found an cherokee with a diesel

[getlost4x4]

I was just in the junkyard and found a Cherokee with a 4 cylinder turbo diesel. There isn't any transmission attached to it.

I'll attach some pictures

[getlost4x4]

Well ill have to wait.until I get to a computer I can't get.them off my android phone to the website

[Waytec]

There was an option of I think one or two years for a diesel. The catch with them is it is an oddball motor and you cannot get arts for it. To what i have read they where junk as well. If you have one and it runs you have a rear find.

[getlost4x4]

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[The Adam Blaster]

I'm pretty sure the diesels in the XJ's were more popular up here in Canada - usually used on mine sites from what I've heard.
I don't know who the manufacturer of those engines was though, nor how good/reliable they were or what power #'s they put out.

[getlost4x4]

They offered it pretty cheap. But I don't know if it worth it

[Heady Expedition]

I think they used a Renault engine for the diesel. It had around 80-85 hp and 130+ lb-ft of torque, Solid find if you can bring her back to live. Diesels make great overlanders.

[Antichrist]

There was a company some years back who specialized in Renault diesel conversions to CJ's. ok, a lot of years back. lol

[Root Moose]

Renault 2.1. It's junk, don't waste your time.

[getlost4x4]

the junkyard thought it was a Peugeot. :elkgrin:

i try to stay away from french stuff. it usually is 10 x's worse then British stuff. :Mechanic:

[Root Moose]

i try to stay away from french stuff. it usually is 10 x's worse then British stuff. :Mechanic:

Words to live by. :)

[jeepdreamer]

Renault 2.1. It's junk, don't waste your time.

X-infinity...run screaming lest it try and follow you home! Bad motor...very Very bad! Too bad too...
Now the RVs in the background are more interesting!! Any awnings or expo parts left on them??

[Antichrist]

There was a company some years back who specialized in Renault diesel conversions to CJ's. ok, a lot of years back. lol:Wow1: So many years ago I've forgotten. It was Peugeot conversions they did, not Renault. It was reportedly a very good engine.

[getlost4x4]

from wiki, take it for what you want.

1985-1987 2.1 L Renault turbodiesel I4 (initially sold in U.S. and until 1993 in Europe)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Cherokee_%28XJ%29#Engines

i think i'll skip that motor.

[kc0tma]

Thats the cutest little turbo I've ever seen.

[getlost4x4]

i think my fist is larger. i bet it spools quickly though. it even had an intercooler, if that tells you its way to small.:Wow1:

[BIGdaddy]

Renault 2.1. It's junk, don't waste your time.

x2 Aack!

run away, runnn aWAYYY...

lol

[kc0tma]

This is funny because we're always saying "Hey, we want a jeep with a diesel in it" but the diesel that did ever come in an XJ all we can do is say how much of a piece of $&*@ it was. We want to have our cake AND eat it!

[Root Moose]

Yeah, but in fairness we are talking about a 25 year old French relic. Under no circumstances would you consider that a good idea.

I admit to having a weakness for the Citroën SM but I know better than to actually consider buying one. :)

[kc0tma]

Citroens are cool because Sebastian Loeb drives one.

[lamontagne]

I would love to have the air cleaner in it though. Those canister types are the best for filtering the fine dust particulate we get here in the south-west.

[kc0tma]

I would love to have the air cleaner in it though. Those canister types are the best for filtering the fine dust particulate we get here in the south-west.

Looks like something you could homebrew a snorkel for too.

[BlueGerbil]

The turbo diesel engines were pretty common in european XJs. One was the mentioned 2.1 french engine, the other is a 2.5 liter engine built by the italian company VM. It was used in other cars as well.

The VM had thermal problems and is a non-desirable engine at all. I don´t understand why so much people want a diesel engine in a Jeep. I´ll avoid that as long as I can. The 4.0 is such a great engine, can be converted to run on propane/LPG and you can add a 2nd fuel tank and some gerry cans for that long distance trips where no fuel can be bought.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Not to add fuel to the fire but why in the heck did Jeep never offer anything bu this engine in the XJ's and the Isuzu 6 Cyl in the CJ's??? And then never since the 80's has there been a opition except the newer KJ's:exclaim:

I just wish they would understand the 2.5 VM diesel that was offered in the KJ Liberty's would have sold like warm hot cakes on a cold morning if they had put it a TJ:exclaim:

:bigbossHL: The answer is BIG OIL in bed with BIG GOVERNMENT:exclaim:

Ok I'll get off the soap box and drink some de-caf.

