Flyingwil's Taco is growing up!

[articulate]

Holy Smokes!!! :Wow1:
"It's just a flesh wound."

[flyingwil]

"It's just a flesh wound."

I'll remember that line next time you cut yourself with a steak knife at Teakwoods!

:oops:

At least we got to use the first aid kit in the Xterra... it has the goofy bump in the rear hatch for a reason.

[flyingwil]

Well, the guys a Deaver are great. Had the springs into them at 07:30 and they were ready shortly after lunch. While they were playing with them I had them add another leaf to make it an 11 pack.

While under the truck I also replaced the shocks to Bilstein 5125's
Part #s: BE5-6253 (pas) and BE5-6252 (Driver)

Now rides like a champ!


While taking the springs off after work, I was walking the rear up using the high-lift and CRASH! Yeah forgot to block the front tires. Yeah it could have been real bad, but the only damage was to the poor e-locker harness which got its wires ripped out. Should be able to fix that over the weekend.

REMINDER TO BLOCK WHEELS!!!

LOL

Thanks to F'n Mark for helping put the springs on last night to get able to drive to work today!:Mechanic:

[tdesanto]

CRASH! Yeah forgot to block the front tires...REMINDER TO BLOCK WHEELS!!!

Glad no one was injured :smilies27

Post a pick or two of the new leaf pack. I remember that before the recent work they were almost completely parallel to the ground.

Glad it's riding better now.

You've done a lot of work on the truck recently, especially for having recently recovered from the plague.

[flyingwil]

Post a pick or two of the new leaf pack. I remember that before the recent work they were almost completely parallel to the ground.

Will do once I get home...

[articulate]

Glad no one was injured :smilies27
His ego had to be pretty well damaged to resort to calling me for help.
:oops:

[flyingwil]

His ego had to be pretty well damaged to resort to calling me for help.
:oops:

yah, we all know how mechanically inclined you are! I just needed your brain to help me think outside the box!

again, thanks amigo!

[FlyingWen]

His ego had to be pretty well damaged to resort to calling me for help.
:oops:

Well.. being married can do that to a man. I came flying outside with my camera when I heard a boom. Poor Wil was still scratching his head by the time I was done taking pics... LOL

[flyingwil]

Well.. being married can do that to a man. I came flying outside with my camera when I heard a boom. Poor Wil was still scratching his head by the time I was done taking pics... LOL

GO a head and post them up... I am over it and now think it is funny...

[TACODOC]

:lurk:












Glad you're OK!

But, I'm LMAO right now! We demand pics!

[flyingwil]

We demand pics!

Check out FlyingWen's post:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11784

[Overland Hadley]

While taking the springs off after work, I was walking the rear up using the high-lift and CRASH! Yeah forgot to block the front tires. Yeah it could have been real bad, but the only damage was to the poor e-locker harness which got its wires ripped out. Should be able to fix that over the weekend.

REMINDER TO BLOCK WHEELS!!!




Glad you and the truck are okay.

[FlyingWen]

GO a head and post them up... I am over it and now think it is funny...

Your gonna be sorry.....:wings:

[p1michaud]

Well, I have been having issues with my rear suspension since the trophy... I found the culprit! Off to Deaver tomorrow to get them fixed:

http://lh3.google.com/flyingwil/R6kNpUaMoPI/AAAAAAAACA0/IjfBmf-0Myo/s800/DSC_0002.JPG

Yikes! Must of been that sand course driving norhtern bandit...
You going to a set of 11 - 12 leafs?
Cheers :beer:,
P

[Willman]

Yikes! Must of been that sand course driving norhtern bandit...
You going to a set of 11 - 12 leafs?
Cheers :beer:,
P

My 10 pack leafs are still going strong!!!

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f374/nicwillman/DSC03565.jpg

But 11 or 12 pack would give the rear a little more beef........:REExeSquatsHL1:

[flyingwil]

Yikes! Must of been that sand course driving norhtern bandit...
You going to a set of 11 - 12 leafs?
Cheers :beer:,
P

LOL, I had Deaver put in another leaf to make it an 11 pack. As Tony stated above the leaves were sitting almost completely flat as it was... once I was loaded it was negatively arching just slightly, and that was the cause of the shock issue from the Trophy.

Most can get away with a 10 pack, but apparently my Taco needs a diet and therefore needed an 11 pack.

The springs are now settled in and it now rides like it should... night and day difference. I can now make a left turn with out worrying about rolling over! It had a wicked lean to the passenger side.

[p1michaud]

Most can get away with a 10 pack, but apparently my Taco needs a diet and therefore needed an 11 pack.

Too much junk inside that trunk...:shakin:

Glad to hear that Deaver fixed the rear leafs up for you!

[flyingwil]

Well... just broke my Deavers today....

Went out on a small test run today to test some small items. I got the rear wheel stuffed, when I heard a snap! I broke the top leaf of my Deaver 11 Pack. :eek:

I am pissed, I have two trips on them since they were re-built by Deaver when I had the spring clip issue. When they did that I had them add another leaf, and re-arch the springs... as the 10 pack was sitting pretty flat.

SO, my question is this, by having the springs re-arched could that cause the springs to be weaker from the re-arching them?

http://lh6.google.com/flyingwil/R9NkiJ8WcEI/AAAAAAAACF0/0BSErIIV21Y/s800/DSC_0098.JPG

http://lh4.google.com/flyingwil/R9Nkip8WcFI/AAAAAAAACF8/cxRH-5cfSco/s800/DSC_0101.JPG

[TACODOC]

Well... just broke my Deavers today....


SO, my question is this, by having the springs re-arched could that cause the springs to be weaker from the re-arching them?

DUDE! That sucks!

Re-arching the springs doesn't seem like it would be good for them, but who's to say?

... When you coming back out this way for repairs? :elkgrin:

[flyingwil]

DUDE! That sucks!

Re-arching the springs doesn't seem like it would be good for them, but who's to say?

... When you coming back out this way for repairs? :elkgrin:

Not sure... I am pretty mad... so I think I am going to try and make them pay for everything, if I can have them shipped to me great! We'll find out on Monday.

[TACODOC]

I don't blame you.

I spoke with them about my rear end sag issues since adding the bumper and was told that despite having already bought and paid for the LARGEST leaf pack they make for my Tacoma (which was supposed to not sag) that there was nothing that could be done for my sag short of dropping $700 for a completely new CUSTOM set of springs...

I'm still not happy with that answer and may take my business to National Spring in San Diego...

[flyingwil]

I don't blame you.

I spoke with them about my rear end sag issues since adding the bumper and was told that despite having already bought and paid for the LARGEST leaf pack they make for my Tacoma (which was supposed to not sag) that there was nothing that could be done for my sag short of dropping $700 for a completely new CUSTOM set of springs...

I'm still not happy with that answer and may take my business to National Spring in San Diego...


Yeah, so far the rear springs have been nothing but issues since I took out the lift blocks... I kinda want them back! AllPro springs and that issue.... now this is issue #2 with Deaver. I should went with Alcans

[Streakerfreak]

I should went with Alcans

:Wow1:That's too bad that your having those kind of problems and amazed that it snapped so easily. Anyways, I'm having ZERO issues with my custom Alcans:sombrero:

I spoke before on another thread about there excellent customer service. It really can't be beat. They made a life long customer out of me.

Also, when I put my CBI swing out bumper on, there was no sag at all. I still had the same amount of height in the rear. I don't know why Alcans are not very popular here, but they should be. I usually don't recommend something just because I own it. I know I have stuff that is not the best and could be better, but I do know that Alcan has been a good company to me and I chose the right product.

[blupaddler]

Wil, sorry to hear about your frustrations.



I have to second Doc's suggestion about National Spring. They are here in SD, so not local for you. But I have heard nothing but good from them. A friend has a 4x4 Van that has their springs and he loves them. They can figure out your weight and make springs accordingly. And, look at it this way, it's gonna start getting hot in Arizona. Might as well come out to sunny San Diego! I know where you could stay too!:sombrero:




:safari-rig:

[p1michaud]

Well... just broke my Deavers today....


SO, my question is this, by having the springs re-arched could that cause the springs to be weaker from the re-arching them?

Wil,

I was told to ask one A Walter about the broken spring road...

Seriously that is really anoying. Here's my take on re-arching. IMO re-arching will not cause the springs to be weaker unless there is already a flaw in the material before they are re-arched. In that case all it would do is accelerate the failure. Material failure is usually driven by stress risers (concentrated load in one area) or material defects combined with cyclic loading (called fatigue failure). In your case I suspect that there was a material flaw that finally caused the spring to fail when you stressed it (flexed it).

I would go with a new set of 11 leafs and that should solve your problems.

For the record I've busted 3 leaf springs on my Tacoma:
OEM spring on passenger, full OEM replacement springs both passenger and driver site. I'm now using a set of Deaver 9 leafs with no failures but thew do sag when loaded. Time to lighten up the rear!

Good luck.
P

P.S. Did you fix that e-locker wiring problem?

...).

[Jacket]

Damn dude. It may be top to drop Deaver, and try something new/different. That would piss me off too. Maybe they just can't handle the weight/flex combo that you are throwing at them on the trails?

[articulate]

Valley Spring Service is near downtown Phoenix. Since they're local, they are worth talking to.

[Desertdude]

Quick Deaver Spring Story;

Started with the 9 leafs - they worked well until I finished loading the Tacoma with the rest of the mods. (not heavy enough.) Switched to 11 leafs after I explained to Scott Born at Deaver my weight needs. Installed the springs and in less than two weeks the springs went flat - the leaves actually had ripples and were dead flat on one side ( the other side on its way flat.)

Called Scott Born at Deaver and he shipped out a new 11 leaf pack and asked me to send back the bad set. After 3 years now they have put up with all the abuse I have given them.

Recently I have removed all the mods on the back of the Tacoma to freshen up parts of what is loaded in the bed, the Springs arched up a bit due to less weight I guess this means they still have a bit of life left in them.

Building springs, and anything Metallurgy appear to be part art part science. Takes a bit of care to get it right every time.

[flyingwil]

Scott at Deaver is great, and it was great to meet him in person on my last visit. I am just hoping that this is a fluke, and not my fault. It upsets me that they broke the second time on the trail! Wasn't even a good spot to break 'em! I had to gimp 17 miles to the pavement, but hey it could have been worse. It looks like they broke in the right spot, being in front of the axle, and not the aft.

