How to carry more fuel?

[pskhaat]

I have had about 3 deals fall through on an extended fuel tank for my 80 series. (Okay, one actually was wise and decided to keep it :) )

I wouldn't mind external can carriers, but my roof is totally consumed by the roof tent. My rear tire carrier can't handle the weight.

Thoughts?

[spressomon]

Good time to consider a trailer ;)

[brittan]

If the tire is on the rear bumper I'd consider this option as a aux fuel tank.
http://www.fuelsafe.com/pdf/OffRoad.pdf

[Mlachica]

4.88's first :shakin:

hang tight and I'm sure you'll come across a 44gal aux tank. Your time will come!

[KMR]

Extended fuel tanks are too much money, so I am just going to put a diesel in and get double the range.

That will be cost effective. :o

[wd40]

I carry mine on the bumper...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/warfin/Sunflower/th_IMG_0571.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/warfin/Sunflower/IMG_0571.jpg

Except when I need to use the headlights... :)

[dd113]

I read a lot about the 80 series extended tanks and I really wonder how much of the OEM sub tank is a "bling" factor. Sure, it is a nice set up if you really need it , but it is almost impossible to get and costs a pile of money. I am going for a 15 gallon RV style off the shelf tank plumbed into the main tank with a fuel pump. I will cut an additional filler neck with an OEM filler bucket and door. If the entire comtraptions costs $200 I will be suprised.

[Boston Mangler]

I really wonder how much of the OEM sub tank is a "bling" factor.

About 90%

The OEM subtank costs huge money, is a giant PITA to install, requires tons of super rare parts, and for what? An additional 12 gallons?

No Thanks! :D

My .02

[KMR]

I am going for a 15 gallon RV style off the shelf tank plumbed into the main tank with a fuel pump. I will cut an additional filler neck with an OEM filler bucket and door. If the entire comtraptions costs $200 I will be suprised.


Where/how are you going to mount it?

[pskhaat]

The filler neck and breather lines and the small ECU to cut out xfer pump sounds like the most costly solution. Pray, what exactly are you thinking? :)

[adventureduo]

Dont know what your budget is.. but last i checked(last week) Manafre stil had a 24 gallon tank that goes for $800 bucks and comes with everything you need. This is the route i'll go when i fill like dropping come coin again. Its about half the size of the 44 gallon long ranger. It's not listed on their site.

[dd113]

Where/how are you going to mount it?
I found a few flatish fuel cells that i will mount where the baby spare used to ride then scab on a skid plate. I need to figure out a filler neck but I have seen some Dodge truck dbl necks that might be finagled into the stock filler opening.

[Diesel Joe]

I emailed Opposite Locke in Australia and ended up buying a 190 liter (50 gallon) main tank for my HZJ 60 land cruiser. Shes big and very well built. It cost as much to ship it as it did to buy it!

Here she is with the rear wheel off.

http://www.fototime.com/%7B7BD725D2-2705-4EBF-B74B-FB15414BC3B6%7D/picture.JPG

[Mike S]

The subtank on my 80 carries an additional 25.5 gallons. On my trips the extra range is needed and welcome. I don't have to plan the trip around fuel concerns.

[Brian894x4]

I tried to get MAF's 24 gallon tank last week, but someone else got it. They only had one left and Steve was checking to see if they were actually going to take it. After numerous calls checking back in, it appears that it did sell. Darn it!

But more will come in....someday.

In the meantime, I'm in the same boat. I don't think the stock tank will be enough, but I have no rear tire carrier or roof rack so niether option will work for me.

The only thing left is interior storage using fuel cans. Not the best plan, but it's what I do in a pinch. The best sealing fuel cans I've ever used are the Wedco nato cans. They are airtight, don't leak and I've never detected a single bit of vapor.

The next best thing about the Wedco nato cans is the different sizes. You can get them in 2.5 gallon and 1.25 gallon sizes. I have all three sizes, but now leave the 5 gallon ones home. The 2.5 gallon cans are small enough to be able to fit in different nooks and crannies and it's much easier to fill holding a 15lb can, than it is a large 30lb 5 gallon can.

The 1.25 gallon cans are neat, but considering my 80 burns that up in about 15 miles, they're kind of not worth the hassle. But if you need a really small, really sturdy can, that's an option.