[kc0tma]

:bigbossHL: The answer is BIG OIL in bed with BIG GOVERNMENT:exclaim:

Technically if that was the answer then all we would see is diesels. Diesel fuel is high in petroleum than regular unleaded (correct me if I'm wrong) so that means that when you buy 20 gallons of fuel you are actually buying more oil with diesel than with regular gas. So if BIG OIL was in bed with BIG GOVERNMENT then BIG GOVERNMENT would be pushing BIG AMERICAN AUTO INDUSTRY (which we citizens now mostly own) to produce more diesel engines.

The only hole in that logic is that a 4 cylinder diesel engine gets better mpg than a 4 cylinder unleaded engine. But I bet if you did the math, even though you can drive farther on a gallon of diesel by the time you drive the same distance with gasoline you might have used almost as much crude. Just a guess, not based on facts or anything.

[Root Moose]

Diesels = Meh

[jeepdreamer]

So what ever do you mean CF? What...You want a smaller Government? Hahaha...But then who would give out the free services to the non workers? Who would ensure you are put into a debt so large that your calculator can hardly show all the digits!?! And then who, while their poor decisions have caused a near collapse of all that was once a proud, thriving nation, would tax everyone to cover the debt while giving themselves a raise!?! Moahahaha!
Ok, sorry...now MY rant is over!

But in seriousness to Kc0tma:
As I understand the processing scale, diesel is LESS refined than gasoline...at least prior to all the required attempts to make fossil fuels "greener". The lion's share of the cost of diesel over gas is taxes. More specifically, Federal and local taxes levied as a stopgap to cause over the road transportation (trucking companies) to pay for roads and services. I believe that if diesel were taxed at the same rate as gas it would be down in the 20% cost of gas area...
And then lets not forget the potential of Biodiesel! Why on earth would a global corporation that bases its income on an often touted "limited" resource like a fossil fuel ever persue something that could eliminate them almost overnight? Not real good for buiseness to show people that there are better, cleaner, more efficent, more powerful ways to produce near limitless fuel for their transportation than the product they sell...
Just some food for thought!




Not to add fuel to the fire but why in the heck did Jeep never offer anything bu this engine in the XJ's and the Isuzu 6 Cyl in the CJ's??? And then never since the 80's has there been a opition except the newer KJ's:exclaim:

I just wish they would understand the 2.5 VM diesel that was offered in the KJ Liberty's would have sold like warm hot cakes on a cold morning if they had put it a TJ:exclaim:

:bigbossHL: The answer is BIG OIL in bed with BIG GOVERNMENT:exclaim:

Ok I'll get off the soap box and drink some de-caf.

[COLOFIREMAN]

I don't have anything against the government now, it's going to be big all the time. I can't do anything about it except vote. I just wish the government would force the auto manufactures to offer more diesels in each line. The fact that auto manufactures for years have offered, because they are forced to, diesels in other countries. The USA gets none of them. This Cherokee is a great example of it. I would just like to have the a diesel opition if I wanted to buy a newer Cherokee. I have a 03' Grand Cherokee that has a high output 4.7 V8. But in Canada I found a same year CG with a factory 2.5 VM diesel in it????? Why there and not here??

As far as diesels using the same or more crude oil....

Once crude oil is extracted, it is sent to oil refineries for separation of the different components. The process of making diesel fuel can be categorized in three basic steps, namely, separation, conversion and purification. Separation of diesel fuel is done by performing fractional distillation of the crude oil mixture. In this method, crude oil is filled in a fractional distillation column, which is then subjected to a specific temperature.

The components of the crude oil mixture are separated according to their boiling temperatures. The compounds with low boiling points are present at the top of the column and those with higher boiling points are settled below. For example, propane gas and gasoline are distilled first, after which diesel fuel and lubricating oil are separated one after the other.

Diesel fuel is only one part of crude oil process and of that part it is only one fifth. It takes far more crude oil to make a gallon of standard gasoline then diesel.

