Who would be interested in a 2012 "End of the World" Maya Rally?

[Christian P.]

A couple of friends and I have been toying with the idea of putting together a one-time event to coincide with the apocalyptic vision of the Mayan people.

:sombrero:

We would be putting together an expedition/rally/treasure hunt from the USA to Tikal (or nearby) in December 2012 - so we can be at a premier Mayan site on the Dec 21st 2012 "end of the world" date.

The overall plan is to drive from the USA with your own vehicle, collect some items along the way that are essential to survive, and accumulate points in the process. Whomever finishes with the highest number of points would win a significant prize.

The rally would end nearby a Mayan site with some sort of celebration. It would not be about speed and would be open to all kinds of vehicles. Spaces would be limited.

This is still just a crazy idea and we have not put much research into it, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.

Would you participate? Would you like to help organizing it?

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[4xdog]

I love the idea. Work would try to in the way of my participating, but I'd seriously try to do this, and follow with great interest no matter what. Keep working on this!

Don

[Airmonger]

Work be damned the worlds going to end so might as well go out in style.

What's the trips duration? Just in case I have to call my boss and ask for my job back should the apocalypse not happen.

[trump]

I would be in to participate, but would need a solid info soon to start arranging logistics on my end.

[Haggis]

That is a really cool and brilliant idea! What an awesomely irrelevant idea for a trip and sounds like it could be a ton of fun.

I can't make it though...I will be needed here to lead and guide the newly released, rampaging hordes of the Sparmish Army if by chance some of humanity does survive. Why does work and responsibility always get in the way of all the best trips?

[Esmi]

I'll go.

[jaxs1984]

That sounds awesome. Count me in.

[TangoBlue]

Will there be virgin sacrifices?

[ihatemybike]

This is an awesome idea. If it comes to pass, I hope we can figure out a way to be part of it.

[TACODOC]

Christian, I'm all in ;)

[trump]

Will there be virgin sacrifices?

Maybe... Problem is where to find'em these days.

[TACODOC]

Will there be virgin sacrifices?

Don't worry Tim, you're in no danger :)

[cnynrat]

My niece is currently serving in the Peace Corps in Guatemala, so this could be a good opportunity to visit her down there. Definitely an interesting idea.

[forsakenfuture]

I wish the world would end...I sure could use a vaction.

[haven]

Two possibilities: The contest might help people see there is little to fear from a road trip across Mexico. Or the flashy vehicles with prominent rally markings might be a tempting target for criminals and the Mexican traffic police.

[Christian P.]

thanks all for the positive feedback so far!

there are obviously many obstacles and logistics to sort out. But I think with the right spirit, this could be a very exciting and fun challenge.

We are still brainstorming about all this but I would like to take a decision quickly, so keep sending your thoughts!

[RMP&O]

I think it is an outstanding idea! I would like to particapate, it would simply depend on available funds at the time for me. As far as actual time to do the trip, I would be able to do it during December.

[1leglance]

We have long been joking about doing a cool end of the world trip..
Making it in Mexico as part of the Mayan thing is super cool.
Me & mine are in depending on the dates...I would want to make it worth the doing (as in not too fast a trip) but no way to make it more than 3-4 weeks without messing up the work thing (I am already taking 2 months off to travel to Oz this summer)

[trump]

Just talked with my wife about this. Christian, if you make this happen, we're all in.

[shortbus4x4]

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[Dirtytires]

From my house to Mexico I would need a month to travel.. but it sure sounds fun, ,
Maybe a mini run for us who are Overland Virgins (me), according to google maps
it is 3279.4 mi, 55 hr 41 min. I would need a new back.. Or we could do the Georgia run.lol

[Detslider]

I'm in. We've already been planning a Maya run. Though I have family (including an uncle who's a tour guide at the ruins) in Chetumal Mexico so that's where we'll be spending the end of days. There is land for camping. If you want to go to the ruins in that area I can possibly arrange to host other overlanders.

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[cruiseroutfit]

Love it! :cool:

[shortbus4x4]

We have long been joking about doing a cool end of the world trip..
Making it in Mexico as part of the Mayan thing is super cool.
Me & mine are in depending on the dates...I would want to make it worth the doing (as in not too fast a trip) but no way to make it more than 3-4 weeks without messing up the work thing (I am already taking 2 months off to travel to Oz this summer)

Gonna take the burb.:)

[yellocoyote]

If I can swing it, I'd definitely be on board!

[zeroland]

Fantastic idea... a quick Google map route planner indicates Austin, TX to Honduras temples are about 2000miles apart. Totally doable for this trip! Mexico is obviously closer...

[Mc Taco]

Cool idea. I'd love to do it, but would not want to be anywhere near a Mayan site around that time. The crowds of crystal wearing freaks would be worse the Vegas or Times Square on New Years Eve. Not in total numbers, just in weirdness. Good luck. I'll read the trip report from the blackness of emptiness.

[1leglance]

Gonna take the burb.:)

Heck yeah...why do you think I am about to put in a 6.2L diesel...so I can run veggie oil since when the end of the world comes there won't be any oil companies left :)
And Mexico has plenty of veggie oil for cooking up all that good food!

[Christian P.]

A few more details/comments on how this could potentially work...

The Rally would most likely officially start somewhere in Mexico, so people driving from the West Coast and the East Coast have a chance to start from a common point.
I will be over a period of about 10 days, and will end on Dec 21st. It may or may not be exactly at Tikal, we would be working with a local Expedition company to organize that part....(I'll let you guess which one...)

For those of you who are also more nervous about safety in Northern Mexico, it would also allow to drive down in a convoy or go around through Baja.

We'll make it flexible so the exact starting date can change, but the big finish party would be on Dec 21st.

It would not be about speed, but about collecting points. I really would like to see some older and fun vehicles in it, such as the Land Rover that we just got at Expo.

It would also be doable with any car, not necessarily 4wd, although we'd make sure to include some optional offroad for those who wants it!

The route would most likely take you through Chiapas, Yucatan, Belize and Guatemala.

I am also thinking that it would be cool to have a special category for those who wants to drive "end of the world" emergency vehicle, such as Ambulance and Firetruck.
This is just a very preliminary thought, but it would be cool to be able to donate these vehicles to local communities when the rally is finish. The importation permit makes this very difficult, but perhaps with the right contact in Guatemala or Belize we could arrange something.

Also there would be an entry fee (not sure what the right amount could be) to cover expenses, but we would still like to keep this low so it's not a challenge for anyone.
It would be however nice to give back some money for a local charity, such as the organization who manages/restore/maintain the Maya sites.

We would also make sure to gather some nice prizes for the first positions.

So there you have it, these are the general ideas behind this rally.

What do you guys think? Is anyone interested to help?

I reserved the domain, just in case...

www.mayarally.com

:)

[shortbus4x4]

I probably won't be able to go due to family/work but am following this closely.

[TACODOC]

This was a hard secret to keep Christian. You have my contact info ;)

[Redline]

Though maybe not as technical (4x4), could be in the spirit of the Mongol Rally as far as having some fun and adventure?

Sounds interesting. :)

[MattScott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlvKLVwRgbs

[RMP&O]

^That is good! :beer:

[Rocket-scientist]

Damn, time to get a passport :)

Sounds like fun. Depends on mileage, time, and the needs of the Marine Corps, but I am very interested! Maybe I can bring my brother since he is into all the conspiracy theory crap.

[Christian P.]

This was a hard secret to keep Christian. You have my contact info ;)

yes don't worry, you are on the top of my list!

:)

[Christian P.]

Though maybe not as technical (4x4), could be in the spirit of the Mongol Rally as far as having some fun and adventure?

Sounds interesting. :)

yes that's the spirit I would like to create.

[1leglance]

I like the general concept...
But here are my "devils advocate" thoughts:
Keep the fee as low as possible and make it clear that any extra goes to a charity..then make sure you tell everyone how much that it and who it went to.

Make sure you have trophies for the top 2-3 in each class...a small plaque (local made helps the local economy) or something is way better than any sponsor pack of stuff we could buy at home. Also don't just have a 1st place overall and that is it, have a few classes and some odd ball extras (team spirit, party animals and such)

Make sure it is not a mad-dash, don't see anything but get your checklist completed, only stay at these locations type event.... I know, I know, every organizer says they won't but it is easy to end up that way.

Think about the return trip also, being in Maya land for Dec 21st is cool, but many people will have to be home for Christmas so make sure the event allows people to hit the road Dec 22nd at a reasonable time, matter of fact a great event planner would have info on where/how people could ship a rig home and fly to get there quicker.

Be very careful you don't take a great SIMPLE idea and "just one more thing" it to death. The vehicle donation, emergency vehicles and all that sounds great on paper....but what was wrong with a fun trip with a bit of a game thrown in? Does is have to be Mongol Rally?

I hope I haven't rained on any parade...that isn't my desire. I just wanted to offer some early stage thoughts to help it be a great event.

[Redline]

snip...
Think about the return trip also, being in Maya land for Dec 21st is cool, but many people will have to be home for Christmas so make sure the event allows people to hit the road Dec 22nd at a reasonable time, matter of fact a great event planner would have info on where/how people could ship a rig home and fly to get there quicker.
snip...

Those are a couple details that crossed my mind too. Missing Christmas for me and/or my wife would be a big deal with my family. Being able to drive or fly home for Christmas might be a requirement.

[mrshish]

I mentioned this to my wife in passing not thinking she would like the idea. Surprisingly she jumped at the opportunity. We need some real details but there is a good chance we can swing it.

