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Flagster
01-03-2012, 05:57 PM
As I was driving North on HWY 89 out of Flagstaff yesterday afternoon I was passed in the opposite direction by a black heavily disguised/tarped toyota tundra...the front end was not visible and the bed had a canopy on them covering the top of the bed and back of the cabin at strange angles...they may still be roaming around N. AZ or headed through PHX...keep an eye out for them...I didn't have a camera/phone on me quick enough to grab a photo...
As I am interested what the changes to the 2014 Tundra will be...will most likely be a subtle front end redesign like the 2012 Tacoma but thought I would start this thread to compile any info...

Saiyan66
01-03-2012, 06:19 PM
Hopefully a pretty hefty body style redo as the current truck is excellent mechanically, but has tiny wheel wells and doesn't rank high in the looks department in my opinion.

Mattm94
01-04-2012, 12:40 AM
DIESEL 3/4 TON... :sombrero:

78Bronco
01-04-2012, 06:54 AM
DIESEL 3/4 TON... :sombrero:

Dream on...Toyota doesn't have the balls to step into the ring with Cummins, Powerstroke or Isuzu Duramax...lol

Logans91XJ
01-04-2012, 07:36 AM
Well considering that Toyota uses Diesels in every other part of the world your statement means nothing. I think it has more to do with EPA more than anything else.

Mattm94
01-04-2012, 12:32 PM
I doubt they're doing a diesel in 14, but the notion that Toyota is afraid to step into a diesel market is laughable and displays an odd ignorance of diesel power outside of Detroit or the U.S....

The fact remains that the great majority of U.S. drivers prefer gas, and WILL until they can't afford it.

Saiyan66
01-04-2012, 04:20 PM
Toyota is certainly not afraid to step into the global diesel market. However they are afraid to step into the U.S. diesel market. There is too much loyalty to the big three, and fear about the heavy duty capability of Toyota vehicles for them to have even a snowballs chance in hell at the HD market in the U.S. Seriously look at how long it took them to come out with a real 1/2 ton full size truck. . . . . . . 20+ years. I think that Toyota is still feeling the impact from their T100 disaster, and the dismal sales of the Tundra compared to the F150 and Silverado are evidence of that I believe. They will continue to have excellent sales in the global diesel market however and the big three cant touch that. And as previously posted, the vast majority of truck sales in the U.S. are gas anyway.

pskhaat
01-04-2012, 05:00 PM
Well considering that Toyota uses Diesels in every other part of the world your statement means nothing. I think it has more to do with EPA more than anything else.


I doubt they're doing a diesel in 14, but the notion that Toyota is afraid to step into a diesel market is laughable and displays an odd ignorance of diesel power outside of Detroit or the U.S....

I actually agree with 78Bronco. Toyota has the supply chain for diesel. Mercedes and VW are coming in with diesel despite the EPA. With all due respect, I think the EPA statements holds no water.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tech-24-volts-systems/544850-why-there-no-diesels-yota-sold-usa.html#post7221931

Considering other manufacturers are importing/selling diesels, the new Tundra did sell (albeit not very well (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tundra#Sales_figures) during the financial "crisis"), Toyota and its global supply and support chain should be able to support additional offerings, I can't think of any reason other than fear/bias/market disinterest to not have at bare minimum a diesel truck offering. I ask this very genuinely, what makes you think that statement is ignorant?

seanz0rz
01-04-2012, 05:22 PM
please fully box the frame, toyota. please.

washington taco
01-04-2012, 06:03 PM
Even if Toyota offered the diesel, the option cost would be $8500.00 and turn off buyers because of cost. This would also negate any fuel savings cost unless you drive the rig for 300,000 miles.

lowenbrau
01-04-2012, 07:19 PM
Toyota only runs their models for 6-8 years. By 2014 the second gen Tundra will be end of life and I expect an all new third gen version will debut. I also expect it will have an increased payload and will be designed with a certain diesel in mind. I won't say that it will come with one though. Toyota is very conservative with new offerings and the US buyer hasn't shown that he will buy a heavy diesel pickup from an import company. This is ironic since so many Tundras have been made in the USA and so many Dodges have been built in Mexico. Toyota also has to do something about the pricing if they want the kind of volume that Ford is getting. I could nearly buy two F150s for the price of a Tundra.

I think they days of diesel are gone though. This winter we have been paying a 25% premium for diesel and I have seriously considered dumping our HDJ81 for a UZJ100 because the gasser V8 is cheaper to operate than the L6 turbodiesel. The future is in smaller, direct injected, charged air gassers such as Ford's 3.5l ecowhatever.

Scott C
01-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Boxed is not always better. The tundra c-channel is more than capable of handling current duties. Plus it is less likely to hold moisture/mud and rust. Look at all the big rigs on the road, they are c-channel.

seanz0rz
01-04-2012, 09:24 PM
Boxed is not always better. The tundra c-channel is more than capable of handling current duties. Plus it is less likely to hold moisture/mud and rust. Look at all the big rigs on the road, they are c-channel.

i agree with that, but something must be done about the flex in the frame. i see 2nd gen tundras go down a particular stretch of road (concrete washboard) and it looks as if its going to twist apart.

Redline
01-04-2012, 10:06 PM
snip...Toyota also has to do something about the pricing if they want the kind of volume that Ford is getting. I could nearly buy two F150s for the price of a Tundra.

Is that apples to apples? Seven months ago I compared similarly equipped (as close as the packages would allow & I would buy) Toyota TRD 5.7L trucks and new Fx4 F150s and the retail pricing was very close. I decided on the Toyota, but not because of pricing.


I think they days of diesel are gone though. This winter we have been paying a 25% premium for diesel and I have seriously considered dumping our HDJ81 for a UZJ100 because the gasser V8 is cheaper to operate than the L6 turbodiesel. The future is in smaller, direct injected, charged air gassers such as Ford's 3.5l ecowhatever.

I agree (hope we are wrong). As a 20 year diesel enthusiast/owner I fear the opportunity to expand diesel popularity in N. America was missed. I could have purchased a new diesel pickup in 2011, but I didn't need/want one for a variety of reasons, not all of them economic.

Pskhaat's comments (on MUD about the outdated perspective of auto executives regarding the poor execution of GM diesels in the USA are just that, outdated. I don't think the general buying public knows or cares about this 1970s history. If new diesels were economical (big picture), appealing and offered, then people would/could buy them. But as lowenbrau said, I fear the glory days of light-duty diesels may have passed. This is part of the reason I'm hesitant to sell my 1996 F350, though it sees little use.

bigwapitijohnny
01-05-2012, 01:58 AM
All,

I have been very pleased with my new Tundra. It has plenty of room, power and looks. The bonus is the fact that it gets BETTER gas mileage towing my Sherpa II trailer than with my old 4runner. If Toyota came out with a Taco with a V6 diesel, I might take a long hard look at that platform. However, I feel as though this rig is perfect for the needs of my family at this time.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/bigwapitijohnny/4runner/IMG_2853.jpg

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/bigwapitijohnny/Tundra/300126523_photobucket_6012_.jpg

Regards,

BWJ

flighht2k5
01-05-2012, 02:21 AM
i agree with that, but something must be done about the flex in the frame. i see 2nd gen tundras go down a particular stretch of road (concrete washboard) and it looks as if its going to twist apart.

There isn't anything wrong with frame flex. Unimogs utilize the frame flex very reliably and successfully.


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Saiyan66
01-05-2012, 04:10 AM
Very true that there isn't anything wrong with frame flex, but when you drive a new Tundra back to back with a new F150 there is a noticeable difference between the two that some people might interpret as a lack of strength/quality in the Toyota.

Flagster
01-05-2012, 01:34 PM
Toyota only runs their models for 6-8 years. By 2014 the second gen Tundra will be end of life and I expect an all new third gen version will debut. I also expect it will have an increased payload and will be designed with a certain diesel in mind.

The 2012 Tacoma has only minor changes over the 2005 version...Should we expect a brand new truck in 2014???

lowenbrau
01-05-2012, 05:08 PM
The 2012 Tacoma has only minor changes over the 2005 version...Should we expect a brand new truck in 2014???

The first generation Taco ran from 1995- 2004 so, yes, I'd expect all new generation of Tacoma around 2014 as well.
The first generation Tundra ran for six years,
The first generation Hilux ran four years.
The second generation Hilux ran six years
The third generation Hilux ran five years
The fourth generation Hilux ran five years
The fifth generation ran six years
The sixth generation Hilux ran eight years
The current generation of Hilux is in its seventh year

It looks like a 7-8 year trend at the moment.

lowenbrau
01-05-2012, 05:15 PM
Is that apples to apples? Seven months ago I compared similarly equipped (as close as the packages would allow & I would buy) Toyota TRD 5.7L trucks and new Fx4 F150s and the retail pricing was very close. I decided on the Toyota, but not because of pricing.





I really can't say for sure. It is incredibly hard to compare. I have been looking and even drove a 6 seat Tundra when I finally found one. Up here the Tundras come better equipped than in the US (SR5 is the base model). They all have power everything and then they upsell you on the stereo, parking sonar, wheels and decal kit. You can't get a Tundra with steel wheels or vinyl flooring so the cheapest possible version of a Crew-max 4x4 is $36,000. I think you can get an F150 Supercab for about $10,000 less but again, I'm not really sure it is comparable.

lowenbrau
01-05-2012, 05:19 PM
All,

I have been very pleased with my new Tundra. It has plenty of room, power and looks. The bonus is the fact that it gets BETTER gas mileage towing my Sherpa II trailer than with my old 4runner. If Toyota came out with a Taco with a V6 diesel, I might take a long hard look at that platform. However, I feel as though this rig is perfect for the needs of my family at this time.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/bigwapitijohnny/Tundra/300126523_photobucket_6012_.jpg

Regards,

BWJ

I love the look of your truck. That's exactly what I'd like to get for our family (I need the six seat version which is uber rare) I was hoping for a good used one but they just don't seem to exist at all so I'm waiting until the kids are all facing forward and I'll find a six-seater doublecab which is a bit more common

fowldarr
04-10-2012, 03:49 PM
I found a six seater crew max on my local lot and bought it. It has the 4.6 which in theory is better for a couple more mpgs, and has plenty of power for my needs Works great for me an my family. But that is not what this thread is about. Has anybody seen any spy photos of the 2014 yet? I'm interested in what they do as well.

Rattler
04-11-2012, 12:58 PM
I get asked why I don't drive a fullsize truck being I am '6"5. Why? Because I fit fine in my '04 Tacoma and just don't want a fullsize. I have had them in the past and I am happy with my Taco. Now, I live in mid-Michigan, the heart of GM country. I have to say, over the last few years the "Buy American/GM" thing has seemed to have settled down a lot. I am amazed at how many more Tundras I am seeing around here now. As a matter of fact, a co-worker of mine, who was a long-time GM/Chevy guy, totally floored me about a year ago when he bought a '08 Tundra. He came out of a couple fullsize Chevys and he loves it. He keeps talking about wanting a Rock Warrior packaged Tundra.

JCMatthews
04-11-2012, 09:35 PM
Buy American buy GMC. The most American made truck is currently the Tundra. Here is a list of trucks and the percentage of the truck made domestically.

Tundra – 90% domestic content
Ram 1500 – 70% domestic content
Silverado/Sierra – 61% domestic content
Ford F-150 – 60% domestic content

I'm not 100% on the info, it seemed like what I read a year ago said the tundra was 80% American made and the Ram was only 53%. However these are close percentages.

Redline
04-11-2012, 09:54 PM
Snip... He keeps talking about wanting a Rock Warrior packaged Tundra.

Then he should read my blog ;)

Tacomas are nice.

Rattler
04-11-2012, 11:46 PM
Buy American buy GMC. The most American mande truck is currently the Tundra. Here is a list of trucks and the percentage of the truck made domestically.

Tundra – 90% domestic content
Ram 1500 – 70% domestic content
Silverado/Sierra – 61% domestic content
Ford F-150 – 60% domestic content

I'm not 100% on the info, it seemed like what I read a year ago said the tundra was 80% American made and the Ram was only 53%. However these are close percentages.
I know my old '89 Chevy 1500 said assembled in Canada. And yet my first Toy, an '89 XtraCab, said assembled in California.

bigwapitijohnny
04-12-2012, 02:48 AM
I love the look of your truck. That's exactly what I'd like to get for our family (I need the six seat version which is uber rare) I was hoping for a good used one but they just don't seem to exist at all so I'm waiting until the kids are all facing forward and I'll find a six-seater doublecab which is a bit more common

Thanks for the kind comment! You can find the Crewmax configuration with a 6 seat option. Yes, they are rare, but they are out there...I have been out for several backcountry adventures in the Tundra, and my expectations have been exceeded. I love this truck!


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/bigwapitijohnny/Shadyboy%20awning/IMG_0235.jpg

Regards,

BWJ