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TheJosh
01-18-2012, 01:42 AM
i have a completely stock 2005 Toyota Tundra 2WD TRD Tow Rig. This my work truck and i spent all my days driving it around. after many years of towing my TRD bilsteins and springs need to be replaced. i am in the process of ordering Custom Alcan Springs for the rear with a 2.5" lift and based on my specs of having a bed full of tools (330lbs) and a average tongue weight of 400lbs. that part i have figured out but the rest i do not. can someone point me to what would be a good suspension setup for my truck?

thank you!

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/chevelle02/DSC_0066-2.jpg

zidaro
01-18-2012, 04:16 AM
Nice truck. You have not stated at all how you intend to use this truck, that would help alot and till then you will get answers all across the board or none at all. Since you said it is your tow rig, i will assume you use this only on the highways or very mild washboard roads.

Sounds like your dialed already in the rear. My thoughts- Alcans are great springs and they will build you what you ask for. Springs built for a 700# load will handle purdy rough without anything in the bed, so plan on carrying something all the time. Lighter spring rate and adjustable airbags might serve you better if you spend much time in it without that load. Other than that, you must need a set of rear shocks to dampen the ride. Choose your flavor, they all will do their job. I like Fox, Radflo, or Icon but all will work.
Front- you may want to level the front out to match the rear. On a tow rig this could be done with something as simple as coilover spacers- cheap and factory ride retained. However, since youve said the suspension may be shot and already stiffened up the rear quite a bit you may want to match the ride quality as well or it will have a strange buck in the rear. Again, quality coilovers are abound and you dont need the top of the line to tow highways with. 2.5" lift coils will not affect your geometry greatly so a simple coilover/spring unit swap and alignment will work great. OME, Bilstein, any others will work. Stock rims should handle that lift w/o A-arm rubbing or could get some small spacers to alleviate it if they do.

Check out www.wheelersoffroad.com for lots of toyota lift ideas. Also www.tundrasolutions.com and www.tundratalk.com have many threads on just this subject. Plenty of vendors here on Expo sell kits as well and should be able to give great advise.

give up some more info and people here will be able to better steer you.

TheJosh
01-18-2012, 04:50 AM
this is strictly my work truck, i never drive it when I'm not working. the load of 330+ lbs of tools never leaves my bed and stays in there night and day under my toneau cover. i drive all over the bay area everyday. i have General Grapplers on the truck now (32")

i want a front suspension to match the rear and provide a better ride. i am not fond of the stock billies (i think they are garbage) I'm also not a fan of a spacer kit either. I've checked out tundra solutions and tundra talk but they mainly cater to 2nd gens and the advise isn't as good as here. so thats why I'm looking for input here.

Derek24
01-18-2012, 08:26 PM
Can't go wrong with Bilstein 5100's up front. Set them at any lift you like, 0-2.5" of lift. They ride good and don't break the bank like coilovers, but coilovers are nice too! At set of Firestone airbags will do you good as well with all that weight.

TheJosh
01-18-2012, 08:43 PM
Can't go wrong with Bilstein 5100's up front. Set them at any lift you like, 0-2.5" of lift. They ride good and don't break the bank like coilovers, but coilovers are nice too! At set of Firestone airbags will do you good as well with all that weight.

Thank you!

Maybe I'll just go with billies all around and air bags and hold off on the springs for now. Maybe a add a leaf with airbags might achieve what I'm looking for

dyogim
01-18-2012, 11:38 PM
FYI... There's a set of 5100's for sale on Craigslist for cheap and it's for the 1st gen tundra.

dyogim
01-18-2012, 11:41 PM
Here you go.....

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/2803862282.html

dyogim
01-19-2012, 12:01 AM
For the rear 5100's would be good. The springs for the rear, another option would be to swap it for 63" 4x4 chevy springs. The payload increase was a whole lot better and flexy at the same time. I have the rearend set up to where I can switch back to tundra springs and the Chevys. If the payload is still lacking add an airbag.

TheJosh
01-19-2012, 12:22 AM
Awesome thank you!! I sent a email waiting for a reply. I also for 2 sets of rear 5100's for $180 which is about what one pair costs new, so I buy it and sell the other to recoup-

Now we're am I gonna find 63" Chevy springs?!

dyogim
01-19-2012, 12:45 AM
Awesome thank you!! I sent a email waiting for a reply. I also for 2 sets of rear 5100's for $180 which is about what one pair costs new, so I buy it and sell the other to recoup-

Now we're am I gonna find 63" Chevy springs?!

Pirate4x4 has them. You'll need to have new mounts welded on but, you won't have to remove the stock mounts. Hence, the option of being able to switch back and forth if needed.

dyogim
01-19-2012, 12:50 AM
If you can hold out for a couple of months I can get you a pair of sway away adjustable coil overs for the front. Back then they were referred to as Teamwest Swayaways. They were the first set of adjustable coil overs with the top heim joints. They need to be rebuilt so my uncle might let them go for cheap.

TheJosh
01-19-2012, 12:54 AM
If you can hold out for a couple of months I can get you a pair of sway away adjustable coil overs for the front. Back then they were referred to as Teamwest Swayaways. They were the first set of adjustable coil overs with the top heim joints. They need to be rebuilt so my uncle might let them go for cheap.

How much you think they would run? And how much to rebuild?

I could probably hold off a couple months for the front. In The meantime I can figure out the rear.

I think I'll order The airlift airbags too

dyogim
01-19-2012, 01:18 AM
How much you think they would run? And how much to rebuild?

I could probably hold off a couple months for the front. In The meantime I can figure out the rear.

I think I'll order The airlift airbags too

He lives in Hawaii and plans to come to the mainland in April. I'll ask him to bring them with him. I think he was quoted 150 to rebuild. It may be worth the it to get the 5100's first. The rear Chevy swap kit can be purchased from ruffstuffspecialties.com

mattafact
01-20-2012, 05:30 AM
I had a set of Donahoe Racing/Icons on the front of my 03 Tundra and they were incredible.

Verde Rat
01-20-2012, 06:08 PM
In lieu of airbags you could go with some Timbern SES , I’m using them in combination with a AAL and 1” block. I will say that they seem overpriced for a piece of rubber but, they work fine for me.

As for the Front suspension, my 1st gen Tundra is running Donahos (ICON) set at 2.5” and my 1st gen Sequoia is using the Bilstein 5100s set on the second notch (3/4”). The Dahahos are a great set up but expensive the Bilsteins work just fine and have greatly improved the Big Tree’s ride for a reasonable price.

TheJosh
01-20-2012, 06:18 PM
Thank you everyone for your input. I pulled the trigger yesterday on a setup. I ordered bilsteins 5100's all around. 3 leaf add-a-leaf kit made by alcan And The airlift airbags. I think this will be a good setup for me since I always have 330lbs in my bed and I'm always towing a dump trailer

Derek24
01-21-2012, 04:58 AM
Sounds good! That's a nice set-up. Make sure you keep your overload spring when you install the 3-leaf pack as it does decrease load capacity. I have the same set-up and I took out my overload spring, but will re-install it again since my rear end is sagging with my campershell. The ride is great though!

Petrolburner
01-23-2012, 11:01 PM
If I had the money to spare I'd get airbags for the rear. I've only seen the Firestone airbags, what kind did you order?

TheJosh
01-31-2012, 12:39 AM
Okay so the rear end is all done, I didn't have time to crank out the front but plan to do it this next weekend. I went slowly a few hours here a few hours there. On Friday night I just jacked up The truck and removed The wheels. Saturday morning I did the leafs and springs. Then on Sunday morning I did the airbags.

I'm just heading home from my first full day with The setup. I put on 125 miles today With my trailer and let me just say (even though I just did the rear) The ride is excellent!!! These airbags are so awesome, not only is the truck level but so smooth like I'm floating on clouds when I hit huge potholes. Here's some pics

TheJosh
02-06-2012, 03:05 PM
all done!


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/chevelle02/Wheelin/file-599.jpg

Box Rocket
02-06-2012, 04:48 PM
A good friend of mine has a first gen Tundra that is his work truck and doubles as his tow rig. He frequently tows his tandem axle trailer loaded with his heavily modified FJ40. He is running stock suspension with the addition of some airbags. The bags are only used when towing and really stablizes the rear of the truck with the weight of the trailer and FJ40. Obviously it also levels out the ride height when towing. Has been working great for him.