[ExpediT-100n]

I am also thinking that it would be cool to have a special category for those who wants to drive "end of the world" emergency vehicle, such as Ambulance and Firetruck.This is just a very preliminary thought, but it would be cool to be able to donate these vehicles to local communities when the rally is finish. The importation permit makes this very difficult, but perhaps with the right contact in Guatemala or Belize we could arrange something.
:)


I imported three vehicles to Guatemala several years ago to fund two trips I made there. The importation taxes on one of my trucks was $800 (US). I can tell you that Guatemala has pretty relaxed requirements for importation of vehicles while El Salvador does not. El Salvador requires 1996 or newer vehicles if I remember correctly This might be something for you to look into further. It might be good to do some fund raising to cover the importation taxes so that the donation does not burden the recipient

I love your idea and wish I had the time to do this with you. I am sure my opportunity will come later.

Kevin

[Ruined Adventures]

Great idea! We're selfish though, so we're going to get started 10 months early just to beat the crowds...


I am also thinking that it would be cool to have a special category for those who wants to drive "end of the world" emergency vehicle, such as Ambulance and Firetruck.
This is just a very preliminary thought, but it would be cool to be able to donate these vehicles to local communities when the rally is finish. The importation permit makes this very difficult, but perhaps with the right contact in Guatemala or Belize we could arrange something.

It would be however nice to give back some money for a local charity, such as the organization who manages/restore/maintain the Maya sites.

Very cool. That should earn competitors serious bonus points, considering most donated emergency vehicles that head south are in serious mechanical peril...they tend to get funneled down from bigger FD's with better funding to smaller volunteer FD's with less money, then they finally reach the bottom rung being donated to Latin American bomberos who make anything work.

I like the general concept...
But here are my "devils advocate" thoughts:
Keep the fee as low as possible and make it clear that any extra goes to a charity..then make sure you tell everyone how much that it and who it went to.

Make sure you have trophies for the top 2-3 in each class...a small plaque (local made helps the local economy) or something is way better than any sponsor pack of stuff we could buy at home. Also don't just have a 1st place overall and that is it, have a few classes and some odd ball extras (team spirit, party animals and such)

Make sure it is not a mad-dash, don't see anything but get your checklist completed, only stay at these locations type event.... I know, I know, every organizer says they won't but it is easy to end up that way.

Amen. It could be like golf, lowest scores win. Penalty points for staying at mega 5-star resorts/hotels, while rough camping or staying in mom & pop campgrounds/hostels should keep you "at par". Same should go for eating...buying food at the markets or eating at small establishments vs. the chain Hooters in Mazatlan...basically, the more you challenge yourself and "rough it", supporting the small businesses along the way, the better your final score. :sombrero:

[Christian P.]

Amen. It could be like golf, lowest scores win. Penalty points for staying at mega 5-star resorts/hotels, while rough camping or staying in mom & pop campgrounds/hostels should keep you "at par". Same should go for eating...buying food at the markets or eating at small establishments vs. the chain Hooters in Mazatlan...basically, the more you challenge yourself and "rough it", supporting the small businesses along the way, the better your final score. :sombrero:

I really like that idea!

As for coming back from Christmas, that is of course understandable and there are a few options I have thought about:

-driving back, although it depends where you live. if you leave on the 21st, you could make it on the 24th, but that's tight.
-fly home and the vehicle back from Belize, apparently there is a company there that could bring you car back to Miami
-fly home and come back later to get your vehicle
-fly home and "donate" your vehicle, if we can find a non-costly way to do that.

[barlowrs]

Work permitting, but I am defiantly going to try to make this!

[Esmi]

I really like that idea!

As for coming back from Christmas, that is of course understandable and there are a few options I have thought about:

-driving back, although it depends where you live. if you leave on the 21st, you could make it on the 24th, but that's tight.
-fly home and the vehicle back from Belize, apparently there is a company there that could bring you car back to Miami
-fly home and come back later to get your vehicle
-fly home and "donate" your vehicle, if we can find a non-costly way to do that.

Or some clever band of ExPo opportunists could start up a cottage industry of driving vehicles back up after the rally.

In yachting, often sailors coast down the Baja California coast for awhile, then fly home and hire a captain to do the "Baja Bash" to get their boat back home.

Might be a low-cost way for someone to do a partial Cent Am trip -- or at least Mexico.

Just thinking out loud.

[1leglance]

It would be good for the event planner to look into vehicle storage in the area for those for might choose the storage of rig option (one I like, fly back a few months later to continue a journey).

[Flagster]

for those for might choose the storage of rig option (one I like, fly back a few months later to continue a journey).

Or NOT????? isn't this the end of world rally

[MattScott]

Or NOT????? isn't this the end of world rally

X2

I love how "Expedition Portal's New Land Rover" was volunteered to go to the epicenter of the end of the world. Which means me. Cool beans Christian! Thanks Bro!

[RMP&O]

I wold be happy to drive anybodies truck back from CA or Mexico. As long as you pay for my expenses and provide me with a small fee for my time.

[TangoBlue]

I wold be happy to drive anybodies truck back from CA or Mexico. As long as you pay for my expenses and provide me with a small fee for my time.

Danke schoen Ian. We've seen that before...

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp22/TangoBlue/ferrari-250-gt-s-cal-920-13.jpg

Anyone... anyone...

[evldave]

If my canoe trip up north doesn't end up working out, I'd be interested...

A few questions (I'm a newb at Mexico vehicle travel, so excuse me if these are too simple...)

Would this be a 'group trip' or more of an individual go-your-own-way type of competition?

Would travel down there in an H3 w/military trailer be a good idea? (yeah, I know, but that's what I drive, so might be a dealbreaker)

Would the organizers handle the paperwork/insurance/etc needed for a trip like this? If not, would there be an 'info packet' for us to help navigate all the necessary stuff...

Roughly how long do you think it would take to complete?

Assuming eating at mostly local places and sleeping in a RTT, what would be a reasonable daily budget for food/non-vehicle expenses?

I'm definitely interested, would be a great way to finish off 2012 (and beyond?)!

[FLYFISHEXPERT]

My wife and I have been thinking of driving to Tulum, Mexico and then on to Belize, and possibly Costa Rica, about this time frame. We may just tie this in with our trip, we are flexible on dates, planning on taking 2+ weeks off around this time.

[LaOutbackTrail]

We are having our second child in less than two months and my wife is using some of her vacation time to stay home longer. We are planning a trip south of the border November 17-25 and will only use 3 days of vacation time for that. If anyone is planning to take longer to start the End of the World, you are more than welcome to join us in Northeastern Mexico. Route will consist of a gauntlet run to the mountains southeast of Monterrey then several days in the mountains with a trip down to Real de Catorce before returning north. 4wd required, snorkel recommended.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Forgive me if I am speaking out of place here...

But, I would think its generally safe to say that you will be responsible for doing the border crossing part yourself. Its a piece of cake really. You might want to hook up with someone who has done it before or at least share the experience with another newb.

A Mexican colleague of mine has an H3T in Mexico City, and I've seen Escalades with spinners headed for Pueblo. As long as your military trailer isn't a military color (matte tan or camo) I wouldn't worry about it...

Street tacos with a coke will cost you $2 or less. I generally budget about $15/day for food in Mexico. Street tacos for breakfast/lunch and a decent dinner in the evening.

That's my 2 cents.


If my canoe trip up north doesn't end up working out, I'd be interested...

A few questions (I'm a newb at Mexico vehicle travel, so excuse me if these are too simple...)

Would this be a 'group trip' or more of an individual go-your-own-way type of competition?

Would travel down there in an H3 w/military trailer be a good idea? (yeah, I know, but that's what I drive, so might be a dealbreaker)

Would the organizers handle the paperwork/insurance/etc needed for a trip like this? If not, would there be an 'info packet' for us to help navigate all the necessary stuff...

Roughly how long do you think it would take to complete?

Assuming eating at mostly local places and sleeping in a RTT, what would be a reasonable daily budget for food/non-vehicle expenses?

I'm definitely interested, would be a great way to finish off 2012 (and beyond?)!

[Christian P.]

Some answers below:


If my canoe trip up north doesn't end up working out, I'd be interested...

A few questions (I'm a newb at Mexico vehicle travel, so excuse me if these are too simple...)

Would this be a 'group trip' or more of an individual go-your-own-way type of competition?

i think it could be both. if people wants to gather and drive together into Mexico, that's totally fine. if they prefer to go on their own, that would be okay too.

Would travel down there in an H3 w/military trailer be a good idea? (yeah, I know, but that's what I drive, so might be a dealbreaker)

np.

Would the organizers handle the paperwork/insurance/etc needed for a trip like this? If not, would there be an 'info packet' for us to help navigate all the necessary stuff...

the information is widely available on the net. we can help with some references but participants would be on their own at the actual crossing.

Roughly how long do you think it would take to complete?

very roughly 2 weeks, but we don't want to make it a race. if peoeple wants to take more or less, that would be their choice.

Assuming eating at mostly local places and sleeping in a RTT, what would be a reasonable daily budget for food/non-vehicle expenses?

$20/day should be sufficient, but don't forget that tolls can be expensive if you drive on the freeway in Mexico.

I'm definitely interested, would be a great way to finish off 2012 (and beyond?)!

[Christian P.]

Looks like we are getting some momentum on this.

2 notes:

How many of you have a problem with this date being so close to Christmas? Unfortunately I don't have much control on this as it was decided by the Mayas 1000 years ago but we could make it so people having to leave earlier would still be eligible to win.

If we do that, I REALLY need to have some help on the IT side (well, I would need an entire team as I don't personally have much time to invest).
But right now I would need someone to design and maintain a website.
Any volunteer?

[mrshish]

The timing isn't our first choice but hey, the end of the world only happens once.

[womacje]

Great idea!

[Christian P.]

Looks like we will be doing it!

Now I really need someone who can build a website. any volunteer?

