What should my next mod be....?

[Desertoutpost]

2000 Disco...

Done-CDL, OME HD (front/rear), KYB.

Want-Full rack above w/lights and compliments, new tires 265/75/16 MT, Hi Jack, front bumper, air tank w/compressor, can do one project a month to be ready for fall desert exploring with new equipment...?

What do you guys/gals think? Which should be next and why? I travel offraod in the desert mainly, little/no rock crawling, water crossing. Thoughts??

I will update with a pic later.

Thanks!

[Scott Brady]

Have you installed the new tires yet? If not, then that would be my recommendation. Install an LT tire with an all-terrain tread.

On my 2001, the tires made a huge difference, followed by the CDL.

Now lets see some pics :)

[bovw]

Tires for sure. I'm amazed at the difference in capability between stock tires and the AT's I have now.

[Desertoutpost]

Okay so tires is getting the edge but why AT's and not MT's? I have had both before on vehicles but always thought the MT to be more aggressive and have better traction? Or does this theroy not hold true in desert type of exploring? What about side walls and protruding rocks from the ground? Is At still better than MT? Thanks in advance for your commetns and help.

[kcowyo]

....but why AT's and not MT's?
Cuz there's not a lot of rain and mud in the desert......?

[bovw]

That and AT's are better on pavement. If this a daily truck as well as off road, the AT will be better all around.

By the way kcowyo, your currently listening to rocks!

[Monkeyboy]

I've got a set of M/T's for the '94 Disco, but hardly ever use them unless I know it's going to actually be muddy.

The Trac Edge's are a great compromise ... too bad they're NLA. I have no idea what I'll use when they're worn out.

The A/T's on the 90 are nice & quiet / long wearing. It rarely ventures off pavement though :(

[articulate]

What do you guys/gals think? Which should be next and why?
No question. Gasoline, beef jerky, and cold beer for your next trip.


Carpe Diem.

[bovw]

:bowdown: You nailed it!

[FourByLand]

Pics please!

:box:

[Andrew Walcker]

X2 about the pics!

Since it appears the tires will be August's upgrade, how about the upgrade for September? What kind of rack are you looking at?

[bovw]

For the Sept mod I'd go with the tall SD, or a Hannibal, or possibly a Wilderness. All pretty good racks.

[Desertoutpost]

Okay pics comming later. Sorry I forgot to post them from other puter!!!!

I just did the OME HD w/KYB so that would be the July upgrade. So I will post the before OME, after OME.

I would like to get the SD Tall rack but as everyone knows they are very hard to come by. I really like the Hannibal rack and the tent benefits down the road, but like the looks of an SD. Wilderness are okay as long as they are full length, but for the money I would just buy a Hannibal.

Might sneak in a hi jack today!

[Andrew Walcker]

I'd have to agree with the SD rack, doesn't get too much more LR than that! Might be worth waiting and taking the time waiting for a used one to pop up?

[bovw]

Yeah, if I were buying a new rack it would be in the order listed. Also could consider a Brownchurch.

[Desertoutpost]

What about these, they sure look like the SD rack???

http://www.northwestparts.com/DIIVR.htm

[Monkeyboy]

Reviews seem to be, umm, varied :) as have delivery times.

Remind me again ... Disco I / Disco II?

KAA ... who's SD rack has been hanging from the garage ceiling for the past three years....

[Desertoutpost]

Reviews seem to be, umm, varied :) as have delivery times.

Remind me again ... Disco I / Disco II?

KAA ... who's SD rack has been hanging from the garage ceiling for the past three years....

DII....you know someone with a rack? Waiting for answer.....:jumping:

[Monkeyboy]

DII....you know someone with a rack? Waiting for answer.....:jumping:

Whoops, nope ... sorry my mistake.

[Desertoutpost]

Whoops, nope ... sorry my mistake.


Oh......the let down...........................hurt so much.........:littlefriend:







:)

[bovw]

What about these, they sure look like the SD rack???

http://www.northwestparts.com/DIIVR.htm
That guy alienated himself from Dweb.

[Desertoutpost]

That guy alienated himself from Dweb.

Why because of his product not being good or dweb hostiles?

[Andrew Walcker]

That guy alienated himself from Dweb.

Is that such a bad thing?;)

[Desertoutpost]

Before OME/KYB....

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a346/hotrodtuna/Expeditionpics015.jpg

After OME/KYB......

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a346/hotrodtuna/Expeditionpics186.jpg


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a346/hotrodtuna/Expeditionpics184.jpg


So tires will probably be next, 265/75/16 AT ????

(Current tires are 255/60/16~FYI)

[marc olivares]

Is that such a bad thing?;)


oh, come on now, dont jump on the Dweb haters bandwagon.
people call it like they see it, the quality of those racks were terrible, and their customer service was even worse.

brown church racks (iMO) look awkward at best on a disco,
hannibals look like plumbers racks, SD racks are the only way to go.
just look around, they pop up for sale all the time.
i know of 2 that sold on dweb in the past week.

proud owner of an SD low rack :D

[Desertoutpost]

oh, come on now, dont jump on the Dweb haters bandwagon.
people call it like they see it, the quality of those racks were terrible, and their customer service was even worse.

brown church racks (iMO) look awkward at best on a disco,
hannibals look like plumbers racks, SD racks are the only way to go.
just look around, they pop up for sale all the time.
i know of 2 that sold on dweb in the past week.

proud owner of an SD low rack :D


I'm not on any wagon and I have just made a few observations, I said hostiles the opposite of friendlies (EP) and just left it at that, no bashing, not my style. I go over there and would not suggest people to stay away from it, just didn't fit me as well as I thought, IMO.

