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cnielsen4130
09-21-2011, 03:27 AM
I'm on the market for a new rig, I have fallen in love with the new 2010-2011 4runner trail edition, while originally looking for a nice 100 series land cruiser....

Both would be financed if I purchased.... Both would slowly be expo-ish rigs....

The 4runner will set me back close to 40k, but be brand new, no miles, nice warranty, low intrest financing from Toyota.... I would use it for camping, trips, eventually some nice trail events, etc.... no kids... Just me and the girlfriend, and a dog sooner or later.

I'm looking at NICE 100 series land cruisers, around 2003-2004, or even some Lexus lx470s..... Of course they have 50k - 80k miles on them, but are extremely clean, loaded, and they are legends...

Getting a little nervous of buying new if I got the 4runner.....

The 100 series seem to hold their value pretty well, not SO concerned with this, because I don't plan to sell, but you never know?

I just keep looking at the luxurious 100 series I could have for around 30k... 10k cheaper then the runnner, but the trail edition is pretty spiffy?

What do you guys think...

joneseyyy
09-21-2011, 05:51 AM
I vote trail edition, but then again I am biased...also consider that the 5th gen 4runner gets around 20 mpg stock ( highway) and mine gets ab 17 with a lift and big roof rack.

ETAV8R
09-21-2011, 12:45 PM
Trail Edition...hurry up and go get it and post pics.
:smiley_drive:

pskhaat
09-21-2011, 01:36 PM
Hundy, why step down?

Martinjmpr
09-21-2011, 02:00 PM
My only thought would be that AFAIK the 100 is something of an "orphan" in terms of aftermarket support. Also with gas staying in the $3.50/$4.00 range, the difference in MPG could be the difference between going out somewhere and staying home.

Of course, the flip side is that you ought to be able to get a 100 for less than half the cost of a brand new TE (which is one reason I will never, ever, again buy new ;) ) and the $20k you save by going with a 100 will buy a looooooot of gas even at $4/gallon.

98roamer
09-21-2011, 02:38 PM
I too have been studying the 100 series threads on Mud vs the 5th gen threads on some Toyota sites. Having a 3rd gen 4runner I was all set on the 5th gen but the 200 series pulled me away. But since I can't sell both my kidneys to finance it, I'm settling in on the 100 series LC.
My 3rd gen 4runner feels small inside so I was looking at the LC but the 5th feels a little bigger, we'll have to see after a longer test drive. The 2005-2007 LC gets my vote for better HP and MPG, but at a cost, IMO. I was against the 100 series because of the torsion bar front suspension but I'm opening up to it. I've always thought that torsion bars are too stiff but the 100's seems to drive very nice.

I would suggest driving both and see which feels better. This next one will not be my DD so the mpg concern is less. We will be using it as our vacation hauler with a tear drop or a AT Chaser.

Be aware of the cost of the 90k mile service for the LC. I've noticed some good deals on 100's around the 90k mark but the service usually hasn't been done on it.

pskhaat
09-21-2011, 02:46 PM
I was against the 100 series because of the torsion bar front suspension but I'm opening up to it. I've always thought that torsion bars are too stiff but the 100's seems to drive very nice.

Yeah the tbars are old-school but other than taking valuable space under the vehicle (but much less volume than springs) they're dead reliable, used in military tanks. Also easily adjusted.

The OEM tbar is pretty weak and IMO offers a cushy ride, especially when adjusted for vehicle height with added weight like ARB & winch, &c. A few folks on this board prefer the cushier OEM bar to the OMEs off-road.

Mrknowitall
09-21-2011, 03:52 PM
I still miss that the '99 hundy my brother had. Absolute tank, inside and out. Had the biggest toyota axles to date, and inside everything was screwed together.
Repair costs were huge, but infrequent.
The stock milage sucks, but once both rigs are on 33's with a basket on top, the 4Runner won't save much fuel.
The Cruiser will work well with 33's, ok with 35's. The 4Runner would probably need gears. ($$$$)
Torsion bars- the ability to level the truck, after adding stuff, is nice. adding trim packers sounds like a headache.
Here in MI, insurance on the 100 was sky high- don't forget to get some quotes for each one.
Both have about a 1500# payload out of the box. The 100 is built to carry a lot more than that, with appropriate springs. Depending on the market, more like 2200#.
If you like scenery, there are few vehicles with as good a view, as the 100.
The newer the Cruiser, the more electronic doo-dads there are to malfunction.
If you envision spending nights in there, the cruiser has tons more room.

nickw
09-21-2011, 05:39 PM
I'm on the market for a new rig, I have fallen in love with the new 2010-2011 4runner trail edition, while originally looking for a nice 100 series land cruiser....

