solar power! 130 galons fresh water supply! this is more than I expected. Earthroamer crew you build amazing vehicles :victory: And what is now the full weight?

[shellb]

Stay tuned, in the next couple of weeks we will be announcing a couple of more new EarthRoamers...

Here is to hoping that it is the earlier mentioned 3/4 / 1 ton version! :smiley_drive:

[Bill@EarthRoamer.com]

It's amazing 1100 watts of solar power! 130 galons fresh water supply! this is more than I expected. Earthroamer crew you build amazing vehicles :victory: And what is now the full weight?

Camperman, that is a very intelligent question and one that every RV or XV purchaser should ask. Too many manufacturers refuse to publish actual finished vehicle weights and seem to have a total disregard for gross vehicle weight ratings and safe vehicle weights. Unfortunately, the reason many manufacturers are so cagey about publishing actual weights is because they are building and selling overloaded vehicles.

The actual weight of the EarthRoamer XV-LTS shown in the photos is 16,329 pounds. The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of the 2011 F-550 is 19,500 pounds providing a cargo carrying capacity of 3,171 pounds.

[SRUPike]

Bill thanks for always posting, it's great to see involved, passionate owners/builders of top level items. I see alot of the passion you show also with Wiley of Yellowfin Yachts. Thanks for sharing your passion with us.

Question though, in picture 17 in your new gallery for the LTS, what is the control box that is above the airvent on the Driver Side?

[Bill@EarthRoamer.com]

...Question though, in picture 17 in your new gallery for the LTS, what is the control box that is above the airvent on the Driver Side?

http://www.earthroamer.com/jpg/XVLTS_Cab.jpg

[Dgurley2000]

Do you have any photos of the exterior storage and solar panels?

[camperman]

16329 pounds - how accurately! To be honest, I expected that the total weight will be very close to the GVWR. But I was wrong. This weight allows you to set any other options, or tightly fill storage boxes :box:
Forgot one thing - lighting in the LTS simply wonderful and provides a very comfortable interior :coffee:

[shellb]

Stay tuned, in the next couple of weeks we will be announcing a couple of more new EarthRoamers...

Any update on the timing of your announcement Bill? :drool:

We are standing by and waiting patiently...kind of :coffee:

[Bill@EarthRoamer.com]

Any update on the timing of your announcement Bill? :drool:

We are standing by and waiting patiently...kind of :coffee:

I apologize for the delay, we have been very busy. I hope to have a press release out next week.

[shellb]

Thanks for the reply Bill! No need to apologize at all. We are obviously looking forward to it, whenever you are ready.

[GlobalMonkey]

Any news Bill?

[charlieaarons]

The actual weight of the EarthRoamer XV-LTS shown in the photos is 16,329 pounds. The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of the 2011 F-550 is 19,500 pounds providing a cargo carrying capacity of 3,171 pounds.

Is that with fuel and water tanks empty or full? 90 gal diesel + 130 gal water weighs about 1700 lb.
Bill, you might be interested in these road-oriented 335/80R20 Michelin XZEs with load rating 154:
http://www.trucks.nl/VehicleDetail.asp?vehicleid=1363202&languageid=1

Charlie

[McZippie]

The XV-LTS is proving to be very popular with over half of our order backlog being the XV-LTS model. Stay tuned, in the next couple of weeks we will be announcing a couple of more new EarthRoamers...

Hope the new models will include my dream Roamer:

" Joe 6-Pack Limited Edition"... Yea that's it, a Ball Park Tail gate'in Edition, painted up with favorite 'Team' logos. the new ParkRoamers

Seriously, I'd like to see one with the wood cabinets and all other wood interior trim replaced with a motif of chrome, stainless steel, brushed aluminum, ebony, gray and charcoal.

[rbod]

I apologize for the delay, we have been very busy. I hope to have a press release out next week.

Did anything get announced on the other new models yet? Wasn't sure if I missed it.

Thanks!

[shellb]

I think Bill and team must be still working on the announcement as I haven't seen anything here or their website. Still can't wait to hear what it is!

[TomH]

I think Bill and team must be still working on the announcement as I haven't seen anything here or their website. Still can't wait to hear what it is!

Provan is also very close to releasing the new Siberian Tiger. Current Tigers have a fused cab/cabin. The Siberian will be built on an F-450 diesel crew cab with the cab and cabin flex joined like the ER XV-LT. I am also curious to see the new pickup based Unicats. This is going to become a competitive field.

[jmcboots]

OK total noob here... but...

What wheels are those? They are on that brush truck too.

Also is there a bearing problem or anything associated with running only one tire on the dually axle?

