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xjaugie
02-22-2012, 07:15 PM
For over twenty years I have driven a company truck for the daily comute. However that has all changed and now I'm putting 95 miles a day on my 95 Tacoma with 165,000 miles that I purchased this summer as the play truck. I'm thinking of getting another car/truck to run around in but not sold on the idea. This has got me to thinking, how many on here use thier expo vehicle as thier daily driver? and if not what is the daily driver? I'm thinking of maybe purchasing a newer DC tacoma as the daily truck but as a single guy it seems redundant to have two trucks.

STREGA
02-22-2012, 07:57 PM
My DD is also my offroader/camping rig, but I usually walk to work since its only a mile away. Just can't justify the extra cost of another vehicle.

Finlay
02-22-2012, 08:05 PM
My rig is also my DD. But I'm building it with an eye towards fuel economy, even as a I add utility. Also, I want the gear to be removable - as much as possible, anyway - partly to prevent theft and wear, but also to reduce weight for my commute.

And finally, this year, I am going to start biking to work again. I'm spending about 50 bucks a week on gas, so if I can reduce that, I'll be ahead of the game.

98roamer
02-22-2012, 08:09 PM
This topic has been covered with some really good reasoning points. Even though I have a DD other than my 4Runner, most the time it doesn't make business sense. A second set of street friendly tires might by more practical.

My DD is a 93 Corolla that we bought new and has over 275k miles on it and it still gets 30mpg. I only have repair cost (which is amazingly low, tags and insurance cost. For me, it save mileage on the 4Runner and saves on gas, but I only drive 20k a year.

I couldn't do it if I had to purchase a DD with used prices as high as they are right now and make the numbers work.

phsycle
02-22-2012, 08:49 PM
I drive about the same distance daily and when put down on paper, it makes sense to get an econo commuter. Say you drive 30k miles per year. With the gas at $3/gallon, you're spending $4,300 per year on gas. That's IF you get 21 MPG.

Say you get a $5k Corolla, Civic, etc. My econobox Corolla gets 38MPG. 30k/year means $2,400 in gas. Nearly $2k in savings.

The negatives? You have to pay insurance/registration on two cars. There is a multi-car discount with most insurance agencies, so it's not a big deal. Some say that paying for maintenance costs on two cars means double the expenses. Not true. ie., since you're not putting any miles on your truck, that means things will last much longer (tires, brakes, engine, etc.). If anything, it has a net decrease in overall maintenance costs, since replacement items are cheaper for the econo car.

Also, think of all of the pollution you're helping to keep off of our atmosphere. :D

xjaugie
02-22-2012, 09:04 PM
I drive about the same distance daily and when put down on paper, it makes sense to get an econo commuter. Say you drive 30k miles per year. With the gas at $3/gallon, you're spending $4,300 per year on gas. That's IF you get 21 MPG.

Say you get a $5k Corolla, Civic, etc. My econobox Corolla gets 38MPG. 30k/year means $2,400 in gas. Nearly $2k in savings.

The negatives? You have to pay insurance/registration on two cars. There is a multi-car discount with most insurance agencies, so it's not a big deal. Some say that paying for maintenance costs on two cars means double the expenses. Not true. ie., since you're not putting any miles on your truck, that means things will last much longer (tires, brakes, engine, etc.). If anything, it has a net decrease in overall maintenance costs, since replacement items are cheaper for the econo car.

Also, think of all of the pollution you're helping to keep off of our atmosphere. :D

I did the math and it would cost me more money to drive a second car to and from work. But I'm liking the idea of not "wearing out" my play truck.

zolo
02-22-2012, 09:32 PM
If I didn't have an 85lb dog that came to work with me every day Id be commuting on my Motorcycle.
Its cheap to insure, and gets 45mpg if I stay out of the throttle.
Plus its fun and faster.

phsycle
02-22-2012, 09:59 PM
I did the math and it would cost me more money to drive a second car to and from work. But I'm liking the idea of not "wearing out" my play truck.

I guess it depends on your commuter. I commute into the city, so no 4WD required. So a $5k Corolla seemed to be the best for me: cheap, reliable and don't care if anything were to happen to it. Here are my costs (given 30k miles per year, $3 gas. 21MPG for Tacoma and 38MPG for Corolla. 80%/20% of the miles between the Corolla and Tacoma). I didn't put in maintenance, because it's pretty much a wash (but if anything, cheaper for the Corolla).