Scientific facts aside, diesel engines produce less hydrocarbons, run cooler, require less upkeep, outlast the vehicle in most cases, and get overall better MPG. However, having said that, the price of a vehicle with a factory diesel engine are very overpriced and doesn't overshadow the above mentioned benefits. This was proven in the May 09' JP Mag when they did a 13,005 mile test. At the end of the long term test, the mileage per gallon saving didn't overcome the initial price with the blue tech diesel. One would have to own the Jeep for 8 years to break even.

[JPK]

"At the end of the long term test, the mileage per gallon saving didn't overcome the initial price with the blue tech diesel. One would have to own the Jeep for 8 years to break even."

But that is with the additional diesel taxes. The real answer is to remove the extra tax on diesel fuel.

Also, in a truly counter productive and contradictory manner, the Gov't, as ussual, is fighting diesel particulates as a "cause" (largely unsupported) of widespread illness, especially in children. That diesel engines use so much less hydrocarbon fuel seems lost on the Fed beuraucrats. How 'bout the new "piss bottles" (urea resevoirs) required in US diesels? What a crock!

We can see a similar counter productive and contradictory policy regarding CFC and HCFC refrigerants. Here is but one example: New Freon is outlawed, but it is still so much more efficient than the next best alternative that it: 1. reduces hydrocarbon use by large margins and 2. is the second most smuggled material into the US. (Ever notice how long it now takes a good size car or truck to get cool in the heat? Reason: approved refrigerants are nowhere near as effective or as efficient as Freon) (Freon is R-12, iirc, it has been a long time since I had the pleasure of buying or trading Freon.)

The US outlaws Freon while the rest of the world benefits from its efficiency... Our Gov't at "work." The Gov't would have done better simply taxing the hell out of it to deter venting and to promote system maintenance to prevent unintended releases.

JPK

[COLOFIREMAN]

But that is with the additional diesel taxes. The real answer is to remove the extra tax on diesel fuel.

I agree completely!!!!!


Also, in a truly counter productive and contradictory manner, the Gov't, as ussual, is fighting diesel particulates as a "cause" (largely unsupported) of widespread illness, especially in children. That diesel engines use so much less hydrocarbon fuel seems lost on the Fed beuraucrats. How 'bout the new "piss bottles" (urea resevoirs) required in US diesels? What a crock!
JPK


Add to that the run ability problems newer diesels are having now since they required that DPF!!! I have a friend that was able to successfully claim the lemon law due to the amount of times his 06' was in the shop for that. They told him he was allowing the engine to idle too long and wasn't getting the EGT's high enough to burn the excess particulates out????!!!

Let them do what they want......my 01' Dodge CTD and my 1988 Grand Wagneer with a soon-to-be Cummins 4BTA or the motor in this Cherokee would not be required to subscribe to that.

[jeepdreamer]

I've said this before so I will try not to repeat myself to much but I think this is a fairly blatent issue.
Petroleum based diesel is taxed excessively, still relys on a fossil fuel for its creation, and is fairly singular in its use.
Biodiesel on the other hand offers SO MANY better options. And since everyone is all about screaming that we gotta be "Green"...how easy IS this?
The trend is to creat hybrid or alternative fuel new vehicles that eveyone can run out (or soon be forced to) and purchase. But I beg the question why? Why make people all trade in the vehicle they may already own to buy a new one that may proove more expensive to buy, costly to maintain (if it can even BE maintained=disposable car?), and have limited ability to fill all requirements. Why not stick with something many already own, modify it if needed (not much needed really, if anything) and put some engineers to work to hammer out the small issues?
Imagine a solar farm...generating essentually free (and clean) electricity via solar tubes. Now imagine these solar tubes, due to their nature, grow/generate large sums of a specific alage. Now suppose that on a scale of energy per required mass, this alage is one of the best sources for the raw material to manufacture biodiesel? Burns cleaner than dino-diesel, adds mpgs and power (minor but still) and leaves far less (if any) deposites in the engine which results in an even longer lifespan of the motor!?! Now you are driving around in your old diesel truck, doing the same things you always do, essentually for almost nothing. Perfect? No...Bio still has "issues" that restrain it from really cold weather use as it will gel. But seriously...how hard can that be to fix? We know how to process it. We know that based on its caustic nature that it doesn't react well with certain fuel lines and seals...to easy. But unlike other bios..it doesn't rely on foodstuffs to be created. It also has as a by product one of the major ingredeants used in animal feed and some other things...So I just don't get it. The "technology is right there staring us in the face but we ignore it. Free electricity and free fuel for our vehicles...how much easier could it get?

