My new vehicle: 2005 Nissan Frontier

[articulate]

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/nissan_frontier_5.jpg
In the spirit of Aaron's "Datrupr's mod thread," here's one for my spanking new 2005 Nissan Frontier. Well, my wife's: what's mine is hers, and what's hers is---well, you know. But I've got a little surprise later on regarding this. :box:

Target:
My objective with this vehicle is to enjoy 3 to 20-day backcountry excursions. If those terms are too mainstream for you hardcore, then I hereby rephrase that to: short expeditions within, but not limited to, the Sonoran and Chihuahuan Deserts of the U.S. and Meh-eeko. I need to be able to haul mountain bikes and associated gear for fun, food, and staying alive. My demands are not entirely unreasonable, are they? My current foray with gainful employment thankfully allows a few weeks a year - in addition to several long weekends - for doing the this stuff that constitutes living (not to be confused with earning a living....).

Still, we will be having some ninos in the coming years so we'll need space to haul a little Markito or Brookita; hence a Crew Cab version.

Primary Modifications:
Within 3 months, I figure the following things are necessities. This list is not in any order of priority and is also shaped by the availability and quality of third-party/aftermarket products; and my harebrained efforts in fabrication. :orngartis

2" receiver in the rear for extraction
Rock sliders
AT Tires
CB and/or 2M radio(s)
GPS incorporation
Belly protection

Additionally, some items that get me turned on are these:

Winch bumper w/ winch
Refrigerator
Improved (steel) rear bumper
Roof Tent
Air-locking differentials
On-Board Air
Custom rear leaf packs
High-quality Coil-Overs
this list can go on awhile....


I actually find the winch bumper fairly important. ARB claims to have their Bull Bar available in late '06, Jim Shrake (of Shrockworks) says he'll have one in Spring, and TJM will probably be making one in short order, too. There will probably be a lot of things not available for awhile. Your basic "lift kits" are out there, but I'm not interested in a mere lift for the sake of lift. Know what I mean?
Also, it seems 4WD is annoyingly useless without a traction device, from a LSD on up; aside from the fact that it makes me feel incredibly UN-macho to back down a hill. I've driven a few rutted and eroded roads in the San Tan mountains and experienced first-hand the limitation of IFS. As soon as I had a front wheel in the air (which does not take much), I wanted 4WD off altogether. Since only the rear axle is driving anyway, a front tire in the air and spinning seems a grave gamble with the CV shafts and differential. So I was thinking that a locking device in the front is a wee more important than in the rear. Here comes the proverbial can-o-worms: probably have to replace components of the front drivetrain to accept the added/potential stress. Then again, such components are probably not even available.

Since this is not exactly a "wheeling" vehicle I should probably worry about this later.

So, here are some photos of my wife and I taking another couple on a short drive through the San Tan Mountains last weekend. I'm putting myself out here for you boys and gals to scrutinize or emphasize my ideas. Share please!:D Maybe you can enlighten me with something I didn't think of, and I'd be grateful.

I really dig the way this site embraces diversity of vehicles and "mode of mods." So, here's my minor contribution....

Thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions, 'migos.

Mark

[sacto_patrol]

Nice new virgin ride to tear up.

I guy has a new nismo Frontier in my parking garage and I drool all over it every weekday.

[cshontz]

Nice Frontier, Mark. I look forward to following your progress and adventures with it. :)

[Scott Brady]

Mark,

Since you have the Jeep, I would not spend much money on trail mods.

This would be my recommendation:

1. LT 265/75 R16 Tires (load range D minimum)
2. Front and rear recovery points
3. Communications
4. Fridge
5. Sliders: Make great steps and will protect that valuable sheet metal
6. Rear suspension to handle load requirements
7. Some type of shell or storage system: Organization and security are critical.

I have never driven an "expedition" route where a more capable vehicle than yours stock was required. If you have some cash to burn, get the ARB bumper and a winch. It protects the truck from an animal strick, and allows you to winch out of or through a tough spot. The winch is also a valuable road repair tool.

The important this to remember is that reliability, passenger comfort and camping support equipment are way more important than trail capability (given that all of the vehicles in our segment are already high clearance 4wd's)

[datrupr]

Mark, congrats on the new ride. It is very nice. I would not be too worried about the IFS as these components are usually strong enough to handle the loads they were designed for, and you will not be going rock crawling with it so it should be fine. I would stick pretty close to your initial mods list and with Scott's reccommendations. You will vary rarely be lifting a tire enough to cause any serious damage to the CV's if you are careful, and pay close attention to your throttle. If you can not get up, try to take another line, thats what I usually do and it works out fine for me. Now, lets hit the trails and have some fun.:victory:

[articulate]

Thanks fellas. You'll be the first to know of any and all changes...with pics...at this handy thread.

I'm ready to change out the tires, but I have a slight ethical issue with tossing out 5 perfectly new tires. The 265 / 75R 16 tire seems to be a popular choice of size. But a huge part of me wants to be unique...we'll see. CB and GPS mounts are on the way, as I do need to be prepared to participate with the others on the El Camino trip in February.

What are you guys paying for those roof top style tents? I'll have to mount it over the bed, obviously. Are they too heavy to manage if I had a mounting system that was removable? Is it the sort of thing that when you have it mounted you'd better just leave it?

Thanks, also, for the voices of reason. The items on my second list of bullets are really "daydream" things. And I rambled on about the locking aids..... Scott, Aaron - your comments are worth their weight in gold. Gracias.

But storage in a bed is, oddly, somewhat a nightmare. With so much open space (relatively speaking), I imagine I'll be fighting with ratchet straps and rubbermaid canisters for my first few trips until I figure out how best to utilize the bed.

Cheers,
Mark

[Ursidae69]

I'm ready to change out the tires, but I have a slight ethical issue with tossing out 5 perfectly new tires.

The stock tires off my Tacoma were sold in a matter off days in my local Thrifty Nickel paper. I think I got 300 for all 5.

Great lookin truck by the way. :)

[articulate]

The stock tires off my Tacoma were sold in a matter off days in my local Thrifty Nickel paper. I think I got 300 for all 5.

Great lookin truck by the way. :)
HEY! Good point...! :shakin:

[kcowyo]

My local Big O Tires took my (brand new) stock 265's in trade towards the purchase of a new set of 285's. Wasn't much of a deal but I didn't have to go through the hassle of storing them or selling them -

.....oh, and nice truck! I've been hoping to see more Nissans representing around here!

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Mark!

Congrats on your new truck!

I'm looking forward to it taking you to some real awesome places so you can take some more fantastic pics and share them with us!

~Mark

[BajaTaco]

The ambasador has a new ride!! :clapsmile

This is super exciting! I am really hoping you will take me for a ride in it as I haven't had the pleasure of doing the "bumpies" in a new Nissan yet. So I am stoked to crawl all over it and check it out and go for a ride if you don't mind.

Regarding the lockers - I am unclear on whether your truck has a rear locker or not? And I'm not quite sure why you said you wanted 4wd off altogether with a front wheel in the air? I wouldn't worry about the strength of an unlocked IFS as much as I would about a locked IFS. An unlocked front diff will allow more wheel slip and transfer power to the tire with the least resistance, which in a way will "baby" the front components and make the rear axle do all of the work if the case presents itself. A locked front will indiscriminantly keep power to both wheels, or send all of it to the one with traction, even if the one with contact is bound up tight, and more torque means easier breaks. With a front locker, instead of that tire spinning in the air, the tire with all of the burden of the front of the truck will be forced to "move on" on the sole merits of a single CV axle. It can be dicey, but fun :D

Anyway, congrats to you and the SuperCool Chick!! :beer:

[articulate]

The ambasador has a new ride!! :clapsmile .... :beer:
You crack me up....

All this time I thought you were going to be on the Diablo trip, but I guess not. Perhaps we'll squeeze an adventure in within the next 6 or so weeks so you can test it out.

I sorta rambled on about the 4wd/wheel-in-the-air/locker thing for no good reason. I was over-thinking how to cope with the tendencies of IFS systems to leave a tire "stranded" in the air during technical manuevers. Scott and Aaron made the fine point that the truck is not for super-duper rocky trails, nor will I be encountering them on expedition-style routes.

When you said, "An unlocked front diff will allow more wheel slip and transfer power to the tire with the least resistance, which in a way will 'baby' the front components and make the rear axle do all of the work if the case presents itself" is also why I wanted 4wd off with the wheel in the air: to stop the free wheel from receiving drive power so I could allow the rear end to push me over the obstacle without the worry of setting that spinner on the ground only to break something. Know what I mean?

Aaron said it best: Take another line.
Scott says it another way: Bring the Jeep. :victory:

Anyway, my Frontier does not have a locking differential in the back, either. Sure would be a nice addition, but I'd rather spend the dough on one of them there roof top tents. I'll just take trips with you guys and let you pull me through the tough stuff....:D

Later,
Mark

Almost forgot:

My local Big O Tires took my (brand new) stock 265's in trade towards the purchase of a new set of 285's. Wasn't much of a deal but I didn't have to go through the hassle of storing them or selling them -

.....oh, and nice truck! I've been hoping to see more Nissans representing around here!
Your suggestion might make the new tires happen quicker....thanks. I dare you to ask why Senor Taco called me the ambassador... :)

[Scott Brady]

I would take a fridge and roof tent over a locker (or off-road package) any day of the week. :archaeolo

[BajaTaco]

You crack me up....

All this time I thought you were going to be on the Diablo trip, but I guess not.

Well, according to the ExWest boss-man it looks like I am in. ;) See you (and your Nissan) there. :D



When you said, "An unlocked front diff will allow more wheel slip and transfer power to the tire with the least resistance, which in a way will 'baby' the front components and make the rear axle do all of the work if the case presents itself" is also why I wanted 4wd off with the wheel in the air: to stop the free wheel from receiving drive power so I could allow the rear end to push me over the obstacle without the worry of setting that spinner on the ground only to break something. Know what I mean?

Yep. I see what you mean. BUT, I think it will be a rare instance that you will have a problem with that. The conditions have to be just right, and you likely won't have the pedal mashed to the floor when you feel forward progress happening and the front end coming down. You will be using your best "sonoran finesse"!

If I were presented with a choice between a locker and a fridge/rooftent, I would probably choose the latter too :D But the locker just makes a HUGE difference. It's like going from 2wd to 4wd. Think about it. If you break traction on a wheel in the front and the rear at the same time, you have only one poor wheel pushing your heavy pig of an expedition rig up/past the problem. At least with a rear locker, you will have both rear wheels under power.


Scott and Aaron made the fine point that the truck is not for super-duper rocky trails, nor will I be encountering them on expedition-style routes.

I'm not sure I necessarily agree 100%, but yea - for the majority of trips, I think that is an accurate statement. My detraction comes into play when considering the trips where you are really exploring unknown/undocumented territory. In these cases, you may often come across very tough spots, and you will have to rely on your ability to know your limits. The more capable vehicle you have (as well as driving experience), obviously will have a bearing on how many of those tough spots that you can make it through, and continue towards your objective. You must decide if the obstacle(s) is within your limits. I have experienced this many times over the years, and have had to concede to turning around and backtracking, or continuing forward on foot only, because I knew it was the best judgement call based on my capabilities & the vehicle's capabilities. You can afford more liberties when choosing in the company of fellow adventrers, but when going solo, the decision-making process is more critical. (And I know you go solo!) So - bottom line: IMO, the more capable your rig, the more "iffy" situations that you can feel confident pushing on through.

[articulate]

A chuckling old co-worker told me, "Good judgement comes from experience. And good experience comes from poor judgement." So long as I'm trying to use my fine collection of "experiences" for good judgement, I'll be quite comfy in a roof tent sipping down some vehicle-dependent chilled grog, eh? :)

All of these toys have their place. I've come to this conclusion: Where appropriate sleeping arrangements are high on the priority list, a rear traction device is lower but not off the list; I'll most likely get quality use out of a roof tent. Back in "the day" when we were helping Via Tierra with the OHV classes, I learned and re-learned that the best equipment in a trail rig is a skilled and sensible driver. (which is a constant honing, yes?)

I like to pretend my solo days are over; even though my previous troubles were stricly mechanical failures in the middle of nowhere with no companions (a textbook example of poor judgement) - it had nothing to do with any shortcomings my Jeep may have as far as equipment, such as a locker. If only that were the case: I could have simply turned around and driven to the safety of the nearest watering hole, preferably with live music. :beer:

Thankfully, I have some great tales to tell.

[The BN Guy]

Oooh, late to chime in but...

Welcome to the Nissan fAmily and congrats on the new truck!

[datrupr]

Mark, not to say anything bad about the Nissan, because it is a great truck!, but why did you coose the Nissan over the Taco? Just curious.

[Scott Brady]

I always recommend using as much mechanical advantage as the trail requires. Which is to say:

1. Leave pavement onto improved dirt road: Shift into 4WD high. It is easier on the truck when traversing soft sections, and you have the available traction is a loose section is encountered, or you come upon a section of mud.
2. Leave improved surface for two track: Shift into 4WD Lo. The gearing makes life easier on the clutch or transmission (temp) and allows fine control. Even with IFS, you want all of the available traction at your disposal. It is better for the trail (less spinning and damage) and much easier on the truck. 4WD helps to keep the vehicle climbing straight and prevents over-steer. The majority of the weight in a near stock truck is over the front tires, so make sure the front is driving.
3. Challenging two track: Engage the rear locker and leave it on. This helps uphill and down, and allows the truck to maintain forward progress without spinning and driveline wind/release. The locker is just as important while traveling downhill, as the vehicle will freewheel when under compression braking is tires leave the ground.

[jeffryscott]

Scott, good philosphy on the use of 4wd.

I've never understood why people don't just put the vehicle in 4wd when they are on the trail - I've seen too many get stuck, then try to engage it into 4wd - they wouldn't have gotten stuck in the first place.

If you have it, use it.Plus, it is good for the vehicle to get it into 4wd - especially with most vehicles these days having shift-on-the-fly, there is no reason not to.

My 1/3 of 1/2 of two cents,

Jeff

[datrupr]

I pretty much follow Scott's philosophy. As soon as I am off the pavement I go into 4WD. Primarily because the truck tracks better ( it does not get squirelly) on corrugated surfaces, and also it is already on incase I need it. Better to have it ready when needed than have it after it is too late IMO.

[asteffes]

I always recommend using as much mechanical advantage as the trail requires. Which is to say:

3. Challenging two track: Engage the rear locker and leave it on. This helps uphill and down, and allows the truck to maintain forward progress without spinning and driveline wind/release. The locker is just as important while traveling downhill, as the vehicle will freewheel when under compression braking is tires leave the ground.

