Climb and Crawl 2006- 5/19-21/06: Planning Thread [Archive]

Scott Brady

01-17-2006, 01:43 AM

We did this trip in 2005 and it was a blast. Three days in the mountains East of Superior doing some rock climbing and a fun 3 rated trail.

The schedule is very relaxed, but follows this general theme:

Friday 5/19: Drive into camp at Lower Devils Canyon at around Noon. Those who need to come later can get directions. One of my absolute favorite campsites looking over Devils Canyon. Loads of climbing routes in the area. Stuff for beginner on up to multi pitch routes. We will arrive in camp with enough time to get a few climbs in and set-up some ropes.

Note: Arriving- Take US60 East out of Phoenix, past Superior and through the tunnel. Just after the tunnel is Oak Flats Campground.

Waypoints (WGS84):
1. US60 Turn-off: N33 18.775 W111 02.942
2. 1:00 PM Meeting Location: N33 18.572 W111 03.023 (just a dirt area west of the RV campground)
3. Leave Magma Mine Road: N33 17.875 W111 03.601
4. Top of climb, before switchbacks: N33 16.742 W111 02.726
5. Windmill: N33 16.487 W111 02.403 (Note: make sure to bare left at the Y)
6. Camp: N33 16.582 W111 01.895 Camp is at the Lower Devils Canyon overlook

There will be two established meeting times:

1:00 PM- I will be at the meeting location, and leave at 1:15 sharp. Please advise if you intend to show-up at this time.
6:30 PM- Anyone that has a full work day should plan to meet at this time and travel in together. Coordinate in the thread.

Group Dinner-

I will do the Tequila tomatoes again this trip. If someone else wants to do another side, that would be great. Everyone can bring their own meat and grill (I will bring the grill)

Saturday 5/20: Leave camp for the days 4wd adventure on a challenging trail. Can be done in a high clearance stock SUV if all bypass' are taken. Lots of optional play areas. The goal is to be back in camp for a late lunch and more climbing! Those who dont climb can enjoy the numerous hiking options or take a nap in a chair. Just enjoy the afternoon.

Sunday 5/21: Lazy morning of sleeping in or climbing. Leave around lunch for US 60.

Here are a few reviews on the area and trip:
http://www.bajataco.com/queencreek/index.htm
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2005/looner_climbing/index.html
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/hackberry/index.html
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/hackberry_nov/index.html

The group limit is only because of limited camping spots:

No special permits are required. Group dinner is $10 per person for those who want to partake...

Group Limit- 10

1. Scott and Steph: ProbaTacoma
2. Chris: Tacoma
3. Brian: Land Rover Discovery II
4. Mark, Brooke and Greg: Nissan
5. BMAN: Something with a roof tent on it
6. Brittan: Tacoma
7. Aaron: Trooper
8. Scott: FZJ80
9. Kevin and crew: Land Cruiser
10. Joel: 4Runner

TREKKING GROUP:
Trail Leader: Mark and Brooke

TRAIL GROUP:
Trail Leader: TBD
Aaron: Trooper
Jeff Scott: Suzuki (day participant)

Waiting List:

Scott Brady

01-17-2006, 01:45 AM

GEAR: (minimum for climbing)

Harness
Locking carabiner
shoes (recommended)

For the Devils Canyon trek

Climbing and hiking shoes
Harness
Locking carabiner

A few pics to wet you appetite

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/hackberry_nov/HackberryRockcrawlingandRo/images/Copy%20of%20hackberry%20004.jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/hackberry_nov/HackberryRockcrawlingandRo/images/Copy%20of%20PICT0063.jpg

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/hackberry/images/1-30-04%20039_jpg.jpg

blupaddler

01-17-2006, 02:09 AM

Why does everything have to be in Arizona? :smilies27

HMMMMMM....

Ursidae69

01-17-2006, 03:44 AM

Darnit, I was wanting to do this trip. This is just a few weeks for I leave for Brazil, I doubt I can make it. :( I'll get out to this place one of these days. :ylsmoke:

Brian McVickers

01-17-2006, 05:19 AM

Nice!
SIGN ME UP PLEASE!!
I would love to attend, I remember looking at the pictures and write up a while back and hoping another trip would be planned!
Amy and I have been reading up on climbing, now we better start practicing our knots.:rappel: :camping: :chowtime: :jumping: :jumping:

HongerVenture

01-17-2006, 11:18 AM

Scott,

Any word on whether or not this truly is the last year to make this trip? Previous threads had discussed this area being in danger of closure. If that is the case, I may have to give this some serious thought.

Joel

Scott Brady

01-17-2006, 02:35 PM

There is a very good chance that this will be the last year of access.

Friends of Queen Creek have fought valiantly to preserve access to this area:
http://www.friendsofqueencreek.com/

I cannot underestimate the beauty of this campsite and climbing area. It might also be fun to have two adventure options. The 4wd option on the trail system and a trekking option into Devils Canyon.