One word of warning...you don't want to leave the gas cans in the vehicle in the heat of summer during extremely hot weather. I found a 2.5 gallon ballooned in the back of my CRX. I can only imagine the pressure that the can was under to cause that. But it is a testimate the can's strength and the fact that it will not vent anything into the interior..short of exploding...of course.

[Boston Mangler]

I cant/wont commit to a date yet, but i AM going to be doing another AUX TANK GROUP by soon.

These will be the LONG RANGER brand from OZ, same as last time.

PM for details.

K

[hoser]

I tried to get MAF's 24 gallon tank last week, but someone else got it. They only had one left and Steve was checking to see if they were actually going to take it. After numerous calls checking back in, it appears that it did sell. Darn it! Try http://motorcare.com.au/

They carry LRA tanks (same one MAF sells) and will ship to the US. The price might even be less since the tank is only shipped once.

[alia176]

Scott,

Why not get creative and just build one or buy one that may fit in the space? It's nice to have a dual filler neck with the perfect aux tank and all that but it's simple to have someone just build one or go buy one from JC whitney or the like. As far as the filler neck, run it out the wheel well (like you see in older P.U. trucks) until you can score a dual filler neck. Carrying fuel on top or in the rear just doesn't have to happen if people can get creative with their money!

[adventureduo]

You can count me in bro on that group buy. I've been waiting patiently for this to come around again.;)


I cant/wont commit to a date yet, but i AM going to be doing another AUX TANK GROUP by soon.

These will be the LONG RANGER brand from OZ, same as last time.

PM for details.

K

[adventureduo]

I tried to get MAF's 24 gallon tank last week, but someone else got it. They only had one left and Steve was checking to see if they were actually going to take it. After numerous calls checking back in, it appears that it did sell. Darn it!

Woa, i was this close to ordering that too. I was on the phone with Steve ordering something else and almost added it. I knew it would go fast. Im gonna hold out for the Long Ranger.

[Brian894x4]

Can anyone tell me the differences between the tanks MAF sells and the Long Ranger, besides capacity?

I hearing that the MAF tanks may be lesser quality. If I understood Steve correctly, the MAF tank, which I guess is a Long Range Automotive tank...so confusing with similiar names...comes with the long sought after Toyota duel filler neck, and all the stuff needed to install. It also looks pretty easy to install the hoses and pump and I liked the fact that the switch comes with a little simple fuel gauge on it.

I don't ever expect to need more than 24 extra gallons and in fact, I'd actually rather have the factory subtank and locate the spare in the stock location, but I know that's not going to happen.

But if anyone could provide any advantages or disadvantages between the two different makers of tanks, besides capacity, and what parts come with them, I'd sure appreciate it.

Thanks.

[adventureduo]

I dont think there is a advantage one over the other. They're just fuel tanks. I do like how the MAF comes with everything you need. That is a plus for sure. But i rather carry a boatload of fuel instead and work on tracking the parts down... i have too much time on my hands anyways.

[hoser]

After some research, I concluded both, Long Range Automotive (LRA) and Long Ranger (LR) were quality tanks. I've read complaints about Brown Davis and 4WDsystems tanks. The LRA and LR tanks are both made of 2mm aluminized steel and MIG welded. The LR tanks are also sold as ARB.

LRA is supposedly OEM on Australian's GMH vehicles, which probably means they've gone through some standard of testing. One nice thing about LRA is they are willing to customize your tank. You can have an additional metal plate welded to the bottom or you can have the mounts welded 1" lower if you had say a 1" body lift.

Like you said, LR doesn't have an "export" version which includes everything needed for install. I ended up going with LRA. If I needed a larger tank, I'd go with the 44 gallon LR over the 34 gallon LRA as it looks like it tucks up nicer. LR also makes a nice 122L fuel/55L water Combo tank for the 100 series that's pretty slick.

[Boston Mangler]

Can anyone tell me the differences between the tanks MAF sells and the Long Ranger, besides capacity?

Do some advanced searches on IH8Mud. There was a huge discussion on this very topic awhile ago.