I agree with you on SD but a Hannibal with sides looks nice IMO and I'm sure it is ten times as strong as the SD, which is a factor for me, not just cool looks, I want to know it will stand up to some wieght. There is just something utilitarian looking about the Hannibal, which is the way the original racks looked, (Overland 1 vid?).

Do you have dual sun's? Are you okay with not operating them? Just curious if you miss them if you have them??

Anyway thanks for your input!

[bovw]

Why because of his product not being good or dweb hostiles?
I think he didn't agree with the general opinion of his product and service.

[bovw]

oh, come on now, dont jump on the Dweb haters bandwagon.
people call it like they see it, the quality of those racks were terrible, and their customer service was even worse.

brown church racks (iMO) look awkward at best on a disco,
hannibals look like plumbers racks, SD racks are the only way to go.
just look around, they pop up for sale all the time.
i know of 2 that sold on dweb in the past week.

proud owner of an SD low rack :D
I agree Marc, SD are the best. If you're doing rooftop tents though, the Hannibal( plain and ugly as it is) is a good choice. :beer:

One day I'll be a proud SD owner too!

[Desertoutpost]

I think he didn't agree with the general opinion of his product and service.

My whole issue was if he didn't fair well on dweb because he did not get along with the other guys or he became a wise~*** and tried to bully everyone, or if it was purely based on his products/customer service being inferrior to others on the market.

I feel I got the answers I was looking for so we certainly do not need to drive this into the ground, nor did I want to open a thread that would lend itself to bashing another forum. IMO if you find a forum you like then stay, if you find one you do not like just leave, there is plenty of drama in life to create more on the web.

So back to improvements...

[marc olivares]

desertoutpost,

my comment was directed towards Andrew (see quote in my comment), not anything you said. i was ribbing him not u. He's been on Dweb and D90 for a long time and was just stirring the pot.

i dont have sunroofs on my disco so the low rack was the obvious choice for me (one less thing to break :D )
Mongo on dweb is also jumping into the rack making business, you may want to contact him. he's in AZ, shoot him a PM on DWEB.

[Michael Slade]

proud owner of an SD low rack :D

Showoff! :rappel:

[Andrew Walcker]

Man Mark, you caught me, couldn't help myself with that comment:) We all know how rough of a forum Dweb can get and it's pretty easy to go down in flames there. Now if the product is lacking in quality or customer service is not up to par, than that is a different issue and Dweb will eat him alive:gunt:

[marc olivares]

Showoff! :rappel:


LOL...well if ya got it, flaunt it! :wings:


when we going climbing slacker?

[Andrew Walcker]

Desertoutpost-

Thanks for the pics! Great looking Disco and the tires should definetly be the first upgrade. As I've said before, if I were you I'd wait to find a SD rack or as Mark suggested check out what Mongo is making to see how it compares.

[bovw]

My whole issue was if he didn't fair well on dweb because he did not get along with the other guys or he became a wise~*** and tried to bully everyone, or if it was purely based on his products/customer service being inferrior to others on the market.

I feel I got the answers I was looking for so we certainly do not need to drive this into the ground, nor did I want to open a thread that would lend itself to bashing another forum. IMO if you find a forum you like then stay, if you find one you do not like just leave, there is plenty of drama in life to create more on the web.

So back to improvements...
I'm not bashing another forum, I'm there more than here, and love it! General opinion is the his product/ service is inferrior. Long waits, poor welds, poor powdercoating, raised the price significantly on one occasion in the middle of a deal. Go with a genuine SD, wait if you have to, it's worth it.

So, after tires and rack, what kind of bumper? RTE, ARB, TJM? BTW, that rig will look great after a tire upgrade. Good job so far.

[Andrew Walcker]

So, after tires and rack, what kind of bumper? RTE, ARB, TJM?

Man, I love mentally building someone else's vehicles!!! How about the SG front and rear bumpers, I've always liked the way they look also. I think I could play this game all day!:chowtime:

[Flounder]

9723
I went with BFG 265/75/16 ATs on my OME HD lift. It seems to be a perfect combi for a DII. My main hassle is my traction control and lack of locked anything. That stinks.

I went with a half rack based on a Thule tower set so I could better carry bikes on my rack. Plus it clears my rear sun roof.

For me, the front bumper has to go. Too low.

[Desertoutpost]

Desertoutpost-

Thanks for the pics! Great looking Disco and the tires should definetly be the first upgrade. As I've said before, if I were you I'd wait to find a SD rack or as Mark suggested check out what Mongo is making to see how it compares.

Funny you should mention this...

