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NorthernWoodsman
01-03-2012, 08:31 PM
So, this past weekend while returning from a day of snowshoeing up near Mt. Hood I heard the telltale clicking indicative of a bad CV joint. It was just confirmed to me that it is definitely bad.

I was considering going with a Toyota reman axle from the dealer- $200. The mechanic quoted ~$135 for some brand he uses, didn't catch the name brand.

Does anyone have any recommendations on potential other options? Or should I stick with Toyota brand?

TRDPARTS4U
01-03-2012, 08:54 PM
The Toyota factory and factory reman. CVs seem to hold up better. This is based off customer use and personal experience. The Oreily's around here used to have reman CVS for roughly $100.00 plus a core. I broke 3 of those in one weekend, granted I was not overlanding. :elkgrin:

Jacque

Stick Figure
01-03-2012, 08:55 PM
I personally have sworn off auto parts store axles. Years ago I had a performance shop and we would often need to purchase axles sets for engine swaps etc. Usually it took a few tries to get them with joints that would actually move freely. Most of the time they would have a severe bind in them. When it came to my own vehicle I decided to see what would happen with one of these. It actually locked up at a slight bend and bounced the hell out of the front of my car at one point.

I would either talk to a drive shaft/axle re builder or buy new from Toyota.

cruiseroutfit
01-04-2012, 04:18 AM
Toyota.

upcountry
01-04-2012, 01:01 PM
Slightly off topic but is there anyone making a "high angle" joint or boot? If so is it really "high angle" or just repackaged with a different label.

And, what would make a joint high angle as far as design goes?

When I get to replacing my joints I am thinking new lca and spindle gusset.

FLYFISHEXPERT
01-04-2012, 01:18 PM
What type of driving do you do?

I have been happy with the new NAPA cvs I installed last fall. They have done well on all of our trips. I don't do any driving through boulder strewn fields though.

Gerdo
01-04-2012, 03:29 PM
Go with a rebuilt Toyota OE axles only. The only exception appears to be NAPAs, they seem to be OK. Most auto parts store CV axles are made from junk steel that is poorly heat treated. Yes, they have lift time warranty but when the stub breaks off inside the diff, it sucks to get out. Also some of the store axles will bind to the point that the wheels won't roll.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i115/Gerdo_2006/4runner/BrokenCV2.jpg

Here is a ton of info and another alternative http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/54708-how-many-cvs-have-you-broken.html

As far as a "high angle" joint or boot? If you are wearing thru boots due to rubbing from lifting. Try this http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/90980-stretch-your-cv-boots.html

You can have your axles refurbished at a local shop. (driveline, axle repair)

01tundra
01-04-2012, 04:38 PM
The Toyota factory and factory reman. CVs seem to hold up better. This is based off customer use and personal experience. The Oreily's around here used to have reman CVS for roughly $100.00 plus a core. I broke 3 of those in one weekend, granted I was not overlanding. :elkgrin:

Jacque

Jacque - Do you guys sell remanufactured axles? I looked on you website, but all I could find were $350 new ones, at least I'm assuming (hoping) that was for new ones.

NothingClever
01-04-2012, 04:49 PM
Toyota.

Thanks, Kurt....your endorsement is gold.

TACODOC
01-04-2012, 05:02 PM
Toyota.

x2

TangoBlue
01-04-2012, 05:23 PM
X3... when I had CV's. I also carried a spare.

TRDPARTS4U
01-04-2012, 05:51 PM
Jacque - Do you guys sell remanufactured axles? I looked on you website, but all I could find were $350 new ones, at least I'm assuming (hoping) that was for new ones.


We do. The factory reman. CVs are $130.49 plus a $75.00 core. 1st gen Tacoma reman. CV p/n 43430-04020-84.

Theizzardking
01-04-2012, 05:51 PM
x4 OEM only

as for the unanswered long travel question total chaos makes one $$$$, half way down the page if you wanna look or i copied the description for you.
http://www.chaosfab.com/toyaccess_taco.php


96-04 Tacoma & 96-02 4 Runner 4wd Long Travel Modified Axles
Required to retain the 4wd assembly on the Tacoma 4wd long travel kit, TOTAL CHAOS offers a pre modified ready to install axle shaft for auto locking hub vehicles. TC takes remanufactured Toyota Tundra axle shafts and modifies them to achieve the full 13 of wheel travel that the TC long travel kit will provide. The axle shafts also include high angle inner CV boots with new clamps and come ready to install. Axles will fit any 96-04 Tacoma and 96-02 4Runner equipped with the TC long travel kit.
*Available for Automatic Locking Hubs Only.
PT# - 96300 Auto Hub Axles - Price: $889.00(pr)

dyogim
01-04-2012, 06:16 PM
If $$$ is no object, you can always see about getting a set of custom Cornay CV joints....

http://www.cornay.com/index.cfm/CVX_vs_Legacy_Technologies

NorthernWoodsman
01-05-2012, 01:20 AM
Whoa, I neglected to look back at this thread since yesterday afternoon. Thanks for all of the responses everyone.

I decided to stick with OEM Toyota on the axle. I had sort of pre made up my mind, but wanted to check in and see what others recommended or had experience with. That's how I've learned about so many great options on other parts. Quality of the steel and overall product was one issue I had when considering non Toyota options. Oddly, I had considered NAPA as a close second possibility. Also, after losing my front drivers side hub and learning how good the Aisin hubs were in my search for new hubs, it was sort of cemented in my mind how good much of the factory Toyota parts really are.

Part was ordered today and I should be picking it up tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully, I will get it installed next week. Wish I had the time, tools, and space to do it myself, but this time the mechanic gets the job.

Thanks again for everyone's advice!

RMP&O
01-05-2012, 01:34 AM
RCV is what I would recommend....type RCV axle in google. Nothing off the shelf, they can custom make it no probs. You will never touch another CV again.

NorthernWoodsman
01-05-2012, 01:59 AM
RCV is what I would recommend....type RCV axle in google. Nothing off the shelf, they can custom make it no probs. You will never touch another CV again.

$2,500.00/set?!?! Whoa!!! I'm sure they're really nice, but I think I'll have to stick with my little $200 Toyota axle for now.

BMThiker
01-05-2012, 05:11 PM
I'd rather break a CV than a ring gear any day on the trail. That's the only reason I haven't gone with RCV's. Stick with Toyota and save the clicking one for a spare.

If I were racing my rig, then RCV would make more sense to me.

01tundra
01-05-2012, 05:22 PM
I'd rather break a CV than a ring gear any day on the trail. That's the only reason I haven't gone with RCV's. Stick with Toyota and save the clicking one for a spare.

If I were racing my rig, then RCV would make more sense to me.

Exactly, keep beefing up the outer, easy to replace parts, and you're actually just moving your weak link in, to deeper, more expensive parts.....ask me how I know :)! I've set up R&P's in the field (literally) more than once and it's no where near as fun as a 20 minute CV axle swap.

FJLED
01-05-2012, 05:50 PM
Slightly off topic but is there anyone making a "high angle" joint or boot? If so is it really "high angle" or just repackaged with a different label.

And, what would make a joint high angle as far as design goes?

When I get to replacing my joints I am thinking new lca and spindle gusset.

My question back to you is why would you need a "high angle" joint if you aren't exceeding the OEM joint capabilities. On the FJC the OEM inner handles over 13" of travel which is more than most long travel kits even offer (Total Chaos advertisments are off as well as Camburgs...neither offers their respective travel #s out of the box).


as for the unanswered long travel question total chaos makes one $$$$, half way down the page if you wanna look or i copied the description for you.
http://www.chaosfab.com/toyaccess_taco.php


96-04 Tacoma & 96-02 4 Runner 4wd Long Travel Modified Axles
Required to retain the 4wd assembly on the Tacoma 4wd long travel kit, TOTAL CHAOS offers a pre modified ready to install axle shaft for auto locking hub vehicles. TC takes remanufactured Toyota Tundra axle shafts and modifies them to achieve the full 13” of wheel travel that the TC long travel kit will provide. The axle shafts also include high angle inner CV boots with new clamps and come ready to install. Axles will fit any 96-04 Tacoma and 96-02 4Runner equipped with the TC long travel kit.
*Available for Automatic Locking Hubs Only.
PT# - 96300 Auto Hub Axles - Price: $889.00(pr)

Still runs the OEM CV. Its just an extended shaft for the wider suspension with OEM inner and outer joints. I know on the FJC that same 3.5" kit doesn't yield 13" nor does their 2" kit offer 11.5" of travel.



RCV is what I would recommend....type RCV axle in google. Nothing off the shelf, they can custom make it no probs. You will never touch another CV again.

RCV is a great company and they stand behind their products 100%. They will handle more angle than OEM, but don't anticipate a major gain and keep in mind the greater the angle you are at the reduced strength of the inner joint.


For those under the impression that the front differential will now break on your 4runner/taco/FJC with upgraded axles and joints, I suggest looking at the inner joint in more detail before jumping to that conclusion. Just another fyi the 9" differentials are handling all the power and travel the Ultra4 IFS setups are tossing at them without any major issues (much more travel and power). Most of these "expedition" vehicles running 8" front diffs in much less stressful environments with much less power....properly installed gear should be fine. Then again, there's always opportunity for improvement if not :ylsmoke:

01tundra
01-05-2012, 06:31 PM
I snapped the head off the factory pinion shaft of my '01 Tundra with stock CV's.

Predicting breakage is almost impossible due to all the variables. But I've seen enough bad breaks, including transfer case output shafts, to know that you need to keep all these things in mind when doing modifications. I always prefered to have my locking hubs be the weak link with a manual front end.

Then there's always the CTM super joints and chromoly axles that help make these little jewels.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/01tundra/RP1.jpg

FJLED
01-05-2012, 06:47 PM
Wasn't refering to the tundra, but specifically FJC/Taco/4runner which run the same differential. I've shaved quite a few teeth of a 4 low gear set in a lefty without the OEM CVs flinching. That being said, I've yet to see folks tearing through their front diffs on a consistement basis (even those with RCVs). Even some of the Taco folks running 37s seem to be surviving fine on 8" front differentials and the 9" center has become the standard for the 4400 series IFS crowd (again much more power and loading go through those).

My point was, to say that you've now moved your "weak link" to the differential, is not neccessarily true. Take a close look at the inner 930 joint throughout travel on RCVs and you'll see what I'm refering to.

BMThiker
01-05-2012, 08:39 PM
I've only damaged my front R/P once and it was when the rear R/P failed on the trail and I drove it home in front wheel drive. It wasn't a catastrophic failure, but it was making a bad meshing noise.

So I cannot speak directly to the R/P failing before the CV does, if you install bomb-proof upgrade axles. I am speaking from my own self confidence based on my own wheeling style and trail-side repair knowledge. I've broken several OEM CV's and its always the outer cage and housing that has failed. The shaft has never broken, nor the tripod inner joint.

The last CV I installed was a cheap "FEQ" branded $99 axle assembly. After daily driving on it for a month and then snapping it in the first mud hole I got stuck in, I'm pretty convinced the outer housing was cracked before it was installed (probably a reman that got by QA/QC). The cracked pieces of the outer housing I was able to recover already had rust in them. So I ponied up for a Toyota axle and feel much more confident about it. My Toyota parts guy says they don't have OEM remans for the FJC yet, but they do for Tacos and 4R's. Not sure what the actual compatability really is between FJC v. Taco v. 4R.