Basically the 28 or whatever gallon REPLACEMENT tank that replaced the stock tank was a bad design and rigs with lifts that were used offroad would move enough that the driveshaft would contact it! :oops:

I also remember another member mentioning he split his seams on the AUX tank version after hitting it on a rock. Search hard enough and you will find the thread. I dont wanna spread bogus info, but that was one of the main reasons people shyed away from them. I know that is the reason i spent almost 2x as much getting mine from Long Ranger in OZ! :D


If I understood Steve correctly, the MAF tank, which I guess is a Long Range Automotive tank...so confusing with similiar names...comes with the long sought after Toyota duel filler neck,

Yes and no, i had a friend of mine call awhile back and was told that they had everything for the install BUT the neck! My buddy passed and held out for the Long Ranger!


It also looks pretty easy to install the hoses and pump and I liked the fact that the switch comes with a little simple fuel gauge on it.

This is another thing i did NOT like about the MAF version, They use an oldball sending unit that cant be rigged up to the stock gauge or the super slick overhead gauge like i got because of the different OHM readings. Sure, you could probably do some electrical magic and convert it, but i didnt like this part of it. What if the MAF sending unit or gauge dies? Then what? They dont sell replacements! I wanted my install to be all top notch TOYOTA OEM stuff! :safari-rig:


I don't ever expect to need more than 24 extra gallons and in fact, I'd actually rather have the factory subtank and locate the spare in the stock location, but I know that's not going to happen.

Eh, you will be surprised man! First the stock Aux tank is too little gain for WAY too much work in my opinion. This is by far one of the most labor intensive mods i have done and wouldnt even consider doing it for something that could be accomplished with 2 jerry cans! Thats of course, my opinion!

Second, having the 44 gallon capacity kicksass when the fuel prices flucuating so much, i fill it to the brim when i pass a low priced station! Save a ton that way!


, and what parts come with them, I'd sure appreciate it..

The Long Ranger requires more leg work to install and collect the parts, but in my opinion is the best option!

Thats my .02

[Boston Mangler]

There is also a company called OPPOSITE LOCK that makes some cool and good quality Aux tanks as well!

And of course, they are based in OZ! :(

[Boston Mangler]

Like you said, LR doesn't have an "export" version which includes everything needed for install. .

They do, but the price is INSANELY expensive!

I priced it out when we did the last buy and they wanted stupid $ for all of the parts!


If I needed a larger tank, I'd go with the 44 gallon LR over the 34 gallon LRA as it looks like it tucks up nicer.

Yes it does! That alone shows me LR's attention to detal and craftsmanship! The LRA is just a sqaure BOX and hangs down almost 2 inches LOWER then the 44 gallon one, go figure!


LR also makes a nice 122L fuel/55L water Combo tank for the 100 series that's pretty slick.

Yeah, i SOOOO wish they had those for the 80's! Super Slick!

On a side note, they make Stainless and Aluminum water tanks for the 80s, but they bolt to the frame rails under the body where our sliders mount! :(

[calamaridog]

http://www.aerotanks.com/index.html

Have any of you 80 series fellows ever talked to these guys about building a larger replacement tank?

[hoser]

This is another thing i did NOT like about the MAF version, They use an oldball sending unit that cant be rigged up to the stock gauge or the super slick overhead gauge like i got because of the different OHM readings. Sure, you could probably do some electrical magic and convert it, but i didnt like this part of it. What if the MAF sending unit or gauge dies? Then what? They dont sell replacements! I wanted my install to be all top notch TOYOTA OEM stuff! :safari-rig: Let's call it the LRA tank since MAF doesn't manufacture it and MAF also carries 3+ different aux tanks. The LRA uses a very common 0-90 Ohm sending unit, probably easier to find than a proprietary Toyota sending unit. However, I agree, Toyota quality is tough to beat.

Just to clarify for anyone else, we seem to be discussing 5 different tanks here now.

LRA 24 gallon aux tank
LR 44 gallon aux tank
LRA 34 gallon aux tank
FZJ80 Replacement main tank sold by MAF awhile back (not sure which manufacturer)
LR combo tank aux tank


Yes it does! That alone shows me LR's attention to detal and craftsmanship! The LRA is just a sqaure BOX and hangs down almost 2 inches LOWER then the 44 gallon one, go figure!
(I don't know about the 34 gallon LRA but I gotta say that the LRA 24 gallon tank is not just like a box. It fits snug from rail to rail and actually tucks up over the exhaust can. They could have uitlized the space towards the tow hitch but it's not a bad idea to have a "buffer" space in case of a rear-end accident.


http://www.aerotanks.com/index.html

Have any of you 80 series fellows ever talked to these guys about building a larger replacement tank?I inquired with them a couple of years ago and at the time they were not interested in making a custom tank.

