1995 Montero SR Build

[Clem]

How many miles on your rig? Any warning signs?

Glad you caught it!:Wow1:

Clem

[LaOutbackTrail]

The truck had 115k when I bought it and it just turned 122k.

Yeah, thinking in retrospect, I do recall a few warning signs...
-When I bought the truck, the owner recently replaced a cracked radiator...
-Once when offroading it in July, It began to overheat, so I blasted the heater with windows down and got off the trail as quickly as possible...
-It began puffing light colored smoke while just off of idle and when driving around town (more than just the valve seal smoke)....
-A few weeks ago when backing my loaded trailer up the hill, it began belching light gray smoke practically filling the yard. But engine temp was fine...

[theicecreampeople]

get that thing done .....we leave for PINS friday ,,,,

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'll have to venture a guess that I'll probably MISS the PINS trip....

[LaOutbackTrail]

Btw, I was able to buy a new intake plenum second hand... when we removed the plenum, you could shake it and hear the butterflies rattling around!!!:Wow1: I'm going to try to take a vid so you can see/hear them.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I dropped off the cylinder heads to be cleaned and tested. Hoping to hear back from the shop this week.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Does anyone know of a reputable fuel injector cleaning service?

[scrubber3]

If you have the injectors out, you can clean them manually.

[Silverwulf]

Just a FYI you guys, My dad has a full machine shop. Heads, valves, rods, flywheels, European, some japanese and even british motorcycles. Excellent work, very fair prices. PM me if you want his contact info. He is in Nor-cal, but thats why we have ups, right :)

[LaOutbackTrail]

My limitation at the moment is time. I only have saturdays to work on my junk.... And by "had the heads dropped off" that means my wife brought them. Haha

[LaOutbackTrail]

I also need to replace one coil pack if anyone has one good one?

[1911]

Does anyone know of a reputable fuel injector cleaning service?

Scott, I've used these guys in the past and was very pleased with their service and quick turn-around: http://www.witchhunter.com/

[zukrider]

BG 44K

[t4rman]

Wow. This is going to be a sweet Monty when your finished. There were some great looking Nissan Patrols at ox12 that made me think of your rig. It's has a lot more potential than most people think. If you need a hand with anything shoot me a pm.

[LaOutbackTrail]

BG 44K

??

[Dgurley2000]

??

102033

Looks like some kind of energy drink to keep you going late into the night while you're working on this project!

[PirateMcGee]

I second witchhunter

[scrubber3]

BG is good stuff. I used to use it when I was wrenching for a living. It works for sure.

[zukrider]

BG is the best **** on the market, hands down! napa sells it. better to try and hook up with a distributor though, they have swag, and better prices. if you can find a shop that does BG services, they have an excellent fuel system treatment. but at least, run 44K every month or 4th tank of gas. hell, even once a year is gonna do a lot for you!

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'm not a big fan of any additives... I'll likely have the injectors cleaned and tested or I'll clean them myself.

[Monterorider]

Clean piston is often indicator where coolant was entering. Evaporating water blows away carbon deposits.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Yep

[LaOutbackTrail]

Getting the heads back Monday-ish.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I just picked up the cylinder heads from the machine shop. A respectable $177 and they did a great job. Cleaned, pump tested, replaced valve seals, surfaced, and lapped two valves.
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And the mounting surface of the block. This surface looked like the one in the background. (EDIT: I cleaned the block surfaces, not machine shop)
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[scrubber3]

You got a great deal man. They did a good job. Bet you're stoked huh?


Sent from my iPad

[LaOutbackTrail]

You got a great deal man. They did a good job. Bet you're stoked huh?


Sent from my iPad

Stoked for sure. Pulling the oil pan tonight to inspect the bottom end.

[ElRob]

I'm ready to see this on the trail. I haven't seen her in action since I've joined the overland community.

[1911]

Looks real purdy Scott. We can thank the Japanese for making four-valve-per-cylinder motors reliable and cheap. A very efficient head design.

[Monterorider]

Beautiful

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'm ready to see this on the trail. I haven't seen her in action since I've joined the overland community.
In due time. Summer is upon us.... and its gonna be hot!


Looks real purdy Scott. We can thank the Japanese for making four-valve-per-cylinder motors reliable and cheap. A very efficient head design. Thanks Lee. Can we thank them for that? So far so good. But by golly, we needed three Japanese 9 year old girls remove the motor from the truck....


Beautiful

She sure is!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Some of today's progress
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Chasing (re tapping/cleaning) the threads of the head bolt holes.

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New head gasket


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Installing the cams
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And how I left it tonight....

[LaOutbackTrail]

I never sent the injectors in to be cleaned.... and I'm starting to run out of cash. So I'm taking a chance here and after lots of internet research, I'm going to attempt cleaning the injectors myself. I won't have any fancy flow ratings, but will have clean injectors none the less. Injectors are basically solenoids that open an close passing pressurized gas through a tiny valve. So I'm going to mimic the action by opening the solenoid manually, while allowing a pressurized solvent to flow through.

I've already cleaned my injectors in a ultrasonic cleaner filled with degreaser, shined them up nicely.
Here's the actuator rig I just finished building.

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I still need to research the voltage that goes to the injector so that I don't burn it up. But basically, the plan is to connect to a small motorcycle battery and actuate the injector via tapping a momentary switch. I'll have another rig setup to flow the solvent and air. So far, my plan is to use about 12" of fuel line filled with carb cleaner (or denatured alcohol) then press the air nozzle into the hose applying the necessary PSI (yet to be determined), expelling any junk inside.

[off-roader]

Just did a quick google search for What Voltage for Fuel Injectors and found this page... http://www.autodiagnosticsandpublishing.com/feature/fuel-injector-testing.htm
May be helpful for you. Seems very technical though. Not sure if you have an oscope at your disposal.

[LaOutbackTrail]

.... Actually........... I didn't think of that...

But, its a $4000 rig and I don't want to bring it home and dont want to clean injectors at work...

[red87]

Clever work with that injector cleaner

[LaOutbackTrail]

It's sexy and you know it.
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We got it timed up this morning, then stood back and admired the artwork.

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As of this evening, she's ready to go into the truck.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Oh and the sonic bath plus my goofy injector cleaning rig worked just fine!

[vanisl4runner]

Art work! Absolutely. But I heard it said once that cars can't be art....but true beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So for me and possibly you, the whole vehicle is an art form. Good job on that engine rebuild. Can't believe your little device to "tap" the injectors. That's the phase we use at the injection shop I just started at. I'll have to show that one to the boss.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Art work! Absolutely. But I heard it said once that cars can't be art....but true beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So for me and possibly you, the whole vehicle is an art form. Good job on that engine rebuild. Can't believe your little device to "tap" the injectors. That's the phase we use at the injection shop I just started at. I'll have to show that one to the boss.

Thanks.

the injector rig is very very simple. Two lengths of wire, positive wire goes from battery to injector while the negative side has the momentary switch. Switch is attached to a project box (bought at Radioshack) to connections would be hidden and make the project more pro looking. Like I said, it worked great!

[Clem]

:clapsmile

Can't wait for you to get her buttoned up and tell us all how much more you love your Monty!

Clem

[LaOutbackTrail]

Oh and just an FYI... for all the nay sayers who though it was unnecessary to pull the motor... we are so glad we did.

Here are some of the issues that we found that could have potentially been trip enders.


Head Gasket
Leaking coolant crossover pipes- several bad o-rings.
Oil cap ring INSIDE the valve cover (layin between a couple of cams/ springs)
Cracked water heater hoses
Majority of bolts out of torque spec, very loose. All bolts were re-torqued back to FSM spec.
And...??? I'm missing something...

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[Dgurley2000]

Good work, looks like you will enjoy lots of worry free miles. Were your heater hoses accessible while the engine was mounted? Did you get a new radiator, water pump, thermostat? Did you get the heads ported and polished? I'm curious to see if there's a perceived performance improvement along with the reliability.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Yes! That was the major burden which prompted this exercise. I want to be able to trust the rig to go wherever my heart desires.
The heater hoses aren't easily accessible with the motor in the engine bay. You know, without hiring a 12 year old Japanese contortionist.

I am proud to admit, everything I bought with the exception of one item was manufactured in Japan. Some items even came stamped with Three Diamonds! ;) The truck had a new radiator from previous owner. We replaced the water pump with an Aisin pump, it even had a reflective polish on it, and I replaced the thermostat last year. The heads were cleaned, two valves were lapped and one was decked 1/1000th of an inch, just to even it out. Nothing was done to increase performance. Reliability via stock specifications was what I was after.

We did learn that something was wrong with the truck or motor before. As there was little wear in this motor, and very little build up. The previous owner's (an upper middle class business man) sensible son used this for a year or two for college, and had all maintenance records from the first owner and his ownership. Plus, I did a car-fax report prior to purchase which showed all maintenance performed at a mitsubishi dealer. The issue that we discovered was that the motor had been removed and or replaced at some point... and after thinking about it, typing out this message really, I think I figured it out. The timing belt was replaced at 72,000 miles and the truck was then sold before 76000 miles. I'm speculating here, but due to the timing belt service interval being 60,000 miles, I'm now thinking that the motor was rebuilt or replaced after the timing belt (speculatively thinking) broke at 72k.

Regardless, I do intend to enjoy another 60k of worry free miles. And if something does fail, this exercise has prepared me for being able to figure out the reparations.

[off-roader]

If the dealership is still around, they may be willing to tell you what service was done during the timing belt change.:)

[jsmarine]

Nice work Scott, cant wait to see that engine back in the truck! Be sure to take a video of its first start up!

[off-roader]

Nice work Scott, cant wait to see that engine back in the truck! Be sure to take a video of its first start up!

Duh... I forgot... Kudos on doing all that work yourself!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Duh... I forgot... Kudos on doing all that work yourself!

Couldn't do it without my good buddy Tom, who owns a 3rd gen Monty and a first gen Trooper, btw. He's the Jedi... I'm just the apprentice.