[kc0tma]

"At the end of the long term test, the mileage per gallon saving didn't overcome the initial price with the blue tech diesel. One would have to own the Jeep for 8 years to break even."

But that is with the additional diesel taxes. The real answer is to remove the extra tax on diesel fuel.


I've had my XJ for almost 6 years now so it mostly just depends on whether or not you go through cars quickly or not.

If you are bold and daring and don't mind risking getting caught, you could always bend the law and use the red dyed offroad diesel that is sold for tractors and stuff that never sees a highway. Just don't get busted.....

[COLOFIREMAN]

If you are bold and daring and don't mind risking getting caught, you could always bend the law and use the red dyed offroad diesel that is sold for tractors and stuff that never sees a highway. Just don't get busted.....

State Police are normally the one that will do that and only after received complaints that you others in the area are using red dye diesel.

Here in Colorado it's a very big fine the first time and could be an even larger fine the second time up to 10K plus your vehicle gets impounded. Don't risk it please.

[winkosmosis]

How do people know you're using red diesel? Is the exhaust smoke red?

[getlost4x4]

exhaust smell, engine noise.

[kc0tma]

How do people know you're using red diesel? Is the exhaust smoke red?

They just put a little bit of red die in the fuel if U am thinking straight (early morning). Then when you hear about guys saying that state inspectors "dipped their tank" they are seeing if you have the red diesel in there illegally or not.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Then when you hear about guys saying that state inspectors "dipped their tank" they are seeing if you have the red diesel in there illegally or not.

Your right, thats the only way to confirm the use of red dye on the roadways.

[K2ZJ]

As far as diesels using the same or more crude oil....

Once crude oil is extracted, it is sent to oil refineries for separation of the different components. The process of making diesel fuel can be categorized in three basic steps, namely, separation, conversion and purification. Separation of diesel fuel is done by performing fractional distillation of the crude oil mixture. In this method, crude oil is filled in a fractional distillation column, which is then subjected to a specific temperature.

The components of the crude oil mixture are separated according to their boiling temperatures. The compounds with low boiling points are present at the top of the column and those with higher boiling points are settled below. For example, propane gas and gasoline are distilled first, after which diesel fuel and lubricating oil are separated one after the other.

Diesel fuel is only one part of crude oil process and of that part it is only one fifth. It takes far more crude oil to make a gallon of standard gasoline then diesel.

Just to clarify further, these amounts change with the crude itself and is not adjusted by man. You get what you get from the crude not by a process change.

Most petroleum we use is made into plastic, not burned for fuel.

[Metcalf]

Why don't we see more diesels in the USA? They get 30-40% more miles per gallon than there gas counterparts. You CAN also make the choice to make your own fuel rather easily in a number of different ways. Also, they tend to last about twice as long. I can't think for the life of me why big business would want to sell less fuel or make fewer vehicles....

Diesel fuel is much easier to make. Oil out of the ground rarely contains 'gasoline' as we know it in its 86-93 octane form. Most chemicals in that range do not exist in quality with oil that comes out the ground. 'Diesel' fuel on the other hand just needs separated and cleaned. It generally doesn't need any post processing.

The list of technology to make your own diesel fuel is LONG, and to be fair so is the technology to make your own gasoline substitutes. The technology to make synthetic non-oil based liquid transportation fuels has been around since before WWII. The people that have most of the money are invested heavily in the production and sale of oil. Its a simple as that.

[K2ZJ]

Why don't we see more diesels in the USA?



Also, in a truly counter productive and contradictory manner, the Gov't, as ussual, is fighting diesel particulates as a "cause" (largely unsupported) of widespread illness, especially in children. That diesel engines use so much less hydrocarbon fuel seems lost on the Fed beuraucrats. How 'bout the new "piss bottles" (urea resevoirs) required in US diesels? What a crock!

PM 2.5 (particulate matter 2.5 micrometers and smaller) are to blame. Strict US emissions standards cause Jeep to pull both of their diesel offerings. That's why big diesels added filters and scrubbers to their exhaust.