Dweb and I do not fit, I will keep it at that. It's okay because for my uses I lurke in dweb and I'm okay with it. I will probably go with a Hannibal for the capacity (even though I will look like a plumber? LOL). I did see the one Mongo was working on and even chatted with him about his design.

Thanks for the input and yes Marc a low pro SD is a good choice for you, I have the dual sunroof option so I would rather not loose them. I will continue to keep an eye open for a used one though.

As far as bad welds and powder coatings, this would not be good and he should have to answer to his lack of skills. I will stay away from that rack.

Bumpers....I want a front ARB I think.

**(keep in mind I do not wheel to just go out and brake something and come back and fix, then go out and brake something again, nor do I think I'm cool when I brake something. When a part fails it is because it was not made correctly or I used it beyond it's intended purposes, either way I do not see how this is cool, JMO. So I'm off the road to get somewhere, hike, lake, caves, natural wonders, arceological, fossils, things like this, not to say I do not enjoy the journey getting there, it is just not to go out and turn around and come back.)***

So back to bumpers.....I do not like the rovertym stuff (No offense, they work for tons of people, just not my look or need), or slim~line type of bumpers, I like a little beef. Rear I was going to leave alone, I tow so I need to retain a rear hitch, and LR spent millions designing the one on the rear so it is good with me. But if you have any other pics of this style I'm open. SG bumpers..?

I'm glad the virtual build is fun, I was hoping it would be and I will post pics as often as a change comes!


Andrew, I don't know about it being great looking, but thanks for the props. I have owned it since it was 6 months old. So I have done all maint.....bla bla bla, gave it to the wife for a few years and just bought her a new car so I got it back....:wings: .....Time for the outback look...and use!

[Desertoutpost]

9723
I went with BFG 265/75/16 ATs on my OME HD lift. It seems to be a perfect combi for a DII. My main hassle is my traction control and lack of locked anything. That stinks.

I went with a half rack based on a Thule tower set so I could better carry bikes on my rack. Plus it clears my rear sun roof.

For me, the front bumper has to go. Too low.

Flounder I'm exploring the half rack because a buddy of mine owns a 4x4 shop and has a brand new confer half rack new he would give me for pennies, can you send more pics of rack, and pros and cons?? Nice truck, do you run at or mt? Do you have cdl? AT's I looked closer, are you happy with them?

[Andrew Walcker]

[QUOTE=Desertoutpost]SG bumpers..?
[QUOTE]

SG=Safai Gard
www.safarigard.com

If you don't like the Rovertym's you may not like these as they are more on the same lines.

[Desertoutpost]

[QUOTE=Desertoutpost]SG bumpers..?
[QUOTE]

SG=Safai Gard
www.safarigard.com

If you don't like the Rovertym's you may not like these as they are more on the same lines.

My bad.....lol :oops:

pic wouldn't load but the website said "Discovery II Front Bumper DISCONTINUED" interesting. I will have a look when I get home.

[marc olivares]

So back to bumpers.....I do not like the rovertym stuff (No offense, they work for tons of people, just not my look or need), or slim~line type of bumpers, I like a little beef. Rear I was going to leave alone, I tow so I need to retain a rear hitch, and LR spent millions designing the one on the rear so it is good with me. But if you have any other pics of this style I'm open. SG bumpers..?



i'm curious, you dont like "slimline" bumpers, yet you suggest SG?
are they not a slimline too? i have an SG bumper on my Disco, and IMO it's the best "looking" bumper for a disco. but it's far from the strength of an RTE. mine flexes and twists every time i winch on the thing. you say you want real "BEEF" well the RTE is really your only option, unless you go ARB, but you loose so much in approach w/ arb that i never really consider them an option.
as for rear bumper, i would reconsider your thoughts on that too. stock D2 rear bumpers are a major drawback, and you will continually damage them even during the easiest of use. again, RTE makes a great rear bumper (http://www.rovertym.com/d2rearbumper.htm) for the D2 and it does retain the factory trailer hitch.

stay away from SG, their service is horrible. do a search on any LR FORUM. you will see an overwhelming negative response.

[Desertoutpost]

[QUOTE=marc olivares]i'm curious, you dont like "slimline" bumpers, yet you suggest SG?
are they not a slimline too? QUOTE]


Marc, I did not suggest SG, Andrew (?) did. I was asking for clairifacation on SG, about who he was talking about. I also indicated I was leaning very heavily to ARB in one of the posts, and I meant "BEEF" not insinuating RTE were not strong or beefy but maybe more of the look of beef? Does this make sense to you?

I love this, you and I seem to be on different sides of things and can easily hold an adult discussion and even disagree without bashing, wow what a concept. I'm not overly concerned about approach angles (go ahead and give me some grief here) call me innocent or whatever, but for what I do and will be doing I just do not see it as a factor for me, I know I could be wrong, as often times I am!