[ssssnake529]

From the Daily Mail:

"While many people may regard today as simply another day on the advent calendar before Christmas arrives, in Mexico it marks the beginning of a year-long party.
According to some interpretations of the ancient Maya calendar, December 21, 2012 signifies the end of the world and people in the southeastern part of Mexico - the heart of Maya territory - are planning to party hard just in case they're right. And hopefully turn a profit at the same time.
Mexico's tourism agency expects to draw 52 million visitors over the coming year just to the five states richest in Maya heritage. Mexico as a whole is expected to lure just 22 million foreigners this year."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2077034/Maya-end-world-countdown-Mexico-predicts-tourism-boom-2012.html#ixzz1jOwfy2sC

[REDrum]

tagged.... I'll bring the blue body paint.... :sombrero:

[6string]

Looks like we will be doing it!

Now I really need someone who can build a website. any volunteer?

Happy to help, Christian. PM in your inbox.


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[Christian P.]

yes indeed...



From the Daily Mail:

"While many people may regard today as simply another day on the advent calendar before Christmas arrives, in Mexico it marks the beginning of a year-long party.
According to some interpretations of the ancient Maya calendar, December 21, 2012 signifies the end of the world and people in the southeastern part of Mexico - the heart of Maya territory - are planning to party hard just in case they're right. And hopefully turn a profit at the same time.
Mexico's tourism agency expects to draw 52 million visitors over the coming year just to the five states richest in Maya heritage. Mexico as a whole is expected to lure just 22 million foreigners this year."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2077034/Maya-end-world-countdown-Mexico-predicts-tourism-boom-2012.html#ixzz1jOwfy2sC

[Christian P.]

well, it looks like we are on with this project. Lot of interest already. Just need to confirm a couple things this week.

Get your maps and your stomach ready...

Thanks for all of you who have offered help so far, I will contact you soon if I haven't already.

[Christian P.]

If anyone has some free time and some graphic design skills....it would be nice to get a logo for the Rally!

Something perhaps like a 4x4 and vintage rally vehicle right next to the Tikal pyramid...

thank you!

[RMP&O]

Danke schoen Ian. We've seen that before...

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp22/TangoBlue/ferrari-250-gt-s-cal-920-13.jpg

Anyone... anyone...

Hey now....

I don't own any red vehicles! ;)

[TACODOC]

well, it looks like we are on with this project. Lot of interest already. Just need to confirm a couple things this week.

Get your maps and your stomach ready...

Thanks for all of you who have offered help so far, I will contact you soon if I haven't already.

:victory:

[TACODOC]

This is going to be awesome!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/20110319_Tikal_002.jpg

[PirateMcGee]

I'm possibly interested in this as a passenger if someone has room, I would pay my way and take lots o pics. I would need to fly out to be home for christmas...

[TACODOC]

Posted in my news section, I'll add more as I know more :costumed-smiley-007

MAYA RALLY 2012 (tacodoc.com/?page_id=1405)

[REDrum]

I could assist with this. Are you looking for more of an illustration or logo? A logo, imo, being more of a symbol than an cartoon type illustration (i.e like the Dakar Rally logo utilizing a N. African turban)

If you would like me to do a few sketches, PM me offline and we can take the next steps.

PS, not looking for any compensation...

[Team Harrington]

This is very interesting. Would love to be a part of the rally. Need more info to get the planning and prepping going.

[mrshish]

Just to toss out my $0.02. My vote is more off road oriented then on, this is an expedition forum after all and I would rather be away from the masses. I think 4x4 would be required but we wouldn't need to do anything extreme. My guess is most people here are already running 4x4 so it shouldn't matter much.

I would also like getting out to little known, off the beaten path, places and especially Mayan ruins rather then having to do something in the middle of Mexico City.

[Christian P.]

pm sent

[Small_words]

Take a look at 99designs.com They're inexpensive and have a lot of great ideas.

[EverRidesurf]

The words should "run to the hills"

[Dgurley2000]

Do you know if this will be a family friendly event? Anyone planning on bringing their kids?

[shortbus4x4]

Do you know if this will be a family friendly event? Anyone planning on bringing their kids?

Good question. If I can go I will bring a few of mine. Of course thats a big IF.

[Christian P.]

Do you know if this will be a family friendly event? Anyone planning on bringing their kids?

yes, I don't think that would be an issue. there might be a couple of "late night celebrations" along the way but other than that, I don't see a reason why not.

[bobDog]

[QUOTE=Christian P.;1020296]A couple of friends and I have been toying with the idea of putting together a one-time event to coincide with the apocalyptic vision of the Mayan people.

:sombrero:

We would be putting together an expedition/rally/treasure hunt from the USA to Tikal (or nearby) in December 2012 - so we can be at a premier Mayan site on the Dec 21st 2012 "end of the world" date.

The overall plan is to drive from the USA with your own vehicle, collect some items along the way that are essential to survive, and accumulate points in the process. Whomever finishes with the highest number of points would win a significant prize.

The rally would end nearby a Mayan site with some sort of celebration. It would not be about speed and would be open to all kinds of vehicles. Spaces would be limited.

This is still just a crazy idea and we have not put much research into it, but I'm curious to see what you guys think.

Would you participate? Would you like to help organizing it?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WGsiRVi1L4M/TvJBpUrg00I/AAAAAAAAAwc/woxoC2Gjuzk/s1600/2012movie-2.jpg[/QUOTE Gives a whole new meaning to the term "Finish Line". After 7 years of sick.......this seems like I might just be interested. Subscribed!!!!

[clcoyle]

Sounds very intriguing... We will try to make a plan to attend.

[bobDog]

Will there be virgin sacrifices?Damned...hadn't even considered that........wow....we don't have to bring our own do we?? I not sure I know any qualified subjects......O well almost a year to find my group.....XJ's just have 4 seat capacity.:coffeedrink:

[bobDog]

Don't worry Tim, you're in no danger :)LOL:coffeedrink:

[bobDog]

I wish the world would end...I sure could use a vaction.Easy out! Jeeeez ..... Lazy ending.
:coffeedrink:

[bobDog]

Heck yeah...why do you think I am about to put in a 6.2L diesel...so I can run veggie oil since when the end of the world comes there won't be any oil companies left :)
And Mexico has plenty of veggie oil for cooking up all that good food! New Year = more french frys???:victory:

[6string]

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Twitter is, too. (https://twitter.com/#!/2012MayaRally)

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The end is near.

[bobDog]

I like the general concept...
But here are my "devils advocate" thoughts:
Keep the fee as low as possible and make it clear that any extra goes to a charity..then make sure you tell everyone how much that it and who it went to.

Make sure you have trophies for the top 2-3 in each class...a small plaque (local made helps the local economy) or something is way better than any sponsor pack of stuff we could buy at home. Also don't just have a 1st place overall and that is it, have a few classes and some odd ball extras (team spirit, party animals and such)

Make sure it is not a mad-dash, don't see anything but get your checklist completed, only stay at these locations type event.... I know, I know, every organizer says they won't but it is easy to end up that way.

Think about the return trip also, being in Maya land for Dec 21st is cool, but many people will have to be home for Christmas so make sure the event allows people to hit the road Dec 22nd at a reasonable time, matter of fact a great event planner would have info on where/how people could ship a rig home and fly to get there quicker.

Be very careful you don't take a great SIMPLE idea and "just one more thing" it to death. The vehicle donation, emergency vehicles and all that sounds great on paper....but what was wrong with a fun trip with a bit of a game thrown in? Does is have to be Mongol Rally?

I hope I haven't rained on any parade...that isn't my desire. I just wanted to offer some early stage thoughts to help it be a great event.If I go it will because my health finally allows it and it's the END OF THE WORLD. I do not expect a trophy for that.......who would I show it too!!!!:wings:
All I expect is help if I get stuck parts if I need them and someone has em. Great company! If I was young I might hope for a few more things.....but I'm not. Would be a great place to be at Xmas time. Yessiree Bob (Dog):coffeedrink:

[bobDog]

Those are a couple details that crossed my mind too. Missing Christmas for me and/or my wife would be a big deal with my family. Being able to drive or fly home for Christmas might be a requirement. Geeeez! Its the end of the world.....what are you going to fly home to? come on, get in the spirit (no pun) of things!

[Boogalooper]

This would be awesome, celebrating the end of the world, at a Mayan site...chilling out on a temple (if you can even do that??)

I'm down...now just to hurry up and finish up the Jeep, if that doesn't pan out I may have to take the Jetta, but hey I'll take that thing off road for a chance of a life time.

[Redline]

Geeeez! Its the end of the world.....what are you going to fly home to? come on, get in the spirit (no pun) of things!

Call me a skeptic about the end of the world this year... ;)

I love the idea for the trip and party though :)

[LaOutbackTrail]

Has this question been asked? Won't many of the Mayan sites be the sight of a mass migration???

Even though it would be hectic, I'm down, I think it would be a once in a lifetime experience!

[Christian P.]

So everyone here is a question:

would you prefer:

a) ending around Palenque in Mexico/Yucatan Peninsula (or perhaps Cancun). Route would shorter and only one country to cross in. More people to party with.

b) ending in Guatemala around Tikal, going through Belize. Route would be longer and a bit more challenging (more border crossing).

thank you!

[TACODOC]

"B" for the Win!!!

More challenging!!!

[RusherRacing]

Its all about he journey not the destination..




I will follow along closesly - this sounds like it would be an awesome adventure! Not sure if I will have the time or the really a proper vehicle in the stable but I am going to be keeping my eye on it for sure and keeping my fingers crossed I can pull it off and actually go.

[trump]

"B" for the Win!!!

More challenging!!!

x2

The more countries we visit, the better.

[FLYFISHEXPERT]

x2

The more countries we visit, the better.

X3!!

[barlowrs]

Def B, more challenge and I'd rather stay away from the mass crowds

[LaOutbackTrail]

So everyone here is a question:

would you prefer:

a) ending around Palenque in Mexico/Yucatan Peninsula (or perhaps Cancun). Route would shorter and only one country to cross in. More people to party with.

b) ending in Guatemala around Tikal, going through Belize. Route would be longer and a bit more challenging (more border crossing).

thank you!