Both would be financed if I purchased.... Both would slowly be expo-ish rigs....

The 4runner will set me back close to 40k, but be brand new, no miles, nice warranty, low intrest financing from Toyota.... I would use it for camping, trips, eventually some nice trail events, etc.... no kids... Just me and the girlfriend, and a dog sooner or later.

I'm looking at NICE 100 series land cruisers, around 2003-2004, or even some Lexus lx470s..... Of course they have 50k - 80k miles on them, but are extremely clean, loaded, and they are legends...

Getting a little nervous of buying new if I got the 4runner.....

The 100 series seem to hold their value pretty well, not SO concerned with this, because I don't plan to sell, but you never know?

I just keep looking at the luxurious 100 series I could have for around 30k... 10k cheaper then the runnner, but the trail edition is pretty spiffy?

What do you guys think...

My vote is 4runner due to it being new.

I think the 5th gen runners are not getting the expo respect they deserve, manual T-case, proven drivetrain and a shared platform with the Tacoma/FJ.

Have you considered a SR5? You can get one in the low to mid 30k mark and IMO has everything an expo rig needs including the, thumbs up to Mr. Toyoda, manual t-case. I am not convinced all the gizmo's on the TE are really worthwhile for the price you pay, especially on an expo rig.

With that being said, I LOVE the look of the TE and would probably buy one for that reason alone. I wish they made a stripped down TE, no nav, no pull out tray, no electro gadgets, with a locker...but with the 'look' of the TE.

You 'should' be able to find a lowish mile 100 for well under $30k, probably closer to $25k, at least you can up here.

Bobfab
09-21-2011, 06:04 PM
What do you currently drive? I think that detail would help people sway your decision!

I'm going to come right out and say it: The only thing worse than the depreciation on a new vehicle, is depreciation of a new vehicle that you actually intend on using offroad.

I have bought crappy, brand new, and "preowned", that said i will never buy a new car again (well at least until i have won the lottery).

cnielsen4130
09-21-2011, 06:13 PM
My vote is 4runner due to it being new.

I think the 5th gen runners are not getting the expo respect they deserve, manual T-case, proven drivetrain and a shared platform with the Tacoma/FJ.

Have you considered a SR5? You can get one in the low to mid 30k mark and IMO has everything an expo rig needs including the, thumbs up to Mr. Toyoda, manual t-case. I am not convinced all the gizmo's on the TE are really worthwhile for the price you pay, especially on an expo rig.

With that being said, I LOVE the look of the TE and would probably buy one for that reason alone. I wish they made a stripped down TE, no nav, no pull out tray, no electro gadgets, with a locker...but with the 'look' of the TE.

You 'should' be able to find a lowish mile 100 for well under $30k, probably closer to $25k, at least you can up here.

I agree with the fact that the TE is worth the extra money, this is why I haven't really considered much for the sr5. The factory rear locker is a big thing.. No reason for an arb air locker, and void the warranty... I like the bumpers, so until I get the cash, I wouldn't arb the front bumper... With the sr5, I'd want to swap it out sooner,I know it's not the biggest deal....

The 100's are hard to find, not impossible, but much more time spent looking, and worrying about financing, I can't finance anything over 150,000 miles or 10 years old...

I know I wouldn't regret a 100 series for the price difference, but it is a matter of finding one...

I haven't heard enough from the expo community about the TE, I have frequented the T4r forums, but as far as the more hardcore rigs, I haven't seen them yet... I know I know, I wouldnt be building it up to go around the world... But still...

Can you tell I'm confused? The other bummer thing is... I want the TE In white..... I love the dark grey, but I worry about the maintenance of a dark color on a expo rig... I could get silver... But eh...

Hmmm, I'm more confused now, i need to drive a 100, I took the TE for a ride the other day, it felt great with the KDSS suspension... It's honestly the "buying new" buyers remorse that is holding me back... And the fact the 100's aren't the easiest to find. I know.... I'm high maintenance, but I think most of you are too:)

cnielsen4130
09-21-2011, 06:14 PM
Hundy, why step down?

I keep hearing this too...

Titanpat57
09-21-2011, 07:52 PM
Having my 4runner TE for almost 2 years...bottom line is, it rocks, and the transformation will be slow for expo mods....but I see myself having this a long time, I really, really enjoy it.

If there's any questions let me know...

I think you'll be happy with it too.