Here are a few pictures: http://www.friendsofqueencreek.com/dc040926.htm

datrupr

01-17-2006, 02:46 PM

Scott, sounds like fun. I also was expressing interest in this trip, so sign me up. I am not much of a climber, but I would partake in the hiking, 4 wheeling, and relaxing. I also have never been out to this area and would love to explore it a bit. I am in!

BajaTaco

01-17-2006, 05:31 PM

:jumping: I will bring my new "faerie shoes" :rappel:

pskhaat

01-18-2006, 03:06 AM

I may be able to do this too. Put my name in :)

Wanderlusty

01-18-2006, 01:58 PM

Man, I have been itching to get back out west again.

That looks like SUCH an awesome outing. I remember browsing thru some of those pics a few weeks ago and daydreaming about taking that trip. I would love to go, but seeing as how the date is less than a month after my wife's due date, and we will be smack in the middle of adjusting to parenthood, I won't make this one...

Here is hoping that the lands stay public so you can do it again next year. Heck, here is hoping that the lands stay public because it is the right thing to happen! If things work out so that it is possible to do it next year, then I may just have to join in the fun...

BMAN

01-25-2006, 10:23 PM

Scott,

This sounds awesome! Can I be a tentative for ths trip? I'd also like to know if you've got a GPS capture for the camp area? I might try to make a shorter one night trip out there prior to this scheduled weekend.

goodtimes

01-26-2006, 05:36 AM

You've probably been within 1/4 mile of the campsite Bman. It's just off of "hackberry creek".....down at the cattle pond by the windmill, you normally make a right and go up the hill (towards powerline)....well, don't make that right. Just continue strait on for another 1/4 mile or so, the trail will dead end into a great campsite.

I'd like to make it again this year, but I don't think it will happen. My schedule doesn't allow much of a social life until late in the year.

BMAN

01-26-2006, 04:58 PM

brittan

01-27-2006, 03:36 AM

I will plan on attending...

articulate

01-31-2006, 02:14 AM

:jumping: I will bring my new "faerie shoes" :rappel:
Nice! I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Brooke and I would love to come. Especially for the climbing. There are a septendecillion more routes in Devil's Canyon, not far from camp. I might dedicate myself to the climbing as I have a score to settle with some of the other routes.

Stephens checking in.

Mark

Scott Brady

02-01-2006, 03:03 PM

Ok, it looks like the trip is full :rappel:

Because of the interest, I think we should have a trekking group and a trail group for Saturday. The trek will be into Devils Canyon, so rope and climbing skills are required.

The trail group will run the Hackberry Loop trail. Rock protection recommended, but not required. Limited slip or better in the rear diff recommended, but not required.

I am considering doing a group dinner on Friday night again. I will let everyone know in the next week or two.

jeffryscott

02-05-2006, 07:37 PM

Scott, do you think I could tag along just on Saturday for the 4wd trip? No worries if the group is too big to add another vehicle on the trail.
Thanks,

Jeff

datrupr

02-06-2006, 02:35 PM

Scott, sign me up for the trail group as I am not an experienced climber at all.

Boston Mangler

02-18-2006, 01:28 AM

Oh Yeah!

Count me and my posse in for the Trekking/Climbing Group!

Boston Mangler

04-05-2006, 04:48 PM

Looking forward to this trip! It will be one of my few getaways this year!

Who is bringing what?

I plan on bringing some marinated tri-trip that i had flown in (ok, mom brought it when she visited) from our neighborhood butchery in Boston. It offers the "Best You Have Ever Had Guarantee!"

Climbing Gear? Trail Difficulty Level?

Westy

04-05-2006, 05:02 PM

Hackberry isnt too difficult, your 80 will have no problem. There are a few optional lines that present more of a challenge, and it also depends which way you run the loop(s).

Here is a trip report from two consecutive weekend runs on Hackberry we did:
http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=78742&highlight=hackberry

Scott also has some good info on the trail on his website.

Brian

Boston Mangler

04-05-2006, 05:12 PM

Scott Brady

04-05-2006, 05:18 PM

Looking forward to this trip! It will be one of my few getaways this year
Who is bringing what?

I usually cook for the group, but that might be a challenge this year, having returned from Morocco a week prior.

Climbing Gear? Trail Difficulty Level?

We will have loads of climbing gear, but everyone that wants to climb should have a minimum of a harness and locking carabiner.

Boston Mangler

04-05-2006, 05:46 PM

I usually cook for the group, but that might be a challenge this year, having returned from Morocco a week prior.

No sweat Scott, we can help you out if you'd like.