[flyingwil]

Well I have a few options here, and am rather torn in how to correct this issue.

1.) Have Deaver look at both springs and work their magic.
2.) Have deaver send me two new top springs and replace both and keep the extra one as a spare.
3.) Take to a local Spring shop and have them replace the top springs on both spring packs.


What do you guys think? I need to act fast as my truck is also my DD.

[tdesanto]

Well I have a few options here, and am rather torn in how to correct this issue.

1.) Have Deaver look at both springs and work their magic.
2.) Have deaver send me two new top springs and replace both and keep the extra one as a spare.
3.) Take to a local Spring shop and have them replace the top springs on both spring packs.


What do you guys think? I need to act fast as my truck is also my DD.

#1 is best if you had more time. If they caused the problem, they should remedy the situation.

#3 is probalby your best bet to get it back on the road.

#2 I would only consider this as an option if you have enough time to do the work yourself, but want them to at least pay for the replacement leaves.

Maybe you could combine #'s 2 & 3 and save yourself some $ and time/effort? I knew those project management skills wouldn't be wasted :)

Good luck whatever you decide.

[ntsqd]

Do you still have the original springs? If so, I'd temporarily swap them out and send those with the problem back to Deaver.

[flyingwil]

Do you still have the original springs? If so, I'd temporarily swap them out and send those with the problem back to Deaver.

Nope they got recycled.

[Willman]

I vote for #1.....Deaver should take those back and fit them!!!


:costumed-smiley-007

[Willman]

Nope they got recycled.

Their always people offing their spring packs on TTORA......pickup a local pack or see if you guys can make one car work for a while.....


:smilies27

[flyingwil]

Here are some E-mails I have been having with Deaver...



From: Wil Kuhns
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:32 PM
To: service@deaverspring.com
Subject: Broken top Spring

Greetings Gentlemen,

My name is William (Wil) Kuhns and I brought my 10 pack leaf set for a 2001 Toyota Tacoma in on Feb 5th, to repair a spring clip issue, add another leaf and re-arch the leaves. (I was the one that drove in from Phoenix, AZ and met with Scott). Well it was a perfect fix for the springs, until the second time out on the trail. I went out to test some other modifications to my truck and picked a nice and easy trail (on a 1 to 10 scale it was a 3, 3=Stock vehicle). I had to go over an obstacle (pile of rocks) which flexes the rear rather well, but not quite to the bump stops. As soon as the rear passenger wheel went up, I heard a snap! Yup, low and behold, it snapped the top spring.

So my question is this, by adding the additional spring, and having it re-arched did that weaken the spring causing my failure? What do I need to do get this corrected, it is not like I was abusing the springs or jumping the truck. My truck is a heavy, as mentioned when I was out there due to the all the expedition equipment, and I need it to be as reliable as possible. So, I am now concerned with the springs on the Driver's side.

I think there are a few options to repair these, and would like to resolve this as soon as possible as the truck is my daily driver. Please let me know your thoughts on this. You may contact me by e-mail or by phone at ______.

Below are some pictures taken from the trail, and you can see the top spring is broken.

http://lh6.google.com/flyingwil/R9NkiJ8WcEI/AAAAAAAACF0/0BSErIIV21Y/s800/DSC_0098.JPG

http://lh4.google.com/flyingwil/R9Nkip8WcFI/AAAAAAAACF8/cxRH-5cfSco/s800/DSC_0101.JPG

Thanks,
Wil

Their Reply:


>>> "Deaver Service" <service@deaverspring.com> 3/11/2008 3:14 PM >>>

Well in no way did the reworking of the spring compromise the integrity of the main leaf. I’m not sure why it broke other than it happens off road all the time but I am in no way blaming the driver. Unfortunately I do not stock that main leaf so I will have to look into getting one made for you. I will be in touch sometime mid morning tomorrow with you as to what we are looking at.

My reply:

From: Wil Kuhns
To: Service, Deaver
Date: 3/11/2008 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Broken top Spring


Thanks for the quick reply Scott. I am worried about the drivers side spring as well, if this happened to the passenger's side, what is to say that it will not happen to the driver's side? Can you look into two replacement top springs?

Thanks,

Wil Kuhns

Their Reply:

>>> "Deaver Service" <service@deaverspring.com> 3/11/2008 3:53 PM >>>

Yes I will absolutely.


So I have one more day to figure this out, and I have to give props to Deaver for looking into the issue for me.:bowdown:

[Desertdude]

I would work with Scott at Deaver, You have a relationship there - give it a chance.

He will ultimately make it right, and you will be back on the road again.

[RHINO]

ditto what the dude sayz,,,, i hear many more thumbs up about deaver than thumbs down and i have no complaints about the deaver 10 packs under my rig.

[PHXtaco]

Hey Will,

I still have my stock springs sitting in my back yard and I am here in Mesa. If you want to borrow them while you send yours to Deaver just send me an e-mail: aair@juno.com

(Yea I know doing a spring swap twice sucks!)
Craig

[Photog]

Hey Will,

I still have my stock springs sitting in my back yard and I am here in Mesa. If you want to borrow them while you send yours to Deaver just send me an e-mail: aair@juno.com

(Yea I know doing a spring swap twice sucks!)
Craig

Maybe, just swap out the top spring. I know it is just as much work; but the stock spring pack, probably won't hold up the heavy rig.

[ntsqd]

Likely more work since the center pin (can easily be a PITA!) and the keepers would need to be fiddled with. The stock springs should hold up the truck to at least it's GVW, though I'm quite sure that the ride quality will suffer. As long as no trips are planned until after this is resolved that should only be a minor irritant.

[flyingwil]

Ok springs got fixed... Deaver sent me two new top springs, and I had them re built at Spectrac Parts & Services (http://www.spectrac.com/). Took the Taco out on a run the prior week to test... all was good.

http://lh6.google.com/flyingwil/R-8m2IxeIVI/AAAAAAAACNE/vSdJzYhQBVA/s800/Sony%20062.jpg

http://lh5.google.com/flyingwil/R_m6VYxeI0I/AAAAAAAACSE/yKwnPMPtU3Y/s800/DSC00210.JPG.jpg

Also got the winch built and installed!!! About time. The winch is a hybrid T-MAX 9000. It started off with the EW-9000-WCP competition winch, and I swapped drums, winch brake, and tire bars with an EW-9000W, and added 100' of Master Pull synthetic 5/16" with a Viking HD line protector added...

I have scattered pictures... so bear with me as i start to upload them...

http://lh6.google.com/flyingwil/R_m2FoxeIpI/AAAAAAAACQU/5JwCPGTqFl0/s800/DSC00289.JPG.jpg

http://lh6.google.com/flyingwil/R_m5koxeItI/AAAAAAAACRQ/MYpNMR1-Seg/s800/IMG_1737.JPG.jpg

More to come as I get the pics organized...

[p1michaud]

Took the Taco out on a run the prior week to test... all was good.

http://lh5.google.com/flyingwil/R_m6VYxeI0I/AAAAAAAACSE/yKwnPMPtU3Y/s800/DSC00210.JPG.jpg



Wil,
Glad to read that the Taco is back on the road. :rockon: I'm digging the new bumper, lights and winch set up. Enough to intimidate you if you were to see it coming at you in your rear view mirror. Now have you fixed that pesky e-locker wiring yet?
Cheers,
P

[flyingwil]

Now have you fixed that pesky e-locker wiring yet?
Cheers,
P

MMMM... not yet, the locker still locks and unlocks, just no idiot light in the cab. Once I have time it will get fixed. Baby's take a lot of your time, so it can wait while I get daddy time.

http://lh3.google.com/flyingwil/R-8zvYxeIlI/AAAAAAAACPQ/pe4vyHYgBgE/s400/Sony%20083.jpg http://lh4.google.com/flyingwil/R-82ioxeInI/AAAAAAAACPk/mRH1Jnfejhg/s400/Sony%20085.jpg

[kcowyo]

The truck is looking boss Wil.


92% complete..... What could that last 8% include?..... :peepwall:
.

[flyingwil]

92% complete..... What could that last 8% include?..... :peepwall:

Water Storage/Shower
CarPC/Navigation
Front Locker
Some other ideas... We all know you never get to 100% done.... time to just go and enjoy it!

[Willman]

Looking great Wil!

Can't wait to hear back on how the new winch works out!

:camping:

[TACODOC]

MMMM... not yet, the locker still locks and unlocks, just no idiot light in the cab. Once I have time it will get fixed. Baby's take a lot of your time, so it can wait while I get daddy time.

http://lh3.google.com/flyingwil/R-8zvYxeIlI/AAAAAAAACPQ/pe4vyHYgBgE/s400/Sony%20083.jpg http://lh4.google.com/flyingwil/R-82ioxeInI/AAAAAAAACPk/mRH1Jnfejhg/s400/Sony%20085.jpg

Awesome pics Wil!

... THAT is what it is all about :punk03:

[tdesanto]

Lookin' good Wil; lookin' good. :av-7:

[The BN Guy]

Good looking rig there Wil! One of these days I'll get the mod itch going and Stormy'll catch up.

[p1michaud]

Water Storage/Shower
CarPC/Navigation
Front Locker
Some other ideas... We all know you never get to 100% done.... time to just go and enjoy it!

More weight! I bet your rig will be heavier than Scott's at this pace. Have you had it to the scales yet or are you just in denial?

[flyingwil]

Have you had it to the scales yet or are you just in denial?

I am in complete denial... I am afraid of the scale!

[Desertdude]

I am in complete denial... I am afraid of the scale!


Better not to know...:iagree:

[articulate]

Wil, you ready to take some photos at Saguaro Lake?

:ylsmoke:

[flyingwil]

Wil, you ready to take some photos at Saguaro Lake?

:ylsmoke:

Yeah, just need to crank the front CO's up a bit (about .75") and I am good to go!

[flyingwil]

Wil, you ready to take some photos at Saguaro Lake?

:ylsmoke:


PS... I want the hooker too.

[p1michaud]

I am in complete denial... I am afraid of the scale!

You are not the only one. I ask because while working on my available payload for the Tacoma it looks like I'm going to have to shed 500 lbs with my GVW at 5100lbs!

:yikes:

I'm working on a spreadsheet where you can put some numbers in and it will spit out your remaining available payload. I'll start a thread here shortly.