Thanks!
John

[LakeLBJ]

Provan is also very close to releasing the new Siberian Tiger. Current Tigers have a fused cab/cabin. The Siberian will be built on an F-450 diesel crew cab with the cab and cabin flex joined like the ER XV-LT. I am also curious to see the new pickup based Unicats. This is going to become a competitive field.

Still haven't seen this yet. Or the new smaller EarthRoamer.

[Alpentalic]

Nice looking rig, that would fall into the "one-can-dream" category for me...

As for the second image...
I do this sort of work for a living, for a long time, starting with a real airbrush before it all turned to pixels.

To my eye this is two images, the truck has been superimposed upon a scenic backdrop.
The giveaway for me is the shadow being cast by the truck it's self, it's not quite right.
As for the stretch, pretty easy to accomplish if you have spent any time doing this sort of thing for a living.
It's not badly done, but CGI all the same.

[turbopilot]

Nice looking rig, that would fall into the "one-can-dream" category for me...

As for the second image...
I do this sort of work for a living, for a long time, starting with a real airbrush before it all turned to pixels.

To my eye this is two images, the truck has been superimposed upon a scenic backdrop.
The giveaway for me is the shadow being cast by the truck it's self, it's not quite right.
As for the stretch, pretty easy to accomplish if you have spent any time doing this sort of thing for a living.
It's not badly done, but CGI all the same.

This (http://earthroamer.com/galleries/113/) is not CGI.

http://earthroamer.com/galleries/113/img_3248_std.jpg

[camperman]

I know there are 2 XV LTS already - #107 and this #113

[TomH]

Still haven't seen this (Provan's Siberian Tiger) yet. Or the new smaller EarthRoamer.

Provan has finished Siberian # 1 (prototype) which, according to Mark, passed all its trials with flying colors. Siberian #2 (first production unit for the sponsoring customer) has recently been finished. Provan is preparing for a photo shoot that will happen soon. Those photos will then be used for brochures, web pages, other introductory promotional materials. After that, the unveiling will come.

Would love to know how the new ERs are progressing.

[haven]

Anyone have information or photos of the "hidden bunk bed" mentioned earlier? Sure would be nice not to have to set up the second bed across the path to the bathroom!

[DKB2GO]

I'm thinking Earthroamer could do a drawer-like bunk that slides out from under the bed and extends over the galley. Something similar to what's been done in some truck campers. Given Earthroamer's door placement, I'm not sure how the bunk would be supported aft.

[john278516]

97538

I just ran across photos of the dry bath on an XV-LT Stretch. I love the molded fiberglass bath it look like it would be very durable and easy to clean. I've scene much larger rigs with baths nowhere near as big as this.

More Photos here:
http://www.earthroamer.com/xv-lt/camping/dry-bath-stretch-models-only/

[rol]

Know this is off topic but can you get locking differentials on these?

[Scott Brady]

There have been a few owners that have installed ARB lockers in the front axle.

[Marv800]

There have been a few owners that have installed ARB lockers in the front axle.

This may be a newb question, but what's an ARB locker?

[dwh]

This may be a newb question, but what's an ARB locker?

http://store.arbusa.com/Air-Lockers-C7.aspx

[IWantAUnimog]

Saw the strectch version at the Expo. The Fords look better in real life than they do in pictures (at least to me). Too bad the Earthroamer people weren't letting us into the Stretch version. I liked the regular version but for more than two people, it would seem a little tight. I want to get one of these after they've depreciated after 5 years or so.

[Saiyan66]

Dont get your hopes up too much about depreciation. The ER's hold their value really well. The older 6.0 Powerstroke models are even selling for a decent price. If the new 6.7 turns out to be as good as Ford hopes, they will certainly demand a premium price used.

[LakeLBJ]

Wasn't Earthroamer developing a smaller F350 based platform?

[DKB2GO]

Wasn't Earthroamer developing a smaller F350 based platform?

I was under the same belief. I sent a PM to Bill Swails, in November 2010, but never got a response. Am keeping a watchful eye as I imagine Earthroamer opted to bring its bigger offering (XV-HD) to market prior to the F350 design.

[expeditionvan]

Bill any sneak peaks of the smaller 3/4 and 1 ton versions?

Bump:

Any updates on the smaller 3/4 or 1 ton version?

[cwsqbm]

Wasn't Earthroamer developing a smaller F350 based platform?

That was the rumor. Given that the demand (from those actually spending the money) is for larger, not smaller (hence the new XV-LTS's being built), going to the F650 is a wise business choice even if its not what I want personally.

[Marc DDS]

I spotted a "stretch" for the first time yesterday in Ely NV. My boys were certainly fans.

