Go fast....get Cage.

[Metcalf]

If your going to go fast....you should probably get a cage....

YouTube - In memory of.....

[njjeepthing]

If your gonna go slow a cage is a good idea too, heck a cage is a good idea period!

Cool Video though! Love the ending!

[bldeagle10]

awh sad day! the very end made me giggle though lol

id like to see a real deal prerunner jeep though. maybe a jk unlimited, 4 door. with actual prerunner suspension and such. softer suspension with more travel would have taken that hit a bit better. maybe prevented a jeep death.

[Scott Brady]

Entertaining to say the least

[SafariPacific]

I'd have to say if the driver puts on a helmet, and there's not one for me, I'm out.

[x32792]

See 'Latest Video' on link below (towards bottom of page)

http://www.teraflex.biz/

Watch JK with PreRunner Kit leave Rubicon in the dust at Moab.

Deep travel on shocks literally takes the bumps out of the road.

No idea what this kit might cost....But I'd like to have it on my next Wrangler in 2012 (or whenever they decide to put a real motor in the Wrangler)

John

[Metcalf]

The kit is about $3900ish + shocks. I have to wonder if you REALLY need a longarm conversion for 2-3" of lift on the new JK arms. I'm sure its better, but that is sure a lot of extra parts and complexity. The Carli dodge kits seem to do REALLY well with the standard arms on 3" of lift or so......

I'm not totally convinced about the new bumpstop technology they are using yet. Seems to work good, but I just can't see it being as good as a more normal hydro-pneumatic style 'bump.

The Tera kit is also running 2.0 fox shocks....I'd like to see some 2.5 OEM replacement KING shocks....

[cwsqbm]

I'd have to say if the driver puts on a helmet, and there's not one for me, I'm out.

x 1,000,000. Its only luck that it rolled toward the driver's side and not the passenger's side. Those making the video should be ashamed of themselves.

And really, if you're going to run off road at speed, cage it and put in proper seats, restraints, and helmets. Otherwise, the next video could easily be in memory of the guy was in the passenger seat.

[orangeTJ]

At the beginning, as they are getting in the Jeep, I thought "wow, that guy (passenger) sure looks familiar..."

Then I Realized I met him last year at a big RV show in ABQ, NM.

[jackflash]

I'd have to say if the driver puts on a helmet, and there's not one for me, I'm out.

Great Minds think alike. I watched this before reading any of the posts and when the driver put on a helmet and the passenger looked in the back and then put on a HAT. The first thing I said to my friend was, "if the driver puts on a helmet, and there's not one for me, I'm out."

[Hill, Bill E.]

Great Minds think alike. I watched this before reading any of the posts and when the driver put on a helmet and the passenger looked in the back and then put on a HAT. The first thing I said to my friend was, "if the driver puts on a helmet, and there's not one for me, I'm out."

My thoughts exactly, along with "Why is that driver allowing a passenger with no helmet, when he has one?"

I understand the point of the video, I think......

Just seems done in bad taste IMO.

HB

[cruiseroutfit]

Dennis (the passenger) is a very experienced 4WD enthusiast, both personally and professionally. If he felt comfortable riding without a helmet then good for him, he is not obligated to any more than a motorcyclist is require to wear a helmet or a baja racer is required to wear a hans device (or full faced helmet for that matter). There is an element of risk when you leave your home, some live for it, some live to prevent it ;)

[cwsqbm]

Dennis (the passenger) is a very experienced 4WD enthusiast, both personally and professionally. If he felt comfortable riding without a helmet then good for him, he is not obligated to any more than a motorcyclist is require to wear a helmet or a baja racer is required to wear a hans device (or full faced helmet for that matter). There is an element of risk when you leave your home, some live for it, some live to prevent it ;)

BS. It wasn't his experience that protected, but blind luck. If the driver feels a helmet was necessary for himself, then its his job to make sure his passengers are so equipped or not take them. The bit at the beginning was trying to be funny but turned out to be insulting in retrospect.