[Boston Mangler]

The LRA uses a very common 0-90 Ohm sending unit, probably easier to find than a proprietary Toyota sending unit.

How do you figure its easier to find then going to a local Toyota dealer with the part #(83320-69215)?

Do you know who makes it? Can you get it local? Whats the Part #? Didnt think so! :D


However, I agree, Toyota quality is tough to beat.

I think impossible is a better term! :D


Just to clarify for anyone else, we seem to be discussing 5 different tanks here now.

LRA 24 gallon aux tank
LR 44 gallon aux tank
LRA 34 gallon aux tank
FZJ80 Replacement main tank sold by MAF awhile back (not sure which manufacturer) I was told some time ago, that this was made by LRA when i inquired about it
LR combo tank aux tank ONLY FOR 100 SERIES


I don't know about the 34 gallon LRA but I gotta say that the LRA 24 gallon tank is not just like a box. It fits snug from rail to rail and actually tucks up over the exhaust can. They could have uitlized the space towards the tow hitch but it's not a bad idea to have a "buffer" space in case of a rear-end accident.

Photos from Slees site:

LRA 34 Gallon
http://www.sleeoffroad.com/technical/images/Long_Range_Fuel_Tank.jpg

LONG RANGER 44 Gallon
http://www.sleeoffroad.com/technical/images/lrtank2.jpg
and
http://www.yankeetoys.org/mangler/longranger.jpg

[rgsiii]

I have two of the MAF 24 gallon auxilary tanks and have been impressed. Both of my 80's have 4x4Lab rear bumpers of two slightly different designs.

On the '94, we had to make use of the bumper to attach the tank. This caused the tank to sit somewhat lower than it was designed. On my 1997, we were able with some modification use the supplied mounting system. The lowest point of the tank is above my exhaust.

All the parts needed are with the kit and the installation was pretty smooth. Also, I have been very impressed with the help and advice given to me by Steve at MAF.

This is a link to my install on the '94.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=104791

[Brian894x4]

I appreciate all the comments. There's a lot to think about there.

[adventureduo]

http://www.aerotanks.com/index.html

Have any of you 80 series fellows ever talked to these guys about building a larger replacement tank?

Sounds like Hoser had the same problem as me.

These guys are right down the hill from my house. I know one person running their XJ tank. I don't know how well they like it. I never had a chance to discuss it.

I recently called them about doing a custom tank for my 80 since they don't offer a direct built in. They seemed like they didn't care one bit. They were a PITA on the phone and didn't even offer any information about what they could do for me. It seemed like i was creating a invconvience to them!>?!??! It totally irritated the crap out of me and i hung up with them. I felt like saying "im trying to drop my rig off and give you guys money and this is the way you treat your customers?" Maybe the chick was having a bad day or something? I don't know. They also said i needed to bring my rig down there between some specific hours that i couldn't do either.

I'll pass on them and give some money to people that actually have customer service still.

[hoser]

How do you figure its easier to find then going to a local Toyota dealer with the part #(83320-69215)?

Do you know who makes it? Can you get it local? Whats the Part #? Didnt think so! :D

I think impossible is a better term! :D
The LRA tank uses a standard 0-90 ohm fuel sender. Since auto parts stores outnumber Toyota dealers 100 to 1, I feel it would be fairly easy to find. They're made by VDO, JAZ, Autometer and a dozen other brands. Just cut/adjust to length and install. If need be, you can also get them anywhere they sell GM parts. Definitely not an oddball part.

As for your pictorial comparison of aux tanks, let me add... though it's called the 34 Gallon LRA tank, it is actualy 34 Imperial gallons or 160L or 42 US Gallons. So it has about the same capacity as the 44 Gallon LR tank. I've attached a pic of the 24 Gallon LRA tank in a 100. You can see it's not just a box but rather it is contoured up and over the exhaust can to use much of the available space.


I appreciate all the comments. There's a lot to think about there.Boston and I are just nit-picking. Just choose the size you want and I think you'll be happy with either LR, LRA or OEM tank.


I recently called them about doing a custom tank for my 80 since they don't offer a direct built in. They seemed like they didn't care one bit.Yes, I also read bad reports about their customer service, missing parts in the shipment and problems with their installs.