If you want, I can bring a portable BBQ hibachi thingy with several cans of propane and the usual grilling fare (burgers, hotlinks, buns, condiments, etc...) and of course, one bag of the "Top Secret, Ultra Fancy, Imported All The Way From Boston" Sirloin Tips! :clapsmile

I dont have enough for all, but am willing to share what i have!

I am also willing to share cooking duties, but, if you MUST cook for the group, i wont complain! :hehe:

Can we see a show of hands for volunteers for dish cleaning duties? :hehe:

I guess we need a stove too huh? I have one (somewhat big and bulky) i can bring if its needed, if someone else has it covered, let me know!

Scott, let us know who should bring what. No need to put more stress on you as soon as you get back from Morroco!

We will have loads of climbing gear, but everyone that wants to climb should have a minimum of a harness and locking carabiner.

Great, i will bring my harness, chalkbag, carabiner, and shoes! :jump:

datrupr

04-05-2006, 07:32 PM

I am always willing to help with cooking, cleaning, whatever is needed. I do make some pretty mean omlettes if that is what everyone is in favor of for breakfast, that or some breakfast burritos.

Boston Mangler

04-05-2006, 08:54 PM

I am always willing to help with cooking, cleaning, whatever is needed. I do make some pretty mean omlettes if that is what everyone is in favor of for breakfast, that or some breakfast burritos.

Hmmm, sounds like someone just volunteered for breakfast duties! Sweeet!!

Now, who is doing lunch? :hehe:

datrupr

04-05-2006, 09:50 PM

Breakfast is my favorite meal, any time of day. I love breakfast food:victory:

Boston Mangler

04-06-2006, 01:14 AM

Breakfast is my favorite meal, any time of day. I love breakfast food:victory:

Cool, should we pre place our omelette orders? :hehe:

SinCity4r

04-10-2006, 09:54 PM

This sounds like an awesome trip... If this trip opens up to 11 or someone drops out, I'd love to go! :rappel:

BMAN

04-12-2006, 12:13 AM

I am still very much IN for this run 60 series or 40 series... regardless I'm there!

Boston Mangler

04-12-2006, 12:34 AM

Me too! Very Much So!

Scott Brady

04-17-2006, 01:54 PM

OK, lots of new details in the first two posts.

I need a 4wd trail leader for Saturday (any takers?)

This will be a fun trip, and I will plan on doing a Morocco slide show too.

datrupr

04-17-2006, 02:29 PM

Very cool on the Morocco slide show, I am very stoked about this trip too.

datrupr

04-17-2006, 02:33 PM

Scott, put me down for the 1:00 group.

articulate

04-18-2006, 12:38 AM

Trekking and Climbing:
The hike into Devils Canyon is "technical" and will require a few rappels. :rappel:
Anyone that wishes to do the trek needs a harness, descending device, carabiner(s), and a personal anchor like a sling or two. Anyone need help in this department? I'm glad to do so.

Also, explorers ye be warned: Poison ivy is extensive in the canyon. From what I read, there are some pools at the end, though. Bring a suit or a harebrained level of adventure and go naked.

It could very well be a full-day program because the going is slow - and it's only 2 miles to the pools :). I totally suggest sporting some Keens (or something similar) on your feet. Hiking boots probably won't be the best choice because we'll have some water to slosh through. We'll have to do some class-5 climbing to get out, but nothing extraordinarily difficult. Pack enough water and food for the day, too. My apologies if this info is too basic.

I'll have several ropes as well as all the gear required to set up anchors. We can set up several mild to moderate top rope routes near the campsite, too.

Here's to life,
Mark

Boston Mangler

04-18-2006, 01:15 AM

Hey Mark

I am a beginner climber and have only done "Top Roping" at my local rock gym. I am doing the "Moderate" routes now, but that is where i am at.

Will there be routes for my level? If not, no biggie, just curious.

I have my own harness, shoes, 2 carabiners, decending device and such, but thats about it.

As for the poison ivy, i can SEE it and get it! :D i work outdoors and have got it many times and am very allergic! not fun! :D

Looking forward to this!

articulate

04-18-2006, 01:17 AM

I swiped some photos from hikearizona.com. The canyon looks phenominal:
http://www.markdstephens.com/canyoneering/devils/1.jpg
http://www.markdstephens.com/canyoneering/devils/2.jpg
http://www.markdstephens.com/canyoneering/devils/3.jpg

Notice the person standing in the notch towards the background of this image:
http://www.markdstephens.com/canyoneering/devils/4.jpg

Yow-zah!

articulate

04-18-2006, 01:23 AM

Hey Mark

I am a beginner climber and have only done "Top Roping" at my local rock gym. I am doing the "Moderate" routes now, but that is where i am at.

Will there be routes for my level? If not, no biggie, just curious.

I have my own harness, shoes, 2 carabiners, decending device and such, but thats about it.
That's perfect.

There are several routes in the 5.5 to 5.8 neighborhood. On the canyoneering trek, we'll just have to be able to scramble back up the rappels...they say these are no more difficult than 5.0. But if we're satisfied at the first of several pools, it's a short rap anyway.

Cheers,
Mark

whitethaiger

04-18-2006, 01:44 AM

BajaTaco

04-18-2006, 01:52 AM

Oooohhh man, I have looked at this canyon route before, but now Mark has me drooling all over again. I soooo want to do this. Mark, I can't thank you and Brooke enough for leading us through this. I have harness, shoes (Mad Rock for the walls around camp, Keens for the canyon) and locking carabiner but need to get a descending device. Is there one in particular you recommend? How about the personal anchor - is it something I should get?

That last pic is incredible...

:rappel:

Boston Mangler

04-18-2006, 01:57 AM

That's perfect.

There are several routes in the 5.5 to 5.8 neighborhood. On the canyoneering trek, we'll just have to be able to scramble back up the rappels...they say these are no more difficult than 5.0. But if we're satisfied at the first of several pools, it's a short rap anyway.

Cheers,
Mark

Ha! I have no clue what 5.5 and 5.8 mean. I am guessing the higher the # the harder the climb? Or is it like golf? :D

Yeah, as for an anchor, i am 265lbs! That should be a good enough anchor, no? :D :D :D

articulate

04-18-2006, 01:58 AM

Wow Mark, that looks awesome! Did I mention that I will join you guys? I was able to secure passage in the shotgun seat in the legendary BajaTaco. :bowdown:
I'll fly out to Phoenix where I'll meet up with Chris.

At this point I only have a harness, looks like I should add some gear and maybe check out the local climbing gym:rappel:
Is that so?!

Excellent. Well, as far as the canyon is concerned we aren't doing anything more than what we did last fall. Except the water will be far more pleasant. New gear is unnecessary - I have an assortment of carabiners and rappelling devices that I'm happy to loan out. But I won't stand in the way of good money spent on cool gear. :)

If you want to participate in the top roped climbing near the campsite, climbing shoes are a good idea.

See you there!

Mark

whitethaiger

04-18-2006, 02:10 AM

Man, didn't even post-process last weekends trip and already I can't wait for this one:jumping:

Re gear, sounds like I should look for some shoes. Any recommendations from the experts what to look out for, what's good?
Then, if the adventure budget allows, I can look into the other gear.

articulate

04-18-2006, 02:19 AM

Baja, Boston (hey...look at those place names....)
Sorry about that. The only pertinent thing you should have of your own is the harness. While everyone will need the biner and sling/anchor for the trek, it ain't necessary to purchase. I can supply this stuff to a degree - I have 5 or 6 rapping devices and a pile of slings and anchors. But I know some people like to just have their own goods and not worry about it. So, here is the classic ATC style belay/rap device (the official MarkDStephens.com recommendation):
http://images.rei.com/media/471034Prd.jpg
Less than $20 at REI (http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=979&parent_category_rn=4500695&vcat=searchrefine). For a trip like this, don't bother with something like the Gri-Gri or a "Reverso." You can also use a figure-eight style belay/rap device, and that looks like this:
http://a1072.g.akamai.net/f/1072/2062/1d/gallery.rei.com/media/471098Prd.jpg.

What ever suits your pleasure. :) I have a few of each kind.

An anchor would just be a sling - and they come in four billion lengths, widths, materials and so forth. Again, I've more of these than I can use in my lifetime. They look like this:
http://a1072.g.akamai.net/f/1072/2062/1d/gallery.rei.com/media/709160_350Prd.jpg
and run between $5 and $20 depending. A whole wide world at REI (http://www.rei.com/online/store/Search?storeId=8000&crumb=Original+Search%5E%26link%3D1%26cat%3D450008 1%252C4500089%26query%3D*%7ECords%2C+Slings+and+We bbing%5E%26cat%3D4500089&link=1&cat=4500089&query=*&text=1&group=4&vcat=REI_SSHP_CLIMBING_TOC:N)

Let's see if I can say this more accurately: You'll need your own harness for sure, and I'll have everything else. If you want to purchase your own stuff, check out the items above. :beer:

And WOW! I'm stoked so many of you are doing the canyon. I thought the BajaTaco machine would be driving the trail. :ylsmoke:

articulate

04-18-2006, 02:26 AM

:jumping:
Re gear, sounds like I should look for some shoes. Any recommendations from the experts what to look out for, what's good?
Then, if the adventure budget allows, I can look into the other gear.
HA! the shoes are the expensive part! :ylsmoke: If you're interested in shoes (and I've gone through several pairs), simply just get ones that fit your foot well. They will cost in the neighborhood of $100, so comfort is utmost importance.

If you recall the third grade, we thought cool stripes on the sides of shoes would make you run faster. Remember? Well, no amount of stripes or cool colors will get you up the rock any better, so you may as well be comfy. :xxrotflma. REI markets to the beginner and intermediate climber for sure, so anything they have will be just fine for all mortals.