This is a great bit of wisdom. Thank you, Scott!

[articulate]

Holy crap...I turn away for a few days and look all of this.

Here goes:

Oooh, late to chime in but...

Welcome to the Nissan fAmily and congrats on the new truck!
Evidently, it's never too late. Cheers!


Mark, not to say anything bad about the Nissan, because it is a great truck!, but why did you coose the Nissan over the Taco? Just curious.
Well, seriously, the wife loved this thing - of all factors (like cost, reputation, percentage of chrome ;) , etc.) spousal approval tends to be the most important...so long as she's trained properly[I reserve the right to delete that...]. And beyond driving Scott's truck, we never looked at any Toyotas; And Scotty's is pretty DANG cool. I saw an opportunity to be mildly unique since there are few of these late model Frontiers out there. Being a new model, things like durability and reliability are going to be hard to assess for a while. I feel like the odds are good, though. This truck fit the budget, Brooke loves it, drivetrain seems stout, enough payload for me...badabing.


I always recommend using as much mechanical advantage as the trail requiresThat's hard to argue with, eh? So long as we've a sensible monkey at the controls :p

Carry on, carry on....

Mark

[BajaTaco]

I use 2wd on dirt roads quite often. As long as there is good traction and higher speeds, I enjoy it. It can make steering easier in some places too, where traction is very high, or multi-point turns are required. Fuel economy can be improved as well, though that depends on variables.

Example: The route between Puertecitos and Laguna Chapala in Baja. I would drive most of that in 2wd, but use 4wd for the mountain grades and hills.

[Scott Brady]

Chris,

Excellent point regarding fuel economy. On our last Baja trip, we traveled over 200 miles between fuel stops, and 160 miles of it was off-road. Several vehicles rolled into the PEMEX north of La Paz with the gas light on.

We did drive long stretches of improved dirt roads in 2wd to conserve fuel on that trip...

[Justin]

A bit late on the post but congratulations on the new Truck. I am trying to sell my wife on getting a 4door truck and so far it's been tough. Also nice choice on the Nissan. In San Diego, I usually see more Tacomas than I do Nissans so I tend to gawk more at them. They seem like a solid truck.

Off the subject of the new truck, I couldn't agree with Scott more on the uses of 4wd. I take the same approach when I leave the pavement.

[articulate]

News on the Frontier "front":
The rock sliders are in que to be built and shipped by ol' Shrockworks within 3 weeks. I'll be getting them powdercoated when they arrive as well. Based on that timeline, there won't be enough time to get them installed by El Camino Del Diablo. That's life. Here's a picture, but obviously not my truck:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/sliders.jpg

I got my GPS mount the other day, too, but I don't think that warrants a photograph. :ylsmoke:

For the zinger...at least I think so...:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/brooke_2.jpg
I taught this cute blonde how to use a torque wrench. While we were at it, we decided to take apart the front suspension. You know, see what all the fuss is about with these IFS dealy-bobs. And sheesh, since it was all apart may as well make a little improvement...

See, while some women like jewelry for Christmas, I got this one a handy little spacer lift for the front end. She woke me up a couple of Saturdays ago by jumping on the bed. "Can we install the lift now? Can we install the lift now?"
I told her to wait. I needed a minute to thank the Good Lord for such a kick *** wife. :jumping: After all, I'd given it to her as a joke...sort of. It backfired, and she thought it was the coolest thing ever.

That's the news. Roll on, baby. Roll on!
Mark

[Scott Brady]

Excellent modifications Mark. Very wise.

Any plans for a change in tire size? How will the rear be lifted? AAL might be the best route considering the trucks intended use.

Fridge?
Sleeping configuration?

[articulate]

Excellent modifications Mark. Very wise.

Any plans for a change in tire size? How will the rear be lifted? AAL might be the best route considering the trucks intended use.

Fridge?
Sleeping configuration?
Yes, in the future I will be simply replacing the tires with 265/75 R16 BFG AT -- unless I can be persuaded otherwise. Every once in a while I consider the uber-expedition size 235/85 R16. I don't know of any downside to either size, except perhaps availability.

Before the tires, though, we will get the Eezi-Awn; my goal is to get one by May. I'm slightly puzzled about mounting it, though. Do they require a platform, or a few cross bars maybe? It only makes sense to put it over the bed like you have; most pictures I see have the tent mounted onto a roof rack. That's why I ask.

For the rear suspension, I was originally putting my nose in the air thinking that "only a custom rear leaf pack will do for me, thank you." But I've come to the same conclusion that an AAL might make more sense. That will require some extensive research, I think, because there are not any direct-for-D40-Frontiers AALs available yet. I saw somewhere that some dude used a leaf from an XJ pack and employed a grinder to trim them down to size. That's one way to do it.

A fridge, unless some unnatural act of miraculous proportion happens, will be gravy. Once the tent, tires, CB, and under-protection happen I'll consider the truck done - which we all know is a farce, but you have to have a mental finish line. I'm expecting any organizational improvements to evolve as I take trips and add the tent to the bed.

That's what I think today. Tomorrow - and most will agree that they do this too - I'll have different ideas. :)

Thanks for any input, all.

Mark :victory:

[CLynn85]

Nice, good way to welcome a new vehicle into the family, let the modding begin!

How much lift did you get out of the front spacers?

Sounds like you got a real winner there with the misses as well....

[The BN Guy]

Those the Calmini spacers or does SLR carry them as well?

[articulate]

The spacers are manufactured by PRG (www.prerunners.com), and they yeilded 2". They also came with blocks for the rear (leafs are spring over axle), but I didn't put those on. Axle wrap could be a worse problem with blocks like that.

Cheers,
Mark :shakin:

[Scott Brady]

Good point Mark. Axle wrap might very well be an issue. But, since you have them, no harm in giving it a try

I am really looking forward to seeing the truck on the trail!

[LexusAllTerrain]

I think you could go with 285/75-16 they are used in the new Xterra with a little triming, however since you are doing a 2" lift they would work better?:arabia:

[articulate]

I think you could go with 285/75-16 they are used in the new Xterra with a little triming, however since you are doing a 2" lift they would work better?:arabia:
Actually, the word has it that the 285/75-16 will work nicely with the added space in the wheel wells. It's an un-macho thing to decide against a larger tire, particularly if they'll fit well. But I'll likely stick with the 265/75. :smilies27 I could be persuaded, though. I haven't looked at the cost difference.

Anyway, I appreciate the input.

Cheers,
Mark

[LexusAllTerrain]

;) Well since you insist, you could get the Yoko Geolander A/T + II for only 117.00 at the tire rack on 285/75-16" a very good tire with agressive pattern and good reviews. Plus you would get that Macho- look in your new truck!:D

[flyingwil]

nicely done! Sorry I am a bit late one jumping in on this. If you ever need any wrenching help let me know since I live in Mesa.

[articulate]

nicely done! Sorry I am a bit late one jumping in on this. If you ever need any wrenching help let me know since I live in Mesa.
Well you don't have to say that just because you think you're late :xxrotflma
Although I REALLY appreicate the offer! And I'm happy to reciprocate...And I just had a thought. PM sent.


Well since you insist, you could get the Yoko Geolander A/T + II for only 117.00 at the tire rack on 285/75-16" a very good tire with agressive pattern and good reviews. Plus you would get that Macho- look in your new truck!
:Wow1: :beer:

[LexusAllTerrain]

Oh! and if you go with the 285's you would have a 10.9 inch clearance on the rear!:jump:

[flyingwil]

I know how you like winches! This Bumper might be a good solution for your truck in the near future.
http://www.kenmtnac.com/images/WiFr05Blackside.jpg

Made by Kennesaw MTN (http://http://www.kenmtn.com/index-NEW.asp)

Wil

[The BN Guy]

I like what the main component of the bumper looks like but that tubing on top just ruins any aggressive look they were going for. Even the Shrockworks bumpers have that same look - heavy duty bumper with wimpy framework above. I know some people just don't like the look of the ARB, TJM, or the Calmini bumper but that just plain looks weak.

[CLynn85]

Perhaps you can order the bumper without the top tubing? I have to agree with BN that the top part looks very "wannabe" and cheesy.

[calamaridog]

Nothing a little sawing action can't remedy!

[flyingwil]

Mark-
I got the Saw if you end up neededing it again! :hehe:
Let me know if we need to cut the pipe shorter once you get your new tires!
Wil

[articulate]

Oh yeah, fellas, you can get that Kennesaw bumper without the tubing. Same with the Shrock bumper. For right now, it appears the Kennesaw bumper is the only one immediately available, too.

ARB says theirs is available late this year, and Shrock's will be in Spring. I don't know about TJM or Calmini.

I trust that the ARB and TJM will have the better finish-designed look, though. Which makes me wonder: What do you guys think of the winch bumpers in general? Do you prefer the protective tubes so long as they are "beefy" (probably 2" to 2.5" diameter)? Or without? And why, beyond cosmetics?

Wil: thanks for the help yesterday. I'll let you know how the pipe works when the new tires go on. :)

Later,
Mark

[UncleChris]

What do you guys think of the winch bumpers in general? Do you prefer the protective tubes so long as they are "beefy" (probably 2" to 2.5" diameter)? Or without? And why, beyond cosmetics?


MArk,

When I had my XJ I ordered a winch bumper from custom 4x4 and purchased the grile guard and the light guards as well.

Soon after putting the on, I took the light guards off but left the grille guard to lmount lights on.

The kind of wheelin I did with it really did not need to light guards.

Now, On the Taco, I am running an ARB. I am a little bit more concerned about protection on the 05, because I am sure that headlights are a dealer only item and probably $$$$$.

I am also looking to mount my HiLift Jack on the top of the ARB as well.

Also remember(devil's advocate here) is that all of that stuff adds to the weight and affects the front end clearance.

Hope that helps!

[articulate]

UncleChris, that's a fine point about protecting the headlights and your pocketbook. With the weight difference, the bulk of it is not in the bars as much as the bumper and the winch. If there is such a thing as weight-to-protection ratio, the grill bars are probably worth their weight in that respect. :)

On another note, I'm feeling kinda happy about getting out last weekend on a 2-day adventure into Las Cienegas National Conservation Area near Sonoita, Arizona last weekend. I love the improved comfort over my Jeep for a little wilderness exploring. And I'm glad to use this thing for getting out and seeing the world.
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/tire3.jpg

I did a minor research trip to see if this place was worth some exploring. We found a way cool ranch/museum called Empire Ranch.
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/ranch.jpg

The roads are mild, but several turn into "Jeep trails" and cross some mountains and into the Coronado National Forest - I didn't explore that far, but I could tell it's worth doing. I'm planning a full trip to drive these roads on April 1....stay tuned for that.

On the way back out to Sonoita, though, I had a surprise. The Frontier has a tire pressure monitoring system and it makes a hideously LOUD ring for 30 seconds. That went off and I had to change two things:

My front passenger tire
My pants

When something that loud goes off unexpectedly, you jump. I don't care who you are.
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/tire2.jpg

It looks like I'll be commiting to new tires earlier than planned.

Raise your glass!
Mark

[Scott Brady]

Sweet Mark! Getting the new machine out for some adventure :)

So what are the tire plans? 265/75?

[articulate]

Sweet Mark! Getting the new machine out for some adventure :)

So what are the tire plans? 265/75?
Well, yeah, that was the plan - and my favorite BFG AT. So Brooke and I are talking last night, and she wanted to know how much bigger a 265/75 tire is than the 265/70 (the current size).

Her response: Only an inch?!

After a conversation about how to calculate tire size, she wants 285/75. What do you think of that for Valentie's dinner conversation?
I've shared a few emails with a guy who has similar suspension changes on the same truck, and he has the 285/75 without trouble...even with driving some trails at Moab.

I'd better listen to my wife. :p

[Scott Brady]

285/75 should be nice on that truck :)

you will notice a bit of power loss and reduced fuel economy, but all worth it IMO... :ylsmoke:

[LexusAllTerrain]

Well you have plenty of power, 265hp. and 284lb-ft I vote for the 285/75-16"
plus your truck will take a completely different look!:archaeolo

[articulate]

eurorom, seems you're quite familiar with the late model Frontier! I appreciate your input. I'm mostly concerned about the MPG loss than the power loss; but other items (like gear loaded up for an adventure) contribute to those as well.

If you can look at the consequences and say, "I can live with that," then go for it, right?

The fresh tires are being installed in the morning; tomorrow night I'll install my extended shakles. :chowtime: I'll see how those work for a while.

Plus I'll look like I "belong" on the Camino trip :)

Too much fun. But turning the wrench and typing on the keyboard gets me all itchy to actually get out and play. Gotta go!

Mark

[LexusAllTerrain]

Well let's see, you should be averaging at around 20 miles per gallon in stock form, maybe better depending on altitude.Now if you add the tires wich will add some extra weight but are bigger the power curve should not be that off, plus you have plenty of horse power, so you should at best loose I would estimate 1 mile or 2 .Now I am talking about hwy speeds on cruise control.I have read of some people averaging at or around 23 miles per gallon on a very flat route!Oh and do not forget to post some pictures:o

[BajaTaco]

Hey Mark, today is the day - we are anxiously awaiting an update. Don't forget about us ;)

I can't wait to see this truck on Thursday.

[articulate]

Maybe not SO unhappy, however I had a snag with the tire joint. Ultimately they wouldn't agree to mount the 285/75 on a 7" wide wheel. They claim BFG has had many problems with blowouts with that tire/wheel configuration.

Plus, when I returned to pick her up, the boys complained that the 265/75 "barely fit, dude. Those 285s would have never gone on." :ylsmoke: I don't know about that.

Oh well. Simple fact is that I'm pleased anyway - nothing says EXPEDITION like 10" wide tires and a snorkel. :)

I'll get a photograph up here tomorrow.

Thanks for putting up with me

Edit: Now if those uber-cool 255/85 came on the all terrain, this story would have gone much differently...

