The era of the 100 is here.

[pskhaat]

I hereby declare this era henceforth to be the era of the 100. The UZJ100's time is come and is here.

Yeah, the 80 rocks. So does the 60 series and the 40/55 series before it. But the years have rolled on and the new LC series is soon out. The age of the 60 series really began with the introduction of the 80. That's when you started seeing a bunch of 60s modified and trail ready. When the 100 was introduced in the late 90s the same thing started happening with the 80s and soon there were more 80s on the trail than any other.

We now stand at the beginning of the next expedition/trail Cruiser, and it is the 100. The 80 takes the back seat, as the 60 did before it. Long live them all, but it's time to embrace the 100.

[Andrew Walcker]

Very prophetic...I like it! :clapsmile

[Jacket]

Isn't the 100 the first IFS Cruiser? That won't help......

[kcowyo]

IFS is sweet. :bowdown:


SA is soooooo 1997.....

[bigreen505]

I think there is some truth to that and I think finances are a major factor it that. In reality, what is the average cost of a good used 100 versus trying to track down a decent 80 and then doing all the catchup and preventative maintenance on it? When I was looking at an 80, Slee said to factor in about $4k on catchup and preventative maintenance.


Isn't the 100 the first IFS Cruiser? That won't help......

See, this just reinforces Scott's point. Now you can buy a slightly banged up 100, SAS it, put on 40's (with spinners of course) and act like you're cool. :shakin:

[pskhaat]

Isn't the 100 the first IFS Cruiser...

Sadly. Very sadly. Nonetheless, there is no live front axle coming into the US anytime in the next decade or longer from Toyota, and there are no alternatives such as Tacoma or 4Skinner or FJCs. Like it or not--and I don't--live axles will likely never be on any future production vehicle in the US from Toyota. Toyota USA has made your decision for you as to what you like and will buy from them.

[DaveInDenver]

IFS is for losers, therefore I am a dedicated and content loser. Although, my dentist isn't replacing fillings anymore, so she might not like IFS.

[Dirty Harry]

See, this just reinforces Scott's point. Now you can buy a slightly banged up 100, SAS it, put on 40's (with spinners of course) and act like you're cool. :shakin:

It has already been done. :)

[adventureduo]

Yep, they're getting more common every day. Still think they're out of most peoples price range though.

[Jacket]

Fine then, I might as well copy Wyatt from Demello and SAS my 06 Tacoma.......in my dreams....

SAS should be a Toyota factory option just like door sill protectors. I can see it now - me talking to Toyota sales guy: "I'd like my Tacoma in silver, TRD package, chrome exhaust tip, side curtain air bags, and......hmmm....yea, I'll take the SAS package with the option 40" IROKs?" :wings:

[dieselcruiserhead]

IFS has its advantages as solid axle does. I have been very impressed by the 100's also. The big think is single-handedly the increased power and slight increased efficiency with not much compromise in the earlier models with the rear locker...

[Bluto]

Yep.
At this point, I know Im not going to be a rock crawler or hard core wheeler so the SA vs IFS is not going to be a factor for me. Its built per Land Cruiser tradition and thats what keeps me in the fold.

Im trying to convince the other half to rethink the minivan thing and get a new to us 100 series. But, she said if we decide on one - I will not be able to lift it. I said "yes". ;)

[pskhaat]

...she said if we decide on one - I will not be able to lift it. I said "yes".

I agreed to the same. The wife's Hundy mysteriously sits about 2.5" higher now and has larger tires. Funny that.

[Scott Brady]

Scott,

I completely agree... Overland Journal needs a 100 build-up series.

[WJinTRSC]

Scott,

I completely agree... Overland Journal needs a 100 build-up series.

PLEASE!!!!:wings: :jumping: That would be amazing and of course, everyone here would have atleast some sort of input as to what is done to it and be able to discuss the details and bring info. to the table throughout the process!

[ChuckB]

:rockon:

[ShottsCruisers]

It has already been done. :)

That's the best pic I've seen of this yet. Man, did Slee out do himself on this truck!

[haven]

It would be nice if the price were a little lower. Autotrader.com shows 45 Land Cruisers and LX470s for less than $16,000, but only a few lower than $14,000. Most are high mileage (>125,000), but that's only 14,000 miles a year. Lexus are offered at somewhat higher prices, but usually have lower miles.

The 100 series uses a belt to drive the cams, while the 80 series uses a chain. Check to be sure the belt was replaced at around 90,000 miles.

The 100 series was, and still is, offered with solid front axle everywhere except North America. It's called the 105. The base model 105 has manual locking hubs, part time transfer case, manual transmission, and 4.2L straight 6 diesel engine: A near-perfect platform for an overland vehicle.

I read online that the 105's front axle, hubs, transfer case and transmission is the same as used in the 1999 and later Toyota model 78 Land Cruiser. Maybe this is where Slee got the equipment for his 100 series demo truck.

Chip Haven

[Dirty Harry]

I read online that the 105's front axle, hubs, transfer case and transmission is the same as used in the 1999 and later Toyota model 78 Land Cruiser. Maybe this is where Slee got the equipment for his 100 series demo truck.


Slee had Diamond Axle build a new housing that uses 80 outers and the rear chunk from an 80 Series (9.5" ring gear). The rear axles were redrilled to match the 6 lug pattern and Slee used his normal 80 series coils and arms on custom brackets that they added to the housing.

[ShottsCruisers]

It has already been done. :)

I just spoke to Slee about buying his SAS 100. He gave me a fair price. The trouble is the '97 LX450 I just finished building. I have $25K in it. $12.2K for the truck and $13K in mods. It now runs great and is smooth. How much could I sell it for?

[DaveInDenver]

The 100 series was, and still is, offered with solid front axle everywhere except North America. It's called the 105. The base model 105 has manual locking hubs, part time transfer case, manual transmission, and 4.2L straight 6 diesel engine: A near-perfect platform for an overland vehicle.
The 105 is basically 100-series sheet metal on an 80 frame. I think the 105 is also dying with the IFS 100 series as the 130 series is introduced. But Toyota is offering a new 4 door 76-series wagon to take it's place. I think this probably makes sense, since the 100 here and in many countries is a relatively cushy truck (even Australia has IFS 100 series that have nav systems and DVD players). So since they don't have any desire to reintroduce a utility Cruiser to our market, why not make the 70 series the working series and the 130 the softer line? It's not that the 130 is going to be a complete cream puff, just not a 70 series.

[flyingwil]

I just spoke to Slee about buying his SAS 100. He gave me a fair price. The trouble is the '97 LX450 I just finished building. I have $25K in it. $12.2K for the truck and $13K in mods. It now runs great and is smooth. How much could I sell it for?


I'll give you $100 and an Eezi-Awn?

[ShottsCruisers]

I'll give you $100 and an Eezi-Awn?

SOLD! :oops:

Damn....I want his SAS.....the LX is just finished though.

[locrwln]

There's apparently rhyme and reason to this. The 2UZ is an interference engine and the 1FZ is a non-interference engine. It seems this follows Toyota's general trend that an engine that has a critical clearance has (relatively) easy to service timing and a presumably less critical design has a harder to service timing system. Just what it seems like to me, dunno if it's an absolute truism. The 22R is supposedly a non-interference engine (and this seems true in my case, no piston/valve impact when my chain broke) and has a chain, the 3VZ has a belt is interference.

Actually as far as the 22r series goes, they are interference engines, whereas the 3.0/3.4's are non-interference engines. I'm not sure how you avoided the damage when your chain broke:Wow1: Not sure on the 1fz, but I don't think they are interference engines either.

Jack

[DaveInDenver]

Actually as far as the 22r series goes, they are interference engines, whereas the 3.0/3.4's are non-interference engines. I'm not sure how you avoided the damage when your chain broke:Wow1: Not sure on the 1fz, but I don't think they are interference engines either.

Jack
Man, yesterday was a long day. I was completely backwards. The 22R is an interference engine and the timing belt driven engines are typically non-interference (thus the reliance on a timing belt rather than a chain). The F/2F/3F are atypical in that they are non-interference and use a robust timing system (gears!). But, yeah duh, the R motors are interference. I even knew that from an earlier thread (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3449&highlight=interference).

[Desertdude]

I just spoke to Slee about buying his SAS 100. He gave me a fair price. The trouble is the '97 LX450 I just finished building. I have $25K in it. $12.2K for the truck and $13K in mods. It now runs great and is smooth. How much could I sell it for?

Trade + Ca$h

[locrwln]

I just spoke to Slee about buying his SAS 100. He gave me a fair price. The trouble is the '97 LX450 I just finished building. I have $25K in it. $12.2K for the truck and $13K in mods. It now runs great and is smooth. How much could I sell it for?

Psshaahhh. After you have built a few rigs and sold them for less than half of what you got into them it get's easier.:shakin:

Jack

[calamaridog]

Allow me to disagree.

When people start welding stuff on them and fabricating some decent suspension then perhaps I will revist this thread.

Bolt on sliders?(insert vomit here)

[ShottsCruisers]

Trade + Ca$h

That was a no.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Psshaahhh. After you have built a few rigs and sold them for less than half of what you got into them it get's easier.:shakin:

Jack


Has a more accurate statement been written before??? I shudder at the recepts I have from the Unlimited build...Jack how long did the sting last when you sold that built 4Runner?

[Dirty Harry]

Jack how long did the sting last when you sold that built 4Runner?

It is for sale again. I think that Jack should buy it back. :)

[Redline]

Are you selling your 4Runner?

James



It is for sale again. I think that Jack should buy it back. :)

[Dirty Harry]

Are you selling your 4Runner?


No, I am just going to leave the 4Runner in Reno with my parents. They are using it for ghost town and birding trips and I drive it when I come back to town. Jack/lowcrwln had a built 1st Gen 4Runner with 35s and a solid front axle that is up for sale again. Maybe 4Runners are obsolete now that it is the era of the 100 Series. :)

[locrwln]

Has a more accurate statement been written before??? I shudder at the recepts I have from the Unlimited build...Jack how long did the sting last when you sold that built 4Runner?

It hurts everytime I think about how much I had into my Jeep and sold it, it hurts everytime I think about how much I had into the 4Runner and it only hurts slightly less when I think about how much I had into my LX450. It really hit home when I noticed that Brian (the guy in Minnesota who bought it) has the 4runner up for sale.

And yes Harry, I did consider buying it back, but I realized that the reasons that I sold it would not be any different, so I doesn't make much sense. Besides, there may be another something, something in the works.

As we all know it's only money and you can't take it with you and you're not getting out alive, so you might as well have fun while your here.:gunt:

Jack

[60seriesguy]

I don't know if the era is here or not, but at least *I'm* committed! Really looking forward to the buildup! :)

[kcowyo]

Henry, did I see/read you sold the 60.....?!? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[spressomon]

It hurts everytime I think about how much I had into my Jeep and sold it, it hurts everytime I think about how much I had into the 4Runner and it only hurts slightly less when I think about how much I had into my LX450. It really hit home when I noticed that Brian (the guy in Minnesota who bought it) has the 4runner up for sale.

And yes Harry, I did consider buying it back, but I realized that the reasons that I sold it would not be any different, so I doesn't make much sense. Besides, there may be another something, something in the works.

As we all know it's only money and you can't take it with you and you're not getting out alive, so you might as well have fun while your here.:gunt:

Jack


God you're good at keeping secrets :D ... like when you decided to sell your LX! So not to keep us all on the edge of our chairs...can ya at least give us a clue about your "another something"?

[locrwln]

God you're good at keeping secrets :D ... like when you decided to sell your LX! So not to keep us all on the edge of our chairs...can ya at least give us a clue about your "another something"?

Well lets just say this, the Taco went bye-bye yesterday:hehe: So I'm rigless for now...

Jack

[Redline]

Hints??? Staying with Toyota or will it be a different make?



Well lets just say this, the Taco went bye-bye yesterday:hehe: So I'm rigless for now...

Jack

[spressomon]

Well lets just say this, the Taco went bye-bye yesterday:hehe: So I'm rigless for now...

Jack


Holy c'moly Batman! The tax man be loving you boy! It's been said: 3rd time's a charm :jump:







But I ain't hold'n my breath :snorkel:

[spressomon]

Hints??? Staying with Toyota or will it be a different make?


Well...just guess'n here...although I don't think he's hundy bound...but this is a hundy thread after all =8^o

[Redline]

I don't know if Jack likes to buy new, but maybe a new 4D Rubicon?

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Well lets just say this, the Taco went bye-bye yesterday:hehe: So I'm rigless for now...

Jack

You make me feel like I keep rigs forever! Good on ya Jack! C'mon...what's next. I bet a 100 series.

[60seriesguy]

Henry, did I see/read you sold the 60.....?!? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Yes, sir! She went to a great home, where she'll get the attention and daily-use that I couldn't. Tough decision for sure, but the right one.

[locrwln]

I don't know if Jack likes to buy new, but maybe a new 4D Rubicon?

While I would love one, there won't be one in the driveway anytime soon.

Jeremy, I know, I have a disease, I'm sure it qualifies for some kind of twelve step program.

I don't want to get into it too much on someone else's thread. But I'm shooting for an early 80 with a LSX 5.3 v8 swap, etc...

I'm ready to build the 80 I really want.

Jack

[Redline]

I'm not great at keeping vehicles a long time either.

I think the correct 12-step program is to go through twelve rigs until you build the perfect one :-)

James



While I would love one, there won't be one in the driveway anytime soon.

Jeremy, I know, I have a disease, I'm sure it qualifies for some kind of twelve step program.

I don't want to get into it too much on someone else's thread. But I'm shooting for an early 80 with a LSX 5.3 v8 swap, etc...

I'm ready to build the 80 I really want.

Jack

[locrwln]

I'm not great at keeping vehicles a long time either.

I think the correct 12-step program is to go through twelve rigs until you build the perfect one :-)

James

Well I'm hoping that this is the one...now I just have to find the right one to start on.

Jack

[Cruiser99]

I hereby declare this era henceforth to be the era of the 100. The UZJ100's time is come and is here.

Yeah, the 80 rocks. So does the 60 series and the 40/55 series before it. But the years have rolled on and the new LC series is soon out. The age of the 60 series really began with the introduction of the 80. That's when you started seeing a bunch of 60s modified and trail ready. When the 100 was introduced in the late 90s the same thing started happening with the 80s and soon there were more 80s on the trail than any other.

We now stand at the beginning of the next expedition/trail Cruiser, and it is the 100. The 80 takes the back seat, as the 60 did before it. Long live them all, but it's time to embrace the 100.

I embraced mine back in August 1999. Haven't let us down yet

[Christian P.]

I embraced mine back in August 1999. Haven't let us down yet


Cruiser99

what kind of "real world" gas mileage are you getting with these upgrades (tires, racks,...)? I test drove a 80 series this morning, and I loved it, but then I remember the 10 mpg I was getting with my 93 around San Francisco....

thanks

[spressomon]

With my heavily laden '99 100 (4.88's, 315 MT/R, Slee & TJM bumpers, AO drawers plus all the gear, fridge/freeze, etc.) I get 13.5 to 14mpg consistently in and around Reno (highway + city combined). Not bad IMO considering its a 6,500+lb rig that is about as aero as a brick and rolling on MT/R's adds a fair amount of resistence and at 4,500' and up. Pulling my Horizon trailer drops it to 12 to 12.5mpg unless big hills or big headwinds are involved...

Stock with stock Michelins, before all the additions, I would typically get 15-18mpg.

Hope that helps.

[Redline]

That is very good all around MPG Dan. My V8 4Runner doesn't get much better with a little less weight (for now), less height, 5-gears, and narrower/smaller tires but taller ring & pinions.



With my heavily laden '99 100 (4.88's, 315 MT/R, Slee & TJM bumpers, AO drawers plus all the gear, fridge/freeze, etc.) I get 13.5 to 14mpg consistently in and around Reno (highway + city combined). Not bad IMO considering its a 6,500+lb rig that is about as aero as a brick and rolling on MT/R's adds a fair amount of resistence and at 4,500' and up. Pulling my Horizon trailer drops it to 12 to 12.5mpg unless big hills or big headwinds are involved...

Stock with stock Michelins, before all the additions, I would typically get 15-18mpg.

Hope that helps.

[Cruiser99]

Cruiser99

what kind of "real world" gas mileage are you getting with these upgrades (tires, racks,...)? I test drove a 80 series this morning, and I loved it, but then I remember the 10 mpg I was getting with my 93 around San Francisco....

thanks

on road : ~15 without roof rack and camper. 13 towing. cruising at 60-70 mph adds another 1 mpg. going 80's -- forget it.

on an offroad trip I usualy plan for 700-800 mi range depending on how much "offroad" i will do.

[Cruiser99]

Pulling my Horizon trailer drops it to 12 to 12.5mpg unless big hills or big headwinds are involved.

winds are a big deal for me as well

[charlieaarons]

12-13.5 mpg? That's not so great. My camping rig weighs 27,000 lb full of fuel, water and gear and is 11'3" tall and 7'8" wide and gets 9mpg @ 60 mph. In terms of mpg/ton thats about 2.7 times better.
I think some of you guys spend a lot of bucks on your Landcruisers. Those of you that plan on keeping them ought to think about diesel conversions, either 1HZ, 1HD-T, D4D or Cummins 4BT. Fuel isn't getting cheaper and 12.5 mpg@$3.50/gal = $28,000 over 100,000 miles. Cut that in half and you pay for a diesel professionally done with a lot of change.

Charlie

[spressomon]

12-13.5 mpg? That's not so great. My camping rig weighs 27,000 lb full of fuel, water and gear and is 11'3" tall and 7'8" wide and gets 9mpg @ 60 mph. In terms of mpg/ton thats about 2.7 times better.
I think some of you guys spend a lot of bucks on your Landcruisers. Those of you that plan on keeping them ought to think about diesel conversions, either 1HZ, 1HD-T, D4D or Cummins 4BT. Fuel isn't getting cheaper and 12.5 mpg@$3.50/gal = $28,000 over 100,000 miles. Cut that in half and you pay for a diesel professionally done with a lot of change.

Charlie

But you can't take your camping rig where I can take my hundy...:D

A diesel conversion makes more sense IMO on a 60 or maybe an early 80 series. However with the more complex electronics on the 100's I would be concerned about finding someone to work on it if I needed to...assuming you could get it to pass smog where applicable.

[charlieaarons]

[QUOTE=spressomon]But you can't take your camping rig where I can take my hundy...:D

I'm not sure you'd want to bet me on that. If I knew what a "hundy" was.

Charlie

[spressomon]

[QUOTE=spressomon]But you can't take your camping rig where I can take my hundy...:D

I'm not sure you'd want to bet me on that. If I knew what a "hundy" was.

Charlie


hundy = 100 Series Landcruiser

Over 7' wide and 11' tall...gotta be a long'n too...I'd imagine your set for milder terrain...but surprise me :safari-rig:

[Dirty Harry]

I'm not sure you'd want to bet me on that.

Charlie your Unicat could probably crush everything in its path on Nevada trails, but it would not be pretty. As the pinstriping on spressomon's 100 Series can attest, many of the trails are overgrown with vegetation or are old mining roads that are barely wide enough for even a Jeep.

[charlieaarons]

Yes yes of course I know size inhibits access to narrow places especially in forested terrain. But seriously (since this is an expedition truck forum) there is a concept in Third World driving called "most common truck". For example in Russia it would be a big Kamaz or Ural; in China a Dong Feng 2.5 or 5 tonner; etc. The ruts and obstacles on dirt roads never get quite bad enough to stop the MCT because if they do the road is fixed. But they can get quite bad when you're driving something the size of a Landcruiser, as competent as we all know they are. Since a Unimog falls in the larger size category, it gets through whatever the MCT does (though some of those Russian trucks are pretty humoungous I'll admit). So the answer is it depends: sometimes a little but competent 4WD gets through the best and sometimes the big one is better.
My problem up here is that there isn't exactly a big population of Unimogs to offroad with except the Germans visiting in the summer. I figure it would take about 4 good Landcruisers (good tires, lockers) to get me unstuck if I got good and bogged. So I've starting carrying 4X5' steel landing mats, a 4X4X4' 8 ton air bag, the 2 winches, 2 Pullpal anchors, etc.
But the desert is generally no problem for the Unimog; the biggest issue is bottomless mud like the "dry" lake I spent 3 days in, in Baja. And there's lots of swamps where I live. People build "tundra buggies" with stripped 1 ton chassis with lockers, 6.17s, plywood cabs and 44"s. I guess I should look into some 24R21s like the ones on tank transporters.

Charlie

[Dirty Harry]

Time for a rollagon Charlie. :luxhello:

[spressomon]

Yes yes of course I know size inhibits access to narrow places especially in forested terrain. But seriously (since this is an expedition truck forum) there is a concept in Third World driving called "most common truck". For example in Russia it would be a big Kamaz or Ural; in China a Dong Feng 2.5 or 5 tonner; etc. The ruts and obstacles on dirt roads never get quite bad enough to stop the MCT because if they do the road is fixed. But they can get quite bad when you're driving something the size of a Landcruiser, as competent as we all know they are. Since a Unimog falls in the larger size category, it gets through whatever the MCT does (though some of those Russian trucks are pretty humoungous I'll admit). So the answer is it depends: sometimes a little but competent 4WD gets through the best and sometimes the big one is better.
My problem up here is that there isn't exactly a big population of Unimogs to offroad with except the Germans visiting in the summer. I figure it would take about 4 good Landcruisers (good tires, lockers) to get me unstuck if I got good and bogged. So I've starting carrying 4X5' steel landing mats, a 4X4X4' 8 ton air bag, the 2 winches, 2 Pullpal anchors, etc.
But the desert is generally no problem for the Unimog; the biggest issue is bottomless mud like the "dry" lake I spent 3 days in, in Baja. And there's lots of swamps where I live. People build "tundra buggies" with stripped 1 ton chassis with lockers, 6.17s, plywood cabs and 44"s. I guess I should look into some 24R21s like the ones on tank transporters.

Charlie


Ok...you've got my attention...now how about some pics?

[spressomon]

Ok...found the pics: "UNCLE"! :iagree:

[Brian894x4]

12-13.5 mpg? That's not so great. My camping rig weighs 27,000 lb full of fuel, water and gear and is 11'3" tall and 7'8" wide and gets 9mpg @ 60 mph. In terms of mpg/ton thats about 2.7 times better.
I think some of you guys spend a lot of bucks on your Landcruisers. Those of you that plan on keeping them ought to think about diesel conversions, either 1HZ, 1HD-T, D4D or Cummins 4BT. Fuel isn't getting cheaper and 12.5 mpg@$3.50/gal = $28,000 over 100,000 miles. Cut that in half and you pay for a diesel professionally done with a lot of change.

Charlie

You're not kidding. My 80 isn't my daily driver, but it still makes me sick everytime I have to pay about $70-80 to fill it up and only get about 250 miles on a single tank. So, in addition to cost of fuel, there's the lack of range, which has already been a problem. I love my 80 a great deal and dont' regret buying one, but not I'm sure either an 80 or 100 is such a wise investment going forward, especially in light of the cost to buy and build one. I just don't foresee fuel prices ever coming down and I wonder if SUVs like ours, will actually become targets of both the government the enviros going forward in the form of vandelism and extra taxes and fees. It kind of seems like our society is heading that direction.

[spressomon]

You're not kidding. My 80 isn't my daily driver, but it still makes me sick everytime I have to pay about $70-80 to fill it up and only get about 250 miles on a single tank. So, in addition to cost of fuel, there's the lack of range, which has already been a problem. I love my 80 a great deal and dont' regret buying one, but not I'm sure either an 80 or 100 is such a wise investment going forward, especially in light of the cost to buy and build one. I just don't foresee fuel prices ever coming down and I wonder if SUVs like ours, will actually become targets of both the government the enviros going forward in the form of vandelism and extra taxes and fees. It kind of seems like our society is heading that direction.


You know...we all use energy/natural resources differently. Folks that drive fuel efficient vehicles and then sneer at me/us are ignorant of their own carbon footprint (most anyway!). Sorta like the folks that think hunting is cruel...but have no problem woof'n down a chicken breast sandwich, t-bone, or whatever factory grown meat product they consume without a second thought about that animal's quality of life er...inequality of life...or how/where it got onto their plate. The list of compares is almost endless.

People don't have any problem driving to the airport to board a plane to go to a resort to spend resources in a fancy hotel/resort...so it's all about trade-offs and how we all justify our own use of energy/natural resources...it'd just be nice if more people realized their own impact and the trade-offs we all can and do make from time to time.

"I'm a vegetarian...but I eat fish and chicken"...I can't tell ya how many times I have overheard people say shyte like that!

A Prius, as much as I like 'em, isn't going to get me very far off the beaten path.


Ok...sorry for the rant...you hit a hot button of mine.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

A diesel conversion on a landcruiser (They didn't care what series it was) from dieseltoyz.com runs about $20,000.00 (This was last weeks price as I was quoted directly from them). The breakdown was $12000.00 for the halfcut from japan and $8000.00 for labor.

Compared to a diesel Tacoma double cab at about $12000.00 total. That's a lot of unleaded fuel anyway you cut it. Oh and if you think they are over priced for a factory finish, they stated that there is an eight month waiting period to have a conversion completed.

I'll continue to look for my used 100 series with a petrol V-8.

[Brian894x4]

You know...we all use energy/natural resources differently. Folks that drive fuel efficient vehicles and then sneer at me/us are ignorant of their own carbon footprint (most anyway!). Sorta like the folks that think hunting is cruel...but have no problem woof'n down a chicken breast sandwich, t-bone, or whatever factory grown meat product they consume without a second thought about that animal's quality of life er...inequality of life...or how/where it got onto their plate. The list of compares is almost endless.

People don't have any problem driving to the airport to board a plane to go to a resort to spend resources in a fancy hotel/resort...so it's all about trade-offs and how we all justify our own use of energy/natural resources...it'd just be nice if more people realized their own impact and the trade-offs we all can and do make from time to time.

"I'm a vegetarian...but I eat fish and chicken"...I can't tell ya how many times I have overheard people say shyte like that!

A Prius, as much as I like 'em, isn't going to get me very far off the beaten path.


Ok...sorry for the rant...you hit a hot button of mine.

No problem. I completely agree with you. I drive a 17 year old Honda Civic as my daily driver, but what concerns me is that I'm seeing a social change in this country. People want someone/thing to blame for global warming and high gas prices. And no I'm not debating the legitimacy of either issue, but one major scapegoat is SUVs, like the Hummer. The Land Cruiser doesn't seem to come up much, but an SUV is an SUV. We've sort of fortunately flown under the radar of the enviro nut jobs and the Hummers have taken most of the brunt, lately. Perhaps partly, because Toyota has a reputation for good gas mileage, no matter the size, so the assumption is that the Land Cruisers do well. Little do they know. Of course, that all may get shattered with the introduction of the new Land Cruiser, which is truly huge and has a huge V-8 to go with it.

I just wonder if socially and governmentally, if future taxes, regulations, etc, might spell the end of these vehicles, including our older models.

Sort of like smoking. Sure it's still legal, but there's not many places left where you can, cigs are expensive, and it's now truly socially unacception to most people. In fact, now they are considering a 1000% tax on cigars. I just wonder if that's the future of the Land Cruiser wagon. Extra taxes, social stigma, and restrictions on where/when they can drive.

[calamaridog]

My truck gets 15 mpg on the hwy doing 75. The tank is 25 gallons but the gas light comes on at 20. I usually fill up right at 300 miles. It isn't cheap, but I knew it wouldn't be. I didn't plan to drive 3000+ miles per month either, but that is just temporary.

I'm feeling good about the truck. At 115,000 miles, it runs like a champ. I just need to sort out some worn steering components, and hopefully Dan will pioneer some suspension improvements:D

As far as a diesel conversion, I think Alan Podvin swapped a Duramax into one of his frankenstein 100's.

Frankly, I don't see how a diesel conversion is cost effective at all. I'm planning on at least 250,000 miles out of the current motor, and why not more? I was also planning on buying an extra motor and storing it. I've seen motors with around 50k miles going for less than $2000 complete.

[locrwln]

[QUOTE=24HOURSOFNEVADA]A diesel conversion on a landcruiser (They didn't care what series it was) from dieseltoyz.com runs about $20,000.00 (This was last weeks price as I was quoted directly from them). The breakdown was $12000.00 for the halfcut from japan and $8000.00 for labor.

QUOTE]

Exactly while I would love a TD Landcruiser, they are just not cost effective in the US. As you said, you can buy a lot of gas for that amount of money.

Jack

[DaveInDenver]

The breakdown was $12000.00 for the halfcut from japan
Wow! Jarco gets about $3K for a Hilux half cut with a 2L-TE and $4K for a Hilux half cut with a 1KZ-TE. Dunno hours on a swap, but $8K is probably in the 75 hours range, which is probably about right on. The wiring harness from the JDM vehicles is set up for a RHD and the bulk of the labor of switching a 22R motor to a 2L motor is flipping the wiring to LHD. The drivetrains themselves are more or less bolt in. Went through this engine stuff when mine died and I decided to stick with a gasoline engine. It helps that my little 22R-E gets 20 MPG on average, which isn't too bad, and has a 19 gallon fuel tank. I can live with a 350 mile range before breaking out the aux storage. It's slow, but no slower than a 2L would be and the up side IMHO is finding parts and service is not a problem anywhere.

[gearguywb]

Proffitts Cruisers in Colorado does a lot of diesel conversions on 80's. Don't know what he is charging but might be worth a look.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

I have no experience with Jarco, but Dieseltoyz did say the tacos and 4runners were alot cheaper. I also called Pendy (Land Rover Genius) on the same day last week and asked about converting a Land Rover Discovery to 300 TDI motor. He will do it for about 12000. to 14000.00. That's still alot of unleaded when it seems I keep a rig for only two or three years.

[hoser]

Proffitts Cruisers in Colorado does a lot of diesel conversions on 80's. Don't know what he is charging but might be worth a look.It was something like $12-14k which included the Cummins 4BTA engine, tranny, and a 4" suspension lift.

[charlieaarons]

You know...we all use energy/natural resources differently. Folks that drive fuel efficient vehicles and then sneer at me/us are ignorant of their own carbon footprint (most anyway!). Sorta like the folks that think hunting is cruel...but have no problem woof'n down a chicken breast sandwich, t-bone, or whatever factory grown meat product they consume without a second thought about that animal's quality of life er...inequality of life...or how/where it got onto their plate. The list of compares is almost endless.

People don't have any problem driving to the airport to board a plane to go to a resort to spend resources in a fancy hotel/resort...so it's all about trade-offs and how we all justify our own use of energy/natural resources...it'd just be nice if more people realized their own impact and the trade-offs we all can and do make from time to time.

"I'm a vegetarian...but I eat fish and chicken"...I can't tell ya how many times I have overheard people say shyte like that!

A Prius, as much as I like 'em, isn't going to get me very far off the beaten path.


Ok...sorry for the rant...you hit a hot button of mine.

I agree with you 100%. If "they" don't like how much fuel is being burned, "they" can enact a $2.50/gal fuel tax, which will solve our national debt, lower income taxes and decrease oil imports. I'd like that; then "they" could shut up and fork over the money. And the highways would be a bit less congested. And I am not being sarcastic. I think that would solve the fuel economy "problem" if such exists, with pure market forces, not heavy handed big brother legislation, which seems to be the approach so far in this country. I think then we'd see a flood of light duty diesels, and some diesel-electric hybrids.
I've always liked diesels; I put a Perkins 4.236 in a FJ40 in 1975, about 30 years too early.

Charlie

[spressomon]

I agree with you 100%. If "they" don't like how much fuel is being burned, "they" can enact a $2.50/gal fuel tax, which will solve our national debt, lower income taxes and decrease oil imports. I'd like that; then "they" could shut up and fork over the money. And the highways would be a bit less congested. And I am not being sarcastic. I think that would solve the fuel economy "problem" if such exists, with pure market forces, not heavy handed big brother legislation, which seems to be the approach so far in this country. I think then we'd see a flood of light duty diesels, and some diesel-electric hybrids.
I've always liked diesels; I put a Perkins 4.236 in a FJ40 in 1975, about 30 years too early.

Charlie

Without the current U.S. federal government oil/fuel industry subsidies it is said our current price per gallon would be at $10.00 per gallon.

[DaveInDenver]

Without the current U.S. federal government oil/fuel industry subsidies it is said our current price per gallon would be at $10.00 per gallon.
Exxon's refining margins are around $40 per barrel at the current price of oil. Remove subsidies and other artificial pricing variables and I still think the current price of gasoline would be the more or less purely market determined price. So assuming the price of gasoline is $3, Exxon generates $126 per barrel of oil. If the crude cost $75, that means there is $51 in cost and profit (so $10 of each barrel does not go to Exxon, mostly taxes I'd expect). Assuming those costs stayed fixed, at $10/gallon for gasoline, each barrel of oil would give Exxon 5 times the refining margins they have now. I really doubt the market would bear $10/gal and so Exxon would not naturally charge that much unless the price of crude and the cost of processing also tripled. Please expand on the $10/gal thought, that does not seem right. Who is saying this? How much of the $40 margin is subsidized? If it's most, then I could see the oil companies raising the price. OPEC largely sets the barrel price, so not much the US Government can do there. Something like 1/3 the pump price is taxes, so that's not helping anyone when they fill their tank. Subsidizes are apparently not at the refining level, since no one seems to want to tackle the red tape to get one built anymore. If they are paying them not to refine, then removing the subsidy would increase the number of refineries and the price would go down. Where are the subsidies coming and going?

[zimm]

Without the current U.S. federal government oil/fuel industry subsidies it is said our current price per gallon would be at $10.00 per gallon.


eh? i think youve been in the sun


:sunny:

[spressomon]

Exxon's refining margins are around $40 per barrel at the current price of oil. Remove subsidies and other artificial pricing variables and I still think the current price of gasoline would be the more or less purely market determined price. So assuming the price of gasoline is $3, Exxon generates $126 per barrel of oil. If the crude cost $75, that means there is $51 in cost and profit (so $10 of each barrel does not go to Exxon, mostly taxes I'd expect). Assuming those costs stayed fixed, at $10/gallon for gasoline, each barrel of oil would give Exxon 5 times the refining margins they have now. I really doubt the market would bear $10/gal and so Exxon would not naturally charge that much unless the price of crude and the cost of processing also tripled. Please expand on the $10/gal thought, that does not seem right. Who is saying this? How much of the $40 margin is subsidized? If it's most, then I could see the oil companies raising the price. OPEC largely sets the barrel price, so not much the US Government can do there. Something like 1/3 the pump price is taxes, so that's not helping anyone when they fill their tank. Subsidizes are apparently not at the refining level, since no one seems to want to tackle the red tape to get one built anymore. If they are paying them not to refine, then removing the subsidy would increase the number of refineries and the price would go down. Where are the subsidies coming and going?


I'll see if I can find the article...I saw it several weeks ago...can't remember if it was on-line or maybe in one of my paper magazines.

Also...remember the federal government actually benefits from the wild price swings/hence profit levels of the big oil companies...it's called short term capital gains. Last year when oil company profits were at record highs the federal government got their share...sort of a silent tax (to the general public anyway)...to the tune of hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars...

I understand, amongst the worlds developed countries, the USA is still one of the lowest costs for gasoline.

[DaveInDenver]

I understand, amongst the worlds developed countries, the USA is still one of the lowest costs for gasoline.
102 lowest of 141 (I love NationMaster):
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_gas_pri-energy-gasoline-prices

Our gasoline price is very low when compared to highly developed nations, similar to New Zealand. Overall it's low against average, but the very expensive prices are largely Europe and I suspect taxes are not a small reason for that.

[pskhaat]

There is a subsidy if you consider the oil wars and foreign oil policy, though not direct.

The US also benefits from high oil demand as the oil markets are largely traded in USD. Yes, US is relatively low in terms of price/quantity of fuel, but we also don't have the tax base against it nor receive the benefits like public transportation that other countries do.


Now, back the Hundy! :) LC's fuel consumption is horrible, even in the more modern engines. Even in the gasoline maybe a poor range of gearing? It is too bad that Toyota/Hino diesel's never make it into the States due to Toyota USA.

[spressomon]

There is a subsidy if you consider the oil wars and foreign oil policy, though not direct.

The US also benefits from high oil demand as the oil markets are largely traded in USD. Yes, US is relatively low in terms of price/quantity of fuel, but we also don't have the tax base against it nor receive the benefits like public transportation that other countries do.


Now, back the Hundy! :) LC's fuel consumption is horrible, even in the more modern engines. Even in the gasoline maybe a poor range of gearing? It is too bad that Toyota/Hino diesel's never make it into the States due to Toyota USA.


I think the '03+ with 5spd picked up a little better mileage than the '98-'02 due to more efficient shift points etc. locrwln1 brought this issue up with the 4.5L 80...why is it low on HP and has terrible efficiency?

However...my buddy with his Duramax 2500 used to get 18-19mpg at highway speeds when stock; he added lift, 35" MT's, a camper shell that sticks up above the cab some...and now it's 14mpg highway. I would have expected the DM to power right over the mods without a resultant 20-25% decrease in efficiency.

[DaveInDenver]

I would have expected the DM to power right over the mods without a resultant 20-25% decrease in efficiency.
Is he running stock gearing and is his speedometer adjusted for the tire size difference? If not, a jump from say a ~31" (just guessing on stock tire sizes) to a 35" tire would end up registering miles around 20% to 25% slower than stock. So the mileage would look like it's a lot worse since the odometer isn't registering miles accurately.

[pskhaat]

I would have expected the DM to power right over the mods without a resultant 20-25% decrease in efficiency.

You have scared me on the the Duramax :( I really want to build a full-sized but have no plans of so doing if I'd get the same mileage!


I did see this with our Hundy. I'd pull an easy 20mpg light hwy driving until the OME lift and 315s. Now we're 14-16. WTF? I used to be about 18-19 on my FZJ80 now I'm about at 12-15 but I have lots of weight and tires and lift and RTT, bumpers, et cetera.

I can't figure out why the drivetrain takes a nose dive on the mpg scale on the LC100. I am also running 315s on that, but with 4.30s and the same tranny thought I could see a lesser % of decrease in mpg than I do.

I will soon drop to a lower sized tire on the 100 and see how that affects it.

I've always heard preached efficiency and reliability are inverse relations. You can have one, but not both.

Edit for DiD: those numbers above are tire-size corrected :)

[spressomon]

Is he running stock gearing and is his speedometer adjusted for the tire size difference? If not, a jump from say a ~31" (just guessing on stock tire sizes) to a 35" tire would end up registering miles around 20% to 25% slower than stock. So the mileage would look like it's a lot worse since the odometer isn't registering miles accurately.


That was the first thing I asked him...and he said he adjusted the miles for the 35"...but not quite the same as doing it myself ;-)

[DaveInDenver]

Edit for DiD: those numbers above are tire-size corrected :)
I used to assume that everyone corrected, but now I'm not so sure. Just mentioning it.

[spressomon]

You have scared me on the the Duramax :( I really want to build a full-sized but have no plans of so doing if I'd get the same mileage!


I did see this with our Hundy. I'd pull an easy 20mpg light hwy driving until the OME lift and 315s. Now we're 14-16. WTF? I used to be about 18-19 on my FZJ80 now I'm about at 12-15 but I have lots of weight and tires and lift and RTT, bumpers, et cetera.

I can't figure out why the drivetrain takes a nose dive on the mpg scale on the LC100. I am also running 315s on that, but with 4.30s and the same tranny thought I could see a lesser % of decrease in mpg than I do.

I will soon drop to a lower sized tire on the 100 and see how that affects it.

I've always heard preached efficiency and reliability are inverse relations. You can have one, but not both.

Edit for DiD: those numbers above are tire-size corrected :)


My MPG stayed the same when I went from stock 4.30 and 285R7516 MT/R's to 4.88 and 315R7516 MT/R's (nothing else changed on the rig that would have affected MPG). So given the heavier and larger 315's the drivetrain is actually running more efficient with the 4.88/315 vs 4.30/285's.

The best I ever pulled with my stock '99 was 18mpg...but to do that I had to keep the rpm's under 2,000...which is the sweet spot for the 4.7L.

[locrwln]

However...my buddy with his Duramax 2500 used to get 18-19mpg at highway speeds when stock; he added lift, 35" MT's, a camper shell that sticks up above the cab some...and now it's 14mpg highway. I would have expected the DM to power right over the mods without a resultant 20-25% decrease in efficiency.

Wow. My PSD runs about the same mileage, but when I drop to 14 mpg, it's because I am hauling a 3500lb+ Lance 10' Cabover Camper, doesn't seem to matter if the trailer is behind the camper or not. Of course, I am running the stock gearing and stock size tires.

I don't think I knew that the stock 100's could pull that kind of mileage, that is impressive. Too bad there is such a penalty when the mods we like are added.

Jack

[Brian894x4]

locrwln1 brought this issue up with the 4.5L 80...why is it low on HP and has terrible efficiency?

Compared to the engine it replaced, effeciency is way up. Remember this engine was developed some 18 years ago, when the the 22RE was still the primary mini-truck engine and the 3.0 V-6 making 150 h.p. and getting about 15-18 mpg was the top of the line engine in the mini-trucks.

So, 212 h.p. and 275 ft/lbs of torque and about 15 mpg in a vehicle that weighed about 3 tons, was not bad, considering the engine it replaced.

But most importantly, the 1FZ was designed almost entirely around being reliable and durable, since most applications involved use overseas. Toyota was also limited in that they had to maintain roughly the same engine deminsions as the 3FE.

By keeping the h.p. low, the engine could last forever in virtually any condition, and with lower compression than other engines of the day, could run on almost any pump gas, including the gas found in 3rd world countries and the engine was specificly tuned for extremely low end torque for low speed towing and driving over rough roads.

I got more detailed info about the 1FZ development and history on this page:

http://www.brian894x4.com/ExpeditionLandCruiserFZJ80engine.html

It's too bad the TRD superchargers are discontinued, because they apparantely really wake up the 1FZ, which goes to show just how detuned the motor really is. I would sure love to have one on my '95.

[spressomon]

Wow. My PSD runs about the same mileage, but when I drop to 14 mpg, it's because I am hauling a 3500lb+ Lance 10' Cabover Camper, doesn't seem to matter if the trailer is behind the camper or not. Of course, I am running the stock gearing and stock size tires.

I don't think I knew that the stock 100's could pull that kind of mileage, that is impressive. Too bad there is such a penalty when the mods we like are added.

Jack

The mods are the same with respect to bumpers, sliders, and lift (as long as you don't need/want more than 2.75" of lift...otherwise forget it!). However not much in the way of used deals out there on this stuff yet.

[DaveInDenver]

It's too bad the TRD superchargers are discontinued, because they apparantely really wake up the 1FZ, which goes to show just how detuned the motor really is. I would sure love to have one on my '95.
Someone at the last club meeting said TRD is replacing the old M90 supercharger with a newer design. I dunno specifics, but might just be a redesign of the s/c that's in the works. Just unsubstantiated, uncredited rumor.

[locrwln]

Someone at the last club meeting said TRD is replacing the old M90 supercharger with a newer design. I dunno specifics, but might just be a redesign of the s/c that's in the works. Just unsubstantiated, uncredited rumor.


That's interesting that they would be redesigning a S/C for a 10+ year old vehicle. Maybe there was enough of a demand in other parts of the world and we will get the benefits...

Jack

[Redline]

Okay 24HOURSOFNEVADA, are you going to share the big news with the group?

Shopping a little more seriously now?

[gearguywb]

you guys are killing me. I have been trying to refrain from buying (and building) a 100......this IS NOT helping.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Okay 24HOURSOFNEVADA, are you going to share the big news with the group?

Shopping a little more seriously now?

Yeah, I started a thread in the jeep section titled "She's Gone." Why are all the white 100's so far away??

[Martinjmpr]

Dumb question, perhaps, but what is the similarity between the 100 and the Prado? We don't get the Prado in the US (although we get the very similar looking Lexus GX470, I think it is.) We had a Prado over in Kuwait and it was a pretty nice vehicle - very luxurious, pretty powerful. I thought it was a little top heavy, though, and not terribly roomy inside. The biggest difference between the Prado and the Lexus is that the Lexus has a liftgate with the spare tire under the frame and the Prado had a side-opening door with the spare mounted to the door (like the Montero or Trooper.) The Prado's we had also had a huge fuel tank - something like 45 gallons total. There was a cool little trip computer that would tell you how much range you had left - on a full tank it was something like 1200kms! :Wow1: My guess is that the place on the Lexus that is occupied by the spare tire is occupied by a gas tank on the Prado.

[spressomon]

Yeah, I started a thread in the jeep section titled "She's Gone." Why are all the white 100's so far away??


Several years ago I searched for several months for a white one...gave up and bought my brown one (go figure!)...but since I like espresso....

[DaveInDenver]

We don't get the Prado in the US (although we get the very similar looking Lexus GX470, I think it is.)
The Prado is the 120 series Land Cruiser and our current 4Runner and GX470 are both very similar to the Prado. Also the FJ Cruiser is closely related, using the same platform. But of all of them, the Lexus is probably the closest to the Prado you saw in Kuwait (well except that it's not diesel and is really fancy).

http://www.toyota120.com/

[Martinjmpr]

The Prado is the 120 series Land Cruiser and our current 4Runner and GX470 are both very similar to the Prado. Also the FJ Cruiser and Tacoma are both closely related, using the same platform. But of all of them, the Lexus is probably the closest to the Prado you saw in Kuwait (well except that it's not diesel and is really fancy).

http://www.toyota120.com/


Oh, our Prados were gas, as were all of our non-tactical vehicles. Diesels are common in parts of the world where fuel is expensive, but fuel is very cheap in Kuwait (on the order of $0.25/US per gallon.) For that reason, diesels are rare. Also, Kuwait is the only place outside the US where large US trucks and SUVs are common.

Our Prados were also very fancy. The trip computer was amazing. About the only high end accessories it didn't have were leather seats and sattelite nav.

Much nicer than driving around in a soft-top hummer in 125+ temperatures!

[Brian894x4]

The Prado is the 120 series Land Cruiser and our current 4Runner and GX470 are both very similar to the Prado. Also the FJ Cruiser and Tacoma are both closely related, using the same platform. But of all of them, the Lexus is probably the closest to the Prado you saw in Kuwait (well except that it's not diesel and is really fancy).

http://www.toyota120.com/

Not the Tacoma, actually. The new Tacoma shares the same front suspension and some drivetrain parts, but that's about it. The frame and rear suspension are nearly carbon copies of the 1st generation Tundra, which is an entirely different chassis, than the Prado/4runner/FJ/Hilux...unfortunately.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Several years ago I searched for several months for a white one...gave up and bought my brown one (go figure!)...but since I like espresso....


I've found a few white ones in Utah, we'll see what happens. I also found a really cool brown one (Just like yours) in Utah. Can we say road trip!

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

you guys are killing me. I have been trying to refrain from buying (and building) a 100......this IS NOT helping.


C'mon...you know you want too. it's what all the kewl kids that really want a LandRover 110 are doing. :D

[DaveInDenver]

Not the Tacoma, actually. The new Tacoma shares the same front suspension and some drivetrain parts, but that's about it. The frame and rear suspension are nearly carbon copies of the 1st generation Tundra, which is an entirely different chassis, than the Prado/4runner/FJ/Hilux...unfortunately.
Sorry, edited my post to mix that mistake. I dunno, saw it on the Toyota120 website. Isn't the Hilux is based on the IMV and not the 120 platform? I have no idea

[Life_in_4Lo]

Not the Tacoma, actually. The new Tacoma shares the same front suspension and some drivetrain parts, but that's about it. The frame and rear suspension are nearly carbon copies of the 1st generation Tundra, which is an entirely different chassis, than the Prado/4runner/FJ/Hilux...unfortunately.

The frame is common up to the driver- it's c-channel after. I believe that is correct. Front suspension, drivetrain, engine are the same as the Prado. 1GR-FE. It has enough in common that I would call it a "offshoot" of the 120.

[Brian894x4]

The frame is common up to the driver- it's c-channel after. I believe that is correct. Front suspension, drivetrain, engine are the same as the Prado. 1GR-FE. It has enough in common that I would call it a "offshoot" of the 120.

I can't say this for 100%, but I don't believe there is any commonality between the two frames, including the front section. As mentioned, the middle and rear sections are different, because the Tacoma uses C-channel from the middle back, just like the 1st generation Tundra, while the Hilux is fully boxed front to rear.

But the TAcoma frame is designed and built by Dana and I don't believe the Hilux frame is, I would imagine the two are completely unrelated, except perhaps in how the front suspension attaches to it.

[rusty_tlc]

Interesting that this thread should get so involved in gas mileage. It is the biggest problem I have with my 100, and not so much from the cost standpoint as the range limits.


As an FYI the jury is still out but I saw a significant drop in mileage after the front ARB install. No other changes to tires, lift or suspension.

When we first got the rig we did a trip from Reno to San Francisco. and averaged around 20 MPG.

Last month we made a trip from Reno to the Southern Oregon Coast and averaged around 16 MPG. The passes were similar to the first trip but the roads didn't allow as consistent a speed so that may also be a factor.

Since I have a dedicated trail rig the 100 won't see as many mods as some of you will make. My goal is to keep it light and close to stock. So no massive bumpers, roof racks, or tall rubber. After seeing what the rig can do stock I don't feel the need base on our expected usage. BTW we love the IFS, if you want to cover a lot of ground fast on dirt/gravel roads it is the kitties titties.

Maybe somebody can explain to me why a IFS is a bad thing in an expedition vehicle?

[DaveInDenver]

But the TAcoma frame is designed and built by Dana and I don't believe the Hilux frame is, I would imagine the two are completely unrelated, except perhaps in how the front suspension attaches to it.
Dana has built Toyota frames for a while now (since 1994), but I would have my doubts that they designed the frame. The Hilux is not based on the 120-platform, so it probably doesn't share much in common with the Taco. But the Tacoma does, I think, share some commonality with the 4Runner again, as well as the Prado, FJ Cruiser, etc.

[DaveInDenver]

Maybe somebody can explain to me why a IFS is a bad thing in an expedition vehicle?
No argument from me. ;-) But then again, I'm not 20 anymore and my iron butt is getting soft.

[kcowyo]

A leaf sprung solid axle would beat you half to death and leave you in kidney failure over a long stretch. I can't comment on a coil sprung SA since I haven't done a long trip in one.

Oh, and I love kitties! :removeredX:

[pskhaat]

Maybe somebody can explain to me why a IFS is a bad thing in an expedition vehicle?

Simplicity of the live axle setup in case of problems. That and the whole articulation thingy; I know IFS can do serious wonders, but I still fly a good wheel on many mild trails in the 100 where the 80's tires would be planted the whole way.

And KC, coil sprung live front ends drive amazingly well.

[upcruiser]

Going from my FJ60 to my FJ80 felt like going from a tractor to a magic carpet. I think the ride is great, especially with the OME setup. I've yet to sample a 100 yet but am seriously considering one this fall. I'm looking for a new (used) daily driver. My main candidates are a 7.3 Powerstroke Ford, 1st gen Tundra, or a 100 series. If the 100 is as sweet as everyone proclaims, it might be the one.

[pskhaat]

FJ60 to my FJ80 felt like...100 yet but am seriously considering one this fall

Moving into a 100 from an 80 is the same difference as into an 80 from a 60 is the same as into a 60 from a 55. It's that drastic.

[upcruiser]

What do you think of the 100's stock suspension settings? I've read elswhere that some feel its a bit underdampened compared to the 80 series offroad. I'm looking for a daily driver but also want to use it to get off the beaten path, and probably have it loaded down pretty good on trips. Looking to keep it as stock as possible though.

[pskhaat]

What do you think of the 100's stock suspension settings?

I went OME springs in both the 80 and the 100 not really for a lift per se but rather to run a little bigger tire (for no real good reason) and most importantly because wherever we went we were dragging *** in both trucks. I think you'll find the 100's rear springs a little weak in terms of load ability.

I run 863s in the back of the 100, and did put the OME tbars in front. Without front modifications like a bumper or winch etc, I wouldn't have needed the OME tbars, the stock would have been fine; I find the OME tbars a little stiff without a big bumper up front. The 863s perform well for us given our half-heavy load.

It should be noted however that I find the 863s on the 80 series to be too light for similar use. Just anecdotally, no science behind that one, and makes no sense whatsoever considering the respective vehicle weights.

[spressomon]

I went OME springs in both the 80 and the 100 not really for a lift per se but rather to run a little bigger tire (for no real good reason) and most importantly because wherever we went we were dragging *** in both trucks. I think you'll find the 100's rear springs a little weak in terms of load ability.

I run 863s in the back of the 100, and did put the OME tbars in front. Without front modifications like a bumper or winch etc, I wouldn't have needed the OME tbars, the stock would have been fine; I find the OME tbars a little stiff without a big bumper up front. The 863s perform well for us given our half-heavy load.

It should be noted however that I find the 863s on the 80 series to be too light for similar use. Just anecdotally, no science behind that one, and makes no sense whatsoever considering the respective vehicle weights.


It sounds like you need firmer springs for your 80...here ya go:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=170293

[pskhaat]

It sounds like you need firmer springs for your 80

Indeed, I have 864s in my 80 now but have very much considered the 868s.

[rusty_tlc]

Simplicity of the live axle setup in case of problems. That and the whole articulation thingy; I know IFS can do serious wonders, but I still fly a good wheel on many mild trails in the 100 where the 80's tires would be planted the whole way.

And KC, coil sprung live front ends drive amazingly well.
Base on one trail fix to my 100, a broken front diff, I would say extra complexity is not a problem. As far as birfields vs cv axles, not much difference there either. A field swap on a birfield may be faster but a correct remove and replace is not much different in terms of time.

If it comes to articulation I have an FJ40 for trails that are to much for the 100.

I just need to pick the right tool for the job.

[LC/LR4Life]

Long live the hundy!!
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