I am gathering information on another border crossing that would effectively reduce the transit time to Tikal (skip Belize) and would be more adventurous. Last report is there is a nice paved road on the Mexico side and a muddy, rutted track on the Guatemalan side. Import/export documentation not a problem at this sight. A friend will be in the area in one week and is due to report back on current status with a how-to for that crossing.

[6string]

So everyone here is a question:

would you prefer:

a) ending around Palenque in Mexico/Yucatan Peninsula (or perhaps Cancun). Route would shorter and only one country to cross in. More people to party with.

b) ending in Guatemala around Tikal, going through Belize. Route would be longer and a bit more challenging (more border crossing).

thank you!

As I'm sure many of us know, very limited options exist for getting into and out of Belize. If the previous chatter about twenty million visitors being in the area for this event bears any fruit (or even partial fruit), then things could get really crazy at those choke points. These are pretty small crossings, especially the San Ignacio one, and they could really turn into nightmares if we're trying to pass them with ten thousand other people who are also trying to get to their favorite ruin.

For me, I'm most worried about the hundreds of thousands of people (gulp... maybe millions?) trying to get out from their favorite ruins so they can rush back home for Christmas. Don't even get me started on how this might affect the countless northbound toll booths back in Mexico.

But this is not to say I won't do it. Quite the contrary. I just want to make everyone aware that it's going to be a freaking madhouse. As someone who just blew one full travel day simply getting into Mexico during the Christmas rush (http://centraloverland.com/2011/12/mgb1112-entry-two-mass-migracion/), I speak from recent experience. I'd hate for people to be timing a run to the rally down to the specific day, only to miss the whole cottonpickin' thing due to delays at the border. (Or, people who are timing a rush back home for Christmas with the family.... Talk about being in the doghouse! :oops:)

At least by hosting the event in Guatemala, participants would have multiple options for getting into and out of the country. By hosting in MX, this takes all of these small, understaffed crossings out of the equation. (But also robs some adventure.)

Just food for thought.

[6string]

I am gathering information on another border crossing that would effectively reduce the transit time to Tikal (skip Belize) and would be more adventurous. Last report is there is a nice paved road on the Mexico side and a muddy, rutted track on the Guatemalan side. Import/export documentation not a problem at this sight. A friend will be in the area in one week and is due to report back on current status with a how-to for that crossing.

If you're talking about El Ceibo, just ask Jeremy Edgar. He ran that route like six weeks ago. He'd be a great source of info.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Does Jeremy Edgar have a name? :costumed-smiley-007

[6string]

Does Jeremy Edgar have a name? :costumed-smiley-007

Dir of Ops at OJ.

I think it's safe to say someone on here knows where to find him. (Last I heard, he was on his way to South America.)

[Bill Beers]

...(Or, people who are timing a rush back home for Christmas with the family.... Talk about being in the doghouse! :oops:)...

It would be worth talking with our families about being away on Christmas. It's definitely a big day at my house, but just last Saturday my family and 3 other families sat down for Christmas dinner. Belated to be sure, but just as much fun.

[6string]

It would be worth talking with our families about being away on Christmas. It's definitely a big day at my house, but just last Saturday my family and 3 other families sat down for Christmas dinner. Belated to be sure, but just as much fun.

Us, too! Flexible families rule. Love mine. :D

[TACODOC]

Dir of Ops at OJ.

I think it's safe to say someone on here knows where to find him. (Last I heard, he was on his way to South America.)

Last I heard he was taking an 18 month "sabbatical" from everything and heading south :)

[mrshish]

I'm in for Option B, I say if it's not challenging it's not worth it. I also hear what 6string is saying and it would suck to spend a day just trying to get through a crossing. I read somewhere about the millions of people expected to be heading down there for the event.

On the other hand most won't have off road vehicles so I'm guessing if we stay away from the tourist areas and are in the more remote parts we shouldn't have the same problems.

Warning: I've never been to that part of the world and may not know what I'm talking about.

[Christian P.]

Great point Wes. I believe there will be many options for the participants, so people can choose which one fits best. Keep in mind this will be open to everyone, so I am expecting some super nicely tricked out 4x4 and some cheap disposable art car from Berkeley.

-drive back home
-put the vehicle in storage, fly back home and come back later to get it or find someone else to drive it back
-"donate" the vehicle (if we can get the right connection)
-continue your journey South
-ship the vehicle back to Florida. we are researching this option, apparently there is an on/off ferry and some cargo companies that do the route from the Yucatan peninsula.

so hopefully this won't be a show stopped for too many people...

:)

[bobDog]

tagged.... I'll bring the blue body paint.... :sombrero:Excellent! LOL RedRum....hmmmm Stephen King fan.

[RMP&O]

As I'm sure many of us know, very limited options exist for getting into and out of Belize. If the previous chatter about twenty million visitors being in the area for this event bears any fruit (or even partial fruit), then things could get really crazy at those choke points. These are pretty small crossings, especially the San Ignacio one, and they could really turn into nightmares if we're trying to pass them with ten thousand other people who are also trying to get to their favorite ruin.

For me, I'm most worried about the hundreds of thousands of people (gulp... maybe millions?) trying to get out from their favorite ruins so they can rush back home for Christmas. Don't even get me started on how this might affect the countless northbound toll booths back in Mexico.

Just food for thought.

Excellent points.

I have crossed a number of the borders that may be crossed during the event. These borders can take 1-5hrs, even when they are fairly lacking of people crossing. It just depends on who you deal with at the border, from my experience. My point is I can't imagine how long it will take if there is tens of thousands of people crossing too!

However, I have crossed at the Nicaragua to Costa Rica border more then once when there was hundreds of people in line to get your passport stamped. It didn't really take all that long, a few hours of standing in line max.

Some border officials I have met can be very moody and or grumpy. I can't imagine they will be in good moods during the holidays when they are having to work extra hard dealing with thousands upon thousands of people every day. A moody border official can slow things down! Just saying....

I would almost be temped to go down a week or two early to avoid the crowds. I guess that kind of defeats the purpose of the event though since from what I am gathering this event is about traveling not just showing up to the ruins and partying.

I have driven through mexico around Christmas time. Not as close as some of you to X-mas but I didn't notice any problems with traffic or congestion until I hit Chiapas.

[RMP&O]

On the other hand most won't have off road vehicles so I'm guessing if we stay away from the tourist areas and are in the more remote parts we shouldn't have the same problems.

Warning: I've never been to that part of the world and may not know what I'm talking about.

Actually you are spot on man. The advantages of doing an event like this via vehicle at a time when there may be huge amounts of tourists in the same areas. Well, having your own vehicle(s) means off the beaten path, off the bus routes and away from tourist hot spots. That will cut out a lot of logistics and problems that could arise.

I hope any organizers keep in mind the problems that may be encountered if there really is a huge influx of tourists into these areas for the Mayan 2012 event. If it really ends up being as big and crazy as the hype I am starting to hear, it could be a nightmare logistically. People getting lost in all this, can't find accommodations, slowed down by as much as a day or two due to traffic and possibly things like slow border crossings. Can't find or get to check points or the like due to traffic jams or crowds of people. You could end up with only 4-6 people at the final destination on the final night with a few dozen lost or stuck somewhere in between. That would be a bummer. Then again if this is planned right I am sure it could all work out nicely and be easy going and relaxing.

If you are going to participate and fly home for Christmas you may want to book that flight now. I suspect getting a flight during this time is going to be pretty difficult if not impossible as we get closer to the end of the year. I am willing to bet this event will get many participants if the organizers make some kind of arrangements for vehicle storage at the end. Simply a place you can put your vehicle, head home for Christmas and then deal with your vehicle be it drive home or ship home after the holidays. I don't think people would mind paying a fee for some nice safe storage place. The organizers don't have to make all the arrangements for this kind of thing, rather act as a middle man. Yet, I think if leaving it all up to the participants in terms of where I stay, when and what route I take and what I do a long the way, attendance will be less. A lot of people who may want to do the rally don't have experience with all these kinds of things plus add in the time of year, ie Christmas and it could hurt the number of attendees a lot. I guess my point is people like structure a "plan" so the more the better if this is anything other then a very casual event. With the hype I am starting to hear I doubt it will be hard to find lot's of people to participate if you advertise and spread the word as well as organize this right.

Obviously you are doing this and going for it Christian, building a website and so forth. I am really interested to know more about what exactly is going to take place on the rally. Will there be check points along the way, hidden things to find to pass a check point? Is this time based, ie how fast can I do it? Or will it be just more like a tour with a bunch of people traveling together? Is this something I will need 4wd for? Or could I just buy some cheap $800 Honda Civic or Subaru and be ok? Is it going to be GPS orientated? Like will you have a route with GPS coordinates and I will use this itinerary to not only find my way but meet up with the group as we go? Will the GPS be even more important than that, such as needing it to find way points or check points or hidden items? Is the focus on camping or will it be left up to the participant? What is the ultimate goal here? I know fun but are there events planned each night as a group and then a big grand finale at the end? Are there prizes and an actual 1st place, 2nd place, ect? Are you thinking more casual with just some fun and maybe silly prizes or more serious with sponsors and actual bigger ticket items for 1st place? I am also curious how big of a rally do you think this might be? Are you picturing (or planning) on a dozen or two dozen vehicles? Or do you foresee it being as large as possible with maybe a few hundred vehicles?

Apologies for all the questions. Just trying to get an idea on what this is exactly all about and how it will take place as well as what vehicle and gear I might need if I wanted to participate.