Mark

[LexusAllTerrain]

Congratulations! you will notice some difference in performance and your truck should have at least 10.1 inches of ground clearance, the same as the NISMO, however your tires should be wider?
Any way i think you will be please with their performance!
Now some pictures.........:luxhello:

[articulate]

Here we are putting the tires to good use as a grin-maker:
http://www.markdstephens.com/el_camino_del_diablo/expo_2006/frontier_nissan_offroad.jpg
Sorry....is that too trashy? Neither vegetation nor road was harmed in the making of this photograph. :)

Flyingwil offered to help me out, so he sawed my tailpipe so I could install extended shackles on the rear leaf springs. Now the truck sits at a similar rake as when she was on the lot. Give Wil a round of applause.
http://www.markdstephens.com/el_camino_del_diablo/expo_2006/nissan_expedition_1.jpg

:beer:

I feel bad for my Jeep, as she'll be ignored for a while. All of my planned trips for the next 8 weeks only involve the truck. Although I find myself waving at other Jeeps when I'm in the truck. They probably think I'm an idiot.

The rock sliders should be here soon, and then I'll get them powder coated. I'm trying to "engineer" a fresh water tank. Otherwise, what's next? :ylsmoke:

http://www.markdstephens.com/el_camino_del_diablo/expo_2006/nissan_frontier_expedition.jpg

[LexusAllTerrain]

:clapsmile Well did you notice any changes in power? How about ground clearance? And the last, but not the least are you noticing any lack of power when you are in Low range? That is the word out! I feel it might be the limited slip differentials in front and back since they use the brakes to send the power to the tire with the most traction!!???:confused:
What are your thoughts!!!:ylsmoke:

[cshontz]

Ultimately they wouldn't agree to mount the 285/75 on a 7" wide wheel. They claim BFG has had many problems with blowouts with that tire/wheel configuration.

I'm glad to see that you ultimately got your tires mounted up, Mark. It can be really frustrating when tire shops play this card. I can understand them not wanting to be liable for doing work that isn't quite by the book. However, to hear them spew bs makes my blood boil - afterall, we wouldn't be there if we haven't done our research, correct?

Sears pulled this on me once. Lesson learned. :mad:

[articulate]

:clapsmile Well did you notice any changes in power? How about ground clearance? And the last, but not the least are you noticing any lack of power when you are in Low range?...What are your thoughts!!!:ylsmoke:
Frankly I didn't notice any loss of power, but I'm not that picky about losing some either. And I'd only used low range 3 times before the new tires, and I definately don't notice any change there.

But I was pleased with the way low range behaved on the Camino del Diablo trip (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=963). For my intentions with the truck, I feel that the equipment is well suited. :) The transfer case ratio is not extraordinary at 2.625:1, but sheesh. I get outside to do some adventure, see interesting things with interesting people, and I come back with a grin on my face and a happy heart. What ever complaint I could have with the transfer case wouldn't be from any adverse effect from the larger tires.

You also ask about clearance: aside from the gigantic chrome bumper, clearance has to be the major weakness in the new Frontier. With the 2" added height and 1" taller tire (well, 1/2" for discussion of clearance...) we're in great shape.

I'm actually impressed with how well the OEM suspension rides on graded roads and washboard sections. However, I'm used to driving a Jeep TJ and even with the praised-for-comfort Old Man Emu suspension, I get exhausted by the end of a 4-hour trail. I might like the ride simply because it's not a Jeep ;).
I need to install some longer shocks in the rear of the Nissan due to the extended shackles, and right now the only ones available (that I can find) are Bilstein 5100 (link-a-roo (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=3817&category_id=d7c0354a01b835c878bcd44c47871c8d)). I'm afraid of stiffening the ride, though. :confused:



I'm glad to see that you ultimately got your tires mounted up, Mark. It can be really frustrating when tire shops play this card. I can understand them not wanting to be liable for doing work that isn't quite by the book. However, to hear them spew bs makes my blood boil - afterall, we wouldn't be there if we haven't done our research, correct?
Actually, I looked up the recommend wheel width at the BFG website, and they say 7.5" - 9" for both the AT and Mud tire. Based on that I was in the wrong, but simply misinformed. If they really do experience a lot of tire damage from the 7" wheel, I'd prefer to have the odds stacked in my favor anyway with the 265 mm section width. What's obnoxious, though, is the way the boys at the tire shop tell you about such issues. "Dude, no way can we put that tire on that wheel, na-ah." You ever get the impression they are trying to make you feel dumb?

Roll on, baby, roll on!
Mark

[LexusAllTerrain]

I am curious to know if your Frontier came with the front and rear Limited Slip ?

[BajaTaco]

"Sorry....is that too trashy?"

No way! The pics look great Mark!!

BTW, I got to sit in this truck on the CDD trip (thanks Mark) and I was impressed with the feel and layout. Pretty plush. Nice seats.

And as I said on the trip - I dig those wheels. Very "rally-esque" :cool:

What should the next mod be, you ask? A FRIDGE of course :D

[LexusAllTerrain]

Oh! the Frontier is very plush, it almost feels like a SUV.:ylsmoke:

[The BN Guy]

I've wheeled recently with a 2006 and it was a very nice rig. I question, though, Nissan's mentality of "lowering" the height. Even my 2000 2wd sat higher than the 20006 4wd. Ground clearance may have been similar but it sure seems to sit probably six to seven inches higher.

[articulate]

I've wheeled recently with a 2006 and it was a very nice rig. I question, though, Nissan's mentality of "lowering" the height. Even my 2000 2wd sat higher than the 20006 4wd. Ground clearance may have been similar but it sure seems to sit probably six to seven inches higher.
Can't underestimate engineering choices when it comes to the design of a vehicle: If form follows function, the clearance has mostly to do with engineering the handling and maximizing the fuel economy. I was concerned about that same thing, though. But clearance is something you can change pretty easily with some larger tires and suspension improvements. ;)

Additionally, the components under the truck are tucked above the frame rails pretty well.

Cheers,
Mark

[The BN Guy]

Additionally, the components under the truck are tucked above the frame rails pretty well.

I definitely will agree there. Did get under that truck and was quite impressed with "tuckage".

[LexusAllTerrain]

Well I agree with you on the body beign lower , however the frontier has better ground clearance then the Tacoma evendough the Tacoma's body is higher;furthere more I think the only advantage the Tacoma has over the Frontier would be in crossing a canal or river full of water due to the body seatting higher!!!

[david despain]

this is a great thread, loads of useful info and links. i have been wishing for a new truck for a long time and for a few years i have liked the nissan and its been in the back of my head because its perfect on paper anyway. after i ran through my initial infatuation with a double cab taco so i could be cool like the other kids i realized it was out of my price range and decided to keep my current truck(see posts in full size section) but now the ol girl is looking like it may take even more work and money to make it reliable just to have a worn out truck so i started to look to a new nissan again. my wife saw an 04 for sale and said she liked the way it looked and i could go drive it. like mark said back in the first couple pages thats the most important deciding factor, gotta get her approval. i researched and found the 05-06 are a much better deal as far as power, comfort, design etc goes so i tried to find one of those. now if i can just get her to sign off on the multi thou$ difference ill be golden. i have a few specific ?s for those that have one. what kind of milage are u getting in the real world around town? is it possible or even practical to put the rear locker into a non locked axle? is the upgraded sound system worth it? and if it doesnt come with a tow package how hard is it to add the trailer plug and wiring harnes? also i wonder if there is a snorkel for it yet? they just look cool thanks david

[david despain]

i thought of a few more, has anyone used the satalite radio equiped version or if i got a satalite radio ready version would i be able to use that antena for my own aftermarket xm reciever either stand alone or built into a headunit? and probably most importantly has anyone ever put 3 car seats in the back? thanks for putting up with me.
Mark i have read some of your posts on other nissan forums and studied your website as well and i think you have a great set up and build going i am very interested to see how the rear bumper comes out as well as the sliders. i have a great chance of getting approval for the sliders as the boss isnt real tall.

[LexusAllTerrain]

First question: gas milage reports around town have beign at around 17 miles per gallon.
Second :rear locker can not be done at the dealer, will have to go with ARB.
Third question:Rockford Fosgate Sound system up grade is expensive, but very good and it comes with one or two 6" subs under the seats, (but unsure of their location)
Fourth question:tow pkg can be done in an hour, the frontiers come fully wired and ready to add the hitch a 300.00 add on.
Fifth question: snorkel not sure....but should be possible.
Sixth question: Satelite radion has been known to have some issues, freezing signals. ( xm radio blames nissan, Nissan blames XM )
And last question, 3 car seat in back, I do not understand are you talking about child seats?
Keep on asking.......

[LexusAllTerrain]

OH! and if you buy one make sure it does NOT have the ABLS a 300.00 up grade foe the fron and rear differentials you will not like it, can not use truck in deep sand......

[articulate]

this is a great thread
Couldn't have said it better myself! :)

...my wife saw an 04 for sale and said she liked the way it looked and i could go drive it. like mark said back in the first couple pages thats the most important deciding factor, gotta get her approval. i researched and found the 05-06 are a much better deal as far as power, comfort, design etc goes so i tried to find one of those. now if i can just get her to sign off
The new series Frontier (also known as the D40) has some significant advantages over the previous like comfort, space, payload, and power. Also I think this is more significant: Coil front suspension. The older series uses torsion bars. Get your sweetie into an 04, then take a spin in the new model. She'll change her mind just with the comfort difference.


what kind of milage are u getting in the real world around town? is it possible or even practical to put the rear locker into a non locked axle? is the upgraded sound system worth it? and if it doesnt come with a tow package how hard is it to add the trailer plug and wiring harnes? also i wonder if there is a snorkel for it yet? they just look cool thanks davidIn a combination of highway and city driving, I'm now getting 16-17 MPG with no load. I've increased tire size and added a lift for the sake of lift like a redneck, which affected the mileage adversely but minutely. And affected my ego in some fashion, too, but the jury is still out.

So far, there is not a third-party locker available (ARB, Detroit, or otherwise). The electric locker that comes in the NISMO edition will not mate with the differentials in the other D40 Frontiers. However, the electric locker is not available in any of the Frontiers (AKA Navara) down under, so there is a good chance ARB will be producing one. That's simple speculation on my part, really, and presuming the guts of the axles worldwide are the same.

(On a side note about that, I've been thinking I'd like to have a limited slip differential rather than a locking device...)

Got me on the sound system. If I can hear John Denver, it's good enough for me.

Eurorom is right about the hitch. The receiver bolts right on, and the truck is wired. 300 bones and an hour with a wrench and a margarita will get the job done.

Snorkel: I think it was Spencer Low Racing who manufactured one for a Frontier at SEMA this past year. I don't know of one that is in production, but based on the location and configuration of the airbox....I'd gather ARB will be producing one. Again pure speculation.

Opinion de Marko: Sometimes I wonder why I didn't pony up for the NISMO - afterall it has the locking differential, upgraded shocks, 32" tires, and skid plates. But I didn't think the $3000-$5000 was worth it. I fully anticipated re-doing the suspension to my tastes and needs, anyway....therefore the Bilstein shock upgrade was moot. The tires were going to be replaced anyway, also. Skid plates are easy to add...and OEM plates are not very heavy duty. The locker....? I decided that money was better spent doing these things my way. Besides, we got a deal on a non-NISMO with a sunroof!

Good luck with your decision. I hope I can help in some way.

Here's to life,
Mark

[articulate]

i thought of a few more, has anyone used the satalite radio equiped version or if i got a satalite radio ready version would i be able to use that antena for my own aftermarket xm reciever either stand alone or built into a headunit? and probably most importantly has anyone ever put 3 car seats in the back? thanks for putting up with me.
Mark i have read some of your posts on other nissan forums and studied your website as well and i think you have a great set up and build going i am very interested to see how the rear bumper comes out as well as the sliders. i have a great chance of getting approval for the sliders as the boss isnt real tall.
I'm clueless to the satelite radio questions and the car seats in the back.

I did put the sliders on last week. I was not only super impressed with the build on those things, but the powder coat place said it would take 10 days. 2 days after I dropped them off, they told me the sliders were coated and ready for pick up. THAT was good ol' fashioned, down-home, ma 'n pa under-promise and over-deliver. Simply awesome. Arizona Powdercoat on Washington and about 56th Street.

[flyingwil]

...I did put the sliders on last week. I was not only super impressed with the build on those things, but the powder coat place said it would take 10 days. 2 days after I dropped them off, they told me the sliders were coated and ready for pick up. THAT was good ol' fashioned, down-home, ma 'n pa under-promise and over-deliver. Simply awesome. Arizona Powdercoat on Washington and about 56th Street.

Cool Where are the Pics?

[datrupr]

Mark, c'mon man, pony up the pics of the new sliders. You can not say something like that here and not post pics. You are killin' me man.

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Ya Mark!

Don't make us come over there and take....."Spy Photo's"...!:gunt:

[david despain]

these are great real world answers that u cant get at the dealer. :bowdown: i guess the sat radio and snorkel arent really important deciding factors i was just curious and regardles of any particular answer i would probably figure out a solution that works best for me anyway. if i understand it correctly that abls is included in the nismo edition along with the other traction control stuff. only down side to all that is you lose the nifty little cubby hole to put junk in. i dont think i would pay extra for the nismo edition if i were to go with a new truck but since thats never gonna happen i am looking at 05's and i found a great deal on a nismo truck. only problem is that its in colorado and im 8 hrs away in SLC. so thats why i am researching as much as i can first. she says i have to wait another year to get a truck this expensive but if i can get her to drive one here in town maybe i can sway the popular opionion

mark if possible could u shoot me over some pics of the sliders to FOKKERMECH(AT)HOTMAIL.COM ? how well do they work as steps to help get in the truck?

no one has any ideas on child seats huh? i guess no one else is "smart" enough to have 3 under the age of 2 :eek: i will just have to test drive one here in town and try it out.

[LexusAllTerrain]

Oh! I love the little ones, however at this point in my life I only do that Part-time, since I get to play and spend some time with my Grand-children.Sorry I could not help you in that deparment!;)
Now for the ABSL, yes it is standard equipment on the NISMO and I do not like it, but others may have a different opinion! I think you should be able to get a SE model 4x4 automatic , 4door with standard cd for around 22k!:D

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Hey....Mark!

How do you fit in that Frontier>?!!

I sat in one today at my local dealer.

My head was just 2 inches from the ceiling.....and my head hit the upper window door jam if I tried to poke my head outside!

.....and there is no height adjustment on the seat!

Yikes!..........

Nice truck though!.....:shakin:

[LexusAllTerrain]

The NISMO and LE models come with an 8 way manual driver's seat with adjustable lumbar.

Headroom: 40.0/38.7 front/rear
Leg room: 42.4/33.6
all these on Crew Cab

Plenty of power and a very nice ride on washboard roads, specialy at 80mph;)

[articulate]

Sorry guys....I didn't know 'twas was a cardinal sin to TALK about a mod without SHOWING the mod! :o

Best shots of the sliders:
http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/nissan_sliders2.jpg

Toyota owners may not realize that there are manufacterers that start with letters other than D (ahem! Deaver, Donahoe, Demello....) these sliders by Shrockworks are similar in design to the (ahem) Demello jobbies.

2" square tube steel with a 2" diameter steel tube welded at that upward angle with two center supports. These suckers are mounted to the frame with through-bolts. 4 tools necessary to install these:

Wrench
Drill
Floor jack
Margarita


I might have mentioned this earlier, but I purchased them as bare steel and had them powdercoated with a textured black finish. :)

http://www.markdstephens.com/las_cienegas_conservation/nissan_frontier_2.jpg
It doesn't quite have that expedition look yet, no thanks to that incredibly large chrome bumper. An ARB bull bar with a winch would handle that in one shot. :chowtime:

There you go!

Be well,
Mark

[cshontz]

An ARB bull bar with a winch would handle that in one shot.

Damn right! :)

I love your Frontier, Mark. Keep the updates coming, and don't forget pictures. I really like the designs of Nissan's current product line, particularly the Frontier, Pathfinder, and XTerra. They're great looking vehicles. I'm glad you're putting yours to use.

[LexusAllTerrain]

Any body in here has any issues with the ABSL other then my self?

[datrupr]

Nice looking sliders Mark, the truck is coming along very nicely. An ARB bull bar would look way sweet on that truck, and then pull a "Brady" and Hammar-Rite your large chrome grill too.;) :D

[david despain]

that first pic of the sliders is a great view of them it shows how they fit and look perfectly. i must say they look fantastic, just super sexy. how do u feel about the fact that the "wings" come up at an angle and do u see this as a problem with them getting bent or levered up against the doors? do u feel they are strong enough to rest on them or use them as jack points without tearing or bending or damaging something? looking very nice:clapsmile

[articulate]

Damn right! :)

I love your Frontier, Mark. Keep the updates coming, and don't forget pictures. I really like the designs of Nissan's current product line, particularly the Frontier, Pathfinder, and XTerra. They're great looking vehicles. I'm glad you're putting yours to use.
Thanks, 'migo. At first I wasn't totally keen on the body styling, but I like it more and more.


Nice looking sliders Mark, the truck is coming along very nicely. An ARB bull bar would look way sweet on that truck, and then pull a "Brady" and Hammar-Rite your large chrome grill too.;) :D clever :D


Any body in here has any issues with the ABSL other then my self?We opted out of the ABLS, so I have nothing to contribute there....


how do u feel about the fact that the "wings" come up at an angle and do u see this as a problem with them getting bent or levered up against the doors? do u feel they are strong enough to rest on them or use them as jack points without tearing or bending or damaging something? looking very nice:clapsmileThanks, David. I'm really not fond of the wing. I'd prefer just a rail with no step. But then the sliders wouldn't be useful as a jacking point (with a hi-lift, anyway) without the tube step due to the roundedness of the body. The steel is a heavy gauge, so they are not going to distort easily. Probably best to jack close to one of the welded supports should the occasion arise, though.

[articulate]

Hey, who knows what's in this box?????

:jumping: :box:

(insert your favorite evil laughter....)

[datrupr]

Ohh oh oh oh oh, I know, I know! Pick me Pick Me!

[Zaphod]

Jimmy Hoffa? :p

[articulate]

Say it with me: Roof Tent

Just arrived today.

Now, how in the HELL am I going to mount this beast? And before the weekend, to boot?

http://www.markdstephens.com/images/smilies/scratchhead.gif

[Scott Brady]

Any body in here has any issues with the ABSL other then my self?

I would preffer ABSL over nothing, and have found it quite effective in moderate terrain. Combined with a locking center differential the results can be impressive.

[Scott Brady]

Say it with me: Roof Tent


YEAH BABY! :jumping:

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Sweet Mark!

But whatzupwitdat>?!

For being such a Very Kewl Thing!!!!

.....that's about the crappiest picture you have ever taken!....hehe:elkgrin:

[LexusAllTerrain]

I would preffer ABSL over nothing, and have found it quite effective in moderate terrain. Combined with a locking center differential the results can be impressive.


How do you figure that, have you actually used the Xterra or Frontier in deep sand on the dunes? I am very relunctant to venture in a very remote area with DEEP SAND on a Xterra or Frontier.However I will get a NISMO Frontier with the locking differential and try it out....AGAIN
I tought I would need momentum and speed to climb the dunes???:(

[Scott Brady]

How do you figure that, have you actually used the Xterra or Frontier in deep sand on the dunes? I am very relunctant to venture in a very remote area with DEEP SAND on a Xterra or Frontier.However I will get a NISMO Frontier with the locking differential and try it out....AGAIN
I tought I would need momentum and speed to climb the dunes???:(

I have driven many vehicles (05 Jeep GC, Discovery II, Freelander, Range Rover, 4Runner, etc.) with traction control and find it to be a significant improvement over open diffs.. Pull the fuse or wire in a dissable switch for deep sand if necessary. :D

[Scott Brady]

Here are a few good examples of traction control in use:

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2003/FR42_2003/fr42_climb1.wmv

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2003/FR42_2003/fr42_scott_lift.wmv

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2003/Big_lake_AZ_2003/Rover_mound.wmv

[LexusAllTerrain]

Pull the fuse or wire in a dissable switch for deep sand if necessary.

Will check tomorow if this is possible, that would be great news:D

[articulate]

Sweet Mark!

But whatzupwitdat>?!

For being such a Very Kewl Thing!!!!

.....that's about the crappiest picture you have ever taken!....hehe:elkgrin:
I've read that the purpose of "art is to ask questions."

Even though you raised the question But whatzupwitdat>?!, does not mean that photograph was intended as art.

BWAHAHA!

[articulate]

Pull the fuse or wire in a dissable switch for deep sand if necessary. :D

I can hear Uwe saying Just mod it.

Euro, to re-say what Scott did, wiring in a kill switch would be a cool thing to do. And probably pretty easy, too.

[LexusAllTerrain]

I did some testing of my own, and I think I read somewhere you had to floor it in deep sand with out lifting your foot off the gas, if you do then the ABSL would kick in! Well it is true;) I went to the dunes and it works as described DO NOT lift your foot of the gas or the ABSL will kick in!:victory:

[Scott Brady]

DO NOT lift your foot of the gas or the ABSL will kick in!:victory:

Cool. That must make for an exciting ride :Wow1:

How did the truck behave without WOT on the dunes?

[LexusAllTerrain]

How did the truck behave without WOT on the dunes?

Well it was alot of fun:o :jumping: We were jumping hard, but it behave very well.
Thank you for the information and bringing some of the issues that I had a concern with- out into the open, and I hope this helps others in the forum...:bowdown:

[BajaTaco]

Hey Mark, you are moving along quickly! ;) Congrats on the new goodies :jumping:

[articulate]

Hey Mark, you are moving along quickly! ;) Congrats on the new goodies :jumping:
:elkgrin:

Yeah, and I wonder if I'm acting hastily sometimes, but Brooke gets a kick out of it all. Again, spousal approval is everything.

Perhaps we ought to take it slow, though, for the next while. I do have to figure out an appropriate and solid rear suspension -- the leafs are already near-flat (yipe!). :coffee:

I've read and re-read the portions on your website about suspensions, thank you very much.

Viva Baja, as they say.

Mark

[articulate]

Frankly, I took the advice of most expeditioners and plunged into a roof tent. I got REALLY sold during a conversation with Kristina and Pasquale; their magic words were, "We hardly ever spend money on a hotel any more since we got the tent and the hot water shower system." I raise my glass.

The tent purchase is due to the government sanctioned savings system we call a Tax Return.

To use it for the weekend, I bought a couple of 1" square steel tubes that I cut to size, drilled and painted for mounting across the bed. The tent simply bolted to the tubes. Worked like a charm.

Here's a really cool thing: the Eezi-Awn has doors on both ends. So, I figured out that I can set up a small platform outside the door that opens up over the bed and cook some breakfast or hot chocolate for my wife first thing in the morning.

If it weren't for marriage, who knows where I'd be. :D

thanks for humoring me, boys and girls....

[datrupr]

Mark, looking very nice.:clapsmile I think I am going to hold off on the roof top tent until I get an adventure trailer. The Frontier is looking very good though.

[BajaTaco]

Oh man, and with the bikes... !! How could you be any more happy? :luxhello: Very cool pics. "Two peas in a pod" if there ever was.



I've read and re-read the portions on your website about suspensions, thank you very much.

Viva Baja, as they say.

You are very welcome! Good luck on your quest, and don't hesitate to bounce around ideas here.

[whitethaiger]

Wow Mark, very nice! Can't believe how much has happened since we just saw that truck on Camino el Diablo!

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Hey Mark!

Just stopped in to check on your progress.

Looks Awesome!:shakin:

Happy for you that the tent finally made it!:jumping:

Glad you are already having way too much fun with your new truck!:cool:


~Mark

[Life_in_4Lo]

aw man, that's so cool. I am looking into the rooftop tent thing so I'm jealous

about disabling traction control, here is a Toyota version some guys figured out. I know you have a Nissan but maybe it will give you ideas.
http://www.yotatech.com/showpost.php?p=541759&postcount=351
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/aowalter/4Runner/Newswitch1.jpg

The thread is so long and convoluted, with alot of misinfo on the newer 4R's but maybe this can help you with your quest to disable the atrac
http://www.yotatech.com/showpost.php?p=541759

[bluerunner]

I really do love the look and styling of the new Frontier as well, looks alot more aggressive, cant wait to see it become more expedition ready!

Have you decided what the next mod will be??? Maybe Old Man Emu has something you need...

:elkgrin:

[Allahades]

Hello all,

I usually post over on 4wdtrips.net, but I've been following Mark's thread here on his Frontier-- especially since he got his roof tent. :bowdown: Very nice. I want one for my 05 Xterra.

Eurorom wrote:


...are you noticing any lack of power when you are in Low range? That is the word out! I feel it might be the limited slip differentials in front and back since they use the brakes to send the power to the tire with the most traction!!???

Hey, Eurorom, I've noticed that Nissan has been advertising that the Frontiers/Xterras have "dual throttle mapping in 4LO [which] allows precise throttle control in extreme off-road conditions."

So, if the computer is "desensitizing" (Nissan's term) the gas pedal when you're in 4lo, I wonder if this could this be part of the reason why Frontier/Xterra owners are reporting a loss of power?

Thoughts, anyone?

[LexusAllTerrain]

Nice to hear from you here,
ALLahadesI wonder what the rest of the people would say from the Xterra and Frontier???
dual throttle mapping in 4LO [which] allows precise throttle control in extreme off-road conditions." are they talking about rock crawling?:o

[david despain]

Will check tomorow if this is possible, that would be great news:D

mine comes with 2 different switches to disable the electronic traction control, nissan calls it vdc. one labeled VDC off and one label E-Lock:D of course as it stands now that second one is only useable in 4LO but the other one works anytime.

[articulate]

Boys-n-girls:
I'm closing in on some projects here.

1. I've got my water tank (15 gallons) and water pump - the Sure-flo 2.8 or however it's spelled. I need to figure out if I want to yank the spare tire and put the tank below (and well armored), or in the bed somewhere. What are you guys using for shower heads and faucets?

2. The "roof" tent is in good order. The current set up is two simple steel rails that are bolted to the bed rails. When we head out, I bolt the tent on and we go. After a couple of trips, it's just fine. I don't mind the 5-10 minutes.

Although I kind of want a better system with more thought and purpose to it. The rails just get me by for now.

After looking into having a rack fabricated, I realized that I already have a rack that would be perfect:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/reviews/olyrack/39.jpg
It's a Mountaineer rack made by Olympic for Jeep TJs. I have one in my Jeep, and it's the PERFECT size for what I want to do. I think I'll purchase this rack to mount over the bed. This will do a few things:

Create an intersting place for storage and organization (and keep it low!)
Better, cleaner system for tent mounting
When the tent is off, the rails will have a purpose
It's unique :ylsmoke:


Of course, the whole reason that it's unique might be because it's a stupid idea. For $177 I'm willing to be a pioneer.

Any thoughts, considerations, objections to this idea?

I love this place.....thanks.

Cheers,
Mark

[david despain]

mark, does your truck have the utilitrack bed rails and factory sprayed in bed liner? if so, one option would be to some how sort out a way to attach and secure the tent to the bed using them as secure mounting attach points. i have heard and am doing some research to find out if in fact they are the same (or close enough) size as uni-strut stuff. if so i plan on making a bunch of mounts for stuff like shovel hi-lift , spare tire and storage box.
I personally like the idea of the water tank where the spare goes for a couple of reasons.
#1, I dont like having the spare underneath the truck when off road as its just too big of a pain to get to it in the dirt. its gonna be all kinda dirty and muddy and worst of all it may be physically impossible to get it out if you get a flat or tear the sidewall and the road or rocks or whatever may make it impossible to retrive it from storage with out being on jacks and that just increases the chances for something to go wrong. also when loaded down the tire would be closer to the ground thus increasing the chance it would get drug over something sharp.
#2 it keeps the center of gravity lower. that would be a good place to put a skid plate and there are good potential mounting solutions for both the tank and skid back there. i think it could tuck up pretty well too.

the down side to this plan is that now you would HAVE to mount your spare permanently in the bed exposing it to sun and loosing bed space. of course it would be easier to check the pressure in it though so at least you would reduce the likelyhood of having a flat spare.

i like the idea and love to see the progress you have made. it just makes me want to get going on mine even more. are you planning on mounting the "jeep" rack so that the top of its rails are even and flush with the tops of the bed rails or will it mount to the top of the bed rails? the little girl in the 3rd pic looks to be about the same age as my girls. i really look forward to the day when they are old enough to go out with me for a day trip, i just need to convince the wife thats a good idea.

[kcowyo]

4. It's unique :ylsmoke:

Of course, the whole reason that it's unique might be because it's a stupid idea. For $177 I'm willing to be a pioneer.

Any thoughts, considerations, objections to this idea?



A unique pioneer.... You're the man Mark :clapsmile

I like the rack idea, but I would keep the water tank in the bed. I have a feeling you'll want and need easier access to the tank than to your spare. The tent looks great too by the way!

I'm sure I don't need to mention that stupid sounding ideas are often the launching pad to genius. Or not......