Cool rig!!

One question:

I noticed the rear disk rotors were SUPER exposed. I'm guessing it is because the axel was originally a dually and with the super single now on it, it leaves it sort of hanging out in the middle of nowhere???

[loup407]

I did a tour of the factory last year, and I seem to recall the axle is a converted dual..but I may not be correct.

[JRhetts]

...I noticed the rear disk rotors were SUPER exposed. I'm guessing it is because the axel was originally a dually and with the super single now on it, it leaves it sort of hanging out in the middle of nowhere???

Yep!! They are all that way for exactly that reason. No protection now that the rear wheel is single and dished "out".

[Marc DDS]

So what is the advantage of the single? Why not just keep it a dually?

[Overland Hadley]

No protection now that the rear wheel is single and dished "out".

There was some discussion in the Mog section about protecting the exposed brake rotor from a dually. One idea was to mount a cut down wheel, more or less you would have dually wheels but a single tire. No idea if it would work, but it was an interesting idea.

I know personally I do not like the idea of having an exposed brake rotor when driving on a rough road.

[Overland Hadley]

So what is the advantage of the single? Why not just keep it a dually?

It is generally accepted that a dually will not perform as well in off road or rough road situations.

[Marc DDS]

It is generally accepted that a dually will not perform as well in off road or rough road situations.

I get that for a rock crawler or something on an SUV/pickup, but I don't see a dual wheel set up slowing something down or limiting ability on something as big as an Earth Roamer.

[mhiscox]

I get that for a rock crawler or something on an SUV/pickup, but I don't see a dual wheel set up slowing something down or limiting ability on something as big as an Earth Roamer.
You're probably right in the great majority of situations. There are a few times it can get ugly, though, the most prominent of which is getting a good-sized rock wedged between the two tires. Wedge it just right and there's no easy way to get it out. There's also a potential problem with mud packing in between the wheels, and there's often some sort of not-very-rugged valve extension to the inside wheel to get damaged

Another issue is if you are going to be airing down the tires for more traction. Deflating and reinflating six tires is 50% more work; not a big deal to do once a day, a pain to do often. Also, six tires cost more than four, the sizes available may or may not be as suitable for off-pavement, and it's hard to keep track of the condition of the two adjacent sidewalls. And while the effect depends on the specifics, duals generally provide more traction surface, but less traction pressure. Whether this is good or bad depends on the surface and the situation.

But you're right to think that duals won't often be the determining factor in whether you'd eventually get somewhere. The medium and heavy trucks hauling products to remote areas are on duals, so if you're traveling on a road, even a bad road, it's likely that it's workable without SRWs. Still, there are times . . .

[JRhetts]

Agree with everything mhiscox said above. But if you have to do a changeover, the $$ investment can be very high, especially trying to find rims and wheels to carry the load originally spread over 4 tires and wheels. And getting the off sets to align the front and rear wheels [purportedly desirable if you are going to the trouble to go to singles] can require one-off fabrication — if anyone is even willing to do it — and then they will in all likelihood not have DOT tested certification on the engineering, so ....

[charlieaarons]

You're probably right in the great majority of situations. There are a few times it can get ugly, though, the most prominent of which is getting a good-sized rock wedged between the two tires. Wedge it just right and there's no easy way to get it out. There's also a potential problem with mud packing in between the wheels, and there's often some sort of not-very-rugged valve extension to the inside wheel to get damaged

Another issue is if you are going to be airing down the tires for more traction. Deflating and reinflating six tires is 50% more work; not a big deal to do once a day, a pain to do often. Also, six tires cost more than four, the sizes available may or may not be as suitable for off-pavement, and it's hard to keep track of the condition of the two adjacent sidewalls. And while the effect depends on the specifics, duals generally provide more traction surface, but less traction pressure. Whether this is good or bad depends on the surface and the situation.

But you're right to think that duals won't often be the determining factor in whether you'd eventually get somewhere. The medium and heavy trucks hauling products to remote areas are on duals, so if you're traveling on a road, even a bad road, it's likely that it's workable without SRWs. Still, there are times . . .

One can't air down duals. It will cause the sidewalls to "kiss", overheat and fail.
If you don't believe me, try it.
.

Charlie

[mhiscox]

One can't air down duals. It will cause the sidewalls to "kiss", overheat and fail. If you don't believe me, try it.
Yeah, what he said. I had in mind letting air out for a softer ride when going slower speeds off pavement (going from 80 to 40 or 50 psi, as I'd often do on my Sprinter) rather than getting the sidewalls to flex for more traction, but "airing down" wasn't a good way to phrase that.