[bobDog]

Call me a skeptic about the end of the world this year... ;)

I love the idea for the trip and party though :)Yes me too! But I want to stay in the mood till the next day.....:coffeedrink:

[bobDog]

Oh hey.....since we're approaching the end I don't want to let this slip by. I had heard that when you reached a 1000post that Scott Brady sent you a nice gray and black letter mans jacket embroidered W/ the sites logo on the back and you're 'name on the front. I'm up over 1200 and I have yet to get an email requesting my size....you folks hear anything about delays or anything? I would sure like to be wearing one of those to the great beyond come December.
That's a XXL Scott....... looking forward to it.
:coffeedrink:

[trump]

Oh hey.....since we're approaching the end I don't want to let this slip by. I had heard that when you reached a 1000post that Scott Brady sent you a nice gray and black letter mans jacket embroidered W/ the sites logo on the back and you're 'name on the front. I'm up over 1200 and I have yet to get an email requesting my size....you folks hear anything about delays or anything? I would sure like to be wearing one of those to the great beyond come December.
That's a XXL Scott....... looking forward to it.
:coffeedrink:

Way to muck up a thread buddy... move along.

[LaOutbackTrail]

The Calukmal ruins are looking interesting and meet several criteria discussed earlier.
http://img.3viajesaldia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/runias_de_calakmul_mexico.jpg?9d7bd4

http://img.3viajesaldia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/peninsula_del_yucatan.gif?9d7bd4
As you can see, the ruins are relatively isolated from the main hwy of the region. Sat images show a dirt road going in. Photos linked to the area (on googlemaps) show a chipsealed road going in, and signs pointing to it at the hwy... What I don't see in the google image search are places to camp, especially for a crowd.


Another place that looks favorable, the ruins of Tonina.
http://travelphotos.picturetheplanet.com/North-America/Mexico/i-HX6zJmN/0/XL/Tonina-ruins-chiapas-mexico-4-XL.jpg
Tonina apparently has the tallest of the temples in the Mayan world? Its also relatively central to several other regional highlights including the larger ruins of Palenque, Agua Azul, and relatively close to San Cristobal de las Casas.

In all reality I think the latter would be an ideal location (or region at least) for incoming and outgoing travelers based on the scenarios discussed earlier. It would provide enough flexibility for those who wished to continue south to do so, and those who needed to return home the ability to get onto major routes with relative ease. While its not as adventurous as crossing into Guatemala or even Belize, there is the added benefits of NOT having to cross those extra borders as discussed before.

These are just a couple of suggestions from this evenings research. Does anyone have any personal experience with these locations that they would like to share?

[Christian P.]

Obviously you are doing this and going for it Christian, building a website and so forth. I am really interested to know more about what exactly is going to take place on the rally. Will there be check points along the way, hidden things to find to pass a check point? Is this time based, ie how fast can I do it? Or will it be just more like a tour with a bunch of people traveling together? Is this something I will need 4wd for? Or could I just buy some cheap $800 Honda Civic or Subaru and be ok? Is it going to be GPS orientated? Like will you have a route with GPS coordinates and I will use this itinerary to not only find my way but meet up with the group as we go? Will the GPS be even more important than that, such as needing it to find way points or check points or hidden items? Is the focus on camping or will it be left up to the participant? What is the ultimate goal here? I know fun but are there events planned each night as a group and then a big grand finale at the end? Are there prizes and an actual 1st place, 2nd place, ect? Are you thinking more casual with just some fun and maybe silly prizes or more serious with sponsors and actual bigger ticket items for 1st place? I am also curious how big of a rally do you think this might be? Are you picturing (or planning) on a dozen or two dozen vehicles? Or do you foresee it being as large as possible with maybe a few hundred vehicles?

Apologies for all the questions. Just trying to get an idea on what this is exactly all about and how it will take place as well as what vehicle and gear I might need if I wanted to participate.

I am not sure I can answer all these questions right now....but here are a few pointers/ideas.

-there won't be any check point or any establish route. you will be on your own - with or without GPS
-that being said, I would however like to schedule a couple of optional activities and parties (about 2 or 3) along the way.
-it will be doable by any type of car, including $800 civic and motorcycles, but will try to make it so people can also use their 4x4 if they want.
-right now I am thinking of limiting the number of entries to 50. this number is totally out of thin air but I suppose it would make it more manageable.
-there will be an entry fee, not sure how much yet - but will make it accessible for sure. there are already some expenses to cover and we want to make sure we have a good party at the end!
-the goal is pretty much to have as much fun as possible...but I also want to make it so we can make a charitable contribution.
I am thinking that a donation to the local organization that maintains the Maya Ruins (Tikal for instance) could make sense.
My ultimate dream would be if a couple participants could drive a firetruck or an ambulance, and give it to a local village. Even a hearse would do...

:)

Obviously, this is still all just shaping up so nothing is definitive.

We should have the general guidelines by next week. I am working with 2 solid guys who have many years of experience planning rallies.

In the meantime, don't forget to check the site...it should be up soon!

www.mayarally.com

The MAYA RALLY will confront you with the fact that
the world could end for you before it does the rest of us.

[roboter]

I'm sure you'll be able to find some sexy promiscuous German back packer chicks to NOT sacrifice! I would so go if I were on that continent. I'll be there in spirit gazing from the Inca ruins.

[bobDog]

Way to muck up a thread buddy... move along.:coffeedrink:

[RMP&O]

Cool, thanks for clearing some of that up Christian. I am beginning to picture how this will all take place! ;)

[REDrum]

hmmmm Stephen King fan.

Actually...not at all. Its just a screen name. It started >10 years ago when I bought a new red Mt Bike. Now its ubiquitous on ~20 forums...can't stop it now. The screen name I really wanted was Goto Dengo (but was taken), that should give you a hint of who I'm a fan of...:)

Sorry for the thread-jack

[upcountry]

I have been following this thread for a few days now and it seems like you all have a great plan. I was just wondering why, with a backroads type adventure group you dont consider a destination to a Belizian Mayan Ruin like Caracol? (http://www.belizereport.com/map.html).

Benefits:

-They speak English (or a fornm of it) in Beleize.
-Remote location away from the tourism bling.
-Good camping locations and beaches nearby (Placencia within a days drive).
-Good backroads perfect for a "challenge" (the roads in tis part of Beleize can be very challenging).
-A huge Mayan Ruin with good history.
-Off the beaten path.
-Still get the adventure of multiple border crossings.

I spent my last semester of College in 1999 in Beleize working on a filed study, part of it included anthropology. We spent around a two months in the south part of the country. It is an adventure wonderland.

Having been to several of the Guetemalan and Mexican sites I just dont see the Overland Adventurer fitting in at the mainstream sites that have turned into a sort of Disneyland with hardened "built" facilities. If you want the token pictures of Tikal, then visit it after the main event after everyone has gone home.

Dont get me wrong, one of my favorite adventures is sneaking around Tikal on a full moon with my then girlfriend (now wife) who was involved in a cooperative program with our university and had access. It is an amazing place, altrhough in my opinion most amazing when it is quiet and without hordes of tourists.

[Airmonger]

I thought of the Mayan rally poster/logo when I saw this. Maybe extra points for each Elysian Apocalypse beer brought to the rally.

P.S. The Yerba Mate Trippel was awesome.

[upcountry]

Excellent points.

I have crossed a number of the borders that may be crossed during the event. These borders can take 1-5hrs, even when they are fairly lacking of people crossing. It just depends on who you deal with at the border, from my experience. My point is I can't imagine how long it will take if there is tens of thousands of people crossing too!

However, I have crossed at the Nicaragua to Costa Rica border more then once when there was hundreds of people in line to get your passport stamped. It didn't really take all that long, a few hours of standing in line max.



Haha! Comparing the effective Cost Rica border to the Belezian government and Guetemala government is not a fair comparison!

[Christian P.]

At this point every site is being considered. I personally find Belize to be my favorite country in Central America and I would love to end the rally there.

We are working closely with an expedition company based in Guatamala (I let you figure which one...) and will make sure to look at every possibility.

[upcountry]

You guys are great for getting things like this going! I bet this company has the low-down on the current status of many of the possible locations!

Thanks for putting this together and for the work getting it up and running.

I have not been down there in a while but my memories of Beleize put it into my top 3 of Central America.

What route down from the West Coast USA are you considering?

[REDrum]

I thought of the Mayan rally poster/logo when I saw this. Maybe extra points for each Elysian Apocalypse beer brought to the rally.

Sponsor....?

[Bill Beers]

...

What route down from the West Coast USA are you considering?

The start point will be somewhere in Mexico proper, so getting there is up to the individual teams. From the west coast, I think going down the peninsula, and catching the La Paz - Mazatlan ferry would be pretty cool. I've never done that myself, but I recently took a trip to Victoria, BC, and I have ferrys on the brain.

[LaOutbackTrail]

The start point will be somewhere in Mexico proper, so getting there is up to the individual teams. From the west coast, I think going down the peninsula, and catching the La Paz - Mazatlan ferry would be pretty cool. I've never done that myself, but I recently took a trip to Victoria, BC, and I have ferrys on the brain.

Thats my thought. Someplace central to the country. Like Guanajuato maybe?

[RMP&O]

Haha! Comparing the effective Cost Rica border to the Belezian government and Guetemala government is not a fair comparison!

true enough....my point was/is, a border with lots of people crossing can go reasonably fast if run right by the officials.

I have had both Guatemala and Belize crossings go smooth and fast and also had them be rough and take forever. Costa Rica is usually more consistent.

[6string]

LooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooove GTO. I'd put it up against any city on Earth. Absolutely first class...

...with no parking.

:sombrero:

[Christian P.]

yes Guanajuato is a strong possibility. Perhaps also an earlier party near Copper Canyon.

[Christian P.]

all

just fyi, I think we are okay right now in term of volunteers. We will most likely need some help later so I will post something up again.

However, if anyone has some local contacts who could help with car "donation" either in Guatemala or Belize, please let me know....

[sp4mike]

If you build it, I will come. With the wife and kids too.

That will give us three drivers (daughter drives) so if people need vehicles transported back home after the end of the world we could arrange something. We are coming from Ohio, so really anywhere in the eastern 3/4 of the US is kind of "on the way".