[articulate]

..are you planning on mounting the "jeep" rack so that the top of its rails are even and flush with the tops of the bed rails or will it mount to the top of the bed rails? the little girl in the 3rd pic looks to be about the same age as my girls. i really look forward to the day when they are old enough to go out with me for a day trip, i just need to convince the wife thats a good idea.
David - Yes I do have the utili trac thing and the sprayed bed. For the rack, I'd bolt it to the two steel rails I have that are holding the tent now. So it would end up above the bed. I keep deliberating in my head if this is what I really want to do, so I haven't purchased it yet. I should just go friggin' do it.

I'll solicit some thoughts from the boys at the Climb and Crawl this weekend.

Dude, that little girl in the picture (who is my niece, not my daughter) was camping at 3 months old...and premature. The kids tend to enjoy adventuring more than adults. Saint-Exupery wrote, "Only the children know what they are looking for."


I like the rack idea, but I would keep the water tank in the bed. I have a feeling you'll want and need easier access to the tank than to your spare. The tent looks great too by the way!

I'm sure I don't need to mention that stupid sounding ideas are often the launching pad to genius. Or not......
The tank, amigo, will be outfitted with a port in the side of the truck so I can fill it like I fill the gas tank. And having the electric pump allows me to configure a handy dispensing method with a faucet and shower head. I don't think I'll need the tank to be very accessible accept to drain and maintain.

Here's to life.

Mark

[The Swiss]

That starts looking good, Mark!

[articulate]

I feel so bad about neglecting my own build thread....

However! I have some new mods to the truck. Stay tuned for:

Water tank and shower system
New rear bumper
Double battery system


I know, I know. I have no pictures yet, so why the heck did I post? Just too excited I suppose. I spent the entire weekend either on my back or with a wrench in my hand. I'm one sore SOB.

Everything is coming together in the knick of time for the Mainland Mexico (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1263) adventure that begins June 23.

All apologies....I'll have photos up tonight!

Be well,
Mark

[Scott Brady]

Awesome :jump:

[articulate]

I was a hair premature, but here are the updates.

Water tank is installed under the bed of the truck, and I have the hoses in place.

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/water2.jpg

I used high pressure hose for the supply line, and a smaller 1/4" line for a breather tube. The drain has a simple threaded plug. A large 1-1/2" hose connects to an awesome marine-style fill thingymajig. I went to the boat store in Tempe and the guy there pointed me to it:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/water1.jpg

I don't have the dual battery completed, so I haven't hooked up the pump yet. Although I do have the following:

Battery Manager system and relay from wranglernw.com (http://www.wranglernw.com/)
Optima Yellow top battery
Aux. fuse block (that cool thing Flying Wil has in his thread (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13861&postcount=74))
Heavy duty battery hold down (that cool thing Scott displayed in his thread (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20208&postcount=293))


The rear bumper was a necessity for two things:

Rear recovery points
Somewhere to put the spare tire

And as a bonus, I no longer have a chrome bumper and now sport a more macho, tough look. My lovely date-for-life is modeling it here:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/bumper4.jpg
I didn't realize the light was so poor on the bumper, but she came out pretty good. :) She came out to the garage to ask me if I was done yet...as you can see, she was ready to "go out." I wouldn't miss a chance to go into public with her, so the tire had to get into place later. The bumper will hold a jerry can as well.

I learned to never underestimate the utilitarian value of a ratchet strap or two from the famed Mario Donovan (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=963&page=2). I was able to employ two of them (straps not Marios) to raise the 200-pound bumper into place with ease:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/bumper2.jpg

A couple of cotton rags prevented the hardware from scratching the paint.

Whew! It's coming along.........

Cheers,
Mark

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Mark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's Exactly where I would put the water tank!!!!!!!!!

Underneath!!!!!!!!!!

My only wish is that I would have such a lovely Model as YOU!!!!!!!!!.........hehe


Aloha! ................Mark

[datrupr]

Looking very good Mark!!!! Now, with that chrome rear bumper gone, what are you gonna do with the HUGE chrome Front bumper?? Keep us posted, this is a fun thread.

[Scott Brady]

Awesome stuff Mark! Thanks for keeping us up-to-date.

That truck is going to look wicked with the swingout spare... :clapsmile

Edit: Oh, and if you want some help building a skidplate for the water tank, let me know.

[david despain]

fantastic! what rear bumper did you use or did you build it yourself? looks fabulous

[articulate]

David -
I did not build it myself. I haven't a clue about welding....although I did learn a little.

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/bumper1.jpg

I purchased it from Kennesaw. They do have some poor reviews on service and quality, but I was unaware of that until after I spoke with the owner and made the order. I'll admit that there are some flaws with my bumper, but Kyle was good to work with. I told him I had a deadline, and he met it. And it's a heavy duty and well-built bumper.

I have a feeling my swing gate was the first he made for this new model Frontier. My tire mount was welded too low, and the lug studs were a perfect 1" off. I couldn't get my tire on. Even if I could, it covered my license plate. I cashed in a favor with a co worker and had the mount cut off an re-welded in the proper place after I made a new plate with the correct spacing between the lug studs.

Also! The mounting plates that bolt to the frame have an issue. They are 1/4" thick and need to be drilled. That's no so bad. This is bad: the holes have to be 5/8" diameter and done by hand - that's not only a *****, but it's also dangerous. There's a slim chance any mortal like me could get that bumper up on a drill press to poke those holes. Between rests and drilling sessions, it took me about 4 hours to get those 6 holes in there.

I lost about 8 pounds that day. :)

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/bumper2.jpg

That gas can is a fine Scepter unit I procured from our very own Mario of Adventure Trailers.

Cheers,
Mark

[erin]

:coffee:
Very sweet set-up Mark. Glad to here I'm not the only one who hates drilling big holes in thick steel, so much fun!

Any ideas for a front setup yet?

[The BN Guy]

Mark looks sweet!

I just finished the main modifications to my rear bumper now just need to tie up some loose ends, buy some steel for the swing gate and I'll slowly be catching up to ya!

[articulate]

:coffee:
Very sweet set-up Mark. Glad to here I'm not the only one who hates drilling big holes in thick steel, so much fun!

Any ideas for a front setup yet?
:D You know what helps drill those holes? Margaritas.

On the front......yikes. A big winch-style bumper (like the ARB Bull Bar) seems to be the most "practical" idea, with the exception of the added weight. I don't think a pre-runner style unit would be appropriate for my truck.

I'm going to sit tight before doing anything to the front bumper.


Mark looks sweet!

I just finished the main modifications to my rear bumper now just need to tie up some loose ends, buy some steel for the swing gate and I'll slowly be catching up to ya!
Excellent! Can't wait to see it. Is your entire rear bumper home brewed, or are you adding a swing to some other manufactured aftermarket unit?

Thanks for your interest boys.
Cheers,
Mark

[The BN Guy]

Well, the stocker went as I was buying it...the second was custom built and that's what I'm building onto. I am still trying to decide which type of swing gate to build. One similar to yours or one like Scott's.

[SinCity4r]

Do you plan on fashioning a skid for the water tank? It looks like it could be in the line of fire.

Nice bumper!

[articulate]

Do you plan on fashioning a skid for the water tank? It looks like it could be in the line of fire.

Nice bumper!
Oh yeah, skid plate for sure. Scott posted earlier that he'd help me out with that.

The tank sits higher than the spare tire did, though. I took that shot of the bumper pretty low to the ground to help show the tank (doesn't it look cool?), and consequently it appears to be hanging lower than it really does.

The plastic they make the tanks out of is very flexible, and I believe it would take one hell of a hit to make it fracture, shatter or crack. Theories and experiences are different animals, so we'll see.

Either way, a skid is important and coming soon.

[Mlachica]

After seeing your thread about your mexico trip I had to come check out your mods. Awesome truck Mark, I like it! You're hooking things up quick :victory: Your website is great too, I've got a lot to read and browse through :coffee:

On a side note, my brother-in-law's name is Mark Stephens

[articulate]

After seeing your thread about your mexico trip I had to come check out your mods. Awesome truck Mark, I like it! You're hooking things up quick :victory: Your website is great too, I've got a lot to read and browse through :coffee:

On a side note, my brother-in-law's name is Mark Stephens
Many thanks! I didn't see your post until now, sorry about that.

Oddly, I got an email from a Mark Stephens in Ireland once also.

The mod game is far from over, too............. :Wow1:

[articulate]

We've got trouble brewing, boys and girls.
:gunt:





Yeah, uh-huh. It appears I've wasted some time on the internet this morning and found this:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/nissan_frontier_bull_bar.jpg
ARB has released the bull bar for D40 Nissan Frontiers/Navaras. The refined craftsmanship, design, fit-n-finish of ARB products is not easy to argue with. I don't know, though, if these are available in the U.S. yet.

Bolting one of these on the truck would have the emotional equivalent of going out with that hottie you drooled over in high school but never had the gonads to speak two words to her.

Should that not be enough of the fun news, TJM has released their fording kit (s-n-o-r-k-e-l) for the Nissan D40 Frontier/Navara as well:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/frontier_snorkel.jpg
Again, I don't know if these are hitting the U.S. market anytime soon. But this makes interesting news nonetheless.

:coffee:
Mark

[david despain]

hmmmm do u think they would charge me extra if i turned in my truck at the lease end with a big hole cut into the fender? :jumping: yeah i want some of that.

[BajaTaco]

:jumping: chant now... "DOOOO IT, DOOOO IT, DOOOO IT!" :p

[datrupr]

:jumping: chant now... "DOOOO IT, DOOOO IT, DOOOO IT!" :p
Yup, I am chanting with you Chris. C'mon Mark, you know you want it, just do it and get it over with. It'll make ya feel good:shakin:

[articulate]

Yup, I am chanting with you Chris. C'mon Mark, you know you want it, just do it and get it over with. It'll make ya feel good:shakin:
Hang on here....

something might happen.

I need a friend to take my wallet...

Guys, you're the BEST. Just what I need is encouragement.

[articulate]

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/nissan_frontier_bull_bar.jpg
ARB has released the bull bar for D40 Nissan Frontiers/Navaras. The refined craftsmanship, design, fit-n-finish of ARB products is not easy to argue with. I don't know, though, if these are available in the U.S. yet.

Bolting one of these on the truck would have the emotional equivalent of going out with that hottie you drooled over in high school but never had the gonads to speak two words to her.

Should that not be enough of the fun news, TJM has released their fording kit (s-n-o-r-k-e-l) for the Nissan D40 Frontier/Navara as well:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/frontier_snorkel.jpg
Again, I don't know if these are hitting the U.S. market anytime soon. But this makes interesting news nonetheless.

:coffee:
Mark

[B]Oh crap!
Well, I found this today:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/snorkel_frontier.jpg
Nissan Frontier Snorkel (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=4175&category_id=f9d8a87925d843840e8ac32a498b260c) For a mere $280. No documentation on the fit and finish, but it looks like an ARB unit, doesn't it? And far better looking than the TJM one.

You know what's really sick? Brooke would LOVE it. :Wow1:

I cannot think of a single reason not to have this thing. Can someone please provide me with one? Just one. That's all I ask.

But I've got Chris and Aaron saying: chant now... "DOOOO IT, DOOOO IT, DOOOO IT!"

:elkgrin:

[david despain]

oh man that arb snorkel looks so much better! its so kick *** i dont even know what to say except buy it then i can try to use that to convince my wife to let me get one :violent-smiley-031:

[BajaTaco]

DOOO IT! DOOOO IT!

Yea, that looks like an ARB. Sweet. Not a bad price either considering they have gone up a lot in the past year or so.

[datrupr]

Well, Mark, if Super Cool Chick would love it, then there is only one thing to do.


DOOOO IT! DOOOO IT! DOOOO IT!

You gotta keep the Missus happy:victory: :D

[kcowyo]

...and I quote -


While getting air back in my tires at the gas station in Superior, a heavy, middle-aged man with a beard and a baseball hat approached me.


"Hey," he began pointing at my Jeep. "You use that snorkel very much?"


"Every time the engine is on, buddy." I winked, trying to be good humored.


"Ha. I mean the water. You ever go in that deep?"


"Well, I've been up just past the hood once in a flash flood - and it was scary has hell. At least my engine could breathe. I've got the snorkel really for getting clean air; then again, why do any of us put stuff on our Jeeps anyway? Know what I mean?"


"Yeah. You locked in either axle?"


"No. My rear axle is just a Dana 35, so I think putting a locker in that would be dangerous. It has a limited slip differential, and I've used the e-brake trick in a couple of circumstances for the locking effect." He looked puzzled at this, and changed the topic.


"I've got a eighty-two CJ. You know anyone who wants one? I restored her up from nuthin. And I mean nuthin. It had been buried in mud fer 'bout three months. My buddy and I dug it up and spent 3 years getting it running again. We put in a Dana 44 with a Detroit, a new engine from a YJ, all new interior, bed-linered the tub, chrome wheels with thirty-fives. The works."


"No, sorry man"


"No big deal. So, you ain't gotta locker in that thing, but you gotta snorkel? How the hell you do any trails out here? You can't do squat in Arizona without bein' locked....."


Like most middle-aged men with a young guy at his mercy, he lectured me on how tough Arizona trails are and how important certain pieces of equipment are absolutely necessary.

How do you go about telling someone, I'm just out here trying to regain my feet and pounding heart. Try interrupting with that one...




You like this little tete-a-tete?
Read more of these insightful adventures into the why, how and where we do what we do, right here - MarkF'nStephens.com (http://www.markdstephens.com/adventures.html)

[articulate]

Dave, Chris, Aaron - you guys are three for three. Like me, you can't find a single reason why I shouldn't smack on a snorkel, eh?

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/snorkel_frontier.jpg

My palms are getting all sweaty. Both vehicles in the suburban garage of the Stephens Homestead with snorkels? How inappropriate. (which is part of the appeal!)

:088:

These new smilies rock.

[articulate]

...and I quote -

What is this? Using my own words against me? The web backfired on me!

Yet another side effect of having a snorkel is answering everybody who asks, "So...you use that often?"

[kcowyo]

What is this? Using my own words against me? The web backfired on me!


"How do you go about telling someone, I'm just out here trying to regain my feet and pounding heart. Try interrupting with that one..."

Best explanation I've ever read of something so difficult to put into words. You've had the power to go home all along Dorothy.....:box:

[erin]

:coffee:
Just remember, giving in to temptation is sssooooooo satisfying!

[articulate]

"How do you go about telling someone, I'm just out here trying to regain my feet and pounding heart. Try interrupting with that one..."

Best explanation I've ever read of something so difficult to put into words. You've had the power to go home all along Dorothy.....:box:
Okay, butthead.

Thanks to you using that line, and these interesting posts about conservation lately, I've been having an inner conflict. A "going within" regarding all this nonsense about smacking a snorkel onto the truck. There is not much of a connection between having a cool gear and doing this thing of getting outside by means of feet and heart.

I thank you. I'm close to getting re-centered.


Just remember, giving in to temptation is sssooooooo satisfying!
Aye, carrumba! Reminds me of a conversation between the first woman and a serpent. :ylsmoke:

I still think the snorkel will happen. :) I feel better after sorting it all out with the feet-n-heart of me that gets the real benefit of four-by-fourin'.

You fellas rock.:beer:

[bigreen505]

There is not much of a connection between having a cool gear and doing this thing of getting outside by means of feet and heart.

On the other hand, if you don't get the right cool gear for the cool places you want to go, your heart and feet will have lots of time to connect with mother earth. :D

[kcowyo]

Jimminy Christmas, I'm saying get it!! :littlefriend:


Maybe I misunderstood.....
I thought it meant get of your *** and make yourself happy and don't sweat those who think a box - :box:

[Scott Brady]

Oh, get the snorkel, you know you want it. It allows the engine to run more efficient, which uses less fuel and saves the planet.

besides, its not like they are manufactured in a sweat shop in India. It is a safety device used to keep you and your super cool bride safe :p

[articulate]

You guys are effin' awesome. Bigreen (my goodness....what could that mean?), you're on the money. Gracias.

KC, I know what you meant. But it was my own damned words coming back at me and saying something new. It's a dangerous thing, language. :yikes: I can't tell you what "I'm just out here trying to regain my feet and pounding heart" means to you. I'm glad you found something, though.

This whole thing was self serving, wasn't it? Who am I kidding? Ask a bunch of truck mod-heads and exploration freaks what they think about a snorkel? What kind of answer did I expect?
:rockon:
But it sure was fun.

And with this abstract horsehockey, fruitcake, dimwit BS about FEELINGS they might kick me out o' every 'wheelin network and turn me into a four-by-four refugee.

Let me hike up my pants, spit, and fart like the rest of 'em with a can a' beer in my hand for a good cover. No really, I'm macho. Really. See, I've got a lift and a snorkel. Put 'em on myself with the aid of 10 Michelob Ultras..

There are more than enough words on this forum about my life... Let's get back to discussing things that can get dented, broken, drilled, and welded before I let out too much.

[articulate]

Oh, get the snorkel, you know you want it. It allows the engine to run more efficient, which uses less fuel and saves the planet.

besides, its not like they are manufactured in a sweat shop in India. It is a safety device used to keep you and your super cool bride safe :p
WINNER!

[BajaTaco]

There are more than enough words on this forum about my life... Let's get back to discussing things that can get dented, broken, drilled, and welded before I let out too much.

LOL!! If I catch you installing a snorkel whilst drinking Michelob Ultra, I will... :sport_box ... and then buy you a proper beer. :ylsmoke:

[BajaTaco]

I just had a thought. I think you will be visiting the north country soon... and there is a guy here that you and I both know, who has a hole-saw perfect for an ARB snorkel... you may want to verify the required hole size, and if it's the one, there is your divine sign... time to order it. We can install it while you are up here, using the very same hole saw that has torn its way into the chest of more than one well-traveled expedition vehicle. :p

[articulate]

I just had a thought. I think you will be visiting the north country soon... and there is a guy here that you and I both know, who has a hole-saw perfect for an ARB snorkel... you may want to verify the required hole size, and if it's the one, there is your divine sign... time to order it. We can install it while you are up here, using the very same hole saw that has torn its way into the chest of more than one well-traveled expedition vehicle. :p
Man! What are friends for if they won't say things like this to you?

:rockon:

Consider it done. http://www.markdstephens.com/images/smilies/snorkel.gif

[Scott Brady]

Actually, all you really need is a fridge, then all of the worlds tracks are your oyster... :cool:

Its almost like installing lockers front and rear.:rockon:

[BajaTaco]

:xxrotflma

Mark, love the snorkel smiley :D

[articulate]

Actually, all you really need is a fridge, then all of the worlds tracks are your oyster... :cool:

Its almost like installing lockers front and rear.:rockon:
:xxrotflma Good one!



Mark, love the snorkel smiley :D
:p What a shame the red truck "smiley" doesn't have a snorkel on it.

To get back to some level of seriousness, the snorkel is on my short list for sure. It's affordable and all that, but I've got to go in stages. I finally got an adequte truck bed tool box and I'm ready to wire up my second battery! I believe Scott is letting me write up a build series on this truck, so I'll cover the details there. :victory:

This stuff rocks.

[BajaTaco]

This stuff rocks.

Yes it does! :rockon: No sweat on the snorkel... we're not trying to pressure you or anything like that. :p

[flyingwil]

Wow! Mark you have made some changes since I last saw your truck in my driveway. "Sweet mother of all that is holy..."

Just a quick question about your water tank... what if you take a rock to it?

[articulate]

Wow! Mark you have made some changes since I last saw your truck in my driveway. "Sweet mother of all that is holy..."

Just a quick question about your water tank... what if you take a rock to it?
:) Yes, it all started with a chopped tail pipe.

If a rock hits the tank, I presume I'll hear a THUD!, or maybe a PLONK! against the shiney new skid plate. And keep on driving...:088:

Okay, that was a little smartass, but no harm intended.

:victory:
The Mastermind of Expeditions West helped me make a skid for it not long ago, and he has all the photos. Maybe we can persuade him to share. He helped me streamline a couple details and refined the mounting a little bit, too.

AND! I was up late into the night last night finishing the dual battery installation. That was a ton of fun. Another friend helped me and also streamlined the way I had it configured. If I've learned anything, it's better to do this stuff with a little help.

[flyingwil]

Cool! Pics will be cool!

[flyingwil]

Ok, now, Mr. Slacker... Where are the pictures of the tank set up, dual battery set up and your (read Brooke's) new snorkel?

[articulate]

Ok, now, Mr. Slacker... Where are the pictures of the tank set up, dual battery set up and your (read Brooke's) new snorkel?
Damn! sorry, amigo! I've got to ride Scott's rearend 'cuz he's got the pics.

But! He's letting me write some articles about the truck, so uh, the pics of the dual battery will go there first. That's my next section to write up... :)

He's a busy SOB, though. Perhaps he'll grace us soon.

:mixed-smiley-030: <- what does this one mean, anyway? It's funny.

[Scott Brady]

Good timing Mark: Almost finished with the intro.

[Scott Brady]

Without further delay, here is the introduction to the Expedition Portal vehicle build for 2006/2007

Mark and Brooke's Frontier (http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment/vehicles/feature_vehicle/2005_Nissan_Frontier.php)

http://www.expeditionportal.com/equipment/vehicles/feature_vehicle/images/Intro/stock6.jpg

[FourByLand]

Mark,

Once you put the water in the tank... I didnt see how you got it back. out?

Truck looking great, Any decision made on the snorkel?

:lurk:

[Redback]

Hi Mark, nice Ute, (thats pronounced yoot) sorry aussie slang, anyway i don't know if you have a locker in mind anymore but i read you had some concerns on the strength of the standard CVs and axles on your truck, these utes are very popular here (called Nissan Navara here) and are a very capable vehicle and are renowned for their strong drivetrain, putting a locker will only strengthen them and the STANDARD CVs and axles will be OK, putting a front locker combined with the rear LSD is a very popular mod on the Nissan here. (as long as your not Rock crawling that is)

Like the Patrol they are strong and the LSD is the best in the bussiness.

Baz.

[articulate]

Mark,

Once you put the water in the tank... I didnt see how you got it back. out?

Truck looking great, Any decision made on the snorkel?

:lurk:
AH! Yes, of course. Sorry for that. In words: I have a 12v pump that sucks the water out and into a handy hand-held shower. The pictures will be coming with part 2 of the series.... :beer:



Hi Mark, nice Ute, (thats pronounced yoot) sorry aussie slang, anyway i don't know if you have a locker in mind anymore but i read you had some concerns on the strength of the standard CVs and axles on your truck, these utes are very popular here (called Nissan Navara here) and are a very capable vehicle and are renowned for their strong drivetrain, putting a locker will only strengthen them and the STANDARD CVs and axles will be OK, putting a front locker combined with the rear LSD is a very popular mod on the Nissan here. (as long as your not Rock crawling that is)

Like the Patrol they are strong and the LSD is the best in the bussiness.

Baz.
Thanks, Baz. (who names their sweet child Baz? :) )
My gut tells me that an air locker in the rear axle would be fun.

It's a little puzzling these days if ARB will produce one for the U.S. market since there is a factory option available here (in the NISMO package). I understand that the Navara D40 (down under) does not have a factory locker available....would you know if that's true?

Either way, the problem is that the NISMO has a different axle. So that factory device won't work in my axle. I'm left to hope on fate in the aftermarket. I wouldn't be opposed to a LSD, either, if one is available. I haven't looked recently for either option.

Well, I'm glad for your vote of confidence, too! Thanks for your input. By all means, if you have more to share feel free to do so.

:beer:

Mark

[Redback]

AH! Yes, of course. Sorry for that. In words: I have a 12v pump that sucks the water out and into a handy hand-held shower. The pictures will be coming with part 2 of the series.... :beer:



Thanks, Baz. (who names their sweet child Baz? :) )
My gut tells me that an air locker in the rear axle would be fun.

It's a little puzzling these days if ARB will produce one for the U.S. market since there is a factory option available here (in the NISMO package). I understand that the Navara D40 (down under) does not have a factory locker available....would you know if that's true?

Either way, the problem is that the NISMO has a different axle. So that factory device won't work in my axle. I'm left to hope on fate in the aftermarket. I wouldn't be opposed to a LSD, either, if one is available. I haven't looked recently for either option.

Well, I'm glad for your vote of confidence, too! Thanks for your input. By all means, if you have more to share feel free to do so.

:beer:

Mark

Ha ha, Baz or Bazza is a nickname for Barry, aussie slang again, just like Waz or Wazza is for Warren:D

Yeah it's true, in fact there is no factory locker availabe for any of the Nissan range here, only aftermarket lockers, although if buy a new Nissan the dealer will have it fitted with ARB lockers for you if you request it along with any other accessory you wish as part of a package.

The Cruiser here is available with factory elec lockers but ARB still make a locker for them too, as well the factory elec lockers are only available fitted in Japan they won't let the local dealer fit the factory elec lockers, if you want lockers they will do the same as with the Nissan package, it's a deal that ARB have with the local dealers here.

Try TJM too, they have the Pro Locker it's made by Jack MacNamara for TJM.

I have the Maxi drive locker and axles in the rear of the Disco, i'm putting a TruTrac in the front, this is recommend for constant 4WD vehicles like the Landrover also the 80s Cruiser too, it acts like an open diff on the road.

I'll try and find out more from the guys here that have them.

Baz, Bazza , Barry:D

[LexusAllTerrain]

Do you feel the need for a rear locker, or are you happy you did not get the Nismo pkg. Also it seems that the locker takes a long time to lock ( in the Nismo ):confused: :confused:

[articulate]

Do you feel the need for a rear locker, or are you happy you did not get the Nismo pkg. Also it seems that the locker takes a long time to lock ( in the Nismo ):confused: :confused:
Good question. I go back and forth in my head about the Nismo package. Let me re-cap why I didn't purchase it. Here are the selling differences:

Factory skid plates
Bilstein shocks
32" tires (BFG Rugged Trail)
Factory rear e-locker


That's it. The plates are what you'd expect from the factory. They are not nice 3/16" or 1/8" steel. :) Still, they are worthshile if that's all you've got, right? I'm even considering buying them. They are not very expensive at all. I can get the fuel tank, oil pan, and transfer case plates for approximately $200, plus they bolt right in.

The shocks? I fully anticipated tweaking the suspension for my needs anyway, so those were moot.

32" tires? Sort of the same thing. I really wanted to put on a tire that I at least perceived to be better. What a consumer I am! Again, this part of the package wasn't all that appealing to me.

The locker? Well, yeah, I'd like to have it - it'll make me feel like a cool kid. The Nismo package sports a different axle than the others. So that factory locker can't be simply tossed into another Frontier. But NOT having it has not kept me from getting out for some fun. We hung in there at the Rally, we've done two trips into Mexico, and handled several day-trails nearby. Besides, the truck is for "backroad exploration." I had some trouble on Gunsight Pass (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2304), but Erin and Brian helped me out by simply spotting me up the roughest section.

I'm definately not concerned about hitting the road without the locker. For what they wanted (in dollars) for the Nismo package, it just didn't work for me. The most important piece of that package is the locker, and you're talking about $3000 or so...depending on your negotiations I suppose. Screw it. I'll do $3000 worth of trips instead. :wings:

BTW: I do have some more updates to the project build series coming out soon. :)

[bigreen505]

I came to the same conclusion on the Xterra. When I looked at everything I was likely to throw out or upgrade (shocks, springs, skid plates) it was basically $2,000 for a rear locker. I think you have to look at it on a case by case basis, if you can the Nismo package (or Offroad if you are looking at an X) for a little more that a similarly equiped base model, go for it.

For me, and it sounds like Mark too, I just couldn't ge tthe number to work out.

[Bergger]

I just gotta have a locker and it's something I probably would never have installed aftermarket so if the factory offers one I'll take it. I've got the TRD package on my Tacoma and the OR package on my Xterra. The TRD locker seems to engage a little faster than the Nissans. I was out playing with the Xterra today and did figure out that if I turne the wheel side to side it seems to engage quicker than driving straight. Electric lockers are something you want to engage before you need them. Unlike an air locker sometimes they take a little while to lock. The OR package on the Xterra also included a more durable fabric on the seats which I really like. Is this the case with the NISMO package on the Frontier?

[LexusAllTerrain]

I just gotta have a locker and it's something I probably would never have installed aftermarket so if the factory offers one I'll take it. I've got the TRD package on my Tacoma and the OR package on my Xterra. The TRD locker seems to engage a little faster than the Nissans. I was out playing with the Xterra today and did figure out that if I turne the wheel side to side it seems to engage quicker than driving straight. Electric lockers are something you want to engage before you need them. Unlike an air locker sometimes they take a little while to lock. The OR package on the Xterra also included a more durable fabric on the seats which I really like. Is this the case with the NISMO package on the Frontier?
It seems to be the same material, actually they use the same colors on both!

[articulate]

On the horizon:

2M radio (my FCC call sign: KE7JLE)
Front winch bumper


And I've nearly convinced myself that I just want to build a platform over the bed. Security, dust protection, mounting options for accessories, all around slick-ness, and all that. Any other good reasons out there? I'm sure there are.

I want to do up an on-board air system pretty soon.

The bumper? It's one-a-these bad boys:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/shrock_bumper.jpg

How about some thoughts about skid plates? My fuel tank, oil pan, t-case, e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g is unprotected. We managed very well during the Trophy on the trail to Crown King. But stacking the odds in your favor is better than relying on hope. I can simply go get the plates that come on the NISMO package. That would be simple, cost effective, and fast. My gut tells me that these will be just fine. 3/16" steel aftermarket jobbies may just be mucho overkill. If I had a metalworking shop, I'd just make 'em. But I don't.

This thing is not for hard trails. Thoughts about armor plates?

I think that a fridge will happen in Spring. During the winter, I'm not terribly concerned about keeping ice in a cooler. :ylsmoke:

Keep on adventuring!
http://www.markdstephens.com/sonora_stomp/babes.jpg

Thanks for your thoughts and opinions, people.

[datrupr]

I had some trouble on Gunsight Pass (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2304), but Erin and Brian helped me out by simply spotting me up the roughest section.


AHEM!!!!!! That was Erin and Aaron that helped to spot you up, :violent-smiley-031: but in all fairness, Erin did get you on the right line.:smiley_drive:

Get your spotters straight F'n......... Geeezzzzzzz:D

[LexusAllTerrain]

On the horizon:

2M radio (my FCC call sign: KE7JLE)
Front winch bumper






The bumper? It's one-a-these bad boys:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/shrock_bumper.jpg







Thanks for your thoughts and opinions, people.

Wow! that is a great looking truck, and the tires look like 285/75-16?

[Scott Brady]

The bumper looks great.

We can have a platform party at the Brady house. Maybe in early spring.

[david despain]

Any other good reasons out there? I'm sure there are.

how about this one.. "IT's for the saftey of my family" that's seemed to work pretty well in the past ;)

is that the shrockworks bumper?

[kcowyo]

The bumper? It's one-a-these bad boys:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/shrock_bumper.jpg

.....your thoughts and opinions, people.
If it comes with one of those Wyoming license plates, I'd order one today!

I would definitely get a real skid plate that covers the front end sooner than later.
Something stout like this -
http://home.insightbb.com/~r.brewer/Images/EngineSkidSide.jpg

Then a NISMO skid plate for the transfer case down the road, only if necessary. Even if the truck "is not for hard trails", I think skid plates should be more of a priority than fridges, snorkels, air, etc. Seriously.

[The BN Guy]

:smiley_drive: Nice looking rig! Keep up the work.

[articulate]

If it comes with one of those Wyoming license plates, I'd order one today!

I would definitely get a real skid plate that covers the front end sooner than later.

Then a NISMO skid plate for the transfer case down the road, only if necessary. Even if the truck "is not for hard trails", I think skid plates should be more of a priority than fridges, snorkels, air, etc. Seriously.
I had a feeling you'd like the Wyoming plate. But in the event of an animal strike....

Maybe you can't see it in the photo, but the bumper comes with a beautiful 3/16" thick skidplate for the front junk. I suppose the main NISMO plate to consider is the one for the fuel tank. Kind of like an animal strike, how many times have you seen a punctured fuel tank?

I'm serious about that question. The plate is "only" about $120, so I may as well get it.

On to something funny, I have this friend who bought a Dodge truck a few years ago. And so another buddy and I said, "Let's go out to Box Canyon for the maiden voyage!" His response earned him non-stop verbal lashings, constant mockery, and a nickname. The tweaker said, "Not until I get some skidplates."

This, The Legend of Skidplate Steve, is true. Guess what he still doesn't have on his truck after all these years? But I will say Skidplate Steve does have nice 20" shiney wheels on that thing.

[LexusAllTerrain]

If it comes with one of those Wyoming license plates, I'd order one today!

I would definitely get a real skid plate that covers the front end sooner than later.
Something stout like this -
http://home.insightbb.com/~r.brewer/Images/EngineSkidSide.jpg

Then a NISMO skid plate for the transfer case down the road, only if necessary. Even if the truck "is not for hard trails", I think skid plates should be more of a priority than fridges, snorkels, air, etc. Seriously.

I agree!:hehe:

[The BN Guy]

Off topic...

What's the story on that wheeled item in the background?

[articulate]

Off topic...

What's the story on that wheeled item in the background?
Sorry Patrick, no one seems to know. . .



NEWS:
First, I apologize in advance for this corny-looking vehicle below. I'm looking into bed caps and shells, as well as bike mounts and rack options for mounting the Eezi Awn. Leer makes a pretty neat shell that they call the "adventure" package with Yakima junk attached to the top. Maybe other stuff.

I've been thinking about some sort of cap (shell, Can-Back, platform/cap, etc) for the bed of our truck. It seems to me that we could use some sweet Yakima or Thule load bars to mount the tent upon and then also some bikes (probably not at the same time).

Again, I apologize for the paint, the chrome and the wheels and everything else that goes against our "expedition" sensibilities. I add it here for posterity only, as I just came across it. Use your imagination: paint it black, add on a winch bumper, delete the chrome, put back on the OEM wheels:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/frontier_adventure.jpg

[jingram]

What... you don't like that Bling Bling Mark? Come on man... it's obvious to anybody that you are looking at a stellar representation of expedition grade equipment right there, lol! I've always had a preference for Can-Backs myself, but that's just because I think they look cooler. It seems like that Leer could be rather handy if you were wanting to haul bikes, kayaks, load warrior rack, etc on top using their standard setups and you have the ability to lock the back with a hard shell if that is a concern. How does cost compare to something like a Can-Back? :orngartis

[kcowyo]

Off topic...

What's the story on that wheeled item in the background?

Sorry BN Guy, were you talking to me? If so, I don't know what that thing is. Looks like an ArgoATV (http://www.argoatv.com/) to me, but I grabbed that pic from a fellow T100 owner's site because we have the same skid plate.

I was just attempting to show MFS, the kind of serious gear he should be considering for his many off-road/on-the-trail adventures. Clearly by the pic he most recently posted, he is taking this all quite seriously. :ar15:

[The BN Guy]

Yep. Never seen one before.

[articulate]

I was just attempting to show MFS, the kind of serious gear he should be considering for his many off-road/on-the-trail adventures. Clearly by the pic he most recently posted, he is taking this all quite seriously. :ar15:
:rappel:
:camping:

Geez-a-roo. I even put in a caveat about that photo, still not good enough for you?
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/frontier_adventure.jpg

[articulate]

...I've always had a preference for Can-Backs myself, but that's just because I think they look cooler. It seems like that Leer could be rather handy if you were wanting to haul bikes, kayaks, load warrior rack, etc on top using their standard setups and you have the ability to lock the back with a hard shell if that is a concern. How does cost compare to something like a Can-Back? :orngartis
I think you are right: the Can-Backs are very cool. Don't know about the cost differences, as I haven't looked that far. Mlachica has one (I think...)with a RTT attached. And this has to be one of the damned sweetest machines we've been graced to see up close and personal:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/mlachica/_MG_6569.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/mlachica/IMG_6876.jpg

It appears this kind of a bed cover will accept third-party cross bar mounting systems.
I'm getting kind of excited about these things....:jumping:

[Scott Brady]

The Canvas tops are awesome for looks and weight, but lack any real security (other than keeping the honest man honest), the main reason I elected not to use one.

I would recommend getting a nice fiberglass top and configure an external bar system to support the Eezi-Awn. Then, you would have an all-weather and stealth sleeping option inside the truck is weather got crazy or you needed to just park in a town somewhere and grab some sleep.

[flyingwil]

The Canvas tops are awesome for looks and weight, but lack any real security (other than keeping the honest man honest), the main reason I elected not to use one.

I would recommend getting a nice fiberglass top and configure an external bar system to support the Eezi-Awn. Then, you would have an all-weather and stealth sleeping option inside the truck is weather got crazy or you needed to just park in a town somewhere and grab some sleep.

On the other hand you would loose your toolbox... It is a way cool option though.

[Mlachica]

Thanks for the kind words :victory:

pros
1. lightweight (I'm almost positive it weighs under 60lbs w/crossbars)
2. easy access (also a con)
3. looks rugged :rolleyes:
4. strong
5. accepts other load bars (yakima/thule)

cons
1. not exactly waterproof (material is waterproof, but water gets in through corners)
2. lets dust in
3. easy access

Overall I'm very satisfied with the can-back/rtt setup. They go for about $1000, it's about a $350 difference between the powder coated steel and stainless versions. I have the PC version, and it could use some touch up paint in some spots. The PC one naturally isn't as strong as the stainless one, but I haven't had any problems with it. It has been more than strong enough.

When I put the tent on I lost about 1mpg.

When the sides are velcroed together, there are spots that will allow minimal water in and lots of dust. So after enduring the rain I will have small amounts of water in each corner. If it is raining really hard for a long period of time, water will eventually seep through the stitching and drips will fall inside. I could put seam sealer on it but now that the tent is up there it covers the entire surface area on top. The bed definitely gets dusty in there with all sides closed, however it's not as bad as no top. And I haven't done anything to reduce it, such as weather stripping on the tail gate and I remember hearing there are holes under the rail that allow dust in, which I haven't plugged.

As far as security...I'm not too worried now that I have the lockable swing gate. And once I build my deck/drawers then most items will be locked and unaccessable. I also have a lockable tool box to keep other valuables. Of course my fridge won't fit in the deck, and with the tailgate locked, can-back sides up, the fridge is too large to pull through the sides. The spare tire/hi lift also prevent access to large items in the bed.

Anything else you might want to know? fire away!

[The BN Guy]

You lost mileage? I found that mine actually increased a bit. But then I lost it when I added the rear bumper.

My bud that had a Canback loved it. It does look very sweet. The only thing from keeping me from getting one was 1. at the time their delivery time span was as long as the cretaceous period and 2. cost. Very good product though.

[devinsixtyseven]

The CanBack windows don't do so well when it's really cold. The rear window on mine actually shattered the other day, it was about 5* out...and you haven't a prayer of unrolling it when it's cold, absolutely not.

The snaps on the sides need TLC and a careful hand. A buddy tore one of the snaps out of the fabric trying to ham-hand it loose.

Other than that, I've had it on the truck for about four years now...it's great.

The clear plastic radio/phone/pass window on my Arcteryx jacket seems to be made of a different kind of clear plastic than the CanBack window. If I can figure out what it is and where to get it, I'll post up.

There is a load limit to the top of that rack, even with the stainless rails IIRC it's pretty low, like 150#.

Technically it may not be secure, but most security comes from obscurity or visible deterrents, like an angry dog.

-Sean

[articulate]

Something wicked has awakened . . .

http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/shrock_4.jpg
The Shrockworks winch bumper arrived and when we unloaded her from the pallet, I tell you it was the damnedest thing. She roared. I'm telling the truth - or as close to it as possible - because things that get laser cut from 1/4" (yes, that's quarter-inch!) thick steel, and then shaped, crafted, and made into something this beautiful . . . it's like a Frankenstein process, it must be.

<laughter="evil">"She's alive!"</laughter>

To keep this beast from eating small children and terrorizing the public, we're going to have to bolt it to the front of the truck I guess. Like I said, the parts are totally laser cut and since I'm going to get this thing powdercoated I had to knock down the corners of the cut edges:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/shrock_3.jpg

I wasn't exactly prepared, if you notice how I'm dressed. At the last minute a friend told me he'd help if I brought it to his shop after work.

I'm off to Arizona Powdercoat this afternoon to drop it off. When we get it back, the Frontier will undergo a severe nose job that includes:
1. Shrockworks Winch Bumper
2. Lightforce 170 lights, thanks to Sierra Expeditions (http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/) (project sponsor).
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/lf_170.jpg

3. And a Warn M8000 winch.
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/M8000_winch.jpg


Go ahead, make any comments you want about the OE chrome front end now. I'll mail it to you when I'm done.

[The BN Guy]

Cool choice in bumpers. Very well built. I'd love to see how you like the Lightforce units.

[articulate]

Cool choice in bumpers. Very well built. I'd love to see how you like the Lightforce units.
Exactly! At first I wasn't too sure about the design, but when the bumper arrived I could see all the detail and effort they put into R&D. And sheez . . . all that 1/4" thick steel makes this thing one heavy SOB. Anyway, you are totally right, very well built.

We'll have it back from the powdercoat place next week, and I've set aside next weekend for the "nose job." I'm looking forward to playing with these lights. You can rotate the housing to adjust the beam pattern. Pretty sweet, huh? The lens caps are swappable and a wide variety of colors are available. Even though I haven't used them I can already see that the LF 170s are a pretty good bang for the buck.

[The BN Guy]

If you don't mind my asking...about what price range did you pay for the lights? Did they come with any different lenses? I've seen in the A4WDM magazine guys running the blue lenses from time to time.

[Scott Brady]

Nice update Mark. The Lightforce units are the toughest lights I have seen.

[kcowyo]

Your wife's truck is cooler than your Jeep. :lurk:

Just thought you might want to know that.

[articulate]

:PROFSheriffHL:
What are you saying about the Jeep?

The Frontier is far more comfy and a hell of a lot more "original" as a project. I think it's cooler than the Jeep, too.

I hope to have the bumper back to me this week so I can install all the new goods by next weekend. Shoot some photos, write up the third part of the Project article, and move on to a new phase. This is too much fun.
:REExeSquatsHL1:

[Desertdude]

Let me whisper this so no one else can hear... Be careful with the lightforce lights - I had a pair of the 240's on the front of the 80 ( they did hang out too far IMO) while distracted, for a nano second, the LC in front of me stopped. I tapped his can carrier and kerblamm... both lights disintegrated. User error for sure :oops:

What is next for the truck?

[articulate]

Let me whisper this so no one else can hear... Be careful with the lightforce lights - I had a pair of the 240's on the front of the 80 ( they did hang out too far IMO) while distracted, for a nano second, the LC in front of me stopped. I tapped his can carrier and kerblamm... both lights disintegrated. User error for sure :oops:

What is next for the truck?
Expensive mistake, bro. Dang. I've heard this called a BSD error: Between the Seat and Dasboard :)

What is next? That's a good question . . . How about this. What should be next? While I've got some little things in the garage and "comin' down the line," I'm open to suggestions. Perhaps a 1000 word review of the no-loss valve caps?