Good luck, Pat

joneseyyy
09-22-2011, 04:29 AM
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A little propaganda to influence you...

cnielsen4130
09-22-2011, 05:33 AM
..... I think I'll call the dealership I have been test driving at... And see if I can get the deal I want on the TE I drove. I just wonder if the 2012 will come in different colors... Ehhhh

SYVADV
09-22-2011, 04:53 PM
I have a 2010 4Runner Trail with about 25k miles now and have had a 100 Series, FZJ80, BJ42, FJ62 and FJ40. Of all of the vehicles, the Trail gets the best mpg (18.5 mpg combined), will go absolutely anywhere and has had zero problems. In my opinion, the 100 Series is a bit large to take on some of the more narrow trails and the gas mileage is horrible. You can get a Trail with a 125k mile warranty for about $1000 and a low interest rate as compared to a used vehicle interest rate and no warranty with pretty hefty repair bills. All great vehicles, just different.

Falkon
09-22-2011, 07:55 PM
Don't buy new, especially if you plan to take it off highway. Those inevetible scratches and dents will hurt alot less if it is pre-loved. Buying a new car is the worst investment you can make...next to Enron. Hell, for the money, I'd even throw in a good, clean, maintained, low mileage 80 into the equation and spend the money you save on all the upgrades you want/will want to do. But that is just one Georgia Boy's opinion.

Best of luck and Happy Trails!

CB.

nickw
09-23-2011, 05:55 PM
I have a 2010 4Runner Trail with about 25k miles now and have had a 100 Series, FZJ80, BJ42, FJ62 and FJ40. Of all of the vehicles, the Trail gets the best mpg (18.5 mpg combined), will go absolutely anywhere and has had zero problems. In my opinion, the 100 Series is a bit large to take on some of the more narrow trails and the gas mileage is horrible. You can get a Trail with a 125k mile warranty for about $1000 and a low interest rate as compared to a used vehicle interest rate and no warranty with pretty hefty repair bills. All great vehicles, just different.

Can't complain with a warranty like that! The local dealer here in Oregon is offering a 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty...included with sale price.

joneseyyy
09-24-2011, 05:09 AM
Picked up my 2010 trail with 14k on the clock and 100k bumper to bumper in November of last year for ~30K, you can find deals if you are willing to travel. Flew up from VA to NY on 2 days notice to snag mine.

cnielsen4130
10-03-2011, 05:43 AM
Just an update... I pulled the trigger on a 2011 silver trail with KDSS and nav (could do without the nav... But it wasn't an option) I pick it up tomorrow afternoon...

ETAV8R
10-03-2011, 08:07 AM
Just an update... I pulled the trigger on a 2011 silver trail with KDSS and nav (could do without the nav... But it wasn't an option) I pick it up tomorrow afternoon...

Nice!!!

Hafwit
10-03-2011, 03:28 PM
You will love it! I have one in Mag. Grey and I am starting to do the modifications now.

Cheers,
Greg

Titanpat57
10-04-2011, 02:22 AM
Just an update... I pulled the trigger on a 2011 silver trail with KDSS and nav (could do without the nav... But it wasn't an option) I pick it up tomorrow afternoon...

Congratz!!

I'm sure you'll love it!

SurferJacoby
09-25-2016, 05:57 PM
Find myself in the same boat. I've been thinking of a new purchase (new to me anyway) and I find myself in a similar situation as the OP. I'm between the 5th Gen 4Runner (Trail Premium), a Lexus GX460 and an LX470/LC100. It looks like the OP parted with his Trail after three years; hopefully he can shed some light on why but looking at his profile he's been MIA for a while. Anyone go with one over the other recently and if so why?

Hltoppr
09-27-2016, 01:55 AM
Some thoughts regarding my 2016 TRD Pro, and selling my 100 series:

I'm really enjoying this truck. It's smaller than my 100 series; but not by much. For me, it's the perfect daily driver and travel rig so far. Driving it is more nimble than the 100 series, and just as comfortable. I had heard people say the TRD/Bilstein suspension was too soft, but I think it rides just like my other Cruisers with OME heavy springs/firm shocks. Firm but not jarring by any means. Suspension handles rocks, sand, and washboard with ease. Steering is precise, with no obvious under or over steer; although I'm sure in 2WD I could drift the rear if I wished. The Terra Grapplers, which are Standard Load rated, have held up fine, even being aired down; showing no slices or chunks out of the sidewalls or tread.

I'm particularly excited about fuel range. My cruiser used to get 10-11 mpg in town, 14ish on the highway. I'm not too concerned about fuel prices, but the ability to travel farther without fuel worries is what I really like. The Runner is getting 17 in town, 22 on the highway. A huge improvement in range (almost 400 miles a tank as compared to 250 in the Cruiser).