..................... Taco | Taco & Corolla
Gas……………... $4,285.71 $2,751.88
Insurance/Reg $1,000.00 $1,400.00
Total……………. $5,285.71 $4,151.88

Over $1k in savings for me. You do have the $5k (or whatever) to spend for the car, but if you get something with good resale value, you can recoup most of that if you decide to sell. And if the gas prices keep going up (and hit the $4-5/gallon mark like some are saying), you would have no problems selling and even making cash on top.

jim65wagon
02-23-2012, 03:04 AM
I've daily driven the Tundra since it was brand new. Not afraid of "wearing it out", I can replace any component as it ages cheaper than I can buy another car, insure it, maintain it and repair it. I'll keep the truck and it's DD status, I enjoy driving it the 300 miles per week and can't imagine (actually I can, since I was loaned a Yaris while the frame rust recall was being done and it was awful!) driving an econobox everyday. Your a single guy, the truck gets decent mileage, drive it, enjoy it, and camp AMAP!

stevek
02-23-2012, 12:19 PM
I guess it depends on your commuter. I commute into the city, so no 4WD required. So a $5k Corolla seemed to be the best for me: cheap, reliable and don't care if anything were to happen to it. Here are my costs (given 30k miles per year, $3 gas. 21MPG for Tacoma and 38MPG for Corolla. 80%/20% of the miles between the Corolla and Tacoma). I didn't put in maintenance, because it's pretty much a wash (but if anything, cheaper for the Corolla).

..................... Taco | Taco & Corolla
Gas……………... $4,285.71 $2,751.88
Insurance/Reg $1,000.00 $1,400.00
Total……………. $5,285.71 $4,151.88

Over $1k in savings for me. You do have the $5k (or whatever) to spend for the car, but if you get something with good resale value, you can recoup most of that if you decide to sell. And if the gas prices keep going up (and hit the $4-5/gallon mark like some are saying), you would have no problems selling and even making cash on top.

But that doesnt take into account the 5K you spent on the beater does it? So your actual first year costs would be 5285.71 for the taco compared to 9151.88 for the taco and a dd.

Caoboy
02-23-2012, 02:08 PM
That pays you back though, as the next year, you've just saved 1k. drive the beater for 5 years, it's paid off, and it saves you more money. You aren't taking in the account of cheaper maintenance costs on your rig, as you'll have less. Less gas/oil/breakage means more savings if you really crunch the numbers. YES there will be those costs with the DD, but it's cheaper usually.

Gas IS going up. I just paid $4.15/gallon...to fill up our DD Honda CRV...$51 on a car that used to take $30 to fill up.

I'm going to put the ScanGauge back in and start watching my throttle again...I noticed about a 30 mile difference per tank when really monitoring and regulating my driving.

phsycle
02-23-2012, 02:11 PM
But that doesnt take into account the 5K you spent on the beater does it? So your actual first year costs would be 5285.71 for the taco compared to 9151.88 for the taco and a dd.

Read the last part of the post. :) Yes, these is an expense for the car itself, but it's a cost that you can recoup when you resell. Since it also keeps the miles off of your truck, the resale value of the truck would stay higher. This would basically negate the depreciation on the commuter. And as I said before, with the gas prices on the rise, you should be able to get top dollar for the commuter car, if you choose to sell.

One other thing: it's a pretty good feeling getting into the truck after a week in the commuter. It makes me appreciate the truck more. Just my opinion.

Edit: Looks like Caoboy already answered. I'll add; if the gas were calculated at $4/gal, it would be about $1,500/year savings. With the decrease in maintenance costs, it would be about 3 years before you "break even".

Stick Figure
02-23-2012, 03:05 PM
The other thing to take into consideration in this is the insurance savings. If you are single, then adding a second vehicle will net you a multi-vehicle discount, and if you already have a couple of cars that you insure dropping your toy back to limited use can really lower your costs.

I've always had multiple cars just for the fact that I know they will never all run at the same time. I do enjoy having my little Scion tC to drive daily for the fact that I can get up to 33mpg on the freeway, and it does far better than the 15mpg that the 4Runner gets in town. Even better though is the fact that the truck can under go a big project pretty much whenever I want with out effect my daily life much at all.