[Dgurley2000]

You should be proud of yourself. Do you think you learned enough to do the next one yourself?

[LaOutbackTrail]

You should be proud of yourself. Do you think you learned enough to do the next one yourself?

The devil is in the details, as they say. My problem is that I'm most likely ADD (no I don't have an doctor's excuse) and would likely forget something, or tighten bolts out of sequence or perform some minute detail that would cause issues. That being said, I'm confident I could do the timing belt job by myself. Hopefully the next major vehicle work I'll be doing will be on an FJ40. But that looks to be a couple years away.

[Bones]

Couldn't do it without my good buddy Tom, who owns a 3rd gen Monty and a first gen Trooper, btw. He's the Jedi... I'm just the apprentice.
Thanks, bro.
It was my pleasure. Glad I can help!
Now the fuss of putting it back in............

[Bones]

Oh and just an FYI... for all the nay sayers who though it was unnecessary to pull the motor... we are so glad we did.

Here are some of the issues that we found that could have potentially been trip enders.


Head Gasket
Leaking coolant crossover pipes- several bad o-rings.
Oil cap ring INSIDE the valve cover (layin between a couple of cams/ springs)
Cracked water heater hoses
Majority of bolts out of torque spec, very loose. All bolts were re-torqued back to FSM spec.
And...??? I'm missing something...

Yup, you forgot the original problem: #6: extremely leaking valve seals.
#7: Loose driver's main motor mount bolt......(not good)
#8: Missing bolts between the transmission and the engine (not detrimental, but, well........)
#9: Tons of other little misc. things pointing to the fact that someone had been into the engine before.................which makes you worry about: a) why were they in there?, and b) what did they do incorrectly while they were there?

Good news is that we corrected everything that was out of spec or of questionable repair. You'll have many trouble free miles ahead, AND you'll know EXACTLY what you have going on under the hood.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Yeah, that stuff too.... :Wow1:

[off-roader]

Only the headgasket would be trip ending. The rest are 'potentially' trip ending although I'd have also preferred to fix them all if I could. Good job!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Only the headgasket would be trip ending. The rest are 'potentially' trip ending although I'd have also preferred to fix them all if I could. Good job!

Well, now that I know about the crossover pipes, If I see a fair amount of leakage, I'll know where to check. Otherwise, before this experience, I would have assumed maybe a head cracked, leaking coolant. If you haven't seen these pipes, let me know I'll try to get a show you what I'm talking about. They're under the plenum and across the back of the motor. In my opinion, not something to dig into in the field= trip ender. But yes, the majority of the list are just that "potentials".

[off-roader]

Well, now that I know about the crossover pipes, If I see a fair amount of leakage, I'll know where to check. Otherwise, before this experience, I would have assumed maybe a head cracked, leaking coolant. If you haven't seen these pipes, let me know I'll try to get a show you what I'm talking about.

If you have pics please post them as I'm sure many will have no idea what part you're talking about.

[GrassCat]

107821

[LaOutbackTrail]

107820
Tiny pic there bud...

[GrassCat]

Yeah,
when I copied ASA it included both of my monitors and I could not delete the post as you where to quick to respond. :)

107822

[LaOutbackTrail]

Sorry about that. I get the instant email alert. :sombrero:

To be more specific:
107926
The O-rings highlighted in the diagram were broken and or missing from the pipe. The ones remaining were brittle and crumbled in hand, think of a pretzel. Each were leaking, and likely not spewing coolant because of the subsequent oxidized build up around each junction. These pipes are what feed the water passages in each cylinder head!

[mrwizard]

Your SR, even with the challenges you've had with it, is inspiring. Thanks.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Your SR, even with the challenges you've had with it, is inspiring. Thanks.

Thanks. It's been fun. Can't wait to start exploring in the truck!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Hey guys, just an FYI!
https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/428438_793459394471_147181838_n.jpg
Chilton's manual 50500 1983-1995 Mitsubishi Pickups and Montero.

I wrote in the correct sequence.

[off-roader]

You know you can download the factory service manual for free right? See Mitsubishilinks.com and use that POS for fire starter/kindling instead unless you're trying to discover their many errors...

[LaOutbackTrail]

Dude, see my other post.

YES, I know about the digital FSM, but I also have a printed version. The FSM IS NOT CLEAR about firing sequence, and the daggum Chiltons has a big *** diagram showing it plain as day. Trust me we're pretty pissed about it as it caused too much undue stress. The Chilton was a secondary reference only, that i paid $3 for.

[LaOutbackTrail]

So, after a couple of bone head moves the truck is purring nicely after a full rebuild.

Bone head move 1) whoops no plug in radiator.
Bone head move 2) plug wires in the wrong spot. Misfire.
Bone head move 3) vacuum lines crossed. No brakes and high idle. Switched and she's good to go!

1 and 3 were errors in haste. Everything else was by the book, using the FSM's torque specs and details. There wasn't a clear answer in the FSM regarding the firing sequence (that we found anyways) so resorting to the Chilton's manual, we used the plain as day firing sequence. R-O-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sheesh! After pondering scenarios, we decided to check the sequence again. Uncle google was our friend so we found several analogous diagrams and gave it a shot. Try two was better but still missing and not full power and then switched the wires again as we weren't certain what the current order was. Sure enough full power and not missing...and high idle! And..... still no brakes.

After scratching our asses for a bit we had a look and the vacuum lines coming from the intake plenum, and thought maybe two were backwards. Sure enough we switched them and a purring she went!

But, the crossed vacuum lines caused one major issue... too much crank case pressure causing the brand new rear main seal to leak. We're hoping that it didn't force the seal out of its seat, as that will cause another day of work that we DO NOT want to do. I'm hoping and praying that its now fixed as now that the vac hoses are right and not over pressuring the case. We'll see.

Before I can start driving the truck more, I'll need to check all of the fluid levels one more time. By the way we did the transmission flush as well with brand new Mitsu ATF, aka RED GOLD!

We're all excited to have the family adventure wagon in top running order and ready to take its inaugural voyage soon!

[1911]

... the truck is purring nicely after a full rebuild.
...
We're all excited to have the family adventure wagon in top running order and ready to take its inaugural voyage soon!

Congratulations Scott, good job!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Thanks Lee. I know your situation at the moment is sketchy for trips, but we're looking at doing Thanksgiving week in Big Bend, if you're interested we'd love to have you!

I'm hoping to pick up a second hand Safari Snorkel this week and will begin the process of painting the truck. I'll also be installing a set of hood louvers and maybe a hood scoop. I have access to several Magnahelic gauges to test air pressure and will give it a go to see where its most beneficial to install the louvers and if i would benefit with a hood scoop also.

[off-roader]

How much were the ARB HD springs you bought previously? I may be in line for a set in the not to distant future since I'm sure my stock springs will begin to sag at some point.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I don't remember the exact $ amount, but I think mine were less than $200. Give Jacque at TRDParts4u.com a call he'll hook you up with a fair price. Tell him I sent you. 866-233-4305

[LaOutbackTrail]

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I removed the plastic trim in preparation for paint. This will be the last pic you guys see for a little while.....:snorkel:

[1911]

I removed the plastic trim in preparation for paint. This will be the last pic you guys see for a little while.....:snorkel:

What color is it going to be Scott?

[LaOutbackTrail]

What color is it going to be Scott?

Nothing spectacular, but something NOT blue. And yes, painting the inside too.

[mrwizard]

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I removed the plastic trim in preparation for paint. This will be the last pic you guys see for a little while.....:snorkel:

Man, that looks great without the lower trim and flares...very Disco-esque. Can you take a picture of the rear quarter panel with the flares removed? How many holes would have to be filled to leave the flares off?

I'm excited to see what color you pick.

[mrwizard]

Also, did your's have a factory rack on top that you took off for your basket or was it rackless? If so, what did you do to fill the holes on the roof? Thanks.

[off-roader]

Man, that looks great without the lower trim and flares...very Disco-esque. Can you take a picture of the rear quarter panel with the flares removed? How many holes would have to be filled to leave the flares off?

I'm excited to see what color you pick.

If you don't want the flares, you can always just buy the stock or LS trim level. Only the SR comes with the fender flares.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Also, did your's have a factory rack on top that you took off for your basket or was it rackless? If so, what did you do to fill the holes on the roof? Thanks.

It had the rack. Filled the holes with RTV, lots of it. Be sure to spread it out passed the edges of the hole by about a 1/8-1/4"

[off-roader]

Also, did your's have a factory rack on top that you took off for your basket or was it rackless? If so, what did you do to fill the holes on the roof? Thanks.
Rtv works but a 1/4-20 bolt is easier to remove should you decide to use them for something later on down the line. I used the plastic ones available from HD because they had the smallest heads. Yes those are 1/4-20 bolt holes. ;)

[LaOutbackTrail]

That's great and all, but I wasn't up and still not for dropping the head liner.... Plus, most of the capture nuts were pulled out with the roof rack... all frozen solid.

[off-roader]

That's great and all, but I wasn't up and still not for dropping the head liner.... Plus, most of the capture nuts were pulled out with the roof rack... all frozen solid.
Ouch. The captive nuts on my rig are still there. They also spun in place when i first tried to remove the rack but when I pushed down on the bolts as I turned them, the nuts stopped spinning. That was a trick that Grasscat taught me.

[ninjlao]

Yes! That was the major burden which prompted this exercise. I want to be able to trust the rig to go wherever my heart desires.
The heater hoses aren't easily accessible with the motor in the engine bay. You know, without hiring a 12 year old Japanese contortionist.

I am proud to admit, everything I bought with the exception of one item was manufactured in Japan. Some items even came stamped with Three Diamonds! ;) The truck had a new radiator from previous owner. We replaced the water pump with an Aisin pump, it even had a reflective polish on it, and I replaced the thermostat last year. The heads were cleaned, two valves were lapped and one was decked 1/1000th of an inch, just to even it out. Nothing was done to increase performance. Reliability via stock specifications was what I was after.

We did learn that something was wrong with the truck or motor before. As there was little wear in this motor, and very little build up. The previous owner's (an upper middle class business man) sensible son used this for a year or two for college, and had all maintenance records from the first owner and his ownership. Plus, I did a car-fax report prior to purchase which showed all maintenance performed at a mitsubishi dealer. The issue that we discovered was that the motor had been removed and or replaced at some point... and after thinking about it, typing out this message really, I think I figured it out. The timing belt was replaced at 72,000 miles and the truck was then sold before 76000 miles. I'm speculating here, but due to the timing belt service interval being 60,000 miles, I'm now thinking that the motor was rebuilt or replaced after the timing belt (speculatively thinking) broke at 72k.

Regardless, I do intend to enjoy another 60k of worry free miles. And if something does fail, this exercise has prepared me for being able to figure out the reparations.

I read through this entire thread, and noticed you said that you want to enjoy a worry free 60k miles after your rebuild. Is this really how long the motor is good for? It seems like you had some problems that could have been potentially dangerous if you did not do the full rebuild. I am really looking into this vehicle but then Im really afraid of reliability issues.... I have read reviews on this board and several other webpages that the 1995 Montero SR is pretty much indestructible. But at the same time I have talked to mechanics in my area, and they have told me to stay away from Mitsubishi. And one mechanic told me about the problems specific to the Montero, ranging from burning oil, noisy hydrolic lifters, and a badly designed coolant routing system to the motor in general.

Any input is appreciated!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Welcome to expo!

Let me break it down for you

I read through this entire thread, and noticed you said that you want to enjoy a worry free 60k miles after your rebuild. Is this really how long the motor is good for? It seems like you had some problems that could have been potentially dangerous if you did not do the full rebuild.
The 60k miles is the timing belt service interval. The truck should be good, barring any unforeseen problems, upon reassembly everything was in good shape. The potential problems were likely due to a shoddy half-assed fixin of something. What happened? I don't know. Our best guess is that the timing belt broke at 70-80k and a used engine was just stuck in there. Stuff was shoddily done. Motor is good now.


I am really looking into this vehicle but then Im really afraid of reliability issues.... I have read reviews on this board and several other webpages that the 1995 Montero SR is pretty much indestructible. But at the same time I have talked to mechanics in my area, and they have told me to stay away from Mitsubishi. And one mechanic told me about the problems specific to the Montero, ranging from burning oil, noisy hydrolic lifters, and a badly designed coolant routing system to the motor in general.

Any input is appreciated!
Monteros are good trucks. Japanese quality. They have issues just like every other vehicle ever made. Fix the issues, or find one without, and you'll have a good truck. Remember I paid a measley $1500 for a truck I knew had issue.

[GrassCat]

But at the same time I have talked to mechanics in my area, and they have told me to stay away from Mitsubishi. And one mechanic told me about the problems specific to the Montero, ranging from burning oil, noisy hydrolic lifters, and a badly designed coolant routing system to the motor in general.


What a bunch of crap. You can find a problem with any vehicle out there and the Montero is no different. When a mechanic starts talking this kind of smack, I start to question his knowledge or the lack of.

Read this post if you have not and make up you own mine. It talks about the good and the bad of this truck. http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/80850-Good-Aussie-article-on-the-Pajeros-Monteros

[ninjlao]

Thanks for all your help. Im very excited to get this truck. I have always been a sport compact guy and I figured it would be nice to be able to tow around a few of my track cars. At the same time I obviously want to go on offroad expeditions. The montero seems like the best to suit my needs.

And it is not that my mechanic is talking smack, if a vehicle has hydrolic lifters it only makes sense for them to eventually go out, also any car can burn oil, I was just seeing how prone it is, and I figured this is the best place to ask.

I just want to make sure that if properly maintained the truck will last forever.

Once again thanks!

[red87]

You may not be aware but the montero is the winningest model at the Dakar Rally. You don't win that kind of race 14 times (?) without being reliable. This was when the vehicles were much closer to stock than they are now too.

[ninjlao]

Actually I was very curious about this. Is there any writeup or anything on what modifications were made to the Monteros that were in the Dakar Rally? I am especially interested in any of the suspension modifications and specs done.

[off-roader]

You may not be aware but the montero is the winningest model at the Dakar Rally. You don't win that kind of race 14 times (?) without being reliable. This was when the vehicles were much closer to stock than they are now too.

12 wins total including 7 which were consecutive victories (85-92-93-97-98-01-02-03-04-05-06-07). Many of those wins were with the standard Pajero/Montero chassis and some with the racing Lancer body. Unfortunately with the bad economic situation Mitsubishi cut all their racing budget in 2009 and did not have any further factory sponsorships.

Yes, I keep that kind of info in my memory banks... (thank you wikipedia and google) LOL


Actually I was very curious about this. Is there any writeup or anything on what modifications were made to the Monteros that were in the Dakar Rally? I am especially interested in any of the suspension modifications and specs done.
Haven't seen much on that. Tried searching but without too much luck as you could imagine since the racing world is extremely competitive and they probably wouldn't share too much info like that in the public.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Yeah, and cost prohibitive. Unless you're planning on racing a Montero will full safety systems, performance tuned motor and the like, you might as well write it off as being unobtainium. They were factory sponsored trucks with a pretty hefty budget. And like Red said, they were the winners back when they were close to stock! I for one am a big fan of a vehicle that is capable of competing in such a grueling race, in close to stock format.

Who care's about Robby Gordon's 1300hp hummer POS. Brute force and ignorance is not the way I play the game..... but I've also never been a fan of chess.

Does any of that make any sense... I feel like I went incoherent for a minute there...

[red87]

Actually I was very curious about this. Is there any writeup or anything on what
modifications were made to the Monteros that were in the Dakar Rally? I am especially interested in any of the suspension modifications and specs done.

You and me both :)

[LaOutbackTrail]

Its 107* outside.... and I'm wearing a respirator painting the truck.....

[LaOutbackTrail]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/314823_800770088781_155070642_n.jpg

Long, hot day today! But, the first couple of coats are on. Will need to do some sanding tomorrow and give it another go.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576135_800780188541_1670086140_n.jpg

Here is a glossy B&W sneak peak for you guys!

[Dgurley2000]

Isn't there a maximum temperature requirement for most paints? Seems like somewhere around 90*? What type of paint setup do you have? HVLP? What paint are you using? What process are you using? Primer, color, clear, wet sanding, etc.? Have any idea what you're gong to spend? Hoping you have great results!

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'm actually using rattle cans... [crowd gasps!]. Used Rustoleum automotive primer followed by rustoleum. I'll then use Rustoleum automotive clear. Sanding (wet) in between coats. First two coats are down and will be doing a light sand here momentarily. I still have the passenger side door jambs to spray as well as the rear hatch. Total cost so far is under 200. If I went with automotive paint, primer, base color, and clear plus all of the other chemicals, i would have spent closer to $400.... Not happening!

Unfortunately, the sanding experience left something to be desired... I got impatient and used a 7" disc and went to town. Burned down into the metal and have gouges all over the place. Tried fixing with heavy primer and sanding... still visible. Then tried bondo.... too hot for bondo. So I said fk it and will live with a 20footer paint job. That's what most photos of rigs are anyways. Besides, I'm sure I'll remove half the paint on my first trip to Arkansas or Big Bend.

[scrubber3]

Nothing wrong with that man. You're building a specific type of rig. No need throwing paint on it that you will worry about when the tree limbs come a calling.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Nothing wrong with that man. You're building a specific type of rig. No need throwing paint on it that you will worry about when the tree limbs come a calling.

Exactly. I'm doing it right, but on the cheap. If it falls off within a couple years (doubt it) then I'll just spend the 4 + days and do it again!

[Tim.plante]

just finished my hood with Rustoleum...still need to put a clear coat on it...debating if i want to wax it to help protect it from the sun...still a nice in between project for when i dont feel like getting covered in engine gunk before dinner

112308

[off-roader]

112308

Nice! It's Ferrari (or is it Mitsbishi) Red...

[Tim.plante]

Still Mitsu red shes just a lil dirty...only part that got cleaned since i put her in the shop was the hood where i painted...

[LaOutbackTrail]

Still Mitsu red shes just a lil dirty...only part that got cleaned since i put her in the shop was the hood where i painted...

Cool. I'm debating on doing 'blackout' like that... but it may clash with the rest of the truck...

[Tim.plante]

Cool. I'm debating on doing 'blackout' like that... but it may clash with the rest of the truck...

I wasn't sure at first but that heat mark on the hood had to go so i went on with it. Im still worried about the fact that black absorbs sunlight and therefore heat, but ill probably put a good wax on it to help protect it from that...but done in a night and a half and looks pretty good.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I wasn't sure at first but that heat mark on the hood had to go so i went on with it. Im still worried about the fact that black absorbs sunlight and therefore heat, but ill probably put a good wax on it to help protect it from that...but done in a night and a half and looks pretty good.

Start a thread about your truck man! We want to see it! Be sure to post good pictures!

[Tim.plante]

Start a thread about your truck man! We want to see it! Be sure to post good pictures!

Will do...still have stuff packed up from when we moved in early June and i think the camera is still packed up so for now i only have my iphone...planing on getting my head gasket put back on this weekend and get it all put back together

[LaOutbackTrail]

Is there no auto cutoff for the lights in the montero? Ie. after 15 minutes- an hour? Drained the battery when I left the doors open when I painted the door seals... whoops...

But more importantly, I'll need to remember this problem if out in the bush...

[Dgurley2000]

Dual, isolated batteries might be a good option.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Dual, isolated batteries might be a good option.

I will, at some point, add a dual battery system. Unfortunately, real estate is limited under the hood, and I haven't figured out any definitive options yet. Well, I guess I have three options which I am considering. One is modifying the stock battery tray, and running two smaller batteries side by side. There is a tiny spot near firewall on passenger side, it'd require some more custom fab work and rearranging some components. Option three is a battery inside the rig... which I don't really like.

This is really one area where Monteros are limited, I think, the real estate under the hood.

[LaOutbackTrail]

In the next couple of months I'll be working on a small sliding drawer and cargo divider in the rear of the vehicle. I'll need the drawer to carry the recovery gear and tools that already live in the truck. Keeping the size down will hopefully advocate a less is more attitude in the space available in the rear cargo area. I'll eventually add a fridge when funds allow, which will consume too much valuable space.

The cargo divider is, in my opinion a very necessary tool to protect my most precious possessions in the back seat.... The cargo area, drawers, and divider will look similar to this.
http://philiplandowski.com/gallery2/main.php/d/1600-2/P6132292b.jpg
But.... I anticipate the drawers to be 1/2 to 2/3 smaller than the one in this pic. The barrier will be functionally the same and will go to just below the top of the back seat.

[LaOutbackTrail]

David, do you have a barrier in your cruiser? If so what'd you use?

[Dgurley2000]

I will, at some point, add a dual battery system. Unfortunately, real estate is limited under the hood, and I haven't figured out any definitive options yet. Well, I guess I have three options which I am considering. One is modifying the stock battery tray, and running two smaller batteries side by side. There is a tiny spot near firewall on passenger side, it'd require some more custom fab work and rearranging some components. Option three is a battery inside the rig... which I don't really like.

This is really one area where Monteros are limited, I think, the real estate under the hood.

Another option is the frame rails. I have a battery mounted on my drivers-side slider. I also don't like the idea of batteries venting in the interior.

[Dgurley2000]

David, do you have a barrier in your cruiser? If so what'd you use?

Have a 1/3 barrier from Speski Offroad - recommended by Ben. Had worked great so far and required zero drilling:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/vendor-marketplace/376809-speski-off-road-cargo-barrier.html

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'm not sure the frame rail area will be an option for me to consider. Limited space there also plus I'd be afraid of damaging it.


Regarding the barrier, I'm taking design cues from that one too. Thankfully the Montero has a bolting location on the lower walls (as seen in the pic I posted earlier.) I'll likely add the triangles like Speski did, top and bottom, to give added rigidity and strength. My girls are indeed my most precious cargo after all.

[Monterorider]

Just a word of caution. Don't put recovery gear into drawer behind cargo barrier. Speaking from personal experience. I once slid of the trail with back door practically jammed against a tree with no way to open it. I've had enclosed storage compartment without drawers so I was able to remove back cover after folding rear seat and access my straps, tree protector etc. Other time I was stuck in mud hole up to middle of spare on rear door. Seals held surprisingly well. I would hate to open rear door being there though. Oh an on couple other occassions rear door latch failed preventing door from being opened. That wasn't a recovery situation but could be just as well.

I always carry recovery gear easily accessible winch remote/shackles/snatch block in compartment under rear seat, straps and tree protector elsewhere easily accessible.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I've been there too... actually. But won't have many other options with two kids in the back seat... The hatches under the back seat are limited. But, I am a jack of all trades and might be able to use my ingenuity to figure something out. Like an emergency hatch in the top of the drawers. May require taking the kids out plus all the gear in the back, but if the situation calls for it.....

Find a problem, explore solutions and opportunities for improvement. Or as they say, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

[off-roader]

I've been there too... actually. But won't have many other options with two kids in the back seat... The hatches under the back seat are limited. But, I am a jack of all trades and might be able to use my ingenuity to figure something out. Like an emergency hatch in the top of the drawers. May require taking the kids out plus all the gear in the back, but if the situation calls for it.....

Find a problem, explore solutions and opportunities for improvement. Or as they say, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Put your snatch strap on the roof. Snatchblock, D-ring shackles, & winch control in the cubby hole under the middle row seats. Or you can take the drawer out of the bottom of the passenger seat and put it all under there.:)

[LaOutbackTrail]

Yeah, I'll figure it out. 99% of the time I wont need the gear, so I'm looking at it from that perspective. If I go on a trail that may require a tug or winch, sure it makes sense to have the necessary items at the ready. In the mean time, it can go safely in the drawer in the back...

[Clem]

LaOutbackTrail,

I'm on the hunt for some new tires (or new to me) tires and was wondering how your duratracs are wearing? They are 33x12.5 on the stock rim correct? Have you developed any odd wear patterns from running 12.5" wide tires on a 7" rim? How many miles have you put on them?

Thanks for your time,

Clem

[LaOutbackTrail]

I bought the truck with 117k. I'll be rolling over 123k shortly. I bought the tires used a week or two after I bought the truck... with about 3000 miles on them, they now have ~9000 miles on them.

Nothing unusual is noticeable yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the center wears faster. I'll probably go with a 285 75 16 tire on 16inch wheels the next go around, but will probably stay with the Duratracs.

Long story short, I haven't driven enough miles to give a definitive answer.

[motoz]

Great thread mate. The 'Monty' is a popular vehicle over here in Oz. There badged Pajero though.

Will follow your build with interest.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Great thread mate. The 'Monty' is a popular vehicle over here in Oz.
Will follow your build with interest.
Thanks!


There badged Pajero though.

Comming soon to a Montero near you....
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/s720x720/208922_801435610071_920953789_n.jpg

[LaOutbackTrail]

So... I managed to fracture a bone in my shoulder.... anyone want to be my left hand man and help me finish the truck up??

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/313923_802342342971_1666019957_n.jpg

[off-roader]

Ouch. Sorry to hear that.

BTW, instead of the vinyl decal... you can buy new OEM Gen II Pajero badges from overseas sellers on ebay for pretty cheap ($14) and the font will match your SR markings.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitsubishi-Pajero-SideMark-Badge-Emblem-Decal-Gold-/130493726685?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e62083fdd

[LaOutbackTrail]

FYI: No need for a vinyl decal... you can buy new OEM Pajero badges from overseas sellers on ebay and the font will match your SR markings.
Really? Shucks....Already bought those....

Black 3m Reflective. What I wanted.:p

Expo member gahi cut them for me. Quick response and turn around... shoot him a PM if you want one he has it on file. http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/members/12734-gahi

[off-roader]

Really? Shucks....Already bought those....

Black 3m Reflective. What I wanted.:p

Expo member gahi cut them for me. Quick response and turn around... shoot him a PM if you want one he has it on file. http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/members/12734-gahi

Yeah, I have a local contact who can do them for me also. He did my Dakar one (see below) and my upside-down "If you can read this... please turn me over" decal
112888

[LaOutbackTrail]

Look what followed me home....

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/376330_803170094151_1591549221_n.jpg

[sandalscout]

SWEET!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Sounds like it has a seized bottom end, the starter can't quite turn the motor over but it does rotate a bit. It may be salvageable. Will yank it and check for heating and decide if it is indeed useable. But, I sure as crap won't be doing anything till the weather cools off. Too many days in the +106* garage working on the Montero. No worries, not planning to replace or sell the Montero. But my wife, daughter, and I loved our previous FJ62 and were reluctant to sell it. But being unemployed and needing a more reliable vehicle, we didn't have much of an option.

This go around I'm hoping my daughters can drive the cruiser to school... in 10 and 16 years. :)

[off-roader]

Wow!! Sorry to hear about the engine problems. I sure hope it's salvageable.

It's not exactly common to hear this problem. I've had my fair share of abused engines but nothing like that. I'm sure if you get her back in working order, she'll last a long time to come.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I bought (actually traded some stuff) it knowing the condition. Interior and exterior are in fair condition, but it'll be fine.

The options I'm considering, whenever I finish setting up the Montero, are:

Rebuild/replace the 3FE and install 4spd or 5spd Toyota manual. H41/42 or H55
Tune an OM617 Mercedes diesel to match or exceed HP and Torque values of the 3FE, mate above transmissions to OM617.
Chevy 5.3L (327) to above transmissions or (haven't researched this) a chevy transmission.

I may begin collecting the parts for this soon... once I weigh the options. Time to get the dry erase board out!

[LaOutbackTrail]

So that you guys can see that I haven't sold the truck... and for those who are interested in what color I went and the progress that's been made..... Still have all of the plastic trim to paint....

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/578825_806117921681_1494136924_n.jpg

Over 300 miles on the rebuild and she's driving great! Much more of a pleasure to drive than the red thing there...

[sandalscout]

Looks good, I like that color!

[njtacoma]

Great color!

[Clem]

Great color...are you going to put all the plastic trim back on or just the fender flares?

Keep up the good work!

Clem

[LaOutbackTrail]

Great color...are you going to put all the plastic trim back on or just the fender flares?

Keep up the good work!

Clem

Putting it all back on. Still painting though, going with satin Krylon Fusion black.

[off-roader]

You gonna paint the bumper end caps also?

[LaOutbackTrail]

Nah, thought i'd leave it to throw people off...

[1911]

Love the tan color!

[Moises Cascante]

Congrats for a really nice rig, I'm planning on getting a Montero by the end of this year and then do something pretty similar to yours. Keep up the good work! Cheers from Costa Rica.
Moises C.

[oryxexpeditions]

If you fold the rear seats up how much length is there front to back? I am 5'7" and want to know if i can sleep in the back.

You'll have no problem. I'm 5'10" and used to sleep in the back of my Montero with my girlfriend. No problems.

David

[LaOutbackTrail]

Congrats for a really nice rig, I'm planning on getting a Montero by the end of this year and then do something pretty similar to yours. Keep up the good work! Cheers from Costa Rica.
Moises C.

Thank you and bienvenidos a Expedition Portal. Donde vives en Costa Rica?

[Moises Cascante]

Muchas gracias por la bienvenida, I'm from San Jose, the Capital of Costa Rica.
I'm planning on building a basic expedition vehicle that I can take almost anywhere here, although there are really nice trails that require extremely modded cars, I'll keep mine as simple and reliable as possible.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Muchas gracias por la bienvenida, I'm from San Jose, the Capital of Costa Rica.
I'm planning on building a basic expedition vehicle that I can take almost anywhere here, although there are really nice trails that require extremely modded cars, I'll keep mine as simple and reliable as possible.

Que bueno! Donde en la ciudad? Yo vivia en San Joaquin de Flores durante un corto tiempo. Y tengo amigos en Ciudad Colon y Grecia.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I finally got the Montero inspected (we're in an emissions testing county) and it passed with pretty good numbers!

FYI I bought the truck in January 2011, inspection was out 8/11, and inspected it yesterday. Of course I've only put ~7000 miles on the truck since January 2011.

[jsmarine]

Scott, lets see some more pictures of your Montero since the new paint job!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Jeff... you've seen the only ones I have.... on facebook.:costumed-smiley-007

[Dgurley2000]

Not all of us are on Facebook! Would like to check it out with everything back together.

[LaOutbackTrail]

OK OK OK....

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/418915_815882623141_1554819950_n.jpg

[Dgurley2000]

What's that big contraption you have connected to the front bumper? :)

[LaOutbackTrail]

http://www.myiconart.com/18712-large/a-team-t-shirt-hannibal-a-plan-comes-together-womens-tee.jpg

[LaOutbackTrail]

What's that big contraption you have connected to the front bumper? :)

An XJ bumper modification crane.

[jsmarine]

An XJ bumper modification crane.

Tonight, after you pour yourself whatever odd alcoholic concoction you've come up with, post some details and pictures on the modification on the ARB bumper please. :)

[LaOutbackTrail]

Basically, I'm just cutting out the old mounts, then putting in new ones. I've cut out the plate for the new mounts, just need to tack them in and get the bigger welder out and get them on, then off to drill the holes....

Since the factory bumpers original mounts actually go through the bumper, I'm going to take the extra precaution of welding in gussets to strengthen the mounting surfaces, allowing for more contact overall.

[eurosonic]

OK OK OK....

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/418915_815882623141_1554819950_n.jpg

Win win win :)

[eurosonic]

Are you planning on painting/powder-coating the bumper?

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'm going to touch up some rusty spots, but overall I like the well used look. :)

[Dgurley2000]

You're a Craigslist ninja?

[LaOutbackTrail]

Couldn't afford the hobby any other way!

[RU55ELL]

The name he gave himself was "pouncer". I would say he is more like a Craigslist panther. :D

[LaOutbackTrail]

No, Sir Pounce A Lot.

[xped]

I just found your thread, sorry I couldn't of given you this info sooner. You need to replace your crankshaft bolt that holds the front pulley on. There is an updated one from Mitsubishi. Mine broke on my SR and was a major PITA. While you have the pulley off replace the roll pin with a solid dowel pin. I'm not sure which brakes first but I assume the pin brakes which allows the pulley to freewheel which backs out the bolt some which ruins the threads on the crankshaft. Otherwise looks great, can't believe how good the rattlecan paint job looks.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Yep.

[RU55ELL]

Sooo.......when is the bumper going to be finished? :D

[t4rman]

I saw a nice looking Monty pulled over helping some poor soul change a flat tire the other day. :bigok: good to see it out and about.

[LaOutbackTrail]

That poor soul was no poor soul at all. A co-worker (up the chain of command) and a major pain in the toosh. Thankfully, I'm just a nice guy and would have helped anyone in the situation! Why didn't you stop?

[off-roader]

Why didn't you stop? LOL.

Both of you are in Denton TX? That's pretty cool.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Yeah, we've known of each other's existence for over a year now but haven't made the opportunity to meet up yet. Dillon, I'll be working on the Monty this weekend mounting that ARB bumper before heading to Arkansas, if you'd like to stop by for a beer and to tell me how I'm doing it rong.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Finally mounted the ARB bumper...
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/541178_829404415361_474661516_n.jpg

Did most of my preps this weekend for our trip this week. Fluid checks, bolt tightening, etc. Started packing spares, kitchen kit, and food. Should be a fun shake down run in the Ozarks.

I still need to cut out a skid plate to guard the front diff...

[LaOutbackTrail]

Shake down run completed. Truck performed honorably without a hiccup.

It rained practically the entire time... we'll be investing in a proper tent soon... but it made for beautiful contrast in the leaves and atmosphere. We had a few water crossings, several tight and technical trails, plenty of mud.
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/602319_832192463091_991685156_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/483036_832155512141_1028582778_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576865_832164204721_1432851907_n.jpg
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/250456_832164439251_1259220637_n.jpg
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/10545_832188466101_1340283340_n.jpg

Take a peak at the rest of the pics, if you wish, HERE (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.832155337491.2143852.62002887&type=1&l=d45f92603c).

[eurosonic]

Oh man, awesome pictures!
Looks like you are in some jungles in South America.
Great setting

[LaOutbackTrail]

Thanks Euro. Arkansas is absolutely beautiful, I'm hoping to get a travel article published in a magazine soon, which was one reason we went on this trip.

The truck performed well. Our packing situation absolutely sucked. We bought a used ARB fridge on our way home and I've been planning the next steps of the build. Next will be a drawer system and cargo barrier. Recovery gear and tools in one drawer and kitchen gear and dry food in the other. On top of the drawers will be the fridge. I'm looking into fabricating my own "load spotter" style slide out for the fridge. Then, we still have clothing for 4 people and a variety of other camping gear to contend with. Any suggestions on that?

[eurosonic]

are you planning on sleeping in the vehicle?

[LaOutbackTrail]

No sir. We're going to go with an RV5 Oztent. It makes the most sense: durability, versatility, weather resistance, etc. On this trip, our oldest daughter slept on the back seat and she was very comfortable with that, infact 100% oblivious to the storm raging outside.... until we crashed her snoozing when we jumped in after our tent collapsed and flooded.........

Edit: the downside to kid sleeping on back seat is that we must crack a couple windows with two kids, the car seats go to the front seats...

[off-roader]

I've also found that quality tents (NorthFace, etc.) can be bought that will handle the elements and is still fairly compact. The heavier the material you choose though, the thicker/more space it consumes rolled up.

For me, my $150-200 Northface 3 person 3 season tent has lasted me over a decade of regular use (2-3 & sometimes 4x per yr) without issues. Of course, I am careful & take good care of it and don't have kids who can wreak havoc on pretty much anything.

[off-roader]

...Our packing situation absolutely sucked. We bought a used ARB fridge on our way home and I've been planning the next steps of the build. Next will be a drawer system and cargo barrier. Recovery gear and tools in one drawer and kitchen gear and dry food in the other. On top of the drawers will be the fridge. I'm looking into fabricating my own "load spotter" style slide out for the fridge. Then, we still have clothing for 4 people and a variety of other camping gear to contend with. Any suggestions on that?

I only pack for 2 and for me it's pretty minimal. I bring mostly shorts, shirts, socks & a couple of pairs of pants for when it gets too cold for shorts. It fits in a typical duffel bag (30x12) with room to spare so I can usually squish it into whatever space I have available and if not, into the 2nd row seats.

Otherwise, it's whoever comes with me's stuff (gf or other at the time of the trip) and my typical 4x4/trip gear. I can usually fit all my cooking/camp gear underneath my platform in rubbermaid bins and I keep light stuff (sleeping bag & mattress) up top and also have my ARB 50L strapped/mounted to the platform. Sometimes (depending on who's with me) stuff is also in the 2nd row seats but usually that's empty with the exception of snack foods.

HTH.

[LaOutbackTrail]

No doubt. I've got eureka backpacking tents that I've had for ages. But, there are other considerations to account for. For me one of the best things about the OzTent is the quick set up time. Their video shows the demonstrator removing the tent from the roof and having it set up in 50 seconds and he was by no means rushing the job... Even my with my simple 3 man coleman, I'm still getting the tent spread out in that time.

So, my logic is a 30-60 second tent that is way more versatile than any other tent. We can use as shade/shelter from rain during lunch or rest stops, baby's nap/feedings, changing clothes, and sleeping. And we can leave it set up at camp, unlike an RTT, and use the vehicle to explore. Normal backpacking tents and ground tents take 5-20 minutes to set up, even my 1 man Eureka tent sets up in about 3 minutes with a two pole design. My biggest gripe is that this is a huge chunk of change. But it's an investment and should last a couple of decades with proper care. Second biggest gripe is the stored length at nearly 6.5ft long. But, I've measured and it will fit diagonally across the roof rack and should be protected (for the most part) from low hanging trail branches. Not to mention there are a variety of accessories available to expand the tent and connect others, thus making it that much more versatile.


It's a tough decision, but I think of it as an investment. I'm hoping to borrow the RV5 from a friend so we can try it for over a week in Big Bend before we commit to the $1100+ for the OzTent.

[GrassCat]

Our packing situation absolutely sucked.

That's why little off road trailer are great. Heck CAP510 even puts his RTT on his. No more junk left in the truck when you go exploring.

Make your own and be done with it.

[soonenough]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/602319_832192463091_991685156_n.jpg

Awesome pic! The truck looks great, I can't believe that's a rattle can paint job.

You wouldn't happen to have any details of exactly what trail(s) you were on?

[LaOutbackTrail]

That's why little off road trailer are great. Heck CAP510 even puts his RTT on his. No more junk left in the truck when you go exploring.

Make your own and be done with it.

I'm battling that decision too. Trailer Cons= ability to carry more junk, more drag on the truck (fuel and performance suffers), difficulty finding parking spots in most places, trail navigation, extra responsibility (potential for 2 more flat tires- although glass half full says 2-3 extra spares in emergency). Pros= keep camping kit ready to go, extra capacity, extra fuel range with spare gas, versatility.

I've neither approved or nixxed the idea of a trailer....

[GrassCat]

I'm talking about a trailer that has a four foot square box and a tongue that's long enough to clear your back door. Yes you could put the same size rim on it as your truck and only carry one spare, but I think that's overkill. I'd Run 13" or 14" trailer tire for what your doing.