Cheers,
P

[flyingwil]

Updated pic... thanks to f'n Mark and his new camera....

http://lh5.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SAzUJkm2tvI/AAAAAAAACao/4oehhfvskog/s800/16.JPG


Need to fix the CB antenna before this weekend... :bike_rider:

[bobmuley]

Prior to the ExPo Rally in Nov I did the dif breather mod, following these two write ups:
WATTORA's Write-UP (http://www.wattora.com/mods/diffbreather/)
4x4 Wire's Write-Up (http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/minutemods/breather/)
...... Hope it helps... Thanks to WATTORA and 4x4 Wire's for the write-ups!

WilWhat about the front diff? Where does that breather hose end up?

[flyingwil]

What about the front diff? Where does that breather hose end up?

Most just extend it up to the firewall or opt to plumb it into the air intake.

[TACODOC]

Lookin' great! :sombrero:

[mountainpete]

Most just extend it up to the firewall or opt to plumb it into the air intake.

I need to do that still - I keep forgetting. I've been very lucky so far since I've been over those breathers more then a few times.

Pete

[flyingwil]

Well the BFG's started to leak. Upon closer inspection of the tires, there is a crack on near one of the sidewall treads that when under pressure releases air. Noting like heading out at 45psi and 3 miles latter being at 30psi, needless to say the Extremeaire got to flex its mussels.

So, I ended up ordering a set of 5 Toyo Open Country MT's, and a set of black soft 8's to go with 'em. Now to wait until Thursday to get them on.

I have been having some issues with the battery combiner, and should be installing the National Luna kit (http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=543) today. Now to just figure out where to mount the dual battery controller and I'll start on that project.

[Willman]

Sorry to here about your rubber!...How many miles did you get out of the old BF's??....How much thread left?

But.......cool that you are getting new rubber!

Can't wait to see the pictures of the new shoes.....same size?

:camping:

[OverlandZJ]

Thats one beautiful rig you have built Wil.

[Overland Hadley]

Sorry to here about your rubber!...How many miles did you get out of the old BF's??....How much thread left?



X2

[tdesanto]

Well the BFG's started to leak. Upon closer inspection of the tires, there is a crack on near one of the sidewall treads that when under pressure releases air.

Dude, that's too bad. How many miles did you get out of them?


...needless to say the Extremeaire got to flex its mussels.

So, were these fresh water or salt water mollusks?

[flyingwil]

Sorry to here about your rubber!...How many miles did you get out of the old BF's??....How much thread left?
Just enough that I thought I had a few more months on them... Not sure, but I'll check and post up later.


But.......cool that you are getting new rubber!

Can't wait to see the pictures of the new shoes.....same size?
Yep sticking with the 255/86R16's, but switching to the Toyo's.


Thats one beautiful rig you have built Wil.
Thanks amigo!

Dude, that's too bad. How many miles did you get out of them?
I think I got in the 45-50k range... My truck's at about 120K and I want to say I put them on at around 70-75K, but I'll have to check my receipts to confirm.

So, were these fresh water or salt water mollusks? Dang firefox spell check! At least I spell checked it! LOL

[flyingwil]

Now that the article is out, I can share some cool pics that Jeffery Scott was kind enough to take of my truck...

Just a cool shot:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-gXCWwlI/AAAAAAAADEM/p3PaSLvM94A/s800/wil%2033.jpg

The rear drawer system:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-i0S1_uI/AAAAAAAADFM/0de9dHeSKPo/s800/wil%2017.jpg

These two were taken to show off the Total Vision Camera System (http://www.totalvisionproducts.com/products/racing.html):
http://lh3.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-kyy-1tI/AAAAAAAADGI/cteM1xxBJyg/s800/wil%2024.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-mb5l1sI/AAAAAAAADGQ/RjOU1_mPqhY/s800/wil%2025.jpg

Light Painting:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-hVrLw9I/AAAAAAAADEk/4oIQ4thAdyE/s800/wil%2034.jpg

Another cool shot...
http://lh3.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-gtE_V_I/AAAAAAAADEU/B7CoArqDPso/s800/wil%2011.jpg

Thanks again master of the Camera!!!!

I'll get more up later... I was just taking a quick break from work.

[p1michaud]

Can your truck get any cooler?
I see some nice shiny Bilsteins under the rear, just in time for this year's sand course I see...
What battery management system were you using before?
Cheers,
P

[flyingwil]

P, I was using the SurePower unit. I was having issues with the AUX batter charging, and rather than troubleshooting it was just easier to install the NL kit. I like the kit much better due to the controller and alarm and smother solenoid engagement. The SurePower unit would set of the glass break sensor since I had it mounted on the front of the firewall.

I think I am going to hang on it, incase we want to install a third battery or a dual set-up in KJ. We'll see.

I was in a rush and didn't take much pictures of the set-up, but I basically followed the directions for an install with a winch. Glad I read the entire manual before installing. I'll try and post up some shots later on.

[Willman]

These two were taken to show off the Total Vision Camera System (http://www.totalvisionproducts.com/products/racing.html):
http://lh3.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-kyy-1tI/AAAAAAAADGI/cteM1xxBJyg/s800/wil%2024.jpg


http://lh4.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-mb5l1sI/AAAAAAAADGQ/RjOU1_mPqhY/s800/wil%2025.jpg



Two sick shots my man!!! :bowdown:

Two bad that they didn't make the mag!

We will have to use them for our website for sure!

;)

[RoundOut]

Looks great, Wil. Those are sure some phine photos!


.

[Overland Hadley]

Another cool shot...
http://lh3.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-gtE_V_I/AAAAAAAADEU/B7CoArqDPso/s800/wil%2011.jpg


Looking good!

[flyingwil]

OK, here's some picture of the NL installed and the new shoes!

I mounted the National Luna Intelligent Solenoid - Dual Battery Isolator (http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=155) in the same spot that the surepower unit was located on the fire wall to the drivers side of the brakes. Now I just have to figure out where to mount the controller in the cab.... hmmmm???

http://lh4.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMygYv79LGI/AAAAAAAADHs/Fezhj6837TI/s800/DSC00571.JPG

OH and the new wheels and shoes...

http://lh5.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMygjUiHZ6I/AAAAAAAADIY/Mjbf62N3kq0/s800/DSC00576.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMygh2MNejI/AAAAAAAADIQ/NLkgxe8chKM/s800/DSC00575.JPG

Ummm, yeah, the chrome is going away... yuck :smilies27 need to wait for parts to get in.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMyglNL3FeI/AAAAAAAADIg/F-O2p2cxaJM/s800/DSC00577.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMygfQNIZNI/AAAAAAAADII/2weCnK9Tdek/s800/DSC00574.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMygrFh2uHI/AAAAAAAADI4/Hdp9nnVQerA/s800/DSC00580.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMygm6xwtgI/AAAAAAAADIo/enix376qMJQ/s800/DSC00578.JPG

I can't wait to get the freaking chrome off! I think the black lugs and center caps are due on Wednesday!

[Jacket]

Looks nice Wil. The NL system might be on my winter list of upgrades for the Tacoma.

How much do those E rated Toyo's weigh in at? How 'bout just removing the center caps all together? That's my preference....

[Overland Hadley]

Good looking shoes!

[p1michaud]

Hmmm, issues with your spare battery not charging. Was that because of the SurePower unit? I like the new shoes and soles! Looks much better in black.
Cheers,
P

[Willman]

Love the new shoes!!

What's up with the chome caps????....Adding little bling bling to her!!!:shakin: J/K!!


:arabia:

[Purple People Eater]

No excuses next time!:p

Looks amazing, Wil! Good choice.

[ntsqd]

FWIW I long ago quit running center caps of any sort. They serve no function beyond cosmetic, and I don't value that particular look very high. My experience is that unless a bolt-on cap once they've got some miles on them they work a little loose and become a rattle.
I paint the area exposed and without the caps in place I can easily check wheel bearing temperatures.

[flyingwil]

Hmmm, issues with your spare battery not charging. Was that because of the SurePower unit?

I think it was due to the SurePower unit. It would abnormally combine at random intervals. I'm not 100% certain it was the unit itself, yet.

[blupaddler]

They look good Wil!
You will like the tires, mine just endured another trip to Baja and back without any problems.


BTW... I dig the VW emblem on the back wall.
:bike_rider:

[The BN Guy]

Looking very cool Wil!

[ToyFamily]

Nice article in 4wd Toyota Owners.


Nick

[FlyingWen]

Nice article in 4wd Toyota Owners.

Nick

We are very proud of it! A HUGE thank you goes out to Jeffery Scott for taking all the killer pictures that were in the magazine. Also, Articulate took the cover shot!

Thanks guys!

[tdesanto]

:sombrero:

[Jacket]

You know, the problem with these 50 page mod threads is that it's too damn hard to find what you are looking for...:smilies27

So did your Engel end up in the drawer system for the bed? I was looking at both yours and articulate's drawer/fridge installs, and wondering where the fridge ends up in the bed when everything is closed up. Is it at the front of the bed (nearest to the cab), or over the axle? Any issues with it getting bounced around back there?

Seems like it would need to be between the bed and the axle for stability reasons when installed in the truck bed. But to do that, you'd have to have a pull out drawer so that you can have reasonable access to the fridge.

[flyingwil]

You know, the problem with these 50 page mod threads is that it's too damn hard to find what you are looking for...:smilies27

So did your Engel end up in the drawer system for the bed? I was looking at both yours and articulate's drawer/fridge installs, and wondering where the fridge ends up in the bed when everything is closed up. Is it at the front of the bed (nearest to the cab), or over the axle? Any issues with it getting bounced around back there?

Seems like it would need to be between the bed and the axle for stability reasons when installed in the truck bed. But to do that, you'd have to have a pull out drawer so that you can have reasonable access to the fridge.

My Engel is installed using an engel slide on the rear of the bed. I honestly liked it the best when it was installed in the cab and slide slid out the door, but with FlyingBaby now in the picture, it no longer is an option.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SMW-i0S1_uI/AAAAAAAADFM/0de9dHeSKPo/s800/wil%2017.jpg

Feel free to PM me with questions.

[flyingwil]

I followed the lead of Jeremy and Blake in installing the remote head in the headliner.