City_Rider
02-23-2012, 03:42 PM
The other thing to take into consideration in this is the insurance savings. If you are single, then adding a second vehicle will net you a multi-vehicle discount, and if you already have a couple of cars that you insure dropping your toy back to limited use can really lower your costs.

I've always had multiple cars just for the fact that I know they will never all run at the same time. I do enjoy having my little Scion tC to drive daily for the fact that I can get up to 33mpg on the freeway, and it does far better than the 15mpg that the 4Runner gets in town. Even better though is the fact that the truck can under go a big project pretty much whenever I want with out effect my daily life much at all.

Agreed - I have 3 rides (2001 4Runner, 2010 Tundra, 1999 Civic) and receive the multi-vehicle discount with my insurance company. The biggest advantage for me is that, because all of my vehicles have been modified, I don't have to worry about not having a vehicle. Currently my Civic sits on all 4 jack stands in my garage waiting for its new suspension and my 4Runner sits on front jack stands waiting for the longer reservoir lines in the front coil overs.

I would stress out too much trying to get projects done all in one shot - much nicer to take my time, do it right and have the ability to run to the store if I need a part.

Martinjmpr
02-23-2012, 04:08 PM
I've been doing the DD thing ever since my employer moved me from downtown (where I could ride the light rail) out to the 'burbs last year.

My DD is a 97 Mazda Protege 4 door that I bought for $900. The car had about 207k on it when I purchased it and the engine smoked badly. Since then I've had to put a replacement (used) engine into it, for about $2400, but the thing is, except for the engine, everything about the car was in perfect shape. I've also put a CV joint and front brakes on it. The clutch was done by the seller and the tires were new when I got it. I would guess that my total investment in the car right now is somewhere around $3500 which is pretty good.

It gets 33 - 36 MPG in daily driving, which is about double what my 4runner gets in the same kind of city driving (on the highway I can often get close to 20 in the 4runner.)

When you consider costs, you have to take into account some things other than fuel cost: For example, a complete set of tires with a 60k warranty for the the little Mazda would be ~$300 at a discount store. OTOH, tires for my 4runner ran me nearly $800 last August and that was after I shopped around a bit.

Not putting miles and wear-and-tear on the 4runner also saves me money.

Finally, there are non-financial reasons to have a DD. It lets you take time making modifications to your expo rig or working on it without having to button up all your work by Sunday evening so you can get to your job. It's also often convenient (for a number of reasons) to have a second vehicle available to you.

GHOSTFJ
02-23-2012, 06:59 PM
I DD my FJC 60 miles day. I figure I bought the vehicle to drive and enjoy, it would just look sad sitting in my driveway. I just like to have my rig with me where ever I may be, driving to and from work can be a adventure in itself.

jim65wagon
02-23-2012, 09:53 PM
I DD my FJC 60 miles day. I figure I bought the vehicle to drive and enjoy, it would just look sad sitting in my driveway. I just like to have my rig with me where ever I may be, driving to and from work can be a adventure in itself.

...and I don't know how my maintenance costs can get any cheaper. I mean, besides gas and fluid changes, the only expenses have been one timing belt, one set of ball joints and tie rods, and four sets of tires, and two sets of brakes. I've never owned a vehicle that was easier to maintain and was so easy on wear parts.

FLYFISHEXPERT
02-23-2012, 11:13 PM
I DD my '98 4Runner most of the year, 110 miles round trip, but I carpool and only have to drive 1/2 of the time. I also try to drive my wife's Forester when I can.

It is nice having one more vehicle than drivers. If I have either vehicle tore apart, I can always drive my '68 Chevelle! Wrenching on the others gives me an excuses to drive it.

jim65wagon
02-24-2012, 12:25 AM
I can always drive my '68 Chevelle! Wrenching on the others gives me an excuses to drive it.
not that it's pertinent to the thread. but I feel pictures of a classic 60's ride are necessary!

skrillah
02-24-2012, 12:44 AM
I daily drive my '04 tacoma, about 85-90 miles per day/ 4-500 miles per week. Its got around 106k miles on it. I too have been contemplating the idea of a second vehicle to drive like a Civic or Corolla. My burden becomes the idea that I still owe around $5-6k on it, which kind of puts a wrench in the second vehicle idea, for now at least. Hopefully, I'll have it paid off in the next year or two though. Then the burden becomes convincing my wife...