Life is about risk management, not risk avoidance (I've spent a fair amount of time on race track at speed, both me and my passengers helmeted of course), but this was bad management. Would you ride a motorcycle off-road at speed without a helmet, whether it was required or not? And Baja does require a helmet and all other sorts of safety equipment, not just a hat and 3-point seat belt.

[Mr. D]

I thought boy he got lucky what happened to his hat at the end?

[cruiseroutfit]

BS. It wasn't his experience that protected, but blind luck.

Where did I say his experience protected him? With his experience he knew the risks and he chose to make the decision not to wear a helmet, simple as that. Your experience obviously varies.


If the driver feels a helmet was necessary for himself, then its his job to make sure his passengers are so equipped or not take them.

I'd say the passenger can dress however he like in his companies vehicle ;)


Would you ride a motorcycle off-road at speed without a helmet, whether it was required or not?

Have I yes, dozens of times. I've done far too many dumb things in my short life and unfortunately have the scars, weld burns, cattle brand and stitches to prove it. Do I make a practice of it, absolutely not and with time I've grown far more cautious of my protection. But that doesn't mean I'm going to force my beliefs on others nor will I be wearing a helment anytime soon in my 4x4's. The 'blind luck' has saved my bacon in the 4x4 roll-overs I've encountered thusfar, why chance that lol. Its time to legalize adulthood in this country. Your all acting like California politicians :sombrero:


And Baja does require a helmet and all other sorts of safety equipment, not just a hat and 3-point seat belt.

Helmet yes, but not a full faced helmet. My point was that driving a baja race car sans face protection and hans device is far riskier than driving down a Moab trail fast without a helmet yet I don't see you guys on Race-Dezert telling them how much 'blind luck' they all have.

[Hill, Bill E.]

Dennis (the passenger) is a very experienced 4WD enthusiast, both personally and professionally.

That's all and good, but sitting in the passenger seat, his experience is worth diddly.

Had it been me driving, and felt I needed a helmet, he would have worn one, whether he was the owner of the rig, my boss, or my worst enemy, or I wouldn't drive like the driver did.

Lose my job becuase of it? (if he was the boss/owner and I the refusing driver) Maybe, but I'd sleep better at night.


The point is, it was stupid, and worse yet they posted on the web, as a memoriam!


Just my opinion, but it was in bad taste.

HB

[cruiseroutfit]

That's all and good, but sitting in the passenger seat, his experience is worth diddly...

Again, he's an adult. Respect his decision as much as you would want yours. But I do think he did everything 'right' once he knew what was happening. He held firmly to the grab bar, he didn't try and put his arm out in a failed attempt to save the rig or brace against the driver, looked to be steadying his body instead of putting his hands on his and screaming and he didn't just freak out and unbuckle himself, landing on the driver. I've seen all of those scenarios play out. What if's are just that, what if.

How many of you wear helmets in your rigs? Many of which likely have weaker roof structures than the JK. Are you going to tell me you never decide to open things up a bit and bomb down a wash or cover a good chunk of ground as the sun is setting? What if you rolled? ;)

[K2ZJ]

I thought the helmet thing at the beginning was for show, it was hammed up quite a bit. How do we know the driver felt he needed a helmet? How many of you would have posted about his lack of helmet if there were no rollover? Hindsight is 20-20.

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: My cage isn't teraflex, but I do have a cage and harness and I don't go fast anymore, but

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm83/jimbowby/PICT0101-1.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm83/jimbowby/PICT0019.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm83/jimbowby/PICT0016.jpg

I've enjoyed my JKU for two years, with it's JEEP engine !!

:costumed-smiley-007:costumed-smiley-007 JIMBO

[Mg-rover1]

Great Minds think alike. I watched this before reading any of the posts and when the driver put on a helmet and the passenger looked in the back and then put on a HAT. The first thing I said to my friend was, "if the driver puts on a helmet, and there's not one for me, I'm out."

I agree! They've done studies you know...60% of the time it works, everytime.

[96discoXD]

Wow, a couple things come to mind.
Doing that without a helmet is just pure stupidity. It's his right to be stupid, but putting it in a video and posting it out there is irresponsible and in a way almost indirectly condones taking that sort of risk.