Here you can see the speaker and face plate install all glued down:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SQIfDYYM-LI/AAAAAAAADYc/6gjviacwbVw/s800/DSC00632.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SQIfP4eiMWI/AAAAAAAADL4/cUZKNioQ28k/s800/DSC00635.JPG


http://lh5.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SQIfVDvCx1I/AAAAAAAADMA/9_ilSuj7rOA/s800/DSC00636.JPG

Then all taped up in case the glue gives...
http://lh3.ggpht.com/flyingwil/SQIfheoXqII/AAAAAAAADMk/Rp6SfbbPtgs/s800/DSC00640.JPG

I'll post up more once get out and take some pics of the "after."

[Cobra69]

I'm alittle confused.........what is that and what is it for? I know I'm gonna regret asking that.

[Willman]

^^^^

Wil just got a 2m radio! I believe a Yaesu 7800....






Looking good Wil.......Did you also remote mount the mic too?? or does it hang overhead??

:bowdown:

[Cobra69]

Sweet!! Is that the inside of the cap you mounted it too?

[flyingwil]

I remote mounted the mic as well... I used a 6 pin flat wire made by Phillips. The mic cord connector comes out just below the CB (in the ash tray location).

[flyingwil]

Sweet!! Is that the inside of the cap you mounted it too?

Its actually the head liner for the cab of the truck. More pics to come when I can get outside and take a picture.

[FourByLand]

Can't wait to see the finished product, Wil!

[Willman]

Can't wait to see the finished product, Wil!

Bump!!!!

:sombrero:

[mrwizard]

brand new to the forum, but not new to yotas....this is a great build up. just spent the last hour reading through it. very nice work. can't wait to see more mods.

[flyingwil]

Its actually the head liner for the cab of the truck. More pics to come when I can get outside and take a picture.


OK pics finally!
Radio unit is mounted on the back wall of the cab so that I can easily access the data port with out folding the seat down. It is also on a slight angle to allow for easier access to the data port.
Radio remote mount:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SQzA5rhZFmI/AAAAAAAADcc/pM0b-poPwnk/s800/DSC00829.JPG

Aux Speaker and head unit:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SQzA72N2pjI/AAAAAAAADck/2HtZEyrNhmk/s800/DSC00830.JPG

Unit on (view from driver's seat):
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SQzA_u_yBvI/AAAAAAAADc0/KCBqI2cgCik/s800/DSC00832.JPG

Mic install... using a 6 pin wire and connector hidden behind the scangauge.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SQzBFZiK7oI/AAAAAAAADdE/Z19dHPcuYGo/s800/DSC00834.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SQzBMUJWVeI/AAAAAAAADdc/79NEwo2l43o/s800/DSC00837.JPG

Mic is mounted in the "blank" where the airbag selector would be on non-dub cab models.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SQzBKuINMFI/AAAAAAAADdU/1HvNboIE1vs/s800/DSC00836.JPG

Antenna:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SQzBOKoUlII/AAAAAAAADdk/-XTOP5ubi00/s800/DSC00838.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SQzBTXCo69I/AAAAAAAADd0/mmu_946E8LQ/s800/DSC00840.JPG

[Overland Hadley]

Nice job with the instalation. Very clean.

[Cobra69]

Is that an after market headliner? if so where did you get it?

[Purple People Eater]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SQzBKuINMFI/AAAAAAAADdU/1HvNboIE1vs/s800/DSC00836.JPG


Everything is pretty sweet in your truck, Wil, but I am most envious of the status of your gas gauge.
:o

[flyingwil]

Is that an after market headliner? if so where did you get it?

No, it is the stock head liner, I just cut into the hump that is between the two sun visors. Its just dead space.

[flyingwil]

Everything is pretty sweet in your truck, Wil, but I am most envious of the status of your gas gauge.
:o

LOL Ummmm yeah, thats after a $50 fill-up!

[daverami]

I remote mounted the mic as well... I used a 6 pin flat wire made by Phillips. The mic cord connector comes out just below the CB (in the ash tray location).

Wil,

Really a nice install. Where did you pick up the Phillips 6-pin wire and connectors?

David

[flyingwil]

Wil,

Really a nice install. Where did you pick up the Phillips 6-pin wire and connectors?

David

Ummm... ok so I was at HRO and asked them about where to buy the wire and connector, they said, *cough* check Wal-Mart *cough*. Sure enough they had them there, actually that's all they had was 6-pin wires and connectors.

[tdesanto]

Great install, Wil. Glad you finally got the photos up. I need to document mine too soon.

[taco chaser]

Nice set up.:cool:

[FlyingWen]

Wow.. ever clean the inside of that Rig?

:yikes:

[Momrocks]

You're right Wen, do you hose him off in the driveway before you let him come into the house?

[BLKNBLU]

Wow.. ever clean the inside of that Rig?

:yikes:
Oh, c'mon Wen. You know how this desert is. You clean it, go in for a cool drink, come back out, and.... it's all dusty again. The never ending battle.

[Braz475]

oops double post.

[Braz475]

I'm sure you've listed it somewhere in here but I was only motivated enough to read about 20 pages:REExeSquatsHL1: :rolleyes:

What was your reasons for choosing the ShrockWorks front bumper over an ARB or something that you would not have to wait 11 months for? Lighting options? Weight? Design? Approach angle? Just cause...?

[Overland Hadley]

What was your reasons for choosing the ShrockWorks front bumper over an ARB or something that you would not have to wait 11 months for? Lighting options? Weight? Design? Approach angle? Just cause...?

I had also wanted to ask you this.
Maybe because the ShrockWorks looks so damn cool?

[flyingwil]

I'm sure you've listed it somewhere in here but I was only motivated enough to read about 20 pages:REExeSquatsHL1: :rolleyes:

What was your reasons for choosing the ShrockWorks front bumper over an ARB or something that you would not have to wait 11 months for? Lighting options? Weight? Design? Approach angle? Just cause...?


Honestly, IMO the ARB sticks out too far forward on the Tacoma, although it has the look and protection I was after, I just couldn't have the longer wheelbase of the DC and not have the best approach angle I could get.

Looking back at it if I had to do it again, I would sit down and think long and hard about the ARB. With flyingbaby and flyingwen in the Taco, it makes me wish i had a crash test proven, airbag compliant bumper; while yet the shrock is sooooo dang cool and just what I was looking for in a bumper (minus the crash and airbag).

Hope that helps... otherwise keep pecking at me until you get the answer your looking for!

[ToyFamily]

I can see your concern and want our loved ones to be safe as well. My wife's DD 4runner has the prototype of this bumper model on it, we also have two other Shrockworks employees who both have this specific product on their own vehicles, a 00 Tacoma and 96 4runner which transport their wives and children. I hope this is a testament to our own confidence in the safety of our products.

The airbag sensors are inertia switches which are measuring the stopping force, as well as the frame crush points are retained. These factory safety implements are invaluable but in a real world accident you'll find few of these accidents happen in the same fashion, direction of force, or velocity. This causes these implements to react minutely different in each situation. Everything is a give and take in the design of your vehicle from the factory as well as your modification of it. This is extremely difficult to test for to the extent of added equipment weight, where it is stored and how it is secured.

We have to walk a fine line between off-road longevity (what it is bought and hopefully used for), product performance and occupant safety, which are major concerns. We also have the added issues to occupant safety by adding off-road factor as well. One example is the possibility of hanging your vehicle off of our product while winching or recovery, possible life threatening situations. The performance of the design has been proven in real life situations time and again, from fender benders to severe head on collusions. We don't like to see it happen but we continually receive positive customer feedback having walked away from these situations and in many accounts the customer has been told by EMT/Fire Rescue that they wouldn't have survived and/or would have more severe injuries without our product. This reinforces our design experience and CAD feedback during the design process.

In the end, it is your decision at what situations you put your family in and what measures you take to insure their safety. Seeing as you already have our product installed, I hope this lets you rest assured your family’s safety as well as ours is a major concern in the development of this product in particular, as well as all of our products.


Nick

[articulate]

I can see your concern and want our loved ones to be safe as well . . .

Nick
Nick, I'm glad you responded there because it's supremely important to consider what "air bag compliant" means and to understand really what an air bag sensor is and does if we're going to wave that banner as a reason to buy the ARB. Seriously, the Wiki page has some cool information about how an air bag sensor works (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag#How_airbags_work).

Stating that a bumper is "air bag compliant" (if that's the advertised terminology) is like wagging the dog. Your bumper doesn't touch an air bag sensor, your air bag sensors work no matter if you have a bumper or not . . . An air bag sensor measures deceleration - bottom line - not whether or not the crush cans got crushed or if a bumper is crumpling or any other farce.

Now, a steel bumper is made of steel, and steel . . . is steel - it's going to minutely effect your rate of deceleration in a direct front impact. Anyway, I have a hard time believing that the steel ARB bumper is any safer than the competition's steel bumper.


***
Wil, we're overdue for a happy hour. And one of these:
:REOutCampFire03:

[cruiseroutfit]

...Now, a steel bumper is made of steel, and steel . . . is steel - it's going to minutely effect your rate of deceleration in a direct front impact. Anyway, I have a hard time believing that the steel ARB bumper is any safer than the competition's steel bumper....

That is an extremely bold statement and I strongly disagree with the summarization wholly. I'm by no means saying the Shrockworks bumper isn't safe, but we don't know that do we? Only testing will ensure that there bumper will collapse at the exact rate Toyota designed their system too. A more rigid bumper, bags could fire prematurely, say in a 10mph accident. Too flimsy and they could fail to fire as mandated at 14mph. Do you want to explain to your insurance company how your ginormous steel bumper had nothing to do with deceleration (distance & time, distance completely related to the amount of crush as is the time it takes to crush said bumper).

The ARB bumper incorporates crush cans, yes, accordion shaped cans designed to crush at a certain rate for a certain load upon impact. This allows their bumper to absorb an impact thus causing the vehicle to decelerate at an identical rate (or within tested reason) of the OEM bumper. I know for a fact there are aftermarket designs that frankly won't crush at all, they will absorb little or no impact and thus the deceleration will read higher for that vehicle than an OEM equipped vehicle on a similar accident.

In addition to the crush cans, the bumpers are actually designed to "fold" as they absorb the impact, again reasons why their geometry and material selection is engineered and furthermore tested to ensure compliance.

What happens when the bumper does not allow deceleration over a prescribed time, you have now altered the prescribed programming and you run the risk. Is the risk beyond reason, well that is a personal questions. I run plenty of devices on my personal rigs that likely diminish its overall safety, a lift kit for example is know to increase the center of gravity, hard to explain it otherwise. Then again you won't hear me saying "springs are just springs, I don't see how a stock spring is any safer than a 8" lifted spring" ;)

[jsmoriss]

Now, a steel bumper is made of steel, and steel . . . is steel - it's going to minutely effect your rate of deceleration in a direct front impact. Anyway, I have a hard time believing that the steel ARB bumper is any safer than the competition's steel bumper.