In regards to the Civic or Corolla idea, the other nice thing is honestly just the comfort factor. I love my truck but its no Cadillac and driving these kind of miles, driver fatigue can be a factor.

loup407
02-24-2012, 02:05 AM
My 2008 FJC is my daily driver. I've put 90,000 miles on it. I do own two sets of wheels and tires and use one set with winter tires 4 or 5 months of the year; saving my M/Ts for going offroad in warmer months. While the idea of driving something less expensive has some appeal; I just LIKE driving my truck.

TacoDell
02-24-2012, 04:04 AM
My '01 DD D'uh Woo... purchased back in '06 with 85K on the ODO

bought 'er for $1500. 'cause 'dere obsolete...
and 'dat scares off most peeps

basic liability Ins. coverage... 'cause it lives... 'till someone kills it

Yep... this isn't a set of bling wheels... and maybe even considered ugly by most
But it saves me money over driving my trail junk on a daily basis.


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Daewoo%20Nubira/daewoo04-1.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Daewoo%20Nubira/daewoo01.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Daewoo%20Nubira/daewoo09.jpg


It's been 100% reliable... 'cept the time it threw the timing belt and ate some valves... :oops:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Nubira%20broke%20timing%20belt/nubiraBV02.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Nubira%20broke%20timing%20belt/nubiraBV03.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Nubira%20broke%20timing%20belt/nubiraBV04.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/cbrRRman/Daewoo%20Nubira/bentvalves03.jpg

But I fixed 'er up...
Got lucky it didn't booger up the head...
sooo... $ 300. tossed into the 'Woo black hole... and with a little effort on my part...
...it's been pulling duty just fine since

I think owning a DD is really just an excuse for me, not to wash my other wheels :oops:
And even worse... allows me to waste more money on the the toy...
...even when it don't really need things (Hobby Disease I guess) :o

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z465/DellTaco00/Hankook%20Dynapro%20RT03%20MT%20295%2075%2016/HankookRT03295s8.jpg

^ yes I was bored :p

tanglefoot
02-24-2012, 05:30 PM
I used to DD the 4wd but I went with the separate DD route about 8 years ago. Since then, it just hasn't seemed practical to use a 4wd for transportation. Small front-wheel-drive cars are definitely my favorite things to drive...even in the snow.

My secondary DD used to be a '91 Integra 5-speed that I loved. It was a lot of fun, looked great inside and out and was cheap and easy to own. It could fit bicycles and lawnmowers inside with the hatchback design and was even a good snow car. It regularly got 37 mpg. I only did oil/filter changes in the time that I had it. It was an amazing combination of pulse-quickening and economy.

http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/Tanglefoot80/frontSmall.jpg

Whew--I get light-headed just lookin' at it.

A few years later, I sold it for a 2nd gen Prius hatchback for the low emissions and fuel consumption. After driving and owning a Pri', anything else seems archaic. It's just so well thought-out and the driving experience is great. It gets 55mpg in the winter and 62 mpg in the summer. It's also great for hauling bikes, dogs, etc.

These days I work from home and run most of my errands by bicycle, so the "DD" gets driven about once per week and the 4wd gets driven once every 1-2 months. While it makes no sense for me to own two vehicles with my current use, they've both been paid off for a while and are very easy to own. I figure I'll just keep them as long as possible and save by not replacing them.

xjaugie
02-24-2012, 07:59 PM
All great input and the same thoughts expressed are what has been going through my mind. I've gotten so used to having a seperate DD and find I miss having one, even it is just so I can run and get those parts I need to finish a project on the 4x4. Think I'll start looking soon.

Martinjmpr
02-24-2012, 08:50 PM
My only gripe with my DD is that I wish it was a wagon. Sadly, it's getting harder to find little wagons anymore, which is a shame because there isn't a more practical DD out there. Subaru still makes wagons but they're about the only ones making a small wagon.