I'm planning to get a small pop up tent trailer and make it for expedition adventures. I planning to run 13" or 14" trailer tires.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Awesome pic! The truck looks great, I can't believe that's a rattle can paint job.

You wouldn't happen to have any details of exactly what trail(s) you were on?

Hopefully you'll see an article in the OJ soon. Arkansas is a great destination for Overlanders. We were at 20psi for almost 220 miles! Only used short stints of (beautiful) hwy to connect sections of trails. More to come on that later.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'm talking about a trailer that has a four foot square box and a tongue that's long enough to clear your back door. Yes you could put the same size rim on it as your truck and only carry one spare, but I think that's overkill. I'd Run 13" or 14" trailer tire for what your doing.

I'm planning to get a small pop up tent trailer and make it for expedition adventures. I planning to run 13" or 14" trailer tires.

Those would get shredded in Big Bend and Arkansas...... Unfortunately/fortunately, most of our camping is done at a different location each night.

[off-roader]

Those would get shredded in Big Bend and Arkansas...... Unfortunately/fortunately, most of our camping is done at a different location each night.Just get a small military style trailer and throw your stuff in there.

[t4rman]

That poor soul was no poor soul at all. A co-worker (up the chain of command) and a major pain in the toosh. Thankfully, I'm just a nice guy and would have helped anyone in the situation! Why didn't you stop?

I thought there was an accident when I first saw your truck halfway on the curb! :) I was in a car that couldn't make it over the curb (the 4runner is in the garage for the mean time) and thought that an extra car and person walking around would do more harm than good given the situation. Not to mention I (and I am assuming you) had to get to work and when we eventually do meet up I would rather have some time to chat and check out each other's rig.


Yeah, we've known of each other's existence for over a year now but haven't made the opportunity to meet up yet. Dillon, I'll be working on the Monty this weekend mounting that ARB bumper before heading to Arkansas, if you'd like to stop by for a beer and to tell me how I'm doing it rong.

This is true! Not only do we live in the same town, but we work within 2miles of each other. Thanks for the invite, I just now checked the forum and am bummed I missed the chance to learn a few things.

Lastly, those trip photos are great. It looks like you had a blast. I have yet to venture to Arkansas. Maybe we could get coffee this week and I can pick your brain on good spots to go.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Hah. Yeah, I was using the truck as a shield.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I forgot to mention, we averaged 17hwy on this trip. Fully loaded with gear on roof too... best and lowest being 15/18. We got ~12 offroad at 20psi. Most of the time I was in 2wd or 4wd high, but locked into 4low and dif lock on multiple occasions.

[grandpa]

Have you corrected your speedometer gear for the taller tires? If so, what gear did you use? I need to correct mine for my new tires. Thanks.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I just do calculations... I multiply the trip meter by .17 then add that back to the total mileage then divide by the fuel consumed. This is just a ball park figure, I always round down to the nearest whole or half. I use it more or less to realize any issues and to plan for fuel range and such. As long as I'm consistent it'll work for me.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'm going to begin working on a cargo barrier tomorrow... very similar to this one...
http://philiplandowski.com/gallery2/main.php/d/1600-2/P6132292b.jpg

http://philiplandowski.com/gallery2/main.php/d/1590-2/2110945_G.jpg

I'm still debating on building a platform in the back too....Can't make up my mind. I need a means for fastening a drawer slide for the fridge too... I may make a short platform, just tall enough to fit our folding table under. I definitely won't be doing such a tall drawer system in the back. Been there done that and it doesn't really save space or help with organization in my opinion.

[eurosonic]

Looks great,

Unless you have pets, I dont understand what the barrier is for.

[off-roader]

Looks great,

Unless you have pets, I dont understand what the barrier is for.
To stop stuff you put in back from flying forward and smacking you and your passengers in the back of the head both off road as well as during an emergency stop situation.

[LaOutbackTrail]

To stop stuff you put in back from flying forward and smacking you and your passengers in the back of the head both off road as well as during an emergency stop situation.


Looks great,

Unless you have pets, I dont understand what the barrier is for.

Yep, protect precious cargo....


https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563959_833983778281_516195215_n.jpg

[eurosonic]

Yep, protect precious cargo....


https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563959_833983778281_516195215_n.jpg


ah yes, it that case big YES.

Beautiful family BTW

[t4rman]

I'm looking forward to the final product!

[upcruiser]

Just stumbled accross this build thread. That is a great looking rig, nice work with the build.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Just stumbled accross this build thread. That is a great looking rig, nice work with the build.

Thank you! We're building it for travel and the UP is on the list!

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'm looking forward to the final product!

No such thing!!!

[upcruiser]

Thank you! We're building it for travel and the UP is on the list!

Definately drop me a line if you get up this way and need some local beta.

[LaOutbackTrail]

This weekend I pulled out the welder and chop saw...

Began making my own slide out for the fridge. I'll be working on a tilting function to access it once I build in my drawer system.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/546911_837623444361_807242630_n.jpg

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And started working on a cargo barrier.
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[LaOutbackTrail]

The cargo barrier got mesh, painted, and installed.
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Also tacked some wire mesh to the roof rack to give a decent flooring. Primarily for star gazing, of course.
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/47464_840552998511_908512118_n.jpg

Also, picked this up, cheap.
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/r270/178948_840636341491_455527407_n.jpg
Came with brand new Viking Synthetic (Amsteel Blue) line. Need to clean up the drum, regrease everything, stick it in and wire it up!

Once the truck is further sorted out, i'll get some better pics... maybe from Big Bend in a couple weeks.

[off-roader]

Nice. Looking forward to pics once it's all installed. Also like how you secured the cargo barrier. I bet you can still use the OE handles up there as well. Just might need longer screws is all.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Nice. Looking forward to pics once it's all installed. Also like how you secured the cargo barrier. I bet you can still use the OE handles up there as well. Just might need longer screws is all.

You could certainly use the handles, but from everything I've gathered from researching design ideas, all the real manufactures warn against having passengers in the back while using the cargo barrier. Apparently that's a harder surface to bash your head against than the back of the seat in front of them.

Another plus from the install is I now have more real estate for mounting MOLLE style pouches.

[off-roader]

I wouldn't use them for passengers. Just for something to tie stuff to if it was ever needed.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Pulled the dash apart to see that the mechanisms moving the mixing flap works, and there is a definite sound of the flap moving. Checked the hoses to the heater core. Kinked. straightened them out as best I could.... but still no heat.

Apparently there is an electric switch/motor on the heater core that I need to check, if I can find it. Can anyone confirm its location?

[LaOutbackTrail]

I had a mini-disaster yesterday...

I was working on the cargo management system and decided to take a break. Went to the store (in the wife's car) to pick up brake rotors. Came home to find the plywood on the ground next to the truck... looked up and saw this...
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So I hauled *** down to a junk yard where I knew there was a gen 2.5. I took some measurements and photos of mine because i wasn't certain they were the same. But know now, gen 2.5 rear quarter panel windows are the same as gen 2. https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/311279_843342488351_224443466_n.jpg

Went to junk yard 45 minutes away, pulled the new window, drove home, installed window; in less than 2 hours.

But I did step in human **** at the junk yard. I was quite livid about that. Resulted in getting the window for $40 though. :sombrero: As Forrest Gump said, "**** happens" "...some times"

[eurosonic]

^ wait, so what happened?

[off-roader]

^ wait, so what happened?
Exactly!! How did they break in the first place?

[zukrider]

that makes me want to pull the set off my parts truck before i junk it!

bummer dude!

[zukrider]

would you mind if i "copied" the barrier design a bit?

[LaOutbackTrail]

Wind + plywood + saw horses= failed aeronautical engineering.

You can see a chunk of plywood jammed into the window frame....

[ElRob]

Not too bad. It's been windy here as well. Glad you got it fixed so quick.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Finished up a temp storage solution for the rear cargo area:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/23868_844823939511_69308891_n.jpg

It is temporary, because I will be going back and welding up a 1/2" square tubing frame with 1/2" ply decking.

Packing the truck up this evening, then going to the grocery store.... then off to the wilderness for ~8 days.

[Clem]

Lucky :elkgrin:

[eurosonic]

Bring back many pictures

[ca18_sean]

How hard was replacing the rear windows? I guess it can't be too hard if you did it in a couple hours! Did you reuse the gasket, or how are they sealed? I have solid rear windows on my Montero and I'd like to go to the sliding type so my dogs can get a little air when they're in the back...

[brushogger]

Hey Scott! Just been catching up on your thread. The Mitsu is looking great. I think you will love the OzTent. We have had our RV-5 for about 14 months now, and slept in it 35-40 nights. We have been in 40+ mph winds, snow, and a down pour. The tent never budged or leaked. It's warm in the winter and has great ventilation from all directions withe the rear flap up and windows unzipped. If we make a quick camp and there is no wind, I don't even stake it. It does set up in less than 1 minute in that case. If I stake everything and use the awning and poles it's closer to 5 min. The only downsides are the folded package (6' long x 14"x8") and the weight (about 45 lbs.). I bought one wall for the awning that we have used a a windbreak a couple of times. There are two caveats to this tent. If it is windy, stake it out with the ropes. When folding/unfolding it, don't lift the legs. Keep them next close to ground level. I have read a couple of posts in which the owner raised them to chest level when unfolding and broke the rear hinge pieces. This makes more sense when you actually do it and look at the hinge.
The RV-5 is large enough for our queen size airbed, and when it is pushed into the rear corner, it has about 1 1/2' of space to the front and other side. Also, when carrying it on the roof, turn the bag upside down so the zipper is on the bottom if its raining. It will stay dry as a bone. If the zipper is on top, the tent will get wet. Another cool thing is once the tent is set up, you can back the truck up to the front of it and attach the awning to the roof rack with a couple of bungies , eazy peazy, and fast. This gives you a covered area from the tent to your cargo area and makes a good cooking spot.They are pricey, but in this case you get what you pay for.