[Boston Mangler]

The LRA tank uses a standard 0-90 ohm fuel sender. Since auto parts stores outnumber Toyota dealers 100 to 1, I feel it would be fairly easy to find. They're made by VDO, JAZ, Autometer and a dozen other brands. Just cut/adjust to length and install. If need be, you can also get them anywhere they sell GM parts. You're saying it's an oddball sending unit which simply isn't true.

Not motivated enought to argue this point.


As for your pictorial comparison of aux tanks, let me add though it's called the 34 Gallon LRA tank, it is actualy 34 Imperial gallons or 160L or 42 US Gallons.

Are you sure on that? If so, i own up and admit i am wrong.

I will also state that it is 100% completely retarded for that to be advertised on a US site in imperial units of measure!


I've attached a pic of the 24 Gallon LRA tank in a 100. You can see it's not just a box but rather it is contoured up and over the exhaust can to use much of the available space.

That is nice!


Boston and I are just nit-picking. Just choose the size you want and I think you'll be happy with either LR, LRA or OEM tank.

I concur! :beer:

[hoser]

Yeah, I'm certain it's a 160L aux replacement tank as listed on their website. (http://www.longrangeautomotive.com.au/vehicles/toyota.html) It's likely they sell this tank in the UK too where they might use imperial units. Probably just an understandable oversight by a US vendor and so it became known as the 34 gallon tank.

Anyway, I do like the OEM set-up and one of these days, I might convert mine to run as a changeover system (as opposed to the transfer pump) and incorporate the OEM fuel gauge/switch. :beer:

[Brian894x4]

So....is the MAF 24 gallon tank, 24 imperial gallons or U.S. gallons?

[adventureduo]

I thought it was 24 US gallons. For advertising purposes i hope.. since they're selling it in the US! But you never know.

[hoser]

The LRA 24 gallon tank is officially 91 liters which translates to 24 US gallons.

[Brian894x4]

To be honest, with what little I know, the 24 gallon really does sound like a better fit for me, assuming Steve was correct and everything came with the kit, including the duel neck filler. Considering that part alone is worth half the price of the entire kit.

Not taking sides or anything, just comparing basic specs. I really have no need for more than 25 extra gallons, but my stock tank isn't going to be enough for some of our more remote trips. Especially if any of those southeastern Oregon outposts close down like have in the past.

At this point, I'm holding off on anything, as I don't have a place to relocate the spare. So far, I've mounted three 2.5 gallon jerry cans in the back and this will probably have to do for now. I'll post pictures later.

[Boston Mangler]

At this point, I'm holding off on anything, as I don't have a place to relocate the spare. .

One tidbit of advice, regardless of what brand you go with: These things dont come around all that often, if you find a "kit" with all of the parts, you might want to jump on it even if you are installing it down the road.

Thats my .02

[Brian894x4]

I agree. That's why I was going to plop down the cash for MAF's 24 gallon unit, even though I probably wasn't going to install it right away.

If something comes up, I'm definately going to consider it very seriously.

[Mlachica]

As for your pictorial comparison of aux tanks, let me add... though it's called the 34 Gallon LRA tank, it is actualy 34 Imperial gallons or 160L or 42 US Gallons. So it has about the same capacity as the 44 Gallon LR tank. I've attached a pic of the 24 Gallon LRA tank in a 100. You can see it's not just a box but rather it is contoured up and over the exhaust can to use much of the available space.


That's really nice to know, and the kit deal is a big +. It's looking very appealing.

[Diesel Joe]

Here is a picture of the Opposite Locke 50 gallon tank in my HZJ60. There is also a 17 gallon aux tank Ive been thinking about getting. My rear bumper carries two 5 gallon jeep cans as well.

The only time youve got to much fuel on boad is when youre on FIRE baby!

http://www.fototime.com/%7B7BD725D2-2705-4EBF-B74B-FB15414BC3B6%7D/picture.JPG

[Boston Mangler]

The only time youve got to much fuel on boad is when youre on FIRE baby!

I agree with that statement 100% :safari-rig:

[slick621]

FWIW, I emailed motorcare.com.au about pricing for the LRA 44 gallon unit (160 liter) tank. The shipped total (to Columbia, SC) came to AU$1719 (approximately US$1410), which included everything needed to install the unit (such as 'Y' filler, pump, switch, LED gauge). Just thought I would throw that out there for those considering this mod.

Travis