I don't know what Toyota bumpers are available or what they look like, considering I have a 2007 Jeep Wrangler, but I have first hand experience crashing a steel bumper. :-)

Here's a picture of the bumper AFTER I'd straightened it out with the winch. I hit a tree going downhill very fast on some wet clay (no traction or steering possible). It bent considerably and the Jeep stopped with the tree in the tire, pushed into the wheel. The airbags didn't go off and the frame didn't crumple. I attribute this to the bumper deforming on impact. Had the bumper been made of heavier gauge, the story might have been different. BTW, this is the AEV bumper for the new JK Wranglers. It uses thinner steel but is molded to improve strength.

http://public.mvlan.net/content/Jeep/Evolution/2008/info/640/20080719-175914-lx2-30450.jpg

Here's a shot of the Jeep in the tree -- it was rather dark after a big storm, so the quality isn't great, but it gives you an idea. FYI - The hill was very steep. :-)

http://public.mvlan.net/content/Jeep/Evolution/2008/info/640/20080719-151000-lx2-30435.jpg

js.

[cruiseroutfit]

... BTW, this is the AEV bumper for the new JK Wranglers. It uses thinner steel but is molded to improve strength....

FWIW, AEV designs their bumpers as such, including the use of a crush can. "The AEV Front Bumper retains the factory crush cans to help prevent low speed deployment of your vehicle's airbag. Crush cans are protected by our durable polyethylene covers."

[jsmoriss]

FWIW, AEV designs their bumpers as such, including the use of a crush can. "The AEV Front Bumper retains the factory crush cans to help prevent low speed deployment of your vehicle's airbag. Crush cans are protected by our durable polyethylene covers."

Yup, although the tree missed the crush cans. Good thing too, 'cause those cans are not sold separately; hey have to be cut-out of the OEM bumper. :-)

js.

[ToyFamily]

That is an extremely bold statement and I strongly disagree with the summarization wholly. I'm by no means saying the Shrockworks bumper isn't safe, but we don't know that do we? Only testing will ensure that there bumper will collapse at the exact rate Toyota designed their system too. A more rigid bumper, bags could fire prematurely, say in a 10mph accident. Too flimsy and they could fail to fire as mandated at 14mph. Do you want to explain to your insurance company how your ginormous steel bumper had nothing to do with deceleration (distance & time, distance completely related to the amount of crush as is the time it takes to crush said bumper).

The ARB bumper incorporates crush cans, yes, accordion shaped cans designed to crush at a certain rate for a certain load upon impact. This allows their bumper to absorb an impact thus causing the vehicle to decelerate at an identical rate (or within tested reason) of the OEM bumper. I know for a fact there are aftermarket designs that frankly won't crush at all, they will absorb little or no impact and thus the deceleration will read higher for that vehicle than an OEM equipped vehicle on a similar accident.

In addition to the crush cans, the bumpers are actually designed to "fold" as they absorb the impact, again reasons why their geometry and material selection is engineered and furthermore tested to ensure compliance.

What happens when the bumper does not allow deceleration over a prescribed time, you have now altered the prescribed programming and you run the risk. Is the risk beyond reason, well that is a personal questions. I run plenty of devices on my personal rigs that likely diminish its overall safety, a lift kit for example is know to increase the center of gravity, hard to explain it otherwise. Then again you won't hear me saying "springs are just springs, I don't see how a stock spring is any safer than a 8" lifted spring" ;)

I don't want to turn this into an airbag discussion in Will's thread. We often have insurance companies rebuy our products that were on customer vehicles in accidents. Like the front bumper that kept the vehicle from being totaled or significantly reduced injury. We also have insurance companies buy our product after customers have had accidents in the stock configuration. Example: (articulate's model truck) 05 Frontier with our front bumper full tube. A customer was on a 200mi trip, 120 mi into it he has a collision with a 130lbs. deer head on at 65mph. The airbags went off. After the customer checked the damage (bumper was slightly bent and rotated into the hood), he was able to drive 80mi the rest of the way to the destination (nearest town). The insurance company rebought the bumper.

Steel is going to crush at different rates depending upon thickness, composition and bends/forming.

back to Will's thread. :1888fbbd:

Nick

[cruiseroutfit]

I don't want to turn this into an airbag discussion in Will's thread. We often have insurance companies rebuy our products that were on customer vehicles in accidents. Like the front bumper that kept the vehicle from being totaled or significantly reduced injury. We also have insurance companies buy our product after customers have had accidents in the stock configuration. Example: (articulate's model truck) 05 Frontier with our front bumper full tube. A customer was on a 200mi trip, 120 mi into it he has a collision with a 130lbs. deer head on at 65mph. The airbags went off. After the customer checked the damage (bumper was slightly bent and rotated into the hood), he was able to drive 80mi the rest of the way to the destination (nearest town). The insurance company rebought the bumper.

Agreed, I've sold non-airbag compliant bumpers and even suspension kits to insurance companies too. Its not their adjusters I'm worried about, its their lawyers. I have zero issue with selling non-compliant parts, my single caveat is that I would never attempt to tell the customer its compliant based on the similar materials as one that is ;) I think you guys make a solid looking bumper for an attractive price, I wouldn't hesitate to run one on my personal rig or a customers! Back to Will's thread :sombrero:

[grouch]

Wil,

Do you have a lot of flex in your Larsen fender mount?

[flyingwil]

I can see your concern and want our loved ones to be safe as well. My wife's DD 4runner has the prototype of this bumper model on it, we also have two other Shrockworks employees who both have this specific product on their own vehicles, a 00 Tacoma and 96 4runner which transport their wives and children. I hope this is a testament to our own confidence in the safety of our products.

The airbag sensors are inertia switches which are measuring the stopping force, as well as the frame crush points are retained. These factory safety implements are invaluable but in a real world accident you'll find few of these accidents happen in the same fashion, direction of force, or velocity. This causes these implements to react minutely different in each situation. Everything is a give and take in the design of your vehicle from the factory as well as your modification of it. This is extremely difficult to test for to the extent of added equipment weight, where it is stored and how it is secured.

We have to walk a fine line between off-road longevity (what it is bought and hopefully used for), product performance and occupant safety, which are major concerns. We also have the added issues to occupant safety by adding off-road factor as well. One example is the possibility of hanging your vehicle off of our product while winching or recovery, possible life threatening situations. The performance of the design has been proven in real life situations time and again, from fender benders to severe head on collusions. We don't like to see it happen but we continually receive positive customer feedback having walked away from these situations and in many accounts the customer has been told by EMT/Fire Rescue that they wouldn't have survived and/or would have more severe injuries without our product. This reinforces our design experience and CAD feedback during the design process.

In the end, it is your decision at what situations you put your family in and what measures you take to insure their safety. Seeing as you already have our product installed, I hope this lets you rest assured your family’s safety as well as ours is a major concern in the development of this product in particular, as well as all of our products.


Nick


Hey Nick, its funny, the reason I put that in is when FlyingBaby was born at that point we had two vehicles with Shrockworks Bumpers! One on the Xterra and one on the Taco. As a parent and having the overprotective instincts kick in, it causes one to think about odd ball things like is this crash tested? But hey driving with out sway-bars IMO is far worse than the bumper, and I dont think I could find my sway-bar if I needed it!

Since it is an series of sensors that causes the airbags to deploy, its not like we were with out airbags for the family. Hey, if I could roll in a Troopy I gladly would, so again in this case the shrockworks bumper is better.

However when we were shopping for both the front facing and rear facing carseats, we did keep the bumpers into consideration in our selection. We went to several insurance sites and selected seats that had been crash test proven, and were in the top 3 overall, this combined with the bumpers had us covered in the even of an accident.

At one point I had seen pictures of a total Nissan? that had a Shrockworks bumper, had it not have had the Shrockworks protection, I don't think that either party would have lived. (It was a head on IIRC).

Overall, I am very pleased with the bumper I chose, it fits my needs in many ways, and I know it will last as long as my truck!

[flyingwil]

Wil,

Do you have a lot of flex in your Larsen fender mount?

Not so much in the mount, I notice a bit of flex to the left and right when on rough terrain, and it is actually mounted slightly forward so that when rolling at a higher speed it moves aft, and cause it to be vertical with the factory antenna.

[ToyFamily]

At one point I had seen pictures of a total Nissan? that had a Shrockworks bumper, had it not have had the Shrockworks protection, I don't think that either party would have lived. (It was a head on IIRC).

Overall, I am very pleased with the bumper I chose, it fits my needs in many ways, and I know it will last as long as my truck!


This one :D . Head on VS. Superduty freeway speed, bumper deflected the Superduty enough to make it scrape down the side (you see the missingtire/spindle though)...airbag deployed, occupants walked away, thank God.

Nick

[flyingwil]

Uh oh... needs to go on a diet like me...

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/ScARbKvbLyI/AAAAAAAAFkc/ItPYrJccvzw/s800/image.jpg

Weighed in at 1/2 tank of gas with empty fridge and empty water!

[Arvin G]

WOW:yikes:I have to weigh mine one of these days.

[Overland Hadley]

Getting on the CAT Scale is a scary experience.

[Willman]

Nice!!

I need to do the same as well as the trailer!

:sombrero:

[tdesanto]

Uh oh... needs to go on a diet like me...

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/ScARbKvbLyI/AAAAAAAAFkc/ItPYrJccvzw/s800/image.jpg

Weighed in at 1/2 tank of gas with empty fridge and empty water!

Wil, two questions:

1) What is the GVWR of the Taco?
2) Does it not seem odd to you that they gave you such a nice round number? I would expect to see something like 5598 or 5618.

[Overland Hadley]

Wil, two questions:

1) What is the GVWR of the Taco?
2) Does it not seem odd to you that they gave you such a nice round number? I would expect to see something like 5598 or 5618.

About number two.

It does seem odd. When I weighed my Tacoma I talked to a trucker and he said the scales a very sensitive. I tested this by weighing my truck twice. (the second time on the scale costs less by the way) First time was with me on the scale, and the second time with me off the scale. It was accurate.

[Purple People Eater]

1) What is the GVWR of the Taco?