I've taken some poor risk in my time as well like pushing too hard at a track day in my old '87 Porsche 911 and ending up sideways at 95mph. I was able to save it but I swore after that I wouldn't push that hard again unless the car was equipped with a full cage, proper racing seats and harnesses like my old track car was.

Having been exposed to road racing and track days and seeing what a properly constructed cage can do to allow one to walk away almost unscathed from what looked to be a fatal accident, I wouldn't rely on the factory roll cage on my JK for any real protection. Much like a chain, a rollcage is only as strong as it's weakest link which as that video illustrates is the flimsy steel sheetmetal windshield frame.

I have a wife and children and others who care about me and I take it as my responsiblity to protect myself for their sake as much as my own.

[XXXpedition]

i wonder if he always holds the steering wheel like that................ (?)
could be pretty bad.

[reece146]

Always thought TeraFlx was professional.

This video makes them look like pikeys. An R&D programme needs more professionalism and proper equipment. The driver obviously is not a professional driver. The comments above from the track people illustrate.

[Skylinerider]

I can't believe some of the comments here. I've been on these trails, and would never even think of putting on a helmet while driving them, unless I was on an ATV. And now we even criticize how the driver holds the steering wheel?

[rynosurf]

How many of you wear helmets in your rigs? Many of which likely have weaker roof structures than the JK. Are you going to tell me you never decide to open things up a bit and bomb down a wash or cover a good chunk of ground as the sun is setting? What if you rolled? ;)

I agree, how fast do you have to go before you need a helmet? I'm sure most here have gone over 30 in the dirt without a skull cap on. I dont even think the helmet thing would be an issue if the driver wasn't (as a joke) wearing one.

[96discoXD]

I agree, how fast do you have to go before you need a helmet? I'm sure most here have gone over 30 in the dirt without a skull cap on. I dont even think the helmet thing would be an issue if the driver wasn't (as a joke) wearing one.

It's a matter of knowing your limits. As others have said, the driver donned a helmet which would indicate that he intended to attain a level of speed such that he felt it necessary to have the additional protection. If the driver weren't wearing a helmet it wouldn't be as big an issue, but then again he might no longer be with us if he weren't...

I wouldn't wear a helmet when wheeling or even when driving fast on dirt. I've traveled down well-graded dirt/gravel roads at 55-60mph, not a big deal, but when you're dropping the hammer on a desert trail with the twists, ruts, and banks that ultimately led to them flipping over that's a different story.

I wore a helmet, nomex gloves etcetera whenever I was doing a track event. I could make the arguement that since it wasn't wheel to wheel racing it was highly unlikely I would have an accident that would require the protection, but tracks require that gear for a good reason. All it takes is a momentary lapse of focus or one minor error to cause a spectacular wreck when you're on the proverbial edge, whether on pavement or dirt.

[Mamontof]

:sombrero: My cage isn't teraflex, but I do have a cage and harness and I don't go fast anymore, but

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm83/jimbowby/PICT0101-1.jpg

Great chair , hay many seating position it have ?

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: It's a JKU and it has seating for 4, but I only use two !!



Great chair , hay many seating position it have ?

The rest is for cargo !!

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm83/jimbowby/PICT0183.jpg

:costumed-smiley-007:wings: JIMBO

[XXXpedition]

And now we even criticize how the driver holds the steering wheel? ever seen a destroyed hand from that???????????????
then you might think twice ;-)

i don't even hold my wheel on the road like that... but that might be just me... (?)

[alosix]

ever seen a destroyed hand from that???????????????
then you might think twice ;-)

i don't even hold my wheel on the road like that... but that might be just me... (?)

Ah yeah.. see what you mean now :). I've had that beaten into me from a young age not to do that. My mom (mid 60s) still has a messed up thumb from loosing a tire on a drag strip in her road runner.

I enjoyed the video. Those guys were def both fairly lucky. Can't say I would have done much different than what they did. Some times stupid sh.t happens and you can't be 100% prepared 100% of the time.

[Stumpalump]

This is my head after a JK roll. Stock rollbars are all show.
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