new Dodge Power Wagon!

[kevin]

This is about as good as it gets from the factory. too bad no diesel.

fourwheeler.com/roadtests/129_0410_powr/

[Scott Brady]

I agree Kevin. I really like the platform. We can only hope that the success of these HD trail machines will start to push implementation at Toyota, etc.

In person, the Power Wagon is even more impressive. Really a sweet truck. :smilies27

[goodtimes]

This is about as good as it gets from the factory. too bad no diesel.

fourwheeler.com/roadtests/129_0410_powr/

putting a deisel in it would require a complete remake of the drivetrain and chassis. The current diesels weigh in around 7000 pounds....the transfer case is about all that the current power wagon has that is still useful at that weight. But it would be sweet to take the current deisel trucks, add the 4:1 t'case (they already run the NP-241, same as the power wagon and the Jeep rubicon, without the deep gears), and some air lockers. Of course, think about the warranty claims when someone who doesn't know how to drive locks up both ends and puts 350hp and 555 ft/lbs of torque through a 4:1 first gear, 4:1 transfer case, and 3.73:1 rear axle, in a 7000lb truck ......

for those who don't like math, that is 33,122.4 ft/lbs of torque :smileeek:

[The BN Guy]

Saw a show where they took box stock Power Wagons to Moab. I was very impressed with the flex they have when the electronically controlled sway bar is disconnected! Also showed up in 4WParts magazine too.

[blupaddler]

Yeah, those are MAJOR drool factor!

I however, have yet to see one in person. Even driving by the dealership, you don't see any. Oh well, probably better for the temptation factor.

[Scott Brady]

The best view I had of one was a test unit, up on a trailer. You could see the huge axles, full-length skidplates, etc. It had really been used :smilies27

[Ursidae69]

What a cool truck, what will they be retailing for?

[Scott Brady]

They are selling in the mid 30's and are available right now from Dodge...

Even if you dont like Dodge's everyone needs to be pulling for this truck to be successful. It will influence other brands (like Toyota), that OHV capability will sell vehicles.

[goodtimes]

The power wagon will be sucessful. They are following the lead set by the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon...as we all know, those were so sucesseful that they had to double the planned production in the first year. I'd be willing to bet that we will be seeing the power wagons rolling off of dealer lots for a long time to come.

I think the "other guys" are behind the ball on this trend. The only thing that I can see that will hurt power wagon sales is the price of gas....it will eventually hurt full size truck sales across the board, with the possible exception of the diesels (gotta love 20mpg from a 7000 pound truck).

Now, if Toyota would pay attention and add a turbo diesel, dana 44's, air lockers, and a 4:1 transfer case to the tacoma.... :D

[Outback Expeditions]

Hello eveyone,
I'm new here and just had to reply to this thread. I am the happy owner of a new Dodge Power Wagon. It trully is an incredible vehicle. I have owned alot of high dollar off road vehicles and this beats them all. Last week we went four wheeling in the Nevada Desert with a Hummer H1 and had to tow him out when he got stuck trying to follow me. Ive had the vehicle for about two months now and have suceeded to get it stuck once. Mud and deep ruts. It took me about 15 minutes to winch out and be back on the trail again. Is it unstopable NO but dam it sure can get you really back into someplace you probably shouldnt be. :D Anyway hello and I hope to meet some of you on the trails.

[ShottsCruisers]

Hello eveyone,
I'm new here and just had to reply to this thread. I am the happy owner of a new Dodge Power Wagon. It trully is an incredible vehicle. I have owned alot of high dollar off road vehicles and this beats them all. Last week we went four wheeling in the Nevada Desert with a Hummer H1 and had to tow him out when he got stuck trying to follow me. Ive had the vehicle for about two months now and have suceeded to get it stuck once. Mud and deep ruts. It took me about 15 minutes to winch out and be back on the trail again. Is it unstopable NO but dam it sure can get you really back into someplace you probably shouldnt be. :D Anyway hello and I hope to meet some of you on the trails.

OE: Welcome. Have owned a 93-current Land Cruiser at all? Is your truck blue (did I see you run Crown King about 4 months ago here in AZ?)

[Scott Brady]

John,

How did the Power Wagon do? I watched a video a few months back of a stock unit at street air pressure complete hells gate in Moab :Wow1:

[ShottsCruisers]

John,

How did the Power Wagon do? I watched a video a few months back of a stock unit at street air pressure complete hells gate in Moab :Wow1:

Hell's Gate in a STOCK vehicle? WOW! Nuff said. I seen that too and went :smileeek:

Crown King Trip? He did great, though in no way could he have taken the optional lines we did in our 80's and 100, and he didn't try. He'd a high-centered.
Overall though he had great clearance, little slippage, and overall an easy-moderate run. In my opinion, in STOCK form, he'd slightly out-wheel (on this trail):
UZJ100
FZJ80
LR3
RRover

In my opinion, in STOCK form, he'd go neck-and-neck with (on this trail):
2004 Tacoma TRD

I say on "THIS TRAIL" because the PWagon is huge (larger than my 100) and like my 100 will be at a disadvantage on many other trails.