5100 lbs.


Wil, you drove to Buckeye just to weigh the truck?! Tell me you got something else done in the process...

What're you dong Sunday?

.

[flyingwil]

Wil, two questions:

1) What is the GVWR of the Taco?
2) Does it not seem odd to you that they gave you such a nice round number? I would expect to see something like 5598 or 5618.
Tony,
1.) 5100 lbs like PPE says below.
2.) Kinda but truck scales are very accurate, and +/- 10lbs will not kill me. I was nearly empty which is what was kind of scary.


5100 lbs.


Wil, you drove to Buckeye just to weigh the truck?! Tell me you got something else done in the process...

What're you dong Sunday?

.
Bobby,
I was hanging with the cool kids...

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/ScEdAp_TaLI/AAAAAAAAFnA/dAIqeVlIhuM/s800/warmer%20277.JPG

Check out my FB page for more info dude!

[tdesanto]

Tony,
1.) 5100 lbs like PPE says below.
2.) Kinda but truck scales are very accurate, and +/- 10lbs will not kill me. I was nearly empty which is what was kind of scary.


Well, they may be accurate, but I think the odds of getting a nice round number like that on a supposedly accurate scale are very low.

When you say you were nearly empty, do you mean that there was very little in the truck that wasn't bolted on to the truck. So, no additional gear other than modifications you've made?

So, off the top of my head I have the following estimates for bolted on bits:

1) Tent, approx 130lbs
2) Can-back, approx 75lbs
3) Engle, 54lbs (55 with the transit bag?)
4) Fridge slide, approx 15lbs
5) Extremeaire, approx 22 lbs with connections and wiring (19lbs solo)
6) Wood platform/storage drawer, approx 75-100lbs
7) Tools and recovery gear 50-75lbs
8) Radios and additional electronics, approx 25lbs
9) Front bumper, approx 80lbs
10) Winch, approx 80lbs (with wire rope, 17lbs less with synthetic?)
11) Rear bumper, approx 130lbs?
12) Additional unsprung weight of larger tires?

The curb weight that I was able to find, is 3877, giving it a payload capacity of 1223. I'm getting this from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tacoma), and it didn't account for the different platforms (2dr, 4dr, extended cab, etc.), so yours may be different. Curb weight, as I understand it, includes a full tank of gas and all vehicle fluids, so you don't have to account for that separately.

So, I may be missing a lot, but the above items come to 787lbs, not including heavier tires or the driver. I used the higher estimates of any numbers listed, and I also didn't subtract for the bumpers you removed. So, this number may actually be lower.

So, if you were "mostly empty", where is the additional weight coming from?

[Photog]

Many of the heavy scales are very accurate; but not very precise. They are accurate, but only read out in multiples of 10 pounds.

The more precise it is, the more decimal points will be included. I don't think it would be much benefit, to have the precision into the 3rd decimal point. Since vehicle weight is 4 or 5 digits (x,xxx to xx,xxx) pounds, a precision within 10 pounds is probably good enough.

The weight was between 5096 and 5105 pounds. I'm sure, #5100 was close enough.

:coffee:

[Overland Hadley]

So, I may be missing a lot, but the above items come to 787lbs, not including heavier tires or the driver. I used the higher estimates of any numbers listed, and I also didn't subtract for the bumpers you removed. So, this number may actually be lower.

So, if you were "mostly empty", where is the additional weight coming from?

I am wondering the same thing.

When I weighed my truck I could not figure out how they got such a high number. Over a couple of days I added up everything in the truck and just could not find that much added weight.

[flyingwil]

Well, they may be accurate, but I think the odds of getting a nice round number like that on a supposedly accurate scale are very low.

When you say you were nearly empty, do you mean that there was very little in the truck that wasn't bolted on to the truck. So, no additional gear other than modifications you've made?

So, off the top of my head I have the following estimates for bolted on bits:

1) Tent, approx 130lbs
2) Can-back, approx 75lbs
3) Engle, 54lbs (55 with the transit bag?)
4) Fridge slide, approx 15lbs
5) Extremeaire, approx 22 lbs with connections and wiring (19lbs solo)
6) Wood platform/storage drawer, approx 75-100lbs
7) Tools and recovery gear 50-75lbs
8) Radios and additional electronics, approx 25lbs
9) Front bumper, approx 80lbs
10) Winch, approx 80lbs (with wire rope, 17lbs less with synthetic?)
11) Rear bumper, approx 130lbs?
12) Additional unsprung weight of larger tires?

The curb weight that I was able to find, is 3877, giving it a payload capacity of 1223. I'm getting this from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tacoma), and it didn't account for the different platforms (2dr, 4dr, extended cab, etc.), so yours may be different. Curb weight, as I understand it, includes a full tank of gas and all vehicle fluids, so you don't have to account for that separately.

So, I may be missing a lot, but the above items come to 787lbs, not including heavier tires or the driver. I used the higher estimates of any numbers listed, and I also didn't subtract for the bumpers you removed. So, this number may actually be lower.

So, if you were "mostly empty", where is the additional weight coming from?

No, I was returning from a 3 day, 3 night trip, so food, water and equipment were minimal if that.

1) Tent, approx 120lbs
2) Can-back, approx 20lbs
3) Engle, 54lbs (55 with the transit bag?)
4) Fridge slide, approx 15lbs
5) Extremeaire, approx 22 lbs with connections and wiring (19lbs solo)
6) Wood platform/storage drawer, approx 75-100lbs
7) Tools and recovery gear 50-75lbs
8) Radios and additional electronics, approx 25lbs
9) Front bumper, approx 120lbs
10) Winch, approx 45lbs
11) Rear bumper, approx 130lbs?
12) Baby Seat and baby, aprox 40lbs
13) Two Action Packers, aprox 40lbs
14) One "to be announced container" (used for pre-sale product testing) - 30lbs
15) 1 pico chair, 1 pico table, 1 baby chair, aprox 15lbs
16) dual batteries aprox 85lbs so minus the stock battery aprox 60lbs
17) tires and wheels... about 10lbs more so about 50 additional lbs.

So that would be ball-park minus my weight, and the two backpacks of clothes for me and the baby (about 250 lbs additional).

I would bet that it comes pretty close to the weight of the weigh in if I were to add it all up

[Photog]

I hope this is not a hi-jack, since it is the current topic. If so; I can copy this into a new thread.

Hopefully someone will know the answer to this question:

The GVW listed for the vehicle is based on stock equipment. Something in the list of stock equipment is the limiting factor. Is it the:
Springs
Frame
Axle
Bearings
Brakes
Tire capacity
or ????

If we use stronger springs, reinforce the frame, install better tires, and installed better brake pads; have we improved one or more of the limiting factors, and increased the save GVW (regardless of the factory sticker)?

Does anyone know what the actual weight limit is for a Toyota rear axle, or front IFS system?

[flyingwil]

I hope this is not a hi-jack, since it is the current topic. If so; I can copy this into a new thread.

Hopefully someone will know the answer to this question:

The GVW listed for the vehicle is based on stock equipment. Something in the list of stock equipment is the limiting factor. Is it the:
Springs
Frame
Axle
Bearings
Brakes
Tire capacity
or ????

If we use stronger springs, reinforce the frame, install better tires, and installed better brake pads; have we improved one or more of the limiting factors, and increased the save GVW (regardless of the factory sticker)?

Does anyone know what the actual weight limit is for a Toyota rear axle, or front IFS system?


Not a hi-jack at all. In fact I was just searching to find an older thread on this topic... If I find it I'll post the link in this thread. IIRC, it was about 2 years old, but includes all the above and answers to all your questions and other input.

[flyingwil]

Here is thread that is close... but not the one I had in mind...

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3342&highlight=weight

[Photog]

The previous Tundra, with the same axle parts as the Tacoma and 4Runner, had a GVW of 6300 lbs. The Previous Tacoma is 5100 lbs GVW. The current Tacoma is 5300 lbs GVW. The current 4Runner is 5570 lbs GVW. I would say the Tacoma axle can easily take an extra 500 lbs, over GVW.

Are the brakes the same? I know there are ways to swap the Tundra front brakes to the Tacoma; but what about rear brakes, leaf springs, coil springs, ball joints? Then just beef up the frame.

[tdesanto]

The previous Tundra, with the same axle parts as the Tacoma and 4Runner, had a GVW of 6300 lbs. The Previous Tacoma is 5100 lbs GVW. The current Tacoma is 5300 lbs GVW. The current 4Runner is 5570 lbs GVW. I would say the Tacoma axle can easily take an extra 500 lbs, over GVW.

Are the brakes the same? I know there are ways to swap the Tundra front brakes to the Tacoma; but what about rear brakes, leaf springs, coil springs, ball joints? Then just beef up the frame.

But isn't it more than that? Don't you have to look from A to Z? Gears, driveshafts, u-joints, cooling capacity of the cooling system, strength of the engine and durability, steering components, transmission durability and transmission cooling system capacity, etc?

[Photog]

But isn't it more than that? Don't you have to look from A to Z? Gears, driveshafts, u-joints, cooling capacity of the cooling system, strength of the engine and durability, steering components, transmission durability and transmission cooling system capacity, etc?

If you keep your GVW below the vehicle + towing weight, all of those driveline issues are already up for the challenge. I don't think any of us will be carrying as much as we could tow.:)

[Overland Hadley]

If you keep your GVW below the vehicle + towing weight, all of those driveline issues are already up for the challenge. I don't think any of us will be carrying as much as we could tow.:)

Interesting point.

[flyingwil]

Well upon returning home from OZ, I found my passenger side window on my Taco broken, and a few things missing from the Taco.

So new GPS, and replacements to come! D'oh!

[p1michaud]

Well upon returning home from OZ, I found my passenger side window on my Taco broken, and a few things missing from the Taco.

So new GPS, and replacements to come! D'oh!

So you did make it over to Oz for a bit. Good to hear you were able to see some of the country. Too bad about the GPS, but it's as good of an excuse as any to upgrade...:elkgrin:

[TACODOC]

Well upon returning home from OZ, I found my passenger side window on my Taco broken, and a few things missing from the Taco.

So new GPS, and replacements to come! D'oh!

WHAT!!!??? :gunt:

[Applejack]

What bastards!

[datrupr]

Who did it? Was it Jack Delaney? You want me to rub him out for you?

Glad you had a good trip in OZ. Sorry they ganked your gear and broke your window. I hate thieves. That is a real bummer.

[Momrocks]

That is Infuriating! Sorry that happened.

Did I miss a thread on the OZ trip?

[tdesanto]

That's lame; really lame.

[adventureduo]

Dude that sucks, sorry to hear it. Do you leave all your gear in your truck all the time? Im paranoid and try to pull everything i can out if i leave it in 'public'.

[flyingwil]

That is Infuriating! Sorry that happened.

Did I miss a thread on the OZ trip?

I still have had time to post up a trip report. Soon though, soon.


Dude that sucks, sorry to hear it. Do you leave all your gear in your truck all the time? Im paranoid and try to pull everything i can out if i leave it in 'public'.

Umm long story, but no I normally do not leave everything in the truck when parked in my driveway.

[adventureduo]

That sucks man, it's like the one time you do.... go figure. And if you would have yanked it all, no one would have been looking at the truck anyhow. No way to win.

Looking forward to the report from OZ land.

[Overland Hadley]

How frustrating!

[flyingwil]

Looking forward to the report from OZ land.

Here's a sneek... I really want one of these for my Taco!!!!

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/Slxe12sVy6I/AAAAAAAAJCk/S4IlAIn_Bdc/s800/DSC_4166.JPG

[Photog]

Oohhh. Purrrdy. :drool::drool:

[texas taco]

X2:drool::drool:: Glad you had a good time. Did you have a hard time explaining that at luggage check :Wow1:

[The BN Guy]

I'd love to have one of the Nissan 4.2l engines myself.

[cruiseroutfit]

Here's a sneek... I really want one of these for my Taco!!!!

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/Slxe12sVy6I/AAAAAAAAJCk/S4IlAIn_Bdc/s800/DSC_4166.JPG

Ditto! I put some good clicks on one here in Aussie, up and down the Blue Mountains, etc. Very peppy, responsive and we managed a stellar ~25 mpg all while hot rodding it :cool: The 1KD is quickly becoming my lust motor :D

[flyingwil]

Well I got the hood blacked out... no pictures yet, but it looks pretty sweet. I'll post a pic up soon when I can.

[01tundra]

Well I got the hood blacked out... no pictures yet, but it looks pretty sweet. I'll post a pic up soon when I can.

I thought about doing something like this to mine, can't wait to see the pics!

[flyingwil]

I thought about doing something like this to mine, can't wait to see the pics!

Here's the pics:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SqiCxoQBMEI/AAAAAAAAJog/6GJGrKY6uIQ/s800/kj09%20006.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/SqiCxwx1iWI/AAAAAAAAJok/5NE1GcdnP4s/s800/kj09%20007.JPG

[01tundra]

Nice!

[soonenough]

:drool: Do you have any pics of the hood standing back a few feet (where you can see more of the truck)? Forgive my ignorance, but was it painted on or was it a decal?

[flyingwil]

:drool: Do you have any pics of the hood standing back a few feet (where you can see more of the truck)? Forgive my ignorance, but was it painted on or was it a decal?

Not yet... been too busy working on the KJ. It is a decal, with flat clear on our logo, on top of flat black vinyl.

[ryguy]

Nice, is the emblem seperate from the blackout vinyl?

[flyingwil]

Nice, is the emblem seperate from the blackout vinyl?


Yes, the emblem is an overlay on the blackout vinyl.

[Willman]

You have out done me again.....

We shall see....

:elkgrin:

[weezerbot]

You have out done me again.....

We shall see....

:elkgrin:

Ya but you have the bitchin trailer!!

Come on man...join the cool kids club.....

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_OUn1JaeQCTU/SjmibBGdEyI/AAAAAAAAB5U/NQuJdnsDSOQ/s640/IMG_1792.JPG

[flyingwil]

ya but you have the bitchin trailer!!

Come on man...join the cool kids club.....

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_oun1jaeqctu/sjmibbgdeyi/aaaaaaaab5u/nqujdnsdsoq/s640/img_1792.jpg

x2!

PS.... The KJ is joining the blackout hood club too! (I think sometime next week)

[datrupr]

Well, I want to join the cool kids club too. Shees! I think the Monty would look hot wearing the SE logo on its blacked out hood.

[flyingwil]

Ya but you have the bitchin trailer!!

Come on man...join the cool kids club.....

FlyingWen's is done! http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=470548&postcount=127

[Box Rocket]

FlyingWen's is done! http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=470548&postcount=127

Dang those are some fugly toes that snuck into that last pic. You have a Hobbit that lives with you? :sombrero:

[flyingwil]

Dang those are some fugly toes that snuck into that last pic. You have a Hobbit that lives with you? :sombrero:

Yeah that Hobbit is me! LOL

[TACODOC]

Yeah that Hobbit is me! LOL

Is this your .38? :elkgrin:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/_MG_3076newgun.jpg

[xcmountain80]

Is this your .38? :elkgrin:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/_MG_3076newgun.jpg

Holy hobbit feet!

A

[p1michaud]

Here's a sneek... I really want one of these for my Taco!!!!

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/Slxe12sVy6I/AAAAAAAAJCk/S4IlAIn_Bdc/s800/DSC_4166.JPG

Hmmm, I'm suprised they let you out of the country with one of them in your bags... I've yet to try one of these out but have read and heard great things. I may have to start a parts distribution from Oz to North America for these beauties...

[TangoBlue]

Holy hobbit feet!

A

OMG -- was there a full moon out? I hope those are silver bullets in that revolver!

[RHINO]

I may have to start a parts distribution from Oz to North America for these beauties...


put on the list

[bobDog]

Is this your .38? :elkgrin:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/_MG_3076newgun.jpgsome of the butt ugliest feet I have ever seen....do you shave those? But a very nice gun....sweet carry!:victory:Very nice.

[flyingwil]

Well, still trying to find time to install the LED rock lights... I kept pushing it off saying it was too cold, but after returning from Chicago, I think it should be warm enough this week to put the lights in!

Had an issue with one of my belts making a great deal of noise over the last month, I think I will need to tear into that issue first prior to heading to Mexico at the end of January. I am hoping it is not my A/C compressor with all the usage of the defroster lately...

I was driving it on its weekly road trip to keep the fluids up and going, and the belt definitely went... loud squeal followed by the smell of burn rubber. I thought I was going to have to pull on over and get a tow home, but it kept on trucking. Odd thing is that everything still seems to work. It will be fun once it is light out and I can see what is going on.

[flyingwil]

Well a picture is supposed to be worth a thousand words... so here is two thousand words!

Front Passenger's Side LED Rock Light:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S1-x-IAS0zI/AAAAAAAAKLE/ooOANwvRG40/s800/pico%20table%20006.JPG

Front middle Driver's Side LED Rock Light:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S1-x-jt-0vI/AAAAAAAAKLI/hIu3KF4ZFFE/s800/pico%20table%20007.JPG

Currently the truck is torn apart, all interior trim has been removed and and the center console, to install the light controller and harness. The front of the truck has the batteries removed, and is undergoing a triple battery set up / install. Yeah lots of fun. :victory:

[YodasYota]

Ya but you have the bitchin trailer!!

Come on man...join the cool kids club.....

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_OUn1JaeQCTU/SjmibBGdEyI/AAAAAAAAB5U/NQuJdnsDSOQ/s640/IMG_1792.JPG

Where can you buy the black matte vinyl??

[xcmountain80]

OMG -- was there a full moon out? I hope those are silver bullets in that revolver!

No the gun is empty the Where wolf got to the shooter and ate him, then picked up to camera and posted the pictures to his FB page showing the where wolfets how he rolls.

A

[flyingwil]

Where can you buy the black matte vinyl??

You can get it at your local sign shop or sticker shop.

[Willman]

Very nice Wil!

Can't wait to see the rock lights!!

So....Whens the bed coming off?....

:sombrero:

[nater]

Which rocklight kit did you go with?

[flyingwil]

Which rocklight kit did you go with?

I went with the Tantrum set from Vision X (http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=600).

Looks just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6oqGKHCa7E

[TangoBlue]

Wow - that is pretty impressive lighting from the video. I guess the disco effect is just a plus. ;)

[flyingwil]

Wow - that is pretty impressive lighting from the video. I guess the disco effect is just a plus. ;)

The disco is just part of the FARKLE (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31455&postcount=15).

[TangoBlue]

LOL! I remember that thread distinctly! I also recall the brilliant argument made for snorkels as a safety enhancement -- especially for the children.

I can't tell you how many times that snorkel has saved my life... and how many times I've showed my wife pictures of a water crossing and proclaimed, "see honey, it just paid for itself - again!"

Better to have it and not need it than not have it and need it. I think those rock lights are critical pieces of safety gear - must have them...

[flyingwil]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S2Y1sgebCMI/AAAAAAAAKZ8/xtdKjyghu98/s800/DSC_4823.JPG

[MillerPKA]

Right on man that looks really good! I'll have to check those out

[EXP-T100]

Looks great :costumed-smiley-007
the "FARKLE" give you something to do at camp, put on some bell bottoms and :wings: lol
I think i will have to buy some.

[TangoBlue]

Hey - who are we to be critical?

That's the way - un-huhn, un-huhn - he LIKES it - un-huhn, un-huhn.... :wings:

[flyingwil]

Lol

[flyingwil]

Got a big pile of boxes of parts to be installed on the Taco over the next 7 days in prep for Overland Expo.

New Dual Battery System re-do
Solar hook ups and controls
Power inverter
Toyota OEM parts (x8) - mostly for looks (trim, etc..)
Gauge Pod re-do


Gotta get em on soon and test test test. :victory:

[flyingwil]

Battery management complete...

Write-up & pictures to follow.

[TangoBlue]

Less teasers and more posting - we want to see that new mystery battery mangement system!:drool:

[flyingwil]

Less teasers and more posting - we want to see that new mystery battery mangement system!:drool:

Ok here is some pics pre-install:

I went with the IBS dual battery system with the option RBM (Relay Booster Module) to replace my problematic National Luna
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_EnAEWSI/AAAAAAAALGA/IJyTUuLNJc0/s800/IBS%20001.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_F2TnzAI/AAAAAAAALGU/s6L1ZbxQfDI/s800/IBS%20003.JPG

Here you can see the control unit. It is slightly larger than the NL, but has all electronics in the cab, unlike the NL which has it mounted above the solenoid. This makes this unit much more water resistant than the NL kit.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_HinOqdI/AAAAAAAALG0/eHYC37xyhOU/s800/IBS%20007.JPG

The solenoid itself is much smaller in comparison and sound wise much quieter when linking or disconnecting the batteries. When I h ad the surepower solenoid it would trigger the glass break sensor on the alarm, as would the NL. This unit does not trigger the glass break sensor with the solenoid mounted directly to the firewall.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_H9JorcI/AAAAAAAALG8/3NKbWBk8NOU/s800/IBS%20008.JPG

It's hard to tell here, but everything is sealed, keeping water and dust out.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_IRlDT4I/AAAAAAAALHM/Vfojk-u2Js0/s800/IBS%20010.JPG

The harness was a breeze to set up, simply 4 wires through the firewall and connect per the instructional diagram. In my case since I was installing the RBM, the diagram I had to follow was the one included in the RBM package.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_I4t-EyI/AAAAAAAALHU/FhDsavOmWnQ/s800/IBS%20011.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_LJhcXHI/AAAAAAAALIM/S5CJzbXhGPM/s800/IBS%20018.JPG

Again fully sealed!!!
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_L0nRwaI/AAAAAAAALIk/o7sr2rG3-7Q/s800/IBS%20021.JPG

When it stops raining I will post up some finished pictures.

[flyingwil]

Pictures of installed IBS dual battery system:

Controller mounted using a swivel base mount:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6khQeItStI/AAAAAAAALKY/g2RZC2rN6q0/s800/IBS%20029.JPG

Under the hood, Still need to add wiring looms before too much driving.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6khRUS4k8I/AAAAAAAALKo/ZOD48UaRQQY/s800/IBS%20031.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6khRvuq4VI/AAAAAAAALKw/RyClPn_-Bx0/s800/IBS%20032.JPG

Also added a morning star solar controller. That info will come later.

http://www.solarpanelstore.com/assets/sunguard-black-300.jpg

[flyingwil]

I also replaced all of my windows trim panels, I had a few missing pieces from trees running down the sides of my truck, and the black paint was starting to peel leaving exposed chrome! Chromaphobia was kicking in full throttle.

Here you can see new vs. old:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_MWN3OCI/AAAAAAAALIs/wbaetJaCS7o/s800/IBS%20022.JPG

Here you can see where a tree had ripped off one of the exterior clips that hold the molding.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6j_MtoqHOI/AAAAAAAALI0/jvJMD1DiiKc/s800/IBS%20023.JPG

I will come back and edit this post once I get pics... but I think you can get the point... back to like new.

EDIT: Here is the new trim pieces on:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/S6khQLcO3rI/AAAAAAAALKM/1761K2sH-X4/s800/IBS%20024.JPG

[flyingwil]

Currently my set of OME springs are at the spring shop, getting some tweaks done to them. A Dakar AAL's from a '05+ Taco and some tweaking to handle the weight of my Taco. I should be able to pick them up later on today.

[EXP-T100]

Wow IBS dual battery system is sweet and the solenoid is small as heck compered to the brick i have lol

[ryguy]

Cant wait to hear how the new setup works. Is this a more or less expensive option to the Luna?

[mr r2fj]

Sweet! When are you going to come redo mine?

[flyingwil]

Posted up installed pics...


Wow IBS dual battery system is sweet and the solenoid is small as heck compered to the brick i have lol
That was my original thoughts too.

Cant wait to hear how the new setup works. Is this a more or less expensive option to the Luna?
Ryan, price wise it is comparable to the NL, this kit will retail at $379.95 where the National Luna DIY kit is $370.00

[flyingwil]

Sweet! When are you going to come redo mine?

Josh, you know I HATE electrical work.

[CanuckMariner]

Might be interested if there is a 24V option as on the labelling and how it might apply to my PZJ77 or other members 24V rigs. I like the easy on the eyes look of it and the sealing for water/dust proofing.

In other words: I need more detailed info! Can't wait 'til you have it up on your site! Sending you a video on the unit!

[TangoBlue]

Very nice! Wonder where I can get one in the US?:)

[ryguy]

Ryan, price wise it is comparable to the NL, this kit will retail at $379.95 where the National Luna DIY kit is $370.00
Nice. The truck looks good with the new mouldings.

[flyingwil]

Nice. The truck looks good with the new mouldings.

Yeah, wonder where I got them???:cool:

[cltypes32]

Currently my set of OME springs are at the spring shop, getting some tweaks done to them. A Dakar AAL's from a '05+ Taco and some tweaking to handle the weight of my Taco. I should be able to pick them up later on today.

Any updates on the Dakars?

[flyingwil]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/TRqHd_LkeiI/AAAAAAAAMo4/O5xwOE8Zke0/s800/2010-12-28%2016.26.44.jpg

4.88's going in! :victory:

[TangoBlue]

You will fall in love with the truck all over again... ask me how I know.

[alexrex20]

so does that mean you're keeping the truck? :D

[flyingwil]

so does that mean you're keeping the truck? :D

Keeping the truck until I sell it... I am going to continue to treat it like my baby until it sells.

[TangoBlue]

Hey Wil -- you installed Tantrum Vision-X rock lights a while back. What are your thoughts on them so far?

[flyingwil]

Hey Wil -- you installed Tantrum Vision-X rock lights a while back. What are your thoughts on them so far?

Love 'em... much better than other solutions out there.

[Zam15]

How are those 4.88s treating you? Still having the stock 4.10 gears leaves much to be desired.....

[huntsonora]

How are those 4.88s treating you? Still having the stock 4.10 gears leaves much to be desired.....

And what kind of mileage are you getting?

Your truck is amazing and is one of the reasons I am strongly considering one

[cruiseroutfit]

How are those 4.88s treating you? Still having the stock 4.10 gears leaves much to be desired.....


And what kind of mileage are you getting?...

Give the guy an hour or two to finish the job first :sombrero:

[TACODOC]

Lol

[alexrex20]

Give the guy an hour or two to finish the job first :sombrero:

:victory::sombrero:

[TangoBlue]

Wil. Wil. WIL!

Wake up! Is it done yet? You should have broken the gears in by now and already changed the gear oil... what's up!? :coffeedrink:

[flyingwil]

Wil. Wil. WIL!

Wake up! Is it done yet? You should have broken the gears in by now and already changed the gear oil... what's up!? :coffeedrink:

Gears are still not in yet, we had some customer's trucks to finish, first. Customers always come first. We have a full schedule today, and I am hoping that we can get the Taco done late today, but we'll see. I'll post up once I get them in.

We did 4.88's in another Tacoma a few weeks ago, and he had 255/85R16's on his Taco, and I can say I was really jealous on the test drive.

[TACODOC]

So, is it for sale or are you keeping it???

[flyingwil]

So, is it for sale or are you keeping it???

Nope, just continuing to treat it like I will have it forever until it finds a new home.


so does that mean you're keeping the truck? :D

Keeping the truck until I sell it... I am going to continue to treat it like my baby until it sells.

[ntsqd]

OK, what's the 500 miles impression? :)

[huntsonora]

Give the guy an hour or two to finish the job first :sombrero:

My bad, thought they were on already. Oops

[flyingwil]

Its been a busy week! I am burning the midnight oil tonight to get the gears in tonight, at least if I get too tired I have an place to crash for the night in the shop (RTT). :victory:

Here is a quick pic from my cell (since we all know posts are worthless without pics):
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/TSPRQtgrKoI/AAAAAAAAMpo/C_rYOr3UzEg/s800/2011-01-03%2017.16.02.jpg

Now I'm off to get these in!

[shellb]

Nope, just continuing to treat it like I will have it forever until it finds a new home.

Good luck Wil! In my opinion, this alone should speak volumes to potential buyers...

[flyingwil]

Yay! Diffs are in. Now I need to wait. I decided to check the ball joints and think they are due for some PM (read replacing) due to a worn boot, and the LCA bushings could be replaced while I am in there. So now its on a parts delay. :cool: and waiting for customer trucks to be done again. One day I'll get greedy ans stop putting customer trucks before my own.... naw, NEVER!

[tdesanto]

Its been a busy week! I am burning the midnight oil tonight to get the gears in tonight, at least if I get too tired I have an place to crash for the night in the shop (RTT). :victory:

Here is a quick pic from my cell (since we all know posts are worthless without pics):
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/TSPRQtgrKoI/AAAAAAAAMpo/C_rYOr3UzEg/s800/2011-01-03%2017.16.02.jpg

Now I'm off to get these in!

Nice. Glad you got these in finally.

[theksmith]

looking good buddy, you get that calendar i dropped off for you?

[Willman]

Bump for an update.....

Hows the new gears?

:drool:

[flyingwil]

New BJ's are in, gears are in and truck is happy.

[flyingwil]

looking good buddy, you get that calendar i dropped off for you?

Yes I did... thanks sooo much!

[PHXtaco]

Will be interested to hear if you mileage improves, remains the same, or decreases with the new gears.

[flyingwil]

5 NEW 255/85R16 BFG MT KM2's went on yesterday
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/TTtM2XfxLSI/AAAAAAAAM4U/cY4EzX2R2zc/s800/tundraTaco%20001.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/TTtM3wJRjvI/AAAAAAAAM4k/h8jXC_z28pM/s800/tundraTaco%20005.JPG
Still awaiting the speedo recalibration module (on backorder)

new upper and lower ball joints on the front suspension
Tundra calipers went on today, along with new pads (obviously) and Tundra rotors. :victory:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gR8wSd9MvMc/TTtM3G9dewI/AAAAAAAAM4c/7pP5Xl37iUA/s800/tundraTaco%20004.JPG

[OldSven]

Curious what your take is on the Tundra caliper setup when you get some miles on it?

[flyingwil]

Curious what your take is on the Tundra caliper setup when you get some miles on it?

So far I have about 5 miles in the parking lot on them, and I now can lock up all 4 with ease, I mean ease. So far its great.

[laxtoy]

argh! wil, i have to ask, are you running the american racing wheels you have on the expedition west page? are you running a spacer by chance? i had a huge amount of trouble finding steel wheels that would fit over tundra calipers, so much so that i gave up and went with more expensive aluminum ones. tried les schwab, discount, summit, and a bunch of online retailers, and just could not find anything. don't think we had big o in seattle, oh well, too late now. like the new tars, looks beefy

[Willman]

Nice Wil!

New Shoes, brakes, and gears.....sounds like new life in an already cool truck!

Keep us posted on the brakes and gears.....

:drool: