Nevada Trophy 2012 coming up soon

[Monterorider]

Done this twice. Going back for more! NVTR2012 Jun 22,23
http://www.offroadexperience.com/nvtr12info.htm

http://youtu.be/BJnpHH5gbFM
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[CMiller]

Looks like a blast! How long does it take to make the drive down there?

[Monterorider]

Figure 600 mils ~ 10 hours or so. Got to have low range.

[Monterorider]

Seriously I mean no offense. I know that Subys can do trick stuff. That's just what the rules are. If you are serious, contact the orgs they might bend them for you if you have team of 2 similar vehicles. I don't know. This even is not really about being toughest off-road. You would be OK for 80%-90% of stuff. Heck 50% can be done in a regular car with some care. But that remainder is where trouble lies. Some technical stuff, some long step ascends/descends is where low range really pays off. Provided weather cooperates. If it rains/snows it get really nasty quick.

[Monterorider]

Here is a good example of how "interesting" it gets with little snow melt.

http://youtu.be/hs-qVTOOtVE

[CMiller]

The good thing about most older Subies including mine is that it does have low range, locking center diff, limited slip rear diff with 11" of ground clearance. I think it will survive, not necessarily the best vehicle but that makes it more challenging and fun! Especially if one of these has never competed before! With the tires aired down a bit and picking a good line I can keep up with most trucks on nasty terrain. I just think the challenge would be fun to do this in a Subaru and surprise a lot of people.

[Monterorider]

You don't need to surprise anyone. You don't have to prove anything. Contact orgs. If they are ok with your rigs (you need team of 2 cars/4 people) join-in. It's about having fun you will have a blast. You won't regret it a bit. I ripped my shocks in half, blew my tire in 09, lost half of second day looking for parts - total blast. It's really different kind of adventure. You drive around and with albeit false but sense of purpose.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Here's a write up from 2009 when we competed. It was also the year Monterorider destroyed his shocks


http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/26482-2009-Nevada-Trophy-Report?highlight=nevada

It was a total blast.

[silvrzuki77]

Just to make sure im reading it right, i cannot enter myself/codriver and single vehicle. I need to have another two people and vehicle to make a team? All
vehicles have to be registered? Thanks want to make sure

[ReconH3]

I will never understand the need to limit tire size in these events. If there is a limit, it should be in accordance to the vehicle's level of preparation, and if it can handle that size. Too bad. I would have enjoyed participating in such an event. Especially because I already have overseas, and have been dying to see such events in the US.


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[Monterorider]

Just to make sure im reading it right, i cannot enter myself/codriver and single vehicle. I need to have another two people and vehicle to make a team? All
vehicles have to be registered? Thanks want to make sure

You need a team! That's just plain safety issue. Something happens you are alone outthere without cell coverage out of cb range. No one will hear you scream. One team had engine failure had to be towed out. It's really not big event they don't have any sweepers (couldn't really due to nature, you can go wherever you want). Finding lost vehicle would be nightmare. Anyway like I said earlier. Have issue, contact orgs. In 09 I entered by myself. I contacted org beforehand they were able to pair me up with somebody. Got to me befriend great pair of people.

[Monterorider]

I will never understand the need to limit tire size in these events. If there is a limit, it should be in accordance to the vehicle's level of preparation, and if it can handle that size. Too bad. I would have enjoyed participating in such an event. Especially because I already have overseas, and have been dying to see such events in the US.

You might notice H1s in those vids/pictures.
Or how about this one
http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1iRZcoQiCxU/TgiexOBabsI/AAAAAAAAG1k/YjILGXALoHw/s800/DSC00652.JPG
No way those are 35s nor are stock H1s. Ask and you'll be given. I think 35" limit was set to make sure people entering don't overtax their driveline. People are often tempted. Also having larger tires won't really give one particular advantage. This is not King of Hammers type event with major rock crawling. There are few obstacles but as I understand majority of the course is laid out using stock LR like Defender or Series and motorcycles. If it's dry you won't have any problems. If it get wet snowed in. It's all about traction. 24HOURSOFNEVADA team had major fun on Job Peak Pass. We drove up to it. Had another team stuck in front of us. Figured not worth loosing time. Backed out.

[ReconH3]

I agree that larger tires are not necessarily an advantage in these types of events. My beef is when you have a vehicle that is built around larger tires, you can't go down to 35" without running into issues. That's why they shouldn't limit. One of the Range Rovers we built runs Unimog axles. As you can imagine, the gearing is so low, that you can't run anything below 40's. As you pointed out with the pics, they probably are more open minded than their rules make them out to be. Thanks for the info.