I love that you are making it doable by any car, but I think that might limit how remote we can get. Maybe find a place that people with 2wd have to make a little hike, or hitch a ride? I can carry about 5 people on the roof and another 4 hanging off the sliders, a couple more on the front bumper etc.:wings:

[upcountry]

If you build it, I will come. With the wife and kids too.

I can carry about 5 people on the roof and another 4 hanging off the sliders, a couple more on the front bumper etc.:wings:

Thats about on Par with public transportation in remote parts of central america. I am always impressed with how much weight those little 4cyl hi-lux trucks can carry - the 4WD "Chivas" that haul people up into the mountians back to their villages.

[LaOutbackTrail]

Is that volunteers of ideas and information or.... ?

all

just fyi, I think we are okay right now in term of volunteers. We will most likely need some help later so I will post something up again.

However, if anyone has some local contacts who could help with car "donation" either in Guatemala or Belize, please let me know....

[Christian P.]

okay another question for everyone:

once you get to Guatemala, after a couple weeks on the road, and it's hot and humid in the jungle....would you prefer to camp or stay in a hotel?

[TACODOC]

I think that hotels, or their inclusion in the event, would make this less of an "expedition" and possibly devalue the event. Weary but jubilant overlanders camped in the jungle at trails end sharing what we brought would be more authentic, more memorable, and generate better content.

Just my .02

[trump]

I think that hotels, or their inclusion in the event, would make this less of an "expedition" and possibly devalue the event. Weary but jubilant overlanders camped in the jungle at trails end sharing what we brought would be more authentic, more memorable, and generate better content.

Just my .02

^this!^

[sp4mike]

I think that hotels, or their inclusion in the event, would make this less of an "expedition" and possibly devalue the event. Weary but jubilant overlanders camped in the jungle at trails end sharing what we brought would be more authentic, more memorable, and generate better content.

Just my .02

X2!
This is Expo portal, not priceline with William Shatner! Hehe

[LexusAllTerrain]

Subscribed!

[bobDog]

Who wants to be at the end of the world in a hotel.......? I guess if it had a "REALLY GOOD VIEW" and spectacular room service. :sombrero:

[NLX Chica]

Campers: Dont worry about the weather this time of year as it cools down nicely in the evenings. 60ish is perfect sleeping weather and the humidity isn't so bad either. There are a lot of great places to camp but don't be expecting great facilities.

Really looking forward to this event - its a great way to spend your last days.... or just celebrate the new beginning!

-Angela
www.NoLimitX.com

[upcountry]

all

just fyi, I think we are okay right now in term of volunteers. We will most likely need some help later so I will post something up again.

However, if anyone has some local contacts who could help with car "donation" either in Guatemala or Belize, please let me know....

Regarding car donation if the event is in the south of Beleize you may check with a group called TIDE (Toledo Institute for Development and Environment). http://www.tidebelize.org/

They are out of Punta Gorda and are (were when I was working with them a decade ago) a decently well rooted organkzation that could benefit from a donation.

Thanks again for your work on this.

[Christian P.]

All right, looks like camping it is. We just wanted to make sure, as organizing a camp big enough for 50 vehicles is another challenge in itself.

But as you may have guessed already, we are in good hands. I am super stoked to announce that NoLimitX is one of the main co-sponsors and helping us for the arrival celebration and logistics!

There is no doubt that their vast experience in that area will contribute to make this a success.

We are looking into every site possibility, thanks for everyone who have made suggestions.

http://www.nolimitx.com/images/no-limit-logo-1.jpg

[RMP&O]

okay another question for everyone:

once you get to Guatemala, after a couple weeks on the road, and it's hot and humid in the jungle....would you prefer to camp or stay in a hotel?

Me personally, I like the camping idea. Yet, at least once a week I would want a shower, not a camping shower but a real shower. Especially before "the big" party. :)

[TACODOC]

Yet, at least once a week I would want a shower, not a camping shower but a real shower.

You're losing man points here buddy... sheesh :rolleyes:

[Dgurley2000]

There's no shame in hoteling......

[mrshish]

Looks like it's time to get the heat exchanger built into the Jeep.

Free showers for everyone :victory:

[Mr. Leary]

I'm in. Christian, you have a PM.

[LexusAllTerrain]

We are interested! You have PM!

[RMP&O]

You're losing man points here buddy... sheesh :rolleyes:

I am single.....can't let the funk get to gnarly!

[shortbus4x4]

I am single.....can't let the funk get to gnarly!

I am married so it doesn't matter any more.

I started working on my wife this weekend about going. We will see.

[REDrum]

I started working on my wife this weekend about going. We will see.

My wife started working on me this this weekend "we need a RTT, and a swing-a-way tire carrier, and slide out fridge, and those wire thingies that go from the hood to the roof rack....are we going to take the land rover or the land cruiser, or both...??" She had a Jeep when we met, but I never saw this coming... It could be a very costly Q4.

Will people be using HAM, CB or both?

[Bill Beers]

I've been looking into this a little. From what I can find, getting a reciprocal HAM license is a bit of a PITA. Some good info on that here: http://www.qsl.net/wd9ewk/xe-permit.html

FRS is legal in Mex, (w/the exeption of dual mode FRS/GMRS,) based off of this wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service#Mexico

I haven't found anything I'd consider concrete about CB in Mexico though.

[trump]

I've been looking into this a little. From what I can find, getting a reciprocal HAM license is a bit of a PITA. Some good info on that here: http://www.qsl.net/wd9ewk/xe-permit.html


Beg for forgiveness rather than ask for permission?

[Rocket-scientist]

Beg for forgiveness rather than ask for permission?

Not excited to see what a Mexican prison looks like. Laws are actually enforced down there...

[RMP&O]

I am going to suggest anyone interested in doing the rally and or the organizers pick up this map....

http://www.orangegifts.com/map_2.htm#

http://www.rmp-o.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=19621&g2_serialNumber=1

larger image here....

http://www.rmp-o.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=19619

The map only shows main roads but what it does show in detail is every single ruin in the Yucatan and N. Central America.

Also check out Xunantunich in Belize. Not really off the beaten path but one of the largest and best ruin sites in Belize. Tulum in the Yucatan is another not off the beaten path but IMHO is one of the most fantastic ruins in the whole region.

cheers

[6string]

My take on the HAM issue down south:

When's the last time you were pulled over by a local, county, or state cop and when he/she saw your hand mic, were asked to show your FCC license? I would venture a guess never. That's because a huge number of cops have no clue--just like the vast majority of Americans in general don't--what HAM is or that there's even a licensing process or that you're supposed to keep a copy in your truck.

Having driven through more Mexican checkpoints than I can count, and having had my truck searched by military and police multiple times, no one ever asked about the mics, radios, or antennas hanging all over my truck. And everything was right there in the open.

One time last month, I was asked about "the other guy in the white truck like this," by one of the military guys at a checkpoint. I proceeded to immediately key up the 146.460 for dgurley2000, who I found out was a few miles ahead of me. (I didn't know he was quite that close to us at the time.) We all three had a good laugh about the confusion. Of course, this transmission took place right in front of the soldier, who never asked about my radio or anything.

The chances of a Mexican cop or soldier knowing that you're supposed to have a reciprocal permit for that 2m radio is incredibly slim, just like it would be for your local cop to know that.

Now, all that said, if you have the time to get the appropriate permits, I say do it. Right is right. Plan on it taking up to 8 weeks. Here are the links to help with these details:

Mexico (http://www.qsl.net/wd9ewk/xe-permit.html)
Guatemala (http://www.radioaficionados.ws/visitantes.html)
Belize is pretty convoluted:
The process to get a Belize Radio License has changed. You now need to apply in person or by mail to the Public Utilities Commission. Talk to a Mr. Kingsley Smith. You can email him at puctelcom at btl.net He is the manager of Telecommunications.. The whole process should take you about 1 month provided you send all that is required.. 2 sets of the following: copy of license, copy of passport. I belive I also had to send a couple passport photos. Also a $20 USD international money order. Don't forget to ask for a import license on your radio equipment.. They need all serial nubers of equipment you are bringing into the country.
Thanks to dgurley2000 for this great info.

For me, though, I carry the FCC original, two copies, and a little spare cash in case there's a "special occasion" when my hunch is wrong and I meet that one cop who knows.

I'd say that the chance of going to jail for this, though, is incredibly, incredibly slim.

[czarthirteen]

Hi all,

I might be queueing in a little late here but we've got a pretty big travel and trans-continental move plans happening this year, so this looks like the best way to kick off the next.

To the OP, I'll be PMing you soon to hopefully gather some info and to offer some of ours.

Count us in.

[esh]

I am interested!

[Christian P.]

thanks to all who have sent me a pm to show their interest. this is looking to be one of the most exciting things we've done here!

we have a first draft of the regulations and we are reviewing it right now. the site is also almost ready. I am hoping to launch the whole thing Feb 1st.

[grahamfitter]

Fine Minds Think Alike! Although my current plan is to fly to Belize and simply bus it from there to Tikal or similar to witness the final sunset. (Obviously there's no point in buying return tickets!)

Driving does appeal but getting to the starting line from here in the North East would be tiring and the event itself could well be a rush because we probably couldn't leave before December 14. I haven't seen a last start date banded around yet so I don't know if this is in any way practical. Fortunately we wouldn't need to be back home until January 1 but that's after the apocalypse.

Is flying to the start and taking public transport to the finish a legitimate way to participate?

Is renting a motorcycle or other vehicle in Mexico practical?

[X-plorenow]

Maybe... Problem is where to find'em these days.

Pirate4x4 :sombrero:

[Christian P.]

Is flying to the start and taking public transport to the finish a legitimate way to participate?

Is renting a motorcycle or other vehicle in Mexico practical?

I think any expo member who is in Guatemala around this date should find a way to come to the final party!

Also if you rent a 4x4/bike in Belize, you can probably do at least a good portion of the rally if you are willing to backtrack in Mexico first.

[X-plorenow]

Just to toss out my $0.02. My vote is more off road oriented then on, this is an expedition forum after all and I would rather be away from the masses. I think 4x4 would be required but we wouldn't need to do anything extreme. My guess is most people here are already running 4x4 so it shouldn't matter much.

I would also like getting out to little known, off the beaten path, places and especially Mayan ruins rather then having to do something in the middle of Mexico City.

X2!

[barlowrs]

X2!

X1000000

[xpdishn]

My nagivator and I were discussing this after a couple/3 Squatter's from Salt Lake C. - really good beer. This sounds like a woot or is that hoot, not quite sure which right at this moment. I was thinking that I could put in alot of OT for comp time, but at the same time I could be fired really soon. The nagivator had the great insight that either way we could make it. Right now, count us in. Where is the starting line, how much beer is required and where does it end. Ken, if you read this, let's go.

[Christian P.]

My nagivator and I were discussing this after a couple/3 Squatter's from Salt Lake C. - really good beer. This sounds like a woot or is that hoot, not quite sure which right at this moment. I was thinking that I could put in alot of OT for comp time, but at the same time I could be fired really soon. The nagivator had the great insight that either way we could make it. Right now, count us in. Where is the starting line, how much beer is required and where does it end. Ken, if you read this, let's go.

Awesome! this is going to be a blast, no matter which way it goes....NoLimitX is working on finding us a killer campsite for the arrival, and we are making sure that the regulations will give you a lot of opportunity for having some fun... (think extra points for the oldest cars, or the most numbers of passengers in a car...)

:)

we'll most likely have 3 categories - cars (2WD), 4x4 and motorcycles, with "special stages" for each of them....

[Christian P.]

And here's the event logo...hope you like it!

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/373682_341177105901007_155017460_n.jpg

[grahamfitter]

And here's the event logo...hope you like it!

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/373682_341177105901007_155017460_n.jpg

How about incorporating the the Mayan numbers for the 14th b'ak'tun (our 12/21/12, Mayan long count date 13,0,0,0,0) into the pyramid just in case there is a day after? Forgive my poor ASCII artistry...



ooo
_____ @ @ @ @
_______

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar

[ExpediT-100n]

Here is a musical presentation for those who are still undecided:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_gVBWhm14

Buen viaje!

Kevin

[Christian P.]

this could be very interesting

http://enjoycozumel.com/blog/posts/tampa-to-cancun-ferry-service-coming-in-2012/

[haven]

Here's an answer from a couple of years ago.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090309191703AAGVvUV

[REDrum]

Recent rumors are out there...

http://www.yucatan-life.com/tampa-progreso-ferry.html

Read somewhere targeting start is this fall. Would provide a lot more entries from the south east

[NothingClever]

If anybody has refined research requirements, I can pay a visit and do some local research since I live on the west side of Tampa Bay.

The 'research assistant' offer is open until the first week of April when I move from Florida.

I'll be shipping out of Miami myself in a few years but learning trade practices and vocabulary now won't hurt me since I have a vested/personal interest in the topic.

I'm an ENFJ on the Myers-Briggs so I'll be sure to give a good run down.

[Christian P.]

Journey into the Maya underworld

http://www.bbc.com/travel/feature/20120201-journey-into-the-maya-underworld

[Christian P.]

Looks like you guys will need to drive a Chevy if you want to survive the End of the World


http://youtu.be/XxFYYP8040A

[TACODOC]

And here's the event logo...hope you like it!

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/373682_341177105901007_155017460_n.jpg

I like it.

[Redline]

I like it.

x2 funny.

But seriously...I don't know if I have enough tires to make it to the end of the world ;)

[Detslider]

we have a first draft of the regulations and we are reviewing it right now. the site is also almost ready. I am hoping to launch the whole thing Feb 1st.

Anxiously waiting for details. Any idea when the new launch date is?

[Christian P.]

Anxiously waiting for details. Any idea when the new launch date is?

I am probably more anxious than you...I am hoping to have a "soft" launch later this week. We revised the regulations this week and should have a second version ready.

A few things won't be announced right away:

-final location. NoLimitx is working on a killer location, but there are too many details/approval to work out and we will need many more weeks before sorting everything.

-scavenger hunts list. For obvious reason, we will not share the list until the actual beginning of the rally. We will however provide example of what people will need to do to accumulate points, so they know what to expect.


stay tuned...and start planning your vacation!

[gregs.legs@googlemail.com]

I did Alaska to Ushuaia in my Land Rover last year ! Would love to get involved in this. :smiley_drive:
http://www.me-thee-and-bee.com

[mep1811]

I would be interested. Are there any special considerations in pulling a trailer?

[6string]

More crowdsourcing here, gang. Thanks for the help!

If you could ask one question of each registering Maya Rally team member, what would it be?

[Christian P.]

I would be interested. Are there any special considerations in pulling a trailer?

no problem at all.

[Christian P.]

I am thinking this could be one of the theme songs...it's a good Maya vibe to it...


http://youtu.be/hN5X4kGhAtU

[Sergeant_V]

I'm in if work permits Christian (should be good unless we go on alert for disaster response)! PM Sent.

[Triumphdog]

WOW!!!!! I can't believe I just saw this thread for the first time today. My fiance and I are getting married on Jan 27, 2013 during a full moon in Tulum (if the world doesn't end). We've been tossing around the idea of driving down from San Diego, and meeting our family and friends. This would fit into our plans perfectly!

[Max_Rodriguez]

I am definitely in for this

[FSU_Disco]

I doubt I'd be able to swing this since I'll likely be only a few months into my first job. This would certainly makes this trip a possibility where it didn't make sense before due to the time, money and miles just to get to the west coast. Doubt I'll be able to do but I'll subscribe anyways

[dropframe]

If it's newb & family friendly I would consider going. My wife is totally pumped for this trip. I would also bring my 11 yo son with us.

[Christian P.]

Guys,

I got many emails already - thanks for the interest!

I just want to make it clear this event will be as "soft-core" or "hard-core" as you want it to be. It will also be family friendly, no problem.

We will most likely have a couple of offroad tracks around the site for those who wants to push the limit, but the rally itself is doable in any vehicle you want to use.

Personally, my neighbor has a 1990 Lincoln Towncar Limousine that he may want to get rid of....could be a comfy ride to drive down...

:)

[Christian P.]

Could someone please buy this and drive it down to Guatemala? If you do, I promise free entry and a special prize at the end...

:)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330686969286+&viewitem=

http://www.motorsportwarehouse.com/ebaypix/z1.jpg

[LC4Dakar]

The prize better be a case of Anti Monkey Butt. Those "seats" look hard.

[Triumphdog]

The prize better be a case of Anti Monkey Butt. Those "seats" look hard.

^^^^^HAHAHAHA!!!

[1leglance]

I wonder if that is the same one I saw down by the Overland Expo site a couple of years ago?
It is the same color and I can't imagine there are too many of them around.

What a crazy fun rig that would be. Then again my 1 legged self would break my 1 good hip trying to get in & out :)

[RMP&O]

That thing is sooo funky and super cool at the same time. It needs tons of work but it could be made to live again.

I will make somebody a deal, you buy it and I will fix it up and then deliver it to Guatemala. Fixing it and delivering it is on your dime though. I would love to see the look on some cops faces when you came rolling up in that thing, that alone is nearly worth the price of admission.

[Christian P.]

That thing is sooo funky and super cool at the same time. It needs tons of work but it could be made to live again.

I will make somebody a deal, you buy it and I will fix it up and then deliver it to Guatemala. Fixing it and delivering it is on your dime though. I would love to see the look on some cops faces when you came rolling up in that thing, that alone is nearly worth the price of admission.

I may take you up on this...my fiancee and I were just talking about how this thing would attract the most attention ever.
It would have to be ready for Burning Man though....

I don't think the mechanical components would be difficult to fix/replace - there is really not that much about it. Imagine with slightly larger wheels and tires "a la Baja"...then just add a bed in the back, and an Engel fridge, some new seats and you are good to go!

[Christian P.]

We just finished putting together a short teaser video...

:)


http://youtu.be/1HJ1slD7qrQ

thanks to Austin for his work.

[shortbus4x4]

Nice video, loved the Honda.

[Triumphdog]

Great vid. The parts list, and travel savings is growing by the day.

[RMP&O]

Nice video....great start to promoting the event!

I am serious about fixing the NASA rocket for you. ;)

I just landed a job yesterday after months of looking. I am now officially a taxi driver! Ha!! Going to try and work 2 jobs all year and bust my arse to make sure I can make this event. That is how much I want to go!

[Bill Beers]

...I am now officially a taxi driver! Ha!! ...



How awesome would it be if you could find someone to take your taxi from WY to Guatemala!?!

[RMP&O]

Well, I am planning to go, in my FJ60. If that truck isn't ready or I don't have a pile of cash for fuel there is a early 1990s Subaru sitting at my property for $350. It has high/low, 5spd and gets 30mpg! ;)

[clcoyle]

We just finished putting together a short teaser video...

:)


http://youtu.be/1HJ1slD7qrQ

thanks to Austin for his work.

Great Teaser! Very well done.

[Christian P.]

Everyone,

We are planning for an official launch March 1st. Everything is pretty much ready - please take a look at the new site and let us know if you have more questions: www.mayarally.com
(we are already aware of a couple bugs, Wes will fix them when he comes back).

In the meantime, here's a movie suggestion for those who can't wait!


http://youtu.be/5VXa82AuwHU

[Christian P.]

Some history lesson:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17149812

Mild drought caused Maya collapse in Mexico, Guatemala

Relatively mild drought conditions may have been enough to cause the collapse of the Classic Maya civilisation, which flourished until about 950AD in what is now southern Mexico and Guatemala.

[evldave]

While I haven't decided anything yet, I grabbed www.mymayarally.com in case I decide to go. I'll use that (and likely Google Sites) to document prep and the actual Rally if I decide to go. Let's see, tough dilemma...canoe trip through Canada for a month, or Overland Rally and winning the Maya Rally...:sombrero:

If I don't end up going and someone wants to use the website name, just let me know and I can re-direct to your server location...(I'll make a final decision April 2nd)

[Christian P.]

All,

I will be in Prescott this weekend at the headquarter and we'll do the official launch then! Well everything is pretty much ready (site is already live), I just want to brainstorm one last time to make sure we can bring you the best Rally ever!

As I said more details will be announced as we finalized everything, and we also need to keep some surprises for later!

We'll have a heavily discounted entry fee for early Expo adopters before we start promoting the event elsewhere.

And just as another teaser, Niall is working on getting some nice Rally license plates for the participants...

:)

[TACODOC]

Cool :cool:

[Funkweasel]

Hey Christian...the early entry fee is listed at $275 but the Google Checkout is showing $350? Its not a big deal either way, but thought I'd ask if that's an error either way?


All,

I will be in Prescott this weekend at the headquarter and we'll do the official launch then! Well everything is pretty much ready (site is already live), I just want to brainstorm one last time to make sure we can bring you the best Rally ever!

As I said more details will be announced as we finalized everything, and we also need to keep some surprises for later!

We'll have a heavily discounted entry fee for early Expo adopters before we start promoting the event elsewhere.

And just as another teaser, Niall is working on getting some nice Rally license plates for the participants...

:)

[Marc1904]

I'm very interested in this!! I'm actually separating from the Navy in mid November, so i'll be on leave and job free at this time! :)

I would push to get back to SD by Christmas, but if not I wouldn't mind too much. I would prefer as much as the route as possible to be away from most of the other on-road tourists that are going to see something that they don't understand.

On the thought of the day itself... The Mayans never really said the world would end. Their beliefs were that the world would "reset" so to speak... like an ice age or major event that would return the world to where it wants to be.. instead of where we've trapped it. It will be the end of one (believed) age and the beginning of another. :ar15:
not saying there won't be crazy meteors and tsunamis and other stuff... just that the world will still be here.

I'll be honest... there would be a few nights that I plan on getting smashed and partying like some wild Hunter S. animal (but safely)... hopefully that's ok.

[Christian P.]

Fixed. We dropped it to $275 to encourage as many people as possible to sign up early, even though we don't have all the final details sorted yet.

Please note:

-this is not a reflection of the quality of the event. NoLimitX provides top-notch orofessional services and they are doing us a HUGE favor to plan and coordinate the final party in Guatemala.

-Our desire is to keep it affordable and non-commercial as much as possible, so we won't really be looking for sponsorships to help out, like most event does.
So the entrance fees basically need to cover all our expenses, prizes, charity donation, goodies, etc - so we don't have a huge margin.
But it's all about the spirit and creating a "grassroot" event where everyone can participate!



Hey Christian...the early entry fee is listed at $275 but the Google Checkout is showing $350? Its not a big deal either way, but thought I'd ask if that's an error either way?

[Funkweasel]

No worries. Registered so you should see the registration package and payment from Troy Holland now.

Super excited to get going!! Oh and you need to add a "Question 1"

Thanks for putting this together Christian.


Fixed. We dropped it to $275 to encourage as many people as possible to sign up early, even though we don't have all the final details sorted yet.

Please note:

-this is not a reflection of the quality of the event. NoLimitX provides top-notch orofessional services and they are doing us a HUGE favor to plan and coordinate the final party in Guatemala.

-Our desire is to keep it affordable and non-commercial as much as possible, so we won't really be looking for sponsorships to help out, like most event does.
So the entrance fees basically need to cover all our expenses, prizes, charity donation, goodies, etc - so we don't have a huge margin.
But it's all about the spirit and creating a "grassroot" event where everyone can participate!

[bernardbarbour]

Great Teaser! Very well done.

I agree, this is an Awesome Teaser !

[REDrum]

Recent buzz, but nothing hard or even firm....

http://yucatanexpat.com/tampa-cancun-ferry-due-soon/

[REDrum]

Looks like ferry to Yucatan is out:

"A March post in the Tampa Business News says the service is delayed until 2013. 'Due to turmoil in Europe"

[Christian P.]

Looks like ferry to Yucatan is out:

"A March post in the Tampa Business News says the service is delayed until 2013. 'Due to turmoil in Europe"

Well that means more fun driving across Mexico!

[evldave]

Looks like I am officially 'out' - work announced no raises for the next 2 years :( and bonuses this year weren't enough to cover my gas cost (now estimated at ~$3,000) let alone any other costs on the trip. Bummed out as I turn 40 this year and it would be a great way to endmyworld/startmy40s...

Best of luck to those of you that go - have a few local brews for me!!

[RMP&O]

Looks like I am officially 'out' - work announced no raises for the next 2 years :( and bonuses this year weren't enough to cover my gas cost (now estimated at ~$3,000) let alone any other costs on the trip. Bummed out as I turn 40 this year and it would be a great way to endmyworld/startmy40s...

Best of luck to those of you that go - have a few local brews for me!!

How about jumping in with somebody and going as a co-pilot?

I know I may have room and I am sure others will too.

[Christian P.]

just to keep everyone in the loop...here where we stand now:

-The team is in discussion to add some special stages to the Rally around Guanajuato. This portion would become a bit more exciting than initially planned...
We are considering adding a new class for more prepared Rally Car and Trucks, with an offroad section near by and some special stages. We would also have a more formal ceremony/departure party with perhaps even some sort of parade with the local autorities at the start of the Rally...a lot of fun. We are also expecting a few more Mexican rally teams to join in, which would be awesome.

-For those who are interested, we could also arrange transport of your vehicle directly from Texas to Guanajuato. It takes away some fun of driving, but for those like Matt who has an older 1964 Land Rover Serie 109, it may be a good alternative as you may want to preserve your vehicle for the actual rally between Guanajuato and Bacalar.

-Speaking of Bacalar, it looks like we have found a great connection there and we will be able to arrange a lot of fun activities. We are looking into some offroad tracks on private ranch for those who want to do that, and maybe even a welcome ceremony with the key of the city...

-Dave (TacoDoc) and I will be at Overland Expo and we'll set up a small booth for the Rally. We could use some help with that so if anyone is coming and wants to donate a few hours please contact me - we especially need to help to set it up before the show.

-I personally plan to then go on to Belize and spend Christmas there. We will be looking for a spot where people can camp and relax so for those of you who are interested, keep this mind...

-my fiancee thinks we should take a Gold Trans-Am with the Eagle on the hood/T-Top for the Rally. And that I should grow a mustache. We'll see about that...

:)

http://www.firebirdgallery.com/2nd%20Gen%20Images/78ta35.jpg

[Errant]

So is Bacalar the endpoint, rather than Tikal?

[Christian P.]

So is Bacalar the endpoint, rather than Tikal?

yes, most likely. NoLimitX mentioned that it would be too difficult to organize anything around the most popular sites - especially Tikal.

And we have a great contact in Bacalar now.

That being said, it would not be hard to get to Tikal after the Rally.

[RMP&O]

just to keep everyone in the loop...here where we stand now:

*snip*



Awesome! I knew this would really start shaping up into an event as some time went by. The only thing that comes to mind is...geez this is going to be a one-time rally. If all goes well it certainly could lead to more of them but the end of the world theme would not suit.

I think you should roll in that Trans Am with the mustache! That would really rock!

I have got some things in the works that may be on the big side of things for the rally. Vehicle, sponsors, ect but not saying anything until it is solid.

Regardless, I am planning to buy the Subaru sitting next to my house specifically for the rally. That should happen in 1-2 months. I then will start a build thread on it and plan to have the car prep'ed and ready to go for the event by October at the latest. ;)

It would be awesome to take a truck more kitted out but that is not going to happen for me in time so doing the cheap rally car thing.

[barlowrs]

man, i am so excited about this, just need to get to work finding myself a co-pilot.

[aka rover]

We have two teams coming down from Alaska driving Land Rovers, hope we make it :safari-rig:

[clcoyle]

This event is really coming together.

[TACODOC]

This event is really coming together.

You joining the SoCal Team? :D

[Christian P.]

For those of you who have never been to Guanajuato (where the Rally will start...), check this video submitted to our video contest:


http://vimeo.com/38021088

[WorldRallyTeam]

For those of you who have never been to Guanajuato (where the Rally will start...), check this video submitted to our video contest:


http://vimeo.com/38021088

Great footage, congrats! Really cool that they visited some cantinas!

That narrow road they rode down can also be down by car with a normal wheelbase not to long to make the L turns, there are several similar to that one but that one is one of the most popular ones.

[Cody1771]

my next question is, since this is a 9 day rally, or as it appears at least what will camping be like? will it be just wherever you stop, will there be sanctioned stops, Ie group sites? (i think this would be the most fun option), and will there be a spot set up at the end where we can park for a day or 2 and enjoy the area?

[Christian P.]

my next question is, since this is a 9 day rally, or as it appears at least what will camping be like? will it be just wherever you stop, will there be sanctioned stops, Ie group sites? (i think this would be the most fun option), and will there be a spot set up at the end where we can park for a day or 2 and enjoy the area?

Cody

Sorry I missed your question. there will be camping available at the beginning and at the end for sure, and we will provide suggestions alongg the way.
there won't be any sanctioned stops but we'll plan a few group sites along the way. I am afraid they won't be much time to enjoy as we have activities pretty much every day, but after the rally we will head to Belize for some relaxing time.

[Christian P.]

Here is a map of one of the potential routes we are looking into - of course no one will be obligated to follow it...

:)

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[bobDog]

Cody

Sorry I missed your question. there will be camping available at the beginning and at the end for sure, and we will provide suggestions alongg the way.
there won't be any sanctioned stops but we'll plan a few group sites along the way. I am afraid they won't be much time to enjoy as we have activities pretty much every day, but after the rally we will head to Belize for some relaxing time.Excuse me....but after what? This is the end of the world right?