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Dave Bennett
11-25-2011, 08:46 PM
I have approx. 50K on a set of BFG MT KM's... they have been a GREAT tire. Looking at my next possible set of KM2's has made me think... do I really need a MT? Like most, I do spend most of my time on road but when I am on the trail it is usually rocky desert and very unforgiving here.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/_MG_1977.jpg

AT tires have no 255/85R16 option that I am aware of (my favorite size) which would leave me with 285/75R16's.

BFG AT's seem way overpriced ( I was quote $279 today for a 285 BFG AT... the 255 KM2 was quoted at $216...)

Bridgestone Revo2's seem solid and have a cult following. $220-ish per tire seems normal.

My experience with Goodyear has been that they are great but wear way too fast. I need max life out of 1K+ worth of tires!

Stay with the tried and true BFG MT or... ?

seanz0rz
11-25-2011, 09:01 PM
i love my bfg AT, ill be buying another set of 285/75r16 when mine finally die. they are at 45k+ and still have some life left.

they used to have a 255/85r16, i dont know exactly what happened to it.

where was that quote from? ive been looking at america's/discount tire. they are 225 ish a piece. i know its more than most other tires, but i firmly believe you get what you pay for on this one.

also, remember, you can probably haggle them a bit. people just arent laying down over a grand on tires all the time. always worth a try, especially if you are a long time customer.


wow, i just looked and they want 280 a tire... they really went up the last month, i looked 4 weeks ago. if you can find a decent price on them, my vote still stands. otherwise i think the KM2 is a great tire. i cant believe it's cheaper than the AT. maybe a new AT is coming?

squatch
11-25-2011, 09:29 PM
I voted other. Cooper ST. Have had them long enough to know I will get another set. You see them on a lot of rigs up here. All my friends that have them also like em. My .02

Mc Taco
11-25-2011, 09:31 PM
Just put BFG ATs on my truck again. Was contemplating the BFG MTs, but as I re-watched "Long Way Down" I saw that they used the ATs for the support vehicles. Probably not the best reasoning, but I have always had good luck with the ATs in the past. 265/75R16 at $198 ea. Smaller tire I know. Load range E with the mountain and snow flake thingy.

jim65wagon
11-25-2011, 10:08 PM
I voted other, either:
The Cooper ST, which you can get (for now) in the 255/85/16 and is a great long wearing go anywhere agressive AT.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2236/2385297253_7be16bb013_m.jpg
or
The Cooper ST Maxx, which you can get in a 285/75/16, great aggressive AT style tread, quiet on long road trips, and I'm working on seeing how well they wear. So far with 10,000 miles I'm not seeing anything significant......
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5145/5617427376_37d205e6b9_m.jpg

upcountry
11-25-2011, 11:17 PM
Remember you may need to get new wheels if you go with the wider tire size. Rubbing the uca is an issue. 4.5 backspace fixes this. But, new wheels are expensive. While spacers are nice offroad.....not sure I would tust them at 70 mph for 6 hours on the freeway. Plus, not one spacer manufacturer recomends their product for use on road......hmmmmm.....

CA-RJ
11-26-2011, 12:40 AM
Onlinetires.com lists 285/75-16 BFG AT's at $192.49 each. Print out the page and take it to Americas Tire and they will match that price.

Redline, our resident tire expert has run the Dick Cepek Fun Country 2's with success. You might take a look at those as well.

keezer37
11-26-2011, 01:08 AM
I've had the Revo IIs for 20k now. I'm starting to wonder about how much wear I'll get out of them. Looking at Tire Racks survey results supports this also. They are a fine all around tire. It seems that I am seeing this particular tread design in more tires.

I wore out the O.E. Dunlops in San Diego and did a good bit of off roading on them. No problems even in the occasional mud. I'm moving away from aggressive looking tires and putting road safety first.

Stick Figure
11-26-2011, 01:15 AM
I just moved away from the BFG's because of the price. In the 267/75/17 size I'm running they wanted $250 each for them so I decided to try out the Falken Wild Peaks (Rocky Mountain if you buy from discount tire). I ended paying $160 each out the door for the E load range. I took them out to Heartbreak ridge for a test run and was super happy with them. They did well on Cleghorn last weekend as well. Only real downsides for me so far are the load ranges available in my size. The two options I had were 13/32 tread depth 2 ply sidewall or 17/32nd tread depth with a 10ply. I went 10 ply, and they are noticeably stiffer feeling than my BFG AT's (C load range) ever were. Only other downside has been not having that "cool aggressive BFG look".

Otherwise good traction, 50k warranty, 1/32nd more tread depth new than the BFG AT's in my size, and I could have bought 5 for the price of 4 BFG's.

theicecreampeople
11-26-2011, 01:20 AM
I've always been a bfg guy ,put them on all my rigs ,but when i got the fj i researched ,and went with goodyear duratracs..they have been great tires

Dave Bennett
11-26-2011, 02:37 AM
Onlinetires.com lists 285/75-16 BFG AT's at $192.49 each. Print out the page and take it to Americas Tire and they will match that price.

Redline, our resident tire expert has run the Dick Cepek Fun Country 2's with success. You might take a look at those as well.

Will 285's work with stock TRD wheels?

CA-RJ
11-26-2011, 03:04 AM
I am not sure. I know on the last generation of Tacoma/4Runner, they would rub the upper control arm with stock wheels. Maybe someone can comment on that regarding the newer generation. A 285/75-16 BFG KM2 has a 1.9" wider tread width than a 255/86/16. How much room do you have between the tire and the UCA now?


Will 285's work with stock TRD wheels?

Trail100
11-26-2011, 03:06 AM
I live in an area where mail order is generally cheapest, and have found that if you call an online dealer like www.tirerack.com or www.discounttiredirect.com and get a quote from an actual person and give them the "Ok, thanks I'll look around more" they will work with you a bit on price or shipping depending on who you get.

WASURF63
11-26-2011, 03:58 AM
Other >>> 255/85/16 Toyo MT.

Similar tread to your BFG MT with MUCH better road manners, and you could keep your stock rims. IMHO it seems to be a great hybrid (AT/MT) tire.

upcountry
11-26-2011, 06:46 AM
No. You can not run a 285 on a stock wheel. It will rub on the UCA. I tried it and found I had to go with a different wheel. I run 285/70/17s and have a wheel with 4.5 backspace. If I were to do it over I would stick wjth the stock wheels and run 255s. That's my $0.02.

jim65wagon
11-26-2011, 07:40 AM
'Doc has ICON (I think) UCA's. Does this change the fitment of the stock wheel/285 tire?
Is the aftermarket control arm different enough in shape that it won't rub?
.
If the ICON uca let's a 285 tire fit with a stock wheel then it opens up a whole bunch of different tire options over the 255's

keezer37
11-26-2011, 10:50 AM
'Doc has ICON (I think) UCA's. Does this change the fitment of the stock wheel/285 tire?
Is the aftermarket control arm different enough in shape that it won't rub?
.
If the ICON uca let's a 285 tire fit with a stock wheel them it opens up a whole bunch of different tire options over the 255's

The extended post of aftermarket UCAs moves the arm higher, possibly into the meatier part of the sidewall. One way to know for sure is with the all telling eye.

STREGA
11-26-2011, 11:58 AM
I replaced my 265/75-16 BFG KO's which were OEM tire on the FJ Cruiser with 255/85 KM2's and I'am happy with them. Offroad performance is better in all situations and on road is almost as good except in snow/ice conditions where the KM2's are scary at best, I now have a 2nd set of Big O AT's for on road/winter/light offroad use.

With my FJ pushing the GVWR, the KM2's handle the weight better than the KO's or Big O AT's. I also have no rubbing issues (running OME lift) and no need to replace wheels. Lost about 1 mpg with KM2's, gained a little ground clearance and some weight. I have about 10k on them so far and think they should go at least 40k.

phsycle
11-26-2011, 12:21 PM
I wish BFG KO's came in 255/85's.

Vegakat
11-26-2011, 01:53 PM
Doc, I have had the BFG ATs on my F150 in 285 and now I have the Goodyear DuraTracs in 285 and I love them. They are pretty quiet for an aggressive tire. I have about 20k on them and they are wearing great. I think I will have no problems getting another 30k on them. Being a load range E tire they handle the extra weight well, I pull my travel trailer with them with no problems.

The BFGs I had were great as well, and wore well but I have had problems with dry rot. I have seen this problem with several of my friends BFGs as well. Not sure if anyone else has had this problem with BFGs.

For my .02 I would give the Goodyear Duratracs a close look.

Great looking truck by the way!

upcountry
11-26-2011, 02:49 PM
I have an afternarket UCA....Light Racing made by SPC. Rubbing on the UCA is still an issue even with the aftermarket setup. Not sure about the ICONS but their geometry is similar to the Light Racing setup. In my opinion due to the cam setup on the Ljght Racing UCA as opposed to the uniball on the ICON setup I feel the Lkght racing setjp offers more space from the tire profile.

Would be interested to see how this pans out!

OldSven
11-26-2011, 03:33 PM
I went from MT's to my Hankook Dynapro ATm's and they are awsome tires. Very quiet on the road, deep AT lugs so far have been great in the snow, and E rated so they are pretty strong too. MT's still look cooler but I think I'm finally an AT guy for all of the overall benefits and the road manners of them.

Rocket-scientist
11-26-2011, 03:39 PM
I'm biased since I just put a set of 255 85R16 KM2's on last weekend. So far I really like this tire. It handles fine on the 5 on the way to work in the morning and looks really scary :)

I thought about the AT but issues with fitting the 285 scared me off. And I am cheap so I didn't want to buy new wheels.

I got mine at America's Tire in Mission Viejo for $202 each with a $50 gift card from BFG and a $50 dollar instant discount for a sale they were doing. So $182 per after the take offs...

ETAV8R
11-28-2011, 08:04 AM
Other: General Grabber AT/2s. Love mine so far and have done quite a bit off road with them. I've only heard good things about them.

Applejack
11-28-2011, 11:36 AM
If you must have one of the 3 I would have voted for the KM2's. I don't know what it is but the usable life of a MT seems to be longer than an AT when used a lot off road. Maybe the siping leads to an early breakdown. I've been a BFG guy for many years but have never been afraid to try something new. My new love are the Goodyear Duratracs E range tires. BRILLIANT!!! but no word of a lie here I wish that BFG was stamped on their carcass and not GY, but it is what it is, as they say.
You probably carry more weight than I do in my 3rd gen 4RNR, but for what it's worth I've now got 13k on my tires and have very little wear on them.
As long as they keep going like they are now, I am sad to say that my allegiance to BFG has diminished. Or is it that their allegiance to me has diminished? Hmmmm..........

DblD
11-28-2011, 12:10 PM
http://pics.montypics.com/dblddbld/2011-10-03/1317672831_pa030036.jpg

Another vote for the Cooper Discoverer S/T. Iíve had a set of 265/75ís on for about 42,000 miles and Iíd say they are good for another 35 to 40,000. That is if I donít get the 255 itch and upgrade before then. If/when I do step up to a 255, it will be another set of Discoverer S/Tís
dd

1911
11-28-2011, 12:23 PM
I have set of KM2's on one of my Toyota 4WD trucks and like them quite well so far, but for high mileage and toughness nothing has ever beat the Toyo Open Country MT's on my FJC. The downside is, they are very heavy and killed my gas mileage by several mpg. And the sidewall is very stiff (E-rated tire) when you air down.

Redline
11-28-2011, 04:42 PM
So many tires, so little money or time to wear them out... ;)

Lots of options, as usual the answer depends.


1) IF you are going to stay with a 255/85 I would vote KM2. Easy.

Though I've had KM2s and didn't keep them, and I like the Cooper S/T, I think the KM2 is generally a more rugged tire with much better sidewall protection/lugs. Also more available.

I understand your 255/85 decision may be forced by clearance concerns and wheels. Surely you can run a 285 on a 7in wheel, but it's not ideal, and maybe control arm clearance is a problem? 255/85 on a 7-inch wheel 'IS' ideal.

255/85 will cost less, and MPG will be better. Depending on where you buy, 255/85 KM2 will cost much less than Toyo MT, and the Toyos are SO stiff you'll have to let more air out to get the same ride & traction.

2) If you open Pandora's Box going with a 285/75, you'll have too many choices...

My favorite remains the F-C II, though I'm always flirting with new girls.

Cooper S/T Maxx was suggested and is also a good option. The Maxx is a bit quieter than the FCII, also firmer, a stout LR E tire with tough sidewalls if that's what you want.

My Tundra drifts right with the S/T Maxx, but that seems to be a problem for me with my lifted Toyotas, can't blame all the tires, just haven't been able to figure it out.

Dave Bennett
11-28-2011, 04:59 PM
My Tundra drifts right with the S/T Maxx, but that seems to be a problem for me with my lifted Toyotas, can't blame all the tires, just haven't been able to figure it out.


Thanks for the sage advice James. When you say "drifts right" do you mean pulls right? I just had an alignment and now the truck will change lanes to the right on the freeway if I let it... not bad but just enough drift to annoy me. I wonder if new, balanced tires will correct this or does it need to go back to the alignment shop?

Petrolburner
11-28-2011, 08:17 PM
Other.

https://www.treadwright.com/p-55-285-75r16-guard-dog-m-t-d.aspx

$124 per tire plus shipping. $134 with Kedge grip which is what I have and what I would recommend if you drive in snow or ice. Or you could get them sipped for the snow and ice.

76624

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Ask for Goodyear MTR cases and not many will know the difference, if it matters to you. I've put about 15k miles on mine and I love them on all surfaces, from Florida sand and mud, to Arizona desert to Central Oregon's snow gravel and cinder.

JCMatthews
11-28-2011, 08:20 PM
I have rarely needed a mud tire. I tried two different brands with similar mileage wear time. I was not impressed with how few miles I could get out of a set. I do love my BFG ATs, and am shocked by the quote you were given. Find a Big O, the AT is always less than the MT. I have the 265 75 17 I believe, and only paid around 200.00 for them in June. Best of luck.

Redline
11-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Thanks for the sage advice James. When you say "drifts right" do you mean pulls right? I just had an alignment and now the truck will change lanes to the right on the freeway if I let it... not bad but just enough drift to annoy me. I wonder if new, balanced tires will correct this or does it need to go back to the alignment shop?

Some/much of this is in one of the other tire threads, but so I/you don't have to go digging for it...

Yes, I do mean pulls right, just said 'drift' because people have different opinions about what constitutes a pull vs. a drift. To me it's mostly the same, if I can't release the steering wheel for several seconds on good road then it's pulling/drifting and needs fixing. In the case of of S/T Maxx, depending on the crown of the road, the truck will be leaving my lane in about 4-5 seconds.

Why did you get an alignment?

Routine maintenance or because of drivability? Most people won't pay for an alignment unless the car is pulling badly. But it's a good idea after new tires to make sure settings are correct and the new tires will not wear prematurely and/or to change the settings to meet the needs of the new treads.

I don't think new tires will fix your pull if it started immediately after the alignment. There are a range of settings that are acceptable, something was changed that doesn't agree with your current set-up, most likely caster, but camber can change how it drives too. If the tires were rotated at the same time, you need to eliminate worn tires as the cause of the pull.

You need to know

The before and after settings of the current alignment. Hopefully they gave you a printout, if not, start going somewhere that will. If you are picky about how well your truck drives (as am I) then you may need to find a shop with a good tech that understands the changes you have made, will listen to you, and adjust for your set-up and how you want it to drive. Some places will just tell you it's within spec, won't test drive it, and don't care. If the settings before were within spec and you didn't have alignment induced tire wear, and it drove well, you want to go back to those settings for the same tires.

Caster angle is generally what changes the pull/drift the most, and for the typical crown of the road, up to 1/2-degree of cross-caster is common. For example: 2.0-degrees positive caster on the left with 2.5-degrees on the right. This steers the car to the left, helping counteract road crown and/or tire pulling.

Tires/tread matter

Some will need more cross-caster, some less. Maxxis Bighorn 255/85 worked great with 1/2-degree cross-caster. Then with Cepek FCII 285s on the 4Runner I needed +0.9*, and even a little more was better (spec is for a maximum of +0.75*, your truck is probably similar). I ran it like this for a couple years on FCII, worked great. Recently pulled the FCII and put Dick Cepek Mud Country on. Same car, same wheels, same 285/75R16 size, but with higher-void tires... car drifted left with the +0.9* cross-caster, and needed to go back to only +0.5*, drives straight again.

Even with extreme cross-caster on my 4Runner, I can't get the car not to pull to the right with Toyos, so I can't/won't run them.

The Tundra has 17" 285 FCII, +0.9* wasn't enough, changed it recently to +1.2* cross-caster, drives straight/nice. Though even with this HIGH cross-caster is still goes right with the S/T Maxx.

shane4x4
11-28-2011, 10:11 PM
I love the Nitto Trail Grappler. It's a great mix of M/T and A/T, with a slant toward more aggressive for sure. They've worn well (so far) and work great in all conditions. A little pricey, but very worth it!
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/tires/nitto/product/submitProductSize.do?pc=40574&tmn=Trail+Grappler+M%2FT&typ=Truck%2FSUV

FLYFISHEXPERT
11-28-2011, 10:11 PM
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NUC0ylgwMFg/Tr6tMRxRebI/AAAAAAAAEYk/uCWdouJf9DI/s640/DSC_9307.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0XApol7C7hU/Tm9Ho2KpBbI/AAAAAAAAD-c/n5PeMQpxb-4/s640/DSC_6873.jpg

I too have the Guard Dogs, in 265/75R16. I have put about 8-9K on them and have been happy with how they have done. We recently put ~2500 miles on them during our Four Corners trip and they handled both the highway and dirt travel very well. They are LOUD, but I don't mind. They are also larger than standard, my 265's are about half way between a standard 265 and 285. I must disclose though that Treadwright is a sponsor of our blog.

Prior to the Guard Dogs, I ran a set of Cooper S/T's and they were great until the end. The tire shop just could not get them to balance. They handled the snow and ice well, were great in the rain, and never had an issue with them on dirt roads.

TEJASYOTA
11-28-2011, 10:27 PM
I have heard that the KM2s are not performing well... and the Goodyear MT Kevlars are on a national backorder for at least 6 weeks.
So I opted for the Goodyear DuraTrac (285/75 R16).
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z178/z3power/Yota%20Wheels-Tires/IMG_0053.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z178/z3power/Yota%20Wheels-Tires/GYDuraTrac-Sideview.jpg

I just mounted them during the Thanksgiving break... so I have zero real experience with them.
But what I have read, they are great tires... same if not better than the AT's from BFG.

Tim A
11-28-2011, 11:34 PM
I voted "other" and say give Cooper STs a try. No personal experience but you'll need different wheels in order to run the 285s. If you don't need the KM2s then Coopers are a good option.

nwoods
11-28-2011, 11:35 PM
I had the Revo's on my Armada. No comparison to the rest of the tires discussed. They are a street tire, and did not wear very well at that. Currently running the new BFG mildly lugged "Rugged Terrain" tire: http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/tire-selector/name/rugged-terrain-t-a-tires

They've been decent so far, but only have about 7k miles on them.

I really like the Cooper Zeon LTZ's if you are looking at AT's. I LOVED my KM2's on my Jeep. They were great on the road, and fabulous on the trail, but not too good in the snow. They wore very well, and never chunked out, unlike my old Nittos and ProComp's.

nwoods
11-28-2011, 11:38 PM
I love the Nitto Trail Grappler. It's a great mix of M/T and A/T, with a slant toward more aggressive for sure. They've worn well (so far) and work great in all conditions. A little pricey, but very worth it!
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/tires/nitto/product/submitProductSize.do?pc=40574&tmn=Trail+Grappler+M%2FT&typ=Truck%2FSUV

The Cooper Zeon LTZ is a very comparable, and better performing tire than the Nitto. I have a lot of time and experience on both, in a 6,000 lbs vehicle that was frequently off roaded here in Socal, and was my daily driver as well (25,000 miles a year). I do not reccommend the Nitto. There are better tires for your money. Even the Hankooks are better than the Nitto in my experience.

dodecagon2000
11-29-2011, 12:27 AM
[QUOTE
Another vote for the Cooper Discoverer S/T. Iíve had a set of 265/75ís on for about 42,000 miles and Iíd say they are good for another 35 to 40,000. That is if I donít get the 255 itch and upgrade before then. If/when I do step up to a 255, it will be another set of Discoverer S/Tís
dd[/QUOTE]

I dont know how you get such insane mileage on your discoverer st , but for what ever its worth i have the third set on and i have 81k on the truck, and i am 100% sure im totally done with coopers. Not a good tire imho

austintaco
11-29-2011, 12:40 AM
Just a general comment about my experience with my Coopers. I bought a set of 255/85/16 on ebay from a respected seller with a high rating. The tires were blemishes, but were guaranteed to be only cosmetic. However, I have had a really hard time getting them to balance. The first issue was not the tires, but a lug nut mismatch, but after that was corrected I always get a vibration at about 60-65. It does smooth out after about 65, but that forces me to go faster than I might like to go at that time.

They do handle well in most conditions, but I have not had them in snow.

I had Nitto Terra Grapples in 265/75/16 prior these, and I loved these tires for price/looks/handling. They were an all around great tire and at 25k, still had plenty of tread left. However, I found the Coopers and went with them b/c I wanted that size. If Nitto made a 255/85/16, I would be all over them.

Finally, I have BFG KM1 in a 35 x 12.5 x 15 on my 4runner, and though they are getting old (almost 10 years), they still ride great with no vibrations! These tires are beat up, with a chunk or two missing, but still ride better than my Coopers.

My next tire, for my 4runner will be 255/85/16 KM2's, and I will probably get the same for my Tacoma.

Lostmanifesto
11-29-2011, 12:53 AM
I used to favor the BFG ATKO but the past few years I keep returning to BFG MT KM2. Simply love this tire.

NothingClever
11-29-2011, 02:40 AM
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5145/5617427376_37d205e6b9_m.jpg

Hmm...that tire looks to be the bee's knees. Siping for the wet. Big blocks for the soggy. Load range E for the weight / low pressure. Studdable if you're in heavy snow country. Me likey.

Dave Bennett
11-29-2011, 03:06 AM
Hmm...that tire looks to be the bee's knees. Siping for the wet. Big blocks for the soggy. Load range E for the weight / low pressure. Studdable if you're in heavy snow country. Me likey.

Yep. But no 255 option...

Howski
11-29-2011, 01:54 PM
not on your list but i'd go with the GY duratrac/ kelly safari tsr. i have the kelly's and they're great. flex incredibly well, do not chunk and are no louder than my previous a/t's. the kelly's have more siping than the duratrac but besides that they are essentially the same aside from being about $30 less per tire

McFly2003
11-29-2011, 02:55 PM
I am running GY duratracs and I can't think of one negative to give you. They are great on road, and off road...I have tried everything short of deep mud bogs and [U]extreme[U] rock crawling and they just keep going. They bite extremely well in just about everything. Until now, I have never been one for goodyears, but I am officially a believer

FLYFISHEXPERT
11-29-2011, 03:11 PM
I dont know how you get such insane mileage on your discoverer st , but for what ever its worth i have the third set on and i have 81k on the truck, and i am 100% sure im totally done with coopers. Not a good tire imho

I had ~45k on my S/T's (265/75R16 in load range C) when I replaced them in August.

zolo
11-29-2011, 04:35 PM
Cooper Discover ST has it all
great siping
Large tread blocks
stud-able
high load rating
and they come in 255/85-16.
They last a long time, there is really nothing else to consider. Its a great tire.

Dave Bennett
11-29-2011, 05:31 PM
Well it's come down to the KM2's or the Cooper ST in a 255... decisions decisions...

CA-RJ
11-29-2011, 05:40 PM
Try something different, get the Coopers.

Dave Bennett
11-29-2011, 06:34 PM
Try something different, get the Coopers.

Tempting...

Petrolburner
11-29-2011, 07:25 PM
I too have the Guard Dogs, in 265/75R16. I have put about 8-9K on them and have been happy with how they have done. We recently put ~2500 miles on them during our Four Corners trip and they handled both the highway and dirt travel very well. They are LOUD, but I don't mind. They are also larger than standard, my 265's are about half way between a standard 265 and 285. I must disclose though that Treadwright is a sponsor of our blog.

Prior to the Guard Dogs, I ran a set of Cooper S/T's and they were great until the end. The tire shop just could not get them to balance. They handled the snow and ice well, were great in the rain, and never had an issue with them on dirt roads.

I think mud tires, or any large diameter tire suck to balance. I've been very happy with my dyna beads. They get twice the leverage by being at the outside of the tires as opposed to the inside on the rim. They also help balance side to side. And as the tire wears they are continually rebalancing.

Another important point for the Treadwright tires is this, what do you prefer, newer tires or worn down high mileage tires? For the price, you can replace the treadwrights once they're 3/4s of the way gone instead of running them bald just to get that $1000 worth of use out of them. Regardless of tread pattern, worn out rubber is less desirable. :smiley_drive:

gfiero
11-29-2011, 07:31 PM
If you want the AT's price tham at American tire, they were the cheapest when I bought mine, less than $200.00 each installed

Pikeman
11-29-2011, 09:45 PM
I also went with the Falken Wild Peaks in 285/75/16 Load Range "D" @ $160 each. I have had them on Gold Mountain, Heart Break ridge, Calico Ghost town with no chunking or signs of wear. They are a fairly new tire and time will tell if they live up to the 50k warranty. They replaced a set of neglected(never rotated) Nitto Terra Grapplers in same size load range that went 58k. Now on the aftermarket UCA's if it is a Uniball design they do not have as much material sticking out past the post and provide a lot more clearance than the factory UCA. I am running stock wheels with 285's and aftermarket Uniball UCA and no rubbing issues. Personally if I could afford the KM2's in a 255/85 size I would have gone that but reality is I average 25-30k a year on my 4 Runner and an AT that performs well and is lower price range is what I need to stick with on my vehicle.

jim65wagon
11-29-2011, 09:56 PM
Before I got the 285 series ST Maxx on the Tundra, I ran through 2 sets of ST's in the 255/85/16s. The first set went 50,000 miles and the second set went 40,000 (due to alignment issues with the truck, no fault of the tire). Trouble free daily driven miles (rain, snow, dry pavement), and lots of sandy beach time, gravel forest roads and muddy two-tracks. Truck always tracked straight, got decent mpg's, and went everywhere we needed it to go.

as far as the sidewall, yes it is soft and flexible, and that flex requires you to find your ideal tire pressure as a daily driver; but it is tough. mine had minor cuts along the sidewall and there was the one day I was moving mulch in the yard....I was parallel with a 8" diameter tree trunk that was lying in my path. I needed to have truck where the tree trunk was so I just eased the front tire up on what I thought was the trunk. Nope, it was a stubbed off branch, the sidewall was sitting on this stub, tire off the ground. I very carefully eased off of it thinking I would ruin the tire; all it wound up with was a little tear in the rubber that let the white show through.....

Falkon
11-29-2011, 10:36 PM
I've had Cooper Zeon LTZ's for around 35k. I drive 80 miles a day hiway and they have good hiway manners. Never had any planing or slippage in the rain. Cruised comfortably in the ice storm that closed down Atlanta for a week last year. Pulled 2 out, even rambled around the FS service roads on the ice without an issue. I have taken them through plenty of.mud too.

I am having issues getting them balanced now however. I've been buying Coopers for years now and have been pretty happy with them, they used to be an economical option...

I would not hesitate to recommend one of their offerings.

Dave Bennett
11-29-2011, 11:13 PM
Thanks for all the replies gents, great thread.

Today I made the decision...














... New BFG MT KM2's in 255/85R16 going on as I type.

I almost went with the Cooper ST's and may still but for now I felt good about buying these

*Edit: Paid $200 per tire OTD at Americas Tire 11/29/11

PirateMcGee
11-30-2011, 01:40 AM
I usually go with tirerack.com btw might check them out as their prices are generally the lowest around.
I have been really happy with my General Grabber At2's $175 each at tire rack in you second choice size. The only tire I could find in your first choice the the Km2
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?customSizeSearch=&width=285%2F&ratio=75&diameter=16

McFly2003
11-30-2011, 04:05 AM
tirerack is a great, but I have found discounttire.com to be cheaper. plus, they tend to ship for free :)

Redline
11-30-2011, 04:20 AM
snip...

... New BFG MT KM2's in 255/85R16 going on as I type.

I almost went with the Cooper ST's and may still but for now I felt good about buying these

*Edit: Paid $200 per tire OTD at Americas Tire 11/29/11

That's a fantastic price! Post pics with a close up of the new knobbies.

I'm tempted to try a set of 255/80R17s KM2s on the Tundra. ;) The ONLY 255/80 tire I'm aware of.

PirateMcGee
11-30-2011, 04:53 AM
tirerack is a great, but I have found discounttire.com to be cheaper. plus, they tend to ship for free :)

ooooo thanks for the info!

capdaddy222
11-30-2011, 01:12 PM
Treadwright Guard Dogs in 265/75/16 with kedge grip.

I have about 10k on them, they are wearing well. For the price and performance they cant be beat. I will be replacing them with the same when it is time.

They are loud, but it isnt bad in the FJ.

I was on a trip from VA to WV on US rt 33 last Christmas during a snowstorm. If anyone knows that route, they know that is a scenic hair raising trip even in good conditions. In the snow/whiteout that night, there were times when i had to turn my lights off and drive by the parking lights (i know, i know, but I had to get home for the holidays). The tires performed so well during that trip in the sleet/snow/ice that I made my mind up that they were going to be my go-to tire from now on.

capdaddy

Rocket-scientist
11-30-2011, 01:45 PM
Well it's come down to the KM2's or the Cooper ST in a 255... decisions decisions...

Too bad it looks like cooper is discontinuing the ST according to their website. That's what made me go with the KM2.

cnynrat
11-30-2011, 01:48 PM
Thanks for all the replies gents, great thread.

Today I made the decision...

... New BFG MT KM2's in 255/85R16 going on as I type.

I almost went with the Cooper ST's and may still but for now I felt good about buying these

*Edit: Paid $200 per tire OTD at Americas Tire 11/29/11

I think you'll like them. I have about 25-26k miles on ours, and still have quite a bit of tread left. They have pretty good road manners for an MT tire. While they are reasonably quiet when new, I am finding that as the tread wears down they get a bit noisier, but still not terribly objectionable. Pretty sure I will buy another set when the time comes.

austintaco
11-30-2011, 02:33 PM
Great price on the BFG's. We can't get Big O tires in Austin, but Maxxis makes 4 tires in the 255/85/16 size. Anyone have real wold experience on any of these? What's their true size? performance? It also looks like one is an actual all terrain tire.

http://www.maxxis.com/Products/Product-Search-Results.aspx?divisionSearch=/AutomobileLight-Truck.aspx&searchType=2&sectionWidth=255&rimDiameter=16&aspectRatio=85&pageRef=344

FLYFISHEXPERT
11-30-2011, 05:28 PM
Too bad it looks like cooper is discontinuing the ST according to their website. That's what made me go with the KM2.

I recently talked with the local tire shop that sells Coopers, and they said the S/T is being replaced with the S/T MAXX for everything accept the 255/85R16 and a couple other tall/skinny tires.

jim65wagon
11-30-2011, 08:35 PM
Now if they'd just make the ST Maxx in 255/85, I'd be right there! Hear me Cooper?!

FLYFISHEXPERT
11-30-2011, 09:01 PM
Now if they'd just make the ST Maxx in 255/85, I'd be right there! Hear me Cooper?!

Now if they'd just make the Guard Dogs in 255/85...Hear me TreadWright!

xjaugie
11-30-2011, 09:36 PM
I've had my duratracs for a few months now and have taken 400 mile trips dug in the mud and rode the sandy beach so for so good. It was a big deal for me to give up on running the standard BFG MTs but went looking for a quieter on road ride and better road performance without giving up totally on driving in the mud since I'm on the east coast I'm dealing with mud of some kind most of the time. I hope you like yours as much as I like mine. So I guess my vote would be for the duratracs.



I have heard that the KM2s are not performing well... and the Goodyear MT Kevlars are on a national backorder for at least 6 weeks.
So I opted for the Goodyear DuraTrac (285/75 R16).
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z178/z3power/Yota%20Wheels-Tires/IMG_0053.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z178/z3power/Yota%20Wheels-Tires/GYDuraTrac-Sideview.jpg

I just mounted them during the Thanksgiving break... so I have zero real experience with them.
But what I have read, they are great tires... same if not better than the AT's from BFG.

Runt
12-03-2011, 03:47 PM
I have the fortune of being able to try many types of tires due to my work in Forestry. We had the shop manager put Goodyear Duratracks on one of the diesel crew cabs and Kelly Safari TSR's on another one of the GMC Diesel Crewcabs. Ran them for a summer and compared. The Best tire we have found for the dollar is the Kelly Safari TSR - less expensive then any tire posted here and aggresive all terrain tire. Has the sizes you want, lots of sipping, drilled for studs, side wall grippers, open block design but quite on the highway (not sure how they did that). Can be purchased at any Fountain Tire as Kelly Tires is a Goodyear company.

http://www.kellytires.com/cfmx/web/kellytiresel/details.cfm?product=316

The second best tire we found compared to any thing else was the Dura Tracks. Second simply due to how quick they wear and the amount of flats that occured compared to the Safari TSR. Both seem to be equal in the mud possibly a slight advatage to the Duratrack due to the more open block on the outer edge of the tires. So in the end I run Goodyear Duratracks on my Cruiser in the winter (Extra line of studs down the center) and studded Kelly Safri TSR's on my Tacoma work truck in the winter.

Either one will make you happy. We switched to the Kelly Safari TSR over the Duratrack due to % 35 less per tire, a easy 15,000 km's more per tire tread life & less flats.....way less flats. The Duratrack though I feal is a better winter tire when studded then the Safri TSR. Summer time I run 35" tall BFG MT's on the Tacoma & Cruiser.

gr8wrk
12-05-2011, 09:42 PM
I run 285/75-16 MTs on stock '09 Tacoma TRD rims. About 5 1/4" backspace I think. They definitely rub on the UCAs, and I have Camburg UCAs. To get enough clearance I run 1 1/4" Spidertrax spacers. Zero trouble with the spacers under any circumstances, even highway.

I recently bought a set of these rims off an '02 Taco:

77416

These are Taco/4Runner/Tundra wheels. They have 4 1/2" backspace. I'll run my MTs on these rims and narrower ATs or something less aggressive on the TRD rims. These rims are available on Craigslist all the time, generally for way less money than new rims with 4.5" backspace. As I'm cheap, this is a good thing. Hope this info helps someone.

Sebori
12-06-2011, 01:16 AM
Treadwright Guard Dogs in 265/75/16 with kedge grip.

I have about 10k on them, they are wearing well. For the price and performance they cant be beat. I will be replacing them with the same when it is time.

They are loud, but it isnt bad in the FJ.

I was on a trip from VA to WV on US rt 33 last Christmas during a snowstorm. If anyone knows that route, they know that is a scenic hair raising trip even in good conditions. In the snow/whiteout that night, there were times when i had to turn my lights off and drive by the parking lights (i know, i know, but I had to get home for the holidays). The tires performed so well during that trip in the sleet/snow/ice that I made my mind up that they were going to be my go-to tire from now on.

capdaddy

I like the treadwrights. Have a set that got 70K on it.

Cackalak Han
12-06-2011, 02:29 AM
I can't convince myself to buy treadwrights. link (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/56847-Almost-Didnít-Make-It-BackÖ) Too much precious cargo in my rig. I think I'm going Duratrac to switch it up from BFG's. (or may still stick to BFG's).