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[silvrzuki77]

Recon looks like we need anotHer vehicle you in? Dont know if i have my new h3t by then or we will be thrashing a samurai.

[ReconH3]

Recon looks like we need anotHer vehicle you in? Dont know if i have my new h3t by then or we will be thrashing a samurai.

If I'm back in the US on time, I'd love to. The Suzuki will do just fine if you don't have the H3T. They are some of the most reliable 4x4s ever made, and very nimble. In these type of events, it's good to have vehicles that are completely different. No such thing as the perfect 4x4 for all terrains, therefore different vehicles make up for each others handicaps.


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[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

If I recall correctly the Hummers were allowed to run the courses, but not allowed to compete points wise for the actual Trophy due to their tire size.

I can't reiterate this enough, don't let your vehicle choice keep you from trying this. It was a great time.

[Monterorider]

They had full scoring applied to them, special task and points. I think they put in mixed effort so they didn't score particularly high. They'd gun it for awhile then stop, hang out, take pictures. They were there for fun. I think they were admitted on recognizance that 37" is OEM size tire.
They might be lenient on some things but can work you hard on others. Particularly everything must be attached securely. They gave me quite hard time last year my battery wasn't sufficiently attached. Fortunately rally was out of Fernly. They got Lowes, Walmart, even serveral auto parts stores. I was able to rig something up. Then of course luck would have it. My brakes disintegrated after first day. I was able to source parts right there we were only 1/2 hour late to start.

[ReconH3]

They might be lenient on some things but can work you hard on others. Particularly everything must be attached securely. They gave me quite hard time last year my battery wasn't sufficiently attached.

I learned way back to secure everything. The Aussies were very big on safety and very good at explaining why and how to. During the Rainforest Challenge in Malaysia I had a nasty roll but fortunately nothing happened because everything was secured. They don't put these things in the rules just for the fun of it. We were able to make it to the end of the event.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/CanaryLupo/Cars/rfc54.jpg


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[Monterorider]

NVTR is not quite as grueling as Rainforest Challenge but one can always get carried away. Rollover opportunities abound.

[ReconH3]

These are far more fun than the big events. There isn't the pressure or the extreme conditions. But events like RFC don't have the navigation part which is also quite challenging and takes practice. I will be getting in touch with the organization to see what they say with tire size. If its a no go, I don't think I'll be making a 2000+ mile trip just to play, and not be part of the competition. I can do that in NC with local groups.


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[Monterorider]

2000 miles. Wow didn't pay attention to your location. Long haul for 2 days event.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

They had full scoring applied to them, special task and points. I think they put in mixed effort so they didn't score particularly high. They'd gun it for awhile then stop, hang out, take pictures. They were there for fun. I think they were admitted on recognizance that 37" is OEM size tire.
They might be lenient on some things but can work you hard on others. Particularly everything must be attached securely. They gave me quite hard time last year my battery wasn't sufficiently attached. Fortunately rally was out of Fernly. They got Lowes, Walmart, even serveral auto parts stores. I was able to rig something up. Then of course luck would have it. My brakes disintegrated after first day. I was able to source parts right there we were only 1/2 hour late to start.


I know they were scored and allowed to run the entire event, but I was also present when M. Greene told someone that they signed up knowing that they could not win due to their tire size. The wagon was on 40"s as I recall. They were neat neat guys definitely having a fun time.

[silvrzuki77]

Recon, let me know what your plans are. Were not set in stone yet basically because of the second vehicle thing.

[ReconH3]

I would like to go but it doesn't seem viable since my vehicle doesn't come stock with 40" tires. There is also the problem that I may not be back in time from overseas. :( I will try to contact the organization and see what they say about tire size.


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[silvrzuki77]

I would think the would let you slide but who knows. We had access to core race truck but pesky registration and insurance!

[ReconH3]

I've sent them an email, so let's see what they reply. In the end, it's their event, and they will run it as they please. Chances are they will say no. They're a Land Rover/Camel Trophy crowd that believes in keeping vehicles stock. I have been part of the LR/CT crowd for years, and they tend to stick to their guns. Even if they do say yes, my biggest problem is if I'll be back in the US in time for the event. There is a bigger chance of making it for next year's event. By then you should have your H3T with the SAS done. :D

[cgalpha08]

Recon, your rig would decimate in this event!!

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[ReconH3]

Not if I don't have a good navigator. This type of event is more about navigation, strategy and good team mates. The vehicle is secondary. It just happens to be that it's my only vehicle in the US.


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[xpdishn]

Well, here is a dumb question, but where does one find the "Rules"? We looked all over their site and nothing. And does anyone know if it is full yet? We have e-mailed ORE about it though.

Gary

[ReconH3]

I found it from the link on the first post. It's not full. The organizer said if they didn't meet the minimum requirement for participants, they would cancel the whole event.


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[Monterorider]

Rules are somewhat indisbursed but majority of info is here: http://www.offroadexperience.com/vehiclepreparation.pdf Dominating it is a tricky. Especially for newcomers.
Teams that have done it before have advantage of knowing what to expect or just plain knowing terrain/roads/locations. Vehicle matters but not as much as in other races. This isn't really closed course race. You are on public roads all local laws apply. In 09 we had really unpleasant brush with local on aptly named Seven Devils Ranch.

[Monterorider]

It's not full no. if it's full it would make history on it's own. Usually there is shortage. From what I've heard so far there are enough entrants to make it happen. Good enough for me. You don't want crowds either.

[Monterorider]

Well the above was not correct. Usual case. Sound like they are again short on entries. Com-on those in doubt join in/pay up. You won't regret it for sure.

[rlwjaw]

My son and I are signed up and paid, we are looking for another team vehicle to run with us.
We drive an 89 Toyota Pu crawler.
We are good at navigation and think on our feet.
Dick & Dustin

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

My son and I are signed up and paid, we are looking for another team vehicle to run with us.
We drive an 89 Toyota Pu crawler.
We are good at navigation and think on our feet.
Dick & Dustin


A father son team... You guys are going to make some great memories together. You're going to have a blast.

[rlwjaw]

Yes and looking forward to meeting some great people too.

[rlwjaw]

a quick ps we are looking for another vehicle team to team up with. If interested get in touch.
Email rlwjaw@hotmail.com
Dick

[Redline]

Here's a write up from 2009 when we competed. It was also the year Monterorider destroyed his shocks


http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/26482-2009-Nevada-Trophy-Report?highlight=nevada

It was a total blast.


Glad you linked that thread... made me go back and read it.

What fun that was, I can hardly believe it was three years ago! When did we have the time for stuff like that? ;)

[eurosonic]

да интересно, надо бы сгонять:smiley_drive:

[Monterorider]

Not too late yet to join. Actually you've got to join to make this happen!

[ReconH3]

I would if I wasn't overseas. :(


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[Chief]

Come on people, you know that you've thought about going, now is the time to sign up.
send in your entry forms, it's great fun and you won't regret it. Guaranteed.

Bruno

[Chief]

Just spoke with the organizers and looks like we may not have enough entries to make it happen this year. Simply put, if they don't have at least 12 cars entered (they have 6 so far) by this Friday, May 24, they will scrubb the event.

So, for those who are thinking of going but have not commited yet, let them know ASAP, e-mail them and send in your entry forms.

http://www.offroadexperience.com/nvtr12info.htm

Cheers.

Bruno

[Monterorider]

That just sucks. C'mon people.

[Redline]

Team Nevada had a great time a few years ago, but I have to think our reasons for not participating are similar to others; time and money.

We are very close so our distance to travel to the Nevada Trophy was/is nothing. But even when fuel was less expensive a few years ago it wasn't a cheap weekend and lots of fuel was burned. At $4+ per gallon I've got to think the cost is a huge factor for most would be participants.

[rlwjaw]

We have been planning and SAVING for quite a while .
We will be there if not canceled.
It is a lot cheaper than a trip to Disney Land or Cancun.

[Chief]

NVTR is entertainment, and most any form of entertainment will cost you. As stated above, it's still cheaper than a weekend in Disneyland. I suppose it comes down to ones priorities.

It is highly unlikely that gas will be less expensive next year or the year after that. When the time comes that I can no longer afford to fuel my 4x4, it will be time to take up another hobby ...bird watching looks interesting.

Here is to hoping it's not cancelled.

[rlwjaw]

Entertainment in the challenge is our primary reason for competing. The challenge of our selves
and our rig in unfamiliar territory with man made challenges.
If someone cant go and wants to contribute to our cause , we accept paypal @rlwjaw@hotmail.com
Thanks
Dick & Dustin

[expoxj]

Wish I had the cash and the time off work. My vehicross is made for an event like this. Maybe next year.

[Redline]

snip... I suppose it comes down to ones priorities.
snip....

Exactly

[Monterorider]

Fuel always going to be an issue. It only matters how much you want to attend such event and we are not talking about trip into space or crossing Sahara desert. If you think of it owning expensive gas guzzling 4x4 to just pound pavement commuting to work makes even less scene.

[rlwjaw]

If all you do is drive your 4x4 back and forth to work and the mall you NEED this activity more than most.

[Monterorider]

Mee? I do yes. I was really looking forward for that 1300 mile round trip. Haven't done anything interesting lately. Although I usually drive my 2wd to mall, work or whatever. Last time I filled up my Power Wagon was in April.

[Chief]

We're gting off topic here just a little. Remember the point is the challenge of the event. There is none like it where an average Joe, in a otherwise basically stock 4X4, with minimal expenses can go out and have the fun NVTR gives in return.
Here in America wer'e very fortunate, just about any one can buy a 4X4, and most can follow behind 20 other vehicles along an established trail , it's quite another story to navigate over thousand square miles, finding hidden waypoints, essentially relaying on ones own abilites as well as your team mates to go out and get back. There in lies the challenge.

And yeah, Sorry if I don't subscribe to the "cost of gas" issue, Heck, I remember it was an issue when it was $1.80/gal, $1.50, or even $1.00 for that matter. After all, this is a 4X4 forum, and the basis of our mutual hobby is burning fuel in our 4X4's to go out into the wild. Or do I have it wrong?

Cheers,

Bruno

[Monterorider]

Nicely put Chief

[rlwjaw]

It is getting down to the wire. Who is going?

[Monterorider]

They "will be there" next year. Org's have had my check for couple months now. People you don't know what you are missing

[Monterorider]

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[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

All I can say is that if anybody is on the fence about attending or not, do it. You will have great memories for years to come.

[Monterorider]

Well, It's official. Cancelled. Bummer.
24HOURS you by some odd chance don't have the waypoints from 09. Do you. I didn't get to pick too many on that second day back then ;). May do my own personal Nevada Trophy. I've been itching to visit Jobs Peak. May not be as entertaining as you had it with snow. Still

[ReconH3]

What a shame. :( When events like this don't get supported, is exactly how they disappear. Then we wonder why there aren't any more being organized.


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[rlwjaw]

Are You sure it has been canceled? Registration is still up on the web site.

[Monterorider]

Yes. I've asked!

[rlwjaw]

That is too bad , we have made a lot of preparations for this.

[Monterorider]

Tell me about it. I'm considering going there on my own. Didn't get a chance to visit much on day 2 in 2009. I if manage to locate those waypoints

[mutt550]

I would have loved to have went but it is a long haul from here. Maybe once I get moved farther west...

[rlwjaw]

If it has been canceled why dont we have an e mail saying so?
How much longer are we going to have to hold our breath?

[Monterorider]

Oh man. There was actually a huge turnout. They are caching in our checks and are on the way to Mexico right now.
Just kidding. Remember it's just couple guys running the show. There are no less disappointed in undeserving lack of interest.

[Monterorider]

I've asked Mr Green to update their website and/or email everyone.

[rlwjaw]

untill I here from Mr Green I will plan on being there I want it to happen bad.

[Monterorider]

Me too. But it is what it is. If you don't hear from them I would advise to contact them personally ahead of heading out to Nevada.

[rlwjaw]

I wont go to Nevada without knowing where to go. Northern nevada is too vague.

[Chief]

Yes, it's been cancelled, sad to say.
I spoke with the organizer; Mr. Green at length today, there was some thought to move it to later in the year i.e. Sept or Oct, but with the low turn-out over the last few years this may be the end of NVTR.

I'm totally bummed.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Well, It's official. Cancelled. Bummer.
24HOURS you by some odd chance don't have the waypoints from 09. Do you. I didn't get to pick too many on that second day back then ;). May do my own personal Nevada Trophy. I've been itching to visit Jobs Peak. May not be as entertaining as you had it with snow. Still

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[Monterorider]

Well how about Nevada Trophy 2013? Anyone coming? I'll be there. http://www.offroadexperience.com/nvtr13info.htm
Just curious what would make this event more compelling for people to come? Harder off-road challenges, trophy style travel (camping on the trail)? Maybe we could communicate this to orgs if anyone has any suggestions.

[chaos616]

Hi,

Been on here a bit, not too much, just read about the rallye, really wanna join in. I would also need a co-team (2 people and a car). None of my co-workers would probably be up for it, but I will most certainly ask. We are already in Nevada, and already drive all over the place in this exact area, I think it would be a blast, an excuse to go out for a weekend.

Ohh, and camping on the trail would be my preferance, sleeping bag in the back of the truck!

I will probably end up signing up for 2013, interesting that there isn't more interest in this rallye, if I had known 2 years ago about it, there is no local advertising at all for it.

Cheers,