[marc olivares]

I love this, you and I seem to be on different sides of things and can easily hold an adult discussion and even disagree without bashing, wow what a concept. I'm not overly concerned about approach angles (go ahead and give me some grief here) call me innocent or whatever, but for what I do and will be doing I just do not see it as a factor for me, I know I could be wrong, as often times I am!

i dont know that i wouldn't go so far as saying we're on "different sides", we both seem to like Rovers, right? :)
please understand that my comments come from lots of experience w/ using these products. i've spent more money on my rover than i care to admit to, so if i can help someone else not spend his money on something he'll regret, i'll speak up. not bash, but will offer my opinion if asked.

the arb is a great bumper, strong and rock solid (much better than that garbage TJM puts out) but experience tells me, that unless you have a larger lift, you will drag that bumper over alot of stuff. most who have these bumpers dont care. i, myself, hate dragging my truck over stuff, but that's just me.

enjoy your build, mine has made many transformation over the last 8 years :beer:

[Desertoutpost]

i dont know that i wouldn't go so far as saying we're on "different sides", we both seem to like Rovers, right? :)
please understand that my comments come from lots of experience w/ using these products. i've spent more money on my rover than i care to admit to, so if i can help someone else not spend his money on something he'll regret, i'll speak up. not bash, but will offer my opinion if asked.

the arb is a great bumper, strong and rock solid (much better than that garbage TJM puts out) but experience tells me, that unless you have a larger lift, you will drag that bumper over alot of stuff. most who have these bumpers dont care. i, myself, hate dragging my truck over stuff, but that's just me.

enjoy your build, mine has made many transformation over the last 8 years :beer:

So TJM is junk?

Good to know and I take you opinion highly and understand you have more exp. then I.

Thanks again.

You have any pics?

[bovw]

Right now I have a Wilderness Sport half rack. For my current purposes, I like it, but the rear sunroof will not open. I will be testing it next week, a weeks worth of stuff to TX and back. I'll try to get some pics taken and post them up.

[DaveInDenver]

I'm not overly concerned about approach angles (go ahead and give me some grief here) call me innocent or whatever, but for what I do and will be doing I just do not see it as a factor for me, I know I could be wrong, as often times I am!
I don't think you're wrong, I follow the same thought lines. A lot of people who dislike ARB bumper do so because they are big and take up approach angle. Our club was lucky enough to have an ARB rep come talk to us and hearing some of the things he said clarified it for me. The idea behind the bumper as designed by ARB is to protect important sub-assemblies such that an accident, be that an animal or environmental, has a lower chance of disabling your vehicle. In the Outback (so claims the rep) the majority of people do not die in the accident, but from exposure because with a disabled truck you now have to find a way to travel several hundred miles on foot. So the theory goes that the bull bar is designed to protect things like suspension, steering, radiator so that you stand a decent chance of keeping truck on the road. So when you think about where the wings (a part that is often trimmed for approach) are, these might be protecting a ball joint or tie rod end, for example. The question is obviously one of need. There are very few places in the USA that are quite as remote and unforgiving as the Outback, so it's possible that my decision is paranoia more than a real need as I travel pretty prepared already. But anyway, just throwing it out there.

[bovw]

I've been torn with the RTE/ARB choice. I like the beef of the RTE, but prefer the look of ARB. I will probably go with ARB, I don't do much rock crawling, more greenlaning. I suppose the RTE would be overkill for my truck.

[Sharkman]

Just the facts:

I have had a NWP on my D2 for 3 years. The welds and overall build quality have not been an issue. The powder coat has come off in several places and it is due to be striped and painted (maybe galvenized). I went with the NWP rack because I could have it custom built to allow use of the sunroofs and still fit in my garage. The rack sees heavy use on a regular basis. From what I hear they are no longer taking orders so a used SD would be a good option if you are not in a hurry.

I have never had any issues with the build quality of my TJM bumper or winch mount.

[Andrew Walcker]

I have read and heard a lot of bad press about SG, but have always had positive experiences with Greg and Mary. Perhaps it is because I live 45 minutes away from the shop and have always done business with them face to face.

[Desertoutpost]

Just the facts:

I have had a NWP on my D2 for 3 years. The welds and overall build quality have not been an issue. The powder coat has come off in several places and it is due to be striped and painted (maybe galvenized). I went with the NWP rack because I could have it custom built to allow use of the sunroofs and still fit in my garage. The rack sees heavy use on a regular basis. From what I hear they are no longer taking orders so a used SD would be a good option if you are not in a hurry.

I have never had any issues with the build quality of my TJM bumper or winch mount.

Good to know, thanks Steve!

[Desertoutpost]

I have read and heard a lot of bad press about SG, but have always had positive experiences with Greg and Mary. Perhaps it is because I live 45 minutes away from the shop and have always done business with them face to face.

Where are they located, I'm in San Diego?

[bovw]

I have never had any issues with the build quality of my TJM bumper or winch mount.
Do you have a steel or aluminum TJM. I recently bought a Great Divide Edition bumper for my RRC. Turns out to be aluminum, about 45 pounds. Not sure how much abuse it will take. I know TJM sells aluminum, that would be my main concern there.

[Andrew Walcker]

Where are they located, I'm in San Diego?
They are in Murrieta, just north of Temecula. I'd call Mary directly if I were you and do business in person.

[Desertoutpost]

They are in Murrieta, just north of Temecula. I'd call Mary directly if I were you and do business in person.

Thanks, I will check them out.

I'm pretty sure I will run the ARB front bumper, I seem to compare everything to them and find I rely on a bizz and how long they have been around. For example, I went with OME instead on RTE coils because I figure they have been doing this alot longer, worked out alot of the typical bizz problems already, that a company does over TIME, has a good reputation over the LONG haul, and you can find their product in varying markets, not just a limited one, so the R&D used for others could be applied to the LR also. Is this making sense to you or only to me? (sorry for the run on sentence.)

I will look to see other items they have and even still look at the front bumper later today.

[Michael Slade]

LOL...well if ya got it, flaunt it! :wings:


when we going climbing slacker?

I'm always climbing...'socially' that is. Hehe.

This week is out...next weekend we're camping w/some nieghbors.

Hopefully before summer is over.

I'm going out tomorrow for a couple of days out to the NW side of the lake, but theres not too many places to rapell off of out there.

I am just barely getting around to putting on those sliders (finally painted 'em this week), this summer has been pretty busy actually.

[Michael Slade]

I like the beef of the RTE, but prefer the look of ARB.

This is where most people take the wrong approach to purchasing equipment that can potentially save their life.

If you prefer the 'look' of something over the 'functionality' of another, then I would second-guess what it is you're purchasing.

As to the strength of the ARB...

I've had only ARB bumpers on all of my trucks, I've personally seen deer hit at 65+ mph w/no damage to the truck.

It's never seem to get in the way of me getting where I need to go, but I'm not very hard-core. :suning:

I don't think I'd ever run another bumper besides ARB (disclaimer: ARB is a client, so my opinions might be biased).

[Desertoutpost]

This is where most people take the wrong approach to purchasing equipment that can potentially save their life.

If you prefer the 'look' of something over the 'functionality' of another, then I would second-guess what it is you're purchasing.

As to the strength of the ARB...

I've had only ARB bumpers on all of my trucks, I've personally seen deer hit at 65+ mph w/no damage to the truck.

It's never seem to get in the way of me getting where I need to go, but I'm not very hard-core. :suning:

I don't think I'd ever run another bumper besides ARB (disclaimer: ARB is a client, so my opinions might be biased).

Client, well hook a brother up! :jumping:


I agree looks should be below functionability and safety (my earlier comment on Hannibal capacity), good points to ponder.

[Michael Slade]

My ARB discount is very deep, but I have promised not to compete with local dealers.

If you were near SLC things might be a little different...but I am obligated to stay within ARB's good graces.

[Desertoutpost]

My ARB discount is very deep, but I have promised not to compete with local dealers.

If you were near SLC things might be a little different...but I am obligated to stay within ARB's good graces.

Just busting you chops, but thanks! :D

[bovw]

This is where most people take the wrong approach to purchasing equipment that can potentially save their life.

If you prefer the 'look' of something over the 'functionality' of another, then I would second-guess what it is you're purchasing.

As to the strength of the ARB...

I've had only ARB bumpers on all of my trucks, I've personally seen deer hit at 65+ mph w/no damage to the truck.

It's never seem to get in the way of me getting where I need to go, but I'm not very hard-core. :suning:

I don't think I'd ever run another bumper besides ARB (disclaimer: ARB is a client, so my opinions might be biased).
I agree, I wouldn't consider the ARB if I didn't feel it wasn't safe. I just wasn't sure if they hold up to the abuse I've heard from RTE users. That's why I wouldn't run a TJM, I want steel instead of aluminum up front. I try to buy with form and function in mind, not what is cheapest. I don't personally know anyone using ARB, so it's good to know they stand up, and I know the company has a good rep to back it up. I will probably still go with an RTE rear bumper though, not sure ARB makes one for a Disco.

[Michael Slade]

I will probably still go with an RTE rear bumper though, not sure ARB makes one for a Disco.

IF ARB makes a rear bumper for the Disco...and I'm not sure that they do frankly, it'd probably stink. The rear bumper for the RRC is terrible, and they hardly sell any.

IMO, someone ought to offer a rear bumper like the guys get for the LandCruisers. The swing-away tire carrier is sweet, and even though the Disco's have a tire carrier on the door, I think I'd rather have it on a bumper.

Like this one... (http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/100_rear_bumper.htm)

Or this one... (http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/fj62rearbumper.htm)

I know I would like that for the Range Rover.

[Desertoutpost]

IF ARB makes a rear bumper for the Disco...and I'm not sure that they do frankly, it'd probably stink. The rear bumper for the RRC is terrible, and they hardly sell any.

IMO, someone ought to offer a rear bumper like the guys get for the LandCruisers. The swing-away tire carrier is sweet, and even though the Disco's have a tire carrier on the door, I think I'd rather have it on a bumper.

Like this one... (http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/100_rear_bumper.htm)

Or this one... (http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/fj62rearbumper.htm)

I know I would like that for the Range Rover.

I have wondered this the whole time, why no one makes a swing out for the disco's? I bet with a little welding knowledge you could get that first bumper and adapt it to a disco no problem....now you got me thinking!

[bovw]

I have wondered this the whole time, why no one makes a swing out for the disco's? I bet with a little welding knowledge you could get that first bumper and adapt it to a disco no problem....now you got me thinking!
Quit thinking and start building! I'd be interested.

[Desertoutpost]

Quit thinking and start building! I'd be interested.

Easy for you to say, but perhaps this would be a good project to start.

[bovw]

I'm not a welder so I can't help, sorry.

[Flounder]

Flounder I'm exploring the half rack because a buddy of mine owns a 4x4 shop and has a brand new confer half rack new he would give me for pennies, can you send more pics of rack, and pros and cons?? Nice truck, do you run at or mt? Do you have cdl? AT's I looked closer, are you happy with them?
Pros? It probably doesn't have as much windage as the full racks. I'm not tempted to overload my roof. Positioned where it is, everything is very accessible if I stand on the ladder or the tires. It clears my sunroof. It was really affordable...$350ish. It easily carries bikes. I can remove the basket to carry skis, kayaks or any other toys. That is the advantage of starting with a Thule rack.

Cons: It isn't "rover cool" like an SD rack. Seriously, if I had my way it would have a full SD rack but unless I'm bound for Cape Town, this set up works great.

As for tires, I'm running ATs and dig'em. Didn't effect mileage at all...or much. I don't have a CDL which for the most part doesn't bother me unless the slopes are steep, or the terrain excessively rocky. Then it really blows.

The bumper thing is tough. I'm not wild about the kangaroo killing aesthetics of the ARB bumpers but they do make more sense to me than the slim line bumpers. If I need THAT much approach angle, I'm in deep poop.

[Desertoutpost]

Pros? It probably doesn't have as much windage as the full racks. I'm not tempted to overload my roof. Positioned where it is, everything is very accessible if I stand on the ladder or the tires. It clears my sunroof. It was really affordable...$350ish. It easily carries bikes. I can remove the basket to carry skis, kayaks or any other toys. That is the advantage of starting with a Thule rack.

Cons: It isn't "rover cool" like an SD rack. Seriously, if I had my way it would have a full SD rack but unless I'm bound for Cape Town, this set up works great.

As for tires, I'm running ATs and dig'em. Didn't effect mileage at all...or much. I don't have a CDL which for the most part doesn't bother me unless the slopes are steep, or the terrain excessively rocky. Then it really blows.

The bumper thing is tough. I'm not wild about the kangaroo killing aesthetics of the ARB bumpers but they do make more sense to me than the slim line bumpers. If I need THAT much approach angle, I'm in deep poop.

Thanks for the "real world" info. I mean it, no BS just the straight poop, I like it! I have the opportunity to by the half rack, confer with light mounts, shovel holder, hi jack mount for $200.00 which I know is a smoking deal for brand new! So I'm considering the purchase strongly for now. I will just need to fab foot mounts which is no biggy!

Thanks again for the info! I agree on the approach, that bad I'm hiking anyway! :jumping:

[Sharkman]

bovw, The TJM bumper I have is steel.


Speaking of CDL....

This is why you need it :)

[bovw]

I don't think I'd ever run another bumper besides ARB (disclaimer: ARB is a client, so my opinions might be biased).
Michael, I was thinking about this today. I know ARB makes a airbag and non airbag bumper. What, if any adverse effects would there be with a non airbag bumper on a D1 with airbags? How likely are they to deploy if you bump a tree or rock? Just wondering in case I ever run up on a deal for a non airbag model. Thanks!:beer:

[craig]

ARB owns Kaymar. Kaymar makes a Disco rear bumper w/ a swingout.

ARB bumpers aren't as strong as an RTE on purpose. They are stronger than your plastic factory bumper, but are soft enough to absorb some of the impact if you run into, oh i dunno, say a kangaroo. :) Like most decisions, the bumper you buy depends on how you use your vehicle.

Craig

[Desertoutpost]

ARB owns Kaymar. Kaymar makes a Disco rear bumper w/ a swingout.

ARB bumpers aren't as strong as an RTE on purpose. They are stronger than your plastic factory bumper, but are soft enough to absorb some of the impact if you run into, oh i dunno, say a kangaroo. :) Like most decisions, the bumper you buy depends on how you use your vehicle.

Craig

Thanks for the info Craig I will take a look at the website!

[RonL]

I think the non-air bag bumper is only for the Disco1. I have a air bag version on my wife's Disco1 and love it. It is a great bumper. Yes there are some appraoch limits compared to the SG or Rovertym, but I think you will be happy with an ARB.

[bovw]

bovw, The TJM bumper I have is steel.



Cool, I'll be replacing the aluminum GDE I have with a steel bumper at some point. I just don't know how much of a hit it will stand up to.

[bovw]

I think the non-air bag bumper is only for the Disco1. I have a air bag version on my wife's Disco1 and love it. It is a great bumper. Yes there are some appraoch limits compared to the SG or Rovertym, but I think you will be happy with an ARB.
I have a D1, I was just curious of any problems in case I find a great deal on a non air bag sometime.

I'll also have to check out that Kaymar rear, sounds good.

[FourByLand]

I would go RTE front and rear on a D1, very stout.

[RonL]

The non air bag has the winch mount in the bumper, the air bag version has the winch mount under the bumper mounted on the frame with other mount plate. There are crush-cans between the bumper and the frame on the air bag version. If I did it again I would buy a non air bag version. It is very hard to see the winch, change to free spool, and rewind without laying on your back. Non air bag version is right in the front and open to see what happens to the winch cable.

[david despain]

has anyone mentioned a fridge? http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22186&postcount=19
probably use it more often than a winch.

[gahill2]

I would go RTE front and rear on a D1, very stout.

x2

I went through the same debate when deciding bumpers for my DII....I bought a NWP bumper from a guy in the LR club that I am a member. Sold it (just wanted a boxed bumper that was stronger) and went with the RTE and couldn't be happier. Their products are top notch. I have their front bumper, sliders and lift. When I finally get a rear bumper they are a top runner for that as well.

[Desertoutpost]

Fridge is high up on the list!!



has anyone mentioned a fridge? http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22186&postcount=19
probably use it more often than a winch.

[Desertoutpost]

Okay another question...

Teflon coated wheels. I have seen them and like them alot. American racing has some nice ones (see below) but I noticed they do not have a fit guide for Rovers (the nurve of some companies). So I like the industrial look of the wheel but not really into steelies. Any other option that you gus/gals have up your sleeve? Did I just miss that they make them for Rover? I think they would give a clean multipurpose look to a DII. Or maybe I should look into the pattern fro a 2000 DII??

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a346/hotrodtuna/m3981.jpg

[bovw]

They're steel, and doesn't say if available for a D2, but you can try these guys. I know a few people running them on D1's and RRC's.

http://www.gulfcoastrovers.com/pages/products.asp?uid=3

[FourByLand]

I would just hit your factory rims with a light scuffing and paint them black (flat or semi) and get a nice set of 32's of your flavor and call it good.

[gahill2]

Aftermarket wheels for LR are hard to find. ProComp makes some steel wheels in the LR bolt pattern. Since I am not running my mirage wheels with my MT's everyday anymore I am going to scuff and paint them. Easy to do and looks good as well.

[SMD]

has anyone mentioned a fridge? http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22186&postcount=19
probably use it more often than a winch.

Concur - most frequently used/needed purchase after the lift/tires. Since my D1 is a daily driver, I leave it in the truck and use it during normal days as well. Great for stopping at the grocery store whenever it's convenient without worrying about getting the milk home to the fridge. :)

Probably use my rear worklight as the next "most needed" item. Wired to a constant "hot" like the fridge and allows me to cook, etc off the back bumper when I'm in a rush and don't feel like setting up a table (or, for that matter, even when I do setup the whole kit). Headlamp works well, but a bright worklamp can really improve the situation.

[Green96D1]

I would just hit your factory rims with a light scuffing and paint them black (flat or semi) and get a nice set of 32's of your flavor and call it good.


I agree.


but if you still like the Steel Wheels have a look at the procomp 87 series

there are some Discoverys that are running that rim and it looks great.

[xcmountain80]

I would just hit your factory rims with a light scuffing and paint them black (flat or semi) and get a nice set of 32's of your flavor and call it good.


True! Since you already have them theres no cost other than paint. I used the metallic gray from the auto parts store for wheels.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/xcmountain/P2280995.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/xcmountain/P4201868.jpg
Aaron

[FourByLand]

What did you decide to do?

:)

[TeriAnn]

2000 Disco...

Want-Full rack above w/lights and compliments, new tires 265/75/16 MT, Hi Jack, front bumper, air tank w/compressor, can do one project a month to be ready for fall desert exploring with new equipment...?


If I were to prioritize I would suggest:

1. tyres - 'cause street tyres only work on the street.

2. compressor - airing down on the trail really helps traction and ride comfort, especially on wash board roads. Its nice to be able to air up when you get back to pavement or when conditions allow you to drive faster.

3. Bumper - Stock Disco bumpers just get in the way and the 2 items above will allow you to go places where you need a steeper front approach angle

4. Think twice about a roof rack - Drag force increases with the square of the vehicle speed, but the power required to overcome drag goes as the cube of the vehicle speed (or is it drag?). Increase the air resistance and decrease your fuel mileage. Also, I believe LR specs maximum roof rack load on a Disco to be something like 90 lbs including the weight of the rack. Any weight put up high will negatively affect roll over angle. A small off road trailer makes a lot more sense than a roof rack in places where you can pull one. Where you can't pull one you wouldn't want any weight on the roof anyway. If you do get a roof rack, you are best off getting one that is easily detachable so you can leave it off when you don't need it and only put light weight stuff on it. Jerry cans belong in a trailer not a roof rack

Of course this is a case of doing as I say and not as I do:


http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/LR.images/TWtakingpict.jpg

On the other hand my roof rack is quickly detachable with the lights on plugs for quick disconnect, and I often stand on top of the rack to take pictures, its only 4 feet long and I keep weight to a minimum ... Other rationalizations to numerous to list ...

Take care


OOOOPS!!! Sorry but just after posting this I noticed that this thread is nine pages long and not just one page. I replied after only reading the first page. I see it has evolved well beyond my comments. Please chalk it up to my being a newbie here.

OOOPs

[Andrew Walcker]

TeriAnn, love the pic of you taking a pic! I totally agree with your points on No. 4, well said.

[bovw]

I just got back from vacation, about 4000 miles roundtrip with a 1/2 rack loaded with suitcases. I still averaged 15.2 mpg at interstate speeds. I was actually quite pleased as I figured point #4 would come into play.

[david despain]

not a mod per se, but a good quality obdII scann tool w/ the ability to look at all the eng inputs in real time. or if you want to be real cool a rovacom :Mechanic:

[Palmer]

waiting for your pics, I am now browsing the Autosnap GD860 scanner (http://www.uobd2.com/wholesale/autosnap-gd860-full-set-auto-scan-tool.html), how about it ?

[rover4x4]

inline thermostat

[dcwhybrew]

2000 Disco...

Done-CDL, OME HD (front/rear), KYB.

Want-Full rack above w/lights and compliments, new tires 265/75/16 MT, Hi Jack, front bumper, air tank w/compressor, can do one project a month to be ready for fall desert exploring with new equipment...?

What do you guys/gals think? Which should be next and why? I travel offraod in the desert mainly, little/no rock crawling, water crossing. Thoughts??

I will update with a pic later.

Thanks!

Before any other mods are done, I'd make sure that ALL of your routine maintenance and any needed repair work are completed. Then...

1. Tires - ATs because they work well on the road and in the dry sand/dirt. You really dont have to worry about clearing your treads for traction out in the desert. That's mainly why you dont need MTs. Also, the MT designation doesnt have anything to do with the sidewall strength/durability. That will be defined by the tire's LT or P metric designation. The LT will have at least a 3 ply sidewall. You will be fine.
2. Underbody protection - skid plates and rock sliders (IMHO - in that order)
3. Recovery points
4. Winch
5. CB or HAM
6. Figure out the other stuff as you get experience driving out in the desert. The rest of the list is just bolt on stuff that people generally buy because it looks cool (lights, roof racks/tents, etc.) but is rarely used. My opinion, if you arent going to use it, dont buy it; dont buy it until you've experienced being without it.

I lived in Laughlin, NV for several years. I had a stock 96 Disco with BFG ATs. That's it, no mods. I have been off road quite a bit in southern Cal, southern NV, southern UT, southwest CO, and northern AZ. Granted, I didn't go on any difficult/extreme trails (which are typical for rock crawlers). But I did run a lot of moderate trails. You would be greatly surprised at what you can do with your truck now, especially with the CDL and lift.

[Snagger]

For your application, I'd do the following first:

1) Sell the new MTs while they're unused or exchange them for ATs - better grip on road and off road too (except in mud, wet grass or for extreme rock crawling), better wear, better fuel consumption, less noise...

2) Uprate the suspension with HD rear springs and OME or DeCarbon gas dampers. If you have air suspension, get a conversion kit ASAP - it's a liability on exped vehicles.

3) Aircon - if you don't have it, and an ES should, then in the desert it'll be beneficial, saving you from having the windows open in dusty convoys.

4) Fuel capacity - long range or additional tanks are more convenient, safer and less easily stolen than cans, though a single can is useful if you do run out and can get a lift to a service station. I agree with Terri-Ann that the roof rack is no place for fuel (it's illegal in Italy and Switzerland, and no doubt many other European countries, but should be illegal everywhere).

5) Battery - running camping equipment will drain a battery, and while a bigger battery will help, the redundancy of having two ordinary batteries is better than one super-duper battery.

6) Comms - inter-vehicle comms are very useful, but if you're travelling alone, reliable long-range comms are essential. HF radio or a satphone would be perfect when out of range of phone and VHF systems.

7) Storage - safe stowage of bulky gear is essential for safety in an accident and to prevent load shifts when at high body angles, but a proper system will also make accessing kit easier and quicker. Interior storage is preferable for CoG, aerodynamic efficiency and also security reasons, but if you need a roof rack, I still rate steel racks over aluminium - they seem to crack less and the ali racks tend not to have side rails to help retain the load. Boarding a steel rack is a good idea as they tend to have open frames, but remember that the weight quickly adds up.

8) Recovery - a slow but powerful winch is nice but rarely required. An 8274 or similar is overkill. You just need strong recovery points like a NATO hitch at the back and towing pintles at the front. They need to be accessible when bogged in, so JATE rings are not good. Strops, ropes, shackles (a ground anchor if alone) and a farm jack are all you need.

9) Spare tyres - one is essential, but a second could be very useful when travelling alone. Tricky to mount on a Discovery unless you have a roof rack, and they're quite heavy to be up so high. Tubed tryes and trye and tube repair kits might be better, but you meed tyre irons for that too...

10) Vehicle protection - stronger steering rods, diff pan guards and a fuel tank guard are worthwhile. Less so the fancy bumpers, though they will give you jacking points and somewhere to mount the front recovery eyes or pintles. A conventional mushroom topped snorkel (not the forward scooping type like Safari) will help prevent dust clogging the air filter in dusty convoys but is not essential. Paper filters are easily tapped out to give them basic cleaning, while cotton performance filters would be a bad idea.

11) Water - a big flat tank in the rear foot well should keep the CoG and any sloshing under control.

Ultimately, though, work out what you need, not what others need for their application or what looks impressive. It's usually the simple, cheap and mundane things that are most beneficial.