[Scott Brady]

Hey John,

Nice to see you on the forum...

For those who have not clicked on his links yet, John has one of the cleanest built UZJ100's in the country. He also happens to be a really nice guy too :D

[ShottsCruisers]

Hey John,

Nice to see you on the forum...

For those who have not clicked on his links yet, John has one of the cleanest built UZJ100's in the country. He also happens to be a really nice guy too :D

Thanks Scott. The 100's filthy right now. :victory:

And I could only hope to be as nice a guy as you are. Then, consider what awesome wives we have and.....wow, we have to get our acts together, don't we? :D

[Westy]

does anyone know how the power wagon sales are going?

I know full size truck sales are down considerably as of late...so I'd assume they arent doing too well but I ran across this thread and it caught my attention...?

[blupaddler]

They can't be doing too well since Dodge is offering cash back and free gas for two years.

[calamaridog]

They can't be doing too well since Dodge is offering cash back and free gas for two years.


A few months back (Aug. I think), one of the old TTORA-Socal guys scored a new Power Wagon for around $28,000. Ford, GM, and DC were giving away their cars and trucks. Sales went through the roof and then crashed as soon as the deals went away.

$28,000 was a good price for that truck :clapsmile

[Colorado Ron]

I would have bought one in a heartbeat if they would have had a diesel option. Since they dont, Ill stick with the Super Duty.

[goodtimes]

I think we all would have! But there is no way those axles they are using will live under a diesel. They would have to re-design the lockers to work with the 11.25" r/p and whatever they are using in the front now (used to be the dana 60 up front and either a dana 70 or 80 in the rear). They already use the np241 transfer case (same as the power wagon and the rubicon wranglers....just with different gearing).

[calamaridog]

http://www.aam.com/technology/tech_prod_driveline.html

Here is the company that makes the new axles for the Dodge trucks. They make all sorts of interesting stuff.

[4wd4me]

This is a very compelling vehicle. I could not find one over the weekend to check out.

Any thoughts on the 6 speed versus automatic on the trail? The dealer said they never see the 6 speed and would have to order one.

Could anyone comment on the realized gas mileage of a Power Wagon?

[Westy]

any chance Dodge is planning on putting a diesel in? any word?

I do know a new Cummings is not far away, 6.7 liter.

[Outback]

To date my DPW has been unbelievable off road! The winch has had quite the work out pulling alot of stuck vehicles out. It has pulled me out twice now. I used it once to remove a tree off the trail. This tree had fallen on the trail after we drove by. Two hours later we discovered the tree across the trail. Kind of funny. Anyway its been great. As far as a diesel that would be the ultimate Expedition platform for sure. Hopefully when Chrysler puts the new Mercedes Diesel engine in next year or so they will put one in the Power Wagon option. If they do I will trade or sell this one and get a new one! Also a One ton would be very appealing for those extended trips!

[ShottsCruisers]

To date my DPW has been unbelievable off road! The winch has had quite the work out pulling alot of stuck vehicles out. It has pulled me out twice now. I used it once to remove a tree off the trail. This tree had fallen on the trail after we drove by. Two hours later we discovered the tree across the trail. Kind of funny. Anyway its been great. As far as a diesel that would be the ultimate Expedition platform for sure. Hopefully when Chrysler puts the new Mercedes Diesel engine in next year or so they will put one in the Power Wagon option. If they do I will trade or sell this one and get a new one! Also a One ton would be very appealing for those extended trips!

Great to hear you're happy. Where do you typically wheel? Do you take all the harder trail lines? I'm curious if the breakover angle due to the long wheel base has hung ya up?

[Outback]

I have been hung up once. I new it was going to happen but wasnt worried do to the under armor everywhere! That was the other time I had to winch. But that was an extreme not your typical 4x4 action. I had to help my son recover his dirt bike which eat a piston 20 miles from home. I typiaclly do alot of ghost towning and exploring in the higher elevations of Nevada. I am about 3-1/2 hours North of Las Vegas near Ely NV. I get down to Vegas quite a bit now these days. And yes I do tend to take the harder trail lines now.

[ShottsCruisers]

I have been hung up once. I new it was going to happen but wasnt worried do to the under armor everywhere! That was the other time I had to winch. But that was an extreme not your typical 4x4 action. I had to help my son recover his dirt bike which eat a piston 20 miles from home. I typiaclly do alot of ghost towning and exploring in the higher elevations of Nevada. I am about 3-1/2 hours North of Las Vegas near Ely NV. I get down to Vegas quite a bit now these days. And yes I do tend to take the harder trail lines these days.

Awesome! Enjoy!

[Rockcrawler]

I think we all would have! But there is no way those axles they are using will live under a diesel. They would have to re-design the lockers to work with the 11.25" r/p and whatever they are using in the front now (used to be the dana 60 up front and either a dana 70 or 80 in the rear). They already use the np241 transfer case (same as the power wagon and the rubicon wranglers....just with different gearing).


The front axle is the 9.25 AAM, same as in the Diesel versions as far as I know. I've heard of people bending the tubes in 9.25 in the Diesel versions, but haven't heard of any gearing, ujoint or axle shaft issues. Locking the front axle with that much power/weight could prove to be an explosive combination though. Another big problem (as far as Dodge is concerned) is that the winch won't fit with intercooler.

If anyone is interested, Diesel Power Magazine had an article on a one off custom Dodge Power Wagon that someone swapped a Cummins into.

Kyle

[Diesel Joe]

I agree with most, if they'd put a diesel in that PWagon I'd buy one. As it is, there are no gassers in my family, and there more than likely never will be. It's a great idea from a forward thinking company.

[GaryMc]

Our BLM LEO's just started driving the Power Wagon. The guys absolutley love them and put them to the test every day!
The Gov. purchase price is 26k, I wish I could get one for that...

[Bella PSD]

Is it true that the The Power Wagons add $6,400 to the price?

Louie

[crawler#976]

it's actually a little more - nearly $7400 from the base model 2500 series...

add a couple options and...


2007 RAM 2500 POWER WAGON QUAD CAB 4X4 P Pkg. $40,515

Power $1,170

5.7-Liter HEMI® V8 Engine Incl.
Multi-Speed Overdrive Automatic Transmission $1,170
Electric Shift-on-the-Fly Part-Time Transfer Case Incl.
10.50 Rear Axle Incl.
4.56 Axle Ratio Incl.
9.25 Front Axle Incl.
GVW Rating 8,510 Pounds Incl.


Options $3,115

Light Group $180

Sun Visors with Illuminated Vanity Mirrors
Automatically-Dimming Rearview Mirror
Glove Box Lamp
Ash Tray Lamp
Front Dome Lamp with On/Off Switch
Underhood Lamp

AM/FM Stereo Radio w/In-Dash 6-Disc CD/MP3 Player $1,025

7 Infinity(TM) Speakers
Steering Wheel-Mounted Audio Controls
SIRIUS® Satellite Digital Radio Incl.
Air Conditioning Incl.
Trailer Tow Group Incl.

750-Ampere Maintenance-Free Battery
Class IV Receiver Hitch
7-Pin Wiring Harness
160-Ampere Alternator Incl.
40/20/40 Split Bench Seat Incl.
Rear Folding Seat Incl.
Floor Covering Carpet Incl.
Black Vinyl Floor Covering Incl.

Delete Floor Mats
Power Sunroof $850
Bodyside Molding Incl.
Wheel Flares Incl.
Clearance Lamps Incl.
Fog Lamps Incl.
Bright Grille Incl.
Powerwagon Badge Incl.
Speed Control Incl.
Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel $45
Front Disconnecting Stabilizer Bar Incl.
Front Electric Winch Incl.
Tow Hooks Incl.
Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield Incl.
Transfer Case Skid Plate Shield Incl.
17" x 8.0" Aluminum Wheels Incl.
LT285/70R17D BSW All Terrain Tires Incl.
Cloth 40/20/40 Premium Bench Seat $915

Rear 60/40 Split Folding Seat
Front Center Seat Cushion Storage
Folding Flat Load Floor
Power 6-Way Driver Seat
YES Essentials® Stain/Odor Resistant Seat Fabric
Fold-Away Power Trailer Tow Mirrors $100
Monotone Paint Incl.


Destination $900

Base MSRP*: $45,700

[Rock FJ]

They are hard to get too. I had to travel to Escondido California to get mine back in November. I am getting 10-13 miles per gallon !! Not good I thought at the beginning until I got the FJ cruiser which barely makes 13 !!! So it is not that bad considering my PW is lifted 4" and runs 37 inch tires.

I got it at invoice which was close to 35. I heard some got it at 28, that is good!!! Not sure though how easy is to negotiate price since they are hard to find.

I'm not sure yet which to make my new expedition vehicle, the FJ or the PW. I like the FJ more but it is too small. The PW is too large :( Tough call !!

[Bella PSD]

I just built one on dodge.com

Just the basics, no options except a block heater. Tried to get the 4.56 gears but CAN NOT with the 6 speed!!!!

2008 RAM 2500 POWER WAGON QUAD CAB 4X4 P Pkg. $41,185

Color $0

Bright White Clear Coat $0
No Secondary Paint $0
Medium Slate Gray $0


Power $0
5.7-Liter HEMI® V8 Engine Incl.

Hood Insulation
Front Air Close-Out Panel
Electronically-Controlled Throttle
Next Generation Engine Controller
5.2 Additional Gallons of Gas
4 Additional Gallons of Gas
6-Speed Manual Transmission Incl.

Mini Floor Console
3.42 Axle Ratio
Manual Shift-on-the-Fly Transfer Case Incl.
5,200-Lb. Front Axle Incl.
GVW Rating 8,510 Pounds Incl.


Options $90

Power Locks Incl.
Power Windows with Driver's One-Touch-Down Feature Incl.
AM/FM Stereo with CD Player Incl.
SIRIUS® Satellite Digital Radio Incl.
4 Speakers Incl.
Air Conditioning Incl.
Trailer Tow Group Incl.

750-Ampere Maintenance-Free Battery
Class IV Receiver Hitch
7-Pin Wiring Harness
160-Ampere Alternator Incl.
Floor Covering Carpet Incl.
Front and Rear Floor Mats Incl.
Rear Power Sliding Window Incl.
Remote Keyless Entry Incl.
Bodyside Molding Incl.
Fender Flares Incl.
Clearance Lamps Incl.
Fog Lamps Incl.
Bright Rear Bumper Incl.
Bright Front Bumper Incl.
Bright Grille Incl.
Powerwagon Badge Incl.
Engine Block Heater $90
Speed Control Incl.
Front Disconnecting Stabilizer Bar Incl.
Front Electric Winch Incl.
Tow Hooks Incl.
Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield Incl.
Transfer Case Skid Plate Shield Incl.
17" x 8.0" Forged Aluminum Wheels Incl.
LT285/70R17D BSW All Terrain Tires Incl.

BF Goodrich Brand Tires
Cloth 40/20/40 Split Bench Seat Incl.

40/20/40 Split Bench Seat
Rear Folding Seat
YES Essentials® Stain/Odor Resistant Seat Fabric
Power Heated Fold-Away Mirrors Incl.
Monotone Paint Incl.


Destination $900

Base MSRP*: $42,175
Total Discount†: - $2,000
$2,000.00 Cash Allowance 1
Net Price: $40,175

[Rockcrawler]

They are hard to get too. I had to travel to Escondido California to get mine back in November. I am getting 10-13 miles per gallon !! Not good I thought at the beginning until I got the FJ cruiser which barely makes 13 !!! So it is not that bad considering my PW is lifted 4" and runs 37 inch tires.

I got it at invoice which was close to 35. I heard some got it at 28, that is good!!! Not sure though how easy is to negotiate price since they are hard to find.

I'm not sure yet which to make my new expedition vehicle, the FJ or the PW. I like the FJ more but it is too small. The PW is too large :( Tough call !!

My advice would be to go w/ the Diesel and put a quality aftermarket suspension on... I average about 18-19 mpg in my Dodge with lift and 35s (actually 315s...) The only issues I've had offroad are related to the size and weight of the truck... especially the front end. It certainly is less maneuverable than the Jeep, but is sooo much more comfortable and easier to pack etc.

Lorenz, Kore and Carli all make excellent suspensions for these trucks to make them comfortable and capable in the backcountry.

[JohnnyS]

I'm new here but thought that I'd chime in about my PW.
It averages about 9.5 mpg with 305/70-17 MTRs on black steel wheels, 2 spares, about 300 pounds of gear, and a Ranch Hand front bumper.
The worst I've recorded in 2 years is 6.6 MPG.
I've put about 25000 miles on it, most of them in rough country and it has held up pretty well.
I hate the vinyl seats as they give you horrible swamp a.. in no time, but other than that no complaints.
If you need a full size truck to be able to get into remote locations it's the best I've seen.
Take it easy,

[erod]

any pics anyone...interesting thread but....:)

[805gregg]

As they say Mopar or no power. I have 2 Diesel 1 tons, best trucks ever, allthough Toyota makes a bad copy of the 1/2 ton.

[Fireman78]

Hey guys! I bought a used 2006 Dodge Power Wagon in July of this year. I sold my 2003 Toyota Tacoma TRD D/C with LOTS and LOTS of mods. If I had the money, I would have kept the Toyota simply as a project vehicle, but as I had another child, and my needs have changed a bit, I'm am ion a position to need a plain ol' full size truck. I bought it used on ebay from a dealer, it had 25,000 miles on it, great conditon, and I paid $ 29,500. I believe that was pretty fair. I was sad to see the Taco go, but man, THIS TRUCK IS FRIKIN AWESOME! I am pretty much an adventurous guy, exploring to the most of my ability (time/familly and money) but like I tell my wife, exploring, 4x4, climbing rafting and hiking are my hobbies, I really don't don't spend $$ on anything else. The only downside I can see with the PW is the gas mileage, I am getting about 12mpg. OUCH! I understand the diesel comments, but the Cummins motor would make this truck NOT a Power Wagon. It is too heavy, too long (couldn't fit the winch), and has too much tourque. It simply wouldn't work with the purpose of this truck, which is to go OFF ROAD! The 5.7L Hemi with 4.56 gearing is plenty. Another downside is the width, and sheer bulk of the vehicle. However, if you can physically fit on the trail, this truck will go where you want it to go. I have several trail badges from rocks and trees so far, but that's OK, because that's why I bought the vehicle. The turning radius is awesome for a full size truck, I was out with a friend last night who had a 93 Toyota PU and we both did a multi-point turn on a ditchbank, and he was totally impressed with the agility and turning radius of my PW. I have rescued several friends out of a jam via winch and snatching, and I have had no problem at all with low range power. I can't wait to take it out on a long mileage journey, expedition style, and I am currently looking for any and all add on's and PW specific equipment. There really isn't much PW specific for this truck as of yet. Someday I would like to morph it into an expedition vehicle. I think others on a trip would appriciate having a PW on the trip to help get them out of a jam if neded, or to carry any extra equipment. As a firefighter paramedic, I guess I am just a helping kind of guy, I actually like helping folks. OK now I'm rambling, the PW is a great truck, and it is really growing on me. Take care and be safe out there guys! :)

[ShottsCruisers]

Hey guys! I bought a used 2006 Dodge Power Wagon in July of this year. I sold my 2003 Toyota Tacoma TRD D/C with LOTS and LOTS of mods. If I had the money, I would have kept the Toyota simply as a project vehicle, but as I had another child, and my needs have changed a bit, I'm am ion a position to need a plain ol' full size truck. I bought it used on ebay from a dealer, it had 25,000 miles on it, great conditon, and I paid $ 29,500. I believe that was pretty fair. I was sad to see the Taco go, but man, THIS TRUCK IS FRIKIN AWESOME! I am pretty much an adventurous guy, exploring to the most of my ability (time/familly and money) but like I tell my wife, exploring, 4x4, climbing rafting and hiking are my hobbies, I really don't don't spend $$ on anything else. The only downside I can see with the PW is the gas mileage, I am getting about 12mpg. OUCH! I understand the diesel comments, but the Cummins motor would make this truck NOT a Power Wagon. It is too heavy, too long (couldn't fit the winch), and has too much tourque. It simply wouldn't work with the purpose of this truck, which is to go OFF ROAD! The 5.7L Hemi with 4.56 gearing is plenty. Another downside is the width, and sheer bulk of the vehicle. However, if you can physically fit on the trail, this truck will go where you want it to go. I have several trail badges from rocks and trees so far, but that's OK, because that's why I bought the vehicle. The turning radius is awesome for a full size truck, I was out with a friend last night who had a 93 Toyota PU and we both did a multi-point turn on a ditchbank, and he was totally impressed with the agility and turning radius of my PW. I have rescued several friends out of a jam via winch and snatching, and I have had no problem at all with low range power. I can't wait to take it out on a long mileage journey, expedition style, and I am currently looking for any and all add on's and PW specific equipment. There really isn't much PW specific for this truck as of yet. Someday I would like to morph it into an expedition vehicle. I think others on a trip would appriciate having a PW on the trip to help get them out of a jam if neded, or to carry any extra equipment. As a firefighter paramedic, I guess I am just a helping kind of guy, I actually like helping folks. OK now I'm rambling, the PW is a great truck, and it is really growing on me. Take care and be safe out there guys! :)

Sounds like you're happy with it? :)

[Fireman78]

You could say that. :rappel:

[Fireman78]

Here are some pics/ video of a friend of mine and myself wheeling out in the Rio Puerco Valley. The blue PW is and 06, and the red one is an 05. :rappel: http://trucks.pcwize.com/wheeling/rio_puerco2.php Click on the link at left where it says "pics and video of power wagons wheeling"

[gearnut]

Love the power wagons (wish you could get them with less plush int for a lesser price) but an awesome full size p.u. in the heavy duty market.

[Fireman78]

OK OK I have to admit, the cost involved in owning this Power Wagon is getting to me. I figured it ot last night and it's running me about 1000 bucks a month in ownership/operating costs. Needless to say I have been looking at alternatives. I posted the Gas MPG thread to see just how everyone else out there is getting MPG wise and with what vehicles. I will keep the truck if I sell it to myself that some other vehicles are just as bad. Other wise I'm going back to Toyota simply based on gas prices.

[Fireman78]

Another issue I have started to have is the LACk of aftermarker add on's for the Power Wagon specific model. Example- ARB Bull Bar? Nope, they don't make it. I want to turn this into an expedition rig but it's not lookin good so far.

[Kermit]

Another issue I have started to have is the LACk of aftermarker add on's for the Power Wagon specific model. Example- ARB Bull Bar? Nope, they don't make it. I want to turn this into an expedition rig but it's not lookin good so far.


I am sure you can get a custom one made for the same price. Buck Stop makes one. http://www.buckstop.biz/

http://www.buckstop.biz/Images/dodge/models/outback03.jpg http://www.buckstop.biz/Images/dodge/models/baja03.jpg

Have you checked the Dodge forums for aftermarket?

[spencyg]

I don't understand why we're all stuck with the "If its a diesel engine, its got to weigh 1000 lbs and make 800ft-lbs of torque" mentality. It just isn't right!! Diesels in other countries make moderate amounts of power, but get excellent gas mileage and are still more than adequate for the task. Look at a land rover...for years they had a 2.5L diesel, and for awhile now the 3.0L diesel has been available. Those trucks go anywhere, can be loaded as heavy as the tires will allow, and still get 25 MPG. If you were to take a Cummins 4BTA and load it into a power wagon, you'd have a reliable 200hp/300ft-lbs on tap, and you'd get over 25 MPG. This whole "If it's a diesel, its got to be a huge diesel" mentality is not good for the acceptance of diesels to the American consumer. GM and Ford are both just barely getting the picture with the promise of a 4.5L (GM) and 4.4L (Ford) in '09 1/2 ton trucks. In my opinion, those engines are still too large.

Spence

[Kermit]

I don't understand why we're all stuck with the "If its a diesel engine, its got to weigh 1000 lbs and make 800ft-lbs of torque" mentality. It just isn't right!!

Spence


I think it is the bigger is better way of thinking, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

I too have been lusting after a full size truck, I went and test drove some of those big diesels, they sure are nice...just a little too much for my needs.

I need just a little more power and capacity...still trying to figure out what vehicle will suit that...the Tacoma is working for now. Maybe one of those "small" diesels will be the answer. Or shoe horn one into the Tacoma.

[ntsqd]

One thing I've noticed is the seemingly always a need for "just a little more room and/or power".

Stuff expands to fill the void.

I blame GM for souring the US public on diesel engines. It is known in the EV community that GM's intent with the EV-1 was to prove that EV's weren't viable. Would not surprise me to learn that they had similar intent with that abysmal converted Olds gasser.

How is the PW different re: bumper fitment?

[Fireman78]

I am sure you can get a custom one made for the same price. Buck Stop makes one. http://www.buckstop.biz/

http://www.buckstop.biz/Images/dodge/models/outback03.jpg http://www.buckstop.biz/Images/dodge/models/baja03.jpg

Have you checked the Dodge forums for aftermarket?

I am impressed with Buckstop and they may be getting a phone call shortly. Thanks.

[spencyg]

[QUOTE=Kermit I need just a little more power and capacity...still trying to figure out what vehicle will suit that...the Tacoma is working for now. Maybe one of those "small" diesels will be the answer. Or shoe horn one into the Tacoma.[/QUOTE]

I've heard some rumblings that both Toyota and Nissan will be providing the citizens of the US with diesel options in their light trucks by 2010. Nissan has had a very sweet 3.0L and 3.3L turbo diesel for years with great success overseas. I'm not up to date on what Toyota currently offers in a diesel, but I'm sure it's equivalent. It still wouldn't be at all hard to make some serious power with a smaller turbo diesel. If you're in the market for a very efficient light(er) truck in the coming years, hold on just a bit more....


Spence

[Fireman78]

One thing I've noticed is the seemingly always a need for "just a little more room and/or power".

Stuff expands to fill the void.

I blame GM for souring the US public on diesel engines. It is known in the EV community that GM's intent with the EV-1 was to prove that EV's weren't viable. Would not surprise me to learn that they had similar intent with that abysmal converted Olds gasser.

How is the PW different re: bumper fitment?

The problem is this: the winch is recessed into the frame, soooo.... all of the aftermarket bumbers stick out a lot in order to fit an after market winch. The power wagon has a stock winch in the frame. I am looking for a bumper that will not "stick out" far past what is allready there. I am hoping that Buckstop can fabricate a suitible one.

[Kermit]

I am impressed with Buckstop and they may be getting a phone call shortly. Thanks.


My buddy has one on his F350....built a lot stouter than my ARB.

You can hit a deer, hose off the blood and keep on going...:D

[Kermit]

If you're in the market for a very efficient light(er) truck in the coming years, hold on just a bit more....


Yeah, it is going to be looong wait for me, since I never buy new. So maybe by 2015, if Toyota does it in 2009-10?


I am sure some of the "regular" memebers get sick of my rumblings...I will state my Tacoma is by far the best truck I have ever owned...if I only used as just a exploring/camp vehicle it fits that need quite lovely. Problem is we ride dirt bikes too...the Tacoma is just beyond its' limits for my needs. The major thing that is holding me back from getting the size truck I need is, the Tacoma is paid for. It gets the job at hand done, it just suffers through it.

I still have 4 more years to wait,until I can even think about getting a new truck...we only have one income right now (me)...until the girl friend finishes school....so from now until then...I day dream...(a lot) :D

[ntsqd]

My buddy has one on his F350....built a lot stouter than my ARB.

You can hit a deer, hose off the blood and keep on going...:D
I'll say the same about the Reunel's (http://www.reunel.com/)too. Just don't know if they make what you're looking for.

[Kermit]

I'll say the same about the Reunel's (http://www.reunel.com/)too. Just don't know if they make what you're looking for.


There you go Fireman78, there are options out there, just needed some help looking.

[Fireman78]

I'm with you, both my Toyota trucks have been the greatest trucks ever, and I regret selling them. I will never sell another Toyota again.

[Kermit]

I'm with you, both my Toyota trucks have been the greatest trucks ever, and I regret selling them. I will never sell another Toyota again.


I don't plan on selling the Tacoma, if I get another vehicle. It might be a 4WD Fuso converted into a camper/dirt bike transport. use that for long hauls and the Tacoma for a daily/explorer rig.

That is the only porblem with the Tacoma, a wee bit cramped, just a tad overloaded with all of the camping gear, plus dirt bike gear.

[Fireman78]

I would love another Tacoma, "Just for me". My dream: have a third vehicle dedicated to build into my adventure vehicle. Only has room for me and my dog. (Isn't that all of our dreams on this site?) :truck:

[Kermit]

... have a third vehicle dedicated to build into my adventure vehicle.


Yeah, this is on the list too. ;)

http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0511/imgs/051115_ktm990b.jpg

[Fireman78]

Although I still have those gas milage woes, I am probably going to keep my Power Wagon after all. I just picked up some side work doing tree thinning, and having a vehicle that can haul a ton of gear, plus pull a 7500 pound chipper up the side of a mountain, and be my daily driver......this truck continues to impress me. All I need is a snorkle and a over the bed tent and I'm ready for an expedition!!
BTW- if anyone is interested, there is going to be a "New" Power Wagon rally in Moab the last weekend of May. It might be interesting seeing these go up against Moabs finest terrain. I'll be there for sure. :rappel:

[Fireman78]

I have a little story to tell about this unbelievable truck. So I have to go to Vermeer to pick up our chipper, keep in mind this thing weighs about #7500 pounds. It's awkard, large, heavy. As I was climbing up a long, steady hill on the interstate.. I could only go about 60-65. (about 8000 feet elevation, climbing as well.) I was not impressed with my Hemi's power at this point, at least not compared to a diesle. HOWEVER... as I got to the job site, I had to get the chipper to the crew, who was working way up on a hillside, very thick with trees. The "road" which isn't really a road, is snowy and ICY in all the shady spots. Everywhere it was steep...you guessed it.. ICE. I am fully locked, 4 low, trying to crawl my way up this steep, nasty, icy hill, towing a 7500 pound chipper. I am sliding, spinning, everything, just not moving foward. I slide sideways and wedge myself into a huge juniper, in between my truck and chipper. I can't go foward/backwards, nothing. I start looking for a suitible tree for an anchor as I cut down the juniper wedged into my hitch. I hooked up the winch to a 10" DBH pine and got in the truck... so I'm in 4 lo, fully locked, AND winching a total of 15,000 pounds up an steep , icy path through the woods. It took about an hour and a half or so to go like... 200 yards up the hill. Unbelievable. This truck impresses me more every day.

[absolute]

Thanks for the input Fireman! I was seriously looking at the Power Wagon when it came out and was really impressed! The dealerships wouldn't move on price when I was looking so I purchased my first love instead... Chevy!! :LOL:

I like the way your putting your truck to the limits and then some!! :wings:

[charlieaarons]

I was not impressed with my Hemi's power at this point, at least not compared to a diesle.

Supposedly they didn't build a diesel PW because of the weight of the engine, and the torque of the diesel might have destroyed locked axles & diffs.
Consider a PW chassis with a 4-cyl ISB4.5 engine....
250 lb lighter, can be rated up to 460 ft-lb.
Incidentally, I find it disturbing that there is not even an aftermarket locker (air or Detroit) available for the 11.5" AAM axle used in the rear of diesel Dodges and Chevys, nor one for any of the Dodge front axles (except in the PW).
Another argument for considering transplanting a 4 cyl Cummins into a PW chassis.

Charlie

[mcgovski]

You mentioned you need a snorkel??? I have a 1 ton and I have been looking for a snorkel too...do you have any leads? I live and work on or off dirt roads and i think the snorkel would help with the life of the air filters eating so much dust...
dont want to jack your thread, just wondering if you know where to get a snorkel for a dodge
cool truck

[Fireman78]

I also visit the Power Wagon forums, and I will attempt to locate a snorkel for the Dodge. Ya, the guys I work with can't believe I do what I do to a $40K vehicle. It makes me $$$ though, so I'm keeping her. Also- Sometimes I tow our "little" 4000 pound chipper as well, and that one I hardley notice back there. It's the heavier one that is a little rougher. On the highway, on level ground, it's no problem, it's just up the steep grades where I really notice I don't have a diesel. Ya, yesterday was by far the most out-of -this -world winching I've ever done. I wish I had had a video camera, to see everyone cringe!! One thing to remember is that I don't use this for towing that much. I mostly use it off road delivering fuel to the crews that are using saws/chippers, ect. We had a Ford Powerstroke as a fuel truck, but it was too long, too heavy, and kept getting stuck. If I was to tow A LOT, a deisel is for sure the way too go. But for an all around, kick *** truck, this one is tops. In the woods it has no equal.

[Fireman78]

Thanks for the input Fireman! I was seriously looking at the Power Wagon when it came out and was really impressed! The dealerships wouldn't move on price when I was looking so I purchased my first love instead... Chevy!! :LOL:

I like the way your putting your truck to the limits and then some!! :wings:
Have you looked on ebay ? A friend of mine that I work with in the woods with bought one after seeing what it can do on the jobsite. He got an 06 with 17K miles for $25,000!

[theMec]

Incidentally, I find it disturbing that there is not even an aftermarket locker (air or Detroit) available for the 11.5" AAM axle used in the rear of diesel Dodges and Chevys, nor one for any of the Dodge front axles (except in the PW).
Another argument for considering transplanting a 4 cyl Cummins into a PW chassis.
Charlie

ARB makes a locker for the front 9.25". They keep threatening to release one for the 11.5 but I don't think it's out yet.

From what I understand, the reason Dodge didn't come out w/ a diesel PW is that there's not enough room for the integrated bumper/ winch.

[Fireman78]

[QUOTEFrom what I understand, the reason Dodge didn't come out w/ a diesel PW is that there's not enough room for the integrated bumper/ winch.[/QUOTE]

Among other things.

[theMec]

Among other things.

Well, you'd have to add an extra $5k to the price. That'd kill it for many buyers.
I don't see any tech problems though.
In any case, glad you're liking yours.

[absolute]

Have you looked on ebay ? A friend of mine that I work with in the woods with bought one after seeing what it can do on the jobsite. He got an 06 with 17K miles for $25,000!

This was back in 05 and I was dead set on a brand new truck at the time! Times have changed and family has expanded, so... I'll be holding on to my HD for awhile!!

[stainless]

I thought some of you guys might appreciate this.

Dodge 6.7 Cummins PowerWagon (Proof Of Concept) (http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/0807dp_2007_dodge_ram_2500_power_wagon/dodge_cummins_diesel_engine.html)

[haven]

Interesting to see both Dodge (2500 Power Wagon with Ultimate package) and Ford (F150 Raptor project) working towards production platforms that offer true off-road suspensions for 2009.

[t0mills]

Interesting to see both Dodge (2500 Power Wagon with Ultimate package) and Ford (F150 Raptor project) working towards production platforms that offer true off-road suspensions for 2009.


That's great! If the 2500 Power Wagon Diesel becomes a reality, I will buy it. End of story.

:wings:

[Fireman78]

Just wanted to post a few pics of my new shoes.. these are BFG Mud Terrian KM2's 35-12.5-R17 (It comes with stock 33's) Yes they do fit.

[Bella PSD]

Do you think the 35's will rub when off road. Looks tight.

[Maximus Ram]

Just wanted to post a few pics of my new shoes.. these are BFG Mud Terrian KM2's 35-12.5-R17 (It comes with stock 33's) Yes they do fit.

Sweet...when the time comes, i will be getting these also...but in 315/75/16's. I love my M/Ts, but from what I hear, the KM2's are awsome. A friend has them on his 3500 long bed diesel and he likes them.

[Fireman78]

They "lightly " touch the control arms at full flex. I can live with that. Full flex on a Power Wagon is saying a lot.

[Fireman78]

some more pics

[toyrunner95]

what kind of winch is in that truck? i thought it was a warn 12k or something.

[Fireman78]

It's the Warm 12000, yes. It is mounted into the frame of the truck, therefor I am having a hard time finding replacement bumper for it. I am not willing to relocated the winch. None of the bumper manufacters are making them due to low production numbers.

[toyrunner95]

well i think there are a few options, though none of them are off the shelf ideas. where the winch is located is a great place. its inline with the frame so there is alot less torq on the frame unlike a brushguard mount. the down side is that its mounted back. i dont know if its under the radiator or not. if its in front of the radiator then you could probably make a bumper out of some plate or tube. there is always the custom shop idea as well.

[masterplumber]

There's a great custom shop in Colorado Springs called Armorology. www.armorology.com great work although usually months out for an appointment.
Doug

[jasonL_031]

all i know is i love my pw there isnt anything like it theres nothing like it on the market especially when you have modded it like me :D

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/jasonL_031/Oct%2026%202008/IMG_1200.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/jasonL_031/Oct%2026%202008/DSCI0308.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/jasonL_031/Oct%2026%202008/IMG_1202.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/jasonL_031/Oct%2026%202008/DSCI0306.jpg

:smiley_drive:

[ShottsCruisers]

That front wheel can travel!

[Fireman78]

Just a quick note (I am working on gathering the pics now).. that myself and two other Power Wagon's did the entire Poisen Spider Mesa trail near Moab, Utah. None of the trucks had any problems at all, and in fact.. we easily went up several obsticles that a Rubicon struggled with. Two of the three Wagons were stock (except for the addition of 35" BFG KM2's. vrs the stock 33" AT's.) The third had upgraded bumpers a lift and 37's. Now if I can just save up enough $$ for a Teardrop Adventure Trailer.. my life would be complete! Here is a 4 min. youtube video of my "Winch Cam" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzrWdlb5Hw4

[Fireman78]

YES!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.gibsonrm.com.au/html/make.php?makename=snorkels Should be completed in late July!!!!!