I hope that helps....?

BajaTaco

04-18-2006, 02:32 AM

Thanks again for all of the good info and details Mark. I think I will pick up the belay device and just mooch a sling from you for now.

I thought the BajaTaco machine would be driving the trail. :ylsmoke:

I will play on some of the trails on the way into camp with Uwe. I think I'll take him through the mini-lions back thingamabob and then up and over that loose hill with the nasty switchbacks... :hehe:

Then we will reserve all day Saturday for some low-range crawling with the tootsies :ylsmoke: and cap it off with a scrumptious dinner at camp and some hefeweisen! :beer:

Boston Mangler

04-18-2006, 02:51 AM

Sounds Great!

Thanks for the info Mark!

I have one of these in my gear http://images.rei.com/media/471034Prd.jpg and i will be bringing it! Hopefully someone can show me how to use it! :D

Only thing i think i need to borrow is an anchor, but i am quite "Husky" so i might not need one! :D

I have only done top roping but am always open to try new stuff as well. I just dont want to be "That Guy" :jump:

brittan

04-18-2006, 03:02 AM

I will bring my rope and extra seats (harness) if we are short. I also have extra belay devices. I have been in the canyon before and everyone will enjoy it. I will be sad to see it go but excited about the new area they are opening up near Aravaipa canyon. Everyone I talk to says it will be the best climbing area in AZ with multiple pitch climbs and amazing views. I just looked for a link for it but can't seem to find it. I will re-post when I find it.
Scott...let me know if you need help with the food. I will do cobbler if its needed and we can use the ovens for breakfast burro's too.
Looking forward to it.

Boston Mangler

04-18-2006, 03:04 AM

I will do cobbler if its needed and we can use the ovens for breakfast burro's too. Looking forward to it.

Cobbler? Needed? :hehe:

BajaTaco

04-18-2006, 03:12 AM

...excited about the new area they are opening up near Aravaipa canyon. Everyone I talk to says it will be the best climbing area in AZ with multiple pitch climbs and amazing views. I just looked for a link for it but can't seem to find it. I will re-post when I find it.

Hey Brittan, I am really glad you are coming on this one. Does the area you are talking about happen to be the area of Tam O'Shanter peak? Also, the Dripping Springs area... here is a press release (http://kyl.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=253248) on it. I have bummed around the Dripping Springs area as a kid, and it is really remote and beautiful.

brittan

04-18-2006, 04:10 AM

Yes it is...Thanks for getting my back.
I am excited. I need to get out before the heat comes on.
See you soon.

Boston Mangler

04-18-2006, 04:41 AM

Speaking of heat, what is the estimated weather for this area this time of year?

Thanks

datrupr

04-18-2006, 02:13 PM

Do we have a leader for the trail run yet? Right now it looks as if only Jeff and I are going to be running the trail, any other takers?

BajaTaco

04-18-2006, 02:25 PM

Speaking of heat, what is the estimated weather for this area this time of year?

Thanks

My guess is that the daytime temps will be in the 80's and overnight in the high 50's to low 60's. There is always a chance for some rain, but probably unlikely and no way to guess until the time comes.

Aaron, I bet Bman will be running the trails with you guys. And it's early on, so there may be others joining by then. I have the trail tracks for the Magellan too, so I can share those with you.

datrupr

04-18-2006, 02:31 PM

Cool Chris, thanks. This area is totally new to me, and I am looking forward to checking it out.

whitethaiger

05-06-2006, 04:05 AM

HA! the shoes are the expensive part! :ylsmoke: If you're interested in shoes (and I've gone through several pairs), simply just get ones that fit your foot well. They will cost in the neighborhood of $100, so comfort is utmost importance.

If you recall the third grade, we thought cool stripes on the sides of shoes would make you run faster. Remember? Well, no amount of stripes or cool colors will get you up the rock any better, so you may as well be comfy. :xxrotflma. REI markets to the beginner and intermediate climber for sure, so anything they have will be just fine for all mortals.

I hope that helps....?

Okay, went over to REI tonight and used the anniversery coupon on some climbing shoes. We'll see how I did after this trip:rappel:

Thanks again for the advice!

BTW, they were quite a bit more than $100 because I took too long and gave my wife too much time to find stuff in the store. She walked out with a much bigger bad than mine:p

Boston Mangler

05-11-2006, 03:27 AM

1.5 weeks to go! Woo Hoo!

Just finished replacing my radiator and installing my aux tank!

I am ready to go!

:camping: :campfire: :rappel:

:jump:

BMAN

05-11-2006, 11:36 PM

I am planning on running the trails. I have never been in the area though so we will be relying on my topos of the area. i need to get to the map store and pick up the right ones. Chris do you have any of the quad names for the area so I get the right maps? Maybe some waypoint coords along the way would even do for me to get the right maps.

I have the CSC Sonic meet on Friday night and haven't yet decided if I will be heading out directly from there (late friday night) or just heading out on early Sat AM (probably do this) so I'm hoping to get some turn off info from one of you that's been out there more than once so that I can meet up with the group w/o major hassles for anyone.

The 60 WILL NOT be ready so I'll be ground tenting it with the 40.

BajaTaco

05-12-2006, 12:45 AM

BMAN, will you be using a GPS? If so, what kind? I might be able to send you some data.

The "Superior (AZ)" topo quad should cover it.

Scott Brady

05-12-2006, 02:13 AM

I can provide a GPS, waypoints and a trail book for the trail. It is a really fun loop, which will challenge the stockers and still allow for some optional challenges to the better built trucks.

CAPTAIN COORS

05-12-2006, 06:15 PM

scott, can we tag along? be a good chance to try out our new tent, water and air equipment, if so we would be there at the 1pm meeting place

Scott Brady

05-13-2006, 02:24 PM

Really looking forward to the weekend, and this little adventure.

Does anyone have a computer projector available? That would be very cool to have for the slide show.

BMAN

05-15-2006, 05:51 AM

Prolly an etrex legend but I have no way of DL-ing to it. I got the waypoints for the campground from the #1 post so I'll be good to go for getting to the site. From there I can figur ethe rest out before Saturday AM.

datrupr

05-15-2006, 02:10 PM

Hate to do it guys, but I am going to have to bail out on this one. I have a few family matters to attend to on Saturday. Have fun though, and I was really looking forward to this trip. Hopefully we will have another one next year.

articulate

05-15-2006, 11:57 PM

Whew! It's a gonna be mighty hot out there.....we'll need to chill the tequila.

I'm getting pretty excited here. But I don't have a computer projector. Although my notebook has a fatty 17" screen.

Marko D.

Boston Mangler

05-16-2006, 12:00 AM

Whew! It's a gonna be mighty hot out there.....we'll need to chill the tequila.

What is the forecast? :sunny:

articulate

05-16-2006, 12:06 AM

What is the forecast? :sunny:
A balmy 96 degrees. I hope the ARB/Engels can keep up with the ice demand in the margaritas.

hint hint!...you expedition fridge-freezer owners.....I take mine on the rocks. How nice that a pun worked itself in there.

Boston Mangler

05-16-2006, 12:41 AM

A balmy 96 degrees. I hope the ARB/Engels can keep up with the ice demand in the margaritas.

hint hint!...you expedition fridge-freezer owners.....I take mine on the rocks. How nice that a pun worked itself in there.

:D Hmmmm 96 Degrees? I guess i shouldnt bring the down bag huh? :D

Damn, didnt someone mentioned it would be around 80?

Never camped in weather this hot, should be interesting! If it really is going to be that hot, the plan to sleep in my rig might be altered due to the fridge running all night! :D

Hope to climb either early in the AM or at dusk, sweaty palms = no beuno!

BajaTaco

05-16-2006, 01:01 AM

Damn, didnt someone mentioned it would be around 80?

That would probably be me, but I said "80's", not around 80 :) - so that could be like... 89.5 and still be "eighties" :p

Yea, you can leave the down at home. But still might get into the high 50's to low 60's in the middle of the night. I think the closest forecast is Superior, and we will be a little higher in elevation - about 3,500 feet or so.

Superior AZ forecast (http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=superior%2C+az)

A margarita sounds good :)

Boston Mangler

05-16-2006, 01:38 AM

That would probably be me, but I said "80's", not around 80 :) - so that could be like... 89.5 and still be "eighties" :p

I know, i was messing around!

Superior AZ forecast (http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=superior%2C+az)

Looks like 96 during the day and 60's at night, should be interesting! Early AM or Dusk climbing might be key here! :D

A margarita sounds good :)

Yup! So good that i just made one! YUMMMM :beer:

brittan

05-16-2006, 02:18 AM

I was out last weekend, not in lower devils, but it was hot everywhere.
I have been thinking of places around there with water...There are a few ponds but they all serve as watering holes for cows and aren't the kind of thing you want to jump into. There may be water at the bottom of the canyon. Lets hope. I don't plan on doing much climbing though.

articulate

05-16-2006, 02:42 AM

Yup! So good that i just made one! YUMMMM :beer:
Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!

Me too! Small world. Good world. See you this weekend.

Scott Brady

05-16-2006, 02:44 AM

Can someone bring some firewood?

Still looking for a projector... My 17" HP will have to work if not :)

Boston Mangler

05-16-2006, 02:45 AM

I wont have much room, but i will pick up a few Small bundles

articulate

05-16-2006, 02:49 AM

I've got a ton of wood. More than happy to bring it along.

Boston Mangler

05-16-2006, 02:51 AM

I've got a ton of wood. More than happy to bring it along.

Cool! Thanks! I will still bring a few small bundles.

:campfire:

BMAN

05-16-2006, 06:06 PM

Scotty,
Since Aaron dropped out, would it be ok if John (Offroader5) comes out with me Sat. AM in his Cherokee? No climbing for us... just crawling.

Scott Brady

05-16-2006, 06:13 PM

you bet BMAN :)

This is going to be a fun weekend!

BMAN

05-16-2006, 06:29 PM

Alright fellas I got all the waypoints and whatnot figured out. Seems to me that the trail in to camp should be easy enough to navigate with what I have so... the plan for me is to be rolling into camp relatively early on Saturday AM, say 7:30 or so. Looking at the topo maps it looks like there is a loop trail into Devils canyon that I'd like to run Saturday morning. Anyone who is planning on the "run" for Saturday pipe up so I have an idea of how many rigs we'll have. That is unless Scotty or Chris have a better idea for a trail. I've never been in the area so I have no real idea of what the loop actually looks like along the lines of dificulty but I am assuming it is passable by the markings on the topo maps.

BMAN

05-16-2006, 09:56 PM

Boston Mangler

05-16-2006, 10:08 PM

;)
Alright fellas I got all the waypoints and whatnot figured out. Seems to me that the trail in to camp should be easy enough to navigate with what I have so... the plan for me is to be rolling into camp relatively early on Saturday AM, say 7:30 or so. Looking at the topo maps it looks like there is a loop trail into Devils canyon that I'd like to run Saturday morning. Anyone who is planning on the "run" for Saturday pipe up so I have an idea of how many rigs we'll have. That is unless Scotty or Chris have a better idea for a trail. I've never been in the area so I have no real idea of what the loop actually looks like along the lines of dificulty but I am assuming it is passable by the markings on the topo maps.

If it is 95+, i would prefer to do some wheeling with the AC on!

Maybe a dawn climb or something before you show and then head out to the trails?

I would like to try to squeeze in a bit of everything.

I am ok with playing it by ear. :camping:

Willman

05-16-2006, 10:23 PM

Link to loop trail I'm thinking about

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=33.278055~-111.038625&style=a&lvl=14&scene=1245286&sp=aN.33.298310_-111.059386_LEAVE%20MAGMA%20MINE%20RD_take%20trail% 20south~aN.33.277687_-111.043561_switchbacks_~aN.33.274960_-111.039913_windmill_~aN.33.276628_-111.031845_campsite_~aN.33.273399_-111.040299_begin%20loop%20here_take%20trail%20SB~a N.33.263550_-111.040235_bear%20east%20at%20Y_take%20east%20leg% 20here~aN.33.270314_-111.027832_enter%20devils%20canyon_take%20trail%20 north~aN.33.280360_-111.029806_west%20bound%20in%20wash_bear%20west%20 here~aN.33.284378_-111.042745_final%20leg%20off%20loop%20trail_southb ound%20out%20of%20wash%20here~aN.33.278117_-111.042080_more%20switchbacks_

Wow......Nice map!!!!! Is that program better than google earth????

Scott Brady

05-16-2006, 10:26 PM

I have never been that route, but it could be fun. I always continue south at 6 and proceed to N33 14.917 W111 02.544 and turn west. Then you fork back north again around N33 14.807 W111 02.963, which will bring you back to the windmill. :rappel:

Scott Brady

05-16-2006, 10:28 PM

BMAN

05-16-2006, 10:39 PM

Wow......Nice map!!!!! Is that program better than google earth????

It's alright... I like Google earth too. This one is nice for creating maps with points of refference. The problem is that you can only put 10 points on any given map. The good thing is that I can bookmark any map I make and use it at a later date for posting up as a link like I did here.

Unfortunately this program does NOT have lat/long coords built in. I use USA Photomaps for mapping out my trips and pulling coords then just get it close with LiveLocal for posting on the net. Kinda a pain to use 2 programs but I've become pretty efficient at it.

USA Photomaps kicks *** because you can switch back and forth between BW pics and USGS topos at any time. The long term plan is to Run USAPM on my laptop with a GPS rec'vr hooked in to live track my progress directly over the BW images and Topos both.

Boston Mangler

05-16-2006, 10:55 PM

Yeah, the schedule is VERY flexible this weekend. Climb if you want, trek if you want, 4wheel if you want, or even say to hell with it all and take a nap.

We will have slide shows at night, and maybe a DVD or two also.

Very Cool!

Question, do i have to worry about a co2 tank in the rig at these temps?

THanks

pskhaat

05-16-2006, 11:03 PM

Yeah, I may have to be with you. I was really looking forward to Friday night but my client from Hong Kong is in town and I very seriously doubt I'll be out of here in time on Fri and may be working Saturday!!!!

:(

whitethaiger

05-16-2006, 11:07 PM

....
USA Photomaps kicks *** because you can switch back and forth between BW pics and USGS topos at any time. The long term plan is to Run USAPM on my laptop with a GPS rec'vr hooked in to live track my progress directly over the BW images and Topos both.

Sounds like that's exactly what I'm doing with OziExplorer. I also can switch to the NASA sat pics and have the 100K, 250K topos also. Sure is fun AND comes in handy when looking for trails. Has helped us on the Nevada Trophy and many other trips.

BMAN

05-16-2006, 11:07 PM

Very Cool!

Question, do i have to worry about a co2 tank in the rig at these temps?

THanks

You should be alright with the tank.

Brian McVickers

05-17-2006, 03:10 AM

I will be unable to attend:mad:

Man, all I want to do is go play. This has been on my calendar since the day it was first posted and now I can't go:mad: :gunt: Sucks if you ask me!
(end rant)

Have fun and take lots of pics!:rappel: :camping:

Scott Brady

05-17-2006, 03:22 AM

We have open slots now if people want to hop in, last minute. Come on out :)

datrupr

05-17-2006, 02:13 PM

This has been on my calendar since the day it was first posted and now I can't go:mad: :gunt:

Same here my man. I know your pain. I was looking forward to this trip since I first heard about it almost a year ago. Then I was one of the first to post up for it, and now I can't go!!!!!!!!:mad: Oh well, I will catch the next one.

BMAN

05-17-2006, 08:25 PM

Sounds like that's exactly what I'm doing with OziExplorer. I also can switch to the NASA sat pics and have the 100K, 250K topos also. Sure is fun AND comes in handy when looking for trails. Has helped us on the Nevada Trophy and many other trips.

My intention has always been to use Ozi for my laptop but since I found usa photomaps (freeware) I've been kinda favoring it. The one thing that Ozi has thet USAPM doesn't have is the night screen option. I haven't yet set up my laptop for either at this point so the setup is still in limbo but as of right now I'm planning the USAPM route.

whitethaiger

05-17-2006, 08:40 PM

...The one thing that Ozi has thet USAPM doesn't have is the night screen option...

Wow, they must have added a lot of stuff to the program. When I looked at it the last time there was no comparision in terms of features. However, if it does all the things you are looking for than the price is a pretty good argument!

BMAN

05-17-2006, 08:53 PM

I guess my statement was misleading. I haven't truely "used" either program yet in the field. So it is not fair of me to make a comparison statement like that. What I meant was that from what little time i have been able to spend with Ozi compared to the long hours I "have" spent with USAPM, one of the cool features that USAPM is lacking, is the red nightscreen. As a freeware USAPM is a powerful tool. I may however be persuaded to buy a full version of Ozi after getting some field time with the program.

Does that make sense?

whitethaiger

05-17-2006, 11:18 PM

....
Does that make sense?
Makes sense

...
I may however be persuaded to buy a full version of Ozi after getting some field time with the program. Just wait until I release my little Ozi add-on. It's being beta tested right now:ylsmoke:

BajaTaco

05-17-2006, 11:57 PM

Makes sense

Just wait until I release my little Ozi add-on. It's being beta tested right now:ylsmoke:

Tease.

C'mon, what is it?

Scott Brady

05-19-2006, 01:13 AM

CB Channel 4
2M 146.460

Boston Mangler

05-19-2006, 01:34 AM

CB Channel 4
2M 146.460

Copy That!

Less then 12 hours to my departure!

:camping: :campfire: :rappel: :chowtime:

:clapsmile

BajaTaco

05-19-2006, 06:22 AM

Link to loop trail I'm thinking about

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=33.278055~-111.038625&style=a&lvl=14&scene=1245286&sp=aN.33.298310_-111.059386_LEAVE%20MAGMA%20MINE%20RD_take%20trail% 20south~aN.33.277687_-111.043561_switchbacks_~aN.33.274960_-111.039913_windmill_~aN.33.276628_-111.031845_campsite_~aN.33.273399_-111.040299_begin%20loop%20here_take%20trail%20SB~a N.33.263550_-111.040235_bear%20east%20at%20Y_take%20east%20leg% 20here~aN.33.270314_-111.027832_enter%20devils%20canyon_take%20trail%20 north~aN.33.280360_-111.029806_west%20bound%20in%20wash_bear%20west%20 here~aN.33.284378_-111.042745_final%20leg%20off%20loop%20trail_southb ound%20out%20of%20wash%20here~aN.33.278117_-111.042080_more%20switchbacks_

BMAN, I finally had a chance to take a look at this. I'm not too sure about the part of your loop between 6, 7, 8 & 9. I think this is actually in Devil's canyon and some of the side canyons. And I don't think there are any driveable trails down in there (?) I haven't been down in there yet myself, so not sure.