Crawl control, while being noisy (brakes are chattering) and atrac work really well. The rear locker/front atrac is best of all worlds, in my opinion. Great traction and no loss of steering control.

It's got about 300 miles of dirt on it so far, and the size is an advantage on tight Arizona trails; although in my case the dark color is going to take some extra care. I do like the fact that it's low key...all the goodies aren't very obvious. I think this will be a definite advantage for my Mexico travels.

Heated windshield and seats are a must for Flagstaff winters, and the interior has been easy to clean from the 10 year old typical kiddo stuff.

I don't miss anything from my Cruiser. Only issue I've had is the non-matching spare tire from the factory, which was an easy fix...just ran $400 or so for a new tire and wheel.

(none)
09-27-2016, 02:18 AM
Find myself in the same boat. I've been thinking of a new purchase (new to me anyway) and I find myself in a similar situation as the OP. I'm between the 5th Gen 4Runner (Trail Premium), a Lexus GX460 and an LX470/LC100. It looks like the OP parted with his Trail after three years; hopefully he can shed some light on why but looking at his profile he's been MIA for a while. Anyone go with one over the other recently and if so why?

I was pretty much in the same boat recently. I decided my modded 2dr Wrangler Rubicon wasn't cutting it any more. I originally had a '96 LC80 i loved, wheeled it, drove it everywhere, it was great and comfortable. I decided i wanted some more of that. I started looking at LC100s/LC470s. Then i included GX470 and 460s. Then i started looking at 4Runners. I ended up with a new Trail Premium 4Runner for a few reasons:

-I couldn't find any 100s/ Lexus twins that were that greatly priced without a ton of miles. I understand they "run forever", but stuff still wears out and i'm at a point right now where i have enough other stuff to work on than to get another vehicle that i'll immediately have a list of items to replace or repair.

-For the price of gently used 460, you can get a new 4runner

-The new 4runner is almost the exact same exterior dimensions as the LC80. My, how these things have grown. Lots more power than the LC80 ever had, better gas mileage by far, many times better brakes, more comfortable and about as capable for what i'd be doing with it. I refer to it as a mini-land cruiser.

-I couldn't find a slightly used 4runner without a bunch of miles (a dealer a few hours away has a '15 TRD Pro with 50k miles listed for $43k!!!), ended up getting new Trail for less than some used ones were listed for.

-Oh, and the trail/TRD still have a rear diff locker. Not available on the newer land cruisers or the Lexi. I know people are all about the a-trac, and it's cool and is neat. But i prefer to have the locker and the (mostly manual) transfer case.

SurferJacoby
09-27-2016, 11:24 AM
Some thoughts regarding my 2016 TRD Pro, and selling my 100 series:

I'm really enjoying this truck. It's smaller than my 100 series; but not by much. For me, it's the perfect daily driver and travel rig so far. Driving it is more nimble than the 100 series, and just as comfortable. I had heard people say the TRD/Bilstein suspension was too soft, but I think it rides just like my other Cruisers with OME heavy springs/firm shocks. Firm but not jarring by any means. Suspension handles rocks, sand, and washboard with ease. Steering is precise, with no obvious under or over steer; although I'm sure in 2WD I could drift the rear if I wished. The Terra Grapplers, which are Standard Load rated, have held up fine, even being aired down; showing no slices or chunks out of the sidewalls or tread.

I'm particularly excited about fuel range. My cruiser used to get 10-11 mpg in town, 14ish on the highway. I'm not too concerned about fuel prices, but the ability to travel farther without fuel worries is what I really like. The Runner is getting 17 in town, 22 on the highway. A huge improvement in range (almost 400 miles a tank as compared to 250 in the Cruiser).

Crawl control, while being noisy (brakes are chattering) and atrac work really well. The rear locker/front atrac is best of all worlds, in my opinion. Great traction and no loss of steering control.

I don't miss anything from my Cruiser.

Hltoppr thanks for the insight! It's good to hear your firsthand impressions on the two vehicles. If anything I'd get a Trail or Trail Premium and build it from there. Looking forward to more from your build. Do you have a link to your 100 build? Did you consider the KO2s as well for tires?


I was pretty much in the same boat recently. I decided my modded 2dr Wrangler Rubicon wasn't cutting it any more. I originally had a '96 LC80 i loved, wheeled it, drove it everywhere, it was great and comfortable. I decided i wanted some more of that. I started looking at LC100s/LC470s. Then i included GX470 and 460s. Then i started looking at 4Runners. I ended up with a new Trail Premium 4Runner for a few reasons:

-I couldn't find any 100s/ Lexus twins that were that greatly priced without a ton of miles. I understand they "run forever", but stuff still wears out and i'm at a point right now where i have enough other stuff to work on than to get another vehicle that i'll immediately have a list of items to replace or repair.

-For the price of gently used 460, you can get a new 4runner

-The new 4runner is almost the exact same exterior dimensions as the LC80. My, how these things have grown. Lots more power than the LC80 ever had, better gas mileage by far, many times better brakes, more comfortable and about as capable for what i'd be doing with it. I refer to it as a mini-land cruiser.

-I couldn't find a slightly used 4runner without a bunch of miles (a dealer a few hours away has a '15 TRD Pro with 50k miles listed for $43k!!!), ended up getting new Trail for less than some used ones were listed for.

-Oh, and the trail/TRD still have a rear diff locker. Not available on the newer land cruisers or the Lexi. I know people are all about the a-trac, and it's cool and is neat. But i prefer to have the locker and the (mostly manual) transfer case.

(none) thank you!

-I couldn't find any 100s/ Lexus twins that were that greatly priced without a ton of miles. I understand they "run forever", but stuff still wears out and i'm at a point right now where i have enough other stuff to work on than to get another vehicle that i'll immediately have a list of items to replace or repair.
You're pinpoint on the mileage; I recently found a LX with 111k on the dash at a reasonable price that's a 2 owner but you make a good point about things wearing out on a decade old vehicle.

-For the price of gently used 460, you can get a new 4runner
I'm looking more at the 10-13 year models and plenty of good ones are going for under $30 so that makes it competitive. Minimal options on the modification side though but perhaps that's a good thing for an overlander.

-The new 4runner is almost the exact same exterior dimensions as the LC80. My, how these things have grown. Lots more power than the LC80 ever had, better gas mileage by far, many times better brakes, more comfortable and about as capable for what i'd be doing with it. I refer to it as a mini-land cruiser.
This is one item I agree with and am not crazy about. Coming from a 2000 model which is notably smaller and for me more agile the newer model has certainly put on the big boy pants.

Dalko43
09-27-2016, 03:09 PM
My opinion of the 5th gen 4runner vs LC is this: the 5th gen 4runner has more LC DNA in it than the most recent LC200 series. Decent payload, nimble handling (relative to bigger SUV's), reliable and somewhat fuel efficient engine, widely available locking rear diff, offroad-focused features like KDSS and craw control...if it weren't for a lack of solid front axle, I'd consider the 5th gen to be the LC80 reincarnated.

Between how accessible the 5th gen is, especially relative to new and used LC200's, and how easy it is to drive off road, I really think of the 4runner as the spiritual successor to the older-style LC's. And that's not to knock the LC200 or LC100; they're great vehicles and certainly capable of offroad performance. If you want some extra grunt out of the engine for towing and hauling, get a LC100 or LC200. If you just want something that will get you from point A to point B at a more cost-efficient price point, get a 5th gen.

SurferJacoby
09-28-2016, 05:23 PM
My opinion of the 5th gen 4runner vs LC is this: the 5th gen 4runner has more LC DNA in it than the most recent LC200 series. Decent payload, nimble handling (relative to bigger SUV's), reliable and somewhat fuel efficient engine, widely available locking rear diff, offroad-focused features like KDSS and craw control...if it weren't for a lack of solid front axle, I'd consider the 5th gen to be the LC80 reincarnated.

Between how accessible the 5th gen is, especially relative to new and used LC200's, and how easy it is to drive off road, I really think of the 4runner as the spiritual successor to the older-style LC's. And that's not to knock the LC200 or LC100; they're great vehicles and certainly capable of offroad performance. If you want some extra grunt out of the engine for towing and hauling, get a LC100 or LC200. If you just want something that will get you from point A to point B at a more cost-efficient price point, get a 5th gen.

Dalko thanks, like what you pointed about about the 5th Gen being more of a truck than luxury SUV. Know many have said that about the 200 that it's gotten away from the LC roots. With one V8 already there really is no need for two and this would be more an adventure vehicle too so a larger engine cost would add up quickly.

p nut
09-28-2016, 05:45 PM
Almost every iteration of LC had people yelling blasphemy. "That's no Land cruiser." "Needs a straight-6." "Needs SFA." Blah blah. 200 is every bit of an LC as past versions. Plenty have it outfitted for world tours and they're punished every bit as much as previous LC's. 4Runners are nice, but they're no LC's (coming from a non-LC owner).
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Having said that, if you do not need the cabin/cargo space of the LC, 4Runner would do nicely. With a family, LC would be my pick.