If my DD was totaled I might seriously consider a 2002-2003 Protege 5 wagon. Neat little cars. Mazda still makes the Mazda 3 as a 4 door "hatchback" (which is really just a little wagon) so I guess that would be another possibility.

I do think Mazda is one of those brands that tends to get overlooked just because it's such a small-volume car compared to the giants like Toyota and Nissan.

Richie Rich
03-07-2012, 05:50 AM
My DD is a 96 2wd tacoma (5lug).

Advantages:
Gets 2x the gas mileage my 4x4 does.
All expo gear stays in the 4x4, all my work tools live in the Tacoma (no having to swap to use my 4x4), it is always ready to go.
Long wearing, much, much cheaper tires then the 4x4
Rides and drives a lot nicer then the 4x4
Fits nicely in urban environments *also fits in parking garages
Attracts less attention from "the man" then the 4x4
Portrays a clean, professional image to my clients (no muddy 4x4 in their driveway)
Easy to calculate mileage for tax purposes (I only drive the truck when working, stays parked after hours and on weekends).
Can take my 4x4 off the road for weeks/months if needed for repairs and mods.
If I break it, I only have to worry about getting it home, not how I am going to get to work on monday
Conversely, if the tacoma needs repairs, I can work out of the 4x4 if I have to.

I have run 2 trucks for the last 10 years, worth every penny to me.

xjaugie
03-07-2012, 12:05 PM
My DD is a 96 2wd tacoma (5lug).

Advantages:
Gets 2x the gas mileage my 4x4 does.
All expo gear stays in the 4x4, all my work tools live in the Tacoma (no having to swap to use my 4x4), it is always ready to go.
Long wearing, much, much cheaper tires then the 4x4
Rides and drives a lot nicer then the 4x4
Fits nicely in urban environments *also fits in parking garages
Attracts less attention from "the man" then the 4x4
Portrays a clean, professional image to my clients (no muddy 4x4 in their driveway)
Easy to calculate mileage for tax purposes (I only drive the truck when working, stays parked after hours and on weekends).
Can take my 4x4 off the road for weeks/months if needed for repairs and mods.
If I break it, I only have to worry about getting it home, not how I am going to get to work on monday
Conversely, if the tacoma needs repairs, I can work out of the 4x4 if I have to.

I have run 2 trucks for the last 10 years, worth every penny to me.

Very well put. And that is excactly what I had been doing for the last 20 years, I had the 4x4 for play and a 2x work truck. Only difference was that the company supplied the work truck. Now I gotta....

1911
03-07-2012, 02:29 PM
I drive my main expo truck every day, just because it's fun to drive and I enjoy it. Life is short and I try to enjoy the small things (like driving a 32-year-old truck) rather than worry about too many miles or fuel economy. I do have other vehicles to drive if need be or if passenger comfort were more of a priority.

skrillah
03-17-2012, 12:55 PM
I just picked up '94 Accord for $1000'bucks. Has somewhere between 175-200k miles (ODO was replaced). Runs like a top, new tires, etc. Needs a tune-up and a heater core but otherwise I'll drive it into the ground. For $1000...it should almost pay for itself in one summer with gas the way it is and driving 90 miles a day. Cheers

upcountry
03-17-2012, 02:11 PM
Not to sound like a purist or trying to one up anyone, but I daily drive my bicycle. Why:

1) it gets better gas mileage.
2)I suffered some medical setbacks at age 35 and decided to try to get in better shape.
3)it reminds me I'm alive still
4)its faster than driving on most days in the congested city I live in

Now if I had to carry tools or cargo for work it would be a no-go. But I don't.

Rain, snow, and wind suck.

It can be dangerous but its more fun that way.

Now, I don't bike all the time. I often use the bike to link together a series of busses to get where I'm going.

It takes a lot of planning and always carryjng a change of clothes sucks. Days I need to wear a jacket and tie to work require advanced planning.

I would highly suggest this as an alternative if you don't have to carry cargo and tools and if you live within 20 miles of your work. I live 15 miles from my work.

Truck stays parked for the most part.

Corey
03-17-2012, 02:14 PM
My FJ Cruiser is my daily driver.
I have a short commute, a little less than 30 miles round trip.

I average between 15.5 and 17 MPG combined city/freeway, so it is not that bad on fuel costs.