[LaOutbackTrail]

How hard was replacing the rear windows? I guess it can't be too hard if you did it in a couple hours! Did you reuse the gasket, or how are they sealed? I have solid rear windows on my Montero and I'd like to go to the sliding type so my dogs can get a little air when they're in the back...

Put the sliding window in the open position (of the one you're removing it from) Remove the little seal around the back window (rubber window stripping) then pop off the 4 clips inside. I used a screwdriver in the top forward corner to pry it out a bit an break the seal then just yanked it off the truck. 5 minutes tops.

There is a neoprene seal around the window. For replacement with the new window, I just used a small bead of RTV silicone. It'll do...

[LaOutbackTrail]

Yeah. We REALLy wanted to get the Oztent, and we will, but we ended up with a Kelty Grand Mesa 6. Its the right size, the right weather protection, and I like the color and the price!

It was either, get an Oztent and stay home.... or get the Oztent and NOT go to Big Bend. Only one sensible option there!

[ca18_sean]

Put the sliding window in the open position (of the one you're removing it from) Remove the little seal around the back window (rubber window stripping) then pop off the 4 clips inside. I used a screwdriver in the top forward corner to pry it out a bit an break the seal then just yanked it off the truck. 5 minutes tops.

There is a neoprene seal around the window. For replacement with the new window, I just used a small bead of RTV silicone. It'll do...

Thank you!

[Cruisn]

Great work so far, I used the same mounting points for my barrier to, but the front grab handles. good storage setup. I used to run a setup like that for ages. very impressive, keep up the good work

[LaOutbackTrail]

Got home late last night from Big Bend. Truck performed most admirably. Considering the rugged terrain and driving conditions I only had 2 minor problems and two moderate problems.

The first minimal issue started when I lost a nut on the exhaust down pipe at the manifold, found a replacement but managed to lose it too.... Needed to adjust the idle, not sure if it was due to running premium fuel the entire trip or the elevation or something else. Ran great and obtained 16-18 mpg on the hwy. Offroad was difficult to measure because we emptied our jerry cans each evening. Probably 12mpg when I wasn't towing the trailer (emergency situation with friend's truck)... 8mpg when I was.

The moderate problems were slight oil consumption (I'll attribute it to the heavy loads and conditions) and the rear door latch (handle) failed.

Here are some pics of the rig during the trip:
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is why I've invested in this truck.

[grandpa]

Truck looks great. I hope to be able to visit that area some day.

[Clem]

:clapsmile:clapsmile:clapsmile:clapsmile

Looks like you and the family had a fantastic trip. I hope to do the same.

[zukrider]

great pics! i didnt realize you know the dude in the ramcharger. love that truck! cool tarantula! did you find it there, or put it on the hood for the pic?

[LaOutbackTrail]

Zuk, my good buddy Nigel just picked up Bill's Ram Charger. It's a dang good truck. Didn't hiccup once.... well, except for the bumper being bent (why I ended up pulling the trailer.)

We ran across several tarantulas. Tarantulas are harmless so I just pick them up and do what I like with them. Gently, of course, because they do have some nasty fangs and the hairs on their bodies and legs are used as defensive mechanisms too... think of the teeny-tiny little cactus spines like on a prickly pear.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I'll use this post to make note of some additional thoughts that I had regarding the Montero during this trip.

- Power, I never felt as if I were lacking horsepower or torque during the entire trip. I even pulled the heavy Adventure Trailer over quite a bit of technical terrain with lots of steep hills. My only issue was slowing it down without the trailer's brakes hooked up... but the recent performance pads and discs upgrade helped. ABS caused stopping issues on several occasions.... Thankfully, when using 4HCL or 4LCL, the anti lock breaks turn off. When going into a wash, the loose gravel would cause the ABS to activate, basically allowing the truck to keep rolling forward because of the load. With ABS off, I could regulate the brake pressure and keep the tires from locking better than the ABS system was working. This is how I ended up pulling the trailer off pavement. Again, this only seemed to be an issue while pulling the trailer.

-Rear door handle and latch. Mitsubishi needs to be slapped for this design. They use a brittle plastic handle to open the back hatch door. What the hell? When I bought the truck, the rear door could only be opened from the inside, I disassembled the mechanism to find that the only thing applying pressure to the lever which opens the door latch is again, made of plastic and snapped off. I drilled a hole and inserted an appropriate length machine screw. This worked from the first week of ownership until last week. To make matters worse, it was lunch time, and I was practically starving (hey, I'm skinny and gotsta eat). To top that off, I built the cargo barrier and the storage platform.... basically preventing me from accessing the rear door handle.... that's why I stuck my daughter through the window. But, it didn't stop there, she couldn't get it. Thankfully I had practice removing the side window, so that was my next move. After removing the side window, I was able to reach in and yank the interior lever to open the door! I disassembled the rear door and began thinking of options. I finally decided the best resolution was to remove the entire original handle mechanism accessing rod that moves to activate the latch. I put bailing wire to hold it in place and it slides right to left, using my thumb I can push in towards the drivers side to release the latch to open the door. Inconvenient, but it was a trail fix... of a sort. I'll work on a plate and handle that attaches to the rod and just slide it in with fewer moving parts.

- Suspension/ handling. The truck handled great, for the most part. I can see myself upgrading to Old Man Emu shocks soon. The truck was able to soak up plenty, only bottoming out the rear twice and the front once (that I noticed). I did manage to make the truck go air-born, launching across two very deep washouts in the middle of the road in a VERY unexpected place. Two washes just longer than the wheelbase of the truck and about 18" deep.... well rounded though but the loading and unloading of the suspension got us off the ground... at about 20mph! Washboard driving could comfort be improved. I'm hoping OME shocks are the answer. The truck was easily capable of maintaining 35-40mph speeds on unknown roads. If I had been unloaded without the family, the speeds could have approached rally-like speeds of 50-60. Safety was a concern with high COG, but the truck was a blast to drive.

- Articulation, traction, 4wd. Only on one instance could I have used better articulation. Driving out of an arroyo, off camber with an eroded 12-20" ledge, the truck was having a hard time keeping traction in 2wd, locked it in 4Low but was still slipping a bit so I clicked the magic button to engage the rear locker and the truck easily climbed out of the river bed. Preservation of resources and reduction of impact on the environment are my two golden rules. I used 4low for two or three ascents/descents primarily for engine braking and extra traction on the loose surfaces. I was able to complete many class 3 to class 3.75 trails (based on our Trail Rating Guide (http://centraloverland.com/trailrating/)) in two wheel drive. Some of the same trails required 4wheel low range for the Ram Charger, pulling the trailer (big variable, I know, but reference only).

-Storage capacity- Weight and cargo capacity has been as expected (in comparison to 4runners-has more and fj80s- slightly less). With a family of four, it is a challenge to pack efficiently. We're still trimming the fat but maintaining comfort. Its not fun when someone starts feeling uncomfortable. This is the area that needs the most improvement (not related to the truck). Thankfully though, the trailer incidents confirmed my doubts of wanting to build a trailer. I'd rather pack more efficiently and use the roof rack of the truck. We may also re-consider the notion of a RTT, however, this trip has also reconfirmed the idea of base-camping with hikes, bikes, and day trips in the truck instead of a new campsite each night. We'll plan accordingly in the future. In which case a ground tent is more beneficial. I'll be re-working our storage platform in the cargo area soon, although it is the best, most practical version I've built yet. The refrigerator was another great investment! The boss loved it. My home built slider worked flawlessly, where as the name brand slider failed in the trailer... again, attributed to the rough terrain.

-Snorkel. Its just for looks, right? Although I was mostly ahead of the Ram Charger on the dirt, avoiding the dust, the truck only ingested minimal amounts of dust. I would knock out the air filter most evenings. In the past, my other vehicles would nearly need new air filters after the same amount of driving. The deepest water I crossed on this trip was only 3", but had bonnet deep water in Arkansas on two dips. The montero's computer is on the drivers side a little lower than knee height... and does not look easy to relocate. I don't intend to drive through much water, unless necessary, but this is a valid concern to keep in mind.

-Tires. Unfortunately I'll have to admit that I was wrong in recommending 33x12.50 tires on the stock rims. While they do fit, technically,the wear and cupping is now perceptible after a couple of decent hwy trips. I'll be looking for replacement wheels soon. My requirements are to keep the tires inside the fender flares, keeping the same stance the truck currently has, but on an acceptable width rim. Any recommendations for those requirements would be appreciated. I still love the GoodYear Duratracs and will likely continue buying them. They're a good balance for on and off road driving and prove to be tough tires.

I am still overall satisfied with choosing the Montero as my overlanding vehicle. There are a few things still to tweak and mend, but the truck handles the terrain I enjoy driving with ease. And, I know it can handle more when necessary. Overall capability and versatility has been spot on for my needs and for what it is. The only thing that might be better for me and my family is a similarly sized quad cab pick up truck with a fiberglass shell. But that is out of budget for a while.

[t4rman]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/255007_849217195391_1348029716_n.jpg
Ladies and gentlemen, this is why I've invested in this truck.

That is impressive

[Sabre]

-Storage capacity- Weight and cargo capacity has been as expected (in comparison to 4runners-has more and fj80s- slightly less). With a family of four, it is a challenge to pack efficiently. We're still trimming the fat but maintaining comfort. Its not fun when someone starts feeling uncomfortable. This is the area that needs the most improvement (not related to the truck). Thankfully though, the trailer incidents confirmed my doubts of wanting to build a trailer. I'd rather pack more efficiently and use the roof rack of the truck. We may also re-consider the notion of a RTT, however, this trip has also reconfirmed the idea of base-camping with hikes, bikes, and day trips in the truck instead of a new campsite each night. We'll plan accordingly in the future. In which case a ground tent is more beneficial. I'll be re-working our storage platform in the cargo area soon, although it is the best, most practical version I've built yet. The refrigerator was another great investment! The boss loved it. My home built slider worked flawlessly, where as the name brand slider failed in the trailer... again, attributed to the rough terrain.

After two 2-week backcountry camping trips out of the Montero this past summer, my wife really felt that setting up and breaking camp every day was too much effort. It doesn't bother me, but she does have a point that more time spent in relaxation would be nice. We currently spend all day driving and our time in camp is dedicated entirely to the work of camping. Making a base camp and having daily forays from a central spot would, of course, address this, but I think more and more about getting a roof-top tent.

The trailers are incredibly appealing, so it's nice to hear about folks with real-world experience dragging such a beast behind the Montero. Never having trailered off-pavement, I have a hard time imagining how it would be, especially on some of the terrain on which we usually find ourselves (we like to challenge ourselves to see if we're up to a certain road or hill). Since we like the security of having two spare tires in remote areas, with the roof-top tent I'd have to rig either a double-wheel mount on the rear door or get an entire rear bumper with dual swing-away tire mounts made up. I'm not crazy about that idea since the Montero is our shopping wagon, soccer wagon, fishing trip wagon, and we're in and out of that rear door a lot. Then of course there's the matter of the jerry cans we carry up there; where would they go? I've never liked having them on the rear bumper as in even a fairly minor collision 20 or 40 liters of gas would be a very, very bad thing to have dripping all over the place.

Plenty to think about. Keep the info coming!

[LaOutbackTrail]

You have valid concerns about storage and the RTT. I have a full length ARB roof rack (basket type). For this trip, I carried on the roof: 5 gallons of fuel and 8 gallons of water (will be getting two 5 gallon scepter water cans soon); the ground tent, sleeping bags, pillows, and pads (in dry bags), One pelican case containing: dishes, cooking/eating utensils, pots/pans; A second pelican case contained a few spares, liquids, gas lantern, and other odds n ends; three folding chairs.

Theoretically, with a RTT, we can leave the sleeping bags and pillows inside the tent when folded away (use blankets and no need for pads). Fuel and water could be stored in front of the RTT and the two spares boxes could possibly fit behind the fuel/water. But then again, we're talking a heavy load on the roof......... which is where I take a step back to re-evaluate.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Our internet was out yesterday... and didn't want to type it out on my phone.
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Yesterday I spent 4 hours on the road covering a bit over 100 miles just seeing if I could help anyone. The kinetic strap came out 7 times and I physically pushed and or directed 4 vehicles. I straightened up an 18wheeler and helped him back up to dry, ice free ground... then with a running start got him up a hill so he could park at the truck stop.... Same intersection, I pulled several more vehicles up the hill and a police officer was helping me by directing traffic but when he left his vehicle slid to the side of the road and couldn't get going again. Pulled a heavily laden chevy pickup (crew cab dually with flat ute bed with welding equipment) pulling a 25 ft flat bed trailer with one of the larger "Trex" fork lifts up an on ramp after he got jackknifed. 4wd Low center and rear diff locks and driving on the grass shoulder got that one going again. Pulled a car outof a Y in the road to a safe spot to get him jump started and so he could fix an ice induced flat.... Interstate batteries owes me at least one battery after I pulled one of their trucks and trailers (chevy extended cab pickup single wheel, pulling a 16ft bumper pull battery trailer).... OVER the railroad track they were stuck on. Thankfully no trains were coming. Found one F250 in a ditch, on its side. Looked like a fairly hard impact, french fries were STUCK to the passenger window and door... along with a hamburger. No one was in it,but the truck was warm and it was just across the street from a truck stop. Wouldn't be pulling this one out anyway (got a pic of it tho...).


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Drove up to Lake Ray Roberts and there was a cool icy fog blowing across the lake...
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By about 11:00 the roads were warming up and the ice was melting making it pretty easy going for most... I did stop for to help a lady with a flat tire stuck in the middle of hwy 380 though, not a good place to be. Then when crossing over a bridges going over a northern bit of Lake Lewisville, a car had a near hit going into oncoming traffic..... they managed to go all the way through the center "turning lane" and into the oncoming lane before slowly correcting back to the turning lane. Thankfully they didn't freak out and over correct.

It was bad enough that I left the snatch strap attached and just threw it inside the back door. But, I need to replace the strap now since several folks ran it over...... But, I "made" $130 which covers my fuel and strap replacement. So, not bad. All in good fun and helping folks out.

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[off-roader]

Did this happen in TX?

[Project510]

WOW what a day you and the truck had! I love your rig, looks great!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Did this happen in TX?

Yeah, Ray. When the white stuff flies people go bonkers....... and they already can't drive/think. My thought is that karma happens. It may not be me, but I'd hope someone would help me or my wife/daughters if we were in a similar situation. Its good to have sheepdogs out and about.


WOW what a day you and the truck had! I love your rig, looks great!

It was fun and I enjoy helping people. Thanks, it's been a ton of work!

[LaOutbackTrail]

Like I said, snow makes people bonkers. My daughter and I had a bathing suit/kilt snowball fight in the backyard. Her idea after we raced to the back fence in our skivvies. :Wow1:
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[sandalscout]

HAHA, she looks absolutely mortified in that picture!

Good on you getting out and helping people.

[LaOutbackTrail]

It's all fun and games till you lose a snowball fight in a bathing suit! :)

[KarmannMarco]

Great pictures! Would love to see that much white here in Houston

[LaOutbackTrail]

No you dont!!! Houston drivers already suck bad enough!!

[KarmannMarco]

No you dont!!! Houston drivers already suck bad enough!!

Exactly , but I know when to stay parked in the driveway ..... not because I'm not used to it but because Houston drivers are in a category all by themselves. lol

[LaOutbackTrail]

I've noticed that my shocks have been getting a weeeeee bit bouncy as of late. Ordering up a set of Ironman nitro shocks from Jacque at TRDParts4U. We'll see how they perform.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Well, ended up ordering the KYB Monomax shocks. They're beefier than the Ironman. Jacque helped me out a lot getting the prices on the ironman parts only for me to change my mind last minute.... so definitely worth mentioning his efforts!

[Imnosaint]

Scott, awesome write-up. I especially appreciated your thought thread on the 2.5's performance. This kind of depth makes for a rich thread.

[LaOutbackTrail]

I hate to nit-pick, but are you referring to my "Gen 2" monty when you say "2.5"?

And thanks, I've enjoyed your Cornering Consciousness blog. We're headed to Utah and Colorado this summer and wouldn't mind meeting up if you're available.

[Imnosaint]

I hate to nit-pick, but are you referring to my "Gen 2" monty when you say "2.5"?

And thanks, I've enjoyed your Cornering Consciousness blog. We're headed to Utah and Colorado this summer and wouldn't mind meeting up if you're available.

Oops. My bad. 2.0 it is.

Meeting up would be great this Summer. Keep me posted and I'll PM contact details.

[SoCalMonty]

LOL...great pics! You guys go out in the snow in your bathing suits? How cool! Will you be my dad?!?! I want to come play at your house! We're having Stove Top at about 8...what time are you guys eating?! :sombrero:

[LaOutbackTrail]

So in the last month, I've replaced the rear brakes and all four shocks. I decided to go with KYB monomax shocks per recommendations and data. These seem to be beefier than stock (and the Ironman shocks for that matter). They feel nice, with similar to or slightly firmer valving than the stock shocks on firm.

Also started on installing a Warn M8000 winch. The wiring wasn't complete, but I'm close to finishing the install. Hope to do that by Tuesday night. This schematic helped a lot.155561

We've got the "High Water Mark" trip coming up this coming weekend, ~19 significant river/creek crossings... and this week the area has a chance of rain every day, but Thursday looks to be a significant weather event with the potential of 2" of rain! We'll have a fun and adventurous time for certain!

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This is a mildly flowing crossing. On other trips, the water is barely hub deep. I'm anticipating higher level and possibly more current.

[LaOutbackTrail]

River crossing went bad...



In need of a Mass Airflow Sensor and possibly the ECM on the passenger footwell. PM me if you have any spare parts!

[1911]

River crossing went bad...

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In need of a Mass Airflow Sensor and possibly the ECM on the passenger footwell. PM me if you have any spare parts!

Bummer Scott! I take it you made it out of the river and were able to drive it home though?

[LaOutbackTrail]

Bummer Scott! I take it you made it out of the river and were able to drive it home though?


Yep! 4 hours in the water, an 80 series double line pulled me out after multiple attempts positioning and anchoring.

I pulled the spark plugs, blasted the water out, opened the MAF and lighly blew it out with compressed air, sprayed WD40 in the cylinders and throttle body. Plugged it all back in and it started up, drove it back to Russelville, Arkansas at under 30 mph and replaced all the fluids. Milkshake in transmission, tcase, and front diff. Engine oil was good, but I changed it anyway. Ran some ISO Heet in the fuel.

MAF is toast. The computer in the passenger footwell may be bad. ABS light was on for a while but I think the sensors dried out. SRS light is on, will inspect that later.



Essentially, I made it up to the other bank, but as soon as my suspension loaded and unloaded on the other side, the current pushed the back end around. Once I broke traction and dug in, I was done. The truck sunk further because I spun the tires, then the current helped sink it even more.
It was pretty intense. But I drove it 300 miles home.

[eurosonic]

4 hours in the water??!

[Imnosaint]

It was pretty intense. But I drove it 300 miles home.

Pretty amazing. Glad you made it. Three hundred miles on river soup lubrication no less.

[grandpa]

That current looks strong. Glad you made it out without more damage. How did the water get in the engine?

[LaOutbackTrail]

No. Changed all the fluids as soon as I could afterwards (on Friday). Only about 20 miles on bad fluid... going slow. Then changed the ATF again before hitting the interstate yesterday. 300 Miles with the MAF sensor unplugged.

[LaOutbackTrail]

That current looks strong. Glad you made it out without more damage. How did the water get in the engine?

Ingested through airbox.... Can't quite seal everything 100%....