I'm fishing here
:REOutIceFishing:


If you don't mind my asking...about what price range did you pay for the lights? Did they come with any different lenses? I've seen in the A4WDM magazine guys running the blue lenses from time to time.
Just clear lenses. I haven't researched what the different colors are for, but the swappable caps are cool nonetheless. They do just pop off, so I'm wondering if I should find a way to safeguard the lenses. A pair of lights are running $240 for the pair (from Sierra Exp.), and usually closer to $280. I'm quite surprised at what lights cost

[Desertdude]

Perhaps a 1000 word review of the no-loss valve caps?
:

I'd read it...:sombrero:

[bigreen505]

I don't know, what annoys you/Brooke that you wish didn't?

What about photographic capability, like built in Fortress HD's or maybe a cool camera system like the BajaTaco? Additional on-board electronics or side lighting?

I've heard PahQue makes a cool dual purpose shower enclosure/stunt kite.
:xxrotflma

Ultimately, I think you are up for a re-design of your cargo storage situation when you realize you have to accommodate a car seat and all the assorted gear that goes along with one of its passengers.

[kcowyo]

What is next? That's a good question . . .

Uh, hello....? :snorkel:

[Ursidae69]

What should be next?


Have you upgraded the rear suspension yet?

[articulate]

...maybe a cool camera system like the BajaTaco?...

I've heard PahQue makes a cool dual purpose shower enclosure/stunt kite.
:xxrotflma

Ultimately, I think you are up for a re-design of your cargo storage situation when you realize you have to accommodate a car seat and all the assorted gear that goes along with one of its passengers.
Yeah, the camera system! Good call. Maybe not the whole friggin' enchilada, but a back-up cam would be ideal. Surely make Brooke happy. With the spare tire hanging off the rear, it's a land barge to park in and navigate through parking lots. Good point about the cargo situation. It might be time for a shell.


Uh, hello....? :snorkel:
Eh..... I'm wavering on that. Not terribly interested. I'd rather have stickers.


Have you upgraded the rear suspension yet?
No. Only extended shackles - did you see the springs at Death Valley? BWAHAHA! They're inverted with a load in the bed! Hilarious. I have a favor coming my way with respect to the rear suspension . . . possibly. I don't want to tell tales out of school, though.

So, cargo management might be the next major thing, according to The People; this would include something being done about the rear suspension. I'm off to the drawing board!

[bigreen505]

Yeah, the camera system! Good call. Maybe not the whole friggin' enchilada, but a back-up cam would be ideal.


I would go at least in front and one in back. You figured out the back, but how many times have you had the front end sticking up in the air and not really sure what is in front/under the truck, or where you need to put your wheels for traction?



It might be time for a shell.


It might, but I think you need to visit a friend with kids (Pskhaat?) and load up the truck with gear. The problem with a shell is you would then need a rack for the tent -- and the new suspension (probably like a Deaver 10 or 11). I guess my point is that a shell for your rig is probably a reasonably big undertaking, though one that is best done pre-baby.



Eh..... I'm wavering on that. Not terribly interested. I'd rather have stickers.


All joking aside, keep an eye on your air box. If you are sucking a lot of dirt into the bottom of the air box you need a snorkel, if not stickers are cheaper. On the Pathfinder, very heavy dirt and sand would get sucked into the air box from the front wheel well -- basically the tires would fling it in there.

[flyingwil]

Ok then I have a few....
Is the High-Lift on yet?
Are the No-Loss Valve Caps on yet? (Jeep too!)
How About the lights!?


:REOutShootinghunter

[david despain]

Central Tire Inflation System?

[Ursidae69]

No. Only extended shackles - did you see the springs at Death Valley? BWAHAHA! They're inverted with a load in the bed! Hilarious. I have a favor coming my way with respect to the rear suspension . . . possibly. I don't want to tell tales out of school, though.

So, cargo management might be the next major thing, according to The People; this would include something being done about the rear suspension. I'm off to the drawing board!

Yeah, at Death Valley your rear springs were really negatively arched. Hope you get that done soon, I'd hate to see ya break a spring in the boonies on a trip.

[articulate]

Central Tire Inflation System?
I'm trying to keep a few things secret and some of you are guessing right.

Wil, YES the no-loss caps are on (both!). I've got a game plan for the high-lift, and well, the bumper ain't ready yet and that's where the lights are going. Keep yer pants on.

Bill, I should post a photo of the air box and intake on this thing; things may have improved since your experience with the Pathfinder. Hang tight . . .
I've got no problem with a front camera other than those things are so stinking expensive that they're pretty cost prohibitive to most people. I'd like to stick to mods that others can replicate or improve upon. A "new rule" I see showing up in threads is "save your money and spend it fuel for a cool trip." Sage advice.

[articulate]

Yeah, at Death Valley your rear springs were really negatively arched. Hope you get that done soon, I'd hate to see ya break a spring in the boonies on a trip.
I had no idea that was possible. But good point, now that I think about it.

[flyingwil]

Wil, YES the no-loss caps are on (both!). I've got a game plan for the high-lift, and well, the bumper ain't ready yet and that's where the lights are going. Keep yer pants on.

:lurk:

Sweet. If you need help let me know, you know the number! I am off on Friday and Saturday.

[BajaTaco]

Congrats on the bumper and lights! I'll be curious to see how things pan out with the front suspension. Let us know what your impressions are.

[datrupr]

Mark, my suggestion would be, and I am sure you are probably working on this, to do something about that HUGE chrome grill. Maybe do something along the lines of what Scott did to his. Now that would look FRIGGIN' SWEET!!!!

[JayP]

That's a stout bumper. Will you also be using the shrock skids? Btw, I didn't know you were also a www.clubfrontier.org member.

[articulate]

All joking aside, keep an eye on your air box. If you are sucking a lot of dirt into the bottom of the air box you need a snorkel, if not stickers are cheaper. On the Pathfinder, very heavy dirt and sand would get sucked into the air box from the front wheel well -- basically the tires would fling it in there.
Check it out DAWGG! Photo attached of the air box and intake. I think it's so well protected that I'm not going to "monkey with it." As Erin would say.
:PROFSheriffHL:


That's a stout bumper. Will you also be using the shrock skids? Btw, I didn't know you were also a www.clubfrontier.org member. ..... [from another thread]Overall, I'm happy with the ride. Way better than the Nismo spec Bilsteins I previously had. If your going to go this route though, I would suggest to get the 800# eibachs instead of the typical 650# Greg uses. The ride will be stiffer but it should prevent any sagging up front even with a winch and a steel bumper. *The 650# should be adequate. I have seen an Xterra with a wincher bumper set-up with no reported sagging.
I keep an eye over there to see what people are doing to their Frontiers. The thread about "expedition" building brought me out of the shadows.
Do you have the shrock skids? You've got my attention with your suggestion on the eibachs. Thanks for the tip, bro.

Mark

Bumper got finished with the powdercoat folks so I picked it up today. Looks beautiful. It's all downhill from here.

[bigreen505]

Hard to say, but it looks like an improvement. On the old Pathfinders it pulled air from the wheel well. You could actually put a lot of sand and silt in the air box without it affecting anything, but I can't imagine it was a good thing.

[kcowyo]

This will be hard to beat -

http://s170537965.onlinehome.us/KcoWyo/gallery2/d/59-1/Utah+004.jpg

[kcowyo]

:cow: :box: :Mechanic::088: :lurk:

[articulate]

This will be hard to beat
Get ready . . .

It's against my policy to post a photo of my vehicle while it's in a driveway, parking lot, or garage. You'll have to wait until the weekend before I show The Beast.


PS: Chrome bumper for sale. Bull skull not included.
http://www.markdstephens.com/monument_valley/mv_5.jpg

[kcowyo]

Get ready . . .

It's against my policy to post a photo of my vehicle while it's in a driveway, parking lot, or garage.....

But you can email me one right? :orngartis

[articulate]

But you can email me one right? :orngartis
The truth is that we didn't finish until well after dark. Now, aren't photos on the 'net of some dude's new mod in the frickin' dark about the most annoying thing you've ever seen?

I'll spare you.

I'll break the other rule this one time:
http://www.markdstephens.com/frontier/mods/front_no_bumper.jpg
I know it looks like she pooped a DeWalt drill.
:punk03:

[erin]

That definietely looks monkeyed with!!!:shakin: :shakin:

[articulate]

That definietely looks monkeyed with!!!
:)

Check it out . . . We were busy this week, so I deserved a treat while reviewing the hard work. My buddy Andy helped me with the installation and wiring for the winch and lights.

The winch goes inside the bumper body, and they made clever provision for the controller. But we had to disassemble the control box, undo the wiring, extend the plug, and re-wire the M8000's box. When we got her all put back together, Andy said, "We should attach some power to the winch and test it before we get this thing all bolted into place."

Guess what? We re-wired it backwards (flipped two wires), and the dang thing fed out line when you wanted it to bring it in, and vice versa. No harm, no foul. Luckily, Andy took a photo of the inside of the control box before taking it all apart so we were able to see where we went wrong quickly.

Next week, I'll take her out to test the winch and lights for the "good" photos.

[Brian McVickers]

Very cool Mark!

And it still lets some of that chrome shine on through - an added bonus!!!

Looks great. :26_7_2:

[erin]

Looks cool Mark, glad to see it on there. If you get a chance, could you pm me that original photo of the wiring in the control box? I took one of mine off to compare to some other wire and forgot to mark where it came from, and can't clearly see on Warns site where it goes. And of course it took me so long to do it, I can;t remember know! Thanks

[BajaTaco]

Hey cool! I love the shape of the bottle and bold red "X"'s ... :removeredX: :removeredX:

Did someone say something about a bumper... ?

[BajaTaco]

:)

...Andy said, "We should attach some power to the winch and test it before we get this thing all bolted into place."

...Luckily, Andy took a photo of the inside of the control box before taking it all apart so we were able to see where we went wrong quickly.

Smart move. ;) Give Andy one of those beers!

[articulate]

If you get a chance, could you pm me that original photo of the wiring in the control box?
Will do. Might be a few days, as the photo in on my buddy's camera.


Did someone say something about a bumper... ?
Check behind the X's in that photo above. I'm working on a before and after photo of The Nose Job that is sure to lighten some hearts and provide a laugh or two.
:costumed-smiley-007

[BajaTaco]

Check behind the X's in that photo above. I'm working on a before and after photo of The Nose Job that is sure to lighten some hearts and provide a laugh or two.
:costumed-smiley-007

:lurk: Hey, I dig that new avatar.

[erin]

Thanks Mark, a couple days more is no big deal, it's been mounted up w/ no controller for what..........4 months, so no biggy!!

[longbed]

As I have already said your truck is my inspiration! Can't wait to see the next write up!

I have a quick question for you. Did you remove the mud flaps on your truck or did it not come with them? Do rocks, etc chip the bottom of the truck without them?? I want to take mine off but am afraid with all the gravel they drop on the roads here in Colorado that it will chip all the paint off the lower half of my truck.

[datrupr]

So Mark, Here is my question... Why did you take the bumper to the powder coaters? Why didn't you take it to the chromers so it would match the sweet grill and get that awesome bling look going?:p

[kcowyo]

Apparently the kid is going to be here before any real pics of the bumper.....:violent-smiley-031:

[articulate]

This might be tough for a guy of your style. . . but keep your pants on. Photos are a-coming. I'll handle those on Saturday.
:friday:

Aaron, the chromers said they were too busy with all of your stuff.

I have a quick question for you. Did you remove the mud flaps on your truck or did it not come with them? Do rocks, etc chip the bottom of the truck without them??
I took them off, and have not noticed any chipping from trail debris. But I suppose it could be a real issue. The sliders certainly protect the center of the body, so the only thing I should check is the rear panels.

[articulate]

Side note. . . . found this dude's black Frontier with the popularized-by-ExpedWest 255/85 tires. Check it.

[flyingwil]

Side note. . . . found this dude's black Frontier with the popularized-by-ExpedWest 255/85 tires. Check it.

You thinking of switching?

[articulate]

Peer pressure, man. The sensible side of me says that the toll on fuel economy just isn't worth it. The other side of me says they look damn cool.

Truth: I'm disappointed with the BFG AT tires I've had on the Jeep and the truck. My experience is that the tread gets "chewed up" rapidly. The tires on the Frontier already look like crud - which means we've had many good trips, I suppose. But I put the BFG mud terrain on my Jeep last Spring and I'm pleased so far. The trips I do might be harder on tires than I realize (?). Perhaps I would benefit from a different tread.

So if I'm going to change to a different tread style . . .

We're in the early stages of this discussion.

[flyingwil]

Peer pressure, man. The sensible side of me says that the toll on fuel economy just isn't worth it. The other side of me says they look damn cool.

Truth: I'm disappointed with the BFG AT tires I've had on the Jeep and the truck. My experience is that the tread gets "chewed up" rapidly. The tires on the Frontier already look like crud - which means we've had many good trips, I suppose. But I put the BFG mud terrain on my Jeep last Spring and I'm pleased so far. The trips I do might be harder on tires than I realize (?). Perhaps I would benefit from a different tread.

So if I'm going to change to a different tread style . . .

We're in the early stages of this discussion.

:bowdown:

That one posted does look damn cool! Any rubbing or trimming need to make them fit?

[kcowyo]

You know when I think of 'tall & skinny', "Mark Stephens" doesn't really come to mind...

Thanks for the pic of some other dude's truck. :clapsmile

[The BN Guy]

You probably ought to take them off soon. Especially if you plan on doing even mild offroading. You'll just tear them up and possibly do a little minor damge to your rig. Yep, sliders will help protect some.

Here's a thread recently started...http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4002&highlight=mud+flaps

It's something I'm considering. At least when I'm on the road. Offroad, I don't go fast enough unless a tire spins some.

[longbed]

You probably ought to take them off soon. Especially if you plan on doing even mild offroading

That is what I thought but it is always good to get advice from more expereinced people. My tacoma had some that were stiff but flexible and every once in ahwile they would scare the hell out of me as they made a horrible noise after dropping on to a rock!:eek:


The sliders certainly protect the center of the body

I hadn't thought about the sliders helping with this, but it makes sense. Thanks for giving me another reason to tell the wife that we NEED the sliders (right now I was using the, "when the truck gest taller aren't you going to want a step" argument. So far it seems to actually be working!):hehe:

Thanks again for the advice.

[datrupr]

Aaron, the chromers said they were too busy with all of your stuff.

Hey now, Mark. Do you have any idea how much time it takes to completely chrome a 98 Trooper? Cut them a little slack, will ya?:sombrero:

And besides, I would have gladly given up my spot so you could get that bumper chromed.:ylsmoke: